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"It will easily get away from the missiles of the French fighter": In South Africa, they write about the advantage of the Russian Su-35 over the French Rafale

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Due to their high maneuverability and excellent avionics characteristics in real air combat, the fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces will defeat the French Air Force combat aircraft. So in South Africa they talk about the advantage of the Russian Su-35 over the French Rafale.


This is reported by the South African magazine Ultimate Defense.

The main factor determining the inevitable defeat of the French fighter is the presence on board the Su-35 onboard radar station N035 "Irbis". It is capable of detecting enemy aircraft at a distance of up to 270 km, while Rafale can only spot this Russian aircraft when it is 120 kilometers away. At least that's what the South African observer claims, entering into a correspondence dispute with the manufacturers of the French combat aircraft.

And given the fact that the Su-35 is armed with long-range missiles, the French aircraft will have no chance of victory in aerial combat.


The South African expert highly estimates the Russian Irbis radar station, calling it the most powerful of all that the world military possesses. aviation.

In addition, the Su-35, according to UD, has more maneuverability than the French Rafale, which gives it an advantage even after being detected by the enemy.

With skillful piloting, the Su-35 will easily get away from the French fighter's missiles and launch a retaliatory attack at a suitable moment.

The issue of Ultimate Defense, where the comparative characteristics of the two fighters were published, was entirely devoted to the review of the Russian forum "Army-2021".
Photos used:
https://www.sukhoi.org/, https://www.facebook.com/dassault.rafale/
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  1. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 16 September 2021 11: 34
    +14
    This is reported by the South African magazine Ultimate Defense.

    - Tsilya Markovna, your spouse tells everyone about his massive victories on the love front.
    - Oh, I beg you! Let the disabled person talk about someone else's war.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 16 September 2021 11: 39
      .
      It is high time to declare NATO a red line and give a period of two months to correct the military rudeness. And then, iron everything that goes beyond the declared line to our borders with all kinds of irons. Then they will respect, and not otherwise. How much snot can you chew?am
    2. Terrible_L.
      Terrible_L. 16 September 2021 11: 40
      +17
      in a real air battle, fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces will defeat the combat aircraft of the French Air Force

      Su-35 is a good "bird", I think the South African expert is right
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 16 September 2021 13: 27
        +3
        Judging by the analytics in the article, the author in the south africa appoint the strongest young man in the category "who threw the spear farther"
  2. pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 16 September 2021 11: 36
    +4
    They would have to meet in a mock battle - a lot would become clear and would help to avoid misunderstandings in the future.
    1. DmSol
      DmSol 16 September 2021 11: 51
      +7
      It all depends on the input
    2. Yves762
      Yves762 16 September 2021 13: 38
      +2
      Have already met: Egyptian, at the exercises in the same place (if they do not lie repeat ).
      And in general, these are more alaverds to that story.
      Apparently, in the edges of some srach about the "Rafale vs Su-35" is still in the process. request
    3. alystan
      alystan 16 September 2021 14: 39
      +3
      We must ask the Indians, they are masters of training battles. They may have Rafali lying around where?
      1. sbuskets
        sbuskets 16 September 2021 20: 49
        -3
        masters of chatter, conduct training fights in greenhouse conditions, where only super-maneuverability is used, and the fact that our planes will be detected earlier and missiles are launched is not of interest to the Indians.
  3. Hexenmeister
    Hexenmeister 16 September 2021 11: 49
    +24
    If we are talking about the Su-35, then why is there a double Su-30SM with PGO in the picture?
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 16 September 2021 12: 12
      +15
      Zry you, dear, wrote it here. VO editors really don't like being caught on warm poop. Sorry.
      1. Hexenmeister
        Hexenmeister 16 September 2021 12: 59
        +8
        Come on, let's not formulate it so seriously.
        And the picture is interesting, for filming the old 27EP are no longer hung, 77 rockets are hanging, but where did another pair of suspension points on the wing go? If we were to show the "product with our face" on the edges of the wings, they would have hung EW containers, and on the missing pair of points a second pair of 73 missiles. On the stabilizer, you can see a darkening similar to the radome of an antenna, if this is true, then what system it is from, and the location of the antenna there, how successful is it in terms of shielding it by the aircraft body ...
        1. Lozovik
          Lozovik 16 September 2021 15: 52
          +3
          Quote: Hexenmeister
          A darkening similar to an antenna radome is visible on the stabilizer

          This is a titanium alloy skin panel, unpainted.
          1. Hexenmeister
            Hexenmeister 16 September 2021 16: 06
            -1
            Thanks, okay.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 16 September 2021 13: 41
      +3
      Che stuck!) What kind of analytics in the article is and the photo
      1. Hexenmeister
        Hexenmeister 16 September 2021 13: 59
        -1
        this and the photo
        But what a! smile Downstairs it looks like Vladimirovka !!!
  4. stoqn477
    stoqn477 16 September 2021 11: 57
    +3
    Where did you find these magazines !? Only a magazine from Ghana, they didn't say anything about it. Or did all these writers observe a workout that no one else in the world has seen?
  5. prior
    prior 16 September 2021 12: 01
    +2
    Yesterday the Americans pitted us against the French, today the South Africans ...
    And what should we share with the French? Poland and the Germans were divided long ago by Molotov and Ribentrop. And what to share with the French, really Ukraine ?! belay
    So the French have enough problems with the Africans.
    Why would they still eat lard?
  6. sagitovich
    sagitovich 16 September 2021 12: 02
    -1
    Let it all be in absentia ... Someone is a topic for discussion, someone is a quiet life.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 16 September 2021 12: 50
    +1
    Due to their high maneuverability and excellent avionics characteristics in real air combat, the fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces will defeat the French Air Force combat aircraft.
    No, no, you don't need to experiment ... find it first and hit it for sure! The most reliable way to win and survive!
    1. Normann
      Normann 16 September 2021 15: 49
      -1
      Non-aggression doctrine ... Preemptive strike is not our method. winked
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 September 2021 17: 46
        +2
        LAW OF SURVIVAL !!! Do not allow you to go into the tail, if the wingman does not cover you!
  8. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 16 September 2021 12: 55
    +1
    Flattering, but nice))
    And then they will order a batch of planes and ask for a discount? winked
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 16 September 2021 13: 00
      +4
      It is not excluded. In Africa, the Big Game has not yet begun.
  9. plant15
    plant15 16 September 2021 13: 12
    0
    Quote: pyagomail.ru
    They would have to meet in a mock battle - a lot would become clear and would help to avoid misunderstandings in the future.

    "The French Rafale fighter defeated the Russian Su-35 in a training air battle," reports the Polish portal Defense24, citing the Egyptian press.
    “The Egyptians conducted an exercise in which the French Rafale fighter collided with the Russian Su-35 fighter and won air battles with it,” the newspaper writes.
    It is noted that during the training battle, the Russian aircraft played the role of "aggressor", attacking the French. The victory of Rafale over the Su-35 was ensured by the Self-Protection Equipment to Counter Threats for Rafale Aircraft (SPECTRA) complex of electronic warfare (EW) of the first, which "jammed" the radar of the second. "The Russian plane could not control its weapons, and Rafale easily tracked the enemy with its radar and in the end" shot him down, "writes Defense24.
    https://vpk.name/news/528773_francuzskii_rafale_pobedil_rossiiskii_su-35.html
    This news is here "https://topwar.ru/185423-pilot-rafale-zaglushil-radar-su-35-bez-problem-polskaja-pressa-transliruet-domysly-ob-uchebnom-boe-samoletov-vvs-egipta. html "was highly disapproved because it is not positive.
    The South African expert, on the other hand, is positive in his contemplations.
    We approve. Quite.
    1. avg avg
      avg avg 16 September 2021 13: 34
      +6
      This is a dead fake. For the 35th in Egypt and that time, at least, was not!
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 September 2021 13: 32
    -1
    In short, you need to plan spending on journalists in a separate article. When advancing weapons.
    1. Normann
      Normann 16 September 2021 15: 51
      0
      Did you just understand it now?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 16 September 2021 16: 14
        -1
        I work in this ....... and the employer allocates an annual budget and hospitality for this.
        1. Normann
          Normann 16 September 2021 16: 47
          -1
          So that's the same.)
  11. plant15
    plant15 16 September 2021 14: 02
    -3
    Quote: avg avg
    This is a dead fake. For the 35th in Egypt and that time, at least, was not!


    Military Watch: Egyptian Air Force received 17 Su-35 fighters
    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2021/06/23/678833.html
    Posted by: 23.06.2021
    The training battle news begins on July 24, 2021.
    What is the impossibility here?
    1. Normann
      Normann 16 September 2021 15: 53
      0
      Polish portal Defense24, citing the Egyptian press.
      this is a very serious statement recourse
    2. lucul
      lucul 16 September 2021 16: 24
      +4
      Military Watch: Egyptian Air Force received 17 Su-35 fighters

      But Egypt does not know about this, as does Russia, which sold the Su-35 to Egypt)))
      And so yes, news with reference to an unnamed Cairo source.)))
      You can't hide an awl in a sack - Israel would be the first to get nervous if the Su-35 was actually delivered.
      )))
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 16 September 2021 20: 55
        0
        Quote: lucul
        Israel would be the first to get nervous, with the actual delivery of the Su-35

        You overestimate the significance of such an event in the eyes of Israel.
  12. Tavi
    Tavi 16 September 2021 15: 59
    +1
    Somehow, the "attack" went to France ... South Africa - in planes, Australia sent with submarines ... not a single chain link?
    1. lucul
      lucul 16 September 2021 16: 29
      +1
      Somehow, the "attack" went to France ... South Africa - in planes, Australia sent with submarines ... not a single chain link?

      The undercover war seeps into the press, France seems to be really moving away from the Anglo-Saxons)))
  13. plant15
    plant15 16 September 2021 16: 03
    0
    Quote: Normann
    Polish portal Defense24, citing the Egyptian press.
    this is a very serious statement recourse

    Comrade, and certainly no less serious than the meditations of a South African expert on how it could all be with a positive ending.
    1. Normann
      Normann 16 September 2021 16: 49
      0
      There is still not enough Lithuanian and Ukrainian experts, the opinion of these comrades is extremely important in this matter.
  14. plant15
    plant15 16 September 2021 17: 02
    -2
    Quote: Normann
    There is still not enough Lithuanian and Ukrainian experts, the opinion of these comrades is extremely important in this matter.

    If the opinion is positive, then certainly yes. "The opinion of these comrades is extremely important in this matter."
    Even a comment from an unnamed user under some article is enough.
    We will be informed about it.
  15. 123456789
    123456789 16 September 2021 17: 58
    +1
    Country Russia Russia France
    Producer OKB Mikoyan, Gurevich OKB Sukhoi Dassault
    Name MiG-35 Su-35 Rafale
    Modification of the MiG-35 Su-35 Rafale
    Start of production (year) 2002 2008 1985
    Length (m) 17.32 21.95 15.30
    Height (m) 4.73 5.92 5.34
    Wingspan (m) 12.00 14.75 10.90
    Empty weight (kg.) 11 000 19 000 9 060
    Maximum takeoff weight (kg.) 22 700 34 500 21 500
    Maximum flight range (km) 3 000 4 500 2 000
    Maximum flight speed (km / h) 2 400 2 500 1 900
    Cruising speed (km / h) - - 1 350
    Service ceiling (m) 17 500 18
    Power plant 2 x TRDDF RD-33 ser.3M 2 x TRDDF AL-41F1S 2 x TRDDF SNECMA M88-2
    Engine power 8 800 14 500 92
    Crew (people) 2 1 2
    weaponry
    30-mm gun GSH-301 (ammunition 100 cartridges),

    combat load - 4500 kg at 9 nodes of the suspension (in reloading version, with a reduced fuel supply) - not more than 9000 kg,

    UR class air - medium-range air R-27 and RVV-AE, short-range missiles R-73, anti-ship X-31A and X-35

    one 30-mm cannon GSh-30-1 (150 rounds),

    combat load - 8000 kg on 12 suspension nodes:

    URVV - R-27E, R-77, R-73, RVV-SD, RVV-MD,

    8 x R-27 ER1, 4 x R-27ET1 and P-27EP1,

    12 x R-77 RVB-AE, 6 x R-73

    12 250 kg of bombs and 4 8 SD or SD

    Produced (units) - 42 140

    More details at: https://avia.pro/sravnenie/voennue-samoletu/result
  16. St_Igor
    St_Igor 18 September 2021 10: 01
    0
    Gentlemen, understand a simple thing - the revolution has taken place. The era of manned military equipment is obviously coming to an end. Already, the pilot is becoming the weak link in a group battle; there is no point in interfering with the AI ​​on board - the pilot must be removed. Whatever one may say, 8-9G is the overload limit for the pilot. How will the "skill" save you from a 60G rocket or a laser? None. Yes, markets need to be saturated, to drive the client into a cycle of long-term operation, but not to get carried away by ourselves. Robots, swarms of drones, AI in every iron ... That's where you need to think. And they think. I'm sure.