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Especially for detractors of the Soviet UnionDuring the second half of the XIX century there were over twenty famine years.
Data at the end of XIX-beg. XX centuries.
From the report to the tsar for 1892 (especially unfavorable and lean) year: "Only from a shortage of deaths to two million Orthodox souls." After all, according to the laws of that time, only those who were buried in Orthodox churches got into the statistics, and there is no evidence of the number of deceased "aliens", Old Believers, "godless" people at all. But after all, it’s clear to any normal person that even in the same Vyatka province, alongside Russian peasants, the Old Believers, "foreigners" like "unbaptized Mordovians and votyaks, lived on the same land." Catholics kept their scores dead, but these data were not submitted to the general report.

A report to Nicholas II in January 1902 of the year: "In the winter of 1900-01, the 12 provinces with a total population of up to 42 million people were starving. From this, the mortality of 2 million 813 in thousands of Orthodox souls."

In 10 of the Russian Weekly, for 1903, we read: “Up to two hundred thousand regular Cossack and gendarme forces were sent to suppress the revolt of peasants and workers of the Poltava and Kharkov provinces.” The newspaper “Kievsky Vestnik” from 9 of March of the same year in the incident section reports: “Yesterday three gendarmes hacked a blind singer with sabers for songs of an outrageous content:“ Oh, good time will come, the worker will be full, and gentlemen - for one rakita. ”

In the 1911 year (already after the much praised "Stolypin reforms"): "The 9 provinces starved with a total population of up to 32 million people. From this, the mortality rate of 1 million 613 thousand Orthodox souls."

According to a report at the annual session of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Empire: "From 6-7 millions of children born each year, 43% does not live to 5 years. 31% in one form or another show signs of nutritional deficiency: rickets, scurvy, pellagraes, and so on." Even then, the question was raised that "the indiscriminate drunkenness of the poorest people violates the health of the child even before his birth." In a separate paragraph lists the largest epidemics and the number of victims: adults and children older than 1 of the year.

From the report for 1912 year against the words: "Almost every tenth peasant child among those examined represents various signs of mental insufficiency. But this failure is not only inborn. A large proportion of it results from the fact that parents who work have no time to somehow develop it, mentally and motorly, according to age. And also it is enough to talk with him and encourage him with caressing so that the child can learn to talk, walk and so on in due time. " - the hand of the king says: "It does not matter" and affixed the highest signature.

The same mark - against the lines that "the average life expectancy of the population of Russia 30,8 of the year." According to the laws of that time, the statistics (except for the "un-minted" in the churches, as mentioned above) did not include the death rate of children up to the 1 year.

From 1880 to 1916, the sad outcome can be summed up: from "unnatural causes" (famine, epidemics, child mortality, criminal causes, with the suppression of peasant revolts, as well as in "small wars" not counting the First World War) prematurely died to 20 millions of "Orthodox shower".

In the issue of 2 on January 1910, the Petersburg Vedomosti reported: "... a small New Year reception was held, at which His Majesty the Emperor of All-Russia was with his family. And the richest people of Russia were invited to 20, and their invitation numbers were appropriate to their capital for 1 January last year. " Below was published a list of those invited, in the order of the numbers of their invitation cards. This list was opened by A.Nobel (the owner of many oil fields), the banker Haim Rothschild and the manufacturer Zinger. They were followed by R. Chandler (car magnate), P. Schmetschen (shipping companies), etc. Moreover, there were only three citizens of Russia (not to mention nationality, religion, etc.): the manufacturer Putilov (12 place), the owner of the largest oil prospectors Mantashev (13 place) and the Georgian prince, General Chikovani ( 20-place). In total, according to the statistics of the Russian Economic Society, which was published at the beginning of each year in the newspaper news", by the beginning of 1913, 62% of large domestic industry was in the hands of foreigners (who did not have Russian citizenship), another 19% - in share or other joint ownership (joint-stock, etc.).

And for a snack to detractors ... In the period of 1884 — 1885, household surveys of villages and villages in the Oryol province were conducted, where the questionnaire included the question: “How many and what books are there in the family?” ... And that's what the peasants answered : 1) 82% yards had no books; 2) In the Oryol district, there were only 53 books for a hundred literate peasants; 3) Of the seventeen and a half thousand books that were in peasant families, only 16% accounted for artistic, scientific and other secular literature; Statistics on the names: - 1) “The Battle of the Russians with the Kabardians” (29 copies); - 2) "History about the brave knight Franzel the Venetian ”(21 copies); - 3) “English Milord” (15 copies); - 4) of Nekrasov’s book (“Frost Red Nose”, “Last Songs”, poems) - (5 copies); - Leo Tolstoy - (10 books); - Krylov - (10 books); - Ershov - (6 books); - Pushkin - (5 books); - Griboedoev - (4 books); - Koltsov, Benedict, Ostrovsky, Leskov, Dostoevsky - on the 1 book.
There were separate issues of magazines, including "Contemporary"
Statistics prepared by O. M. Zhirnov [Joseph Zhirnov (Osip Mikhailovich) - 1860 — 1918


Speaking of education under the tsars or “What the revolutionaries really fought with”.
The Circular on Cooking Children — 1 was issued on July 1887 by the Minister of Education of the Russian Empire, Count I. D. Delyanov, and ordered to refrain from enrolling children of coachmen, footmen, cooks, laundresses, small shopkeepers, and the like at children of which, with the exception of those who are gifted with extraordinary abilities, should not be inferred from the environment to which they belong. ”

The circular relied on the views of Alexander III (Alexander belongs to the testimony of the testimony of a peasant woman M. A. Ananina that her son wants to study at the gymnasium - “That's terrible, man, but he also climbs into the gymnasium!” And K. P Pobedonostsev on the need to “cool” Russian society by restricting movement from “ignoble” segments of the population to raznochintsy and students, the main driving force of the revolutionary upsurge of previous years. Representatives of the lower strata of society, who managed to pay for their children, were expelled from the gymnasiums. In particular, Nikolai Korneychukov (K. Chukovsky) was excluded from the Odessa gymnasium.
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 11 September 2012 08: 13
    -17
    Cool. It could be worse.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 11 September 2012 08: 18
      +26
      What's so cool? It proves once again that the revolution did not arise from scratch. The ruling class had to turn on their brains on time.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 11 September 2012 08: 34
        0
        Quote: sergey32
        What's so cool?


        Have you watched "DMB"? I am so a person with humor.

        Quote: sergey32
        it was necessary to include the brains on time.


        You might think. I don’t understand this. And so on and so forth. In general, the affairs of bygone days ........ Who will remember the old ............. And you can also talk about the cyclical nature of history.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 11 September 2012 08: 40
          +4
          Hi, Vaniek. don't tear your heart.

          Let's see how now?
        2. Fox 070
          11 September 2012 10: 15
          +5
          Quote: Vanek
          Who will remember the old.

          And who will forget the old ... We have forgotten so much of the old. Our whole history is sheer forgetting. That is why they turned into "Ivanov, who do not remember their kinship." And now we are sitting on the fifth point and scratching our turnips - how did it happen that our history was stolen and replaced with fiction!
        3. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 11 September 2012 20: 20
          0
          Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.

          ha-ha-ha-ha-ha !!!!!! in 1903? Ministry of Health ????
          govnovbros!
      2. Russlana
        Russlana 11 September 2012 09: 42
        -3
        Of course not on empty, do not tell me, where did the peasants get their weapons from? I'll tell you - the bulk of the rebels are deserters from the fronts, moreover, they deserted thanks to the propaganda of the Bolsheviks. What lands did Russia lose in the Brest Peace? Only because the "Reds" had to fight for the country within the country. Because nobody accepted them with a bang.
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 11 September 2012 11: 17
          +14
          did you collapse from oak

          Quote: Russlana
          I’ll tell you - the bulk of the rebels are deserters from the fronts, and they deserted in them thanks to the propaganda of the Bolsheviks.


          and to whom, excuse me, were the peasants with rifles supposed to serve? in the Russian Army from time immemorial, they swore allegiance to the tsar. the old king died - they swore allegiance to the new. the februaryists (among whom the number of Bolsheviks strove to zero) removed citizen Romanov from the throne. and who was there among the Februaryists? all the same faces hated by the people from financiers, big capitalists, untalented generals and other world-eaters. they somehow endured the tsar, because the anointed of God and some kind of legitimate authority from above. but obey a gang of upstarts and conspirators ...

          Further. you find a couple of books online: "The Russian Army" by the former Minister of War of Russia Kuropatkin and a solid two-volume edition of the former Tsarist General Golovin "Military Efforts of Russia". both books are carefully studied in all sensible military academies, incl. and foreign. we carefully read and look for at least one Bolshevik among the list of those accused of numerous failures of the Russian Army ... if it is not clear, you make yourself a lobotomy.

          Quote: Russlana
          What land has Russia lost in the Brest peace?


          none. there was a revolution in Germany and everything went back. in order not to lose the country, the dog was thrown a bone, which stood across its throat. especially when you consider that the country after the king and "temporary" fell into pieces.

          why doesn’t the butthert cause you to lose the king of South Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands and the military bases Dalniy and Port Arthur bought for state money? because only the Bolsheviks were able to recapture them, and only 40 years after their tsar profiled ...

          Quote: Russlana
          Because nobody accepted them with a bang.


          son, if no one has told you so far, the Reds first raised the wallowing power, took responsibility for the country and won the Civil War. and that was the choice of the majority of the people. and if you’re not afraid to break your template, look for the documents that Denikin and Wrangel signed on concessions to the West for helping to fight their own people. if they won, there would not even be a banana republic from Russia - all assets would be transferred to foreign hands.
          1. Russlana
            Russlana 11 September 2012 14: 32
            -6
            What a passage, almost wept. Nobody will convince me that raising a rebellion in the rear of YOUR country that is fighting against an external enemy is good. For me, it is a betrayal punishable by death.

            They raised power ... Yeah, and the Emperor was carried to the Canary Islands, with a life-long pension ... It's even funny.
            1. Zynaps
              Zynaps 11 September 2012 22: 22
              +1
              Quote: Russlana
              No one will convince me


              Thank you, this is enough to understand: the interlocutor is nothing more than an Internet woodpecker.
              1. s1н7т
                s1н7т 12 September 2012 00: 24
                +1
                Totally agree!
            2. carbofo
              carbofo 12 September 2012 01: 37
              0
              Russlana,
              Have at least respect for the fact that it was the Bolshevik system that gave birth to you, raised you, gave obazovanie, etc. otherwise you would lie on fascist pillows spreading the legs of a soldier of 50 soldiers a day !!! Well, that's the way.
              If you have not noticed, then foreigners of Russian women prefer to see it in this form.
              What Muslims think about this I will not spread, and so it is obvious.
              1. Russlana
                Russlana 12 September 2012 08: 25
                +1
                How much more redness is left ... Trouble is trouble. And all are so polite, courteous. Scoop face, so to speak.
                1. carbofo
                  carbofo 12 September 2012 09: 21
                  0
                  Russlana,
                  You probably don’t have enough in communicating with us that you would be poked regularly in the face.
                  Well, sorry, not the sadists gathered here, and they don’t intend to indulge the coprophages.
          2. gribnik777
            gribnik777 11 September 2012 14: 49
            +3
            In those distant times, the "intelligentsia" sent congratulatory telegrams to the Japanese emperor in connection with the victory over the Russian troops (does it cause any associations?). That is why they lost both Sakhalin and the Kuriles. And a little later, the German special services hurried in advance and financed the Bolsheviks (for some reason, not Mensheviks, not Cadets, not Social Revolutionaries?). Then someone slowed down the trains with bread on the way to Peter, in order to cause a riot, and the generals were among the first traitors. And what if there had been no revolution in Germany and nowhere at all? And then the massacre began. "... Some so that there are no poor, others so that there are no rich"And there were so many bones that there was no one to pick up.
            1. Zynaps
              Zynaps 11 September 2012 22: 21
              +5
              Quote: gribnik777
              the German special services timely got involved and financed the Bolsheviks (for some reason, not the Mensheviks, not the Cadets, not the Socialist-Revolutionaries?).


              so don’t weary - dump the documents on the barrel. or even the chief of staff of the Eastern Front of the German army (in whose subordination were intelligence agencies oriented towards Russia) General Hoffmann was not aware of who he was financing there. even in his book "The War of Lost Opportunities" he wrote that the Germans had a problem with paying for the fifth column in Russia. unlike the British.

              I’ll tell you a secret that the topic of the money of the German General Staff for the Bolsheviks among adequate historians has long been a marker of insanity. because the raised stench leads to an emigre ROVS and breaks off on it.

              Quote: gribnik777
              Then someone slowed down the bread trains on the way to Peter to cause a riot


              oh expert ... read General Golovin - he has everything. due to the mobilization of horse-drawn transport for the needs of the front, the rear services of the Russian Army could not collect and export food beyond 10 miles from the railway. in Arkhangelsk, the aid received by the allies (military equipment, weapons and food) was dumped in the port and it choked on the mess. the reason was the impossibility of organizing a normal cargo flow through the only narrow gauge railway Arkhangelsk - Peter. Well, your beloved king of normal railways did not build - narrow gauge railways mainly. even the Transsiberian - and that was single-track, and did not even serve 20 years - it was brought to mind under another government.

              Quote: gribnik777
              But if there hadn’t been a revolution in Germany and wouldn’t exist anywhere?


              Do you know the saying about "would grandmother have a scrotum"?

              Quote: gribnik777
              And then the massacre began.


              Say thank you to the generals. They began to inflate the Civil War even during the "temporary" ones and to clump together on the Don.

              Quote: gribnik777
              And there were so many bones that there was no one to pick up.


              so normal people have long known that the reason for the Civil was a carriage of shot communards sent by ataman Semenov to the nearest Council. what they fought for ...
          3. sapulid
            sapulid 12 September 2012 18: 31
            0
            What about the Western regions of Ukraine and Belarus? After the German Revolution, they, too, retreated? Can you tell us how much gold, raw materials and foodstuffs were exported through the "Brest Peace" from our ruined country?

            No need to underestimate the subversive work of the revolutionaries. Seeds fell into fertile soil due to decay of the apex.
            Please do not "poke" me. Exceptions, only for former party organizers and political leaders. I cannot be offended by the flawed.
            1. carbofo
              carbofo 13 September 2012 08: 57
              0
              sapulid,
              You are an interesting fruit! I myself about the Bolsheviks = saboteurs, ruined the country.
              The word "flawed" rudeness.
              And in PM he writes that I discredit the Bolsheviks!
              And rude women!
              SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO Poke ANOTHER IN WHAT EXACTLY DOING IT YOURSELF.
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 11 September 2012 22: 32
          0
          Go fight for England, France, for the interests of the bourgeois ordinary people must die
      3. Redpartyzan
        Redpartyzan 11 September 2012 12: 52
        -6
        Always with a degree of skepticism related to such figures. I’ll take a note, but I won’t take it on faith. In general, the empire lived a fairly well-known fact!
        1. wax
          wax 11 September 2012 13: 29
          +12
          A "common knowledge" at the time or after the perestroika brainwashing? Read Tolstoy "After the Ball", Look at the Code of Punishment in Tsarist Russia. Read Bunin's stories about the village. Etc. (Jewish pogroms, black hundreds ...) And then, for a snack, try to explain why the February Revolution took place without the Bolsheviks.
        2. Zynaps
          Zynaps 11 September 2012 22: 23
          +2
          Quote: Redpartyzan
          In general, the empire lived a fairly well-known fact!


          when someone, as evidence, strongly presses on the well-knownness of a certain fact, this in 100% of cases means that he is very strained with the facts.
      4. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 11 September 2012 19: 57
        +1
        Are you sure that this very "Russian weekly" existed at all ???? all sources of this post are very, very deceitful bloggers
        By the way, and for whom did Sytin publish his books? in millions of copies?
      5. vezunchik
        vezunchik 11 September 2012 20: 08
        +4
        No wonder Nicholas was nicknamed bloody !!! And they threw their close ones from the throne! Yes, both father and mother did not want to see him at the head of RUSSIA! And our churchmen proclaimed him the seventh! THIS IS A SORROW!
      6. s1н7т
        s1н7т 12 September 2012 00: 22
        0
        Read the classics - brains have nothing to do with it. They decide everything profit.
    2. broker
      broker 11 September 2012 08: 58
      -13
      DO NOT FORGET FOR WHEN GOD'S HUNGER WILL BE SENT FOR THE PEOPLE'S FALL, LOOK AT HOW MUCH TRADERS HAVE BEEN AT THIS TIME, POSSIBLE MORE THAN NOW!
      1. Zynaps
        Zynaps 11 September 2012 11: 19
        +1
        here the city madmen pulled themselves up ...
        1. dmb
          dmb 11 September 2012 16: 30
          +4
          The trouble is that, apart from the Internet, the aforementioned ones do not read anything. Yes, and in it they mostly look for a few words familiar to them personally. Here, for example, a person presumably female with a patriotic nickname "russlana. It seems that from the entire article, the clear girlish mind knew only 2 words" Tsar Nikolai "The rest of the mind did not read, because after watching the programs Svanidze firmly learned one thing: Nikolay- good, the Bolsheviks are bad, and there are no books even now, but this does not mean that we live badly. All the troubles are from education.
          1. Russlana
            Russlana 11 September 2012 20: 23
            -2
            You are so deeply mistaken, if only starting with the fact that there is simply no TV in the house, that you don’t even want to talk about the rest ...
            1. Zynaps
              Zynaps 11 September 2012 22: 25
              +1
              Quote: Russlana
              I don’t even want to talk about the rest ...


              ... patamushta nothing to cover?
              1. Russlana
                Russlana 12 September 2012 08: 28
                0
                yes of course nothing. In addition, the USSR is no longer on the world map.
                1. carbofo
                  carbofo 13 September 2012 09: 00
                  0
                  It is not on the cards, but everyone remembers. ALL IN THE WORLD REMEMBER
            2. carbofo
              carbofo 12 September 2012 01: 42
              0
              Russlana,
              Eee and since when on TV really shown ?? These wonderful days have passed.
              Now the only truth on TV is silicone Semenovich, or maybe not? so they occupied the population for another month, let them think.
            3. carbofo
              carbofo 13 September 2012 08: 58
              0
              Russlana,
              Righteous God, how did you learn to read something in capitalism, without a television?
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 12 September 2012 00: 27
        0
        Putin’s electorate?
    3. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 11 September 2012 19: 52
      -1
      interesting and source ??? ay ???? it hurts like Bonch Bruevich’s tales
  2. Leisure
    Leisure 11 September 2012 08: 18
    +14
    If in the Empire, all was well then, the revolution did not happen. The grain fell into the fertile soil.
    1. broker
      broker 11 September 2012 08: 59
      -5
      THE SAME CAN SAY AND ABOUT THE USSR
      1. Russlana
        Russlana 11 September 2012 09: 26
        -8
        For the USSR, for some reason, there were no people who wanted to die. And for the Empire there was a civil war for several years. He says a lot, no?
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 11 September 2012 11: 22
          +4
          Quote: Russlana
          For the USSR, for some reason, there were no people who wanted to die.


          Will you give a tooth?

          Quote: Russlana
          And for the Empire there was a civil war for several years.


          dapryamshchas. revolutionaries fought on both sides. whites are also revolutionaries. there were practically no monarchists there. just read their program. fought for their estates and privileges.

          Quote: Russlana
          He says a lot, no?


          the writer speaks a lot about illiteracy.
          1. Russlana
            Russlana 11 September 2012 14: 46
            -5
            Why give a tooth? At the beginning of 90, something of the civil war did not start, people did not marry the great USSR.

            Yeah. The whites were simply the most revolutionary revolutionaries, far too much there.

            Yes, I am illiterate, what is already here. Institutes did not finish.
            1. rexby63
              rexby63 11 September 2012 21: 40
              +3
              The whites were simply the most revolutionary revolutionaries, far too much there.

              Read Denikin, why argue?
            2. Zynaps
              Zynaps 11 September 2012 22: 27
              +1
              Quote: Russlana
              Institutes did not finish.


              Mitrich spoke the true truth. He did not graduate from high school - he graduated from the Corps of Pages. (c) Ilf and Petrov, "The Golden Calf".
            3. carbofo
              carbofo 12 September 2012 09: 32
              0
              Russlana,
              They may have finished, but they only taught to read and write, the rest is not given !.
              The USSR during the Second World War lost more than 11 million soldiers and more than 26 million civilians, show respect to those who gave birth to you and raised you, although with your [institutional] knowledge I am not sure that you can do it.
              In a civilian war for power, in a sense, gentlemen against the people, although I exaggerate.
              Watch the video "about power" on YouTube, an interesting video.
              Any state system has its advantages and disadvantages, and any change of regime is often quite a bloody event.
              Not everyone agrees that someone will be at the helm, not everyone likes to work as rowers.
        2. rexby63
          rexby63 11 September 2012 21: 39
          0
          For the Empire? Well, sorry ...
      2. urchik
        urchik 11 September 2012 16: 18
        0
        [quote = broker] THE SAME POSSIBLE TO SAY AND ABOUT THE USSR [/ quote The hand of the West and the West was attached to the collapse of the USSR.
    2. Russlana
      Russlana 11 September 2012 09: 03
      -5
      Yeah, really. Just think, millions of soldiers sit in the trenches for several years, feed lice. And then the cool guys begin to propagandize the revolution, and they call everyone home. Indeed, the reason. Lenin is the Greatest Traitor in the history of our country. Lead and activate the 5th column, while the country is at war with an external enemy ... Well done, what can I say.

      Personally, my opinion is that the Emperor is only to blame for the fact that he did not shoot all this trash in his time.
      1. Isk1984
        Isk1984 11 September 2012 09: 05
        +5
        Millions of soldiers fed lice for interests alien to them, for England they did not really want to die
        1. Russlana
          Russlana 11 September 2012 09: 25
          +2
          Have you read the story at all? How many times did our troops walk around Europe, in the know? And the main thing is the soldier’s business, to execute the order, otherwise it’s not the army, but our ... State Duma turns out.
          1. Isk1984
            Isk1984 11 September 2012 10: 06
            +3
            Considering that I know history better than you, so many times I was the winner of the Olympiads, and thanks to the backlogs of Soviet education, the selection was hard and there were more than one volume of archived documents, so I know the history of my state perfectly
            1. gribnik777
              gribnik777 11 September 2012 14: 29
              0
              Interpretation of history in the Soviet version confused the British with the fraternal Serbs!
              1. Isk1984
                Isk1984 11 September 2012 15: 45
                +1
                I advise once again to re-read the section concerning the tax of the First World War and how the decision was made on its participation in non-Russia ....
                1. gribnik777
                  gribnik777 11 September 2012 16: 53
                  +1
                  Here is a small fragment of the re-read:

                  July 29, 1914 (two days before Germany declared war on Russia) Nicholas II sent Kaiser Wilhelm II the following telegram:

                  “Thank you for your telegram, conciliatory and friendly. Meanwhile, the official message delivered by your ambassador today to my minister was in a completely different tone. Please explain this disagreement. It would be right to refer the Austro-Serbian question to the Hague Conference. I count on your wisdom and friendship ”

                  .

                  Kaiser Wilhelm never responded to this peace initiative of Nicholas II. The French ambassador to Russia, Maurice Paleologue, wrote in his memoirs [6] (p. 155, 156):

                  Sunday, January 31, 1915 Petrograd Government Gazette publishes the text of a telegram dated July 29 last year, in which Emperor Nicholas proposed to Emperor Wilhelm that the Austro-Serbian dispute be referred to the Hague court. <...> The German government did not consider it necessary to publish this telegram in a series of messages exchanged directly between the two monarchs during the crisis preceding the war. <…> - What a terrible responsibility Emperor Wilhelm took upon himself, leaving the proposal of Emperor Nicholas without a single answer! He could not respond to such a proposal otherwise than by agreeing to it. And he didn't answer because he wanted war
                  .
                  1. gribnik777
                    gribnik777 11 September 2012 17: 39
                    +1
                    And more:

                    In the years 1915-1919 (during the First World War), the British Ambassador to Russia J. Buchanan and some prominent foreign public figures and historians wrote about this telegram. In 1918, this telegram was even mentioned in the American Encyclopedia about the First World War. US Attorney General James M. Beck wrote in 1915 (translated from English):

                    It is a curious and suggestive fact that the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs in a correspondence published (in the autumn of 1914) between the Kaiser and the king omitted one of the most important telegrams. ... The German Foreign Minister then explained that they considered this telegram “not of any importance” for publication. - Comment is redundant! As you can see, the king at the beginning of his correspondence with the Kaiser proposed to transfer the entire Austro-Serbian problem to the Hague Tribunal. Serbia made the same proposal. ... But the world is indebted to the Russian Tsar for the first Hague Conference, which was convened and held on his initiative ...



                    Enough!
            2. Russlana
              Russlana 11 September 2012 14: 55
              -4
              Archival documents of the Soviet state, in which "bloody" tsarism was synonymous with all the most disgusting?
              1. Isk1984
                Isk1984 11 September 2012 15: 47
                +2
                I started my studies in 90, under the auspices of the Soviet education, I mean being able to reason, compare facts and draw conclusions from a fundamental analysis, this is no longer taught in the test system ...
          2. Zynaps
            Zynaps 11 September 2012 11: 41
            +7
            Quote: Russlana
            Have you read the story at all?


            want to say that you read it? it seems that at best they listened on TV to a selection of historical jokes performed by the clown Radzinsky.

            Quote: Russlana
            How many times did our troops walk around Europe, in the know?


            not in the case of blue. in WWI, they sat in trenches on their territory with zero motivation and with a bare ass instead of weapons.

            Quote: Russlana
            And most importantly, it’s the soldier’s business,


            [instructively] in order for a soldier to carry out an order, he must be fed on time, properly armed, and so that his morale remains at its best. but for this it is necessary that everything is in order at the soldier's house, and that intelligent people command him. but what was not in WWI, that was not. and it so happened that in Sevastopol the queen and her retinue visited the battleship "Empress Maria", and as a result he was taken and soared into the air with a bunch of people. so at once all over the country and at the front they started talking about treason at the top.
            1. Russlana
              Russlana 11 September 2012 14: 51
              -9
              But you probably watered information at 10 +. It’s not tattooed on the forehead with a hammer, no?

              Well, yes, yes, but before this war, our troops, as if on a run, occupied everything effortlessly.
              1. Zynaps
                Zynaps 11 September 2012 22: 33
                +3
                what was before was before. but after ...

                You do not even know what chronic hunger with the people did. the Russian miracle heroes, who had recently taken Shipka and chopped a janissary, were so crushed that in Russia they canceled the recruitment to the army several times. at the beginning of the WWI (this is 1914, if it is) the most popular size of the gymnast of Russian soldiers was 46. This is a typical size for Soviet teenagers.

                Quote: Russlana
                But you probably watered information at 10 +. It’s not tattooed on the forehead with a hammer, no?


                typical monkey habits - from impotence to throw poop and banana peel. roll on.
            2. gribnik777
              gribnik777 11 September 2012 15: 45
              +1
              Quote: Zynaps
              sat in the trenches on their territory with zero motivation


              RUSSIAN SOLDIER never had zero motivation!
              1. kulpin
                kulpin 11 September 2012 19: 40
                0
                Well, of course ... The verdict "Tsar with" George ", and the queen with Gregory" does not mean "zero" motivation. And he also remarkably motivated the officer's scuffle and exposure to the parapet ... No agitation is needed.
                1. gribnik777
                  gribnik777 11 September 2012 20: 01
                  +1
                  This saying provoked an association with today - the disinformation about Putin’s relationship with Kabaeva. History goes in a circle.
                  1. kulpin
                    kulpin 15 September 2012 12: 54
                    0
                    What kind of "misinformation" is there if Grishka had to be removed by the hands of a representative of the reigning house. Putin, thank God, does not appear in front of the front units arm in arm with whores. Do not roll a vain cart on him.
      2. viktorrymar
        viktorrymar 11 September 2012 10: 04
        0
        Nicholas had to be made not a holy martyr, but a shame of the nation - with the inscription on the grave "IT CANNOT BE RULED SO !!!" slept through everything with his little wife, he reminds me of a hunchbacked goat, it's a pity that no one shot this SPOTTED goat (
      3. Fox 070
        11 September 2012 10: 19
        +2
        Quote: Russlana
        The emperor is only to blame for the fact that he did not shoot all this trash in his time.

        A girl should not be so bloodthirsty! wink
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 11 September 2012 18: 42
          0
          Fox 070,
          Yes everywhere you spit gifted femen, normal only in nature reserves.
      4. Fox
        Fox 11 September 2012 10: 59
        +2
        read more facts about your "emperor". Can't smack such nonsense!
      5. Zynaps
        Zynaps 11 September 2012 11: 33
        +9
        Quote: Russlana
        Lenin is the Greatest Traitor in the history of our country.


        which is typical: any dandruff that doesn’t even cost a pile on his suit raises Lenin’s leg. if you have something against Lenin, you go to the post office and start sending money to France and England to pay off royal debts, burn your school and other diplomas, catch syphilis with tuberculosis, move out into the street and cut out your brain to the level tradesman of the beginning of the last century. although the last paragraph is just fine.

        Quote: Russlana
        Lead and intensify the action of the 5th column, while the country is at war with an external enemy ...


        it was then that the tsar, under pressure from the tsarina, through his diplomats began negotiations in 1915 with the Germans about a separate peace, so he had wonderful things to do at the front. even was ready to abdicate in favor of the prince and during the regency of the queen. Yes, only the British-sponsored deputy Guchkov's comrades did not let the tsar relax, until they threw off together with the generals in February 1917.

        Quote: Russlana
        Personally, my opinion is that the Emperor is only to blame for the fact that he did not shoot all this trash in his time.


        yes ordered, blue. in February 1917, famine even reached the Petrograd garrison. while there was food in the warehouses - the garrison somehow coaxed. and when the commandant reported to the king that there was nothing to give, he ordered to shoot. after which he flew out of the Winter Palace ahead of his own screeching. and so cleverly that the Holy Synod danced a polka-butterfly for joy and sent enthusiastic carts to "temporary" ones about the deliverance of Russia from the age-old oppression of autocracy and the power of the hateful Romanovs.
        1. Russlana
          Russlana 11 September 2012 14: 38
          -2
          Call your girlfriend blue, if you have one, this time.

          Well, two - a bright future somehow did not work out. And the Empire of "hateful" Romanovs stood for 300 years, and the USSR collapsed after 70. In general, history has put everything in its place, like you - less and less like me - more. Let's say goodbye. God willing, there will be no like on Russian soil.
          1. carbofo
            carbofo 11 September 2012 18: 48
            +1
            Quote: Russlana
            Call your girlfriend blue

            Actually, "gay" are the wrong boys, as it relates to you is already interesting.
            Anyway Zynaps, call her "Pink" so it seems more correct.

            Quote: Russlana
            And the Empire of the "hateful" Romanovs stood for 300 years, and the USSR collapsed after 70


            And you don’t feel the drum, this is history, treat it like a fact.
            1. Russlana
              Russlana 11 September 2012 20: 28
              -1
              For the most advanced, there is the word holuba, if that. Which they named me. You have to be careful, be careful.
              1. carbofo
                carbofo 12 September 2012 01: 22
                0
                carbofo,
                I know accents.
                This is just a pun and no fraud!
          2. Zynaps
            Zynaps 11 September 2012 22: 35
            +3
            Quote: Russlana
            and the USSR was bent after 70.


            so enemies were abundant, and even learned a bunch of their fools in trouble ... 300 years to manage cattle and cattle are much easier. until a certain point.
            1. carbofo
              carbofo 12 September 2012 01: 30
              0
              Zynaps,
              By the way, given the then social system, those 300 just fit into the last 70, taking into account compression, now history is moving faster.
              Yes, the Bolsheviks laughed at the formation, the herd is really easier to manage, the stripes have accepted this as an axiom and carefully removed the tele-vegetables.
              Look what’s happening in the world, earlier, due to the lack of transport and communication systems, conflicts on this scale were unrealistic.
              Previously, they did not know what was happening in the neighboring village at 10 miles, now we can cross the globe in 12 hours and we know where and what almost instantly.
            2. Russlana
              Russlana 12 September 2012 08: 33
              -1
              You can even sing the praises of the country where the "happiest children" are until you turn blue, but it does not exist and will never be. Generations of "reds" are dying out and this is irreversible, so I even feel a little sorry for you.
              1. Generalissimus
                Generalissimus 12 September 2012 08: 43
                +1
                You better feel sorry for yourself, as the number of people who respond positively to the USSR is growing. They are red or gray-brown-raspberry - the tenth thing. This trend shows that there is a rethinking of the results of both the collapse of the USSR and the subsequent reforms and changes in society.
                In particular, the liberal-democratic public is depressed by such trends precisely among young people.
                So I can only sympathize with you - there is no question of irreversibility. On the contrary, the truth breaks through all the nonsense and dirt that the people wanting to irreversibility of reforms have heaped up.

              2. carbofo
                carbofo 12 September 2012 09: 18
                0
                Quote: Russlana
                So, I’m even a little sorry for you.

                Sorry for yourself, you don’t know what a happy childhood is, poor girl.
  3. Border k
    Border k 11 September 2012 08: 21
    +4
    Everything is on its own.
  4. valokordin
    valokordin 11 September 2012 08: 30
    +13
    Well, admirers of the tsarist regime, frankly, the state of Russian society in the 19th century was known. Sparks of popular anger smoldered in society and the propaganda of the Marxists was fertile ground. It is only Ilya Glazunov who paints the autocracy in such rosy colors and dreams of a new prince. Everything is not so rosy. But one thing is interesting and informative, that economically Russia was ruled by foreigners and Jewish capital, and what now? Who has the money. But who made Russia literate, reading, technically equipped - probably Svanidze, Gavrila Popov, Anatoly Chubais, Poltoranin, Gorbachev, Yegorushka Gaidar. I just want to change Gaidar's surname to Golikov with an emphasis on the last syllable. It was his great grandfather who was worthy of this pseudonym. It was our grandfathers who taught the people to read and write. my grandfather was the first editor of the regional newspaper "Rabochy" They created the industrial base of the country. It was our fathers who defended the independence of the country and the whole world, and these democrats?
    1. the polar
      the polar 11 September 2012 08: 50
      +12
      "I just want to change Gaidar's surname to Golikov with an emphasis on the last syllable. It was his great grandfather who was worthy of this pseudonym."
      ----------------------------------------------------------
      The grandmother of Yegor Timurovich Gaidar - Rakhil Lazarevna Solomyanskaya married the writer Arkady Golikov (who wrote under the pseudonym Gaidar), already having a son Timur from an unknown (us) man. Arkady Golikov adopted Timur, but they did not live together for long (in 1925-1931 years).
      Her last husband was a journalist I.M. Razin

      Years passed. Arkady Golikov died in the war under unclear circumstances. By this time, Timur, who had to obtain a passport, had grown up and graduated from the Nakhimov School.
      A clever Jewish boy realized that you can’t make a career with an unknown surname Solomyansky, so as his own he chose not the surname of the mother with whom he lived all the time, not the surname of his father, not even the surname of his stepfather, but his ... literary pseudonym !

      Here is such an amazing impudence ... The trick was successful, and the son of Rakhili Lazarevna Solomyanskaya eventually became rear admiral, not commanding a single ship for a day: all of his heavy naval service was in the editorial office of the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda.
      He also became a member of the Union of Soviet Writers,
      without writing a single work of art.
    2. gribnik777
      gribnik777 11 September 2012 17: 15
      -3
      And here is the anger of the people?

      In 1919, a red battalion commander of the 11 rifle regiment Zunder was killed in battles with Estonian armed forces. A document was found in his pocket:

      “Secretly. Representatives of the divisions of the World Israeli Union.
      Sons of Israel! The hour of our ultimate victory is near. We stand on the eve of world domination. What we could only dream of before is now turning into reality. Weak and helpless until recently, - now, thanks to the general collapse, we are proudly raising our heads.
      However, we must be careful, as it is safe to predict that, having stepped over the defeated altars and thrones, we must move further along the planned path.
      We have subjected merciless criticism and ridicule to the authority and beliefs of an alien religion — successful propaganda and exposures. We overthrew the shrines of others, we shook their culture and tradition in the peoples and states. We have done everything to subjugate the Russian people to Jewish power and make them finally kneel before us. Have we almost reached all this, however ... we must be careful, since our original enemy is enslaved Russia. The victory over her, achieved by our genius, may someday, in new generations turn against us.
      Russia is cast to dust, is under our rule; but do not forget for a minute that we must be careful! The sacred concern for our security allows us neither compassion nor mercy.
      Finally, we saw the poverty and tears of the Russian people! Having taken away his property and gold, we turned this people into miserable slaves.
      Be careful and silent. We should not have pity for our enemy, we must eliminate the best and leading elements from him so that conquered Russia does not have a leader. By this we will destroy every opportunity to resist our power. It is necessary to awaken party hatred and develop civil strife among peasants and workers. War and class struggle will destroy the cultural treasures created by Christian peoples. But watch out, sons of Israel! Our victory is near, because political and economic power and our influence on the masses are intensifying. We are buying government loans and gold, and this dominates the world's exchanges. Power is in our hands; but be careful.
      Do not trust deceptive, dark forces.
      Bronstein, Apfelbaum, Rosenfeld, Steinmak (May diplomat - Comp.) - all of them, like many others, are faithful sons of Israel. Our power in Russia is unlimited. In cities, commissariats, food commissions, house committees, etc. representatives of our people play a leading role. But do not get drunk with victory. Be careful, because no one can protect us but ourselves.
      Sons of Israel! The hour is near when we will achieve the long-awaited victory over Russia. Close the ranks. Preach loudly the national policies of our people. Fight for our eternal ideals!

      Central Committee of the Petrograd Division of the World Israeli Union. ”

      Translated from Hebrew, the cited document was published in the newspapers:
      “Ρostimees” (Yuryev. 31.12.1919/31.12.1919/6.2.1920), “Teataja” (Revel. 3.4.1920/2.5.1920/XNUMX), “Call” (Berlin. XNUMX), “Morning Ρost (London. XNUMX),“ Evening word ”(Sevastopol . XNUMX).

      1. Drappier
        Drappier 11 September 2012 18: 36
        +4
        To your reasons wassat
      2. dmb
        dmb 11 September 2012 20: 51
        +1
        Interestingly, and from which "thinker" did you get this nonsense? If I were you, I would have caught him and carried him across the floor for a long time in front of eyewitnesses of this outrageous scene. For nonsense. The fact is that the diplomat Maisky mentioned in the text was not a diplomat at the time of the dubious assassination of the hardly existing commander Zunder. And he worked at this time, you can’t even imagine, in the government of Kolchak. And not an underground member, but quite legally, from the Socialist-Revolutionaries. I don't want to continue due to the obvious stupidity of the author
        1. Generalissimus
          Generalissimus 12 September 2012 08: 52
          0
          laughing Fine. Laughing for a long time.
  5. Svobodny
    Svobodny 11 September 2012 08: 32
    0
    And then Ilyich came! The people lived happily and built a Bright Future ...
    "Detractors", "tsarism ..." - Author, you should read SS history books. They also like the word "tsarism".
  6. viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 11 September 2012 08: 33
    +5
    Every time he tries to denigrate the preceding one, especially during a radical change in the social system. History must be perceived as a whole, without corrections and rewriting, without fraud and fraud. And to defend or denigrate any piece of their history is the destiny of one-sided-minded or well-paid people.
    1. Svobodny
      Svobodny 11 September 2012 08: 42
      +1
      Quite right! And to snatch statistics (by the way, without proper indication of the source) and present it as evidence of the "lawlessness that was going on" - we have already gone through this more than once. "millions of victims of the Holodomor", "Stalin's genocide" the current "monstrous demographic cross" - from the same number. There is no black and white. There is no need to step on the same rake and denigrate the already slandered history of the reign of Nicholas II.
      1. Zynaps
        Zynaps 11 September 2012 11: 51
        +3
        Quote: Svobodny
        No need to step on the same rake and denigrate the already slandered history of the reign of Nicholas II.


        the reign of Nicholas v.2.0 is very hard to slander. just look at the documents signed by the sovereign's hand. for example, in the statistical yearbook for 1912, which brought the tsar to familiarize himself with the state of affairs in the state entrusted to him, opposite the columns "a tenth of peasant children show signs of mental deficiency" the good tsar wrote with his own hand a note "it does not matter." the same note stands opposite the column "life expectancy in Russia reaches 30.4 years."

        in the documents you can find a lot of interesting things. for example, the survival rate of children under 5 years old was 48%. Of the remaining 15 years, another half survived. that tuberculosis mowed not only representatives
        the poorest segments of the population, but also the intelligentsia with the merchants. that hunger (just hunger with a couple of hundred dead) occurred every 2-3 years, and every 5 years there was a real plague. deposits of petitions from peasants were found in zemstvos in a hungry year with requests to allow younger children to eat, because they still will not survive until the first grass ...

        there are abysses.
        1. Russlana
          Russlana 11 September 2012 14: 58
          -4
          And where did you look at such documents? Not in the KGB archives by chance?

          Well, if there is an "abyss", then the USSR is simply the pinnacle of human development.
          1. Straus_zloy
            Straus_zloy 11 September 2012 15: 48
            0
            Yes,The USSR is simply the pinnacle of human development , This does not suit you, look below, especially for monarchists:

            http://rusotechestvo.narod.ru/finansy/nechvolodov.html

            click to enlarge picture
            1. gribnik777
              gribnik777 11 September 2012 16: 23
              0
              It’s just not clear in what currency it is given and how much and what in what country you can buy per unit of this currency. Now in different countries for one euro you can buy a different number of products. request
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 11 September 2012 19: 28
          +2
          Quote: Zynaps
          zemstvos found petition from peasants in a hungry year with requests to allow younger children to eat, because they still will not survive until the first grass ...
          Dear, for starters, when you write such horror stories, you would look at what was written to you on the same site Here is a list of prices of that time for products, although then everything was measured in pounds, the price is per kilogram for convenience: Fresh loaf of rye fresh bread weighing 400 grams - 4 kopecks, A loaf of white butter bread weighing 300 grams - 7 kopecks, Fresh harvested potatoes 1 kilogram - 15 kopecks, Old harvested potatoes 1 kilogram - 5 kopecks, Rye flour 1 kilogram - 6 kopecks, Oatmeal 1 kilogram - 10 kopecks, Premium wheat flour 1 kilogram - 24 kopecks, Potato flour 1 kilogram - 30 kopecks, Macaroni simple 1 kilogram - 20 kopecks, Second-class granulated sugar 1 kilogram - 25 kopecks, Refined lump sugar selected 1 kilogram - 60 kopecks, Common salt 1 kilogram - 3 kopecks, Fresh milk 1 liter - 14 kopecks, Fat cream 1 liter - 60 kopecks, Sour cream 1 liter - 80 kopecks, Cottage cheese 1 kilogram - 25 kopecks, Russian cheese 1 kilogram - 70 kopecks, Butter 1 kilogram - 1 ruble 20 kopecks, Sunflower oil 1 liter - 40 kopecks, Paired chicken 1 kilogram - 80 kopecks,
          Ten perfect eggs - 25 kopecks, Beef shoulder meat 1 kg - 45 kopecks, Pork neck 1 kg pork meat - 30 kopecks, Fresh river perch fish 1 kg - 28 kopecks, Fresh catfish fish 1 kg - 20 kopecks,
          Fresh bream fish 1 kilogram - 24 kopecks, Frozen pink salmon fish 1 kilogram - 60 kopecks, Tomato vegetables selected 1 kilogram - 45 kopecks the average salary in the Russian Empire for workers of factories and plants and employees of junior ranks increased from 1880 to 1913 rubles per month ..: http: //topwar.ru/16-korova-za-tri-rublya-ceny-i-zhalovaniya-v-car

          skoy- rossii.html In the event of famine, there was an outflow of people to the city and the growth of the proletariat, not cannibals. It was this "PROPAGANDA" that led to the riots of 1905 and 1917. Are you not the heir of these propagandists?
          1. Russlana
            Russlana 11 September 2012 20: 31
            0
            What an heir, too. If I am (fortunately) not even a speck of dust on the jacket of the "great" Lenin, why is there ...
          2. Zynaps
            Zynaps 11 September 2012 23: 10
            +2
            Yes, I read this xivu, half-honored. people were crazy about fat. and the industrial proletariat throughout Russia 3% of the total population, of which skilled workers (who could afford all this) - 5% of those 3%.

            and here is how the Great Russian plowman (of which there was an overwhelming majority) ate in 1913 in the European part of Russia (i.e. the most developed and rich):

            Bread 26,5 kg
            Potatoes 10,9 kg
            fruits, vegetables and gourds 4,2 kg
            Milk and dairy products 12 kg
            Eggs 1,3 pc
            Meat 1.5 kg
            sugar 0,3 kg

            taken from the statistical yearbook "Russia in figures" for 1913.

            Quote: Kaa
            In the event of famine, there was an outflow of people to the city and the growth of the proletariat, not cannibals.


            well i.e. petitions in zemstvos lie to us. 3% of the urban proletariat is simply unbridled growth! people fed from starvation to cities became declassified elements and did not replenish the army of workers, but mainly the ranks of criminals and prostitutes. they really didn’t want to eat cheap buns with twin chickens.

            Quote: Kaa
            You, by the hour, are not the heir to these propagandists?


            what, cracked pattern, troubadour crunch french rolls?
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 11 September 2012 23: 33
              -2
              Quote: Zynaps
              what, cracked pattern, troubadour crunch french rolls?

              It’s not a sin to be a troubadour
              But trolling is not good!
              Links to the studio to your numbers. And before you troll, first at least familiarize yourself with the topic, there really is a lot of information, do not get confused, by accident. But the night is long, drip your eyes with a visin so as not to blush and gnaw the granite of statistics. I recommend following the link "Pre-war prices (1913) for the cities included in the all-Union retail price index TsSU (in kopecks). I. (further 2 and 3) http://istmat.info/node/7370 note - the famous historical mathematics May the spirits of Bakunin, Plekhanov, Ulyanov, Bronstein and all this camarilla be with you, not to be remembered by nightfall. But they are like relatives to you (and, maybe not how, but yes?), May the Force be with you.
              1. Zynaps
                Zynaps 12 September 2012 00: 20
                0
                Quote: Kaa
                Links to your digital studio in the studio.


                and you do not be lazy and look for "Russia in numbers" for 1913. there are scans on the net.

                otherwise take it right away and refute this:

                http://scepsis.ru/library/id_2163.html

                there is a large list of sources at the end of the article. richer and more impressive than yours. at the same time I recommend L.V. Milov for development. - "The Great Russian Plowman and Features of the Russian Historical Process".

                Quote: Kaa
                And before you troll, first at least familiarize yourself with the topic


                I will let you go forward.

                Quote: Kaa
                and all this camarilla, not by night will be remembered


                and with you Count Fredericks, Metropolitan Two-Legged and coupletist Boborykin.
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa 12 September 2012 02: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Zynaps
                  with you Count Fredericks
                  Have you deigned Count Vladimir Borisovich to keep in mind? I spent here a spiritualistic session with his spirit. In 1913, the main sector of the Russian economy was agriculture, which accounted for 55,7% of the income. Despite this, there was rapid growth in industrial production, in which Russia ranked fifth in the world (USA - 35,8%, Germany - 15,7%, Great Britain - 14% and France - 6,4%, Russia - 5,3 %). (TSB. 3rd ed. 1975.V. 22.P. 226.)
                  In 1897, the gold ruble was introduced, equal to 2,16 Deutschmarks or $ 0,51. In 1913, Russia's gold reserves covered paper money more than 100% (while the main military opponents, Germany and Austria-Hungary, had only about 50% gold coverage). The average annual growth rate of the Russian economy over a quarter century exceeded the development of all other developed countries: 8% in 1889–1899 and 6,25% in 1900–1913 (the decrease is explained by the war with Japan and the attempt of the “first revolution”). To prove the “low standard of living”, pre-revolutionary Russia is often compared with Western indicators of official per capita statistics (salary, consumption, etc.). But the standard of living also depended on the subsistence economy, which is not taken into account in statistics, which is widespread in Russia, that is, actual consumption was much higher.
                  According to official statistics (Russian calendar of 1914 and 1915 by A. Suvorin. St. Petersburg-PG), the average incomes of the population in Western countries were two to three times higher than in Russia, however, obscuring the fact that average food prices , basic necessary goods, housing, (consumer basket, as we would say now) - two to three times higher.
                  In particular, they cite Russia's “hopeless lag” from the West in meat consumption (29 kg per capita in 1913). But, firstly, the Orthodox half of the days of the year are lean, even selling meat was considered indecent during the fast. And, secondly, due to unaccounted for natural (personal, household) farming, according to official Russian statistics, rural residents (even in cattle-breeding areas) consumed meat 10 times less (6,2 kg) than citizens (68,6 kg) , - what could not have happened (no one counted chickens, ducks and geese in the countryside, not to mention fish and game)! However, the total average figure was 29 kg. Another figure seems more real to the truth - the prescribed rate of meat consumption in the army: on the day "? pounds [307 g] or money to buy it ”, that is 112 kg per year - and this is a completely different picture. ("Russia. 1913". St. Petersburg, 1995. S. 305, 293). http://newzz.in.ua/main/1148879051-god-1913-rossiya-kotoruyu-my-poteryali.html And Nikolai Erofeev, whose article you refer to in the net, is an ordinary post-communist "renovationist" who made his career in Soviet times on the criticism of the Socialist-Revolutionaries (associates of the Bolsheviks).
  7. Denzel13
    Denzel13 11 September 2012 08: 43
    +4
    I did not know such statistics. Interestingly, but those who ranked Nicholas 2 as saints knew about this? Although even if they knew it would not have affected.
    1. Svobodny
      Svobodny 11 September 2012 09: 13
      -1
      Judging by your comment, the author achieved his goal - your reaction is a confirmation of this. You swallowed misinformation.
  8. Isk1984
    Isk1984 11 September 2012 08: 44
    +16
    How fashionable it has become today to recall the tsar-father; autocracy, Orthodoxy, nationality, almost paradise resurrected before the age of 17, beautiful ladies, noble noblemen ...... and millions of people who were considered cattle caste society, where everything was born by birth or nothing .... yes someone I made my way, but this is rather an exception to the rule ....
    And even today we are dragged into the paradise of autocracy .....
    USSR is the best that we had ....
    1. gribnik777
      gribnik777 11 September 2012 20: 08
      -1
      Especially from 23 to 53 years. Solovki, the Gulag, Butovo ...
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 11 September 2012 21: 08
      0
      Quote: Isk1984
      caste society in which all or nothing was born by birth.

      Since the site of the military direction, there are few statistics about "caste by origin": "As has been repeatedly emphasized, any officer in Russia was already a nobleman by one of his position as an officer: hereditary nobility was acquired with the very first officer rank of ensign (from 1845 he brought personal nobility , and hereditary gave the rank of major, and since 1856 - colonel.) Therefore, strictly speaking, the entire officer corps was always only noble in composition and could not be different. According to regimental reports for 1755-1758 (16 infantry , 13 cavalry, 24 garrison, 20 landmilitsky - about 42% of all regiments of the Russian army), of the 3737 officers who served in them, children of hereditary nobles, there were 3116 (83,4%), non-noble origin - 621 (16,6%). there were 99 children of personal noblemen and chief officers (2,7%), 215 - soldiers (5,8%), 19 - Cossacks (0,5%), 48 - single-courtiers (1,3%), 44 - peasants ( 1,2%), 14 - townspeople (0,4%), 6 - merchants (0,2%), 23 - order people (0,6%), 56 - clergy (1,5%), 17 - commoners (0,5%) and 80 people (2,1%) who did not indicate their origin {268}. Considering the guard, in the infantry of immigrants from the nobility in 1910 it was 44,3%, in the Cossack troops - 44,6%, in the railway troops - 54,3%, in the engineering troops - 69,5%, in the artillery - 76,8, 79,7% and in the cavalry 1911%. By this time there were quite a lot of peasants and petty bourgeois. Among the most massive detachment of officers - infantry (including the guard) chief officers, in 1912-36, they accounted for 36,3-41,4% - almost the same as the nobles (40,1-38,3%), in the Cossack units, immigrants from the "taxable estate" (here they were mainly Cossacks) made up 41,2-22,1% among chief officers, 24,5-36,6% among headquarters officers, while nobles - 37,4 -55,8% and 59,2-071%, respectively http://www.genrogge.ru/rok/XNUMX.htm ".
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 11 September 2012 21: 25
        +2
        not much wrong, after the Milyutinsky reform, in my opinion the personal nobility was appropriated from the level of lieutenant colonel, I’ll look for it
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 12 September 2012 00: 13
          +2
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          after the Milyutinsky reform, personal nobility in my opinion was appropriated from the level of lieutenant colonel

          That the first came from the archive. then posted. But the essence does not change. Anton Ivanovich Denikin, was there a caste columnar nobleman? Was his ancestor not a serf for an hour? Why, then, as some generals from the noblemen of the column, fought not for the Reds, but with the Reds? What is the mentioned caste? Or here's another "Evdokimov, Count Nikolai Ivanovich
          - Adjutant General, 1804–73. The son of a simple soldier, E. was born in the Caucasus, received the most meager education, but subsequently tried to supplement it with reading if possible. The natural mind, courage and excellent knowledge of the character of the highlanders with whom he had been with him since childhood had put him out of the mass of ordinary officers. His continuous military service began in 1821. In 1850 he was appointed commander of the 2nd Brigade of the 19th Infantry Division and the head of the right flank of the Caucasian line, and in 1855 - the head of the left flank. Prince A. I. Baryatinsky, who recognized E. well during his former service, chose him as his main associate in the conquest of Vost. Of the Caucasus. Within 2 years (1857–58), all of Chechnya was submissive, despite the desperate resistance of Shamil; in April 1859 the village of Veden was taken, from where Shamil fled to his last refuge, Last. fights. awards Evdokimova., conquered and Zap. Caucasus, were the rank of general from infantry and hordes. St. George 2 tbsp. Morality - the son of a simple soldier could become a count. And now is something changed? Only nobility is not present, and some have been dissecting Lexus since they were 18 years old, while others achieve the same with their own hands and head. Everything is unchanged in the moonlit world.
          1. Isk1984
            Isk1984 12 September 2012 10: 23
            0
            These are examples of an exception to the rule, nothing more, and the ordinary son of a peasant would have made his way into the officer corps ...
  9. Drappier
    Drappier 11 September 2012 08: 55
    +3
    About nothing, the angle of view is one-sided. If further figures are given after 17 years, then the statistics "mortality" there will simply go off scale. They blaspheme for the fact that people were shot like dogs in the photo to the article, blaspheme for the fact that peasants who knew how to work were cleaned to the skin and imprisoned, they blaspheme for being exported in packs to Siberia because of one "I bring to your attention"
    1. Russlana
      Russlana 11 September 2012 09: 08
      0
      Well, yes, you think that the ruble was provided with gold in tsarist Russia, what nonsense. Do not remind, before what year did the Bolsheviks have enough gold reserves of the Empire?
      Not a single link to the documents in the article. They wrote there, they wrote here. I can sculpt such articles myself with a dozen per day.
      1. Drappier
        Drappier 11 September 2012 09: 18
        0
        I’m just against these Bolshevik-communist statistical opuses, it’s time for the author to understand that the civil war is a geopolitical catastrophe, a tragedy that plunged Russia into a bloody whirlpool, the echo of which will be heard for hundreds of years.
        1. valokordin
          valokordin 11 September 2012 10: 09
          +7
          And you Drapper, count what victims the return of former times turned out to be — a catastrophe of universal proportions, worse than that whirlpool.
          1. Drappier
            Drappier 11 September 2012 10: 29
            0
            valokordin how for whom, as they say to whom the war ... The collapse of the USSR is also scary.
        2. Zynaps
          Zynaps 11 September 2012 12: 00
          -1
          Quote: Drapper
          I'm just against these Bolshevik-communist statistical opuses


          shoot yourself or make yourself see the facts through a healing lobotomy - business then ...
      2. Fox
        Fox 11 September 2012 11: 07
        0
        just read S.G. Kara-Murza "Stolypin is the father of the Russian revolution" ... but I don’t think you will read it: judging by the comments, intelligence is a luxury ...
    2. Zynaps
      Zynaps 11 September 2012 12: 00
      +3
      Quote: Drapper
      after 17 years, figures are given, then there the statistics "mortality" simply rolls over.


      what year, expert? in Civil and after it, in ruin, died of hunger and flu. but only who is to blame that the country entrusted to him to such a fierce pi ... did he bring it?

      Quote: Drapper
      They blaspheme how the dogs were shot by the person in the photo for the article


      royal people have professional risks. I also bring for the information of experts that the Ural Soviet, by its own understanding, shot the Tsar’s family, in which the majority were for the Anarchists and Socialist-Revolutionaries. and for some reason no one squeals about the emperor Paul killed by a snuff-box in the temple at the hands of his officers ...

      Quote: Drapper
      they blaspheme that peasants who know how to work


      the illiterate fools have kulaks who were village speculators and second-hand dealers (the people drove them - the world-eaters) are now "peasants who know how to work" ... such "peasants" today - in any market. and for the prices on the market go and bow down to them.

      Quote: Drapper
      exported in batches to Siberia because of one "I bring to your attention"


      Again, the room fools do not know that the kulaks were sent into exile not on denunciation, but by the decision of the commissar and with the consent of the village gathering. what to do if the "effective owner" in the village was worse than a pain in the ass.
      1. Drappier
        Drappier 11 September 2012 12: 31
        -3
        Verbal diarrhea appreciated good such clever people as you sleep and see themselves in a leather jacket "ala Shvonder and co" and a revolver, "show this bastard"
        1. Fox 070
          11 September 2012 12: 41
          +6
          Quote: Drapper
          "show this bastard"

          Long overdue! hi
          1. Drappier
            Drappier 11 September 2012 12: 55
            -2
            Quote: Fox 070
            Long overdue!
            It just looks like this laughing
            1. Fox 070
              11 September 2012 13: 14
              +1
              Quote: Drapper
              it looks like this

              There is a time for everything, FROW ONE! bully
              1. DIMS
                DIMS 11 September 2012 13: 32
                +3
                Until you heroically tear your asses off the couch? And how much land are you going to lose in the process of the next evolution?
                1. Fox 070
                  11 September 2012 13: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: DIMS
                  And how much land are you going to lose in the process of the next evolution?

                  And who spoke about the lands? We are talking about the "loss" of orange illusions and their carriers. And our country miraculously lost land under Tsar Alexander 2.
              2. segamegament
                segamegament 11 September 2012 14: 40
                +1
                yeah, only these ear-hooks were hanged not in Donbas, but in Krasnodar. Fact.
        2. Zynaps
          Zynaps 11 September 2012 23: 17
          +1
          Kiso got offended and decided to play the role of homegrown Freud. there would be no materiel to teach. read, for example, Milov's book about the Great Russian plowman. or "12 letters from the village" of Engelgard. well, to know what kind of pies the ancestors abandoned in October 1917 ...
  10. serge
    serge 11 September 2012 09: 09
    0
    Another comparison of the XNUMXth century with the XNUMXth. Well, yes, education became better in the XNUMXth.
  11. volcano
    volcano 11 September 2012 09: 24
    +6
    The author’s love for the USSR is understandable. Here he is not alone
    But scumming RI honestly got tired ...
    And after the revolution, what we are silent ..... about hunger ... cold .... education (when by the beginning of the Second World War the majority had 2-3 classes behind them), and this is a minute more than 20 years ago.

    In the end, there is no need to juggle .... The Russian Empire has existed for more than a century and was the largest country in the world ... and the strongest.

    But the USSR lasted only 70 years ....

    We will be objective and stop looking for witches and extol armed rebellion and the ensuing civil war.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 11 September 2012 09: 30
      +1
      What are 2-3 classes before the war? Why lie so?
      1. volcano
        volcano 11 September 2012 10: 41
        +7
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        What are 2-3 classes before the war? Why lie so?


        Firstly, I did not argue that everyone
        And secondly, this was the place to be

        And thirdly, I do not accept the scum of my own story
        And if in general I am quite normal towards the era of the Soviet Union (I know, thank God it’s not a dissident), then the scum of the Russian Empire, which has gained enormous scope under the Bolsheviks, annoys me.

        This is our story with you ... and the story is glorious ..... great ......
        And the fact that in 1905 the peasant's family did not have a TV or did not drive a Mercedes does not mean that everything was bad.

        Against a global background, based on realities ... our country was no worse than others .....
        And most of the "scientists" know this very well, but they continue to fruitfully vilify RI .... that's enough already .....
        they somehow don’t think, apparently, that not aliens lived in the Republic of Ingushetia, but our ancestors with you who built .... developed new lands .... defended and fought for this country ...... and they (those who lived in RI) is no worse than those who lived under the Union.
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 11 September 2012 10: 25
      +7
      Volkan, if we talk about the timing, you need to remember that after the most terrible war, the destroyed country created a nuclear shield and launched a satellite for 12 years, and four years later a man went into space, and poorly poor people moved from barracks and dugouts to Khrushchev . Compare this to the last 12 years.
      1. volcano
        volcano 11 September 2012 10: 43
        +4
        Quote: sergey32
        Volkan, if we talk about the timing, you need to remember that after the most terrible war, the destroyed country created a nuclear shield and launched a satellite for 12 years, and four years later a man went into space, and poorly poor people moved from barracks and dugouts to Khrushchev . Compare this to the last 12 years.


        Sergey .. I’m not going to argue.
        I do not claim that the Soviet Union is the EMPIRE OF EVIL.
        I just promote the idea that we must respect RI ... this is also OUR MOTHERLAND.
        And do not one-sidedly consider it.
        1. mark021105
          mark021105 11 September 2012 16: 19
          +5
          Nobody wants to slander the Empire. Just got those who litter ONLY the Soviet Union. The author, I think, wanted to show that even under Nicholas it was not all sweet, as the already dead-witted shit-democrats are trying to present to us all. It is precisely that the Empire was large, that everything happened and hungry crop failures, including in one or another province. But no one can deny that only under COMMUNISTS the country achieved universal literacy of the population, the people received free medicine. And all this at the expense of the State, mind you.
    3. Zynaps
      Zynaps 11 September 2012 12: 05
      +1
      Quote: volkan
      The Russian Empire has existed for more than a century and was the largest country in the world ...and the strongest.


      with their tales - to a kindergarten for alternatively gifted. take any statistical collection of tsarist Russia itself and see the smelting, cultivation, and standard of living in the corresponding tables in comparison with other countries of the world. there the difference is sometimes not many times, but dozens of times not in favor of RI.

      another suggestion. go to Flibusta and look for the book of the Russian chemist Engelhardt "12 letters from the village". you read, you are enlightened, you cry into your nearest waistcoat.

      Quote: volkan
      But the USSR lasted only 70 years ....


      the USSR had a lot of "friends". and such a grateful population, learned from fools.
      1. volcano
        volcano 11 September 2012 12: 12
        +5
        Quote: Zynaps
        the USSR had a lot of "friends".


        Well, if you think that RI had fewer, then learn ... learn


        Quote: Zynaps
        you are reading the book of the Russian chemist Engelhardt "12 Letters from the Village"


        Good Russian surname ...... They don’t live with such surnames in the villages laughing
        Yes, and Tolstoy also wrote a lot of things, and what ???
        If you think that a country with a 1000-year history (at least officially) of which more than 700 YEARS fought, and still is in a climate far from ideal for a person to live ... maybe the most chic in the world .... then You are at least fantastic.

        Quote: Zynaps
        with their tales - to a kindergarten for alternatively gifted


        Well, the largest country was just RI, not the USSR, for a minute .......
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 11 September 2012 23: 30
          +3
          Quote: volkan
          Well, if you think that RI had fewer, then learn ... learn


          so we teach. unlike some. when the enemies did not have a television and nuclear weapons in their hands, everything was not so scary. and RI was able to get involved in unnecessary wars on the side of alliances that it did not really need. and lived like that.

          Quote: volkan
          Good Russian surname ...... They don’t live with such surnames in the villages


          when there are no thoughts in the head to objectively argue, they cling to their surname, spelling and the presence of a bald spot.

          just in case, I inform you that among the Engelhardts there was one landowner, thanks to whom a certain serf Taras Shevchenko became known.

          what to do if Katka-2 brought the Germans to Russia and presented them with a fellow countryman with souls. and Peter Alekseich even earlier this good tradition began.

          Quote: volkan
          If you think


          that’s why I love forum demagogues, because they first attribute to the opponent all the crap, and then heroically leaves no stone unturned.

          Quote: volkan
          Well, the biggest country was just RI, not the USSR, for a minute.


          and what comes out of this powerful fact that could shame me?
          is it really the inconvenient fact that Poland and Finland were under the Russian crown while they were fed more abruptly than their own people, and like a roasted rooster pecked, they fell off sharply and did not even begin to feel gratitude for all-all-all?
          1. Russlana
            Russlana 12 September 2012 08: 46
            0
            The Union, of course, did not feed the "potentially fraternal" countries. And even in another hemisphere or on another continent. I did not get involved in unnecessary wars. Yes, international debt is a concept coined yesterday.
            1. carbofo
              carbofo 12 September 2012 09: 48
              0
              Russlana,
              As now, war is fought across the globe, so helping others is sometimes beneficial.

              Well, I’ll write an exaggerated script specially for you.
              You are a small defenseless woman whose only weapon is a squeal, claws and a nail file.

              And an uncle with unclear intentions and a good knife in his pocket is waiting for you in a dark gateway.
              Well, I think the result will be something like this, shabby but alive, with a child in her arms. without money, and eternal fear in the heart, and suddenly!
              It’s completely different when you go with a friend two and a half meters, one kind of which clearly hints.

              By the way, here’s an example, the country was beautiful and prosperous, good uncles came and took away everything that was valuable,
              Now she is poor and puny with terry muslism, and even worms have come out.
              The name does not remind?
              Libya, Egypt, etc.
              1. carbofo
                carbofo 12 September 2012 10: 57
                0
                carbofo,
                By the way! and it’s not you who fled abroad, leaving your two friends to die in the Russian prison.
                Probably appreciated that the masks of the show in the church and the law set the brain, if it was!
  12. xoma58
    xoma58 11 September 2012 09: 28
    +5
    Something my analogies with today began to arise.
  13. Orik
    Orik 11 September 2012 09: 32
    +5
    A very incorrect comparison, you need to compare comparable things. The basis of the economy of the empire is biochemical energy (people and horses), and the union is already the energy of hydrocarbons (motors, thermal power plants, etc.). If we take the transition period, then there was a mass famine in the USSR, and we all know that. Another thing is that the system of state power itself was with serious distortions, it is worth agreeing with this. The peasant under Alexander III paid 7-8 times more taxes on tithes than the landowner. The densely populated provinces suffered from low land and nobody before Stolypin solved this problem, and redemption payments after the reform of 1861, they exceeded the cost of redeemed lands several times and were abolished only after 1905. In general, each system received its own result.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 11 September 2012 10: 14
      +1
      I agree with Orik, but not in everything, but the main thing is that each system has its own result, and we only know the latest results, and what we have not seen is the problem of believing past statistics or not.
  14. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 11 September 2012 10: 03
    -1
    entertaining article ...
  15. Larus
    Larus 11 September 2012 10: 08
    +6
    There’s a link directly to the present, because everything goes to this. Then, the remaining former nobles will sit and discuss what they lacked abroad.
  16. Geton
    Geton 11 September 2012 10: 34
    +1
    Group:
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    From Tupichka:

    http://oper.ru/news/read.php?page=0&t=1051602944

    From the seats reported:

    ... pregnant women fall to the hardest time for them and the hardest work, and in the largest quantity, for the care of many men to the side. And if we imagine the work of a pregnant woman from early morning until late at night in the field, where she should sometimes reach 2-3 or more miles, work such as garden work, mowing, harvesting, or, for example, a shelf, a breakthrough and digging beets, and to do all this, either bent under the sultry rays of the sun, or in the rain, without having other food besides bread, onions and water, it will become clear to everyone that not all women go through all this without some or other consequences for the child . “Never during the year,” says Archpriest Gilyarovsky in his remarkable work, “there are not so many fetal findings, miscarriages, stillbirths, miserable births and never so many unreliable children are born who are happiest during birth, as in July and August.”

    As for the act of childbirth, since a woman works until the last moments, this act often happens outside the home, in a field, in a garden, in a forest, in a stable, or a woman in labor is deliberately placed in a bathhouse and subjected to various violence there, supposedly with the aim of accelerating childbirth, such as hanging, shaking, pulling, etc. and, finally, after giving birth, a woman often already on the 3rd – 4th day gets up and takes up housework again or even goes to the field. Is it any wonder that under all such conditions the woman’s health is rapidly shaken, reflecting even more on the next generation.

    To all of the above, it is necessary to add the harmful effects of extremely unhygienic dwellings, in which people are often placed in terrible crowding, without any ventilation, and even in the community of certain pets ...

    Since the entire population of the village, capable of work, is leaving in a suffering season, i.e. in July and August, in the field, then all the children remain in the care of the same children, adolescents aged 8–10, who also act as nannies. Therefore, one can imagine what is being done with young children under such supervision of children. “Supervision of children is never so insufficient as in July and August,” says Archpriest Gilyarovsky on the basis of her many years of observations, and gives examples of how one nanny, tying the baby’s legs with a rope, hung him upside down from the window and disappeared; another, for example, bored with the fact that a one-year-old baby everywhere ran after her with tears, tied him in the legs and threw him at the stable, when in the evening she looked at the stable, the whole back of the baby turned out to be eaten away by a pig.
    1. Geton
      Geton 11 September 2012 10: 35
      +1
      We will talk about the results of the lack of supervision of adolescents below, now we will consider the living conditions of the infant in the village during the summer working hours. Mother, leaving for work early in the morning, swaddles the baby, suppose even wrapping him in a clean diaper. It is clear that soon after leaving the mother and an 8-10 year old girl assigned to look after the child, who, due to her age and understandable complete misunderstanding of the importance of her task, wants to run and play in the fresh air, such a nanny leaves the child and child for sometimes the whole day lies in soaked and soiled diapers and swaddlers. Even in cases where the mother leaves the nanny a sufficient number of linen changes, it is not in the interests of the latter to change this soiled linen as necessary, since she will have to wash this linen herself. And therefore, one can imagine the terrible situation of swaddled children, wrapped in diapers soaked in urine and feces, and this is also in the hot summer season. The statement of the same observer prot. Will be made completely understandable and not at all exaggerated. Gilyarovsky, that from such a urine compress and from heat “the skin under the neck, under the armpits and in the groins is sore, it results in ulcers, often filled with worms,” etc. It is also not difficult to supplement this whole picture with that mass of mosquitoes and flies, which are especially eagerly attracted to the stinky atmosphere around the child from the decay of urine and feces. “Flies and mosquitoes that swarm around the child in swarms,” says Gilyarovsky, “keep him in a constant fever of injury.” In addition, worms are bred in the cradle of the child and, as we will see below, even in his horn, which, according to Gilyarovsky, are “one of the most dangerous creatures” for the child ...

      We have already said above that in the summer season, mothers go to work, leaving the child food for the whole day, and breastfeed the child only at night and in the evening, returning from work, in some cases only after 3-4 days. The child is left with the so-called nipple and chewing. The first, as a rule, is a cow horn, to the free open end of which a cow nipple is attached, bought either in Moscow in meat rows, or from local butchers in villages. Of course, everyone understands that such a nipple must rot and this piece of rot, no matter whether it will be washed or not, is almost the whole day in the child’s mouth. “Milk, passing through this smelly, dead piece, is naturally saturated with all the rot it contains, and then this poison goes into the baby’s stomach,” says Dr. Peskov (Pokrovsky).

      http://mendkovich.livejournal.com/371548.html#comments

      Many children no longer know what a fright in blessed Russia the Bolsheviks suddenly staged three revolutions in a row.
      Here - about this.

      But these mothers - they did not sing songs about lieutenants Golitsins, and did not sob over the innocently murdered royal family.
      Not up to them.
      1. Geton
        Geton 11 September 2012 10: 37
        +5
        This excerpt is taken from Veresaev's book "Notes of a Doctor", since the author lived / worked in the zemstvos and in the countryside at that time, his opinion can be trusted not for nothing that the book caused a lot of controversy in its time (I advise you to read it).
        1. Fox
          Fox 11 September 2012 11: 12
          +6
          detractors of the USSR only know how to HIT ... read nekosherno ...
      2. strannik595
        strannik595 11 September 2012 12: 05
        -1
        Gilyarovsky laughing probably described the life of his family ............. read his book about Moscow ..... but then he went too far with horror films
      3. gribnik777
        gribnik777 11 September 2012 20: 13
        -1
        So the people lived several millennia before Lieutenant Golitsin. So what?
      4. Kaa
        Kaa 12 September 2012 03: 28
        -1
        Quote: Geton
        http://mendkovich.livejournal.com/371548.html#comments
        Pay attention to the "peasant" surname of the author, referring to a report from some places in the Pirogov Society of 1901. Concurrently, in caring for the peasants of the early 20th century, at the beginning of the 21st century, he is seriously concerned about the failures of the color, swamp and mink revolutions. coincidence, do not come? http: //mendkovich.livejournal.com/584622.html - "Revolutionary Chronicles"
        1. Geton
          Geton 12 September 2012 03: 59
          -1
          What kind of stream of consciousness?
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 12 September 2012 03: 03
      0
      Quote: Geton
      From the seats reported:

      Pay attention to the "peasant" surname of the author, who gave a link from some places to the data of the Pirogov Society of 1901 mendkovich.livejournal.com
  17. Geton
    Geton 11 September 2012 12: 09
    +3
    In Kemerovo region 27 pupils of a boarding school died of starvation
    September 5, 2012 User blogs, genetic trash, Genocide of the Russian people, Home, High treason 9 Comments
    For three years, starvation deaths took place in a boarding school for mentally retarded children, and the director stole money from his own pupils.

    In the Kemerovo region, in the city of Myski, the director of the local boarding school for mentally retarded children Igor Skuratov is convicted. Within three years, 27 pupils died in the institution. The accused received two years and six months probation for abuse of office.

    “The court found out that as a director of a boarding school for mentally retarded children and as an official, he committed actions that clearly went beyond the limits of authority and contradicted the goals and objectives of the institution. Which inevitably entailed significant violations of the rights and legitimate interests of citizens, ”a source in court quoted Interfax as saying.

    During the investigation, it turned out that Skuratov was spending children’s money not only on their own needs, but also on things for the institution. So, among other things, a sofa, irons, washing and sewing machines, and other property for a boarding school were purchased. At the same time, the former director even provided documents according to which the children themselves allegedly donated funds. However, the investigation was skeptical of this statement.

    It is noted that the deceased children were in a state of extreme exhaustion. Nobody looked after them and didn’t feed them. It was also established that the dead were given expired drugs.

    A criminal case was instituted against the head of the institution under the article “Negligence, resulting in the death of two or more persons”. It is noteworthy that the commission of the Ministry of Health did not reveal any violations during the audit.

    Pavel Astakhov also expressed his attitude to this case. The Ombudsman for Children supports the initiation of criminal proceedings and expresses the hope with his help “to more specifically understand the causes of death of children”. In addition, “the investigation will help to establish what needs the children’s money was actually spent on,” Fedpost.ru notes.


    http://dymovskiy.name/archives/23273#more-23273
  18. Mite27
    Mite27 11 September 2012 12: 34
    +2
    I really like * Tikhiy Don * Sholokhov. And I think this work is quite documentary conveying the events of that time. And this is actually a Soviet work and also Soviet cinematography. So, what we see at the beginning of the film are clean, good houses in stanzas, well-fed, well dressed people. And the picture of Gregory’s return home. He is greeted: an abandoned house, a ruined farm and a son in cast-ups. Revolution is always a disaster. As a component, an element of evolutionism. Both tsarism and the USSR are history. And history is always ambiguous and subjective.
    1. Orik
      Orik 11 September 2012 13: 40
      +3
      The Cossacks had about an order of magnitude more land than the peasantry, especially the central provinces!
      1. MI-AS-72
        MI-AS-72 11 September 2012 21: 21
        0
        For the most part, the Cossacks supported the Bolsheviks because they began to take the land in favor of private owners of large landowners.
        1. Mite27
          Mite27 11 September 2012 22: 03
          0
          For the most part, the Cossacks remained faithful to the oath to the tsar. And among the Cossacks there was a stratification of property, but there were different reasons for this.
          1. Zynaps
            Zynaps 11 September 2012 23: 45
            +2
            just do not need fairy tales.

            August 6, 1917 at a meeting of the Terek Troop Circle of the 3rd convocation
            the officer of the 3rd Gorsko-Mozdok regiment Ostapenko set out a demand
            the personnel of the serving Cossacks about the universal and complete talk.
            The Army Circle categorically refused to satisfy these requirements and
            decided to send delegates to convince the regiment against
            gossip. However, the attempt of the Army Circle was unsuccessful. Moreover, the Troops government was forced to make radical concessions to the rank-and-file Cossacks, and on September 12, 1917 at its meeting, with the participation of representatives from the Separate Cossack Executive Committees, adopted a resolution according to which:
            a / Cossacks cannot be sent to pacify the internal
            uprisings;

            b / Cossack units will serve only within the Terek region.

            Demanding requirements were heard in other Troops. So, by
            according to V.P. Danilov, on the Don, Cossacks-veterans spoke with
            the requirement to move to serving military duties on general
            grounds, and a number of Cossack villages decided on their own
            gossip.

            The process of taleing, initiated by the ordinary Cossacks,
            despite the objection of the Terek Army Circle, received in the villages and
            military units widespread support. This support wore a form
            self-telling and open disobedience to the Troops.

            The Cossacks of the eight villages of the Sunzhensky department were the first to distrust Voivsky Ataman. On October 25, 1917, at a meeting of the military section of the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies, they declared that they did not recognize the current Army Circle and the Army Government as their ideological leader, and that they considered it necessary to re-elect the Army Circle, and then work together with the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies, from which the Cossack tops artificially separate them, that the remaining sixty villages of the Tersky Army will follow eight of these villages. Subsequent events showed that in the Terek Cossack Army, indeed, an hostile and even hostile attitude of ordinary Cossacks towards their commanders took shape. So, on December 13, 1917, when the soldiers of the Ufa team at the Prokhladnaya station repaired the massacre of Voiskov Ataman M.A. Karaulov, then not a single Cossack of the village of Prokhladnoy rushed to defend his chieftain. And during the funeral of M.A. Karaulov, the official press reported, there were a lot of representatives from different nationalities, there were only Cossacks, except for deputies of the Circle.

            (Omelchenko I.L. Telling of the Terek Cossacks // Daryal. 1998. No. 3)

            a bloody attempt to create a Cossack republic a little later - also, one must understand, was out of allegiance to the oath of the king?

            and then Alekseev and Kornilov tried to recruit troops on the Don - so they drove them sick. for all power, beginning with the king, tried to cut back
            Cossack lands and freemen. and the All-Cossack Don Cossack army generally turned into such an offshore and state in the state. the former Russian Minister of War Kuropatkin will find a lot of interesting things.
  19. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 11 September 2012 12: 34
    +3
    Geton's latest comment struck.
    In general, the Russian Empire and the USSR have many negative legends famously promoted by corrupt journalists.
    It's just that the "advanced west" litters our airwaves trying to create a state of inferiority in the Russians. There is nothing to be done about the information war.
    And I also absolutely DO NOT NEED UNCONTINUED PUBLIC RUSSIAN TELEVISION, but I want to watch the ZVEZDA TV channel. And I also want each information broadcast product to indicate who made the broadcast product and by what means whether the position of the state coincides with the information in this product.
    1. Geton
      Geton 11 September 2012 12: 51
      0
      What struck you?
      1. AK-74-1
        AK-74-1 11 September 2012 12: 59
        +1
        Circumstances of the crime.
        1. Geton
          Geton 11 September 2012 13: 01
          0
          I have ceased to be amazed at such things since this is already a system! Let the inferior children starve to death, as in some kind of death camp during the Second World War and how the staff of this orphanage could look at it ?!
    2. Fox 070
      11 September 2012 12: 58
      0
      Quote: AK-74-1
      I want to watch the TV channel "ZVEZDA"

      I support, Andrey! I myself watch it constantly and it will be very unfortunate if it is replaced with public Russian television.
  20. taseka
    taseka 11 September 2012 12: 39
    +5
    I read the article and mentally said thanks to the 1917 revolution of the year!
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 7 November 2012 20: 38
      0
      Ie do you like that Jews killed more than 10 million Russians?
  21. mar.tira
    mar.tira 11 September 2012 13: 05
    +3
    It seems to roll back to the Middle Ages! A particularly similar situation is brewing with education. Quotation: at admission to the gymnasium, to refrain from entering the children of coachmen, footmen, cooks, laundries, small shopkeepers and the like, whose children, except for those gifted with extraordinary abilities, should not be deduced from the environment to which they belong. Only children of officials and oligarchs will study at universities (which, by the way, is basically the case now). And they will rule the country. Nothing of the current government is smart ordinary people, workers, and peasants. Dangerous !! ! Now they will introduce compulsory religious education, and that’s it! Farewell to a sober atheistic view of the world! Long live capitalism and slavery, with its predatory parasitic way of life, erected within the framework of the law by the state! You cannot fool us with light from Ivanovo!
    1. Fox 070
      11 September 2012 13: 18
      +4
      Quote: mar.tira
      Goodbye sober atheistic world view!

      To this and goes!
  22. Apollo
    Apollo 11 September 2012 14: 36
    +5
    Only recently we discussed topics about VO and the victims of fascism
    I would like to get a clear and adequate answer from the administration of the Ivanovo region how to understand this !!!


    At the request of the Russian Orthodox Church, a monument to the heroes of the Second World War is demolished in Ivanovo (photo)
    IVANOVO, 11 September. In the center of Ivanovo, the administration destroyed a monument to the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, erected in honor of the anniversary of the Victory over fascism on the square of the 40 anniversary of the Victory.

    The communists and residents of the regional center tried to prevent demolition by going to pickets, protesting the administration, etc. All measures were unsuccessful, the press center of the Ivanovo regional committee of the Communist Party said.
    Last Friday, the communists stood in single pickets next to the destroyed monument, replacing each other. They were holding a poster with the following text: "United Russia people are destroying monuments to the victorious people! Today they are demolishing the monument, in a year they will rename the square, and in 5 years the schoolchild will not be able to answer your question:" What is the Great Patriotic War? "
    Now the square is surrounded by a fence, work is underway to dismantle the monument.
    According to Ridus, the idea of ​​demolishing the monument was born during the construction of the temple on an area a few meters from the monument. According to press reports, the authors of the demolition idea are representatives of the Ivanovo metropolis. To improve the view of the church, more than 10 trees and shrubs were cut down in the square, among them chestnuts, rare for the local nature, that the townspeople loved. Only three trees have survived, but they are also battered by a large-scale construction, and may die.


    More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/federal/2012/09/11/1032809.html
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 11 September 2012 21: 18
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      I would like to get a clear and adequate answer from the administration of the Ivanovo region how to understand this !!!
      Just like Saakashvili !!
    2. igor67
      igor67 11 September 2012 21: 34
      +1
      Apollo,
      in the struggle for spirituality. cripple souls am
    3. characterization
      characterization 12 September 2012 03: 18
      0
      POP TO RESPOND TO FISH
  23. Isk1984
    Isk1984 11 September 2012 16: 11
    +3
    Oh well, what can I say I am not of noble blood and I will honestly say that for me the USSR is a country of great opportunities and accomplishments, and if the new 17th comes, I understand that again there will be a bloody battle as the counter has multiplied (but only the counter can to praise tsarism with its destructive attitude to man as to cattle .... and the new bourgeoisie are ready to defend the brewed good ...
    Here I remember the country grew up on the exploit of a kibalchish boy .... now the bad guys clearly rule strange ..... and planes do not fly and ships do not go ....
    And even when in 17 the whites ran to the west, it turned out that no one needed them there and, for example, no one began to integrate them with their elite, they slowly disappeared into the gloom of history ... and today our rotten "elite" is not needed there like those whom did they fool at home
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 11 September 2012 20: 12
      -3
      By the way, do you know that the "whites" are actually the Russian intelligentsia? doctors, teachers, engineers? and they were replaced by the ancestors of frogs and other Kuminterns?
      1. Mite27
        Mite27 11 September 2012 22: 05
        0
        and who was the backbone of the revolution? thieves in law? wassat
      2. volunteer
        volunteer 11 September 2012 23: 29
        +1
        By the way, how many officers of the tsarist army fought on the side of the Red Army? do not think that during the civil war, on the one hand, a certain noble army of blue blood fought, and on the other hand, it’s not brutalized.
        1. mongoose
          mongoose 12 September 2012 13: 14
          0
          Do you know that the lion's share of these family officers were held hostage?
          1. carbofo
            carbofo 12 September 2012 13: 17
            +1
            mongoose,
            It was different, And the white ones were not fluffy either.
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              Yoshkin Kot 7 November 2012 20: 36
              0
              whites did not raise terror into a political cult, unlike the Judeo-Bolsheviks
  24. volunteer
    volunteer 11 September 2012 18: 01
    +3
    Yes, Tolstoy has a small work "Is it really necessary?" very simply describes that time. poverty, slave labor, drunkenness, illiteracy, priests. There is a phrase there who is literate, he does not believe in anything, and who is illiterate, he believes everything. hence all this priestly demagogy that power is from God, that you plow all your life like an animal, it should be so, that children die at birth, too, so God wanted, and not from unsanitary conditions. well, the people believed so illiterate. and who did not believe so on that and the gendarmes can be set on.
    more than 100 years have passed. and again the same thing. and again the same question.
    now you are only beginning to understand the cruelty of the civil war. all this trash just does not part with power!
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 11 September 2012 20: 10
      0
      sorry to the collective farms count did not live
      1. volunteer
        volunteer 11 September 2012 23: 41
        0
        it’s good that I didn’t live to this day :-) otherwise I wouldn’t understand that this is already the 21st century.
        as my grandmother used to say, you’ll leave the field earlier and the wheat is there, the combine harvesters are plowing around the clock, and now everything is overgrown with weeds. and in the suburbs cottages 4-storey. but earlier, but not with the king, it was a land fund. just to grow wheat.
  25. darkman70
    darkman70 11 September 2012 20: 07
    +2
    Great article. It was possible and much more to write. But this can be noted:
    ", by the beginning of 1913, 62% of large domestic industry was in the hands of foreigners (who did not have Russian citizenship), another 19% - in share or other joint ownership (joint-stock, etc.).

    when admitted to the gymnasium, to refrain "from the children of coachmen, footmen, cooks, laundresses, small shopkeepers and the like, whose children, except those gifted with extraordinary abilities, should not be taken out of the environment to which they belong."

    Christmas trees, sticks, and now not the same trends ??? Literally just wrote about it in a neighboring branch.
    Putin's Russia is a tracing-paper of times of Nicholas II. It’s not without reason that various ideologists are idealizing that time ..
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 11 September 2012 21: 16
      -4
      don't read the tales of bonch-bruevich
      1. Geton
        Geton 12 September 2012 04: 05
        0
        Walk chtol to read?
  26. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 11 September 2012 20: 10
    0
    cool, about the article, I haven’t found a single link to sources other than the mythical Russian weekly. No, I’m lying on one of the kommi forums alluded to the Russian nobleman of the form, and yes that same Ulyanov-Lenin.
    ps the Bolsheviks would have inscribed this shit in the textbook of recent history, so that the dying socialists probably govnovbrosets
  27. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 11 September 2012 21: 24
    +1
    http://afanarizm.livejournal.com/174207.html почитайте статейку тут, в отличии от говновброса есть ссылки и точные данные
  28. sapulid
    sapulid 11 September 2012 22: 17
    -3
    Damn, the article is about what? Probably, it was bad under the tsar if his real incomes were higher than those of his colleagues in the West. It’s worth a little googling. The country's GDP is still compared with the GDP of 1913. Why? Stop cunning. The tsarist government did not lead the world in the export of food, in the presence of a huge number of destitute as a result of natural disasters (droughts, floods, earthquakes, etc.)

    Longing for the USSR? She, with everyone who lived at that time. BUT, REASONS, DIFFERENT,

    IF, THE AUTHOR, JUSTIFIES THE GENOCIDE OF THE PEOPLE UNDER THE USSR, INDICATING THAT THE SIMILAR HAS BEEN IN THE HABIT AND MORE UNDER THE KING, THEN THE BRAINS OF THIS AUTHOR ARE EXPRESSLY NOT IN THE CRANIAL BOX,
    1. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 12 September 2012 00: 30
      0
      Quote: sapulid
      JUSTIFYING THE GENOCIDE OF PEOPLE UNDER THE USSR

      And if possible, voice the numbers of how many people perished during the USSR, when they perished, as a result of which perished.
      1. sapulid
        sapulid 12 September 2012 18: 13
        +1
        Fursenko's reform in action. You should have learned from a history textbook about the "crop failure" of grain, which led to millions of deaths in the Volga region and adjacent regions. I recommend that you google a little about the famine in the Volga region and find out, for one thing, how much grain was exported from the USSR during this period. You know, it's a shame not to know that. Apparently, that's why you sing praises.
        In the USSR, there were many good things, but there was also the use of chemical weapons in the Tambov province by Tukhachevsky during the suppression of the peasant uprising against the surplus appropriation, there was also the extermination of the Volga region, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and the Don region by famine, there were mass executions of Cossack villages, with the destruction of the Cossacks "as a class" under the leadership of Trotsky, after promises not to use reprisals in the voluntary surrender of weapons ...
        You can't be "Ivan, not remembering kinship." Study the history of the USSR, at least, from the history textbook of the 70-80s.
  29. 12Ural12
    12Ural12 12 September 2012 00: 21
    0
    Now it is generally accepted that in Yekaterinburg, the Yids (or the Bolsheviks - as you like) killed the martyr Tsar Nicholas II. No, Jews in Yekaterinburg, by military necessity, shot the chief Jew of Russia. And now, Jews of all nationalities (from the Russian "nobleman" Mikhalkov to the Jew Nemtsov) complain about the murdered relative. There is a reason: this Jew at one time was not badly settled on the neck of Russia - the tsar. Everyone then understood this and at that time no one in Russia - from the peasant to the serving nobleman - did not regret this "great martyr".
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 13 September 2012 08: 11
      0
      completely uncomfortable? The king called the Jew? and who then do you think these faces are?

      ССЫЛКИ
























      REPENTANCE



      "AND IT'S TIME!"

      "KINGDOMS"



      Actually, we need to take a list of unsuspecting murderers, that is, those who specifically shot into the Royal Family, and did not guard or wash away the blood. Here are those that are known for certain that they shot:
      Yankel Khaimovich Yurovsky - secret agent of the International, the main performer, grandfather rabbi.

      The team of “Austro-Hungarian” executioners:
      Andreas Vergazi
      Laszlo Horvat
      Victor Greenfeld
      Imre Nagy
      Emil Fekete
      Azelm Fisher
      Isidor Eidelstein
  30. s1н7т
    s1н7т 12 September 2012 00: 50
    +1
    Tsarism is insanity. The USSR was probably ahead of time. Today, many in the West are studying our experience. For 20 years, we have been practicing our administration (according to the stories of friends who studied this issue there professionally). And yet - I will not pick up weapons, except for the protection of the family and loved ones. The country that feeds the oligarchs, I will not protect.
  31. characterization
    characterization 12 September 2012 03: 22
    +1
    AND EVERYTHING BEGINS FROM SPARK TODAY WITH IN hi
  32. Russlana
    Russlana 12 September 2012 09: 08
    0
    By the XX century a fairly high standard of living was also characteristic of the working provinces. NS Khrushchev recalled that until 1917, working as a locksmith in the Donetsk mine, he was living materially better than in the 1930s, when he was a high-ranking party official in Moscow "... working as a simple locksmith, he earned 45 rubles. at the price of black bread at 2 kopecks, on white - 4 kopecks, a pound of fat - 22 kopecks, an egg was worth a penny, shoes, the best Skorokhodovsky ones - 7 rubles. What is there to compare. When I conducted party work in Moscow, I didn’t have half of it, although I occupied a rather high place. ” Then Khrushchev honestly admits that in the 1930s. "Other people were even worse off than me." It is clear that ordinary workers and office workers received much less than the secretary of the Moscow City Party Committee.

    But, perhaps, N. S. Khrushchev belonged to a highly skilled labor aristocracy and his standard of living was very different from most workers? By 1917, Khrushchev was only 22 years old and he simply did not manage to get such a qualification. In 1909, a contemporary, demanding to add a salary to young scientists, said - “only a bad locksmith gets 50 rubles. per month - the salary of a candidate for a professor - and a good locksmith receives 80 - 90 rubles. per month". Consequently, the young N. S. Khrushchev received not as a representative of the labor aristocracy, but as a "bad locksmith." His standard of living was typical.

    The Bolsheviks raised the workers to the revolution, promising them golden mountains. But in reality, the policy of "war communism" of the Bolsheviks led Russia to an economic collapse. By 1921, Russian industry reduced its productivity by 7 times, and the standard of living of workers, as recognized by the economist Bolshevik Kritsman, fell to 1/3 of 1914. During the NEP, the standard of living of workers began to gradually rise to the level of 1914, but the policy of industrialization again threw him back. Only in 1950 - 1970 the standard of living of workers gradually approached the standard of living in tsarist Russia, however, in the era of "perestroika" and "liberal reforms" its new decline occurred.

    The modern historian, Doctor of Historical Sciences B.N. Mironov calculated that even in 1985 in the Soviet Union the standard of living of workers did not increase significantly compared to 1913, and the level of tsarist Russia was not reached for many products by this time. So in 1913, a carpenter could buy 135 kg for a monthly salary. beef, and in 1985 - only 75 kg. But, we add, in 1985, unlike 1913, the worker could buy so much meat only theoretically - this product was sold on coupons - 1 kg - over the entire territory of the state. person for a month. As a result, nowadays, the majority of Russian citizens (except for several regions of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Moscow) living on a salary “can buy less food for it than a skilled worker in 1913 and even in 1853 - during serfdom”
    1. volunteer
      volunteer 12 September 2012 10: 17
      +3
      these "memories" are the product of a certain Vladimir Puzanov,
      Head of the Department of Theology, SUSU. this is a bike. card system system is a product of the early 90s. but not in 1985. Of course, the current government is interested in replicating this opus, since their own achievements are equal to zero. Before copying such nonsense, you'd better actually read the books first, and not the murky notes of the priest.
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 12 September 2012 13: 17
        0
        yah? What did I do with this "product" in the store in the 80s? buying out 1 kg of meat, 1 kg of chicken, 600 gr of boiled sausage and 200 gr. butter ???? per month????
        do not carry stupid young man
    2. Isk1984
      Isk1984 12 September 2012 10: 42
      +3
      You Ruslana go too far, the social security that was under the USSR for workers, for example canteens, kindergartens, sanatoriums, resort boarding houses (where any worker could go on a trade union ticket), medical assistance, and a lot more, and what to dream of even navryatli until 17 I could ... and I also don't know how it was with the food, but my great-grandfather, who found the glorious tsarist times, often used to say such a saying, "and you knew chicken legs, but you knew how their master ate .... You can't imagine Ruslana. everyday life and life of a simple Russian worker and peasant, and the USSR gave people the opportunity to live like a human, believing in a bright future that children will live even better ... Here and finally, the millstones of history grind slowly but surely, I am sure that without October 17 ... Our country would not have withstood the onslaught of Germany in 41, since if Hitler had come to Power he would have been somehow pushed to the east, only then there would be no famous Soviet industry with a colossal mobilization potential, no Gurevich a, Mikoyan, Lavochkin, Ilyushin, Shpagin, Simonov ... no, since no one gave them education, they did not allocate money for some "crazy projects" .....
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 12 September 2012 13: 18
        -1
        at the expense of a penniless salary, which should not be rolled over from the gentleman's shoulder laughing
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 12 September 2012 14: 00
          -1
          mongoose,
          This is the total consumption of the country divided by the number of inhabitants.
          For example, I eat a kilogram of meat per day almost without a garnish and bread, what do I cry now that I am undernourished with butter?
          1. mongoose
            mongoose 13 September 2012 08: 05
            0
            and? in general, I talked about my own coupons, and he likes not 2 but XNUMX kilograms of meat to buy a problem and the prices are not the same
  33. mongoose
    mongoose 12 September 2012 10: 36
    -1
    “Hunger” in the Russian Empire (1890-1910s) - Part I
    For reasons that are not entirely clear, the topic of famine in the late Russian Empire is not very popular among modern scholars, whose efforts, it seems, are mainly focused on studying the hunger strikes of the Soviet period. This "non-closeness" of the topic results in the formation of numerous myths regarding the last decades of the existence of the Empire and provides food for numerous speculations, which generally boil down to replicating the old theses of Soviet propaganda about the "hopeless, hungry" life of peasants under "tsarism."

    I, by no means pretending to “close the topic”, tried to the best of my ability to sort out the “hungry” problems of Russia in the 1890-1910s and present the results to respected readers. The study consists of 6 parts: briefly outlines the background on which there was a “hunger”, establishes “hungry” years and territories, describes the state-owned food capital system designed to provide the population with food in times of difficulty, measures taken by the government of the Empire and efforts The public on overcoming the consequences of the “famines” finally investigated the topic of mortality and analyzed the fake popular in certain circles related to this last topic. Well, very briefly conclusions.

    It turned out a lot of letters, so do not blame me

    The upper limit of my research will be 1911 as the year of the last serious shortage in the Russian Empire. The lower border is 1891, the year of the largest famine in the last decades of its existence. The Soviet historian Egiazarova at the beginning of the 1890s determines the peak of the agrarian crisis that seized Russia in the early 1880s [1, p. 85]. I must say that this crisis was actually global, affecting England, France, Germany, the eastern states of the USA and other countries, but it came to our country with about a ten-year delay.

    The crisis coincided with major changes in the structure of agriculture. The gradual migration of the peasant population to the forest-steppe and steppe zones led to a sharp increase in grain harvests in the southern chernozem regions (and a drop in grain production in the areas of traditional agriculture - Central Black Earth and Central Black Earth). However, the backward farming methods that are characteristic of communal farming led to the rapid depletion of cultivated soils - the peasants were almost never used fertilizers (even natural ones, like manure). The second important factor was natural - in the territories under development, the weather played a decisive role in the collection of bread (droughts and dry winds were frequent).

    All this predetermined the fact that if earlier the northern and north-western provinces suffered from crop failures, then from the 1880s their epicenter began to move to the southeast and east, and from the 1890s it also captured the chernozem center.

    http://afanarizm.livejournal.com/174207.html
    ANSWER TO THE DELADY ARTICLE HERE
  34. amikan
    amikan 12 September 2012 13: 52
    +1
    Many still from school left the idea of ​​tsarist Russia as a serfdom, in which the vast majority of the population eked out a slave existence. But if you look ... Peasants were the largest population group in Russia (according to the general census of 1897, three quarters of the country's inhabitants were peasants). But not every one of them was serf: in the middle of the 18th century, according to the Russian historian Gauthier, 53 percent of the peasants were serfs, the rest were state-owned. And gradually the number of serfs was declining: by 1861, only a third of the peasants were dependent on the masters. In addition, many foreigners living in Russia in the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth centuries, admitted that Russian peasants live better than their French or, say, Polish, Italian counterparts.
  35. dark_65
    dark_65 13 September 2012 07: 56
    0
    Normally the peasants lived .... who wanted to work ...