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Media: Before the attack on the police department in the Voronezh region, the criminal dealt with the family of neighbors

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New details of the attack on the police department in the Voronezh region are emerging. As Voennoye Obozreniye has already reported, an unknown man drove up to the police station in the city of Liski in a car at about 5:30 and set off an explosive device. As a result of these actions, an employee of the internal affairs bodies was injured. Earlier it was reported that the attacker had a gunshot weapon, which he used, but this version has not yet found official confirmation.

Now some information about the attacker has appeared.

According to the latest information, the attacker is a native of the Kamensky district (Voronezh region) and an employee of a local private security company (PSC). According to local media reports, the man had previously had a conflict with one of the local residents. What kind of this conflict was not reported. However, in the end, he dealt with the entire family of a 59-year-old local resident, including her son and 5-year-old grandson (according to other sources, the youngest son). The attacker killed all three people in their own home.

Local media reports say the family was the neighbors of a man who ended up committing a serious crime. At the same time, it is argued that he had previously applied to the police with a request for some kind of help in "resolving the problem with neighbors."

On the day of the attack on the police department, he put on camouflage, a protective helmet and got behind the wheel of a Niva car. When he was attaching an explosive device to the door of the district department, none of the officers, as shown by the surveillance camera, took action to prevent it.

At the moment, the search for the criminal continues. The police report that the offender is armed.

Explosion video (Baza):

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  2. Moskovit
    Moskovit 16 September 2021 15: 19
    +33
    The telegram writes that he had a conflict with the Kurds. I went to the police. There, as usual. I am not making excuses for anyone, but such an ignorance of interethnic clashes can lead to very sad consequences.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 16 September 2021 15: 38
      +6
      Holy man, fighter with rezhim. As the gifted ones wrote on the previous thread. I went according to their logic to kill children in protest.
      1. Retvizan 8
        Retvizan 8 16 September 2021 15: 46
        +51
        For me, there is no excuse for a person who raises his hand to a child, even if he had a conflict of a universal scale with his parents.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 16 September 2021 15: 49
          +18
          Quote: Retvizan 8
          there is no excuse for a person who raises his hand to a child, even if he had a conflict of a universal scale with his parents.

          You can hardly say better.
          I absolutely agree.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 16 September 2021 16: 47
          +6
          Quote: Retvizan 8
          For me there is no excuse for a man raising his hand to a child

          And if the person was in a state of passion? And it turned out "somehow by itself"? Maybe it's better not to curse him yet without knowing the whole situation? Neighbors, especially "non-Russians" ..., can be worse than the devil! Such people behave in Russia like invaders! They can literally mock the Russians "nearby"! The police are inactive, being bribed or fearing charges of "national bias"! (I came across this myself!) You need to feel the emotions of a chela who could not find protection in the "organs" and who was brought to the state of "life is not sweet"! And only those who have been in the "avenger's skin" can judge that person more or less objectively! Personally, I will not rush to condemn the "person involved in the incident" yet!
          1. alystan
            alystan 16 September 2021 17: 15
            .
            And you yourself are holier than all the saints or something, judge everyone and hang labels !?
            During the war Babi Yar, for example, whose hands were it? Or have the Ukrainians also become non-Russians for you? You should be involved in inciting ethnic hatred, Hottabych!
            Personally, I will not rush to condemn the "person involved in the incident" yet!

            But those killed for you are already the fiend of hell! Are you okay yourself or are you also writing your opuses in a state of passion?
            1. Looking for
              Looking for 16 September 2021 17: 26
              +3
              and the Ukrainians are non-Russians. THEY ARE UKRAINIANS !!!
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 16 September 2021 19: 27
              +16
              No need to spit ckupudarom .... don't try! Since I have seen the likes of you and I cannot be surprised by your streams of irritation and anger ... I am writing about what I have seen in my life, but you should not be offended by the truth! I wrote earlier about the fact that Asian migrants, for example, took such a dirty trick to help themselves ...: just when the citizens of our country begin to show dissatisfaction with the unworthy behavior of migrants ... to make comments to them, migrants, remembering that " the best defense is an attack, "they immediately begin to accuse Russian citizens: 1. of" inciting ethnic hatred ", 2." insult on the basis of ethnicity "... 3. accuse of Nazism, etc. ... start to threaten that they will call the police and file a complaint on all of the above points! (I myself found myself in such a situation ... and deliberately showed maximum restraint, making remarks to migrants! But I still heard the listed threats!) Am I inciting "interethnic strife" when I write about fait accompli, which I witnessed? And in your opinion, the migrants organizing mass fights, rapes, murders in Russia do not incite this strife in any way? You have no shame, no conscience! By the way, I had to read expert opinions that the presence in any country of migrants in the number of 10% and more from the local population is the reason for the emergence of serious social and interethnic upheavals! There are estimates of the number of migrants in Russia, determining their number from 10% and above...
              1. realist
                realist 17 September 2021 10: 15
                +1
                somewhere I saw the figure of 14 million migrants back in 2018, these are only officially working, without family members and illegal.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 17 September 2021 11: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: realist
                  somewhere I saw the figure of 14 million migrants back in 2018

                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  ! There are estimates of the number of migrants in Russia, determining their number from 10% and more ...

                  People making such assessments forget
                  1) about the population of Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan. If so many left for us, there would be only presidents left and that's all.
                  2) after the jump in the dollar exchange rate in 2014, it became unprofitable for them to work here. An outflow from here started right away ...
                  3) citizens who see only "Tajiks" around them do not understand that Russia is a multinational country. That 90% of the "type of Tajiks" are our native Buryats, Nogais, Mountain Shors, Kalmyks, Tatars and so on. The entire Urals, Siberia, the Volga region, the Ciscaucasia and so on ...
                  If a person (under 25) speaks Russian quite easily and clearly, this is 80 percent наш citizen. In Central Asia, there has been no mass teaching of Russian in schools for a long time. Their citizens really even “nasyalnik !!” hardly and not always articulate ...
                  lol If you take off the uniform from Sergei Kuzhugetovich and put on an old construction uniform on him, the cops will definitely start checking the migration office ... lol

                  The FPS and the FMS (before liquidation) estimated the total number of migrants at about 2,3 million for 2013.
                  1. FIR FIR
                    FIR FIR 17 September 2021 18: 22
                    0
                    Quote: your1970
                    after the jump in the dollar exchange rate in 2014, it became unprofitable for them to work here. An outflow from here started right away ...

                    Something is not visible this outflow, rather the opposite.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 17 September 2021 18: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: FIR FIR
                      Quote: your1970
                      after the jump in the dollar exchange rate in 2014, it became unprofitable for them to work here. An outflow from here started right away ...

                      Something is not visible this outflow, rather the opposite.

                      - this fact was recorded by both the Federal Migration Service and the border guards
                      And yes, see item 3 ....
                      You think that OUR live and work separately from Tajiks? The same construction sites, clothes, food - our workers and Tajiks.
                      It was not in vain that I wrote about Kuzhugetovich - I came across this ...
                      When out of a group of more than 170 people there were only 3 from Kyrgyzstan - but they were all Kyrgyz and Tajiks ...
                      1. FIR FIR
                        FIR FIR 17 September 2021 18: 54
                        0
                        I see a lot of construction sites on the way to work and study, but with pale faces only managers and drivers. All builders are from sunny Asia.
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 17 September 2021 18: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: FIR FIR
                        only leaders and drivers with pale faces

                        Have you seen Kalmyks at least once in your life? The Japanese take Buryats for their own !!!!! Most of the Don Cossacks were generally dark ...
                        Once again, see p. 3
                        A multinational country ....
                      3. FIR FIR
                        FIR FIR 17 September 2021 19: 15
                        0
                        Kalmyks have not seen laughing , but I doubt very much that they are in crowds of 1000 km. they dangle on kalymy. They have the Krasnodar Territory close by, where there will be enough construction projects for 10 Kalmykiy.
                        Quote: your1970
                        The Japanese take the Buryats for their own

                        And not casual. I lived with the Buryats in the neighbors for many years, and I am still friends. Intelligent, kind and very hardworking. But where is Buryatia, and where is European Russia ........
                        Yes, and a Tajik with a Don Cossack, in my opinion, is difficult to confuse.
                        Quote: your1970
                        A multinational country ....

                        And what another !!!
                      4. your1970
                        your1970 17 September 2021 19: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: FIR FIR
                        but I doubt very much that they are in crowds of 1000 km. they dangle on kalymy.

                        From us 1200 Moscow - and everyone is going: Kazakhs, Russians, Tatars, ...
                        I will say more - our people go to the Krasnodar Territory to drive cement trucks, to Norway to platforms (before the pandemic) and to the Far East to trawlers, and to the North ...
                        The whole country now who can go to watch the devils where. A friend is now working in Murmansk - 6 men went there ...
                        So here it is - very naively
                        Quote: FIR FIR
                        But where is Buryatia, and where is European Russia ..

                        They go anywhere, if only there was money to work ... Now I don’t know, before in Moscow sushi bars went out exclusively at the expense of Buryat waiters - they say our cafe is real Japanese !!! There is a Japanese waiter !!!!
                        I will repeat myself - it became unprofitable for real Kyrgyz and Tajiks to work in Russia. The dollar exchange rate does not care about everything, but they lose twice - first they convert rubles to dollars and then dollars to their own.
                  2. realist
                    realist 20 September 2021 08: 03
                    0
                    I am a builder and I work with people on sites, I see their documents. Can't I distinguish a Bashkir's Russian passport from a foreign one? there are a lot of Kyrgyz, Tajiks and Uzbeks. they do not speak Russian, behave aggressively - they only understand strength.
                    Kyrgyzstan -6 million people
                    Uzbekistan 33.5 million people
                    Tajikistan 9.5 million people
                    only 49 million people.
                    do you doubt that we have 14 million migrants? including Ukrainians, Moldovans, Belarusians?
                    according to official figures, I found a figure of 3 million employed. without children and wives.
                  3. realist
                    realist 20 September 2021 08: 06
                    0
                    Believe it or not, many Russians (the same Bashkirs from the provinces) speak Russian poorly or do not speak at all. I've seen a lot of construction projects, believe me.
          2. raw174
            raw174 19 September 2021 05: 28
            0
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Neighbors, especially "non-Russians" ..., can be worse than the devil! Such people behave in Russia like invaders! They can literally mock the Russians "nearby"! The police are inactive, being bribed

            And here's how it happened:
            The killed members of the Ibragimov family lived in a house they had bought from Mirsky's mother. The deceased Gulistan bought the house in installments and paid in installments. In the summer, Mirsky's mother died, and after her death Ibragimova stopped paying - they say, the seller died, then the deal is closed. Victor tried to extort money from the family, but nothing came of it and then he turned to the police.

            And the police have no right to collect any debts from citizens, you need to go to court, prove the consistency of the transaction and collect through the bailiffs, and the scumbag took the trunk and went to fix the lawlessness. It's good that he is no longer alive ...
            1. realist
              realist 20 September 2021 08: 07
              0
              your logic is funny. if the seller is dead then you do not need to pay under the contract?
              1. raw174
                raw174 20 September 2021 10: 08
                0
                Quote: realist
                your logic is funny. if the seller is dead then you do not need to pay under the contract?

                Did I write that? No. If the seller died, then the heirs, having entered into an inheritance, will receive both debt and property obligations. With the inheritance documents, he goes to court and the court collects money from the buyer, and the bailiffs charge him. This is a civil - legal relationship and the role of the police is not there at all. If the cop starts collecting debts, he becomes a criminal.
                1. realist
                  realist 20 September 2021 18: 22
                  0
                  that is, you had to go to court? on what basis? mother sold the house, the heirs have nothing to do with it? the situation is complex and ambiguous. I know for sure: do not judge and you will not be judged.
                  without a deep study of all the circumstances of the case, our reasoning here is at the level of an outburst of emotions. I see no reason to seek the truth without knowing the whole picture. it turns out the man is still not right under the law.
                  1. raw174
                    raw174 20 September 2021 21: 09
                    0
                    Quote: realist
                    that is, you had to go to court?

                    Yes, if we consider ourselves civilized people ...
                    1. realist
                      realist 21 September 2021 13: 45
                      0
                      our Russian court and civilization? what do they have in common?
                      convictions 99.7%, just don't say that the investigating authorities are working well
                      1. raw174
                        raw174 21 September 2021 14: 35
                        0
                        Quote: realist
                        our Russian court and civilization? what do they have in common?
                        convictions 99.7%

                        You've completely confused everything. I'm talking about civil proceedings, there are no defendants ... If people have a deal of purchase and sale of housing was formalized by law, having entered into an inheritance, it will not be difficult to recover.
                        And about 99.7%, yes, indeed, we have almost no acquittals. But the requirements for cases are really very serious, although it depends on the quality of prosecutors. The entire course of the investigation is monitored by the prosecutor's office and the prosecutor also approves the prosecution.
                      2. realist
                        realist 22 September 2021 13: 28
                        0
                        are you joking ! What are "very high requirements"? when you are detained in the IVS, they write a paper on you to the court: you raped your grandmother, killed and ate you, the court determines you before the trial in the pre-trial detention center, after a while the judge pronounces a sentence: he raped the grandmother with special cynicism and ate without a trace. 12 years of general regime ..
                        I do not believe in the fairness of Russian justice from the word at all. I know too much on the topic. the judge turns the indictment into a verdict and that's it, no one understands anything. the judge has no (almost) chance of acquittal. in a civil court, it's also a mess, you don't have to come to hearings for a long time, you don't have to carry out the sentence ..
        3. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 18 September 2021 14: 56
          -3
          Quote: Retvizan 8
          For me, there is no excuse for a person who raises his hand to a child, even if he had a conflict of a universal scale with his parents.

          Children of Caucasians and other non-Russians are still devils. Seen enough of them while still a high school student. Arrogant, loud, teachers do not value. I remember a couple of times we, the boys from the 11th grade, were removed from the lesson to ensure order in the 5th, where there were a lot of such "children".
          PS For the third time in a row I run the risk of being banned for a month - for telling the truth.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 16 September 2021 16: 09
        -6
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Holy man, fighter with rezhim. As the gifted ones wrote on the previous thread... I went according to their logic to kill children in protest.

        So who wrote that? Why are you lying then?
        Members of the forum shared their opinions on the fact of what happened, referring to personal experience and gave their subjective assessments of the situation.
        What is the problem? This is a forum !!! Some kind of redhead dragged ...
        And now the question is, how are you different from kakloskakuas?
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 16 September 2021 16: 53
        +2
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        As the gifted ones wrote on the previous thread.

        Some gifted people continue to believe that the media statements based on the statements of the channel's pro-government telegrams are the ultimate truth.
        Once again I say, do not rush to conclusions. There is no evidence of either this or the opposite.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 16 September 2021 17: 15
          +5
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Some gifted people continue to believe that the media statements based on the statements of the channel's pro-government telegrams are the ultimate truth.
          Once again I say, do not rush to conclusions

          That's for sure. We do not know the business. One thing is clear again with the guests, a misunderstanding. The locals, not believing in the law enforcement system, are trying to decide for themselves. Many here have already condemned him, not knowing the real deeds. Usually everything changes when it touches everyone personally. And from the outside it is always easier.
          Kommersant's sources in law enforcement agencies report that before the attack on the police department, a man opened fire in the village of Volchanskoye, located about 30 km from Liski, in a house on 70 years of October street. According to unofficial information, the victims were members of the Ibragimov family of Kurds who came from Kyrgyzstan.
          1. your1970
            your1970 17 September 2021 11: 45
            +2
            Quote: Tank Hard
            The locals, not believing in the law enforcement system, are trying to decide for themselves.

            Uh-huh ... And as revenge the police are going to blow up the deliberately empty night !!!! - ROVD !!! Not a specific employee who refused protection, not the boss who unsubscribed from the complaint - but an empty district department ????
            Either inadequate or came for a weapon
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 17 September 2021 12: 01
              -3
              Anything is possible, but we do not know anything ... But the people cease to see protection in the police, this is a fact.
        2. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 16 September 2021 18: 19
          -1
          that is, they lie to us about the murdered family?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 16 September 2021 18: 27
            -4
            Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
            that is, they lie to us about the murdered family?

            Maybe yes maybe no. In any case, conclusions can only be drawn on the basis of facts, and not on rumors and versions. And given the fact that the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the official media are engaged, the truth will not emerge soon.
            1. Alexander Seklitsky
              Alexander Seklitsky 16 September 2021 18: 38
              -1
              mmm conspiracy theory and all ... fall ... aggravation ... sympathize
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 16 September 2021 19: 03
                -1
                Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
                conspiracy theory and all ... fall ... aggravation

                For people who are capable of not only eating, but also thinking about it, the time of year is not important. wink
      4. Labrador
        Labrador 16 September 2021 19: 32
        -5
        From the standpoint of the revealed circumstances, it is easy to label comments and their authors as insanity.
        And as for such judgments and assumptions, expressed on the basis of incomplete information, it was not sucked from scratch.
        And besides: if this attack were provoked by the actions of employees, then we would hardly know about it.
      5. Revival
        Revival 17 September 2021 12: 24
        0
        Are you all right with logic?
        At the time of writing those comments / assumptions that you criticize, there was information about the murder of a child?
        No, it was not.
        Nobody justified the murder of a child, do not pull on an owl ..

        And by the way, they guessed with a general message: it seems that he just turned to the authorities, but he was ignored
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 16 September 2021 15: 57
      +10
      I went to the police. There as usual

      "An optimist seeks consolation from a lawyer, a pessimist from a priest, and a realist from a gunsmith "(c)
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 16 September 2021 17: 58
        +6
        Two examples of how to believe the current media.
        The case is in the Crimea. They never showed how they bombed. And from the video that was still provided, you can see how far behind the Russian ship is trying to shoot to the horizon. But they told us something completely different.
        A recent case. First, they talked about the hero in the exercises who saved someone. Then it turns out not a training exercise but a waterfall and saved the operator. A day later, it turned out that he was saving a respected director. And finally the fourth version is the director was trying to save. But no video, no photo of the materials provided.
        Now for today's occasion. What kind of person is this? Does he have a family, close ones? Why conflict?
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 16 September 2021 18: 00
        +3
        Quote: paul3390
        "An optimist seeks consolation from a lawyer, a pessimist from a priest, and a realist from a gunsmith" (c)

        Better than a wrestling coach, there can only be a shooting coach winked
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 17 September 2021 10: 51
      -1
      Quote: Moskovit
      The telegram writes that he had a conflict with the Kurds. I went to the police. There, as usual. I am not making excuses for anyone, but such an ignorance of interethnic clashes can lead to very sad consequences.

      I went to VK on the channel of the city of Liski, there they are only discussing this. I also found these screenshots

  3. Invoce
    Invoce 16 September 2021 15: 20
    -4
    According to the latest information, the attacker is a native of the Kamensky District (Voronezh Region) and an employee of a local private security company (PSC).

    The reason for such a crime is complete incompetence and unwillingness to fulfill their duties according to the position and the labor contract by the police officers! They (employees of this department) not only do not protect citizens, but also neglect their direct duties!
    1. A mentally unbalanced person was given a license to carry weapons and work in a private security company.
    2. The duty officer did not see what was happening in front of the regional department
    3. The duty officer did not announce the alarm and did not stop the penetration of the criminal into the department ...
    in short NIGHTMARE!
    Disperse everyone, and the head of the Department of Internal Affairs of the Voronezh region. fire
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 September 2021 15: 28
      +11
      Where did you get the idea that he has a weapon permit? On granity and IEDs, too, apparently? Everything else is in complete agreement. Provincial small town. Your way. But damn the video, watch. A man came up and looked. How is it in general? This is clearly a policeman. Apparently the poor fellow woke up ...
    2. Retvizan 8
      Retvizan 8 16 September 2021 15: 34
      +18
      I'm not giving you a minus, but I want to correct you. I understand that you want to throw a stone at law enforcement officers, but first of all, in our country, it's not the police for a long time, but the police, or do we live with you in different states?
      Secondly, if he is "mentally unbalanced" then the doctors, not the police, should have hacked his admission.
      Thirdly, where is the penetration into the department? All I see is the explosion of the front door.
      And "disperse everyone" - I will not even comment. request
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 16 September 2021 16: 14
        +9
        Leave for people who grew up in the USSR the right to make mistakes - when a drug addict climbed into the yard, my wife also shouted - "POLICE!"
    3. your1970
      your1970 16 September 2021 15: 37
      +7
      Quote: Invoce
      in short NIGHTMARE!

      Quote: Invoce
      1. A mentally unbalanced person was given a license to carry weapons and work in a private security company.

      A forensic psychiatric examination can last up to six months and does not always give an unambiguous conclusion - crazy or not ...
      Anyone who wants to get a weapon license - do you offer a psychiatric hospital for six months?
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 16 September 2021 15: 43
      +18
      Mentally unbalanced person

      Judging by the fact that the reasons for the conflict are practically not reported - there is somehow not very simple ... Neighbors and policemen are still very different, especially in small towns. Perhaps - the peasant was simply driven to the brink with various cute antics .. And as practice shows, since they are silent, it means that there must be a national issue there .. Plus, the authorities do not want to protect citizens from ethnic organized crime groups ..
      1. alystan
        alystan 16 September 2021 16: 28
        -8
        And some people have already dragged the Kurds through Telegram !?
        Why inflate interethnic problems at all, especially since there is nothing about this in the news?
        Is international squabbles worse / better than national ones?
        Or if a migrant has done something like that, atu all the Gentiles, and this will certainly count.
        And if he does something of his own against those who have come in large numbers, then "there certainly is a national question ..."
      2. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 16 September 2021 16: 36
        0
        OPG composed of a woman and a young child? And the fact that there are ethnic OPGs, no one hid it, this is already a given, and a long-standing one ..
        And the person on duty was clearly asleep, here of course it flies in full
        1. raw174
          raw174 16 September 2021 17: 04
          0
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          the attendant was clearly asleep, then of course it flies in full

          There, like on guard, there is a resting shift and a waking one. So it's not a fact that it's flying.
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 16 September 2021 17: 07
            +1
            In the duty room there is a duty officer and his assistant, and the members of the duty operational-investigative group in their offices, and the follower may be at home
            1. raw174
              raw174 16 September 2021 17: 16
              0
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              There is a duty officer and his assistant in the duty room

              As far as I know, at night they are on duty and rest.
      3. CYM
        CYM 16 September 2021 18: 46
        +3
        Yes, she is still obviously "an ordinary everyday conflict" with the murder of an entire family and (or) the subsequent undermining of the police department, everyday life, routine. https://voronezh.sledcom.ru/news/item/1610474/ sad And at the same time, the supposed arrow has not yet been detained. And then another Kondopoga or Kushchevka will probably emerge.
    5. raw174
      raw174 16 September 2021 17: 13
      +6
      Quote: Invoce
      A mentally unbalanced person was given a license to carry weapons and work in a private security company.
      2. The duty officer did not see what was happening in front of the regional department
      3. The attendant did not announce the alarm and did not stop the penetration of the

      1. A weapon permit and a security guard's license are issued by the Ros Guard, of course after honey. commissions ...
      2. Do you think the duty officer sits and looks at the monitor of the surveillance cameras? I don’t think the criminal stood there for 20 minutes ...
      3. There was no penetration. And who said that the alarm was not announced? Will announce what? Don't you think that it takes time for the personnel to get together, or do you think that there is a platoon of cops in the department? No, there, in a small town, no more than 3-5 people, taking into account the night time.
    6. Obliterator
      Obliterator 16 September 2021 19: 53
      +6
      Quote: Invoce
      The reason for such a crime is complete incompetence and unwillingness to fulfill their duties according to the position and the labor contract by the police officers! They (employees of this department) not only do not protect citizens, but also neglect their direct duties!
      1. A mentally unbalanced person was given a license to carry weapons and work in a private security company.
      2. The duty officer did not see what was happening in front of the regional department
      3. The duty officer did not announce the alarm and did not stop the penetration of the criminal into the department ...
      in short NIGHTMARE!
      Disperse everyone, and the head of the Department of Internal Affairs of the Voronezh region. fire

      I also found an expert overclocker. You don't know how to work "on the ground", but you start waving a sword here. The person on duty at this time most likely sticks into the office computer and issues a summary for the regional duty officer, the assistant on duty completes his rest hours, members of the SOG either sleep in their offices or ride on the road. OBO outfits are on duty somewhere in the city, or at work. Sometimes there may be no outfits of the PPS or traffic police in small towns at all. To prevent penetration into the department, when the door is taken out with explosives, the duty officer is simply not able to. His job is to guard the duty unit, the CWC and prevent the intruder there.
      1. Invoce
        Invoce 17 September 2021 13: 55
        -2
        I see a competent person from the police is writing! smile
        If the duty officer is stuffing something on the computer, and does not fulfill his duties according to the instructions, then the duty service is organized "not"
        If all that you write about the organization of SOG services, ATS, especially the traffic police - (which are almost everywhere where there are drivers, but they are not engaged in the prevention of violations on the roads and not the safety of DDs, they are engaged in the Voronezh, Rostov Regions, Krasnodar Territories) too objectively - why then are they needed AT ALL? like Zhvanetsky? A restaurant for cooks, a shop for a seller, a bus for a driver, and the Police for the head of the Department of Internal Affairs, the Governor ??? to receive salary? I am to those who work in the police-police HONEST! I have great respect, but more and more often I come across those who justify their actions and crimes with the conditions created by someone else, incl. boss, circumstances (you need to live like that! Mortgages, children need to be raised ...) or simply hating everyone around them because their superiors humiliate them.
        They cannot work honestly and efficiently - I repeat, let them leave by themselves. If they leave, they will dismiss their superiors, and kick those who create conditions for the police that would allow them to violate the Law, not to protect Russian citizens from criminals ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 17 September 2021 18: 54
          +1
          Quote: Invoce
          especially the traffic police - (which are almost everywhere where there are drivers,

          There are 3 people and 2 (!!!!!!) vacancies - really existing ... Moreover, these are 5 for 3 districts ...
          This also happens ...
          1. Obliterator
            Obliterator 18 September 2021 13: 31
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            There are 3 people and 2 (!!!!!!) vacancies - really existing ... Moreover, these are 5 for 3 districts ...
            This also happens ...

            Yes Easy. And with the next reduction, they will be cut in the first place. Or the managers from the management will decide that since the positions are empty, then why not remove them altogether here, and instead introduce something at their place.
        2. raw174
          raw174 18 September 2021 13: 05
          +1
          Quote: Invoce
          If all that you write about the organization of SOG services, PPP, especially the traffic police -

          I live in an area in which there are about 25 thousand people, a little more than a third live in the regional center. There is no patrol service at all, the traffic police is on duty with one crew per area from 08 am to 02 am, all drivers know this. OVOs are now in the Russian Guard and do not work with the police. It's not even clear who works in the police, but vacancies there are above the roof ...
        3. Obliterator
          Obliterator 18 September 2021 13: 27
          +1
          Quote: Invoce
          If the duty officer is stuffing something on the computer, and does not fulfill his duties according to the instructions, then the duty service is organized "not"

          And to fill out the official documentation is his duty according to the instructions. He will not provide information about the operational situation on the territory - he will receive a hat not only from his local chief, but from even the general he may fly.
          Quote: Invoce
          about the organization of SOG services, PPS, especially the traffic police

          Say thank you to the reformers who considered that there are too many police officers in Russia, and therefore reduced them so much that in small towns they are sometimes unable to provide round-the-clock duty of these external services. SOG is always there, but it is usually one per district, and there are many citizens with their family scandals, corpses, thefts and other routine.
          Quote: Invoce
          I am to those who work in the police-police HONEST! I have great respect, but more and more often I come across those who justify their actions and crimes with the conditions created by someone else, incl. boss, circumstances (you need to live like that! Mortgages, children need to be raised ...) or simply hating everyone around them because their superiors humiliate them.

          The police are a slice of our society. Falling into criminal capitalism and imprisoned for ostentatious work and beautiful reports.
          Quote: Invoce
          They cannot work honestly and efficiently - I repeat, let them leave by themselves. If they leave, they will dismiss their superiors, and kick those who create conditions for the police that would allow them to violate the Law, not to protect Russian citizens from criminals ...

          The law enforcement system is slowly falling apart. Open the official websites of the regional departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (except for the southern regions) - there are a lot of vacancies. Nobody knows what to do with this and where to get new normal employees.
    7. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 16 September 2021 21: 58
      -1
      Quote: Invoce
      According to the latest information, the attacker is a native of the Kamensky District (Voronezh Region) and an employee of a local private security company (PSC).

      The reason for such a crime is complete incompetence and unwillingness to fulfill their duties according to the position and the labor contract by the police officers! They (employees of this department) not only do not protect citizens, but also neglect their direct duties!
      1. A mentally unbalanced person was given a license to carry weapons and work in a private security company.
      2. The duty officer did not see what was happening in front of the regional department
      3. The duty officer did not announce the alarm and did not stop the penetration of the criminal into the department ...
      in short NIGHTMARE!
      Disperse everyone, and the head of the Department of Internal Affairs of the Voronezh region. fire

      This is not the nightmare, but the fact that the cops put a bolt on both this man and his problem, and the migrants whom he killed brought him to such a state that he essentially put his life on the altar with them. I would write what I think about these cops and these migrants and what else had to be done, but for this they can actually be imprisoned
      1. your1970
        your1970 17 September 2021 18: 56
        +2
        Quote: Vol4ara
        the cops put a bolt on this guy and on his problem as well.
        so he blew up the door out of revenge ??????? !!!!! At night????!!!
        Strong revenge, yeah ...
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 17 September 2021 20: 38
          -1
          Quote: your1970
          Quote: Vol4ara
          the cops put a bolt on this guy and on his problem as well.
          so he blew up the door out of revenge ??????? !!!!! At night????!!!
          Strong revenge, yeah ...

          So I'm talking about the same, if I went for broke then take an example from the Norwegian
    8. Bolo
      Bolo 16 September 2021 22: 07
      +1
      Or maybe Kolokoltseva right away? ...
    9. Xscorpion
      Xscorpion 17 September 2021 12: 49
      0
      Quote: Invoce
      According to the latest information, the attacker is a native of the Kamensky District (Voronezh Region) and an employee of a local private security company (PSC).

      The reason for such a crime is complete incompetence and unwillingness to fulfill their duties according to the position and the labor contract by the police officers! They (employees of this department) not only do not protect citizens, but also neglect their direct duties!
      1. A mentally unbalanced person was given a license to carry weapons and work in a private security company.
      2. The duty officer did not see what was happening in front of the regional department
      3. The duty officer did not announce the alarm and did not stop the penetration of the criminal into the department ...
      in short NIGHTMARE!
      Disperse everyone, and the head of the Department of Internal Affairs of the Voronezh region. fire

      1. At the time of obtaining a license, a person may be normal, but after a day, under the influence of a certain factor, physical or psychological, he may receive mental abnormalities.
      2. Where does the information come from that the duty officer did not see? The fact that he did not run out? So his task is to alert and call the duty group. He is forbidden to leave the post, his main weapon is a telephone.
      3. There was no penetration into the building. Well, I described the tasks of the duty officer above, he was not obliged to detain anyone, moreover, he is prohibited from doing this, since he has his own range of duties.
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 16 September 2021 15: 22
    +5
    It looks like in Liski it is necessary to check the work of the police, they hang a bomb on their door, but they do not even look at the monitors. Now they would have stopped him professionally, there are a lot of fields among the people. And what are two doing in the frame after the explosion. Are they waiting for the second?
    1. Niko
      Niko 16 September 2021 15: 35
      -5
      Quote: tralflot1832
      It looks like in Liski it is necessary to check the work of the police, they hang a bomb on their door, but they do not even look at the monitors. Now they would have stopped him professionally, there are a lot of fields among the people. And what are two doing in the frame after the explosion. Are they waiting for the second?

      If he "after that" went and killed someone, these superheroes in epaulets should definitely be planted
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 16 September 2021 15: 39
        +2
        After that, he went to the village and killed three people. Already a tower.
        1. alystan
          alystan 16 September 2021 17: 03
          +3
          It should be so, but now everything is decided by judges and lawyers, a kind of modern "sweet" couple.
          Remember the case of an attack by a pedophile on a child and the one who beat off this child from that monster? And how the story ended, too, probably remember - I was imprisoned for 15 years, I don't remember exactly, but that for a long time the savior thundered, yes !? And where is the vaunted fair judicial system, and where is the fool of the child ombudsman who rushed into the deputies, and where is the vaunted protector of children and the guarantor of everything? He forgives businessmen, holders of many foreign passports immediately signs the necessary laws and why is he so needed (in this particular case)?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 September 2021 15: 37
      +8
      Well, they ran out into the street after the first explosion - and they would have received a bullet from the attacker, he most likely counted on it.
    3. alystan
      alystan 16 September 2021 16: 35
      +2
      At 5:30 in the morning, the duty officer dozed off, and the town is still small, just a little more than 50 thousand people.
    4. Achilles
      Achilles 16 September 2021 19: 14
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      It looks like in Liski it is necessary to check the work of the police, they hang a bomb on their door, but they do not even look at the monitors.

      There is a video of how he was laying, there are a few seconds and that's all, then he leaves (he drove up, walked from the car to the door for 18 seconds, laid down 10 seconds in the well and ran off for 3 seconds and an explosion, just a little more than 30 seconds), which monitors? + at 5:30 am. Video on telegram channels: (Earlier than all. Well, almost.), Solovyov too, RT - Video appeared around 11: 30-11: 40
  5. Hog
    Hog 16 September 2021 15: 24
    +13
    At the same time, it is argued that he had previously applied to the police with a request for some kind of help in "resolving the problem with neighbors."

    You can say hello to the district policeman, if they took measures during the time, but at least paid attention, perhaps nothing would have happened.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 September 2021 15: 39
      -6
      This is a crazy person - the district police officer would not help in any way, only the rally from the coils of this type may have been postponed, and even then not for long.
      1. Hog
        Hog 16 September 2021 16: 10
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        This is a crazy person - the district police officer would not help in any way, only the rally from the coils of this type may have been postponed, and even then not for long.

        Most of the killers are very sane people, so your conclusion is rather controversial.
    2. I am not a robot
      I am not a robot 16 September 2021 18: 15
      -1
      and what measures the district police officer could take?
      1. faiver
        faiver 16 September 2021 18: 48
        +2
        So can disperse all the precinct? They turn out to be useless ...
        1. I am not a robot
          I am not a robot 16 September 2021 19: 02
          +1
          accelerate. how can a district police officer settle the quarrel of neighbors, he had to put them in prison, shoot them or what?
          1. faiver
            faiver 16 September 2021 19: 27
            -1
            how can a district police officer settle the quarrel of neighbors,
            - according to law
            1. I am not a robot
              I am not a robot 16 September 2021 19: 34
              -1
              and what is written about this in the law, I just do not know, can you enlighten?
            2. Obliterator
              Obliterator 16 September 2021 19: 58
              +2
              Quote: faiver
              - according to law

              Quite often, neighbors' quarrels do not fall under the law, and the district police officer is not really able to help there.
              1. your1970
                your1970 17 September 2021 11: 50
                0
                Quote: Obliterator
                Quote: faiver
                - according to law

                Quite often, neighbors' quarrels do not fall under the law, and the district police officer is not really able to help there.

                We have neighbors - judges since 1972 years because of the garage at the junction of the sites (77 and 82 years). They measured their Plots down to a millimeter, both use laser rangefinders, they know the cadastral business inside and out ...
                They ALL went to them a hundred times during this time.
  6. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 16 September 2021 15: 25
    -4
    Province. Came up and looked what went bang. The circus is simple.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 16 September 2021 15: 29
      +12
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Province. Came up and looked what went bang. The circus is simple.

      Well, yes. But in the "centers" everything is different ... There all employees are especially vigilant, all conflicts between neighbors are resolved and the detection rate is generally 200% ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 16 September 2021 15: 42
        -4
        I somehow did not have the opportunity to visit the department at night for the last 15 years, but due to my wild youth, after being stopped by the traffic cops, I was brought to the department at one o'clock in the morning. I confess I was arrogant and not quite sober. Then he was sent to the commandant's office) but there was a vigorous duty officer. Two PPS cars on the street. Negotiations, calls even to the duty room. The vanity is shorter.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 16 September 2021 15: 58
          +4
          was arrogant and not quite sober

          Has anything changed dramatically now? wink laughing
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 16 September 2021 16: 00
            +1
            I have not drunk or smoke for a long time. As the first was born) in December 10 years) and the impudence also passed a long time ago. But again, because of the birth of children. Somehow everything changed by itself. Even just driving a car has changed.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 16 September 2021 16: 01
              +1
              Long time no drink or smoke

              Eh .. Me too ... recourse drinks
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 16 September 2021 16: 09
                0
                I somehow even hate to imagine that my daughters can see me like this. My drug is now three otters and their mother is an infection of a rare color) here and without alcohol, brains float)))
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 16 September 2021 16: 16
                  +8
                  As Mikh.Mikh said. - a non-drinker is suspicious, he is either abandoned to us or from us.. wink
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 16 September 2021 16: 30
                    -1
                    Yeah) when there are only women around you, all these suspicions are of little value) Here you need to feel)
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 16 September 2021 16: 20
                +3
                Quote: paul3390
                Long time no drink or smoke

                Eh .. Me too ...

                Yesterday I "went too far" with tasting chacha ... This morning I vowed never to drink chacha! In front of his wife's eyes, he deliberately poured all the chacha (of different "varieties" ...) into one bottle and placed it in the far corner of the closet under the musical accompaniment of a tambourine and a jew's harp! Will you take the third one?
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 16 September 2021 16: 22
                  +6
                  This morning I vowed never to drink chacha

                  We passed this a hundred times, such vows .. wink Nooo - to quit drinking, you need intrinsic motivation .. what For example, for me, the process just stopped giving pleasure at some point, probably - this is old age, like I drank my own .. recourse
                  1. Andrey VOV
                    Andrey VOV 16 September 2021 16: 40
                    +1
                    And I, after covid, like only beer and that is sensitive and rare .. No matter what the desire, no mood, even on Friday night! Trouble !!
                  2. region58
                    region58 18 September 2021 00: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: paul3390
                    the process just ceased to be enjoyable at some point

                    O! Likewise. True, sometimes you remember beer, Soviet, vigorous ... buy it, take a couple of sips - no, neither the taste, nor the smell is the same ... you will calm down for two years ...
                2. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 16 September 2021 16: 27
                  0
                  It doesn't work like that))) You need to drain where you can't get it))))) As they say, it's easy to quit smoking. I've already thrown 20 times)))))
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 16 September 2021 15: 28
    .
    And these clowns work in the police, they are not able to protect themselves, let alone the population. You have to chase them with a filthy broom.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 September 2021 15: 44
      +4
      And what would you do in their place - probably immediately ran into the street to attack an armed attacker in the forehead, who has rifle arms and grenades alongside.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 16 September 2021 16: 17
        -8
        They did not even see who was rummaging around the department and what was doing there. Do not fucking protect them, I came across, I know.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 16 September 2021 16: 40
          +5
          Well, yes, to disperse everyone, and what, instead of them, some special ones will be sent from Mars?
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 16 September 2021 18: 22
            -6
            To disperse these for sure. negative
      2. sergo1914
        sergo1914 16 September 2021 16: 42
        -2
        Quote: Vadim237
        And what would you do in their place - probably immediately ran into the street to attack an armed attacker in the forehead, who has rifle arms and grenades alongside.


        What are they getting paid for? For what are hiding under the tables?
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 16 September 2021 17: 01
          +7
          And for the fact that under the trunks they call to Work. They pay for that too. And they are awarded posthumously.
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 16 September 2021 17: 05
            0
            Quote: Okolotochny
            And for the fact that under the trunks they call to Work. They pay for that too. And they are awarded posthumously.


            One. One called to work under the trunks. No need for pathos. And if this miner went to mine kindergartens? But the police officers bravely sat out behind closed doors. Why arrest the violator? You yourself can suffer. Let the civilians get wet. It’s not a pity for them. So what?
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 16 September 2021 17: 40
              +7
              sergo1914 (Sergey)
              Today, 17: 05

              One. One called to work under the trunks. No pathos needed


              In total, over 12 thousand families of the victims are under the patronage of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in which 5,5 thousand children are being brought up.

              One??? Fear God.
              1. sergo1914
                sergo1914 16 September 2021 19: 14
                -1
                Quote: Okolotochny
                sergo1914 (Sergey)
                Today, 17: 05

                One. One called to work under the trunks. No pathos needed


                In total, over 12 thousand families of the victims are under the patronage of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in which 5,5 thousand children are being brought up.

                One??? Fear God.


                Well, the devil is, as usual, in the little things. "More than 1,4 thousand" werewolves in uniform "were brought to trial in corruption cases in 2020, the press service of the Investigative Committee of Russia reported." How many murders were committed by law enforcement officers? How many people died under the wheels, cars piloted by drunken employees? Bosses' kids? How many of them are actually villages? Let's not build young dreamers out of ourselves.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 17 September 2021 11: 57
                  0
                  Quote: sergo1914
                  how many murders were committed by law enforcement officials? How many people died under the wheels, cars piloted by drunken employees? Bosses' kids? How many of them are actually villages? Let's not build young dreamers out of ourselves.

                  Come on !!!!!!!!
                  It is quite enough that in the absolute USSR the cops on Zhdanovskaya beat the major (!!!!) of the KGB (!!!!!!)) to death ...
                  Again - major (!!!!!!!) KGB (!!!!!!). .
                  Simple a person, a hard worker - they would definitely re-personalize without hesitation

                  The third secretary of the district party committee in our square killed two small children with a boo in 1978 ...
                  He sat down .. in another area as an instructor of the district committee ... with a decrease, eprst ...
                  The area was on the ears for a week, the mother of the children went crazy ...
                  1. sergo1914
                    sergo1914 17 September 2021 12: 12
                    0
                    Quote: your1970
                    Quote: sergo1914
                    how many murders were committed by law enforcement officials? How many people died under the wheels, cars piloted by drunken employees? Bosses' kids? How many of them are actually villages? Let's not build young dreamers out of ourselves.

                    Come on !!!!!!!!
                    It is quite enough that in the absolute USSR the cops on Zhdanovskaya beat the major (!!!!) of the KGB (!!!!!!)) to death ...
                    Again - major (!!!!!!!) KGB (!!!!!!). .
                    Simple a person, a hard worker - they would definitely re-personalize without hesitation

                    The third secretary of the district party committee in our square killed two small children with a boo in 1978 ...
                    He sat down .. in another area as an instructor of the district committee ... with a decrease, eprst ...
                    The area was on the ears for a week, the mother of the children went crazy ...


                    What does the USSR have to do with it? Why translate arrows? Talk about the current reality. The USSR no longer exists. The party and its secretaries remained. Repainted only. And there are no laws on them. They make up the laws themselves.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 17 September 2021 12: 22
                      0
                      Quote: sergo1914
                      What does the USSR have to do with it?

                      Despite the fact that the cops' chaos-was always !!!!!!!
                      And under the tsars, it was the same ... "Do not renounce your wallet and prison!"
                      And with the children of the bosses it was the same ... Always ...
                      And there will always be ... Whoever comes to power tomorrow
        2. sergo1914
          sergo1914 17 September 2021 20: 45
          -2
          Quote: sergo1914
          Quote: Vadim237
          And what would you do in their place - probably immediately ran into the street to attack an armed attacker in the forehead, who has rifle arms and grenades alongside.


          What are they getting paid for? For what are hiding under the tables?


          Garbage, what are the cons? Am I wrong?
      3. CYM
        CYM 16 September 2021 22: 07
        +3
        That's it. 19.12.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX such jumped out on the arrow on the Lubyanka, two were killed, five were injured.
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 17 September 2021 12: 14
          -2
          Quote: CYM
          That's it. 19.12.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX such jumped out on the arrow on the Lubyanka, two were killed, five were injured.


          One shooter. Could it be about training?
          1. CYM
            CYM 17 September 2021 13: 27
            0
            Cadres are everything. Below is a link to the statistics of quantitative and salary growth among the security forces. The emphasis is clearly not on quality, but on quantity. I will not comment on this policy, because it is fraught ... negative
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 16 September 2021 15: 30
    +11
    After addressing the bike theft, the words: "What are you talking about?" and persuading to evaluate the mountain "GT", on which tires have just been installed (mileage no more than 100 km) with a total cost (by check) of 2 rubles, two and a half thousand, I realized that there was no real police in the city and there is no ...
    Therefore, I try not to analyze all the topics related to it.
  9. Maximilian37
    Maximilian37 16 September 2021 15: 34
    .
    [quote = Invoce] [quote] ......
    Disperse everyone, and the head of the Department of Internal Affairs of the Voronezh region. dismiss [/ quote]

    And then assign him a "hero of Russia". Although he is not a minister, the "Order of Courage" will come down. )))
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 16 September 2021 15: 55
      +8
      I think it's time for you to hand over the Order of the Stooped for Fights in Tyrnet, contact your employer, or a doctor, tell me, it's time! laughing
  10. Doccor18
    Doccor18 16 September 2021 15: 35
    +8
    It is too early to comment. Little is known.
    Somehow recently I visited the police stations. Fortress. It is very difficult to enter. It's even harder to get out. Heavy metal doors with magnetic locks are everywhere and everywhere. This is in great contrast to what the police departments were 20-30 years ago. One could easily go in and ask a question of interest.
    Now even "fortresses" do not help. Criminals are attacking departments. What is the reason? Of course, you need to understand in each specific case ...
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 16 September 2021 16: 43
      +3
      Here, I remember two years in a row, a local blessed woman calmly came into the department and wandered about reading Yesenin's poems .. This is 96 .. At 97 already kirdyk, the second entrance was closed up, the door was put on duty, you will open the dressing room, where the witnesses summoned for questioning or the victim waited until you come for them
    2. CYM
      CYM 16 September 2021 21: 37
      0
      Now even "fortresses" do not help. Criminals are attacking departments. What is the reason?
      Maybe the fact that the people's militia was finally renamed the professional police? And our people do not like policemen at the genetic level. Well, the statistics on the security forces in general are such themselves. https://www.proekt.media/research/zarplata-siloviki/ winked
    3. sergo1914
      sergo1914 17 September 2021 20: 46
      -3
      Quote: Doccor18
      Now even "fortresses" do not help. Criminals are attacking departments. What is the reason?


      So it is safer to spud grannies and drisha with truncheons.
  11. BAI
    BAI 16 September 2021 15: 36
    +5
    Right now I was driving Ostrogozhsk-Kamenki-Rossosh and back. There were patrols everywhere, we were also stopped. In Ostrogozhsk, like a school, they evacuated - I saw one class of young children on the street at 9-00. In Kamenki, schools work, but no one is allowed behind the fence, the parents are waiting on the street.
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 16 September 2021 15: 41
    +1
    Again, nothing is really known, except that the man seems to have come to take revenge on the police for inaction.
    1. MTZ 80
      MTZ 80 16 September 2021 15: 44
      0
      This guy killed a 5 year old child
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 16 September 2021 15: 53
        0
        This is not a man, but just some kind of .... And by the way, where are all the defenders of this inadequate (the question is not for you)?
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 16 September 2021 16: 00
          -3
          Inadequate defenders silently minus! hi
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 16 September 2021 16: 19
            +5
            Why in silence? Catch! And on the case - we do not know a damn what happened there and what was the reason. Therefore, in such a scenario, I would not immediately throw accusations of inadequacy.
            1. VORON538
              VORON538 16 September 2021 16: 24
              -2
              That is, in your opinion, entering the department with a firearm and smacking at employees is the behavior of an adequate person? You are not very far from him. Mine is similar to you. hi
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 16 September 2021 18: 42
                -5
                That is, in your opinion, enter the department with a firearm and smack at the employees
                Do you have confirmation of your lie?
                1. your1970
                  your1970 17 September 2021 12: 07
                  +2
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  That is, in your opinion, enter the department with a firearm and smack at the employees
                  Do you have confirmation of your lie?

                  There is also an iron one - time attacks. Who wants to take revenge - I would either go to the house of an employee (50 people and everyone knows who and where lives) or go to the ROVD in the afternoon. Or he took revenge on the blown-up door - for the chaos ????
            2. gurzuf
              gurzuf 16 September 2021 16: 36
              +2
              Give at least one reason why it was possible to understand him for the murders?
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 16 September 2021 16: 43
                +5
                For example, if they tried to kill your family and burn down your house. Not? Once again, we don't know anything about what happened, so it's a bit early to glue labels ..
                1. MTZ 80
                  MTZ 80 16 September 2021 16: 52
                  -2
                  For example - if they tried to kill your family and burn down your house.
                  Who is a 5 year old child. Can't you see the shores at all?
                2. gurzuf
                  gurzuf 17 September 2021 17: 04
                  +2
                  Are you going to kill a 5-year-old child for his attempt to kill your family and burn down your house?
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 16 September 2021 15: 54
        -2
        Quote: MTZ 80
        This guy killed a 5 year old child

        Was he himself present at the time of the murder?
      3. purple
        purple 16 September 2021 16: 15
        +7
        Quote: MTZ 80
        This guy killed a 5 year old child

        do not hurry...
        A photo of the alleged offender circulated on the Internet turned out to be a man who was not involved in the crimes. The police interrogated and released him, specifies the Telegram channel "112".


        I think here the police covered the national people as usual ... someone just got the edge
        1. I am not a robot
          I am not a robot 16 September 2021 19: 06
          +1
          why should the police cover national minorities
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 16 September 2021 16: 59
        0
        Quote: MTZ 80
        This guy killed a 5 year old child

        Is there any proof? Maybe you shouldn't draw conclusions ahead of time?
        1. 41 REGION
          41 REGION 16 September 2021 17: 51
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Is there any proof? Maybe you shouldn't draw conclusions ahead of time?

          hi here, as usual, the hottest first have conclusions
  13. rotfuks
    rotfuks 16 September 2021 15: 43
    +14
    Judging by information from independent sources, this man had previously contacted the police more than once because of conflicts with neighbors. But the neighbors were from the same influential national diaspora, so the police simply ignored the conflict and did not come. He blew up the police door to wake up the police. Usually we see how the diaspora destroyed a local resident. And then we see that the local resident survived. This is very rare.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 September 2021 15: 53
      -1
      I wonder how he was destroyed by two children from this so-called diaspora whom he killed? The first explosion is for the police to wake up - and the second is to see an explosion to inspire the awakened police.
      1. rotfuks
        rotfuks 16 September 2021 16: 02
        +8
        We don't know the details. But the fact is that the conflict was on ethnic grounds. An influential diaspora knows how to fight its neighbors. And usually the diaspora wins. A couple of years ago in the Oryol region, an Armenian shop owner killed two Georgians who came to him with a showdown. As a result, the media turned the store owner into a hardworking farmer, and the governor personally presented him with an award for fighting organized crime.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 September 2021 18: 51
          0
          Yes, apparently the children came to this and sorted out the relationship with him - since he killed them.
          1. rotfuks
            rotfuks 16 September 2021 21: 50
            0
            I remember that three from the Georgian diaspora came to the showdown. He killed two with a kitchen knife and the third, seriously wounded, fled. But anyway it looks strange. He killed two and was rewarded for it by the governor,
      2. Revival
        Revival 17 September 2021 12: 40
        -1
        Two children?
        Well, no doubt 5 years, but 20 years ..
  14. prior
    prior 16 September 2021 16: 15
    -5
    This is how Putin's stability is.
    A mess everywhere, a mess in everything.
    And together we all live in it ...
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 16 September 2021 16: 20
      +6
      Before the collapse of the USSR, the massacre in interethnic conflicts in the "fraternal republics", then the Caucasus, brothers in the markets and shooting in the streets in the 90s, is this also Putin?
      1. prior
        prior 16 September 2021 16: 25
        +6
        Maybe I missed something, maybe Putin condemned Gorbachev or Yeltsin?
        He's a "non-pride" who proudly carries the banner that Yeltsin has picked up.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 16 September 2021 16: 45
          +1
          You compare soft to cold
          1. prior
            prior 16 September 2021 16: 53
            0
            Without a normal human ideology in the country, everything quickly turns into both warm and soft.
            The usual bestial relationship, man to man is a wolf.
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 16 September 2021 17: 02
              +8
              There was an ideology in the days of the USSR, alas, they killed and robbed, ideology alone cannot solve the problem
        2. VORON538
          VORON538 17 September 2021 13: 20
          0
          Here, at least let it pass, at least run it, I do not justify any of you listed, BUT: they cut not by order from above, but at their own request on the spot. People gathered in a flock and went to rob and kill. The existing system could not make homo sapiens a man of labor, since there were so many lovers of easy money among the masses. And it's not about the head of state, and under Stalin there were enough bandits, it's about the people themselves. Here we make fun of the Ukrainians, they say, freebies They are waiting and Moscow is to blame for everything. And what is expected here? And who is to blame? Someone is Putin, someone is a hozdep, but what are you?
  15. purple
    purple 16 September 2021 16: 17
    +5
    Quote: Vadim237
    I wonder how he was destroyed by two children from this so-called diaspora whom he killed? The first explosion is for the police to wake up - and the second is to see an explosion to inspire the awakened police.

    the nationalities of our children do not regret ... but on the contrary hunt ... take off your rose-colored glasses
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 September 2021 18: 57
      -1
      What kind of your children do they hunt and even more so they kill - are they not those children who scoff at monuments, shoot at their peers, go to provocative rallies and commit various crimes.
  16. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 16 September 2021 16: 18
    +11
    Even additional information does not clarify the motives, although it does not affect the assessment of the act itself. We don't know what happened earlier. What kind of diaspora is it, to what extent it is able to influence the decisions of local structures, what is the status of the injured family in this diaspora. The main thing is the consequences of a certain conflict between the suspect and representatives of a certain diaspora, and this conflict could have lasted for quite a long time, have a number of serious criminal-legal consequences that were ignored or covered up by local lawyers. It is also not clear why the full details of the suspect have not yet been indicated, because in fact he is known and should be put on the wanted list.
  17. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 16 September 2021 16: 20
    +3
    Explosion video (Baza):

    And the officers responded promptly: an explosion at 0:02, and at 0:10, the contours of a policeman with a submachine gun are already visible on the right side.
  18. gurzuf
    gurzuf 16 September 2021 16: 39
    +3
    Quote: purple
    I think here the police covered the national people as usual ... someone just got the edge

    As a rule, disputes between neighbors, by jurisdiction, are within the competence of the court. So that you can think anything you want in the absence of complete information.
  19. Graz
    Graz 16 September 2021 16: 43
    +4
    The police should work with people on the ground, go to the people, and not grow assholes in offices, then there will be much less such situations, like other domestic conflicts and conflicts on ethnic grounds.
  20. fiberboard
    fiberboard 16 September 2021 17: 00
    +8
    The man tried to solve the problem legally, but you can't argue against the diaspora, everything is tied to them. Putin and United Russia banned Russian national-patriotic organizations, dispersed the skinheads. A few days ago, a Russian woman was raped and killed in the suburbs, migrants. So what, who was punished? Now we see what bitterness interethnic strife can cause, even if a child is killed. And to understand what will happen with the nationalist explosion in Russia. But what should we, Russians, do if in Novosibirsk sixty cars with horsemen are blocking a police station? I think that such incidents will only happen more often if Putin and his company do not teach diaspora members to live according to the laws of the state, and not according to the laws of the diasporas.
    1. purple
      purple 16 September 2021 17: 03
      0
      According to the interlocutor of the publication, the attack on the family took place on the night of September 16. The murder was committed because of a domestic conflict. The body of 59-year-old Gulistan Ibragimova and her two children with gunshot wounds were found at 07:33 after the attack on the site.


      well, yes, there is an interethnic conflict, due to the inaction of the police ...
      The question is why this police is needed then?
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  21. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 16 September 2021 17: 22
    0
    I cautiously did not express myself in the previous topic on this matter, I know that the reality is not always simple - it happens in different ways. Instant response and condemnation or justification is the lot of those who benefit from it. And who benefits from it?
  22. dedusik
    dedusik 16 September 2021 17: 40
    +2
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Quote: Retvizan 8
    For me there is no excuse for a man raising his hand to a child

    And if the person was in a state of passion? And it turned out "somehow by itself"?

    Of course, even children do not work. negative
  23. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 16 September 2021 18: 28
    -3
    If this happened in the West, all the details would be known and a bunch of photos. There is a problem with information in Russia.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 September 2021 19: 00
      +3
      It would have been the same there - the criminal would have disappeared and they would have been looking for him in a similar situation, although there could have been much more victims because all kinds of weapons are sold there in mountains.
    2. your1970
      your1970 18 September 2021 09: 17
      0
      Quote: Alex Justice
      If this happened in the West, all the details would be known and a bunch of photos. There is a problem with information in Russia.

      A mountain of information and video from the scene of the emergency ... Where did you see the problem?
  24. Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 September 2021 19: 03
    -1
    Video from the scene of the attack on the regional department.

    [media = https: //youtu.be/uvcJ-7ZENlQ]

    wink
  25. senima56
    senima56 16 September 2021 20: 45
    -3
    "When he was attaching an explosive device to the door of the district department, none of the employees, as shown by the surveillance camera, did not take any preventive action." How is that ?! Were you asleep ?! fool negative
    1. rotfuks
      rotfuks 16 September 2021 21: 51
      +1
      do you think at 5 in the morning there is work in full swing?
  26. rotfuks
    rotfuks 16 September 2021 21: 58
    +1
    Now everything depends on how influential the diaspora is. If a man contacted an influential diaspora, then the diaspora will connect the right people to the media and we will learn a lot of new things. We will surely find out that he raped and mocked those killed for a long time. And then he killed them. As in the story with the Khachaturian family of Muscovites. As soon as the daughters cold-bloodedly stabbed their sleeping father, it turned out that their father had been raping them for a long time and methodically. The patricides were not even identified in the pre-trial detention center, so they have been sitting at home for a year in front of the TV, awaiting trial.
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 September 2021 12: 15
      0
      Quote: rotfuks
      Now everything depends on how influential the diaspora is.

      Quote: rotfuks
      As in the story with the Khachaturian family of Muscovites. As soon as the daughters cold-bloodedly stabbed their sleeping father, it turned out that their father had been raping them for a long time and methodically.

      I am too eager to ask - their daddy's Diaspora protects ???? !!!!!! Or have they gone over to some other? fool
      1. rotfuks
        rotfuks 17 September 2021 23: 46
        +1
        it is hard to say. Their mother is Moldovan. So the diaspora is Moldovan. But there, the cost of my father's Moscow apartment will balance any diaspora.
        1. your1970
          your1970 18 September 2021 09: 15
          0
          Quote: rotfuks
          Their mother is Moldovan. So the Moldovan diaspora

          Well, let's just say - the Armenian diaspora is much richer than the Moldovan one. Much..
          So I won't be surprised if it was they who harassed dad ... belay
          1. rotfuks
            rotfuks 18 September 2021 11: 59
            +1
            the daughters were obviously coveting dad's wallet. Because only dad dragged money into the house. And the mares were lazy even to go to school. At some stage, the daughters spent a lot of money from their father's bank account and so that their father would not punish them, they simply killed him. And then they came up with a version of the harassment by the Pope. And when dad is over 60 and has diabetes and arrhythmia, what kind of harassment is there. Their lawyers are clearly defending them with an international bias. And public opinion turned in favor of the parricide daughters.
  27. Ela myaushkina
    Ela myaushkina 18 September 2021 03: 11
    +1
    Chauvinists and xenophobes "Slavic" will run up to justify the actions of the "Slavic" "criminal", they say, they got the person, both non-Russians and migrants, and local authorities in the form of police, ignoring his appeals, because he had a national question ... man against strangers, and therefore enemies, but the authorities turned a blind eye to all this, not listening to his appeals, and therefore ignored the national question. Although what they were there and what they concerned, this still needs to be clarified.

    Yes, all this cannot be justified, neither terror against local authorities and employees, nor the murder of people and a child, even of a foreign nationality and ethnos, roughly speaking, not Russians. There is no justification for these actions, no matter who says anything, especially among the unhealthy patriots of the Russian Federation, suffering from Slavophilia, nationalism, racism, chauvinism and xenophobia.