Diseases of a Soviet child

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My son! in your illness, do not be negligent, but pray to the Lord, and He will heal you.
Sirach 38: 9


This night light "with a cockerel", bought in Leningrad in 1961. They lit it whenever I got sick and I had insomnia. So then I always tried to shove it somewhere far away so that it would not remind me of these sad circumstances ... But it has survived to this day, however

History Soviet everyday life. This topic was suggested to me by one of the VO readers. And yes - indeed, the topic is very interesting. But at the same time time consuming and very, very extensive. Requiring significant volumes of photo-illustrative material. And it's not so easy to assemble. Therefore, to begin with, we will do much easier, namely this: I will just talk about what concerns me myself, and everyone who reads this will be able, in turn, to supplement the story with his own impressions. This will be our own story, from our distant Soviet childhood and its everyday life!

Now, when all of us, as never before, are concerned about the problem of our health, there is every reason to remember how children in the USSR were ill before. It is clear that the study of health problems in the Soviet Union draws on more than one doctoral dissertation and would require many years of research. But as mentioned above, all the material in this case is just my continuous memories. And now, remembering the past, I can say that I started to get sick ... very early. Even when our family lived in a wooden house, where there were only two living rooms: a large hall in which my grandmother slept on the sofa, and a small bedroom where my mother's bed was located, my crib, an old oval mahogany table on which stood a kerosene a lamp with a bulb in the style of Bernard Palissy and a glass container with a disgusting-looking kombucha, the tincture of which I needed to drink daily. Also in this room there was a large and also old wardrobe and ... that's it. Well, my grandfather even slept in a cubbyhole near the door in the vestibule, even though he was in charge of the city council during the war years and was awarded the Order of Lenin and the Badge of Honor. However, then on our street so many lived. And some still live like that.



And it was in this room that I fell ill for the first time when I was about five years old, no more, that is, somewhere in 1959. I got sick with a viral flu and everyone around me walked and repeated: "He has a viral flu!" So I remember it. All my childhood illnesses began the same way - high fever and vomiting, so I really did not like to get sick. What good is it when every now and then turns you inside out. The sunlight hurt my eyes, so the window was curtained and I had to lie in a semi-dark room.

They treated me with norsulfazole tablets. I could not swallow them, and they pushed them to me and gave them on a teaspoon with a slice of apple. The taste is disgusting! Even with an apple! And then my grandmother and my mother switched to herring. With a piece of herring, I still agreed to chew this muck.

The flu gradually turned into pneumonia. A nurse began to come to my house to give injections of penicillin. And it was ... very painful. So my mother and grandmother had to hold me, and I screamed like a cut. Well, that's how I was then a boy - "a delicate flower on a thin stem."

Periodically, my left leg ached very badly. "At least endure the saints!" I could start to get sick in the middle of the game (and then I had to urgently run home!), I could have lunch ... But I didn't even stutter about it to my family. I don’t know how anyone, but at that time (both in my family and in the families I know) there was a strict rule for children: they should not cause trouble for adults. That is, they should have been seen, but not heard. And God forbid to make adults bother about you. Fever sickness is a good case. And the same green snot, stretching from nose to lip, in our street and did not pay attention: "And so it will pass!" And then, after all, I was very afraid of injections and ... stoically endured pain, lying on the couch under a blanket - running, they say, and tired. And - thank God, no one paid attention to me.

Meanwhile, it was clearly neuralgia, a consequence of difficult childbirth, and just a few massage sessions were enough to fix everything. But ... who at that time gave the child a massage? It walks after all ... Now, if there was polio ... By the way, it was then that nurses from the polyclinic went to all the houses where the children were and gave them "peas" for this disease. So, fortunately, no one on the street got sick with this disease. But I saw children who had had it in Penza.

In 1961, my mother took me to Leningrad. We stopped at Obukhovskoy Oborony Avenue, at the apartment of our relative, General Konoplev, and ... after our "Penza hut" his three-room apartment with all the amenities made an amazing impression on me. The general himself lived in the summer at his dacha, so he invited us to his place. In the first three days we walked around the Hermitage, visited Petropavlovka, the house of Peter the Great, the Summer Palace, the Aurora, and then in the Summer Garden my mother treated me to breakfast of sandwiches with black caviar and ice cream with frozen strawberries. On the Nevsky in Petrovsky passage, I asked her to buy a night light in the form of a tower based on Pushkin's fairy tale about the golden cockerel. There was another one in the form of a Japanese pagoda, painted with golden bamboo shoots against a background of blue sky, white clouds and dragons, but my mother said: “Choose!”, And I, after thinking, chose “cockerel”. I didn't think then that I would need it that very night.

Because on the same night I started having “follicular sore throat”, and ... I had to do injections again and drink grape juice to support my heart. Mom alone could not cope with me and called my grandmother by telegram. So the two of them began to look after me. Due to the constant high temperature, I did not sleep at night, and this is where living in the general's house came in very handy. He had the entire Adventure Library of that time - books with a gold spine and embossed on the cover, and my mother began to read them to me. And she began with "The Mines of King Solomon." I remember that I almost died of fear, hearing about the witch Gagula, and how she left Allan Quartermain and his friends to die in the treasury behind the White Death, but still did not die. And then I recovered, and they began to take me for walks, and sometimes quite far from home. They did not bother me with strict morality, they scolded me for pranks and took me for a walk to the Summer Garden ...

After the sore throat, I was thin as a skeleton, and the neighbors, naturally, very kindly asked my grandmother: "Don't you feed him at all?"

And then I have to go to school, and in 1962 my mother took me to get healthier in the Crimea by the sea. In all respects, it was a remarkable trip. But the main thing is that in the fall I finally (from the age of eight) went to school and for some time I really did not get sick. And then, then sore throat again covered me. In the third grade I studied like this: a day at school, two (with a temperature) at home. Doctor Gorshkov, the luminary of the local throat surgery, said: "We need to remove the tonsils," and ... they tied me with a rope, like a mummy, and removed both the tonsils and the adenoids at the same time. So he cut me 35 minutes, although my mother (she also had them removed at one time) and promised me 15 oaths. Oh, how I got offended at her when I left the operating room.

However, after that I really did not get sore throat. However, the "light" touched my vocal cords, and since then I have two voices left in memory of my childhood - an ordinary male and a thin one. You can easily switch from one to the other. So a pranker, I think, I could make a great one too.

School means regular medical examinations, vaccinations. At this point I endured the injections, did not cry, and even laughed at those who cried. But what about - "push the falling!" But already in the first grade, at the examination at the dentist, it turned out that I had the wrong structure of the jaw and the bite. The lower teeth go beyond the upper ones, but vice versa. They sent me for a consultation to the city dental clinic, put on a plastic "mouth guard", and I had to eat, drink and talk with her. Inconveniently scary. But after two weeks she flew off.

In the second grade, everything was the same. Examination, diagnosis, referral and ... a new, only now metal prosthesis for the lower teeth. True, I, like Tom Sawyer with his cut finger (and a pulled out tooth!), Was lucky in this case. Now all the boys, both at school and on the street, asked me to show their "golden teeth". My jaw was straightened, but they warned me not to box. And, of course, even then I had to get acquainted with a Soviet drill with a pedal drive. The dentist shook him with his leg and at the same time drilled your tooth, and without anesthesia, anesthesia (novocaine) was done only when removed. To say that I didn't like it is to say nothing. And the word "bitches" was the most ... pronounced of all those that I then awarded my doctors. The women "zubikhi" (as we, the boys called the dentists then) were offended and reprimanded their grandmother: "The boy is from a decent family, but he swears like that ..." But what if I was in great pain?

I must say that we, the inhabitants of Proletarskaya Street, were very lucky that a former zemstvo doctor, Doctor Milushev, lived there. As soon as one of our children fell ill, mothers and grandmothers ran not to the clinic, but to him, and if only they found him at home, then he never refused anyone. He came with an old-fashioned bag, and always ... healed our children very well.

However, you will read about how exactly this happened next time. It has been proven that articles that are too large are usually poorly read!

To be continued ...
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  1. +22
    25 September 2021 04: 49
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, this is not an article, here you can write a book as thick as "war and peace" ..! moreover, each of us ...
    1. +13
      25 September 2021 06: 48
      So I have a children's medical card, just for the first volume in terms of the number of pages it will do!
      I once compared it with my son's card - four times thicker. Poor my mother was ...
      1. +18
        25 September 2021 08: 08
        Come on !? These are now the children's medical records compared to the Soviet ones - folios. We do not even remember that when we went to the hospital, except sometimes with the whole class for a medical examination ... Children had more health then than modern ones. Thanks to the author, he recalled about a happy childhood!
        1. +19
          25 September 2021 08: 24
          I have three children. What do the girls have to do with it. And they get sick much less than me and my brother. And I even know why. Vitamins, proper nutrition. A clear daily routine. In short, something that I did not have) Then just few people bothered with these questions.
          1. +19
            25 September 2021 09: 20
            I have three children.
            Wow, sincerely delighted, now you don't often see it from anyone!
            Then few people just bothered with these questions.
            Well, here I agree, I tore my legs and arms in blood, blew, spat, put the plantain and walk on!
            In short, something that I did not have
            I heard somewhere - "It doesn't matter what kind of childhood you had, the main thing is what kind of childhood you will give your children! I wish you health and happiness to your family - both children and adults!
            1. +11
              25 September 2021 10: 29
              Well, my surroundings either have no children at all or two or three) We keep the balance) As for the spit and plantain, they are girls) You are constantly shaking over them) my childhood was excellent. It's just different and shorter) Clap and you are in the SVU) The same women's council is more difficult to fuse) And somehow I don't really want to)
          2. +9
            25 September 2021 09: 36
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I have three children. What do the girls have to do with it. And they get sick much less than me and my brother. And I even know why. Vitamins, proper nutrition. A clear daily routine. In short, something that I did not have) Then just few people bothered with these questions.

            Clothes are washed regularly, showers / bathrooms are constantly taken, the expiration dates of food in food stores and public catering plus or minus are observed. At the age of eleven, I became very ill, grazing caviar in a cafe.
            1. +9
              25 September 2021 10: 37
              Exactly. Even allergens can now be removed practically from birth. Identify almost all risks. And of course sports. My entire wardrobe is littered with rollers, skates, etc.)))) My wife is also for all the good) bicycles, scooters, boards)
              1. +6
                25 September 2021 12: 16
                Sport was also under the Union. ))
                Oh ... I've already broken these scooters ... I'm fed up am
                1. +7
                  25 September 2021 12: 53
                  But who argues that it was) It's just so diverse that I will soon open a store selling used inventory) these are ladies) what tomorrow they will want to do, I'm even afraid to imagine) and how much it will cost me) the youngest is still small at least) It's just that she loves daddy )
                  1. +1
                    25 September 2021 16: 07
                    I sold two-thirds with Avito, so that my loved one would not give it to my other half for free, as always laughing
            2. +2
              26 September 2021 17: 34
              They simply do not face infection, I do not even know which is worse ... A child tastes the world, being sick. This is a very complex category of medicine, we understand little about prevention.
              1. +2
                26 September 2021 22: 35
                Are you talking about the development of immunity? Now everything is more correct - no one faints from crawling children on the sidewalk, sitting on the asphalt, etc.
          3. +5
            25 September 2021 17: 28
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I have three children. What do the girls have to do with it. And they get sick much less than me and my brother. And I even know why. Vitamins, proper nutrition. A clear daily routine. In short, something that I did not have) Then just few people bothered with these questions.

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        2. +12
          25 September 2021 08: 41
          Everything turned out sadder for me than for my children - I was born in the winter in the Arctic. And he turned out to be a "southern" child. For the first two years, continuous bronchitis and pneumonia. In the 4th grade myopia began - it also added pages. Well, the rest, like everyone else.
          It ended twelve years ago when the tonsils were removed.
          And their son was removed at the age of 11. He also stopped hurting.
          1. +14
            25 September 2021 09: 28
            And in the Arctic, as I understand it, my parents came from warm regions? Of course, I am not a doctor, but I think that this is due to a change in conditions. Here, for example, the seas nearest to it are thousands of miles away, so I served when, then the slightest scratch ( Pardonne-moi for the details) festered and healed for a long time, and for the locals, at least henna.
            Childhood is when you think that you are an adult already, and adults think that you are a child. And all at the same time are fundamentally mistaken. (A. Nekrasov)
            1. +8
              25 September 2021 09: 43
              Father from the Southwest of Ukraine. Mom - Yaroslavl region. But I'm more of a father laughing
              By the way, in 2002-2003 he worked in Kara Kum. And I felt normal even at +50!)))

              PS As I understand it, those for whom the word woke up Ukrainelike a red rag? Minus slapped not for the place of birth?
              1. +1
                26 September 2021 16: 50
                Where is your father from? I myself, too, was born in Bessarabia, more precisely in the glorious city of Izmail. Sores in childhood - yes, like most. Basically - bruises and bruises. Well, bruises from time to time - guys - you know winked
                1. +1
                  26 September 2021 17: 23
                  Don't ... He's closer to the center. Fastov, Kiev region. By the way, I don't know why, but for some reason they call it the Southwest. Probably because of the railway)))
                  But in comparison with the Arctic - a resort in general!
                  1. +2
                    26 September 2021 17: 55
                    It is for sure - in comparison with the Arctic - that the Cote d'Azur laughing
            2. +11
              25 September 2021 10: 16
              therefore, when I served, then the slightest scratch (Pardonne-moi for details) festered and healed for a long time, and at least henna for the locals.
              recalled))) Also in training when I was (Vladivostok, Okeanskaya station) so the people who from the west suffered from this. Especially from Central Asia. some could be filmed in horror films. Without makeup)))
          2. +11
            25 September 2021 09: 39
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Everything turned out sadder for me than for my children - I was born in the winter in the Arctic. And he turned out to be a "southern" child. For the first two years, continuous bronchitis and pneumonia. In the 4th grade myopia began - it also added pages. Well, the rest, like everyone else.
            It ended twelve years ago when the tonsils were removed.
            And their son was removed at the age of 11. He also stopped hurting.

            I was often ill in childhood, I had one pneumonia eight times, the tonsils and adenoids were removed at the age of six, after which I almost died of sore throat, I still remember how painful it was to swallow and how high the temperature was, then they diagnosed bronchial asthma and, accordingly, registration at the pediatrician. With a scandal and hysterics, I jumped out of this register in the 7m class, when I had to get into the karting circle in the palace of pioneers, but with asthma they did not take it. Sulfadimethoxin tablets, various antibiotics, which you cannot find now because of their cheapness, have forever sunk into my memory.
      2. +9
        25 September 2021 10: 13
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Poor my mother was ...

        we were twins and all inf. diseases and related problems immediately multiplied strictly by two ...
        Grandmother is a wise saintly person - she took care of / taught both grandchildren and great-grandchildren - until the end of school ...

        former zemstvo doctor Dr. Milushev lived

        it is interesting that absolutely officially, for money, in our city a private, pre-religious doctor, Litvak, practiced and took it dearly. How this was possible, I don't know ...

        But then other doctors gazed at his conclusions and prescriptions with a breath: "Oh, Litvak himself!"
        1. 0
          29 September 2021 18: 47
          Quote: Olgovich

          it is interesting that absolutely officially, for money, in our city a private, pre-religious doctor, Litvak, practiced and took it dearly.

          Well, private dentists and moreover, prosthetists (and this is gold! Then) were completely legal and worked legally
      3. +3
        26 September 2021 16: 52
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I once compared it with my son's card - four times thicker. Poor my mother was ...

        are you thicker?
        I have the opposite: from grade 5 (went to sports) to graduation = not a single record for illness (not counting a tick bite and blood poisoning from punctured feet with rusty nails)
        1. +2
          26 September 2021 17: 26
          I have ... If I'm not mistaken, 12 pneumonia, of which two are bilateral. Last grade in sixth or seventh. And bronchitis and tonsillitis .... So, they were considered small things. There was always a supply of pills and antibiotics at home.
          1. +3
            26 September 2021 21: 52
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            If I'm not mistaken, 12 pneumonia,

            .
            How did you covid survive?
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            There was always a supply of pills and antibiotics at home.

            my little brother seems to be, but thinner.
            (3 pneumonia) mom and doctors with Rh negative nurses screwed up).
            Death and dryness up to grade 9.
            Now at 49 years old, 1,97 m / 115 kg. with pull-ups - drishch (maybe 1?)
            but does not get sick (the covid really did not pass), does not drink, does not smoke, in winter EVERY day on skis from 5 km. I overtake him essno, but every day I can’t - sad, zadolbalo for 5 years. But he drags on.
            Buy skis and go
            1. +2
              26 September 2021 23: 01
              Identified in time. Yes, and my form was easy. In five days they were cured.
              By the way, I have never tried smoking. Generally.
      4. +2
        26 September 2021 21: 07
        Here Olegovich knows how to be nostalgic beautifully! Once again I give him his due good hi we are waiting for the continuation .....
    2. +3
      25 September 2021 17: 29
      Quote: Dead Day
      moreover, each of us ...

      You see how interesting ...
  2. +8
    25 September 2021 05: 09
    Thank you, Vyacheslav, for the memories from your childhood and about the zemstvo doctor, and about the Summer Garden, and about ...
    It is clear that research on health problems in the Soviet Union pulls more than one doctoral dissertation and would require many years of research.

    Health problems in the Soviet Union it was not, because health care itself existed, albeit in a not very attractive form. There were a number of problems in the health care system itself. I can even tell you the main reason - lack of funding: a lot of "money" was spent on arms and the social sphere in the form of building schools, kindergartens, health resorts in Crimea, palaces for pioneers, there were also problems with public transport, retail outlets and many others. But I remember these "triplets", "analgins", "amidopyrins", norsulfazoles and other penny pills, for which I had to run to almost the only pharmacy in the area. And there were repeated vaccinations. And there were no doctors and first-aid posts in the villages.
    But these were objective problems. By the way, the qualifications of doctors were quite high, which in some way compensated for the lack of instruments and the rarity of drugs. Do you remember in the movie "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears" the professor's uncle tells his niece that he has agreed on medications for her mother? There was something to be honest about. But, this is only because our pharmaceutical industry did not produce them. Have you found pharmacists in pharmacies who made prescription drugs? There was a prescription department where different drugs were mixed.
    My aunt died due to the lack of an ambulance in the village (a one-to-one case, as in the movie "The President"). My uncle was more fortunate: he caught bilateral pneumonia and was in the regional hospital (a neighbor brought him in his car). "Follicular tonsillitis" with a temperature of 39,8 did not pass me by, but already in adulthood. Seven days later I was discharged (for playing preference).
    hi
    1. +4
      25 September 2021 05: 20
      There were no health problems in the Soviet Union

      There were a number of problems in the health care system itself.

      You either put on your panties or take off the cross, otherwise you look completely stupid.
      1. +3
        25 September 2021 05: 24
        Quote: Tomic_1987
        You either put on your panties or take off the cross, otherwise you look completely stupid.

        And you either learn the syntax, or define yourself in phrases: "health problem" and "health problems" ...
        1. +5
          25 September 2021 05: 30
          It is the same.
    2. +6
      25 September 2021 06: 14
      Oh well. The problem was that this industry has now gone a long way. You say there was no ambulance. Yes, the medical staff WAS - the standards were strictly observed there, if the doctor was appointed according to the standard, but he was not - for this the entire administration could sit down, and the medical leadership would definitely sit down. There were no CARS. So there were almost none in the country.
      As for pharmaceuticals, I can PROVE with examples that in the late USSR it was better than in Germany, where Baer produced ultrapure aspirin, which guaranteed gastritis, because ultrapure - and by the way, they knew about it in Baer - but continued to produce ... because with the word super-pure, they buy better. And even more so pharmaceuticals in the United States, where only drugs and know how to make. And because of one device for the treatment of coronary artery disease, more Americans died than in the Korean War!
    3. +5
      25 September 2021 06: 24
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Have you found pharmacists in pharmacies who made prescription drugs? There was a prescription department where different drugs were mixed.

      I did, of course. We often ordered medicines there.
      1. +5
        25 September 2021 08: 37
        Quote: kalibr
        I did, of course. We often ordered medicines there.

        And also medicinal herbs were handed over to the pharmacy. There was enough for the cinema and for soda.
        1. +2
          25 September 2021 10: 41
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: kalibr
          I did, of course. We often ordered medicines there.

          And also medicinal herbs were handed over to the pharmacy. There was enough for the cinema and for soda.

          We tried to collect the rose hips once. laughing Scratched hands, five kopecks for a brother
          1. +6
            25 September 2021 13: 59
            We most often collected tansy and mountain ash, lingonberry, St. John's wort, sometimes nettle, plantain, birch leaf. Pine buds were highly valued, but collecting them was long and sticky)).
            For half a day of collecting lingonberry, as I remember, the younger schoolchildren could gain a kilogram, the older ones - 2-3 kg. ... A kilogram of lingonberry was worth one ruble! At that time, for a student - a whole wealth!
            But the most profitable of course was the collection of leeches. Their pharmacies took a ruble for a bottle of milk. We caught them in abandoned peat ponds, which were numerous outside the village. True, pharmacists rejected half of the collection. The funny thing is that later in the pharmacy these leeches were sold under the name - "medical leeches" for 5 kopecks. a piecesmile
            1. +2
              25 September 2021 16: 09
              And how many leeches were dragged into the bottle?
              1. +2
                25 September 2021 16: 31
                Albert hi
                I don't remember such subtleties - half a century has passed. I remember that when they received them at the pharmacy, they scrapped out of five or six of our cans into only one bottle. smile
                1. +2
                  25 September 2021 18: 36
                  I'm trying to calculate the profits of pharmacies))
                  1. +2
                    25 September 2021 19: 10
                    Useless laughing
                    As far as I know, they planted leeches they bought from us in aquariums for breeding, at least - leeches were sold in pharmacies all year round.
                    1. +1
                      25 September 2021 19: 41
                      Surprisingly reasonable laughing
        2. +6
          25 September 2021 15: 49
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: kalibr
          I did, of course. We often ordered medicines there.

          And also medicinal herbs were handed over to the pharmacy. There was enough for the cinema and for soda.

          And we caught tarantulas. For some reason, they decided that they needed poison for medicine. And they dragged about ten in a half-liter jar to the pharmacy (where they already handed in chamomile and St. John's wort). Shrieks, screams, screams. We were lucky that a classmate's mother was in charge of the pharmacy! They let go in peace .. lol
        3. +1
          26 September 2021 17: 59
          And the leeches went to the pharmacy with a bang! True, not everyone was taken - but the price was higher, so ice cream went to the movies and to the soda. wink
      2. +5
        25 September 2021 10: 17
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Have you found pharmacists in pharmacies who made prescription drugs? There was a prescription department where different drugs were mixed.

        I did, of course. We often ordered medicines there.

        Yes, I remember in the pharmacy they were packed in paper bags, sulfadimezin seems to be
    4. +4
      25 September 2021 09: 41
      By the way, the qualifications of doctors were quite high, which in some way compensated for the lack of instruments and the rarity of drugs.

      It was high among therapists, vascular surgeons and traumatologists. The rest - so be it
    5. +2
      25 September 2021 12: 16
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Do you remember in the movie "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears" the professor's uncle tells his niece that he has agreed on medications for her mother?

      we also remember how: in 1985, the son got into intensive care, the doctors are excellent, but there were no necessary drugs, but the question was ...
      ... They just wrote them on a piece of paper and warned that they were nowhere to be found. We went through all the circles of hell: all the pharmacies, hospitals in the area, etc., turned on all possible cronyism, and only then, from one acquaintance to another, higher, from that-even higher and still-finally, we got to the holy of holies - pharmacy warehouses LECHSANUPRA and there, for wild money (which was no longer important), they got medicines ...
      1. 0
        25 September 2021 17: 21
        Quote: Olgovich
        there, for wild money (which was no longer important), they got medicines ...

        Ha! In 1977, after an operation, I needed a Hungarian medicine. And since in our student group my friend's mother was the director of the largest pharmacy in Penza, I got it for some ... ridiculous money. But ... NO ONE GOT it just like that! A very welfare state. Thug?
        1. -3
          25 September 2021 19: 42
          Quote: kalibr
          Ha! To me in 1977 after surgery

          Quote: Olgovich
          we also remember how: in 1985 the son got into intensive care


          But you are like twins, and you have the same problems. And always, and in everything, the Soviet government is to blame.
          Unfortunately, I cannot argue, since I did not have such problems. After the hospital. I got to the hospital (infirmary) in 1972. on the KMB (rubbed his leg.). I do not regret, I was released to the oath (I missed a pleasant pastime on a raincoat (at 30 degrees. heat). And the next groove hit in January this (2021). Cataract, I spent a day after the operation in the hospital (15 min.). And what are the problems now when the son is a doctor.
        2. -2
          26 September 2021 08: 12
          Quote: kalibr
          And since in our student group my friend's mother was the director of the largest pharmacy in Penza, I got it for some ... ridiculous money.

          I got to the tops of ordinary pharmacies and their warehouses - there were no necessary medicines

          They ended up only in the only self-most thug special pharmacy Central Committee and Council of Ministers (I went to the Council of Ministers): these guys did not offend themselves and kept up with world medicine.

          The same, by the way, applied to their special hospital - it was heaven and earth compared to an ordinary hospital - both in equipment and in operations and care.
  3. +18
    25 September 2021 05: 18
    By the end of the 10s, the USSR was in the top 70 countries of the world in terms of AOI, and now it is not included in the top 100 either. It would be convincing not to report on the suffering of a Soviet child and not to profoundly hint to the public that it was because he was "Soviet" - but to compare the share of the state. budget, which went to health care then and now. The model of the health care system in the USSR is that of Dr. Semashko, not that of the economist Golikova. In my opinion there is a difference. And you pay! Pay more and you will be happy!

    The experience of building the Semashko system was carefully studied and used in the design of a similar Beveridge system adopted in the UK and some other countries. Many developed countries of the world - Sweden, Ireland, Great Britain, Denmark, Italy and others - have created their own budgetary health care systems, relying on the experience of the Semashko system created in the USSR. The Semashko system became the first experience in creating a unified nationwide system of medical support, and as part of its construction, the world's first ministry of health was created. After the destruction of the world socialist system and the collapse of the USSR, the national health care models of the new states were reformed towards a decrease in centralization and an increase in the share of paid services.
    1. +5
      25 September 2021 05: 32
      Quote: ivan2022
      The model of the health care system in the USSR is that of Dr. Semashko, not that of the economist Golikova. In my opinion there is a difference. And you pay! Pay more and you will be happy!

      I am always enraged by the cynicism of the authorities, which recommends that parents either wait for domestic medicines for the treatment of SMA (spinal muscular atrophy) to appear in Russia, or they propose to collect (have time to collect) 150 sms ...
      1. +8
        25 September 2021 05: 47
        Quote: ROSS 42
        I am always enraged by the cynicism of the authorities, which recommends that parents either wait for domestic medicines for the treatment of SMA (spinal muscular atrophy) to appear in Russia, or they propose to collect (have time to collect) 150 sms ...

        I want to upset you. Even if such a medicine is invented and produced in Russia, it will not be much cheaper.
        1. +7
          25 September 2021 06: 00
          Quote: Tomic_1987
          I want to upset you. Even if such a medicine is invented and produced in Russia, it will not be much cheaper.

          No need to upset me, because I am not talking about how much the medicine costs, but about how the social state is supposed to solve such problems. I think that the 500 rubles that annually go to cover the budget deficit in the capital will be more than enough to provide treatment for all Russian children.
          hi
          1. +12
            25 September 2021 06: 02
            And where did you get the idea that the Russian Federation is a welfare state? As for me, the welfare state in Russia ended 30 years ago.
            1. +4
              25 September 2021 06: 22
              Well, they themselves chose the capstroy. A socially oriented state does not take money for medicine out of thin air. If the medicine is NECESSARY and it costs 150 rubles, then 000 rubles will be paid for it. With kapstroy - YOU. And under the socialist system - including me - 000% taxes, as in Scandinavia. And then they are surprised - there were no cars in the USSR! Money for cars - went to that very medicine. Pioneer camps? Sanatoriums? So the sanatorium is a MEDICAL institution. For example, for tuberculosis patients. The same medicine. And the pioneer camp is also related to medicine - physical development and socialization
              1. 0
                25 September 2021 06: 26
                It would be necessary to find out how with drugs for smut in the best socialist country in the world - North Korea.
                1. +4
                  25 September 2021 06: 44
                  Better find out why in the USA the test for COVID is 4000 green, and doctors instead of dressing gowns put on garbage bags. And there is no ambulance at all - there is a paid taxi with a couple of loaders without even basic medical education. This is capitalism, baby. And there are medications for SMA - but not about your honor
                  1. +1
                    25 September 2021 06: 50
                    Where would you live, in North Korea or the United States?
                    1. +5
                      25 September 2021 06: 55
                      Believe it or not, there are such inventions - the mass media and in general - the means of communication. It was in the Stone Age that they did not know what was going on in the neighboring cave. I'm not asking you - did you ever live in the USSR? That to me personally is doubtful. And what is absolutely certain - you are no sideways to medicine - it can be seen a mile away. But I - yes. Shall we continue? Will lose
                      1. +1
                        25 September 2021 06: 58
                        And what do the means of communication say about the medical care of the Juche people?
                  2. +4
                    25 September 2021 06: 55
                    COVID Diagnostic Test - $ 150
                    Your provider will also instruct you if you should quarantine or isolate. Don't have a PCP? Call the New York state COVID-19 Hotline: 1-888-364-3065.
                    https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/patients-families/bill-pay/cost-estimates-and-pricing/covid-19-related-testing-charges.aspx#:~:text=COVID%20Diagnostic%20Test%20%2D%20%24150&text=Your%20provider%20will%20also%20instruct,medically%20necessary%20for%20your%20care.

                    Oh, how awkward it turned out, right?
                    And on TV they say that 4000. Someone is lying.
                    1. +1
                      25 September 2021 06: 58
                      Come on, I'll guess at once who?
                      1. +2
                        25 September 2021 07: 03
                        Ukrainians, Americans, or maybe Jews?
                      2. +1
                        25 September 2021 20: 53
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Come on, I'll guess at once who?

                        A certain author in one article confused the test for antibodies and antigen (is it?), While this was almost the most important in that work. What to ask the commentators ?!
                    2. +2
                      25 September 2021 06: 58
                      The tripods themselves laid out the checks. And here - only a test without payment for "outpatient clinic rent" - the service is paid. A chair in the hallway where you are waiting in line. And taking the test itself - the price was drawn on the cost of the drug itself - the test. Ah, well, well, and the price of a taxi is equal to the cost of gasoline, I believe.
                      1. +2
                        25 September 2021 07: 02
                        I laid out a fact for you and you told me your fantasies.
                2. +1
                  25 September 2021 12: 22
                  Quote: Tomic_1987
                  It would be necessary to find out how with drugs for smut in the best socialist country in the world - North Korea.

                  They just don't envy anyone laughing
              2. +1
                25 September 2021 06: 56
                Quote: Cowbra
                Well, they themselves chose the capstroy.

                Lies. I have no idea who you are talking about. Hopefully, not about those 113 citizens (512% of the population) who voted for the preservation of the USSR on March 812, 77,85? Probably about that EBN-VVP team, which is trying hard to convince that "it can't be better"? So I'll tell you this:
                1. +5
                  25 September 2021 07: 01
                  No, about those who in 1991 raged in the streets, near the White House and on the Arbat - you did not notice them? And who then happily banned the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in the country - have you forgotten that? And so yes, a lie, a lie! One EBN was, and we have nothing to do with it, eating matzo, playing with the ball. Who suffered there for 60 varieties of sausage?
                  1. +1
                    25 September 2021 07: 07
                    Quote: Cowbra
                    No, about those who in 1991 raged in the streets, near the White House and on the Arbat - you did not notice them?

                    At that time, I did not even have a TV set and I was going through the VVK for dismissal from the Armed Forces.
                    Do not try to attribute to me what I did not do. Do not voice your wet dreams and cherished "wishes". I have never suffered from gluttony, because I believe:
                    One must eat to live, not live to eat.
                    1. -1
                      2 October 2021 11: 12
                      And the better on Apbat set fire, pouring out a bucket of gasoline from the bridge - just demobilized
            2. +1
              25 September 2021 07: 16
              Quote: Tomic_1987
              And where did you get the idea that the Russian Federation is a welfare state?

              Because in Russia MORE (!!!) there are social benefits, pensions, payments for children, benefits for pensioners and so on ...
              Quote: Tomic_1987
              As for me, the welfare state on the territory of Russia ended 30 years ago....

              ... began to wither away ... Yes
              1. Fat
                +3
                25 September 2021 09: 50
                Quote: ROSS 42
                Because in Russia MORE (!!!) there are social benefits, pensions, payments for children, benefits for pensioners and so on ...

                hi Yuri Vasilievich. Medicine - insurance, Pension - insurance.
                The state receives income from VAT, income tax, licenses.
                And, of course, state participation in the capital of the monopolies. It's nice that the state shares its excess profits with the most vulnerable citizens ... Probably this is the "social" state, it should be so, it only goes with a "creak". Yes
                As for the late socialist Union ... so there was one monopolist - the state. None of the ordinary working citizens have ever decided or even knew how the "people's money" was spent; they trusted the "chosen ones"
                What changed? Lies and suppression have now become less, cynicism - more ...
                1. +3
                  25 September 2021 10: 29
                  Quote: Thick
                  What changed? Lies and suppression have now become less, cynicism - more ...

                  hi Andrey Borisovich! Only the complete "hero of Dostoevsky's novel" will begin to seek out the advantages and disadvantages of this or that economic formation with the scrupulousness of a watchmaker. And exactly the same specialist will begin to give examples of the advantages of capitalism over socialism, illustrating the variety of consumer goods of one and the scarcity of choice for the other.
                  The deliberate mistake here is that the opportunities for mass consumption of some are provided by minimizing opportunities and reducing the rights of others:
                  How much can you eat each other? What increase in livestock can we talk about when fertility of some due to contamination of others?!

                  1. Fat
                    0
                    25 September 2021 11: 03
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    An intentional mistake here is

                    In no country in the world, except for the USSR and the PRC under Mao, no one has ever fought with the diversified economy ... As for the Union, which proclaimed in the 1977 constitution
                    Chapter 2. Economic system
                    Article 10. The basis of the economic system of the USSR is
                    socialist ownership of the means of production in the form
                    state (nationwide) and collective-farm cooperative
                    property.
                    Socialist property is also property
                    trade union and other public organizations necessary for them to
                    implementation of statutory tasks.
                    The state protects socialist property and
                    creates conditions for its increase.
                    No one has the right to use socialist property
                    for personal gain and other selfish purposes
                    .

                    So this was not observed even under pain of the death penalty ... Especially in the southern republics, which stepped from early feudalism at a stroke to developed socialism.
                    So, the late USSR is practically no different from today's Russian Federation, except for the "party" impudent and unprincipled lies and the scale of suppression of dissidents (in the Russian Federation they are still "reasonable")
                    1. +2
                      25 September 2021 11: 24
                      Quote: Thick
                      So, the late USSR is practically no different from today's Russian Federation.

                      I guess. that there are still fundamental differences. I will not prove it. Your confidence does not allow me to waste time on the "mlf" course ...
                      hi
                      1. Fat
                        +1
                        25 September 2021 11: 46
                        Yuri Vasilievich, do not waste time with me at MLF. This theory is good and useful.
                        She brought a lot of good and will bring more ...
                        With respect.
                2. -2
                  25 September 2021 17: 17
                  Quote: Thick
                  There are fewer lies and suppression, and more cynicism.

                  And practicality!
            3. +7
              25 September 2021 11: 07
              Quote: Tomic_1987
              the welfare state on the territory of Russia ended 30 years ago.

              Absolutely true and strongly agree!
      2. ANB
        +2
        25 September 2021 09: 42
        ... medicines to treat SMA (spinal muscular atrophy),

        In Morozovskaya they are given out free of charge. If relevant, I can look for a link.
        But it was specifically this problem that was solved.
        1. 0
          25 September 2021 10: 13
          Quote: ANB
          But it was specifically this problem that was solved.

          How can I tell you? I remember:

          There is such an article:
          https://www.pravmir.ru/chto-takoe-zolgensma-glavnoe-o-samom-dorogom-v-mire-lekarstve/
          It makes no sense to post even separate paragraphs, but:
          Meanwhile, according to estimates by the Institute for Clinical and Economic Review of the United States (ICER), Spinraza should not cost more than $ 72 for a year's course, and Zolgensma - $ 000 million per injection.
          In December 2019, Novartis announced that it would give away 100 doses of Zolgensma free of charge, using the lottery principle. The European patient community SMA Europe criticized the company for unethical decision. The company started working to improve the chosen approach.

          What's in Russia?
          Until recently, treatments for SMA have been limited to supportive care. Patients were recommended special food, vitamins, moderate physical activity, if necessary - surgery, artificial ventilation. Unfortunately, a significant proportion of SMA patients still receive only such treatment.

          In total, there are more than nine hundred patients with a diagnosis of SMA in Russia (913 in 2018). one-time injections for everyone would cost about 140 billion rubles. But they are effective only up to a certain age (1,5 years).
          I do not believe that the state is doing nothing in matters of treating patients with SMA. Only one thing depresses me: the average statistical Russian family will not be able to "get" 150 rubles. That is why I consider it humane to pay for such injections from (yes, at least !!! NWF) the state treasury ... And the State Duma will soon adopt a law allowing euthanasia? belay
          1. ANB
            +1
            25 September 2021 17: 58
            http://xn--90adclrioar.xn--p1ai/instruktsiya-dlya-polucheniya-preparata-risdiplam-evrisdi%EF%B8%8F-patsiyentam-so-spinalnoy-myshechnoy-atrofiyey-sma/
            ... That is why I consider it humane to pay for such injections from (and at least !!! NWF) the state treasury

            Injections are not paid for, but medicines are given free of charge.
            I just have a question for the funds that continue to raise money for these drugs.
      3. +2
        25 September 2021 12: 20
        Quote: ROSS 42

        I am always enraged by the cynicism of the authorities, which recommends that parents either wait for domestic medicines for the treatment of SMA (spinal muscular atrophy) to appear in Russia, or they propose to collect (have time to collect) 150 sms ...

        Oh, these drugs for 150 million:
        A) Test case, approved for use in individual cases
        B) The level of modern science does not allow effective treatment of this disease. In the States, Switzerland, Israel, Germany, this is not radically treated.
    2. +1
      25 September 2021 10: 43
      Quote: ivan2022


      The experience of building the Semashko system was carefully studied and used in the design of a similar Beveridge system adopted in the UK and some other countries. Many developed countries of the world - Sweden, Ireland, Great Britain, Denmark, Italy and others - have created their own budgetary health care systems, relying on the experience of the Semashko system created in the USSR. The Semashko system became the first experience in creating a unified nationwide system of medical support, and as part of its construction, the world's first ministry of health was created. After the destruction of the world socialist system and the collapse of the USSR, the national health care models of the new states were reformed towards a decrease in centralization and an increase in the share of paid services.

      All of the above countries have the good old Bismarov system at the heart of their health care.
    3. 0
      29 September 2021 19: 33
      Quote: ivan2022
      compare the share of state. budget, which went to health care then and now. The model of the health care system in the USSR is that of Dr. Semashko, not that of the economist Golikova. In my opinion there is a difference. And you pay! Pay more and you will be happy!

      Judging by the blunt drills at the dentists and the patches of 60 rubles at the nannies, everything was a little not so rosy ...
      And as an anecdote, I had 3+ in my passport, and 4 in my military ID, I donated blood both times ...
      And this is with the great pull of my mother - the head of the SES bacterial laboratory ...
      Would you save my life with an emergency blood transfusion?
      The very joke that seemingly expired reagents can give such confusion, but Rhesus is impossible to make a mistake
  4. -5
    25 September 2021 05: 26
    An asterisk fell from the sky
    Straight sweetheart in his pants
    If only everything there tore apart
    If only there was no country!
  5. +14
    25 September 2021 05: 27
    It is very strange to read in the "history" section a story about Shpakovsky's childhood memories!
    I understand that everything has history, incl. and at my dinner yesterday.
    If the author writes about his hepatitis, then let him indicate exactly how he got sick.
    Polio vaccinations. In the first year of life, the child is given the first vaccination, an injection, and then it drops into the mouth.
    What the author tells about "the nurses went and gave polio peas" is most likely multivitamins. Here it is, the ferocious and merciless Soviet medicine!
    The author didn’t bother to check the information he was giving. For his information - Petrovsky Passage is located in Moscow. And it is not entirely clear which house Peter is talking about.
    It is better to prepare the material.
    1. +4
      25 September 2021 06: 06
      "which house Peter is talking about"

      Peter's house is understandable, it is on Petrovskaya embankment, he is the only one. By the way, a very nice museum.
      But the Petrovsky passage is yes, it is not clear, it seems that Vyacheslav Olegovich was mistaken. Maybe he just confused it with something, with Gostiny Dvor for example .. Or maybe I don’t know something.
      1. +5
        25 September 2021 06: 33
        Nevsky prospect, 48, but it's just a Passage.
        Ivan! hi
        1. +1
          25 September 2021 06: 41
          Yeah, okay, thanks!
      2. +1
        25 September 2021 19: 56
        There is also a house of Peter 1 in the Kadriorg park in Tallinn, so it is not the only one. And in the article, it looks like a collective image - part of their sores and part of the narratives of friends and acquaintances.
        From my childhood memories - I practically did not get sick, except for one time - I caught dysentery - I ate unwashed early apples. But the wounds and scratches were enough. By the way, for 10 years, while I was at school, I did not know a single death with any of the children due to diseases. Practically in the children's department, they lay with bruises, dislocations, fractures and various
        other injuries. I knew, because the head physician is my mother's cousin and often visited us, naturally it was interesting to listen to how and what.
        Now the emphasis is placed on treatment, and before, the emphasis was on the prevention of diseases.
        By the way, district doctors at local village trauma centers (rural areas) played a huge role in prevention. And we often went there and not to hospitals and clinics. The help of the district police officers was often quite enough for the treatment of sores and injuries in our country, but if something serious, then please go to the district hospital or clinic. Help without refusal was provided both there and there.
    2. +1
      25 September 2021 07: 04
      Passage on Nevsky is and was. The postal address is Nevsky Prospekt, house number 48. When I was called it Petrovsky ... Children's memory is tenacious ... And to check ... What is there to check? As for the polio vaccine, it was invented in 1950, and began to be massively used in 1958-60. And maybe babies were injected with it. But older children were given in the form of "balls". However, I am not a doctor and I cannot say for sure. What I heard then from adults, I wrote about it.
      1. +2
        25 September 2021 07: 45
        You are positioning yourself as a historian, so check what you write. The passage in St. Petersburg (Leningrad) was never called Petrovsky, and what your relatives said there was their business.
        It's good that you are using Wikipedia, this is about the polyamite, read it to the end, and then there will be no "balls" or "peas" in the article.
        1. +2
          25 September 2021 08: 07
          Quote: Alex SJ
          You are positioning yourself as a historian, so check what you write.

          I don’t think it is worth imposing such duties on the author. The article represents the personal memories of a specific person, and not a historical study. Therefore, bearing in mind the properties of a person's memory, remembering something is better than something worse, one must understand that the picture presented is not an average indicator of the state of health care throughout the country. He had such a childhood, mine is significantly different from his, any reader in any case will have a number of his own characteristics that make his childhood different from all others. And that's okay. It's just that such articles cannot be an exhaustive historical source on the described topic, only. Readable? Yes ... that's thank God.
          1. +5
            25 September 2021 08: 14
            If the article is published in the history section, then it is automatically considered "historical". If there was a "memoirs" section, then there are no questions, but even there I would be ashamed to publish such an article, if only for ethical reasons laughing
            1. -1
              25 September 2021 17: 13
              Quote: Alex SJ
              at least for ethical reasons

              And what is it?
              1. +1
                25 September 2021 18: 58
                About your mother. You are writing supposedly memoirs, but without analyzing the process.
                A young woman with a child came to Leningrad, most likely she had a vacation, for what? The answer is simple - to arrange your personal life. She no longer hoped to find a decent peasant in Penza. Maybe the reputation was appropriate?
                And then the boy fell ill! What would a normal mother do? Most likely to care for a sick child. But she, in order to untie her hands, calls the child's grandmother to help.
                Intelligentsia!
                The child is not the main thing for her ...
                1. +2
                  25 September 2021 20: 41
                  Thanks for minus VOSH! Maybe oil was added to the head!
        2. -2
          25 September 2021 08: 58
          Quote: Alex SJ
          You are positioning yourself as a historian, so check what you write. The passage in St. Petersburg (Leningrad) was never called Petrovsky, and what your relatives said there was their business.
          It's good that you are using Wikipedia, this is about the polyamite, read it to the end, and then there will be no "balls" or "peas" in the article.

          Once again, this is not a historical article. This is a memory. What I remember is what I write. People have been wrong at all times, in many ways, and not only in such particulars.
          "position" - that you, I am! According to the documents and the number of scientific papers.
          1. 0
            25 September 2021 09: 10
            "Memories and Reflections" crying
      2. 0
        25 September 2021 08: 23
        In my presence they called him Petrovsky ... Children's memory is tenacious ...

        Alas, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but this time your memory let you down. Building No. 48 on Nevsky Prospekt was never called Petrovsky.
        1. -2
          25 September 2021 08: 58
          Quote: Undecim
          but this time your memory let you down

          It can very well. To be. But I wrote what I heard from my mother. Was she wrong? I did not check it in 1961.
          1. +3
            25 September 2021 09: 09
            Quote: kalibr
            It can very well. To be.

            Different social groups can assign completely different informal epithets, nicknames, etc. to the same significant object. In my childhood, one of the most visited shops among the people living in the microdistrict was called "margarine". For friends who lived in the next block, this name did not say anything. And there was no such word in the reference books. So I see a big problem in the fact that in your memories with the interlocutor, the same object causes different associative rows, informal definitions. I think this does not contradict the truth.
        2. -3
          25 September 2021 12: 59
          The logic of minus hamsters is interesting. What are they trying to designate as their minus in this case? Or is it an innate habit of shitting anywhere?
          1. +1
            25 September 2021 13: 12
            Never mind. It's good that you have personal enemies (ill-wishers)! Not everyone can boast of it! drinks
          2. -2
            26 September 2021 14: 09
            Quote: Undecim
            The logic of minus hamsters is interesting.

            So, when minuses fly from you, at this moment you pretend to be a "hamster" ... Then there are no questions ... "Hamster" further
            1. +2
              26 September 2021 14: 24
              There are no minus for such comments from me. They arrive at the information noise of the "News" and similar sections.
              By the way, for some reason I thought that moderators should be extremely neutral in their views.
              1. -1
                26 September 2021 14: 27
                Quote: Undecim
                By the way, for some reason I thought that the moderators should be extremely neutral.

                Are there any problems with this? Is someone oppressing you?
                Quote: Undecim
                They arrive at the information noise of the "News" and similar sections.

                Yes, your "prompted position" is far from a secret, but you never know such
                1. +2
                  26 September 2021 14: 39
                  Are there any problems with this? Is someone oppressing you?

                  At this stage, no. But this was not meant, but the disclosure of information to which only moderators have access. Among other things, if you decide to participate in the comments, you must be prepared for the fact that the reaction to them will be different.
                  1. -1
                    26 September 2021 14: 41
                    Quote: Undecim
                    if you decide to participate in the comments, you must be prepared for the fact that the reaction to them will be different.

                    The same law was opened to me, I’m ready ... It’s you there, something about "hamsters" decided to talk ...
                    Quote: Undecim
                    disclosure of information to which only moderators have access.

                    It's interesting which one?
                    1. +4
                      26 September 2021 14: 47
                      It’s you there that you decided to talk about "hamsters" ...

                      Why not talk? If I write a comment in the "News" section under the next story about "stupid minke whales", then the minus does not surprise me at all. This is a natural reaction of the local environment.
                      But when you write a comment in the "Weapons" section with exclusively technical information, moreover, proven, the search for which takes time, and sometimes money, and underneath it there are minuses, a reasonable question arises - what did the minuses want to show?
                      It's interesting which one?

                      Check out your previous comment.
                      1. 0
                        26 September 2021 14: 49
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Check out your previous comment.

                        And what should I see there? Any commentator can see how and who puts the marks, and on the basis of this one can draw conclusions.
                      2. 0
                        26 September 2021 14: 52
                        Any commentator can see how and who gives ratings.

                        Truth? So how can any commentator use this feature?
                      3. 0
                        26 September 2021 15: 05
                        Quote: Undecim
                        So how can any commentator use this feature?

                        Are you serious now? They made fun ... How many have already been written about this .. The cursor on the assessment and "clicks" with the left mouse button ... climbs the entire list
                      4. +2
                        26 September 2021 15: 10
                        I don't see anything funny, because as long as I do not click on the evaluation with the mouse keys, no lists drop out and never drop out. And not only for me, otherwise such questions would not arise at all. "Any commentators" do not have access to this function. If you turn it on for me, I will be very grateful.
                      5. 0
                        26 September 2021 15: 18
                        Quote: Undecim
                        no lists are dropped and never dropped.

                        Then I apologize ... I am here raids and do not always have time to keep track of the interface change by administrators.
                        Previously, they did not hide this information from the "commentators", but now they have decided so. Probably right, otherwise there are heaps of complaints. Sometimes it seems that people do not communicate here and come to express their thoughts, but for the "pluses"
                      6. +2
                        26 September 2021 15: 22
                        Then I apologize ...

                        Yes, for God's sake, I'm not a complaint. And the function of viewing the authors of ratings has never worked in my memory.
                      7. 0
                        26 September 2021 15: 28
                        Quote: Undecim
                        And the function of viewing the authors of ratings has never worked in my memory.

                        Worked ...
                      8. 0
                        26 September 2021 15: 29
                        So I didn't notice.
        3. +1
          25 September 2021 13: 33
          Alas, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but this time your memory let you down. Building No. 48 on Nevsky Prospekt was never called Petrovsky.

          That was the name of the Passage in Moscow, although this is the name of the department store "Petrovsky Passage". Passage - passage from Petrovka to Neglinka.
      3. +5
        25 September 2021 15: 33
        it’s unclear, he was himself or from "adults heard" I. By the way. making a historical excursus. learn to name the object not as "when you called it" (you for history, no one to call you). but its exact historical name.
        1. 0
          25 September 2021 17: 11
          Quote: Seeker
          learn to name an object not as "when you were named"

          This is exactly what is interesting. There was a shop on our Proletarskaya street. Food...
          Everyone called him "Blue" (it was painted with blue paint). And this is interesting, but the fact that it was a state trade store is not interesting to anyone.
      4. ANB
        +2
        25 September 2021 18: 10
        ... When I was with him they called him Petrovsky

        Not far from Peter's house there was a Petrovsky store. Maybe confused with him? The passage was just a passage.
        1. 0
          25 September 2021 20: 38
          That may very well be. It was a long time ago ...
          1. ANB
            0
            25 September 2021 21: 42
            Petrovsky is also a famous store. Finished with blue patterned tiles. It is very similar to the one that is decorated in the assembly hall of the LNVMU. The store has already been repurposed, but the tiles have remained.
    3. +2
      25 September 2021 09: 19
      Shpakovsky shits on the USSR in any section. Apparently, this is his goal.
  6. +2
    25 September 2021 05: 32
    they removed both the tonsils and, at the same time, the adenoids ... ... However, the "luminary" touched my vocal cords, and since then I have two voices left in memory of my childhood - an ordinary male and a thin one.
    And when the tonsils are removed in a non-trivial way, it is always the case. Because the path from the anus to the tonsils and adenoid vegetations passes through the vocal cords. But if they did not damage it through the mouth, because it is very difficult to get to them and for this very specific tools are needed, not to mention the fact that they hide in special niches for the screaming puppy. This is not the first time I have noticed the superficial approach and outright stupidity of this author. He also made himself special. Every second person has bitonality during phonation, and during training, in general, everyone.
    1. +4
      25 September 2021 05: 53
      Quote: Eugen Alpine
      However, the "luminary" touched my vocal cords, and since then I have remained in memory of my childhood two voices - an ordinary male and a thin one.

      Quote: Eugen Alpine
      And when the tonsils are removed in a non-trivial way, it is always the case.

      On this occasion, I remembered the most curious case:

      laughing
    2. 0
      25 September 2021 06: 29
      You see, you understand. And I was always told that these are the consequences of the operation, and not the neighbors at home - the doctors. Would I really start inventing myself?
      1. +5
        25 September 2021 07: 03
        Professional knowledge. Unfortunately, they are not very common. There is experience in operations on the GCI. As well as on the adenoids and tonsils. The distance from the lower poles of the tonsils to the GCI is eight cm, even in a child - you cannot get there without guttural forceps. Plus the epiglottis on top, which is just there so that nothing gets in. So remember your children's lorik with a kind word, he did not do anything bad to you.
        1. +2
          25 September 2021 07: 09
          Quote: Eugen Alpine
          he did nothing wrong to you.

          Here is life, right? It took a bunch of years, a request from two VO readers to have this article and your commentary, so that I can find out in old age. Funny, isn't it?
  7. +2
    25 September 2021 05: 36
    After reading it, I can say that I was not sick with anything, except for a cold, they treated me with a decoction of raspberry stalks and jam from it, well, with pills, and now I am not sick, except for the "Zvezda" balm and Citramon I do not use anything for headaches.
    1. +4
      25 September 2021 06: 12
      I share the approach. I am convinced that many problems are regulated by the diet. The only question is - how long is it? Life knows how to present a lot of surprises.
      1. +3
        25 September 2021 07: 10
        Yesterday I prepared a vaccine against coronavirus, according to my grandmother's prescription, with my own additions, a 10-liter bowl of tomato, a liter cup with a slide of garlic and the same horseradish, several pods of hot pepper, all through a meat grinder, salt to taste and 10 tablets of acytilka. Salo has already salted 5 cans.
        1. +2
          25 September 2021 07: 12
          Fresh air, movement, sun. And spices - who shows a penchant for them.
          1. +2
            25 September 2021 07: 33
            10000 steps a day! Plus a travel speed of 5 km / h, because it has been proven that death is approaching at a speed of 3,5 km / h. Then he won't catch up! And the spices ... Oooh !!! Turmeric, paprika ..., herbs: thyme, lemon balm, parsley, coriander, basil - you can't remember everything. For example, I constantly make Italian pesto with him. There is a jar with a finger in the store - 289 g. And then there are cans !!!
            1. +2
              25 September 2021 08: 15
              But does she make breaks?
              1. +1
                25 September 2021 08: 54
                Zeno's inverse paradox.
                1. +1
                  25 September 2021 09: 49
                  The turtle is a cute creature. But it's better from afar.
              2. +2
                25 September 2021 08: 59
                Quote from Korsar4
                But does she make breaks?

                Probably ... How could it be without them?
                1. +2
                  25 September 2021 09: 48
                  An optimist's answer.
                  1. +1
                    25 September 2021 17: 06
                    Realist comment.
                    1. +1
                      25 September 2021 17: 55
                      Illusions are too shaky to rely on.
                      1. +2
                        25 September 2021 17: 58
                        Where would humanity be if it were not based on illusion?
                      2. +2
                        25 September 2021 18: 28
                        “Be able to dream without becoming a slave to dreaming” (c).
                      3. +2
                        25 September 2021 20: 39
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Where would humanity be if it were not based on illusion?

                        Well said Anton !!!!!!!
                      4. +2
                        25 September 2021 20: 56
                        So it was, and so it will be! We are Cro-Magnons, Vyacheslav Olegovich? ...
                      5. +2
                        25 September 2021 21: 09
                        Cro-Magnons were apparently black)
                      6. +1
                        25 September 2021 21: 19
                        The pigmentation of the skin color is of little interest to me.
                      7. +1
                        25 September 2021 21: 28
                        Yes, even if I was a Negro of advanced years ... "
                        But in vain. It's an interesting topic. Recently I've been listening to a course of lectures by geneticists where we came from. Until about 8.500 years ago, Europeans were still black ... what a blow for modern Suprematists.
            2. +1
              25 September 2021 12: 39
              Quote: kalibr
              10000 steps a day!

              jogging, cycling, swimming, dumbbells, horizontal bar - it also works out well ...
              1. +2
                25 September 2021 13: 31
                Andrey, used to go to the pool twice a week. But because of the virus I do not go ... The same is the rest - there is a bunch of sports equipment nearby at the school on the street. But again, the virus messed things up.
                1. 0
                  25 September 2021 13: 41
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Andrey, used to go to the pool twice a week. But because of the virus I do not go ... The same is the rest - there is a bunch of sports equipment nearby at the school on the street. But again, the virus messed things up.

                  Vyacheslav Olegovich, the virus is not a hindrance to running in the park and cycling: last year ... the quarantine policemen tried to detain, but not the virus.

                  And dumbbells, expander and horizontal bar feel great directly at home - it's all a penny and no viruses.

                  The pool, yes, there are concerns ... recourse
                  1. +3
                    25 September 2021 13: 58
                    I do dumbbells every day. And I also lie on a special roller for the back and a rug made of needles. Every 45 minutes I get up from the computer and change my posture and do exercises, squats, turns. Then three times a week a summer residence. I just arrived. There is a wheelbarrow, greenhouses with high beds, concreting paths, a lot of work, even now ...
  8. +5
    25 September 2021 06: 06
    One of my relatives describes a visit to a doctor this way;
    A patient; " My knee hurts".
    Doctor ; " And how old are you ?"
    Patient; "69 years old"
    Doctor; "So what do you want if you are already 69? I do not understand at all what you need ...."
    Unfortunately, "the first of Russia's two troubles" has always taken place regardless of the government, both Soviet and anti-Soviet. And it is not necessary to present it exclusively as Soviet.
    1. 0
      25 September 2021 07: 00
      Because the doctor doesn't care about this grandfather and his knee. Whether he treats him or not, the salary will not change.
      1. Fat
        +2
        25 September 2021 08: 06
        hi Ivan. The doctor's salary will change depending on the number of patients, now it would be more accurate to say the clients he "served". Medicine is declared "insurance". Haven't you ever heard of "medical notes"?
        1. 0
          25 September 2021 08: 12
          I don’t know, I haven’t been sick for the last 15 years. But thanks for the information.
    2. +6
      25 September 2021 07: 18
      And by the way - he did not tell you what he complained to the doctor at the age of 69? There is a saying - if after 50 you have no pain. then you died. My grandmother at 95 does not understand why she cannot jam coffee with buckets - medicine is also to blame
      1. +4
        25 September 2021 09: 50
        I admit that at 95 she already proved her case with her life.
  9. +2
    25 September 2021 06: 09
    My family and I, in my childhood, lived in the countryside, the 50s, almost post-war, no frills, a Spartan atmosphere, what kind of "diseases"? , everyone around had iron health, in winter all day long skiing, in summer swimming and diving in a rural pond, from 10 years old working in the field during summer holidays, however, once he managed to catch pneumonia, fell through the ice and ran to at home, I was covered with ice, I was treated in a rural hospital, and no one of my peers, neighbors, was in the hospital ... there were such times, it was a shame to get sick ...
    1. 0
      29 September 2021 20: 10
      Quote: bistrov.
      everyone around had iron health

      Natural selection - who could not ...
      In the USSR, children weighing up to 1,5 kg were registered as born in a hospital and a birth certificate (for the registry office) was given only on day 9.
  10. +4
    25 September 2021 06: 10
    For some reason I remembered the children's verse
    "Quiet, quiet, silence, the poor doll is sick. The poor doll is sick, she asks for music. Sing what she likes and she will recover" V. Berestov
    smile
    1. +2
      25 September 2021 07: 02
      Quote: Van 16
      Quiet, quiet, silence, the poor doll is sick. The poor doll is sick, she asks for music. Sing what she likes and she will get better

      Quiet. Quiet. Silence.
      The poor doll is sick.
      The poor doll is sick
      She asks for music.
      Sing what she likes
      And she will recover ...
      ... The song is performed by Veronica Igorevna Skvortsova:
  11. 0
    25 September 2021 06: 18
    Not an article, but a medical history.
  12. +3
    25 September 2021 06: 27
    On our street of the 50s, every second person has had mumps, measles. And then we ran out into the street and came home with icy pants. And it was in the order of things. I only realized that where there was vigilant care for the health of children, children were most often sick.
    1. +1
      25 September 2021 07: 35
      "And then we ran into the street"

      In winter, it often happened that in the morning they broadcast on the radio: the temperature outside is so, the children of such classes do not go to school. Everyone's reaction was the same - Hurray! And everyone is in the yard, playing snowballs, building fortresses)) You look, all the guys are in the yard, and don't give a damn about the frost))
      1. +4
        25 September 2021 08: 14
        Hooray! And everyone in the yard, play snowballs, build fortresses))

        In freezing temperatures of -25C, snowballs do not form, but playing hockey is just that. Repeatedly so relaxed in the lower grades, starting from the 5th grade there were no air temperature restrictions, I had to go to school.
        1. +2
          25 September 2021 08: 27
          Exactly, hockey!
          By the way, after the New Year, when the trees were thrown away, we also made clubs of the type and was already playing field hockey. It was also interesting
  13. +5
    25 September 2021 06: 30
    Quote: bistrov.
    what "diseases"? , everyone around had iron health

    And the sky was higher and the grass was greener.
    And the casket opens simply - in the first half of the 20th century, in the villages, due to the low level of medical care, sickly children, as a rule, died in childhood and the very ones survived that then swam in the ice hole and went skiing.
    Now everyone survives (except, well, completely finished invalids), that's why there are so many painful ones.
    1. +5
      25 September 2021 06: 44
      Now everyone survives (except, well, completely finished invalids), that's why there are so many painful ones.
      Uh-huh, and in Sparta there was a Tarpeian rock ...
      1. 0
        25 September 2021 06: 49
        In Sparta, medicine was even worse. About throwing children off a cliff, by the way, is a myth.
        1. +4
          25 September 2021 07: 13
          myth
          I am undoubtedly in the know.
        2. +4
          25 September 2021 09: 49
          Here just now in the Amazon jungle they found an unknown tribe, and so, they eat their newborn children, if they notice that the child has any deviations, before meeting with civilization, the tribe was large enough, as they met, they began to die out. , the habitat, was made a reserve. Only scientists are allowed in and then after a thorough examination and a two-week quarantine.
          1. +3
            25 September 2021 10: 33
            The same story is with Agafya Lykova's family. Medical observations of the family were carried out by the doctor Igor Pavlovich Nazarov. In his article in the Trud newspaper, he expressed the opinion that the cause of death of Dmitry, Savin and Natalia was the weakness of the Lykovs' immunity due to the lack of contact with the outside world, which led to pneumonia when infected from visitors. A blood test of Agafya and Karp Osipovich showed the absence of antibodies to most pathogenic viruses.
            From Wikipedia.
  14. +4
    25 September 2021 08: 08
    No, there must be democracy, and if Shpakovsky decided that childhood illnesses that he suffered in childhood is a history related to military topics, then we, commenting on the article, can consider our children's nozzles involved in military history topics.
    So, it's no coincidence that I'm talking about the nozzles. As far back as I can remember, neither I myself nor my classmates had anything serious, except for snot and flu, from the first grade to graduation. And another time I wanted so badly to skip the lessons of my hated chemistry, but on the same day, the lesson of my favorite history, so I did not even pretend in front of my parents that, they say, my head or stomach hurts.
    And how then, in that, in our Soviet childhood, you get sick if you drive a hockey puck until late in the winter every day in the yard, in the summer from the age of fourteen you help to make hay and weed a vegetable garden, and in the evening you still play football until dark. And in the fall, after school, another march into the forest for mushrooms. And in the spring there was a frenzied bite of fish in the river. After school, immediately to the river. So when it hurts then ...
    And how they ate with such a rhythm of our then childhood life! What he grabbed from the table, then into his mouth. And run, run. And what would apples or plums from the garden to wash - never. Fill in your bosom as much as you like and go into the forest for mushrooms. And no infection took. And if he fell off the bike and skinned his leg or arm to blood, he washed it with water from a puddle, which is deeper, and forward further and everything will heal.
    So how did we get sick in those days as a child? Or was it just me and my classmates who were so lucky, and all my classmates, whom I knew while we had Soviet childhood ???
  15. +1
    25 September 2021 08: 24
    Well, was Penza really such a backwater, where mechanical drills were preserved by the beginning of the 60s? In Orenburg at the same time there were only electric ones, the effect of their action depends on the qualifications of the dentist. Novocaine, of course, was used only during removal, but milk teeth fell out and were removed without it and quite painlessly.
    But what about - "push the falling!"

    Quote from the Old Testament, if I'm not mistaken. Those. establish yourself on your neighbor, forward, in the 20% of the elect!
    1. 0
      25 September 2021 09: 01
      Quote: Aviator_
      Penza was such a backwater

      Exactly! You should have seen the streets and houses ...
    2. -2
      25 September 2021 17: 07
      Quote: Aviator_
      Quote from the Old Testament, if I'm not mistaken.

      No, you are wrong. There is no such commandment in either the Old or New Testaments. This I myself came up with by analogy with the commandments of the decalogue. But it sounds great, doesn't it? It very accurately reflects the essence of the behavior and actions of 80% of people!
      1. +3
        25 September 2021 18: 25
        I remember that my friend Romka Neimark, who left for the USA in 1994, often quoted this statement, but for some reason referred not to Mr. Shpakovsky, but to the Old Testament. I didn't even know that Mr. Shpakovsky took part in the writing of this ancient book.
        1. 0
          25 September 2021 20: 44
          Quote: Aviator_
          I didn't even know that Mr. Shpakovsky took part in the writing of this ancient book.

          Well, how much can I write to you, Sergei, that when commenting in such a spiteful way, you should FIRST look on the Internet. Type: "push the falling one in the Bible" and you would have the answer - NO! But from him you can learn that this phrase belonged to F. Nietzsche. It was from there that I remembered it. But why did your Roman refer to the Bible ... I don't know. So yes, I was wrong, I quoted this phrase too often. But your shot was also wasted, alas!
          1. 0
            26 September 2021 10: 44
            This I myself came up with by analogy with the commandments of the decalogue. But sounds great, doesn't it?

            Dear, it turns out that you inspired Nietzsche? Congratulations.
            But why did your Roman refer to the Bible ...

            The question of the Old Testament is not closed, I will try to return to it later.
  16. +2
    25 September 2021 09: 11
    Consumptive .... how did he stay alive?
    The death flame smolders of the scorpion !!!!
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  18. +1
    25 September 2021 11: 37
    I loved to get sick .. Immediately you increased attention .. mom on sick leave .. shushi-pusi .. jam, cookies, tangerines .. Considering that almost all diseases I endured easily - the process itself was a resort .. Of the minuses - the subsequent running around clinics with analyzes.
    1. +3
      25 September 2021 13: 33
      Quote: FreeDIM
      I loved to be ill .. Immediately increased attention to you .. Mom is on sick leave .. Sushi-pusi .. jam, cookies, tangerines .. Considering that I endured almost all diseases easily - the process itself was a resort

      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
      1. +5
        25 September 2021 15: 16
        The first time I fell ill with croupous pneumonia at the age of about a year - I don't remember anything about my illness, nothing! Although I remember well everything that surrounded me in the Kuban village at that time. The second time, at the age of 6, she fell ill with jaundice. Apparently, she was in the hospital. And again I don't remember anything about it. Only the panorama of Vladivostok in the window and a fluffy fox on a motorcycle - a toy brought by the parents. I have never seen such toys again. My favorite corduroy Bear was always with me and is. At about 13 years of age, severe pneumonia again. I only remember the light pouring into the open doors, and terrible pains, coughing. This is already in the Caucasus. Probably there were doctors, I don't remember at all. And then - persistent fullicular tonsillitis, chronic bronchitis, but I was already big and said: "Go to hell!" Further - a microstroke. I have been living this way ever since. I have already had a serious illness twice here, in the suburbs. In 2012 and in the spring of 2020. I am not being treated. I am a walking corpse. It's easier for me to live this way. I am a smoker.
        And ... I did not expect, Vyacheslav Olegovich, that you would raise such a topic.
        1. +2
          25 September 2021 16: 40
          I am a walking corpse. It's easier for me to live this way.
          We are all guests at this celebration of life.
          1. +3
            25 September 2021 17: 31
            Anton, if only life were a holiday! wassat ))))
            1. +3
              25 September 2021 17: 41
              "Life is a disease of matter. Mind is a disease of life" (C)
              1. +2
                25 September 2021 18: 01
                If the mind is a disease of life, then the mind is its healing)))
                1. +1
                  25 September 2021 18: 07
                  Mind is an everyday concept, do you want to argue with the Sttrugatskys, Lyudmila Yakovlevna?
                  1. +4
                    25 September 2021 18: 17
                    Mind is an everyday concept

                    Anton, take an interest in Wiki, she explains simply and clearly what is the difference between mind and reason. Even in common parlance, there is a saying, something like "gain your mind-reason".
        2. +1
          25 September 2021 17: 05
          Quote: depressant
          I am a smoker.

          Sorry!
          1. +5
            25 September 2021 17: 40
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, it's not worth it! )))
            You have no idea what a pleasure it is to interrupt business and light a cigarette! This is a legal holiday. Anton correctly said, we are all guests, we have to snatch what happens. Who is the Canary Islands, who even has a cigarette wassat )))
            However, I do not recommend it to the Canary Islands now. Lava is erupting there, so many summer cottages with swimming pools have been burnt. Have you seen how the pool boils? I watched and sympathized. People built to improve their health, and nature adjusted their wallets in the negative direction. It happens ... Now, probably, it will be more and more often.
            1. +2
              25 September 2021 20: 52
              Lyudmila Yakovlevna! I was a big dude when I was young. He smoked Cleopatra cigarettes, smoked a pipe and Crown cigars. 25 p. box! There were all sorts of pipes, dear. With the head of a lion, a musketeer, some other ... Tobacco from Moscow only "Herzegovina flora" is understandable. But then I saw that ... it didn't hurt me well. And above all the head. And I thought that it was me who was spoiling my main working tool. And he stopped! And my grandfather smoked until he was 70, from 20 ... And he was told - you will die if you don’t quit. And he gave up and lived until he was 86 years old. And I had a lesson - a person with a strong will can do anything. Since then, I have to "give a weak point" - I remember my grandfather ...
              1. +2
                26 September 2021 02: 40
                I was a big dude when I was young. Smoked Cleopatra cigarettes

                Vyacheslav Olegovich! There are no dudes with Egyptian cigarettes. Dudes in those years smoked "Marlboro", "Pall Mall" or "Dunhill", bought for 24 foreign currency kopecks in "Berezka" or for 5 rubles on the black market or from sailors.
                cigars "Corona"

                "Crown" is not a grade, it is a size. For some reason, good cigars were not imported to the USSR.
                But the tobacco "Herzegovina Flor" was normal. True, I have not met a pipe. And the cigarettes were pleasant, better than cigarettes.
                1. 0
                  26 September 2021 06: 16
                  You forget, Viktor Nikolaevich, that Penza is not Moscow. At that time, this was exactly the case with us. We had neither Bezerok nor sailors. Jeans and those were very rare.
                  1. +1
                    26 September 2021 07: 46
                    So I'm not a Muscovite! But we did have a foreign exchange store. It was only called "Kashtan".
                    1. +1
                      26 September 2021 07: 51
                      There will be an article about the growth of the cultural stratum in cities. There will be photos of Penza of my childhood ... There was also a hole on the map.
                      1. +1
                        26 September 2021 08: 20
                        Yes, it was hard for the Penza dudes to fool around. Solid improvisation. And then he pulled a pack of Dunhill out of his Levi Strauss jacket, a Ronson lighter out of Levi Strauss jeans, put out his leg in Adidas sneakers, flashed Seiko for hours - and that's it,
                        the young lady has already gone to bed and ask!
          2. +1
            25 September 2021 17: 46
            Don't sympathize with us! We know what we are doing with our body.
            1. +3
              25 September 2021 18: 07
              That's right, Anton!)))
              I wear out my body like clothes, but quite deliberately. Otherwise, with my wealth, I will not be able to live fully. Moreover, fully in my understanding and the boundaries of my capabilities.
              1. +2
                25 September 2021 18: 14
                Simply, you have not found your own Dali ...
                1. +3
                  25 September 2021 18: 36
                  Oh no! I don’t need this! )))
                  I am not able to look for someone, to be attached to someone, to be someone's muse, to command someone, to put pressure on someone, to adapt to someone, and so on. For me, independence from anyone is a blessing. I am absolutely self-sufficient.
                  You think this is bad. But people are just different.
                  1. +1
                    25 September 2021 18: 39
                    You think this is bad.
                    It doesn't seem to me. It is your right.
                    1. +2
                      25 September 2021 19: 02
                      It is your right.


                      Thank you, joker, for letting me live "badly" wassat )))
                      1. +1
                        25 September 2021 19: 07
                        This is not me, this is astrophysicists.
                      2. +1
                        25 September 2021 19: 13
                        astrophysicists


                        Have you got rid of astrophysicists? Or maybe astrologers?
                        Who do we have there? Globa Sr. and Globa Jr.? So that's who is to blame for everything ...
                        To the wall! am
                      3. +1
                        25 September 2021 19: 26
                        Yeah, your faith in "magnetic storms" is adequate to the faith of a cure for infertility, by mouthing to the newly minted icons of the Mother of God.
                      4. +2
                        25 September 2021 19: 43
                        Like this! Anyone wearing an imported turtle shell can offend a poor little squid seeking refuge in a plastic bottle. crying
                      5. +1
                        25 September 2021 19: 52
                        Yes. "Anyone can offend a girl" (C) According to Averchenko ...
  19. +4
    25 September 2021 14: 41
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, good afternoon. Probably, your wife loves you very much, when they love you, everyone forgives. You have a very difficult character.
    It is very difficult for colleagues to decide: who are you? A clever and talented author - no doubt, but sometimes you chant such nonsense. I even thought that you were a masochist: you deliberately provoke swearing and cons. When you want to write very well, but there are moments: "reeling under the mantle" (c) and you start to mock our past.
    Sometimes I wanted to bite you out of anger. I will repeat once again: "your wife loves you very much" if your character tolerates
    1. +3
      25 September 2021 15: 00
      Biting? In a decent society?
      Yes, what will decent people think of you ?! laughing

      And in general, this is not our method! stop
      1. +3
        25 September 2021 18: 31
        Typical young lady: "And if you fight, I'll start biting."
        1. +2
          25 September 2021 19: 08
          And if you fight, then I'll start biting


          "An unspoken resentment is harder on the soul."
          1. +1
            25 September 2021 19: 22
            To be offended is generally wrong.

            Long ago it occurred to me:

            https://stihi.ru/2001/10/03-225
            1. +1
              25 September 2021 19: 31
              Long ago it occurred to me

              And finally it came! wassat )))
              Our Sergei, Corsair, scrambled up on a stool and straightened up to his full height (recites).

              Word blow
              Korsar4
              The blow of the whip is both quick and sharp.
              A stripe swelled on the body.
              The punch from the word is simple and daring.
              Why was the wasp stung ?!

              The bite will pass, and very quickly.
              No getting used to, not the first time.
              We expect too much from our loved ones.
              They expect the same from us.

              There is a dream, there is a will, there is work,
              To tire yourself faster.
              There is a long road in the field,
              To leave quickly.

              There is a smile on my face again.
              Again witty, lively.
              Look in yourself - you will find a mistake.
              Offended means defeated.


              What is it, huh? )))))
              I hope the wasp was caught and neutralized?
              1. +2
                25 September 2021 22: 03
                Of course. It can not be in any other way.
                1. +2
                  25 September 2021 22: 08
                  Sergey, I am glad that you are not offended. Poets are so vulnerable, and you are also modest, you never publish your poems on our forums, only links to them, and people do not follow the links. I am proud of my role as a publisher)))
                  1. +2
                    25 September 2021 22: 44
                    The modest ones would be silent. But, if something has been formulated, it is stupid to retell.
                    1. +2
                      25 September 2021 22: 52
                      I thought. You're right.
                      Your own republishing really looks like self-promotion. It's another matter if impromptu or quoting someone else's work.
                      1. +2
                        25 September 2021 23: 24
                        There are probably no universal rules. And the conversation sets a certain tone. So anything is possible.
                      2. +1
                        26 September 2021 08: 19
                        Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
                        Be above today's news and yesterday's and ... tomorrow's!
                        Good morning! good
                      3. +1
                        26 September 2021 08: 32
                        Seryozha, my friend, good morning! love )))
                        You, as always, are an optimist, which pleases immensely. As for the news, I am always above them. Analysis does not work if you are inside their stream, and even more so if you run after them.
                      4. +1
                        26 September 2021 08: 45
                        But you are in their stream. Moreover, you analyze them and draw conclusions! Which ultimately leads you into a sad mood. Mikhail Afanasyevich reasoned quite sensibly that it is not worth doing, NEVER! Through the lips of Professor Preobrazhensky. laughing
                      5. +1
                        26 September 2021 09: 07
                        Mikhail Afanasyevich came to this conclusion, having as information honest propaganda of positive values ​​and extremely scanty - about the true state of political affairs. He simply waved his hand at the impossible to comprehend.
                        What I am dealing with is much worse - the flow of false information. Therefore, my task is to select those facts that are inevitably true. Having built them in interconnection for reasons and consequences, as I understand it, then I conclude that what is bad for me to expect in the future, and good, if any, will come imperceptibly by itself and only through an oversight of the authorities.
                    2. +1
                      26 September 2021 08: 22
                      Sergei!
                      Does a poet have the right to the luxury of offense? It's just a question!
                      "offended, then defeated."
                      1. +1
                        26 September 2021 08: 29
                        This is not a luxury.

                        It is clear that according to Vysotsky:
                        "Poets walk with their heels on the edge of a knife,
                        And they cut their barefoot souls into blood. "


                        Why take offense at the world? There is a lot of good in it. Even rain, even though it's time to leave the house soon.
                      2. +1
                        26 September 2021 08: 38
                        I agree. For me, too, there is no bad weather, there is certainly some grumbling, but it goes away within five minutes. In general, I note that the weather this year in the Moscow region is quite ... quite good. Corresponding to the seasons.
                      3. +1
                        26 September 2021 08: 44
                        Yes. Especially when there is a roof over your head. However, sometimes it takes time to get to this roof.
    2. +2
      25 September 2021 15: 57
      Recently I learned that in the opinion of one of our colleagues in the village, "he lives for Lenochka." How can she not love me? And the character is difficult ... for whom? Only for fools, and my wife is by no means a fool, as are my daughter and granddaughter. My principle in regard to them: "you are responsible for those whom you have tamed."
    3. +2
      25 September 2021 17: 04
      Quote: Astra wild2
      but sometimes you chalk such nonsense

      Shakespeare once said: only a truly intelligent person can afford to look like a complete fool.
      1. +2
        25 September 2021 18: 13
        There is no objection to William Shakespeare, or whoever wrote on his behalf.
        However, even without Shakespeare, I know that you are an intelligent author. It sometimes hurts
      2. 0
        26 September 2021 08: 29
        Vyacheslav Olegovich! Greetings!
        And I will take the liberty and disagree with his words. Why?
        Yes, just a smart person will never look like a complete fool. Original, eccentric? Yes, maybe. But a complete fool in the eyes of others? Not sure. Any examples?
        1. +1
          26 September 2021 11: 19
          Quote: Phil77
          Vyacheslav Olegovich! Greetings!
          And I will take the liberty and disagree with his words. Why?
          Yes, just a smart person will never look like a complete fool. Original, eccentric? Yes, maybe. But a complete fool in the eyes of others? Not sure. Any examples?

          You are a modern person and you know a lot more than Shakespeare knew!
  20. +1
    25 September 2021 14: 43
    delirium ... about how I was sick ... writing is a good remedy for dementia ..., let him write.
    1. +1
      25 September 2021 15: 57
      It's easy to read, Dmitry, isn't it?
      1. +2
        25 September 2021 16: 38
        You, dear VO, would sing about the loss of innocence!
        The article will be fire and the Germans! Over 500 komentov will definitely pass!
        1. 0
          25 September 2021 17: 02
          Quote: Jurachip
          You, dear VO, would sing about the loss of innocence!

          If you are interested, you can read about it in detail in the novel "Season of Love" on the website author.today
          1. +1
            25 September 2021 22: 17
            It is lazy to climb something on unknown sites, what else you pick up, you will be tortured to withdraw the infection!
            You'd better emboss here, so to speak, excerpts from scraps, like an experienced ladies' man!
            1. 0
              26 September 2021 06: 18
              Quote: Jurachip
              to unknown sites

              You will not pick up anything on this site. The whole country reads it!
  21. 0
    25 September 2021 16: 18
    The site is called Military Review. What does the illness of children have to do with it, albeit the Soviet period?
  22. +4
    25 September 2021 17: 09
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    Sometimes, remembering my childhood, I think: did it happen to me?
    1. +5
      25 September 2021 17: 23
      Sometimes, remembering my childhood, I think: did it happen to me?

      Good afternoon, Anton.
      I also remember, although it would seem that for more than half a century the details should be forgotten. But no.
      The reaction of the commentators is interesting. Some remember their own childhood, others are seething about
      The site is called Military Review.
      .
      It seems that the seething childhood did not have a normal one and they seethe with envy.
      Like a teddy bear from an anecdote.
      1. +3
        25 September 2021 17: 37
        Like a teddy bear from an anecdote.
        I don't remember this anecdote, alas ...
        My respect, Victor Nikolaevich!
        "Seething", it usually comes from stupidity, because there are resources where "every rivet is discussed", but "hamsters" are not found there.
        1. +3
          25 September 2021 17: 41
          I don't remember this anecdote, alas ...

          One of the options.
          Little hare, little fox, little wolf and bear cub after the New Year
          They say that they were given.
          Leveret: Dad gave me a toy train. Almost like a real one!
          Pup: And they gave me a typewriter!
          Teen Wolf: And a toy gun for me. Shooting shoots!
          Bear: ... And to me ... And I ... And from me ... And I'll give you all right now (...).
      2. +5
        25 September 2021 17: 41
        Quote: Undecim
        It seems that the seething childhood did not have a normal one and they seethe with envy.

        Colleague, there are individuals whose "bubbling" is a style of life smile
        1. +3
          25 September 2021 17: 45
          Maybe their life is hard, as the classic wrote.
          I'm from a stale piece
          From raw and fresh water,
          Sazhen for a hundred from the attic
          For the need I run known.
          1. +4
            25 September 2021 17: 48
            Quote: Undecim
            Maybe their life is hard, as the classic wrote.
            I'm from a stale piece
            From raw and fresh water,
            Sazhen for a hundred from the attic
            For the need I run known.

            Charming! laughing laughing laughing
      3. +3
        25 September 2021 17: 57
        Viktor Nikolaevich, but people do not understand that children's health is a matter of the state's defense capability. So the topic is for the Military Review. They say that now there are only a few healthy children. And who, after a few years, will be drafted into the army? And so already the conscription was reduced due to the lack of the required number of healthy conscripts. Difficult to recruit.
        1. +2
          25 September 2021 18: 07
          Difficult to recruit.

          You cannot force to be healthy.
          1. +2
            25 September 2021 18: 29
            You cannot force to be healthy.

            Or it won't work, no matter how hard the person tries. The quality of the food, the dirty air, the hassle due to the unsettledness of something that does not depend on us and should be arranged by someone who has the capabilities and responsibilities for this - and a lot of things. And somehow it turns out that no matter how well a person is, the number of negative factors is increasing. As Golikova would say, we have a negative growth in well-being.
            Hence - no matter how hard you try, health goes away faster than it is restored.
            1. +2
              25 September 2021 18: 38
              Or it won't work, no matter how hard the person tries.

              If you try, you will succeed. And if you also create conditions for this, then it will work out for sure.
              And if there are no conditions, no desire, then write is gone.
              1. +2
                25 September 2021 18: 57
                There is a desire to maintain health. To do this, I mobilize the immune system by exercising and showering. But here are other possibilities ...
                Excessive movement along the street along which it pulls in a covid is excluded, especially the recommended evening walks. And further. On the one hand, in the evening, the air is especially densely filled with the smell of worn out car tires from a fairly close track. On the other hand, the true kings of our night streets creep out - guest workers. Do you know that even Russian youth after 8 or 9 pm no longer go out for a walk, as it was before? To avoid Article 282.
                Medicines ... I don't know what they are made of, but I have a severe allergy to them.
                It doesn't work, no matter how hard you try.
                1. +4
                  25 September 2021 19: 12
                  Medicines ... I don't know what they are made of, but I have a severe allergy to them.

                  You have no allergies, neither hard nor soft. Your case is described by Bulgakov: "Therefore, the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads."
                  I hope you will not be offended by my escapade. I'm purely well-meaning.
                  You know that even Russian youth after 8 or 9 pm no longer go out for a walk, as it was before

                  And who is her doctor? I went through this misfortune in the army when three dozen "sons of the mountains" were keeping two hundred "Russian youth" in fear.
                  All issues are resolved if desired.
                  1. +2
                    25 September 2021 19: 18
                    only with the best intentions.

                    Oh, just turn my brains more carefully, do not press hard, they are already at the stage of liquefaction! wassat )))
                    1. +3
                      25 September 2021 19: 35
                      I, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, am not a neurosurgeon. I am a metallurgist. So how will it turn out.
                      1. +3
                        25 September 2021 19: 47
                        And, so you with all the proletarian might and directness! So that then she could not collect the spreading contents of the cranium ...
                        So me! So! Hooray! good drinks wassat )))
                      2. +3
                        25 September 2021 19: 56
                        This is already bdsm
                      3. +1
                        25 September 2021 20: 13
                        This is the

                        Well no!
                        It's just that Viktor Nikolaevich is joking like that)))
                        Yes, and I go there too. I don’t know about him, but that’s the only thing for me.
                      4. +3
                        25 September 2021 20: 12
                        Quite the opposite! I am a metallurgical mechanic. My task is to restore the equipment operability after the most serious accidents in the shortest possible time.
                      5. +1
                        25 September 2021 20: 17
                        I beg you, just not with a wrench, not with pliers or pliers. It is also advisable not to use a screwdriver. Still, I have one gyrus, not in stock.
                      6. +2
                        25 September 2021 20: 21
                        In case of serious accidents, such tools are only for auxiliary purposes. Blasting, bulldozer, autogenous, scraper winch and other serious things.
                      7. +1
                        25 September 2021 20: 43
                        So you are suggesting to blow up my brain?!?
                        There Liam (Victor) is already hinting at BDSM, or rather, at BDSSSM. But you are realizing, firstly, the inversion of such relations ("50 shades of gray"), and secondly, you use only sadism in relation to me from the set of tools offered by the BDSSM. For which I am very grateful, since they saved me from the need to put a black eye under your eye for everything else.
                        Still, I’ll think about inviting a professional surgeon. So that without a sledgehammer and explosives. Let it straighten my gyrus! Straight, it will be much more stable.
                        And even so they beat in the head and produce micro-explosions of the brain by the daily news.
                        I'm looking at them.
                      8. +2
                        25 September 2021 20: 53
                        I suggest you throw away all reflections, stop watching the news (again Bulgakov) and take care of your health. This will allow you to take your mind off spleen and have a good time.
                      9. +2
                        25 September 2021 22: 02
                        Viktor Nikolaevich, I don’t have any fashionable spleen. There is a habit of living in a state of complete absolute hopelessness. It's like with a man who has an amputated arm, but he has adapted and does not lose heart. This is a good way to live.
                        I see from my neighbors that, except for me, no one else succeeds. Some developed a terrible anger, they literally throw themselves at people. Others, who were previously able to joke and laugh, simply walk without faces. Rather, they have a frozen expression of horror on their faces, such as they say "you don't have a face."
                        People cannot get into the rhythm of rising prices for everything. We have to cut needs, which are already cut. The government reports on the recovery of the economy - what is the rise? The fact that the Tajiks built another plant in Sibur and stayed to work there? ...
                        Well. 21:48. Outside the window - the voices of guest workers. Russian voices are no longer heard at this time. Everyone huddled in their apartments. I do not know how it is with you, but it is so with me. Only sometimes the fear skips over - suddenly what, so these immediately. But fear both comes and goes, I was trained by the 90s.
                        So this is not a spleen. This is already a property of the organism that cannot be changed. The way you can't go back in time.
                        My dumps will start if there is no internet access. My gyrus requires data for continuous analysis and inference.
                      10. +1
                        3 October 2021 04: 32
                        Wow, you are depressed. Somehow, you know, it looks a lot like a withdrawal syndrome ... of something familiar, this is how it seems to me the reason for your permanent grief.
                      11. +1
                        3 October 2021 04: 58
                        Good morning, colleague!)))
                        Well, you have a ward, you know better wassat
      4. +2
        25 September 2021 18: 20
        Victor Nikolaevich, good evening. You have done well about envy
  23. +2
    25 September 2021 19: 36
    "Now that we are all more concerned about our health than ever before."
    It is not true. I'm not worried.
  24. +2
    26 September 2021 02: 03
    Even this is quite a choked-up he was in childhood, as soon as he did not die. Or died? And he writes from the other world.
    And children in the sixties, I remember myself, were treated by pediatricians very conscientiously. And they tried not to allow self-medication, I remember again, the doctor swore at my mother in the office, when my mother let me tell you that everything heals with aloe - and broken knees, and when my throat hurts.
    1. +1
      29 September 2021 16: 26
      Quote: Uma Palata
      Even this is quite a choked-up he was in childhood, as soon as he did not die. Or died? And he writes from the other world.

      He writes that the best remedy for a Soviet child, so as not to get sick, is become an anti-Soviet child. That is why he survived.
      1. +1
        3 October 2021 04: 23
        Fast, pray and listen to the radio the voice of america ..?))) And survived, in your opinion?))
  25. +1
    26 September 2021 12: 08
    Unique nonsense, especially about vaccinations and drills. Author, you were not allowed to go to Israel at one time?
  26. +1
    26 September 2021 17: 12
    My father took him fishing. I was 5 years old then. Caught in a downpour. Has caught a cold. They gave injections. It didn't hurt, but for some reason it was scary. Shouted. winked In the third grade, the tooth is swollen. Dad dragged, literally dragged, to the dentist. I struggled and yelled again. And more, apart from any vaccinations and commissions, I had no reason to deal with medicine. winked Up to 24 years old. But this is far from childhood.
  27. +1
    26 September 2021 21: 46
    Cahors, black caviar and chocolate. Another vinegar compress on the forehead. Granny treated all my fever diseases this way. Until the age of 45, I did not know what a cold and a headache are. Perhaps an army hardening.
    1. 0
      26 September 2021 21: 55
      Quote: Clone
      Cahors, black caviar and chocolate. Another vinegar compress on the forehead.

      Well at least not vodka with gunpowder and pepper
  28. 0
    29 September 2021 12: 34
    I, too, from those times ..
    Yes, the injections were painful - an impression for a lifetime. After all, the needles were reusable, they were not sharpened ...
    I was sick with whooping cough at the age of 6. Mom is a doctor, but they could not make a diagnosis right away, they treated it for a long time. For life - complications, chronic bronchitis, runny nose. Unfortunately, this was the usual level of development of medicine at that time.
    However, in life it did not really hurt. In studies - a school with a gold medal, Novosib. University. - Honours. And further in his scientific career too ...
    It seems to me that people of the older generation were physically stronger, they used to have children, which also contributed to their health. + social policy of the state, which in every possible way supported young "child" families. Facilitated the acquisition of housing at a penny price. And, by the way, let us recall the notorious childlessness tax as a "stimulator" ... Of course, we all despised it. But all the same - all these measures worked.
    1. 0
      3 October 2021 04: 27
      Not being able to diagnose whooping cough in a child ?! Heh. Yes, it was at that time a paramedic or m / s of any FAP in the area could. Therefore, it would be objective to be offended by your own mother, right?
  29. 0
    30 September 2021 09: 18
    Something, but Soviet dentistry is an object of fierce hatred, now you just pay, and you treat your teeth normally.
    1. 0
      30 September 2021 14: 12
      Quote: EvilLion
      Something, but Soviet dentistry is an object of fierce hatred, now you just pay, and you treat your teeth normally.


      Was it so hated because the drill was Soviet or because there were no "anti-Soviet" laser ones? Actually, in the world, even today, billions of people are treated in the old way and call it the word "normal" ......
      By the way; in the USSR, I went to the dentist at the household-settlement clinic and for a few scars I also treated my teeth "simply" and quite normal even by today's standards. Maybe something happened to your memory?
  30. +1
    30 September 2021 10: 58
    With what longing I remembered Soviet Medicine and its doctors. These were people of duty and honor. Now there are also, but they are diligently removed and beggarly salaries and moronic "reforms." The coronavirus has shown the price of these "reformers."
  31. Ola
    0
    23 December 2021 19: 57
    I sympathize, of course, that I was unlucky to be a sickly child. But what did you have in those days, that now many children have the same. By the way, in vain roll the barrel to the doctors who allegedly "touched your ligaments" when removing tonsils: firstly, all men can talk in falsetto (except that some squeak stupidly, others have more parodist talent), and secondly, where are the tonsils and where vocal cords, you cannot reach them when removing the tonsils, if you want to, if you do not go deep on purpose, but for this you need special additional tools. And the pain in your leg, most likely, was not neuralgia due to birth trauma, but a very direct consequence of regular tonsillitis, these pains could even be of a rheumatic nature. And it was just the removal of the tonsils that helped as a necessary measure. Although they are not advised to be deleted, if you can cope without it.

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