Chinese press: the West is taking various measures against Russia, but she always gives an unexpected answer

The United States and its allies fear a strengthening of Moscow and the loss of global control, so the West is taking a variety of measures against Russia. But she always gives an unexpected answer.

So chinese news The Paper portal commented on the statement of the head of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs Sergei Lavrov.

Washington is using all possible tools to put pressure on Moscow, mobilizing its allies to do the same. There is a feeling that it is striving for the Russian Federation to end its existence in the same way as the Soviet Union did. The Chinese press notes that instead of the expected confrontation, the United States and NATO are receiving a completely unexpected reaction from Moscow.

This was expressed in the words of the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry Sergei Lavrov. He, being a high-ranking official, said that, despite the unprecedented pressure from Western countries, Russia is ready to start a dialogue with them at any time. From the point of view of the Chinese edition, this sounded rather unexpected. And now, as they say, the ball is on Washington's side. Further we will see how the West will respond to such a move from Russia, the PRC press sums up.

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[Maki Avellevich]

beware of opponents giving compliments.

the crow lost the cheese in this way.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

While we are in the same boat ... We will see what will happen next.

[Cheshire]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

While we are in the same boat ... We will see what will happen next.

Not even close. Interests coincided temporarily, that's all.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I also speak about it.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

While we are in the same boat ... We will see what will happen next.

Moreover, this boat is no longer entirely ours.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Probably yes ... Is this a tragedy?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Is this a tragedy?

Yes. I think you yourself understand this.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

If you look far into the future - probably, but for now ... the first task to put the United States off the pedestal is too arrogant. And mind you, I'm not saying what to throw off, I say to besiege.

[ammunition]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

While we are in the same boat ... We will see what will happen next.

What kind of boat are we talking about? About the boat of the "collective west"? Yes! We are in the same boat with them .. Alas .. but the primordial interests of the Russian people categorically do not coincide with the interests of the "k. Z."
Or are you talking about China's "boat"? .. so we are not in the same boat with China! .. Although the strategic (centuries-old and objective) interests of China and greater Russia (the Russian Empire) either coincide .. or do not contradict each other. Over the centuries.
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There is only one strategic divergence with China. China is a pagan country with an ancient pagan culture. Russia is a country of Orthodox Truth.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

the crow lost the cheese in this way.

Russia under Lavrov lost Ukraine

[Dym71]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Russia under Lavrov lost Ukraine

Under Yeltsin

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Dym71

Quote: Thunderbolt

Russia under Lavrov lost Ukraine

Under Yeltsin

Dashing deevyanostye ,, just do not! When did Ragozin go crazy? This is a soft policy. Another soft policy, this is when Yanukovych / the grabber of foreign hats / sheltered, and in the Film about the WAY they allegedly saved and gave a cache. But in fact LAVROV showed flexibility later recognizing Potroshenko. Try not to admit when the temple is breathing Gazprom,

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Indeed, Lavrov showed flexibility

Flexibly and skillfully his son-in-law "Magnet" bought it, all the same the Armenian roots affect.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

What do you mean don't? Forget? Ashamed? This is your turd - eat it until you choke.

[Dym71]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Dashing deevyanostye ,, just do not!

Quote: Boris N. Yeltsin

"I woke up in the morning - think what you did for Ukraine"

As a result, the status of Crimea and Donbass, the Black Sea Fleet, gas transit have become a favorite topic of bargaining in absolutely any wishlist of the ukrovlast.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Under Yeltsin, there was only one good person who really thought about the country - Primakov, do you remember the U-turn over the Atlantic?

[Alex Justice]

Under Lenin, under the communists

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Hasn't Ukraine lost us? I can somehow manage without Ukraine ... But will it manage without us?

[BABAY22]

The Chukchi will also live without the Kemsky volost, this does not affect the health of his reindeer in any way.
But do his interests correlate with the interests of the Russian state ...

[Siberian54]

And the outskirts will cost 500,000,000, the EU market will grind everything, first labor reserves, then raw materials. The truth is no longer a high-tech country without us.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

And we have high technology at every corner

[Siberian54]

nikiforov \ We are in the top ten countries producing high-tech equipment .. No huhry-mukhry.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Siberia, listed at a glance the high-tech equipment that goes to Hurray in developed countries

[Siberian54]

"krasmash" ..... SU aircraft..Tanks of Omsk.aircraft of Irkutsk ... And in general we are about 15-20 million and we give zo% of taxes .. And due to low-processed goods, half of the country's GDP

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Well, let's start with the fact that all this is the legacy of the USSR, there is nothing new.Secondly, these are military products and it is very difficult to find a technological breakthrough here And I want to know about purely civilian promotion

[Siberian54]

For the time being all countries are manufacturers of complex technical equipment not only we produce models from the 20th century .. There are no wars with the destruction of the world economy up to 50% there are no fundamentally new products - the first world - mechanization of production and "motorization" of consumers, the second world - automation of production and "aircraftization" of the population, labor force within countries became mobile, which gave a jump in labor productivity ..

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Well, I agree on something. But there are a number of areas where we are critically lagging behind. Cosmos Is it the ideas, developed by Mark, this is the 20th century. And there are a number of other companies on the way. And nothing. One SU-57 and that one crashed Those that are now, with engines from SU35 Il 112.? You know Machine-tool industry, engine structure. Next List.? It's a shame

[Siberian54]

Cosmos disagrees about the critical lag, poverty and the consequences of the American embargo on launching devices with their equipment dictates a smaller number of launches .. Mask with its reusable systems, aiming where the step will fall, drove the landing pad along the water and unloaded on the dock of the cosmodrome (without a land transport We have land-based cosmodromes, therefore, the reusable system must be aimed at a fixed landing pad and transport the product from it along the ground ... completely different landing mathematics, other requirements for the design of the stage for transportation, another much higher fuel consumption ... Here is such a trampoline .. A flight to the moon is of course prestigious! BUT! we take the launch of an inhabited device for 1 unit of cost, then the maintenance of the station in the Earth's orbit is 1,000,000 units, the flight with landing on the lunar surface is 100,000,000 units, the organization and maintenance of a primitive (for another, there is no technology) base on the moon is already billions more expensive .. And about the planes - we are one of the five countries on the planet that manufactures our own advanced aircraft engines ..

[Sergey Averchenkov]

You have defined yourself ... Developed countries ... Ie. Am I not developed? Is your neighbor over the fence undeveloped? Think what you say.

[Stas157]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Hasn't Ukraine lost us?

And who has claims to superpower, Russia or Ukraine? That country has lost.

140 million is very little to be a significant player in geopolitics. And most importantly, the capacity of the domestic market is very small for the full development of production and import substitution.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

You know - no, it's not about superpower ... no and again no, it's about betrayal, at least that's how I see it from my couch, I thought we were the same ... I didn't distinguish us at all ... But you see how it comes out ... now I distinguish
Few of us you are right. But with Ukraine it would have been more.

[Siberian54]

Yes, the average geopolitical player is 300,000,000 consumers who create 80% of the basis of a self-sufficient state (China, IR, EU, USA, possibly Pakistan) -Russia does not shine on this list, and due to insufficient domestic demand and supply and partial isolation from the latest technologies, our state is doomed on technological degradation

[fruc]

I would clarify: Beggar Russia (in holy years) lost a rich (self-sufficient) Ukraine. As soon as hard times came for the Russian Federation, all "friends" quickly reoriented themselves. Draw conclusions, gentlemen, leaders of the country. And S. Lavrov has nothing to do with it.

[seregatara1969]

We haven't gone over to the counterattack yet. It was only defense

[Siberian54]

lMaki Avellievich \ With a nuclear power that has an almost tenfold advantage in the population (let's keep quiet about the economy, otherwise it becomes sour at heart), which has one of the longest borders with us, there is no need to play "opponents" with us - it's time to start full-fledged military, political and economic cooperation, otherwise accidentally spit in our direction and drown ...

[BABAY22]

the crow lost its cheese in this way

They say that thief ended badly.

[Woodman]

So what's the news?

[Flooding]

Quote: Lesovik

So what's the news?

sometimes all the news is in the headline
the rest is a set of letters

[Trapp1st]

So what's the news?

For so many years we have become accustomed to all kinds of surprises from the authorities, and they are surprised by this. We would have lived in Russia, then we understood ...

[Grandfather]

about 40 "our" officials, learned that the Americans blocked their accounts, and arrested real estate ... Sechin, Miller, Nightingale and others ... now they are banned from entering the United States. oh how.

[Woodman]

Quote: Dead Day

about 40 "our" officials, learned that the Americans blocked their accounts,

The news is positive, but where can I find out the details?

[NDR-791]

There is a feeling that it is striving for the Russian Federation to end its existence in the same way as the Soviet Union did.
Is it just now they have such sensations? It seems like the Chinese, not the Estonians. Or just meditated for the last 20 years and life floated by.

[pyagomail.com]

To speak according to the principle: "- by myself" is undignified for a great country. And to be emphatically peaceful, having a very good army and the possibility of "the whole world in dust" is very comme il faut.

[pyagomail.com]

[quote] [/ quote] "stupid - stupid himself": for some reason, the moderator does not miss some normal Russian words.

[dauria]

for some reason the moderator does not miss some normal Russian words.

I give the "fool - the fool himself" technology. Just replace part of the Cyrillic alphabet with similar Latin ones.

[prior]

"Washington uses every possible tool"

Specialists, what you say, know how to use all possible tools.
And we, crooked-handed people, did not hold any tools in our hands, we only know about concern ...
Maybe it's time to learn how to use the "tools"?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: prior

Maybe it's time to learn how to use the "tools"?

Late, learning begins in childhood, and they did not have it.

[Svarog]

The West is taking various measures against Russia, but she always gives an unexpected answer

Like that ..

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

And who is conducting these heartbreaking investigations? Crystal-clear, uncompromisingly decent people who can certainly be taken at their word?
No, I don’t argue, perhaps all this is true.
But who am I supposed to believe? Obvious hypo-firemen from the Internet or TV, who spud the naive in the 24/7 mode?
"A fool doesn’t need a knife,
You'll give him a little podoesh
And do whatever you want with him. "
Here are all these endless investigators and sing along and do what they want. Exactly the same liars as Solovyov's comrades.

[Svarog]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And who is conducting these heartbreaking investigations? Crystal-clear, uncompromisingly decent people who can certainly be taken at their word?

Who cares who? The main thing is that all this is our sad reality ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Svarog

Who cares who?

No, I'm interested in how you determine the accuracy of the information provided.
Tell me

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

No, I'm interested in how you determine the accuracy of the information provided.
Tell me

For example, I reliably determine (by looking in my passport) that my name is Yuri Vasilievich, and Sidor Amendopestovich (aka Flaviy Vespasianovich) is not a reliable name ...
Not so long ago, a certain gentleman declared publicly that another certain gentleman was in a coma consciously went abroad for treatment - is not a reliable fact ... Another judge brought charges against the person for criminal intentions (!!!) - is not a reliable fact ... The charge brought against NN Platoshkin in court. I do not consider it reliable, because his "criminal acts" are not stipulated by any article of the Criminal Procedure Code ... I do not consider reliable data on a person's ability to live on 12 rubles a month and at the same time live up to retirement age (no one has confirmed this) .. I think that Mrs. Matvienko's pension is not equal to 792 rubles (I have more), as she says - this is a reliable fact ...
There are many sources and documents to determine the true position. In rare cases, you can go to the place, touch the stones and find out that this palace was built by the hero of capitalist labor (he still builds there with a pickaxe and a spatula).
It is a fact that vaccination helps against coronavirus. Only I did not understand one thing, how several dozen patients ended up in the president's inner circle. I think this is a lie ...

[Knell wardenheart]

The issue of verification is the key issue of our entire civilization, hanging on some abstract things and "pictures" from different countries, in which the vast majority of the population has never been, and persons that the vast majority of the population has never seen and will never see live. If you are not at the crucible of events, you can always judge only by such "pictures" and your judgments will still in one way or another be based either on a "picture set" from different or similar sources, or supplemented by those directly contemplated by you "in reality ", with which you and your immediate family come into contact every day. In case of coincidence observed personally and repeatedly pictures and "pictures" - you conclude that you are most likely not being deceived. If there is no coincidence, then either your mind rejects the "picture" as inconsistent with your personal experience, which is closer, or if your personal experience is insignificant or you are inclined to suggestion, you accept the "picture" without critical perception. Most of the people, as far as I understand, have only the rudiments of critical thinking, as well as the habit, as a rule, not to compare what is observed personally and in the "picture" - believing that their outlook does not give them the right to engage in such a comparison, that somewhere "everything is better", where then "there is progress" well, or to the edge that "tomorrow everything will be with us." Especially dense rednecks still believe that all our failures are the intrigues of the imperialists.
So, to the question about the Reliability - I would answer you that the personal experience of everyone is very subjective, and just as it was difficult for a significant part of humanity to believe in the scale and intensity of the Nazi atrocities (and there are still deniers of this, or the US flight to the moon - also the question of "trust" or "distrust" of one or another source rests both on the scale of the picture, which consists of all these "pictures" and on the personal abilities of hmmm .. intellectual, of those who come into contact with third-party information. The earth is round, for example. These are features, let's say ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Svarog

The main thing is that all this is our sad reality ...

Greetings Volodya! Yes, reality is annoying. Today is the first day of the last turnout-dependent elections, and there is politically correct silence at VO.
In the meantime, "our" non-obliging authorities forced Apple and Google to block the Smart Voting application, with the wording of copyright infringement. By the way, the candidates proposed by "Smart Voting" are practically all from the Communist Party, not Navalnyat or Yablochniki.
An occasion to think.
P.S. With my submission, three people will go to the polls, who have never gone before. And all for the Communist Party (this is not agitation, but a statement of fact). We all go on the 19th.

[Trapp1st]

Today is the first day of the last turnout-dependent elections

Well, thank God, at least for all the past choices, the turnout influenced something) Are you a case of not a young man from Chukotka?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Trapp1st

You are not a young man from Chukotka?

How did you guess?

[Trapp1st]

How did you guess?

How can you not guess? Your naivety has long been a talk of the town.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Trapp1st

How can you not guess? Your naivety has long been a talk of the town.

If you believe some languages, then all the holy people sit in United Russia.

[Svarog]

Quote: Ingvar 72

P.S. With my submission, three people will go to the polls, who have never gone before. And all for the Communist Party (this is not agitation, but a statement of fact). We all go on the 19th.

Hi Igor! Yes, similarly .. but there will be 12 of us and also for the Communist Party ..
And all these flavias, eulampias ... these are guardians ... information staff ... it's useless with them))

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Svarog

Yes, the same ... but there will be 12 of us and also at the Communist Party ...

We have an application to the Regional Duma recommends the Socialist-Revolutionary Maryakhin. I know a little of this type, a rare city. Worse than him is only Volkov (according to Togliatti), the garbage king of the city and edros.
To the State Duma Kalashnikov from the Communist Party. A normal man, he used to be a master at a VAZ.

[fruc]

Yes, you see your reality is sad.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And who is conducting these heartbreaking investigations?

A refutation should begin not with stigmatizing the author, but with figures and facts.
On the facts in the vidos there is something to say? There, the geographical movements of specific individuals are documented.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

A refutation should begin not with stigmatizing the author, but with figures and facts.

I don’t believe the propagandists for a penny. Neither the Kremlin, nor the anti-Kremlin, none.
You can stamp as many figures, facts, whatever documents you want, and they will look very convincing.
Why don't you believe an investigation by Bellingcat, for example? They have facts, figures and documents there in abundance. Or "White Helmets" do not believe why?
Why don't you believe the investigations about Grudinin or Platoshkin? Few facts and documents?

I will ask you too.
How do you determine what is true and what is false? Why do you believe some "investigations", but not others?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Why don't you believe an investigation by Bellingcat, for example? They have facts, figures and documents there in abundance. Or "White Helmets" do not believe why?

Bellingcat's facts have not been refuted, unlike the White Helmets. Do you feel the difference, or is it still more profitable for you to shovel everything in a heap?

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Why don't you believe the investigations about Grudinin or Platoshkin? Few facts and documents?

The "facts" against Grudinin and Platoshkin were refuted by documents, and with the presentation of supporting documents. There is an examination in the Platoshkin case, in which the state (!) Expert did not find extremism in Platoshkin's words. But the court decided otherwise. Arbitrariness is evident.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And the Kremlin, or anti-Kremlin, none.

Yes, yes, of course I believe you! Any little bit of a seasoned VO member of the forum knows that you are a noble troll in the service of the authorities.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Any little bit of a seasoned VO member of the forum knows that you are a noble troll in the service of the authorities.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Why do you believe some "investigations", but not others?

"Who lied once, who will believe you?"

[askort154]

And now, as they say, the ball is on Washington's side.

In the USA, they begin to understand that their pack of mongrels running around the bear does not bring the desired result, they only provoke him. And in another glade, a dragon rises to its full height. Here, inevitably, the Anglo-Saxon head begins to split.

[tihonmarine]

And now, as they say, the ball is on Washington's side. Further we will see how the West will respond to such a move from Russia.

The only and unambiguous answer is "Russia is to blame."
They don't have enough brains for more.

[Trapp1st]

The only and unambiguous answer is "Russia is to blame." They don't have enough brains for more.

And in Russia, you often hear either the West, or the people are to blame, sometimes both))

[dzvero]

"Never fight the Russians. They will respond to every military trick of yours with unpredictable stupidity" (c) Otto von Bismarck

The Chinese should reread the classics.
PS The word "stupidity" in the maxim is essentially a recognition of one's own niskointelligence because they could not figure out how and where they came from ...

[Babermetis]

Quote: dzvero

"Never fight the Russians. They will respond to every military trick of yours with unpredictable stupidity" (c) Otto von Bismarck

The Chinese should reread the classics.
PS The word "stupidity" in the maxim is essentially a recognition of one's own niskointelligence because they could not figure out how and where they came from ...

Von Bismarck meant unpredictable stupidity. But in general it is curious to observe when two fools quarrel. And when their whole planet is scary.

[GAndr]

What can you talk about and negotiate with those who want your death, and at any cost? Their purpose is clear, what should you take off to negotiate? I have never understood this incomprehensible peace-loving diplomacy.
Maybe it's enough to chew snot and it's time to just send them all away and be guided ONLY by their own interests, without looking back at others at all?

[fruc]

S. Lavrov says everything correctly. We must smile and demonstrate peaceful diplomacy. But always keep your club ready.

[Sands Careers General]

He, being a high-ranking official, said that, despite the unprecedented pressure from Western countries, Russia is ready to start a dialogue with them at any time.

Subtle political trolling)))

[Kuzmitsky]

Well, firstly, not all the population of Russia is Russian, therefore we have a Federation, and not a unitary state such as Ukraine. Secondly, not everyone who wishes and promises intends to get married.

Kongress is closed on Fridays for stocktaking. And the language of Pushkin and Chapaev in our area is better understood than the language of Goethe and Bormann.

[Seld]

Quote: Kuzmitsky

Well, firstly, not all the population of Russia is Russian, therefore we have a Federation, and not a unitary state such as Ukraine. Secondly, not everyone who wishes and promises intends to get married.

Kongress is closed on Fridays for stocktaking. And the language of Pushkin and Chapaev in our area is better understood than the language of Goethe and Bormann.

I was taught for a long time like this (though, and I began to forget which one was):
Goethe's language is needed to establish normal relationships.
The language, as you have deigned to express, Bormann: you need to know excellently in order to be able to defeat the enemy.
Is it intelligible?
The language of Moliere and Pétain was taught in the same way.
About the same they were forced to comprehend the languages ​​of Shakespeare and Churchill, if you like.
And they taught me more. To be able to negotiate and win. Without any foolishness, hurray-patriotism was taught to win, leisurely and very thoughtfully.
Even though it was a long time ago. As if not already with me ...
And my German roots go back to one staff captain. Such titles were then ...