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The terror of the rebels in Aleppo and the care of the government of Syria about the people

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The terror of the rebels in Aleppo and the care of the government of Syria about the peopleSeptember 9 in the second largest city of Syria - Aleppo, in the quarter of Kurra Ardiya a powerful explosion thundered, as a result of which 27 people were killed and 64 injured. But this is not the final data - many of the wounded are in the worst condition. After the explosion, a strong fire broke out in which people were burning alive ...

The explosive, in the amount of tons of TNT equivalent, was laid in a minibus. A powerful device destroyed two hospitals and an elementary school. Medical personnel and defenseless patients at Al-Hayat and Al-Markaziy hospitals are among the dead.

The organized resistance of the militants, arrogantly trying to capture the city, was broken by the Syrian army. Attacks on military bases are repelled. The terrorists tried to storm historical a monument of world importance - the famous Aleppo Citadel - but a small group of soldiers defended it for several days until reinforcements arrived.

Now the bandits turned to the tactics of mass terror. They simply take revenge on the inhabitants of the city. After all, the people here did not support this bloody pseudo-revolution. In all the cities where there were clashes, the locals helped the army, but in Aleppo this assistance was the most significant - and all strata stood up against the rebel traitors. The workers joined the people's guards, the students went to volunteers helping the soldiers and people, the businessmen said that they would restore everything destroyed at their own expense.

In impotent rage, foreign hirelings are now blown up by schools and hospitals, stadiums and residential buildings ... It goes to temples - September September insurgents bombarded two churches and a monastery with grenade launchers. In addition, they staged a terrorist act against the water supply system, leaving two districts of the city without water. Although the false media tried to accuse the legitimate government that it turned off the water. However, the governor of Aleppo Muhammad Wahid Akkad personally denied these rumors and promised to restore the damaged by the bandits as soon as possible.

Not only Aleppo residents suffer from the actions of rebel terrorists. So, in Damascus, a mined motorcycle was blown up. The explosion occurred near the mosque at the moment when people were leaving it after the Friday prayer. 5 people died, dozens suffered.

On the same bloody Friday, September 7, another explosion occurred in the densely populated Mezze quarter. Only by luck, there were no casualties, although the explosion occurred in broad daylight. But damage was caused to residential buildings and many cars were destroyed.

Another bloody crime happened the same day. Armed militants fired mortar shells at residents of the Yarmouk metropolitan area, where refugees from Palestine live. 10 man killed, many wounded.

Prior to that, two more similar crimes were committed against the same Palestinians, whose guilt was in front of the brutal insurgents only in refusing to join in hostile actions against the country that sheltered them.

The elders of this Palestinian region issued a statement in which they stressed that the purpose of such criminal actions was to sow fear among people and stir up hostility between two fraternal peoples, the Palestinians and the Syrians.

Yes, kindle discord, sow fear, shed blood - this is what the enemies of recalcitrant Syria want, in which first all nations, all confessions, all nationalities coexisted peacefully, where a peaceful traveler could travel around and set up a tent on the ground without fear that he would be robbed and killed, where the President could travel without protection around cities and villages and visit both temples and mosques, where the Supreme Mufti and the Patriarch accompanied the people on their last journey, where no one ever asked whether you were a Sunni, Alawites or a Christian ...

Let us distract a little from the bloody horror into which the pseudo-revolutionaries plunged the country, seeking to drag her, at best, in the Middle Ages ...
Syrian Minister of Education Gazwan Al-Vaz visited a school for gifted children in Damascus. During this visit, he stated that the government would do everything to support such schools so that every talented child could go there. And already this year, despite the difficult situation in the country, additional such schools have been opened in six provinces of the country. A country that survives only by a miracle cares about the younger generation.
Health Minister Saad An-Naif inspected several hospitals, listened to the wishes of both patients and workers. It was noted that there was enough medicine, there was a strategic reserve, but modern medical equipment was needed. He also met with the delegation of the trade union of doctors. He thanked medical workers for their civic courage and dedication, for the fact that they perform their professional duty, despite the danger to life - after all, quite a few doctors were killed by brutal bandits. However, doctors work, even in the hottest spots.
Syrian Prime Minister Vail Al Khalki visited the places of residence of refugees who were forced to flee from the areas where terrorists are operating. He personally checked that these people receive everything they need - financial assistance, food, shelter, medical services. He also noted that the government provides financial assistance to public and volunteer organizations, whose members show considerable courage in helping these people.

So, here's a picture of what is happening.

The leadership of Syria is building new schools - the bandits are blowing them up.

The leadership of Syria is building hospitals and supplying them with medicines, supporting medical personnel - gangsters blow up hospitals and kill doctors.
The leadership of Syria is taking care of refugees who are in dire straits - gangsters are shelling them with mortars, shedding innocent blood.
And the hypocritical Europe these days again, this time through the mouth of Baroness Catherine Ashton’s “wrestler for human rights”, says that the legal leadership must go. Europe has tightened sanctions against Syria - all in line with the proclaimed State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland of the policy, the purpose of which she stated frankly - "to tighten the noose." This is the 17 package of sanctions against a rebellious state in the Middle East.

The Syrian people are not broken by sanctions, not broken, and attempts to silence him. So, on September 9 a huge demonstration took place in the seaside town of Tartus. Its participants protested against the decision of the League of Arab States to disconnect Syrian TV channels from sputinkov. The obedient companies Nilesat and Arabsat fulfilled this decision, which has nothing to do with the principles of true democracy, but, on the contrary, crosses out these principles.
But here it is, democracy - a huge crowd of Syrian people, went out into the street to have their say! Portraits of President Bashar al-Assad, Syrian banners proudly screaming in the warm wind from the sea, slogans of anger addressed to enemies, words of support for Syrian journalists — this is the true unruly spirit of Syria, which does not kneel before a frantic hostile conspiracy!
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  1. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 11 September 2012 09: 04
    +16
    The Syrian people show the whole world that they do not want to go down in the Middle Ages and live according to the canons of crazy fanatics who enjoy the wild executions of defenseless people. Let's hope that this people will be able to destroy the geeks who, for the money of the Saudis and arrogant Saxons, are trying to destroy their country.
  2. Karish
    Karish 11 September 2012 09: 08
    +1
    Another bloody crime happened the same day. Armed militants fired mortar shells at residents of the Yarmouk metropolitan area, where refugees from Palestine live. 10 man killed, many wounded.
    Prior to that, two more similar crimes were committed against the same Palestinians, whose guilt was in front of the brutal insurgents only in refusing to join in hostile actions against the country that sheltered them.
    The elders of this Palestinian region issued a statement in which they stressed that the purpose of such criminal actions was to sow fear among people and stir up hostility between two fraternal peoples, the Palestinians and the Syrians.

    Dear Elena, please comment on the OOP statement on this subject. Sincerely.
    Yasser Abd Rabbo, Secretary General of the Palestine Liberation Organization, accused the Syrian authorities of bombing the Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp in Damascus, killing 21 people, including two children. Authorities said the shelling was carried out by opposition SSA militants. "The shelling from the mortars of the refugee camp was carried out by the Syrian regime," said AbdRabbo, because "Only the regime in Damascus possesses such weapons in Syria, and only the troops of President Assad are firing at civilians, including refugees."

    Let me remind you that the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) is a representative of the Palestinians, including in refugee camps in Syria.
    1. igor67
      igor67 11 September 2012 09: 16
      +3
      Quote: Karish
      Yasser Abd Rabbo, Secretary General of the Palestine Liberation Organization, accuses Syrian authorities of bombing Yarmouk, a Palestinian refugee camp in Damascus
      1. vezunchik
        vezunchik 11 September 2012 20: 03
        +1
        Do not let the bandits go! After the assassination of Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian movement simply fell apart .... Israel did its job ...
    2. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 11 September 2012 09: 31
      +7
      AbdRabbo, this gentleman is lying frankly. There are enough mortars for the militants. He saw the video laid out by them as they fired from mortars.
      1. igor67
        igor67 11 September 2012 09: 37
        +5
        Quote: Leha e-mine
        AbdRabbo, this gentleman is openly lying

        maybe he is lying, but it shows that there is not any unity in the Arab world, who will pay the most and the Hazyan, while he received money from Assad he was a brother, now a criminal.
        1. Andrey_K
          Andrey_K 11 September 2012 16: 12
          0
          And here is the answer why Hamas was paid to go to another camp:
          http://lenta.ru/news/2012/09/11/friends/
          The Egyptian government has allowed the radical Palestinian movement Hamas to open a permanent mission in Cairo, Yediot Ahronot writes with reference to the Arab press.

          According to this information, as part of the warming of relations between the Palestinian extremists and the Egyptian authorities, active cooperation began between their security services and intelligence.

          In particular, Hamas representatives handed over to the Egyptians lists of terrorists related to the August attack on the Rafah border post, during which 16 Egyptian border guards were killed. Gaza also promised Cairo to provide maximum assistance in the capture of these people.

          Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniya, is expected to visit the Egyptian capital, where he will hold talks with local dignitaries. As expected, it will be about creating a free trade zone on the border of the sector and Egypt. Palestinians hope that this will ease the economic blockade by Israel.

          They even surrendered their militants, who attacked the Egyptian border post.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 13
            +2
            Not quite mine. Competitors. Salafists. These are even more radical guys than Hamas.
      2. Karish
        Karish 11 September 2012 09: 53
        -1
        Quote: Leha e-mine
        AbdRabbo, this gentleman is openly lying

        Abed Rabo, the gentleman holding the 2nd post in the PLO (this is Fatah - Yasser Arafat, that would be clear). He probably has more connections with Syria and information than the same Elena (at least), speak with statement - this is not an article to shove somewhere, this has at least consequences. The PLO is the representative of the entire Palestinian people and the Palestinian Authority. I do not think that he would jeopardize the lives of 250 thousand Palestinians living in Syria with outright lies.
        Well, yes, I am waiting for the comment of the respected ELENA, who is in the thick of things and having the most truthful information. Sincerely.
        1. Old
          Old 11 September 2012 10: 39
          +2
          Quote: Karish
          He probably has more connections with Syria and information than that of the same Elena

          Yeah, they threw SMSku bandits to his mobile.
          Comrade, you just said such a crap, I almost believed that Abed Rabo himself ran between the troops and refugees and persuaded him not to shoot! But in fact, if I saw that Euronews, then everything is clear to you.
          1. Karish
            Karish 11 September 2012 10: 58
            +1
            Quote: Old
            Comrade, you just said such a crap, I almost believed that Abed Rabo

            You probably do not understand anything in the Middle East realities and the post that this person occupies. And the information that he has. That's just funny.
            1. Lech e-mine
              Lech e-mine 11 September 2012 11: 02
              +3
              Do not fool me with your realities. It is necessary to judge according to human affairs. If Abed Rabo says that the militants do not have mortars, then I say that there are MORTARS IN Militants.
              1. Old
                Old 11 September 2012 18: 17
                +2
                Quote: Lech e-mine
                If Abed Rabo says that the militants do not have mortars, then I say that the MILITIONS OF Militants

                Of course, the militants in Syria have nothing but a wooden horse, no mortars, no tanks, and they have no weapons:



                This anecdote was told by Marat Musin in "Syrian Chronicle" # 8 Analysis of what is happening and forecast. So there the militant got a mule in his head that he was invisible and he ran into battle, full-length on a soldier, when his soldiers of the Syrian army later asked: “... you go, but he answered sincerely, so me - the same mule said that I am invisible !? ".
                So I suppose that Abed Rabo also talked with a mule at his leisure!
        2. Lech e-mine
          Lech e-mine 11 September 2012 10: 55
          +2
          Tell me what is the point of the Syrian army firing at the Palestinian camp (utter absurdity). Well, Mr. Abed Rabo could well get a LARGE bribe from interested people that needs to be worked out (remember the speech in Egypt by the Egyptian president).
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 15
            -1
            Well, the same as they restrict the rights of Palestinians living in these camps. I recommend rummaging in nete regarding this information. And look about the situation with the camps (and these are not tents, these are cities) in other Arab countries. Maximum restrictions compared to other residents of the country. And a huge saturation with weapons.
        3. Shooter308ful
          Shooter308ful 11 September 2012 11: 37
          +3
          I’m not Elena, who is in the thick of things, but I’ll try to reflect.
          Who benefits from mortar shelling of refugees from Palestine in Syria?
          To the legitimate President of the country in which these refugees officially received shelter, shelter and land?
          It even looks ridiculous to shelter in one’s own country, and then once .... and from the mortar in FIG. This action, followed by this misinformation, is clearly prepared for people fooled by the pseudo-democratic media of the West and their Arab sheikhs, satellite-free on free oil money. And they don’t give a damn about the brothers by their faith, they will kiss with the devil even if only the money of the USA and Europe flowed to them.
          But it is very profitable for the United States, the West and their corrupt (but wrong) Arab countries to carry out this action from mortars on Palestine refugees in order to slander the President of the country, who sheltered them in this mortar bombardment. This action is just a dumb lie designed for brainless idiots.
          And another purpose of this provocation is to sow discontent with this deception on the part of the Palestinian refugees who are inside the country of their host. So to speak, a ready contingent for the next "fifth column" in attempts to overthrow the legitimate government of Syria and the collapse of Syria in the wild Middle Ages.
          Abed Rab - the second person in the PLO this type confirms that the official Syria fired from the mortar of his compatriots. This suggests that the corrupt skins of his people are in high posts.
          As noted by others above, these mortars, as well as means of defeating the Syrian air force, destroying these very bandits, have already been delivered to terrorists, foreign mercenaries operating in Syria, the USA and the West.
          So hello to you, who claims that the President of the refugee sheltering country gave the order to open mortar fire on these same refugees.
          1. BeTeP
            BeTeP 11 September 2012 14: 40
            0
            about the presented video, correct it if it’s not right, but it’s dark, but you can see that on the flag that the demonstrators are waving, the upper bar is red - as far as I know, the CCA changed the flag changing the color from red to green ... then it’s not clear why the girl is behind the scenes , says the demonstrators supported the SSA and called for the overthrow of BA ...
            PS
            I’m sure that a person who lives in a war-torn city and at the same time tries to work as a special correspondent doesn’t have much time to sit on forums ... so I think you can not wait for an answer from the source, but discuss the video in more detail than simply believing the authority of the channel and Mr. Abed Rabo, who also does not understand how he so quickly understood the situation, formed an opinion and even voiced it without being at the scene ...
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 18
            0
            Respected. These "refugees" received their name by a special UN decision. These are not "refugees" - descendants. Moreover, no one considered the Israelis forced to flee the Arab countries as refugees. Anyway. Now rummage around, for the sake of interest, and find out in what rights the Palestinians living in Syria and Lebanon are limited. From birth. And the reasons will immediately become clear. Moreover, it was not Israel that limited the rights of these people, but Syria, Lebanon and other countries.
  3. aktanir
    aktanir 11 September 2012 09: 33
    +1
    Well, the West TV channel. In their spirit, call terrorists and bandits rebels and revolutionaries.
  4. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 11 September 2012 09: 39
    +1
    Yes, situations like in Libya should not be allowed ... otherwise, now the happy Americans are shipping oil at $ 25 per barrel
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 19
      0
      And in more detail about this fairy tale it is possible. With proofs
    2. Che
      Che 13 September 2012 07: 24
      0
      Sasha 19871987,
      The other day, the Amer ambassador thundered, as he would come back and respond. Where amers there is blood.
  5. Trailer
    Trailer 11 September 2012 10: 04
    +3
    "After all, many doctors have already been killed by brutal bandits ..." I don’t understand one thing. How can you say that the bandits are brutalized. It is as if to say that a person has become human. Oil is oil. Bandits do not have a homeland and belonging to people!
    1. Karish
      Karish 11 September 2012 10: 14
      -6
      Quote: Karavan
      How can we say that the bandits are brutalized? It is as if to say that a person has become humanized. Oil is oil. Bandits do not have a homeland and belonging to people !.

      Very simply, in Elena’s comments about Hamas bandits, they are soft and fluffy. Therefore, out of habit, she writes, brutal bandits , what would be more understandable. She has good bandits and bad or very bad (brutalized)
      1. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 11 September 2012 10: 48
        +4
        And you compare the reports of the Western press, as soon as ASADA is not called there (they made him a cannibal, he’s already eating children)
        1. Karish
          Karish 11 September 2012 10: 54
          0
          Quote: Leha e-mine
          And you compare the reports of the Western press, as soon as ASADA is not called there (they made him a cannibal, he’s already eating children)

          Yes, I don’t want to compare, I neither believe either. For me, the fact is that there is a civil war. the prerequisites for civil wars are described in the relevant literature and they are the same for everyone. Who's guilty ? Rulers admitting such premises. That's it .... The rest is propaganda.
          1. Lech e-mine
            Lech e-mine 11 September 2012 11: 06
            +2
            I do not agree with you. There are laws of economics, politics, and simply laws of nature against which no GOVERNOR IS ABLE to cope. In the place of Assad, there could be another person and it is not a fact that he would have acted differently.
            1. Darck
              Darck 11 September 2012 12: 22
              -4
              I do not agree with you. There are laws of economics, politics, and simply laws of nature against which no GOVERNOR IS ABLE to cope.
              Well, yes, there is a law of attraction, according to which planes should not fly, and rockets should fall, only the system works only for those who believe in it. In place of all the people here present, honest, white and fair, I did not trust anna news and this Elena, at least because they are financed by white and fluffy ... You want to know the truth, forward to Syria.
              1. Che
                Che 11 September 2012 14: 21
                0
                On the afternoon of September 11, a powerful explosion occurred at the police station in the Turkish city of Istanbul. As a result of the attack, at least one person died, three more were injured, the Turkish television channel NDV reports. The walls of the building collapsed.

                The explosion in the Sultanbeyli area was carried out at about 11:00 local time. According to preliminary information, the explosive device was launched by a suicide bomber.

                A criminal case has been instituted on the fact of the incident. So far, no terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the crime.

                Another major attack was in Istanbul in March 2012. Then the explosion thundered at the office of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP). The bomb was planted in the passenger compartment of a car parked near a police bus. The police suggested that the attack was connected with the parliamentary elections in the country.

                Read the full story: http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/11/09/2012/668928.shtml
                Well, that's what amers and rats did.
                1. tekinoral
                  tekinoral 11 September 2012 14: 24
                  -1
                  And so everyone knows that he blew up the PKK
                2. Pimply
                  Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 20
                  0
                  Respected. Do you think that Turkey has been quiet all these years?
              2. BeTeP
                BeTeP 11 September 2012 14: 48
                +1
                Quote: Darck
                Want to know the truth, forward to Syria.

                what a vicious circle it turns out :) wanted to find out the truth, rushed into the thick of events, you start telling others, and in response to you: "I did not trust, at least because they are financed by white and fluffy" .. and already another went, wrote and again Stanislavkoe "I do not believe" ... how then do you propose to act?
                1. Darck
                  Darck 11 September 2012 15: 07
                  0
                  Well, that's what amers achieved

                  And here the United States, in Turkey, and earlier carried out terrorist attacks, the same PKK that by the way supports Syria.
                  what a vicious circle it turns out :) wanted to find out the truth, rushed into the thick of events, you start telling others, and in response to you: "I did not trust, at least because they are financed by white and fluffy" .. and already another went, wrote and again Stanislavkoe "I do not believe" ... how then do you propose to act?
                  Every country has its own system, there are people who support this system and people who believe in this system. The media is what supports the system, and all who support them believe in this system. When some people say our system is better, we’re white those are black, people stupidly impose opinions. Therefore, I prefer not to believe the system, but to see everything with my own eyes. People want to know the truth, but they don’t even know what the truth is, can you tell me what the truth is?
                  1. BeTeP
                    BeTeP 11 September 2012 15: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: Darck
                    Every country has its own system, there are people who support this system and people who believe in this system. The media is what supports the system, and all who support them believe in this system. When some people say our system is better, we’re white those are black, people stupidly impose opinions. Therefore, I prefer not to believe the system, but to see everything with my own eyes. People want to know the truth, but they don’t even know what the truth is, can you tell me what the truth is?

                    Well, first of all, then it prevents you from seeing everything with your own eyes? secondly, it seems to me that you are not trying not to believe the system, but simply justifying the opinion formed in advance - that a thread like "once ours said, it means propaganda", but at the same time you are diligently trying to drive away from yourself the idea that an opinion you have already formed may be imposed on you by other sources ... and thirdly, since I wanted to philosophize, however, as one of the paths to Truth - the reflection of the object by the cognizing subject, reproducing it as it supposedly exists by itself, as if outside and independently of the cognizing the subject and his consciousness. Truth is tied to the subject of observation, there can be several equal truths at the same time, in contrast to Truth, which is always one ...
                    Well, and fourthly, I will listen with pleasure to your version and argument. Why is Elena still telling a lie if you, nevertheless, agree with point three?
                    1. Darck
                      Darck 11 September 2012 15: 59
                      +1
                      Well, firstly, then what prevents you from seeing everything with your own eyes?
                      No opportunity.
                      secondly it seems to me
                      You seem right to you))
                      You are not trying not to believe the system, but simply justifying the opinion formed in advance - that a thread like "once ours said it means propaganda", but at the same time you are diligently trying to drive away from yourself the idea that your opinion may be imposed on you by other sources. ..
                      Everything can be, maybe I'm a manic psychopath, or maybe I just know what I'm talking about.
                      and thirdly, since I wanted to philosophize,
                      I wanted to know your opinion, definition and meaning of the word that you attach to it, and not excerpts from any site that you inserted here).
                      truth, as one of the paths to Truth, is the reflection of an object by a knowing subject, its reproduction as it supposedly exists by itself, as if outside and independently of the knowing subject and his consciousness. Truth is attached to the subject of observation, there may be several equal truths at the same time, in contrast to Truth, which is always one ...
                      And so, each perception of objective reality is subjective, depending on beliefs, religion, upbringing, etc. From this we can conclude that the truth in the human understanding is subjective for everyone. Therefore, what Elena writes is a subjective view of what is happening, that is, it cannot be the truth.
                      1. BeTeP
                        BeTeP 11 September 2012 16: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: Darck
                        No opportunity.

                        there is no possibility - take a word :)
                        Quote: Darck
                        You seem right to you))

                        So it seems or all the same:
                        Quote: Darck
                        Everything can be, maybe I'm a manic psychopath, or maybe I just know what I'm talking about.

                        and if you still know then where?
                        Quote: Darck
                        I wanted to know your opinion, definition and meaning of this word, and not excerpts from any site that you inserted here).

                        and I completely agree with Plato :)) but about "inserted" - so this is a well-formed philosophical definition .. why should you call your fingers in vain?
                        Quote: Darck
                        And so, each perception of objective reality is subjective, depending on beliefs, religion, upbringing, etc. From this we can conclude that the truth in human understanding is subjective. Therefore, what Elena writes is a subjective view of what is happening, that is, it cannot be true.

                        that's just the opposite, "dear comrade" :) what is the generally accepted definition, that your own clumsy calculations in the quote say what Yelelna says the truth :)
                        which means that if you agree with your own definition and are not a "manic psychopath", then you must agree with Elena's veracity, or with the fact that they imposed your own opinion ... well, or tell nakraynyak where did you come from so knowledgeable and what kind of truthful you operate with the facts;)
                      2. Darck
                        Darck 11 September 2012 16: 30
                        -1
                        there is no possibility - take a word :)
                        Everyone speaks and speaks a lot, in a word show.
                        So it seems or all the same:
                        All the same, it seems to you)
                        and if you still know then where?
                        If I tell you, I will have to kill you, and it’s painful ...
                        just the opposite, "dear comrade" :) what is the generally accepted definition,
                        That is, you didn’t understand anything) that’s why I’m saying your opinion, not copy-paste.
                        or with the fact that they imposed your own opinion ...
                        You see, there’s a snag, you’re now calling the truth what the other people have imposed on you and are trying to blame me for this =)
                      3. BeTeP
                        BeTeP 11 September 2012 16: 40
                        +1
                        no .. it’s just not interesting with you :( you didn’t understand anything. As a last resort, the cap seems to hint once again that there is truth, but there is truth ... and Elena tells the truth (no one stuttered about the truth)! when you you realize you can still practice quoting Bond, or think about the subjectivity of everything that happens, the coherence of reality and a bunch of philosophical calculations ... it’s advice from a clearly a little older person - if you don’t want to continue to disappoint others in yourself, keep them to yourself .. . wink

                        good luck! killer and tormentor wassat
                      4. Darck
                        Darck 11 September 2012 16: 56
                        0
                        no .. it’s just not interesting with you :(
                        Just a carrion phrase, especially when the brow has nothing to say and he wants to get down.
                        you didn’t understand anything.
                        How to deploy ....
                        To the end, the cap seems to hint once again that there is truth, but there is truth ... and Elena tells the truth
                        Once again, I remind you that there is a circle, but there is an oval and each interprets it in its own way .... And for some, the oval may be a circle that it will show to another and someone who has not seen the circle before will believe that a person really (shows) speaks of a circle and for him it will become true. For the future, when you say something or defend your ideas, make sure that they are really yours.
                      5. Old
                        Old 12 September 2012 03: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Darck
                        I remind you that there is a circle, but there is an oval and each interprets it in its own way .... And for someone, an oval, maybe a circle

                        Well, my friend, at school we studied that two parallel lines do not intersect, but you found an ellipse (oval) in a circle, here I see three ways:
                        ♂ Urgent treatment
                        ∑ Learn a little
                        ♫ Stop smoking all sorts of nastiness
                        Do not fool people with their heads, and re-read the written "... and someone who hasn’t seen the circle, will believe ..", what kind of heresy ?!
                      6. Darck
                        Darck 12 September 2012 11: 25
                        -1
                        Well, my friend, at school we studied that two parallel lines do not intersect,
                        You really, old and boring ... studied at school, but if you hadn’t studied? I wrote clearly
                        someone who has never seen a circle
                        .
                        Do not fool people with their heads, and re-read the written "... and someone who hasn’t seen the circle, will believe ..", what kind of heresy ?!
                        Yes, it’s very difficult to be old. If you didn’t understand, it was an analogy with the war (which is different for each one), were you in Syria? I doubt it very much, so here you are the one who did not see when the circle is. If Of course at your school, you have not yet studied the impending war in Syria.
                        ♂ Urgent treatment
                        ∑ Learn a little
                        ♫ Stop smoking all sorts of nastiness

                        I agree to study and quit smoking.
                      7. Che
                        Che 13 September 2012 07: 36
                        0
                        Darck,
                        When there is nothing to say in their defense, they switch to sophistry, but the truth is always the same. So said the pharaoh and he was very smart ... laughing
                      8. Darck
                        Darck 13 September 2012 19: 08
                        -1
                        When there is nothing to say in their defense, they switch to sophistry, but the truth is always the same.
                        Another copy-paste, is the truth always the same or the truth? You already figure it out among yourself.
                        You do not explain; you impose on people the idea of ​​destroying regimes and people that you do not like. Any country and people have the right to live as they want. Not your golden billion.
                        Poor thing ... I'll send you flowers in the mail.
                      9. Che
                        Che 14 September 2012 08: 01
                        0


                        Darck,
                        Poor thing ... I'll send you flowers in the mail.

                        Your irony is inappropriate. For the most part, people are still kind. This universal people spoil them with their permissiveness and pseudo-democracy.
                      10. Darck
                        Darck 14 September 2012 10: 21
                        0
                        Your irony is inappropriate. For the most part, people are still kind.
                        You only recently wrote that we are evil, we are imposing ideas of extermination, inciting misanthropic theories, and we are also oppressing people’s rams .... Here I am such a tyrant, a humanist hateful oppressor of you, as a sign of his sorrow ... I will send you flowers .
                      11. Che
                        Che 14 September 2012 13: 59
                        0
                        Darck,
                        You only recently wrote that we are evil, we are imposing the ideas of annihilation, inciting misanthropic theories, and we are also oppressing people ...

                        Where is the truth here? You work out an order as an Amer’s Troll - probably an evil tyrant. And the people who work hard to feed themselves are mostly kind. But you are not good for him.
                      12. Darck
                        Darck 14 September 2012 18: 22
                        0
                        Where is the truth here? You work out an order as an Amer’s Troll - probably an evil tyrant.
                        Yeah, I also eat children ...
                        But you are not good for him.
                        oh, oh, you must be in great despair, since you switched to such insults .. fighter for justice)
                      13. Che
                        Che 13 September 2012 07: 34
                        0
                        If I tell you, I will have to kill you, and it’s painful ...

                        And such people will vparivat us their misanthropic theory. Down with you tyrants. The oppressed freedom has already begun in Libya.
            2. Karish
              Karish 11 September 2012 16: 58
              -1
              Quote: Leha e-mine
              There are laws of economics, politics, and simply laws of nature against which no GOVERNOR IS ABLE to cope

              And why should he cope with them? You don’t have to cope with the laws, you have to live and manage so that they don’t break them

              Quote: Leha e-mine
              . In the place of Assad, there could be another person and it is not a fact that he would have acted differently.

              Mubarak acted differently (though now in prison), but the people did not shoot, President Emen acted differently, as well as Tunisia and Algeria.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 22
                0
                Shot. But not very active.
              2. Che
                Che 13 September 2012 07: 41
                0
                Karish,
                Well, that they handed over their countries to amers, this is weakness, this is betrayal. So do the last villains. Against their background Gaddafi the martyr and hero.
          2. Trailer
            Trailer 11 September 2012 11: 13
            +3
            But what is the name of the civil war with the financing of one of the parties from the outside? Isn't it just war?
            1. Lech e-mine
              Lech e-mine 11 September 2012 11: 21
              +2
              As one gentleman used to say, this business is nothing personal.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 24
                0
                In the novel, the phrase was diametrically opposite - This is not just business, it is personal
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 23
              +1
              All the same - civil war. Take any of the civil wars. There have always been mercenaries and outside interference - and, as a rule, on both sides.
              1. Darck
                Darck 12 September 2012 11: 36
                -1
                All the same - civil war. Take any of the civil wars. There have always been mercenaries and outside interference - and, as a rule, on both sides.
                You explain this to people who see everything on the same plane in which they themselves want to see.
                1. Che
                  Che 13 September 2012 07: 44
                  0
                  Darck,
                  You do not explain; you impose on people the idea of ​​destroying regimes and people that you do not like. Any country and people have the right to live as they want. Not your golden billion.
          3. Old
            Old 11 September 2012 11: 38
            +2
            Quote: Karish
            Yes, I don’t want to compare, neither I believe neither

            And this is your civil law, but there are two significant differences: the Western press takes pictures (or makes an editing) with its own explanation of the report behind the scenes, mind you, the Syrian and loyal media outlets in Bashar are taking an interview in hot pursuit from the scene where the installation is done impossible or very problematic. Secondly, our and Syrian media are on the move with a real military group where clear talks are heard. At igor67 (shelling of the Palestinian refugee camp), the announcer herself drew all the points over “Yo”, that is, she herself said the opinions of the refugees, answered for the doctors, fluently in the night (or staged) showed a bunch with flags of three stars and an upper green stripe and a lot of faq.
            So what to compare, he likes-not he likes, but surrenders.
            1. Karish
              Karish 11 September 2012 17: 06
              +2
              Quote: Old
              And this is your civil law, but there are two significant differences: the Western press takes pictures (or makes an editing) with its own explanation of the report behind the scenes, mind you, the Syrian and loyal media outlets in Bashar are taking an interview in hot pursuit from the scene where the installation is done impossible or very problematic

              Exactly the same reports with similar tales, I see daily from Israel, where the BBC, CNN carry such bullshit and frank lies. Therefore, I have long learned to filter, you need to look at the root, and everything else is husk.
              Quote: Old
              Secondly, our and Syrian media are on the move with a real military group where clear talks are heard.

              The entire press is engaged and carries out a specific order. The truth is generally hard to find. you must at least get to the bottom of the causes of the conflict

              Quote: Old
              the announcer herself drew all the points over “E”, that is, she herself said the opinions of the refugees, answered for the doctors, fluently in the night (or staged) showed a bunch of flags with three stars and an upper green stripe and much more.
              So what to compare, he likes-not he likes, but surrenders.

              Approximately such productions. I come from both Gaza and Lebanon. Where the same people from different angles are now wounded, then killed, then again alive, running with machine guns. For you it is a curiosity, for us it is not.
              1. Che
                Che 12 September 2012 11: 03
                0
                The truth is generally hard to find. you must at least get to the bottom of the causes of the conflict

                The cause of the conflict is inflated by amers to the extreme. All problems could be resolved at the negotiating table. Universal humans do not allow this to happen. Well, everything is clear, for them the Arabs are not people, but consumables in their global game.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 12 September 2012 13: 10
                  -1
                  Dear, negotiations are a thing of the past when the demonstrations were shot. There, no one was ready to go on half measures. Now this is a religious-national conflict
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 26
              0
              Dear, if you had ever worked as a journalist, inconsistencies in the work of Syrian state TV would have cut your eyes literally every 10 seconds. The Westerners also happen - but less often.
          4. Dimon Lviv
            Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 13: 49
            +1
            Karish, the prerequisites for a civil war are almost IN ANY country.

            But in the Case of Syria, you can inflate the revolutionary situation out of them, and maintain it for a long time, ONLY ARTIFICIALLY - helping the rebels financially, with weapons, medicines, intelligence, and manpower - for example, French mercenaries, Chechen, Libyan, Afghan, Jordanian are sent to Syria Tunisian.
            Mercenaries and volunteers from all countries that are allies of the United States or where the United States have at least some influence.
            Karish, do you admit that without the constant support of rebels from abroad, Syria would have cope with terror and banditry long ago?
            1. Karish
              Karish 11 September 2012 17: 14
              0
              Quote: Dimon Lviv
              But in the Case of Syria, you can inflate the revolutionary situation out of them, and maintain it for a long time, ONLY ARTIFICIALLY - helping the rebels financially, with weapons, medicines, intelligence, and manpower - for example, French mercenaries, Chechen, Libyan, Afghan, Jordanian are sent to Syria Tunisian.

              I agree, it’s possible to inflate, but any underground (terrorist) should have the support of the population. In the case of Syria, this is not a gang of 100 people — it’s tens of thousands. And without the moral and material support of the local population, they would not have survived. Until either French or German there are no mercenaries there. The same gang roaming around the countries, from Bosnia, to Libya and Syria. All the same Muslim brothers (by the way, Chechens are also spotted there).
              Quote: Dimon Lviv
              Karish, do you admit that without the constant support of rebels from abroad, Syria would have cope with terror and banditry long ago?

              Without a doubt, but there is support and there is support for the people, that’s the problem.
              You just do not understand, Assad Alavit, he can no longer rule the Sunnis, the point of no return is passed. It will take time, but 10% of the population will not be controlled by 70% (percentage of Sunnis). Do not look at Syria as a homogeneous state, it has never been like that. And Papa Assad, who pressed the Sunnis more than once, put 70 thousand in Khome in the 40s. This is not the first rebellion.
              1. Dimon Lviv
                Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 19: 17
                0
                Karish -
                but any underground (terrorist) should have the support of the population
                - I have already said above that in ANY country of the world there is a certain percentage of dissatisfied.

                And now attention, you have a question:

                HOW MANY Syrians support Opposition terrorists? What percentage of the population?
                And is this percentage entitled to demand something from the majority?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 33
                  -1
                  Well, as if before the shooting started, there were demonstrations. And they went through all the major cities, including Damascus. And they were very extensive. There was a huge shaft of messages from Syria on social networks - this is what the Arabists noted. Aleppo behaved more or less quietly - people there lived richer, the Kurds, the Alawite enclaves. The Alavites in the country 15% somewhere, they have the main power, and the best trained army units. Sunnis - percent 70%. Kurds can be considered relative neutrals. Like the Druze. Another 10 percent of Christians is also a big question. So consider it. Unemployment was more than 20%, many Syrians went as guest workers to Lebanon. Poverty. So consider it. Despite the fact that this uprising is not the first.
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 11 September 2012 23: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Unemployment was more than 20%, many Syrians went as guest workers to Lebanon. Poverty. So count. Despite the fact that this uprising is not the first

                    Remember, even after Turkey built the dams, the water shortage in Syria became catastrophic, with their unsustainable agriculture, most of the peasants were ruined and clearly rushed to the cities. This also gave a big impetus. Uneducated, poor and very religious believers flooded the city. By the way, such a peasant outcome has been observed for more than 8 years; time was enough for moving
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 26
                      0
                      In Egypt, by the way, there were similar prerequisites.
              2. Che
                Che 12 September 2012 11: 07
                0
                Karish,
                Well, there are many mercenaries. From Libya, Arabia, Turkey, even special forces of Britons and Francs there. Turkish officers command this scum. Amer on the side rubbing his hands.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 12 September 2012 13: 12
                  -1
                  They said well about rabble. Toughly so, decisively. Are you aware that it is precisely because of this approach that Russia has lost Arab Sunni countries for a long time?
              3. Che
                Che 13 September 2012 07: 50
                0
                Karish,
                In the case of Syria, Libya, these are precisely gangs of looters and mercenaries from countries of the region. This is clear to everyone.
            2. Che
              Che 13 September 2012 08: 25
              0
              Dimon Lviv,
              +++ Yes, all people are trying their best. Apparently their goal is to create a buffer zone around the perimeter of Russia.
          5. Che
            Che 11 September 2012 14: 25
            0
            Karish,
            In the south of Turkey, in the city of Gaziantep, near the police building, an explosion occurred, which killed at least eight people, the Associated Press reports. About 50 people were injured, among them police officers.

            An explosive-filled car exploded in the city and was blown up using a remote control. No one has yet claimed responsibility for the attack. Meanwhile, it is known that militants of the Kurdish Workers Party are fighting in this part of the country, fighting to create Kurdish autonomy within Turkey.

            Since 1984 in armed clashes between government forces and Kurdish separatists, tens of thousands of people died.

            It is also worth noting that it was in Gaziantep that the Turkish authorities opened a center for receiving international humanitarian assistance for refugees from Syria. According to some estimates, in Turkey there are 77 thousand Syrians who fled the country because of the civil war.

            In March of this year, a similar attack occurred in Istanbul. Then, with the help of the remote control, a bomb was found, which was in a motorcycle parked next to a police bus. Ten law enforcement officers were injured. None of the terrorist organizations claimed responsibility for the attack.

            Read the full story: http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/20/08/2012/665456.shtml
            A sad but thoughtless policy of amers leads to an escalation of violence.
            1. tekinoral
              tekinoral 11 September 2012 14: 37
              0
              10 died, 4 of them are children the youngest one and a half years old, they have already been caught and again PKK

              that's who kills the PKK
              1. Karish
                Karish 11 September 2012 17: 21
                0
                Quote: tekinoral
                that's who kills the PKK

                I agree, a terrorist organization. By the way Ocalan catch (if you know who it is), helped the Mossad Turks. In Germany, even the Kurds broke into the territory of the embassy (Israel) and burned himself alone.
                1. tekinoral
                  tekinoral 12 September 2012 00: 08
                  0
                  Of course I know and am grateful, but you too know the authorities sooner or later leave and the peoples remain, we helped each other more than once!
            2. Karish
              Karish 11 September 2012 17: 19
              +1
              Quote: Che
              and in the south of Turkey, in the city of Gaziantep, near the police building there was an explosion that killed at least eight people, the Associated Press reports. About 50 people were injured, among them police officers.

              Well now tell me that the Kurdish seperatists are also supported by the West. First of all, they are listed as terror. organizations, and Turkey in NATO - is this not enough for you? And the fact that they urinate with the Kurds (40 million of them for a minute), because oak, stubborn Turks. It is necessary to give autonomy to the Kurds, so many people cannot be suspended here and there
              .
              Quote: Che
              A sad but thoughtless policy of amers leads to an escalation of violence.

              In the garden of elderberry, in Kiev, uncle. And then amers and Kurds?
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 36
                +1
                Kurds have a certain autonomy. But certain.
              2. tekinoral
                tekinoral 12 September 2012 00: 19
                0
                Karish, Turkey has 12 mil Kurds, 3 mil mixed families eat, we have ministers and deputies full of Kurds, we even had a Kurdish president, and the Turkish Kurds and Iraqi Kurds don’t want to separate 80% in any case understand each other hard
              3. Che
                Che 12 September 2012 11: 14
                0
                Karish,
                It’s worth digging a little deeper — everywhere is Uncle Sam’s paw. Kurds are very ancient people without statehood. Jews helped Israel create. Queue for the Kurds.
            3. Pimply
              Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 34
              +1
              Respected. If you dig a little more, you will find a few more recent terrorist attacks in Turkey. There has long been an internal war, with the Kurds. And very tough.
              1. tekinoral
                tekinoral 12 September 2012 00: 22
                +1
                Eugene, our war is not with the Kurds, but with the PKK, like you do not with all the Arabs who live with you.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 29
                  0
                  The separatist Kurdish parties are not only the PKK, agree. And they are present not only in Turkish Kurdistan. For convenience, combined. I’ll be a little more accurate - the war with the Kurdish separatists.
                  1. tekinoral
                    tekinoral 12 September 2012 00: 45
                    0
                    in Iran eats pjak. you know I myself fought there in the RPK, not all Kurds there are not few Armenians there, eat Yezidis and Arabs but in a minority
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 12 September 2012 01: 04
                      +1
                      An interesting topic, in general. But, in principle, it is logical and predictable. Although still expecting more monoethniki. However, recalling that the civil wars of different years, that the divisions of countries, that the separatist uprisings, there always arose either offended, or minorities, or adventurers.

                      I think in the near future there is a possibility of a breakaway of Syrian Kurdistan and Iraq. How much they will go further there is a separate topic.

                      By the way, as in Turkey, the latest situation with Israel is being considered: cooling in recent years. I understand that much can depend on areas or sections of society - but in general (well, the same Mavi Marmara, for example)? Your view would be interesting.
                      1. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 12 September 2012 01: 23
                        0
                        in my opinion, this is all a game, it’s unlikely that yours and ours will risk losing each other, they’re already looking for apology options so that both sides are satisfied, in my opinion everything was thought up earlier so that our Arabs reconciled, it seems to me like that, maybe I'm mistaken
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 01: 27
                        +1
                        I think Erdogan was looking for an opportunity to counterbalance the old elite and strengthen its position not only in the country, but also in the world. From a certain moment it became clear that Europe is not going to rapprochement, Asia has its own cockroaches. The Islamic world remained. And here it’s easier to play cards - you will not find 8). The question is how it will go next. I am afraid that the aggravation of relations will continue.
                      3. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 12 September 2012 01: 36
                        0
                        Maybe it’s cold, but the aggravation is unlikely, my opinion is still a match, Turkey builds good relations with the Arbs and then becomes an intermediary between Israel and the Arabs, Israel and Turkey are not those states that are easy to refuse, Erdogan and Lieberman certainly tried to glory
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 01: 40
                        0
                        I do not agree. In Israel, there was a shock from the behavior of Turkey in the situation with Mavi Marmara. Before that, Turkey had a real chance of influencing both Arabs and Israelis - everything was quite balanced. A jump to the side immediately removed Turkey from all potential negotiations.
                      5. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 12 September 2012 01: 47
                        0
                        a new map, Israel is also present, with the Arabs, we did not add up to Erdogan either, my opinion is that if everything is as you say, I hope that they will fix the situation soon
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 02: 05
                        +1
                        It’s real - only time will tell. Sometimes such factors emerge that are virtually unrealistic to predict.
                      7. Che
                        Che 12 September 2012 11: 19
                        0
                        Pimply,
                        On the territory of three countries, human beings will create Kurdistan. Everything goes to that.
              2. Che
                Che 12 September 2012 11: 16
                0
                Pimply,
                Why haven’t UN or NATO troops been brought into Turkey to restore order? laughing
                1. tekinoral
                  tekinoral 12 September 2012 11: 20
                  0
                  UN led troops to the North Caucasus?
                  1. Che
                    Che 13 September 2012 08: 35
                    0
                    tekinoral,
                    But NATO wants to send troops to Syria, like Libya screwed up hoops.
                2. Pimply
                  Pimply 12 September 2012 13: 14
                  +1
                  There are some differences in the genocide or bombing of cities in a full-scale uprising throughout the country, and in the fight against separatists and / or terrorists.
          6. Flooding
            Flooding 11 September 2012 16: 57
            +2
            Quote: Karish
            For me, the fact is that there is a civil war. the prerequisites for civil wars are described in the relevant literature and they are the same for everyone. Who's guilty ? Rulers admitting such premises. That's it .... The rest is propaganda.

            And those who supply weapons? Those who feed this bloodshed and are not guilty of human and material and information resources?
            Here is how! A one-sided look is obtained from your side, even though you are closer.
            1. Tourist Breakfast
              Tourist Breakfast 11 September 2012 17: 44
              0
              Well, Assad is supplied with weapons, etc. from outside such countries as Russia, Iran and China. So in this sense, neither side has significant advantages.
              1. Dimon Lviv
                Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 19: 19
                +2
                Assad’s weapons are delivered completely legally.
                Are Syrian rebels legally wielding weapons?
                Even in America in private hands do not sell MANPADS!
                1. Tourist Breakfast
                  Tourist Breakfast 12 September 2012 11: 00
                  +1
                  Legal / illegal is another matter. As I understand you, you wanted to say that the Syrian rebels exist only thanks to foreign assistance. But as we can see, this is equally true of Assad himself. In fact, of course, without the support of the population, neither one nor the other would have lasted long. So we have a civil war here, whatever one may say. Naturally, as in any civil war, foreign states try to use the situation for their own purposes, betting on the side that will be more inclined to cooperate with them after it prevails.
                  And about the rule of law - unfortunately in Syria there is currently no legal (and bloodless) way to change power. The costs of dictatorship.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 12 September 2012 13: 15
                    -1
                    Oh finally from someone a reasonable look at the question
            2. Karish
              Karish 11 September 2012 18: 00
              +1
              Quote: Flood
              And those who supply weapons? Those who feed this bloodshed and are not guilty of human and material and information resources?

              Of course to blame, but you confuse the causes and effects. Do not start a mess in Syria, no one would supply weapons and sponsor the rebels.
              You know how, if you don’t marry, then you don’t have to get divorced. . Where is the cause, and where is the effect.

              Quote: Flood
              Here is how! A one-sided look is obtained from your side, even though you are closer.

              I’m just not one-sided. I see the cause of the conflict. And whoever ties in to him from one side or the other is a consequence. Sponsors and interested people have been, are and always will be. The reasons for the conflict should not have been allowed.
              1. Assad's son - a weak ruler (probably due to intelligence), this is neither his father nor his brother Basel - (whom his father prepared for the receivers, but he died in a car accident). Bashar was always weak, a simple ophthalmologist in London, but his father died and in * democratic * Syria, power is inherited (there is also a brother - Maher, he is more charismatic and military to the core), but he is 3 years younger than Bashar and therefore automatically he couldn’t be the first (this is such a democracy, the sameness is taken into account). In general, Bashar is weak and fell under the control of old-timers like Mualem (Minister of Foreign Affairs), who had long forgotten that the 21st century is in the yard and the world is changing. , youth Sunni rise, they also wanted their pie, but everything was tied to the Alawites and Christians.
              Here is a reason for dissatisfaction, and then a technical matter and a moment. The moment has come, after the events in Tunisia, and swept through all the Arab countries.
              Yubashar should not have spread rot Sunnis. and enter more widely in management. you’d look and it did not start.
              Here is my opinion. Manage must be commensurate with the situation, and not rely on old-timers such as Mualem and company.
              1. Dimon Lviv
                Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 19: 24
                0
                Karish -
                Do not start a mess in Syria, no one would supply weapons and sponsor the rebels
                - that is, the rebellion in Syria (which the West himself inspired in many ways) is that an occasion to start delivering weapons to the rebellious MINORITY in violation of international conventions and Syrian laws?
                Maybe you consider the rebellion a circumstance justifying the unsanctioned supply of arms to one of the parties?

                By the way, what's going on there in Palestine? I suddenly wondered if the Russian Kornet or the newest RPG-32, which the Palestinian freedom fighters DO NOT have, will burn through the armor of your publicized scrap metal, well, the one that is Merkava. You have a kind of HAMAS mother tongue, right? This is how I, by the way, asked, I ask you to answer the questions above.
                1. Karish
                  Karish 11 September 2012 19: 40
                  -2
                  [Quote]Dimon-Lviv] that is, a rebellion in Syria (which the West himself inspired in many ways) is that an occasion to start delivering weapons to the rebellious MINORITY in violation of international conventions and Syrian laws?
                  Maybe you consider the rebellion a circumstance justifying the unsanctioned supply of arms to one of the parties?
                  [/ Quote]

                  Dimon, be real and look wide. The West plays the third violin there. Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey - initiators, inspirers, sponsors.
                  [quote =Dimon-Lviv] By the way, what is going on there in Palestine? [/ Quote]
                  Nothing changes. they both ran around the world with outstretched hands, and run.
                  [quote] [Dimon-Lvov] I suddenly wondered if the Russian "Cornet" or the newest RPG-32, which the Palestinian freedom fighters DO NOT have, will burn through the armor of your publicized scrap metal, well, the one that "Merkava""[/ quote]
                  There is a long time, not burn. His active defense will bring down.
                  ] [quote]According to ITV's Second Channel, for the first time, a new anti-tank missile defense system "Vetrovka" ("Meil ha-ruach") destroyed an RPG shell fired at an Israeli tank by Palestinian terrorists. The shelling of Israeli armored vehicles was carried out by militants on the territory of the border area of ​​the Gaza Strip.
                  [quote] The anti-tank defense system was able to determine the moment of launch and detect the location of the missile flying at a speed of over 100 kilometers per hour. The Windbreaker then fired a projectile that knocked down the RPG rocket as it approached the target. None of the IDF soldiers were injured, the army press service reports today
                  . [/ Quote]
                  [quote =Dimon-Lviv] You have a Hamas matte, yes? [/ Quote]
                  He is not a rebellious one, he butts with Fatah who owns power in the autonomy. Here and urinate each other regularly. Remember carefully, Hamas in shelling Israel (after Cast Lead) does not participate and, to the best of its ability, impedes others. That’s it. Learn the mathematical part. hi
                  1. Dimon Lviv
                    Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 20: 52
                    +1
                    Well, you can be considered the inspirer, organizer and performer of the LAS country and Turkey, your right. But still, please answer my questions:
                    Is the rebellion in Syria an occasion to start delivering weapons to the rebellious MINORITY in violation of international and Syrian laws?
                    Maybe you consider the fact of the rebellion a circumstance justifying the unauthorized delivery of weapons to one of the parties?

                    By the way, the militants who fired at the tank did not use the "Cornet", it would still be interesting to test it on your "Windbreaker" ...
                    1. Karish
                      Karish 11 September 2012 21: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: Dimon Lviv
                      Is the rebellion in Syria an occasion to start delivering weapons to the rebellious MINORITY in violation of international and Syrian laws?

                      There is no reason, but many sneeze at it. By the way, you referred to the laws, it was Russia that blocked the resolution prohibiting the supply of weapons to Syria. And there is no resolution who delivers and who wants it. Turkey and Saudi Arabia recognized the opposition as a representative of Syria; from their point of view, the supply of arms is legitimate. You may not agree, but this does not cancel the fact.
                      Quote: Dimon Lviv
                      Maybe you consider the fact of the rebellion a circumstance justifying the unauthorized delivery of weapons to one of the parties?

                      No, I don’t think so, but many do not give a damn about it. The most interesting thing is that by blocking the resolution on the supply of weapons to Syria, Russia untied their hands.
                      Demagogy agrees, but the world is full of such discrepancies. Hamas is probably freedom fighters for you, I have a different point of view. For you, Chechens are separatists. for the Saudis, independence fighters. And now, persuade them not to help them, because you support Hamas and Hezbollah, but for me they are enemies.
                      Neither are the enemies of olnyh always the enemies of everyone else.
                      1. DIMS
                        DIMS 11 September 2012 21: 13
                        0
                        You confuse legal supplies to the government and illegal supplies to the rebels.
                      2. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 22: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: DIMS
                        You confuse legal supplies to the government and illegal supplies to the rebels.

                        Go to court laughing
                        You don’t understand when the house is on fire, it’s too late to write on the fire. Bashar didn’t have to do this, but now it’s legal, not legal. How to stop illegal Saudi deliveries? You can spit on the Saudi flag.
                        If you go into demagoguery, problems cannot be solved.
                        To stop the supply of weapons can only sov.bez., Who do you think is stopping this bully
                      3. Dimon Lviv
                        Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 23: 33
                        0
                        Bashar did not need to be brought to this
                        - How would you explain that it was not Bashar who brought the country to this, but the West and the countries of the Arab League?

                        You know who the organizer of the "Arab Spring" is?
                      4. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 23: 55
                        +2
                        Quote: Dimon Lviv
                        how would you explain that it was not Bashar who brought the country to this, but the West and the countries of the Arab League?

                        Come on, to the west Syria was generally on a drum, and in the Arab League Syria was almost the main country.
                        Quote: Dimon Lviv
                        You know who the organizer of the "Arab Spring" is?

                        First of all, mediocre Arab regimes. Look at the poverty level in Syria, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, the unemployment rate and the number of young people under 21 years of age. Draw your own conclusions
                      5. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 11 September 2012 23: 59
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                        Why did you diplomatically keep silent about Libya
                        Quote: Karish
                        First of all, mediocre Arab regimes. Look at the poverty level in Syria, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, the unemployment rate and the number of young people under 21 years of age. Draw your own conclusions
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 33
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                        In Libya, the situation was somewhat different. Several regions of the country were actively sponsored - those in which the clans lived close to Gaddaffi + the capital. The rest were actively ignored. See where the rebellion began. Plus - quite strict restrictions on political life, murders, etc. - The colonel was a very tough dictator. People should not only be fed with bread. Other values ​​also exist.
                      7. Karish
                        Karish 12 September 2012 07: 04
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                        Quote: Allex28
                        Why did you diplomatically keep silent about Libya

                        Yes, I just forgot, one of the reasons for the uprising of young people in Libya. there was terrifying corruption and youth unemployment (even despite the European education of many of them).
                      8. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 31
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                        Well, like a rebellion in Hama was back in the 1982 year.
                        Guest workers from Syria to Lebanon have been traveling for a very long time.
                      9. DIMS
                        DIMS 12 September 2012 00: 14
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                        Dear, this is not mine, this is your problem. After all, not far off is the time when weapons will already be delivered to your territory in the same quantities.
                      10. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 37
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                        You see, in Israel there is democracy, where to let off steam. The problem is the integration of the Arab population into society (which they are trying to fight with laws on positive discrimination, etc.). Nevertheless, the Arabs have a fairly active and loud representation, and the standard of living is an order of magnitude higher than in most neighboring Arab countries, with the exception of the oil monarchies, and the level of personal freedom is all the more so. There were Arab ministers, the judge of the Supreme Court was Arab. However, the problem exists. However, the supply of weapons mainly goes to the PA, and, first of all, to Gaza. You missed this moment, there the war has been going on for a very long time.
                      11. Pimply
                        Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 50
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                        Respected. The question is the recognition of the government, understand? A country may refuse to recognize the current government for war crimes, and recognize rebels as the legitimate government of a country or region of a country, you know? For example, Russia did this to Georgia. Is the principle clear?
                      12. DIMS
                        DIMS 12 September 2012 00: 19
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                        And then what will they do with Israel, having begun the delivery of normal weapons to the Palestinians? Pandora's box is difficult to close.
                      13. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 39
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                        Dear, cooler than the Soviet Union, hardly anyone will supply the Palestinians. Read about the First Lebanon War, and the weapons that the Palestinians had. They even had air cover from the Syrians, which were the latest aircraft at that time. But tanks, guns, RPGs. Read. And then at the same time you will find out how Arafat paid the USSR (there was a small story with Soviet hostages).
                      14. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 11 September 2012 21: 16
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                        Quote: Karish
                        you support Hamas and Hezbollah, but for me they are enemies.
                        For all now, one enemy is the Jewish banking mafia structure - which, with the help of the Fed - the United States makes money from the air and through national banks of states (which are completely controlled by the Fed) pump out capital and resources from almost all countries of the world, and those countries that oppose them have driven to the axis of evil and don’t tell us fables here - Muslim extremists are a purely Western project for inciting the unwanted and the Jewish mafia is running it.
                      15. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 22: 04
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                        Quote: Ruslan
                        For all now, one enemy is the Jewish banking mafia structure

                        already change the record, I’d come up with something more original. clown. laughing
                      16. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 11 September 2012 22: 33
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                        Karish
                        In no case! I came to this forum only from such figures as Ruslan and Kshatriy. drinks At the Airbase, for example, they would be banned after the second post, this is a plus for professional discussion, but that is boring. lol
                      17. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 22: 46
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                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        I came to this forum only from such figures as Ruslan

                        Yes, I’m not against Ruslan, no matter how amused the child, if only not with his hands.
                        But a year, each comment begins with the same phrase? Well, he’d come up with something more original. By the way, he no longer refers to the Tolmud, it’s a pity he had interesting interpretations, it was fun to read.
                      18. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 06
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                        Quote: Karish
                        already change the record, I’d come up with something more original. clown
                        You refute the facts that I wrote
                        96-year-old David Rockefeller began draining assets to 76-year-old global kagal spokesman Jacob Rothschild. According to statements by representatives of the two clans, "their long-standing friendship has contributed to the partnership."



                        A British investment fund affiliated with Rothschild, RIT Capital Partners, has agreed to repurchase a 37% stake in Rockefeller Financial Services (RFS), founded by John Rockefeller himself in 1882 to invest his own savings.

                        The amount of the transaction, which should be closed by September, was not disclosed. The experts ’assumptions of £ 100 million are“ somewhat understated ”- not only because the Rockefeller investment business is a very successful venture: assets worth more than $ 34 billion are managed by the RFS structures (the company acts as a financial consultant for a wide range of market participants - from wealthy families to large institutional investors). The main thing in this deal is an ideological increase in the presence of the haggle RIT Capital Partners in the United States - primarily in the oil sector and the military-industrial complex.
                      19. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 08
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                        Here it is not that the rats agreed, but that the kagal ideology, based on an infinite number of “tailor Rabinovichi” (fascismo from fascio “bundle, bundle, association”) [1], was more stable than the high-ranking family clan Satanists.

                        So, we see a logical result of the construction of the capitalist pyramid [2], which was recently discussed - the king of rats was determined [3]. Now the energy of the clan showdowns will be redirected to the external environment. Those. us.

                        And we are faced with the following alternative - either to place the Rat's portrait in the red corner and hope that they will “allow us to live”, or to begin to crush the rat rats, clearing the territory of their ancestors, but not limited to it. Dissemination of ideas should become a rat poison, leading usurious evil spirits around the world.

                        ___________________
                        [1] the words of one of the Rothschilds are widely known that he financed practically all Jewish organizations, but not everyone knows the second half of his phrase - “without the help of the Jews, I would not be able to get my fortune”

                        [2] “Given that world capital has a tendency to concentrate, an absolutely illegitimate narrow social group of paramonares type will come to power. But a society in a conscious state will never transfer such functions to them (being in a conscious state - but who knows ...) ”;

                        “... This is the main basis for the constant consolidation of banks and the concentration of bank capital, which seeks to earn as much as possible not only from interest on loans, but also seigniorage from issuing activities. This is the main reason for the disproportionate redistribution of world profits - when the global financial sector receives up to 60% of world profits, which in other conditions of the functioning of the monetary system could receive culture, science, medicine, education and other social spheres ”

                        [3] ... On the ships, to kill rats, "killer rats" were brought out, placing several rats without water and food in one barrel. That rat, which survived by destroying competitors, and became the "king". He was released to exterminate other rats. But destroying everyone, the "king" began to leave his strong offspring, which as a result destroyed both ship cargo and the supplies of the team ...
                        Today, theoretical studies and the very course of history show that a liberal-capitalist society mutates into a pseudo-socialist society under the influence of super-concentration of capital (frankly writes J. Attali), where “by right of ownership” comes to power. Or "Kings of the Rat." And then the absolute concentration of capital turns into an absolute, totalitarian power, in which money already loses its meaning, and the system naturally turns into a distribution, controlled by the imposed codes of “tolerant newspeak”, as in the dystopian “1984” ...
                      20. Karish
                        Karish 12 September 2012 00: 12
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                        Quote: Ruslan
                        Ruslan (7) Today, 00:08 ↑ new

                        Ruslan, is this your opus or is it a habit of copy-pest?
                        Offended or something? They decided to impress us with intelligence and foreign words. It’s probably better that you would entertain yourself with your hands, the epistolary genre is not for you. respectfully hi
                      21. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 16
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                        Quote: Karish
                        You entertained yourself with your hands, the epistolary genre is not for you. respectfully
                        These are all your arguments, but then everything is clear for you what I want from a Jew - the truth - and this is stupid
                      22. Karish
                        Karish 12 September 2012 00: 22
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                        Quote: Ruslan
                        These are all your arguments, but then everything is clear for you what I want from a Jew - the truth - and this is stupid


                        Quote: Karish
                        the epistolary genre is not for you. respectfully

                        Ruslan, this is true.
                        Although I’m sure, sorry, really occupy your hands with something else, and not by pulling the genitals, excuse me, the epistolary genre is for you, we’ll calm down on this laughing
                      23. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 12 September 2012 00: 26
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                        Ruslan
                        Yeah. Very interesting. Ruslan, but could you tell us who your faith is the Rockefellers or the Morgans there. And as I understand it, do you relate them to the Jews? what Or maybe Gates and Buffett are also Jews? And the Arab sheikhs? Well, about the Chinese, Indian, Japanese billionaires, I do not ask, then of course all Jews, by the way, like European billionaires.
                      24. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 32
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                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Yeah. Very interesting. Ruslan, but could you tell us who your faith is the Rockefellers or the Morgans there. And as I understand it, do you relate them to the Jews? what Maybe Gates and Buffett are also Jews? And the Arab sheikhs? Well, about the Chinese, Indian, Japanese billionaires, I do not ask, then of course they are all Jews, by the way, like the European billionaires.
                        Do not fall for the Rockefellers and Morgan fools near the Rhodschilds, Mendel, Goldman, Coen, all the rest are just managers.So, in short, what happened means, maybe, not the Rockefeller capitulation to the Rothschilds, but, at least, a very significant loss of their positions.

                        If you “dig” deeply, you need a detailed analysis with a historical excursion - otherwise it will be almost impossible to understand something in this situation.

                        Therefore, we start with the background of the question:

                        The real knot of contradictions between these two global clans are the two world wars of the 20th century. Moreover, in both cases they were unleashed by the Rockefellers, and it was they who reaped the rewards of success.

                        When it became clear that France and Britain could not cope with Germany, and because of the February Revolution, Russia dropped out of the war, the Rockefellers set the Standard Oil of New Jersey to allow the oil empire to develop. Rothschildam oil wealth of the Middle East.

                        Since 1927, Standard Oil has taken over 25% of IPC shares - the Iraqi Oil Company, which was established in 1912, under the name TPC - Turkish Oil Company. At the same time, 50% of the shares were then transferred to the ownership of the government of the Ottoman Empire, according to 25%, they received Rothschild's Shell, as well as Deutsche Bank, which got into their clip a bit later.

                        Unlike their temporary partners (who, most likely, had no idea that they were temporary), the British “knew the future” - because they themselves had planned it, realizing that after the collapse of Germany and the Ottoman Empire in World War I, as winners, take away all 100%.
                      25. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 35
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                        It would have happened if the Entente could defeat the Germans on the battlefield. But for the European allies, this task turned out to be daunting, and US assistance was needed - General Pershing's expeditionary corps, who decided the outcome of the war on the western front (which, unlike the Second World War, was then decisive).

                        The entry of the United States into the war in order to induce the British to fulfill the conditions set by them was imposed on the American government in a variety of ways. First of all, with the help of "backstage" pushing to the provocative acts of "underwater" war, widely used by Germany itself. The Germans did not want, and could not, because of financial dependence on the Rockefellers: in 1914-1916, they provided large loans for not only the Kaiser, but also his Ottoman allies, having received a shadow influence on their policies.

                        The decisive reason for the US to withdraw from neutrality and to enter the war was the drowning of the German submarine Lusitania passenger transport, the preparation of which by backstage diplomatic maneuvers very much resembled the threshold of the Japanese attack in December 1941 on the US naval base at Pearl Harbor. Then after the next meeting with F.D. Roosevelt, US Secretary of War Stimson wrote in his diary: "We have touched on the sensitive issue of diplomatic actions to ensure that Japan takes the first and erroneous step - the step of undisguised aggression."

                        It is not a special secret that both events have the same roots.

                        We can not say that the Rothschilds did not interfere with all this. Their main and hereditary political creature in the United States, Colonel House, who called himself “the power behind the throne,” devoted the whole 1914 to the year trying to put together a Western alliance against Russia with the participation of the United States, Great Britain, France and Germany. “England would not want to completely crush Germany, because then she would face one-on-one with her old enemy, Russia; - House wrote to President W. Wilson in May 1914 of the year, - but if Germany infinitely expands its fleet, England will have no choice. ”

                        In order to preserve the right of choice for England (and the Rothschilds, who for a hundred years already controlled its central bank), House even made a voyage to Berlin, where he received an audience with Kaiser Wilhelm II and Minister of the Sea von Tirpitz. All is in vain: the German fleet, with the Rockefellers' money (compensated, by the way, by the Federal Reserve Act by the American treasury), grew by leaps and bounds and the British could not stay away from the war, thus transferring all political trumps to the Rockefellers.
                      26. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 36
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                        In World War II, the economy became even more dependent on politics.

                        When the Germans attacked France in May 1940, the French-British group was quickly defeated, the French signed a truce, surrendering Paris, and the British were pressed to the English Channel in the area of ​​the Belgian Dunkirk.

                        Along with the “strange war” of 1939-1940’s fall-winter, one of the main secrets of the Second World War, which baffled historians, there was always the question: why did the Germans, instead of finishing the enemy, cross the La Manche stood up and did not take a step forward until the British had taken the personnel to the British Isles. Moreover, the exported transports were not bombed.

                        A "casket" opened very, very simple.

                        The fact is that if Hitler was not directly employed by the Rockefellers (although such an assertion is not excessive either), then he completely depended on them in the military economy and, above all, in oil and refined products, primarily gasoline. Facts and figures - from the creation of Basel Bank of International Settlements in 1930 for the purpose of financing the Nazis to Standard Oil in 1934, 730, thousands of acres of land near Hamburg and the construction of an oil refinery on them - abound. But we will not overload the material with them in order not to drown in details and particulars.

                        And the people who brought Hitler to power were in the USA - the same brothers Allen and John Foster Dulles (Rockefeller brothers cousins). And all of them were led by a “three-headed” one, the American-British-German octopus — the Schroeder Bank (which had the status of an agent of the Nazi government), and also the firms associated with it (the current G. Schroeder — the offspring of those Shreders).

                        And Roosevelt, who with the help of the same House, was brought to power by the Rothschilds, in fact turned out to be the creature of the Rockefellers. It is not by chance that House himself surrounded by the new president was replaced by B. Baruch, a large exchange speculator (like Soros), who significantly improved his affairs as chairman of the US military industry committee, which he occupied throughout World War I.
                      27. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 37
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                        A small touch: when the US intelligence services in 1943 reported to Roosevelt about the possibility of “removing Hitler,” he categorically forbade it.

                        But they tried to do it, but in July 1944, the British. Having concluded a truce with the "new" German government, they very much hoped to draw the US into the confrontation with the USSR and destroy the planned Soviet-American alliance. (It was, however, destroyed, but in a different way: instead of the chief architect of the New Deal, G. Wallace, the Rothschild's G. Truman's creature was extremely “timely" brought to the White House, who, shortly before Roosevelt's death, became vice-president, and then the president of the United States).

                        On all of this, Hitler clearly followed all the instructions of the Rockefellers. And the instructions in May 1940, he received the following:

                        - Do not touch the English in Dunkirk;

                        - not to cross the English Channel and generally leave Britain alone, turning the preparations for Operation Sea Lion (the invasion of the British Isles);

                        - to deploy its efforts in the direction of the “plan of Barbarossa” - preparation for an attack on the USSR.

                        Hitler carried out these instructions punctually.

                        But why did he get them at all?

                        But because Churchill, on the verge of collapse in the situation with Dunkirk (who reminded him and the British public the nightmare of the failure of the Dardanelles operation of the British fleet, during which he, as First Lord of the Admiralty, then insisted), agreed to fulfill all the conditions that Roosevelt put to him (by the way, they were cousins) in exchange for the protection and military assistance of the United States. Namely:

                        - transfer to the Americans the oil “pearl” of the British Empire - Saudi Arabia (which the British intelligence and, for example, TE Lawrence of Arabia, literally “plowed out” for the crown, literally plowed out the Ottoman Empire) for the crown;

                        - withdraw all British capital from the United States and sell all property held by the British in the United States to the Americans;

                        - after the end of the war - to dissolve the British Empire, giving independence to the colonies (began, as we remember, from India - 1947 g .; for the British colonial empire, the rest of the "Rothschild empire" - the French, Dutch and Belgian crumbled to 1960).
                      28. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 38
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                        Thus, - many experts (primarily Western ones) involved in global history and politics talk about this - the main reason for the two world wars was nothing but the seizure of the Eurasian oil assets from the Rothschilds and the Rockefeller consolidation. That is why Germany was twice set against Britain (Hitler, like the Kaiser, the Rockefellers regularly financed the whole war). Roosevelt’s new “alignment” in 1944 personally dictated to the Halifax ambassador of Britain to the States (the same bailiff of the “Munich conspiracy”, who had successfully negotiated with Hitler in November 1937): Saudi Arabia - America, Iran - Britain, and Iraq and K We will “milk” together.

                        Having conceded, twice, to the brute force and circumstances, the Rothschilds did not forget and did not forgive the “offenses” inflicted on them.

                        The hot war ended and the cold war began.

                        If the Rockefellers are primarily an “oil” dynasty, then for the Rothschilds the main thing is “gold” and other precious metals. These are their main areas of influence and control.

                        Therefore, the Rothschilds began to dig under the dollar, setting the goal of replacing it with gold (we recognize that from this point of view, the dollar’s ​​decoupling from gold collateral, implemented by R. Nixon in 1971) looks a little different.

                        The main lever for this is the price of gold. It is established not by market but by directive. Since the mid-1940s, twice a day, without breaks on weekends and holidays, the London Association of the Precious Metals Market has held so-called “fixations” in which five banks participate: the head bank of the British Rothschild branch, NM Rothshild & Sons, to their French branch “Societe Generale” (we still need it), memorable from the “Turkish-Iraqi” deal of the 1910s - 1920s “Deutsche Bank”, the Chinese “branch” of the Rothschilds - the global bank “Hong Kong & Shanghai Banking Corp. » (“HSBC”), which grew up in the XNUMXth century on the drug trade, as well as the world leader in gold and precious metals trafficking, ScotiaMocatta, a division of Scotiabank Global Banking & Markets.

                        These fixations are carried out, of course, at the NM Rothshild & Sons site and, moreover, it was this bank that invariably chaired them until 2004 (and then Pharisee “went into the shadows”).

                        We will not list all the vicissitudes of the unfolded inter-clan struggle. We only note that over the past decade, gold has risen in price more than 10 times, and the dollar is weakening due to the exorbitant national debt of the United States, the creation of which at the beginning of 1980's led to the Rothschilds again, with the help of the famous “Reaganomics”, that is, inflating "financial bubbles."
                      29. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 39
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                        And what, one wonders, Reagan still had to do when the commission he created headed by the chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve P. Walker (a protégé of the Rothschilds) “found out” that in Fort Knox (the US gold reserve) gold - only foreign and private. It was necessary to somehow finance the “Strategic Defense Initiative” and other innovations in the arms race, to which the Brezhnev and Andropov leaders of the USSR were, as it were, “accidentally” tackling. So Reagan began to inflate "soap bubbles", erecting "Potemkin villages" and "castles in the air" with their help. It was then that the United States and appeared national debt.

                        The United States would have reached "the handle" much faster than it is now - about the year of 1995, but they were very lucky with the collapse of the USSR, which the Rothschilds were already preparing with the help of communications in our country. Without going into particular details (another topic), we single out only the main figures in this chain: Beria-Kuusinen (the connection of the Comintern with Freemasonry) -Andropov-Gorbachev; besides them, Mikoyan and Kosygin got into this chain (and not at all on the sidelines).

                        The Rockefellers were not particularly interested in the collapse of the USSR.

                        Moreover, for them the Soviet Union was a counterweight to the Rothschilds. The Rockefellers equally supported both the Nazis and Soviet industrialization. Unlike them from the eternal rivals of the Rothschilds, they needed a balance of “brilliant isolation” not governed by London, but a united Eurasia with all its oil. Potential leaders of the continent, in view of the presence of passionate ideologies (albeit opposed), they saw both Hitler and Stalin, whoever won, but only with their own indispensable control (this required bringing both countries into an internecine war challenge the USA).
                      30. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 41
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                        In addition, having received a concession share of Baku oil at the end of 1920, the Rockefellers, already with Hitler’s hands, tried to finally take it into ownership, having calculated, however, on this at Stalingrad. (The “economic” nature of the 1942 military campaign, in contrast to 1941, when the political centers of the USSR became the target of the Wehrmacht’s attack, indicate many modern specialists, including German ones).

                        Beating his unexpected "fellow travelers", I.V. Stalin in 1945 year became an independent figure of global scale. Unknown, unlike the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the Molotov-Hiss Pact, concluded in 1944-1945. At the United Nations Conferences in Dumbarton Oaks and San Francisco, and sponsored by the future governor of New York and the vice president of the United States, Nelson Rockefeller, was an unpleasant surprise for the American political establishment. From now on, he shouldn’t have to poke his nose into the affairs of the peoples of the USSR and the countries of Eastern Europe, as well as Moscow, in “British” Iran and “American” Saudi Arabia. (In the days of Hiss’s McCarthyism, according to the denunciation of one of the novice members of the commission on anti-American activities, R. Nixon was even convicted of “spying for the USSR” - that’s how annoyed!).

                        The situation, unfortunately, has radically changed after the death of the leader. Strengthened in power as a result of the five-year period of “palace coups” (1953-1958), Khrushchev, being a Trotskyist, “exposed” the notorious “personality cult” and with the help of Mikoyan turned to the Rothschilds. With little that Brezhnev who understood these layouts, Kosygin, and especially Andropov, gained strength. Not having time to realize his destructive “European project” in life, the all-powerful KGB chief “spawned” Gorbachev, who launched this project before being elected general secretary, concluding a number of secret agreements on redistributing spheres of influence in Europe with the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne in 1984 Otto von Habsburg.

                        That is, on the one hand, the Rockefellers could not rely on the Gorbachev USSR to withstand the pressure of the Rothschilds. And, on the other hand, by the end of the 1980-ies, due to the accumulated public debt, there was a threat of the collapse of their patrimony - the United States.

                        And the Rockefellers turned into the path of least resistance: they joined the collapse of the USSR together with the Rothschilds: the final consensus on this issue was reached in 1989, at a closed meeting of “influential people” (annual Bilderberg Conference) held on the Spanish island of La Toja. (In the same place, in spite of the desperate resistance of M. Thatcher, who cost the “iron lady” of an early resignation from the post of British prime minister, it was decided to unify Germany).
                      31. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 42
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                        With the help of the collapse of the USSR and at our expense, the Americans managed to close many “holes” in their economy and finances. The figures of how much and what exactly was taken out of our country by the 1995 year, October 24 1995, at a closed meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US military, named B. Clinton (they were very impressive at the beginning of the 2000) ).

                        At the same time - we must pay tribute to the Rockefellers - they prevented the collapse of the Russian Federation, including with the help of Yeltsin (who, unlike Gorbachev, spoke in favor of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation). And not only Yeltsin.

                        What was looted in the former USSR was enough for America for twenty years. And again, the national debt overcame, and again the States - “at the last line” (14 trillion dollars of total debt is not one annual budget).

                        What should the Rockefellers do if the United States does not? Brzezinski, in his new book, Strategic Vision: America and the Global Power Crisis (saw the light of 2012 in February), explicitly writes that the United States today resembles the USSR before its collapse and is considering two options for global development, with or without American leadership that is, if you call a spade a spade, without the United States.

                        In addition to the crisis in the eurozone, the massive exodus from Wall Street of top managers of large financial companies and corporations, which began in the spring of 2012, strains the global situation. (These “cadres” in the financial space and on banking areas are well oriented both day and night: they know when, where and what it smells like and where, with what smell and how quickly to run).

                        Just in case, the Rockefellers today are buying up land in Argentina and Chile. But throwing a white flag (or a towel on the ropes) seems to be considered premature.

                        The Rothschilds, in turn, are pressing.

                        F. Hollande in France - their creature.

                        A. Merkel is now in loneliness in the European Union and in deep defense within the country. Oriented to Britain, according to V.D. Yezhov (the Soviet biographer Adenauer), the Social Democrats "take" one federal land after another (recently, symbolically important municipal elections in North Rhine - Westphalia won). New Rockefeller "exceptions" in the form of Schroeder number XXUMX in the SPD is not expected.

                        The parliamentary elections in Germany, meanwhile, are already in the 2013 year, and the victory of the SPD will mean the consolidation of the entire Eurozone by the Rothschilds. And then instead of the “European state” built by the Rockefellers since Hitler's time, the EU will turn into a mosaic divided into municipalities - chaos, which, if anything, unites, it is devoid of any national and religious identity (and therefore completely suits the Rothschilds) “zone free trade. " And in this chaos they will drag in (they are already drawing in!) The CIS and Russia, starting with Ukraine, Moldova and the Baltic states, where chaos, in fact, already rules the ball.
                      32. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 43
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                        In the US, B. Obama is the creator of the Rothschilds: in June 2006, the boss of the Democratic Party was represented by none other than J. Soros - the closest associate of the Rothschilds.

                        In Russia, the Rothschilds control the "family" that had fallen to their side under Yeltsin-President; Voloshin plays a key role in promoting her political interests. They also have a common business with the oligarch Deripaska, and through him - with the creatures of Chubais - the oligarchs Potanin and Prokhorov (it is from here that both the legs and the horns of all the "orange", "snow" and "swamp" street protests grow in Moscow).

                        Chubais is the most cunning of all: he has connections with the Rothschilds (through former US Treasury Secretary L. Summers, who heads the National Economic Council in America), and with the Rockefellers - he is a member of the board of directors of the global bank JP Morgan Chase. The goal is simple and clear: in any case, stay afloat - and in fact “floats”, “does not sink”!

                        Especially important for the Rothschilds China.

                        If the Chinese elite succeeds in “crushing” (and, judging by the split that began in connection with the “Bo Xilai case”, this unfortunately began to turn out), the Rothschilds will be able to “hook” gold on the yuan. And carefully build it into the status of a new global reserve currency, secured not with oil, like a dollar, but with gold (for this, gold is also inflated in price).

                        If this number passes, then soon the dollar and the US themselves can be brought down (about which, unfortunately, many people have long and naively been dreaming of us as something very positive).

                        For what?

                        To create the “North American Union” with the new Amerеро currency, and then the “Transatlantic Union”, in which North America, in full accordance with the “global plan” of the Club of Rome, would unite with Europe, and the Amero with the euro. And a “real” world currency would have turned out: a pound sterling, probably — what else? (This Atlantic Transformation project is provided for by the Texas Agreements, which in March 2005 were concluded by the top officials of the NAFTA member states - the North American Free Trade Area).

                        But this “shift” - from dollar to pound (presumably) - needs a “stabilizer”. According to the Rothschilds plan, they should be the yuan, backed by gold (the price of which the Rothschilds, as we have seen, are set by themselves), as well as backed up by the military and political power of the PRC.

                        By the way, against the background of the union, and more precisely the purchase of the Rothschild Rockefellers, China and Japan with 1 June came out of mutual dollar calculations, and will now be calculated strictly in yuan and yen.

                        This tale, however, for naive simpletons. The yuan and the yen are brought to a common denominator only through an equivalent (EMC is a single measure of value). Previously, this equivalent was the dollar (it is controlled by the Rockefellers). And now?

                        Since it does not say what it is, it means that the role of the EMC goes to gold. And this gold equivalent (standard), from the price of which mutual Chinese-Japanese calculations will make a start, will already be controlled by the Rothschilds.

                        That is, "sly" China and Japan imposed the immediate prospect of a change of global financial power. In other words, the Rockefellers "passed" another milestone. And after that, apparently, they requested a truce. It is a truce, not the world.

                        Similarly, the Rothschilds in the 1917 and 1940 years asked the Rockefellers for a "truce" in the inter-clan struggle (and for American military aid to Britain against Germany).

                        Debt, as they say, is beautiful!
                      33. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 47
                        0
                        the essence of the agreement is the raising of the US economy - the means of the Sunni radicals are the goal of China and Russia. Israel will be a sacrificial ram for the Sunnis - What am I wrong about?
                      34. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 12 September 2012 00: 56
                        +2
                        Ruslan
                        Firstly, indicate the author of this opus, and secondly, give at least one document to prove your messages. Otherwise, I'll start publishing "the testament of Peter the Great." And why not, let the people laugh. laughing
                      35. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 12 September 2012 00: 52
                        +2
                        No, you forgive it, you fall for the expression on the fool. How can you prove that someone is there under someone, and the rest of the billionaires are just managers. Boltology By the way, an intelligent user minimally indicates the address of a copyright, or someone else will think that you wrote this pseudo-reason.
                      36. Karish
                        Karish 12 September 2012 00: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Ruslan
                        You refute the facts that I wrote

                        One fact, how many wolves do not feed, but the elephant is thicker. Neither you nor I will ever have such grandmothers. A pity, I would like to be Rothschild.
                      37. Ruslan
                        Ruslan 12 September 2012 00: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Karish
                        One fact, how many wolves do not feed, but the elephant is thicker. Neither you nor I will ever have such grandmothers. A pity, I would like to be Rothschild.
                        In addition to grandmothers, they will also take away the lives of your children (it is not for nothing that the West is now pumping up Sunnik radicals with weapons) once you recall my words - the history of the Holocaust will be repeated - the US financial system will again be saved for the brush of your lives as it was in World War II.
                      38. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 41
                        +1
                        Always loved bedtime stories.
                      39. Dimon Lviv
                        Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 21: 21
                        +2
                        "Turkey and Arabia recognized .." - ha, don't you think that the legitimacy of this or that government has the right to recognize ONLY ITS PEOPLE? How would you like it. if the same Fatah declared itself the only authorized government of Israel, and Egypt, Qatar, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, and other interested parties would recognize him and start supplying him with the latest weapons? Would this government be legal? Would these deliveries be legal?

                        Well, about "teach materiel" - so I'm telling you, teach materiel:
                        The State Research and Production Enterprise (GNPP) Basalt has developed and successfully tested a new RPG-30 anti-tank rocket launcher, which is capable of overcoming any active protection systems (KAZ) of armored vehicles created to date in various countries.

                        RPG-30 grenade launcher is a two-tube device designed for single use. A larger diameter cylindrical container houses a PG-30 tandem cumulative anti-tank grenade with a 105 mm caliber. Below is a container of a smaller diameter, in which there is a target simulator, the purpose of which is to activate the enemy’s active defense means when approaching and create conditions for the PG-30, the main means of destruction, to freely penetrate the target.

                        Military experts explain: "All known world systems of active protection of armored vehicles, after being triggered by the first approaching threat, can counteract a new attacking weapon only with a certain delay, which is usually 0,2-0,4 seconds. This interval is enough for the PG-30 hit the target. "



                        Thus, after aiming at the target and pulling the trigger, the target simulator and PG-30 are fired with a certain slight delay. After the active defense of the target is detected by the simulator and works on it, due to its inertia, it cannot counteract the main attacking weapon - PG-30, which, with a slight lag, follows the target along the same path.

                        RPG-30 is capable of hitting all types of tanks and other armored and unarmored vehicles, as well as manpower and protected fortifications on the battlefield. "
                        For those who are in the tank - "Windbreaker" will have time to destroy only the target simulator)))
                        And your happiness is that RPG-30 is NOT yet in service with Palestinian militants!
                        And then they imagined that you have "absolute protection" in your hands ... My friend - as long as there is Russia and Russian designers in the world, no one has absolute protection!
                      40. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 22: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Dimon Lviv
                        Below is a container of a smaller diameter, in which there is a target simulator, the purpose of which is to activate the enemy’s active defense means when approaching and create conditions for the PG-30, the main means of destruction, to freely penetrate the target.

                        It all depends on the radar algorithm. When detecting a launch from one place, two missiles at the same time, the second gets off.
                        Everything is much simpler. I asked this guy who is doing this (our daughters went to one kindergarten) this question, he simply explained everything. .When it comes to the point that the shot will be programmed with a random number and you don’t know what the first simulator or the main one will be, I recall that their caliber is different, as well as the mass. The radar will understand that it’s all about the system’s algorithms
                        .
                        Quote: Dimon Lviv
                        My friend - while there are Russia and Russian designers in the world, no one has absolute protection!

                        until Jewish heads take this up, with respect hi
                        ha, but do not you think that the legitimacy of a government has the right to recognize only his people?

                        let Bashar hold fair elections, you think he has a chance, do not forget who he’s fighting with .- 70% of the Sunni population
                        How would you like it. if the same Fatah declared itself the only plenipotentiary government of Israel

                        And they try to do this all their lives
                        Would Egypt, Qatar, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, and others interested recognize him and start supplying him with the latest weapons?

                        and they do this, only instead of Egypt, write Iran. Only their gut is thin. 60 years have already been at war, and more serious than the opposition with Assad. The result is mine. And you know why, because there is no public support, they are even Israeli Arabs do not support. And without the support of the population, it’s just a northern furry animal laughing
                      41. Dimon Lviv
                        Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 22: 50
                        +1
                        Now tell us, have Jewish heads already figured out how to stop a shock impact core flying towards a target at a speed of several kilometers per second, fired from an anti-tank cluster mine delivered to the target area by a Grada or Smerch rocket?
                        Or how to stop the exact same core fired from a stationary anti-tank mine, self-orientating towards the tank? Or dropped from a helicopter?

                        "Let the Bashar hold fair elections" - so you declare any elections unfair if their results do not suit you.
                        By the way, the presidential election in Syria is scheduled for 2014.
                      42. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 22: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Dimon Lviv
                        Now tell us, Jewish heads have already figured out how to stop the shock core

                        the strike core, this is in tandem ammunition, the armor stops them. The tank still has armor, if you remember.
                      43. Dimon Lviv
                        Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 22: 58
                        0
                        Normal armor has long been no longer an obstacle to the latest types of ammunition. And dynamic protection is also no longer a serious obstacle, especially for self-orientating mines: http://forum.worldoftanks.ru/index.php?/topic/408351-%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81 % D0
                        %BE%D0%B1%D1%8B-%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8C%D0%B1%D1%8B-%D1%81-%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D
                        0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8-%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0
                        %BC%D0%B8-%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5/
                      44. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 02
                        0
                        Israel does not use dynamic armor. sad Complex multilayer, plus now on Merkava 4 - KAZ. It seems they are going to integrate another system - during a test in the states, she managed to bring down a tank shell.
                      45. Karish
                        Karish 12 September 2012 00: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Dimon Lviv
                        bullish armor has long been no longer an obstacle to the latest types of ammunition.

                        So we have an unusual one. I'll try to be like you. We have the most unusual, secret and core stop (as it is written in the patent)
                      46. DIMS
                        DIMS 11 September 2012 23: 04
                        0
                        In tandem ammunition, two cumulative charges.
                      47. Darck
                        Darck 12 September 2012 11: 53
                        -1
                        In tandem ammunition, two cumulative charges.
                        If there is no D3, then the tandem for penetration of the multilayer is no different from the usual one. Since the first charge is too small.
                      48. igor67
                        igor67 11 September 2012 22: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: Dimon Lviv

                        "Let the Bashar hold fair elections" - so you declare any elections unfair if their results do not suit you.

                        I participated in the presidential and parliamentary elections in Ukraine. I was both an observer and a member of the commission from the PSPU. So I know about fair elections for independent ones by hearsay
                      49. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 23: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Dimon Lviv
                        By the way, the presidential election in Syria is scheduled for 2014.

                        I generally (like Israel) in particular on the drum who will be in Syria, and those and those are enemies for us. But I hope that in 2014 Basha will be elected again. In general, if evil cannot be avoided, it is better to choose the lesser. These are Jewish heads, but you PRAGMATISM IS NOT ENOUGH.
                      50. Dimon Lviv
                        Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 23: 08
                        0
                        "In general, if evil cannot be avoided, it is better to choose less" is the first truly sensible phrase that I have heard from you.
                        It’s on this principle and continue to oppose the Islamic rebels who dream of having a second Libya near you ...
                        Bashar is adequate, unlike Muslim fanatics, eager for power in Syria, and it is in your interests that they lose!
                      51. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 23: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Dimon Lviv
                        It’s on this principle and continue to oppose the Islamic rebels who dream of having a second Libya near you ...

                        nonsense, the impression is that we can influence something.
                        By the way, I asked one question here. to which no one answered me
                        What is the role of Assad, as an ally of Russia and for whom you are here ready to bite everyone. So far, except for sucking out money from Russia, he has not shown anything.
                        Base? Bullshit on it for 15 years there was no one, but about the base could be agreed by the followers of Bashar
                        So what is the matter of light converging in Bashar, wise answer please.
                      52. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 43
                        0
                        Based on two people staff. I would not believe my eyes, but a report from the TV channel Russia
                      53. Che
                        Che 13 September 2012 08: 00
                        0
                        Karish,
                        So what is the matter of light converging in Bashar, wise answer please.

                        The light did not converge on anyone. It is not a matter of personality, it is a matter of principles. It is not necessary for the general people to massacre where it is to their advantage. Free will is given to every nation.
                      54. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 23: 57
                        -1
                        Quote: Dimon Lviv
                        The first truly reasonable phrase that I heard from you.

                        Dimon, do not judge, and you will not be judged.
                        In terms of intelligence, education and culture, we still have some people to say .... eat wassat
                      55. Che
                        Che 13 September 2012 08: 02
                        0
                        Karish,
                        Self-conceit is rushing. Let others give you an assessment. wassat
                      56. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 42
                        +2
                        Bashar is also not sugar, especially given the cooperation with Iran and Hezbollah. There's wood that firewood
                      57. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 12 September 2012 00: 51
                        0
                        rumor has it that they want to unite Iran, Shiite Iraq and Syria
                      58. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 01: 10
                        0
                        Syria is unlikely to succeed in such a passage. Bahrain - if there was a coup - there would be an option. But Bahrain, along the way, will enter the CA as a province. And it will begin the massive settlement of the Sunnis. Iran and Iraq - there is such a possibility. But hardly. If Arabs were sitting in Iran, this is one thing. And there are the Persians. Close, not really. Iran would like that. But in Iraq, too, not quite fools are sitting. Press the Sunnis to the nail and the Kurds - yes. But I would not really want to get another brain from the USA.

                        So I think - more rumors.
                      59. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 12 September 2012 02: 02
                        +1
                        and Iran and the United States support Maliki in the long run, everything can be, we, too, do not need a strong Iran, especially since nuclear weapons
                      60. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 02: 07
                        0
                        I think now is the time for correspondence cards in the Middle East.
                      61. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 12 September 2012 02: 10
                        0
                        Hopefully there will be no global collisions
                      62. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 02: 13
                        +1
                        I think everything will become clear in the next couple of years.
                      63. Che
                        Che 13 September 2012 08: 06
                        0
                        tekinoral,
                        It would be good if Israel did not have nuclear weapons. Then everything would be in openwork. laughing
                      64. Che
                        Che 13 September 2012 08: 03
                        0
                        tekinoral,
                        This idea has long been implemented by amers. Because of what and bloodshed in the countries of the region.
                      65. Che
                        Che 13 September 2012 07: 56
                        0
                        Karish,
                        This amersky pragmatism got, It turns out if it is profitable then soak your mother.
                      66. igor67
                        igor67 11 September 2012 23: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Dimon Lviv
                        "Let the Bashar hold fair elections" - so you declare any elections unfair if their results do not suit you.

                        living in Ukraine, participated in the presidential and parliamentary elections from the PSPU party (Vitrenko v. Kuchma) so I know a lot about the honesty of the elections
                      67. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 11 September 2012 22: 37
                        +1
                        RPG-30 maximum range 200 m, weight over 10 kg. request It seems to me that ATGM is somewhat better than this miracle.
                      68. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 11 September 2012 23: 07
                        +4
                        Dimon Lviv
                        there is no absolute protection, but if KAZ at 30-45% increases the crew's chance of survival, any expenses are justified.
                      69. Pimply
                        Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 59
                        -1
                        Dear, in this case, Chechnya would not be part of Russia, as well as Tatarstan and many other republics.

                        State recognition is a big game.

                        The presence of organizational documents (which set out the purpose of creation and tasks of the state):
                        constitution,
                        military doctrine
                        legislation.
                        Public authority:
                        head of state (government),
                        parliament,
                        court.
                        Management and planning:
                        rationing the life of society (legal system),
                        state (political and foreign policy) activity,
                        economic activity (economics),
                        own money system
                        tax fees
                        state treasury;
                        Ownership (resources);
                        Territory;
                        Population;
                        Availability of subordinate organizations:
                        law enforcement
                        military establishment,
                        peripheral administrative organizations.
                        The presence of the state language (s);
                        Sovereignty (the ability of a state to appear in the international legal field as a legal entity recognized by other states is VERY IMPORTANT, as well as the ability to assert its rights with and without arms);
                        Citizenship;
                        State symbols.

                        It is not necessary to have everything - for example, not everyone has the same constitution, but the main points are yes. And so with recognition.
                      70. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 12 September 2012 00: 26
                        0
                        Hamas is probably freedom fighters for you, I have a different point of view. For you, Chechens are separatists. for Saudi independence fighters

                        quite right
                    2. igor67
                      igor67 11 September 2012 21: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Dimon Lviv
                      all the same it would be interesting to test it on your "Windbreaker" ...

                      1. DIMS
                        DIMS 11 September 2012 21: 20
                        0
                        All this, of course, was shot beautifully. But why was the Trophy not tested on a high-speed ATGM, only on the Malyutka? with its 115 m / s?
                      2. igor67
                        igor67 11 September 2012 21: 27
                        +1
                        DIMS,
                        He hasn’t learned Hebrew for 12 years. It’s only bazaar. I think Karish will correct me. In the report, the officer says that they shot 70 missiles at the tank and don’t know how to translate the pagazim into various types of modern Russian production. not one reached the tank
                      3. Dimon Lviv
                        Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 22: 01
                        0
                        70 rockets? I think a lie.
                        I looked for something about this system, I found a statement from her co-constructor. and translation - it reflects 6 missiles fired at the same time, from any direction. But 70 will be too much ...
                        Yes, and I have big doubts that the latest Russian weapons were tested on this device - for example, an anti-tank cluster mine fired from the Grad.
                        Dropping on a parachute, it rotates and scans the terrain. If the "Merkava" is detected at the moment when it is aimed at it, a tungsten shock core is fired, flying at a speed of about 3 km / s. As the shot hits the roof, where the armor is thinner, it breaks, and a fat fur-bearing northern fox arrives to the crew with the tank. I VERY DOUBT that even this, frankly, outdated Russian design was tested at the Vetrovka.
                      4. igor67
                        igor67 11 September 2012 22: 04
                        +1
                        Dimon Lviv,
                        70 types of various missiles and rockets participated in the test. but not at the same time. I probably poorly formulated my phrase.
                      5. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 19
                        0
                        Not at the same time. This report contains 70 missiles and shells, which are not exactly explained, but they indicate the latest, most of them are of Russian production, but not only.

                        I did not hear about the exotics that you described, but if you notice, Trophy scans the airspace. I think the answer is who is stronger, an elephant or a whale, we won’t get until the first use of this device. In the meantime, Trophy has two RPGs and ATGMs in real combat conditions. Already not bad.
                      6. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 22: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: igor67
                        a tank of 70 missiles and don’t know how to translate the pagazim to different species

                        70 missiles were launched, including. the latest and not only Russian production. All were successfully shot down.
                        The system works completely in automatic mode, the cost is 200 thousand thousand rubles.
                        It is a translation. Not 70 tons at a time, but the system was tested by 70 missiles of various types and production from different countries
                      7. igor67
                        igor67 11 September 2012 22: 15
                        +2
                        Karish,
                        I told you. that a shark will come and restore justice drinks
                      8. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 22: 40
                        0
                        Quote: igor67
                        shark and restore justice

                        always happy and with pleasure drinks
                      9. DIMS
                        DIMS 11 September 2012 22: 38
                        0
                        Dear, 70 types of missiles in the world are unlikely to be typed. Are you confusing anything?
                        I heard that they were shooting from an RPG, an old "Tou" and "Baby". The missiles are clearly low-speed.
                      10. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 11 September 2012 22: 53
                        +3
                        In total, over 70 tests were carried out with warheads of various RPGs and ATGMs, including shelling of a vehicle with a training warhead with a crew inside. Among the RPGs and ATGMs that fired were Javelin, Spike and, by the way, Kornet for which you need to thank Kh-lu. More than a dozen Cornets were captured near the village of Randuria in southern Lebanon by soldiers of the NAHAL brigade in August 2006. The Fagot, RPG-29 Vampire, Milan and Tou-2 were also captured and used in the refinement of Trophy. -le Lebanese army.
                        To date, the 401 tank brigade has fully received the Mk-4 M tanks, i.e., Trophy.
                      11. DIMS
                        DIMS 11 September 2012 23: 00
                        0
                        I don’t believe it. Video only from RPGs. saw. Can you give a link to the successful reflection of the Kornet rocket? Or at least TOW-2
                      12. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 23: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: DIMS
                        Don't believe

                        Well, it’s clear that you communicate with the Jews. Believe me.
                      13. DIMS
                        DIMS 11 September 2012 23: 19
                        0
                        Will there be no links? Clear.
                      14. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 50
                        0
                        For what? For classified tests? The number of test videos is always severely limited. It remains to be believed by the applicants and those armies that accept the systems into service.

                        The company Rafael has a very serious reputation, guarantees protection against all modern types of RPGs and ATGMs. KAZ was adopted by the IDF, equipped with a battalion of Merkava 4 tanks, three successfully shot down anti-tank missiles, of which two RPGs and one ATGM. Now they are testing the system in a couple of countries, including the USA

                        There are a number of frames from the tests, but they are unlikely to satisfy you.
                      15. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 23: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: DIMS
                        I don’t believe it.

                        Dimon
                        I’ll tell you one story, I don’t remember who, like Da Vinci argued that a person’s heart is divided by partitions into atria and ventricles, his opponent (let's call him Carlo) just don’t remember the names, everything else is true.)
                        He proved that the septum was not existent and venous blood mixed with arterial. Whatever arguments Da Vinci gave, everything was useless when, being finally locked to the wall by facts, Carlo said the following. There is no partition, but with death, it appears. Well, now prove that he is wrong? The prepared heart - after death there is a septum, and when alive - there is no septum.
                        Do not be like Karla hi
                      16. DIMS
                        DIMS 11 September 2012 23: 47
                        0
                        In short, we drove through. The best that you have succeeded in the field of KAZ-advertising.
                      17. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 51
                        0
                        Three wrecked anti-tank shells, one of them - ATGM, 1 on August this year. This is bad?
                      18. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 24
                        0
                        Believe it or not is your right. In Tsakhal, the system was adopted, the first tank battalion was armed. Do you think they would be freeloading in this regard in a constantly howling country with a special attitude to the lives of soldiers?

                        The system is currently being tested in the States.
                      19. DIMS
                        DIMS 12 September 2012 00: 27
                        0
                        I would. Do not freebies, hang noodles on the ears.
                      20. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 01: 13
                        0
                        You - maybe. However, here for one soldier for 1000 the Arabs were given. Rafael having thrown such a number, but if he had opened, would have closed nafig. This is the reputation of the company. If there were a one-day company, maybe doubts would have arisen. And here the firm has been standing for more than one or two years, and as it were, everything is OK with a reputation, it has not been noticed in violation of promises.
                      21. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 12 September 2012 00: 29
                        +1
                        Pimply
                        What are you doing? what The 401 brigade has been around for three months now, as completely with KAZ.
                      22. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 01: 13
                        0
                        Typo, my friend. Typo. By the way, who next. Reservists have decided?
                      23. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 23
                        0
                        The most true and complete answer.
                      24. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 22: 54
                        0
                        Quote: DIMS
                        Dear, 70 types of missiles in the world are unlikely to be typed. Are you confusing anything?
                        I heard that they were shooting from an RPG, an old "Tou" and "Baby". The missiles are clearly low-speed.

                        you can rest assured, typed
                        ps .. not so long ago, the message * merkava * was fired (on the border with Gaza) by Cornet, the rocket was shot down, the system worked automatically, the crew understood only de facto
                      25. DIMS
                        DIMS 11 September 2012 23: 06
                        +1
                        Yes, you have some kind of mania on Cornets. They didn’t produce as much as according to your words you captured and released for you.
                      26. Karish
                        Karish 11 September 2012 23: 22
                        -1
                        Quote: DIMS
                        Yes, you have some kind of mania on Cornets. They didn’t produce as much as according to your words you captured and released for you.

                        They produced, sold (sorry, they donated to Syria because you don’t get money anyway) enough, and she transferred them to Hezbollah in violation of the sale agreement. By the way, regarding laws (you had a question). A ban on the transfer of sold weapons to third parties, without notifying the seller, a gross violation of the international trade law on arms trade. Surprise. Bashar has the same stigma in the cannon. It is like a boomerang coming back.
                      27. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 11 September 2012 23: 36
                        +2
                        Well, maybe not as many as I wanted, but a dozen of our Cornets were taken from Kh-ly.
                      28. DIMS
                        DIMS 11 September 2012 23: 43
                        0
                        8 boxes watching. I hope at least a couple of missiles managed to capture?
                      29. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 11 September 2012 23: 48
                        +1
                        In Randuria 8 full sets were captured, Captures were in two more places. In one, X-s group was captured along with Cornet in position, in the other three or four complete sets. In short, it was enough for study and practical application.
                      30. DIMS
                        DIMS 12 September 2012 00: 22
                        0
                        So far, only boxes. Well, I saw one launch container in the photo. True, it was not visible, equipped or shot.
                      31. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 57
                        0
                        Cornet in the village of Reshef



                        Boxes with 9М133 in the village of Randuria

                      32. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 22
                        +1
                        Not much was captured, but it was - Hezbollah representatives recognized the use.
                      33. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 21
                        0
                        1 August. First ATGM.
                      34. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 23
                        0
                        Where did you hear? wink
                      35. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 20
                        +1
                        It is worth adding that there are still separate trials in the States.
                      36. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 13
                        0
                        Pagaz is a tank shell.
                      37. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 September 2012 00: 13
                        0
                        Not just Baby. He was tortured with a substantial number of different RPGs and ATGMs, and not only in Israel.
                    3. Pimply
                      Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 48
                      +1
                      Tell me, why do you repeat the minority? In this case, a minority is in power. Like, by the way, in pro-Western Bahrain.
                    4. Karish
                      Karish 11 September 2012 23: 51
                      0
                      Quote: Dimon Lviv
                      Well, you can be considered the inspirer, organizer and performer of the LAS country and Turkey, your right.

                      It is a fact whether you like it or not.
                2. Pimply
                  Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 47
                  0
                  Dear friend, if it’s unpleasant for you to listen to the truth in person, then it does not become a lesser truth from this. Minority - what do you mean by this word? 70% of Sunnis in Syria is a minority? But it is they who are fighting Assad.
                  Or demonstrations of tens of thousands of people in not one, but many cities? Outbreaks of rebellion in Damascus, Hama, Aleppo (Aleppo), etc.? The Alawites occupied the most bread places. Everywhere. Sunnis are disproportionately smaller.

                  Cornet participated in battles against the IDF in Lebanon. What, in particular, was the statement of the representative of Hezbollah during his visit to Moscow. Like the RPG-29. Total penetration in 24 tanks, irretrievable losses - 5. At the same time from the ATGM - 3 (2 landmines).
                  Hamas, respected, rebellious for the structure of the PA, since it staged a coup and seized power. For Israel, Hamas is a terrorist organization.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 40
                +2
                The younger one was just out of luck. Faced the eldest with the same situation - I think he would be sitting in the same swamp. When Hafez shot Hama, nailing from 20000 to 40000 people, the situation was not yet ripe. Now there was a strong internal impetus - the victory of revolutions in several countries and a clear hope of success.
                He could not help spreading the Sunnis - it was a direct path to the loss of power. A dictatorship is always a fork.
            3. Pimply
              Pimply 11 September 2012 23: 37
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              Respected. What about Assad? Ordinary situation. In civil wars there is always a cash flow. Especially religious.
            4. Che
              Che 13 September 2012 08: 39
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              Flooding,
              This is all muddled by amers with their allies. After all, the Arabs are so empty a place for them.
      2. Che
        Che 13 September 2012 07: 27
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        Karish,
        This is amer’s double standards, for the achievement of their interests in the region they will go to a deal with the devil. Their help to the bandits is disgusting.
  6. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 11 September 2012 10: 30
    +1
    Even to discuss the article is not willing, iki in his repertoire, SHITS.
  7. Che
    Che 11 September 2012 11: 34
    +1
    Amer do not care about the people of Syria, they also establish democracy. Our television shows little about the aggression of the general people in Syria. Rather, the people would cry out to the West for the Syrian genocide with the help of Amers and Nata. I hope all the people of Syria will defend their statehood.
  8. Dimon Lviv
    Dimon Lviv 11 September 2012 13: 44
    +1
    Every time the rebels suffer another defeat, they proceed to commit terrorist attacks. But it still will not help them!
  9. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 11 September 2012 14: 04
    -2
    German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle announced Germany’s intention to increase aid to Syrian refugees by more than 2 million euros, the number of which exceeds 200 thousand people, Deutsche Welle reports on Sunday.
    While on a visit to the Syrian refugee camp in Jordan as part of a Middle East tour, the minister did not rule out that the conflict in Syria would continue for a rather long time.
    “Unfortunately, we should tune in to the fact that the conflict will continue for many more weeks, maybe even months”Said Westerwelle.
    Given the decision to allocate additional funds, the total amount of German assistance to Syrian refugees will amount to 24 million euros.
    RIA News
  10. Green
    Green 11 September 2012 15: 01
    +1
    When are these monsters who call themselves "rebels", "revolutionaries" and other words, all the bosses are screwed ??
    The country more and more is being rolled into the abyss by these paid nits !!!