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American edition: Russia used a ruse with "Nord Stream-2"

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Russia is playing a "gas game" with Europe and the United States for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, and Washington does not intend to ignore the "trick" used by Moscow for this. Writes about this the author of an article for the American edition of The National Interest.


According to Nicholas Grozdev, Russia has used a "trick", the consequence of which will be the accusation of the United States in the energy crisis that arose in Europe due to pressure on Nord Stream 2. At present, Moscow is pumping through the territory of Ukraine exactly as much gas as required by the agreement with Germany; Russia does not go for large supplies, despite the prices that have already broken the world record.

All this, the author writes, is aimed at the earliest possible commissioning of the constructed gas pipeline. Moscow hopes that the danger of another energy crisis in Europe will force Germany to put pressure on other countries in order to certify Nord Stream 2.

Grozdev is convinced that this "ploy" may work, since the cold season is approaching, half of the gas storage facilities in Europe are not yet full, and Russia is making it clear that gas can only be pumped through the new pipeline.

Russia hopes that concerns about the lack of gas reserves in Europe will force it to certify Nord Stream 2 and put it into operation

- the author writes.

Earlier, several experts said that the already built Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline could not be put into operation due to the impossibility of its certification due to the position of some countries that are categorically opposed. We are talking about Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states. At the same time, there is an opinion that the certification of the gas pipeline will be pushed through by Germany, which needs gas supplies.
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  1. Cananecat
    Cananecat 14 September 2021 07: 55
    +18
    Apparently, Ukraine, Poland, the Tribaltic have not yet been told that everything was decided for them. Well, the experts, as always, are obliged to voice the thoughts of some dissenters in order to be in trend ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 14 September 2021 08: 00
      +44
      If the SP-2 were built by the Americans, then Grozdev would squeal, what an economic miracle this gas pipeline and a step into a bright future for all of Europe! laughing
      1. out of habit
        out of habit 14 September 2021 08: 18
        +2
        Would the Americans build a gas pipeline from Russia to Germany? belay
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 14 September 2021 09: 39
          +22
          Would the Americans build a gas pipeline from Russia to Germany?

          Theoretically, they could. If Gazprom were bought in the 90s. Didn't guess. They expected to receive it for free.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 14 September 2021 15: 51
            0
            If Russia is pumping gas as much as required under the contract, then why are Europe's gas storage facilities empty?
            They used to be filled with
            what
            1. VicktorVR
              VicktorVR 14 September 2021 18: 56
              0
              And before they downloaded two or three times more :)
              Because there were no agreements (and was this agreement a violation of the principles of free trade ?!)
            2. Rubi0
              Rubi0 14 September 2021 19: 26
              +11
              in 2019, they pumped 100 through the gts of ukraine, in 2020 under the contract there were 60, in this and the following were 40, while they may not pump at all, but simply pay for transit to Ukraine at $ 3 per thousand cubic meters, and buy in reverse where you want for $ 800 now ... The contracts are being fulfilled and the missing volume can be bought, as they say in fashionable way in diversified sources for which they fought so hard, that is, whatever you want from anyone, what price nobody cares about.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 14 September 2021 20: 58
                0
                Quote: Rubi0
                in 2019 they pumped 100 through the gts of ukraine, in 2020 under the contract there were 60, in this and the next 40

                Oh how
                Well, but now we will not be fined by the Antimonopoly Committee
            3. nod739
              nod739 14 September 2021 23: 14
              +3
              Because liquefied gas is transported to Asia, the prices are higher there .. Posiavniki do not care about Europe, they do not care about profits
            4. bayard
              bayard 15 September 2021 03: 28
              +7
              Russia pumps gas as much as is stipulated by LONG-TERM contracts. And the EU has outsmarted itself with its energy packages and other tricks - because most of the gas is forced (by OWN INITIATIVE) to purchase under one-time contracts (SWAPs) at this very swap price laughing 800 USD for 1000 cubic meters
              In addition, the Russian Federation has good reasons:
              - an accident at a gas processing plant,
              - preventive and repair work on pipelines,
              - the decision to fill YOUR gas storage facilities first by 100%, and only then - for export.
              smile
              And the rest of the LNG went to Southeast Asia and Latin America - prices are STILL higher there.
              And there is only one salvation for Europe - the soonest certification of the SP-2 and the abolition of restrictions on pumping through it.
              And that’s it.
            5. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 15 September 2021 15: 29
              +3
              Replenish according to the contract. But spending in Europe last winter and this summer was too high. And Gazprom refuses to pump more of the already signed contracts. Even Zelenskiy admits that Russia is fulfilling its obligations. The deliveries will increase after the launch of the SP-2. Let them think. They're smart ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 September 2021 09: 05
      +4
      Quote: Canecat
      Apparently, Ukraine, Poland, the Tribaltic have not yet been told that everything was decided for them.

      Limitrophes do not have the right to vote and speak, this right belongs to the owner who created them.
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 14 September 2021 10: 41
        +1
        They have a voice ... but you can't shout too much into a megaphone. ))
  2. boris epstein
    boris epstein 14 September 2021 07: 56
    +35
    "At present, Moscow is pumping through the territory of Ukraine exactly as much gas as required by the agreement with Germany, Russia does not go for large supplies, despite the prices that have already broken the world record."
    The agreement has been complied with. What's the catch? Ukraine, Poland and the United States have done and are doing everything they could and can against Nord Stream 2, and now they are demanding something. And even in this situation, Russia is complying with the treaty. Questions?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 14 September 2021 07: 56
      .
      I do not believe anybody.
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 14 September 2021 08: 02
        +11
        Your disbelief is not a reason to minus. Get a minus in return.
        1. Understanding
          Understanding 16 September 2021 19: 05
          0
          Has passed for a minus not zapadlo?
          1. boris epstein
            boris epstein 17 September 2021 16: 27
            0
            No. Minus aggression. A minus in response is an ordinary reply, if the minus is not justified by anything.
            By the way, there are two minuses. Isn't it your second?
    2. Anatoly 288
      Anatoly 288 14 September 2021 08: 17
      +23
      I will not, 4, 5 energy package ... Generalissimo Frost will come and take everything right!
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 14 September 2021 08: 26
      +16
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      The agreement has been complied with. What's the catch? Ukraine, Poland and the United States have done and are doing everything they could and can against Nord Stream 2, and now they are demanding something. And even in this situation, Russia is complying with the treaty. Questions?

      Absolutely agree. There were fines, there were bans, there was a commanding note in the voice of the EU ... Now the time has come for Russia to deal with Europe by means that are not entirely pleasant for it, but "legal" ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 September 2021 09: 30
        +4
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Absolutely agree. There were fines, there were bans, there was a commanding note in the voice of the EU ...

        And after that they want to be spoken to as decent partners.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 14 September 2021 09: 59
          +17
          I don’t understand one thing, why should we solve the problems of Europe and supply them with gas in excess of the contracts? Let them develop green energy or let them wait for gas from the United States.
    4. Alien From
      Alien From 14 September 2021 10: 09
      +4
      And now, in spite of the grandmother, they will freeze their ears, winter is coming crying
      1. isv000
        isv000 15 September 2021 16: 03
        +2
        Quote: Alien From
        And now, in spite of the grandmother, they will freeze their ears, winter is coming

        This is closer to the horses and with the Balts - even if they whine, they look in the direction of Belarus - there is gas for $ 129 ... laughing
    5. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 14 September 2021 10: 38
      +9
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      The contract has been complied with. What's the catch?

      The fact that Gazprom began to act according to their (EU) rules that were invented! yes
    6. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 14 September 2021 15: 48
      +4
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      Ukraine, Poland and the United States have done and are doing everything they could and can against Nord Stream 2, and now they are demanding something.

      That's it. Let Armenica now crush Russian pipelines with competitive LNG and help out its European hangers-on! Make money at the same time!
      1. oprovergatel
        oprovergatel 14 September 2021 16: 46
        +5
        And all amersky LNG rushes to Asia. They pay more trite there.

        So the Javropans can salmon tuna, seeing off with a sad gaze the caravans of gas tankers sailing from the ports of SyShyA to Asian ports. This is how the Amerzians take care of the "nyrgetic security" of their vassals.

        America will throw you, son ... Always! (almost CHE)
        1. isv000
          isv000 15 September 2021 16: 06
          0
          Quote: oprovergatel
          sailing from the ports of SyShyA to Asian ports

          Americans sell to Asians our liquefied gas they bought.
          1. oprovergatel
            oprovergatel 21 September 2021 11: 02
            0
            Not without it, of course.

            But they also drive all their export LNG to Asia. They pay more trite there.

            The market has settled. Voetatavotfsjo laughing
  3. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 14 September 2021 07: 57
    +39
    An experienced negotiator for certification of JV 2 from Russia, Ded Moroz, will soon join laughing
    1. Machito
      Machito 14 September 2021 09: 59
      +10
      Santa Claus will come to negotiations with Snegurochka, Kolotun-Babay and Dubak. laughing
      1. BABAY22
        BABAY22 14 September 2021 10: 34
        +16
        They will do without the Snow Maiden, rainbow tolerasts, enough for them Kolotun-Babai.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 September 2021 11: 34
        +3
        Quote: Bearded
        Santa Claus will come to negotiations with Snegurochka, Kolotun-Babay and Dubak.

        Shoigu will be Santa Claus, and Zakharova will be Snow Maiden.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 14 September 2021 10: 21
      +3
      I have a suspicion that Santa Claus is preparing exclusive gifts, an ax and a saw for Christmas in Europe. wink
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 14 September 2021 11: 20
        +5
        Why panic in Europe, the West 2021 exercise is not over yet, Gazprom supplies everything according to the contracts! And the gas price in Europe has broken another bottom of $ 800.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 September 2021 11: 35
        +2
        Quote: tralflot1832
        I have a suspicion that Santa Claus is preparing exclusive gifts, an ax and a saw for Christmas in Europe.

        Sorry, but the whole tree in Europe has been cut for 100 years.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 14 September 2021 11: 41
          +1
          Sorry, Germany is one of the five suppliers of logs to China, so the Sahara is still a long way off. lol
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 14 September 2021 11: 51
            +10
            Quote: tralflot1832
            Germany is one of the five suppliers of "logs" to China

            The log is probably the Russian one is being resold. Estonia 25 years ago was also the third in the world in the supply of non-ferrous metal.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 14 September 2021 11: 53
              +6
              Anything can be, it is necessary to dig whose log.
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 14 September 2021 13: 57
      +2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      An experienced negotiator for certification of JV 2 from Russia, Ded Moroz, will soon join

      In Germany, the frosts are not so severe to compare them with ours - there even the heating season for private owners only begins in December, and even then not for everyone. They are used to sleeping in cold apartments for a long time, you can't get through them, I know that.
      But the fact that the European economy has now begun to recover after covid, and additional energy capacities are required for all sectors of the economy, is already obvious - that is why gas prices have jumped now, and not in winter. The gas filling capacity of the storage facilities is already secondary in comparison with the current gas demand.
      I think that it is precisely the needs of the German industry that will become the whip that will spur them on to push through the rejection of the third energy package in relation to SP-2 more quickly. And Europe will swallow it.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 14 September 2021 17: 22
        +3
        I agree with you, there is no way without the economy, but in any case, more energy and heat capacities will be required in winter.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 14 September 2021 08: 00
    +19
    According to Nicholas Grozdev, Russia used a "trick"
    ... Well, the dude wants to look stupid more than he is ...
    What's the trick? This is a normal strategy to defend their geo-political and financial interests. What's wrong?
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 14 September 2021 08: 31
      +17
      Quote: rocket757
      ... Well, the dude wants to look stupid more than he is ...

      In fact, the "dude" is carrying out a kind of "operation" to discredit the role of Russia in the gas issue in Europe. Today gas in Europe has risen in price above $ 730 per 1000 cubic meters. Accordingly, prices for everything increased - heat, light, industrial products. This is very noticeable to Europeans. They show discontent. The "dude" solves the issue of "channeling" this discontent. And since most of the population is not inclined to delve deeply into the "question", it will achieve its goal, if there is no other source of information that "chews" on this topic and does not publish it in a more accessible media for the European average person. The information field is packed to capacity with lies, in which, unfortunately, a very large, if not overwhelming, number of ordinary people believe, who in the coming days will have to go and vote for their future leaders. The German Greens, for example, are a creature of the United States (through Soros and other NGOs). Accordingly, the United States through its media will support the line of political forces close to them. The question of the veracity of information in the election campaign is not in principle.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 September 2021 08: 57
        +3
        Quote: Hagen
        the dude is "carrying out a kind of" operation "to discredit the role of Russia in the gas issue in Europe.

        THIS is just understandable. But, here we express our opinion for our own. Our concrete opinion does not reach the foreigners. But the truth is, it seeps in one way or another and there we will not consider everyone there so stupid ... "finger" to their nose and they know how to bring it !!! those. read, count and draw reasonable conclusions.
        Just common sense, simple worldly wisdom, it's not just said so!
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 14 September 2021 09: 14
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          But the truth is, it seeps through in one way or another, and we will not consider everyone there so stupid ...

          By the time the truth gets out there, elections will be held, and the political game will have already been played.
          Quote: rocket757
          But, here we express our opinion for our

          I think that our own people need to correctly understand that the "local" authors are far from simpletons, but quite trained "dogs of information war". And they really solve their problems. Don't underestimate them.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 September 2021 09: 24
            +3
            So the habit / vice of underestimating both the enemy and our own, it is harmful, sometimes even dangerous.
            Ours, too, can bring a finger to their nose !!! Most, at least.
            It is not worth repeating the same thing if you are going to teach, direct ... those who wanted to understand that there is an information war going on and it is not fools who are waging it, but quite well-trained professionals. Any stupid, cheap riffraff, this is just the background, hiding the main team, acting purposefully from under the tishka!
            Everything is as always, for a long time it has been that way.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 14 September 2021 09: 53
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      According to Nicholas Grozdev, Russia used a "trick",
      . Well, the dude wants to look stupid more than he is ...
      What's the trick? This is a normal strategy to defend their geo-political and financial interests. What's wrong?
      When the mattresses didn’t use their tricks to stop the construction of the SP-2 to force Europe to buy liquefied gas from the United States, they only have to talk about the tricks of Russia.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 September 2021 10: 31
        +2
        Well, the media should be nationally oriented, if on the contrary, this is not normal, even to the point of betrayal.
        We do not expect that they will praise us there, and scold our own people without reason.
        There is no free media for a long time.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 14 September 2021 10: 37
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          There is no free media for a long time.

          Definitely.
          If today the media do not reflect the interests of the state and interested financial-oligarchic groups, then tomorrow these media will have the only opportunity to convey an alternative view - to clandestinely produce leaflets. Alas yes
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 September 2021 10: 46
            +1
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            the only way to convey an alternative view is to clandestinely produce leaflets. Alas

            Modern means of communication and communication, somewhat \ significantly, have expanded the possibilities / horizons achievable for "underground activities", but alas ... for those who wish to eat / drink sweetly and everything else, pleasant, there are not many options ... only falls under someone !
            They want to be free and beggars ... they do not want to be, more precisely.
  5. pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 14 September 2021 08: 01
    +8
    Russia used a "trick", the consequence of which would be to blame the United States for the energy crisis that arose in Europe due to pressure on Nord Stream 2.

    Do you (the West) believe that only you can do "tricks"? And the sanctions against the Nord Stream, and the third energy package, and "concern for the well-being of Ukraine" - the requirement to drive gas through its territory - these are not your tricks?
  6. agond
    agond 14 September 2021 08: 01
    -5
    Russia supplies gas to Europe at a price of $ 220. which then the European exchanges resell to their end consumers at a price above $ 700, the whole difference goes to Europe,
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 14 September 2021 08: 05
      +3
      Germany and Turkey sell to end consumers.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 September 2021 08: 12
        +8
        Long-term contracts with a fixed price for the end user, they ARE EVERYWHERE !!!
        Whoever is smarter, having taken care of it in advance, gets gas at the price that is now very comfortable for them, and NOT PREDICTIVE, now they buy virtual volumes of gas from speculators !!! It has always been this way, and it will be so, because there will ALWAYS be "spiritualized" lovers of jumping on a rake!
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 14 September 2021 08: 48
          +5
          Quote: rocket757
          Whoever is smarter, has attended to in advance, he receives gas at the price,

          Not certainly in that way. The EU countries have signed up to the rules of the 3rd energy package, and there the Groningen principles of gas trade are canceled and the spot system is enforced. Those who are stubborn receive lawsuits for non-compliance with the decisions of the European Commission. Even those who are smarter have no other way. Only exit from the EU ... and their agreements. Today, only old agreements signed in the years before the entry into force of 3 ES are in force.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 September 2021 09: 05
            +1
            What contract did the Hungarians sign?
            Another question .... after the current events, everyone will rush straight to fulfill the directives of Brussels, or will they put something on him somewhere?
            It will be interesting to see it !!!
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 14 September 2021 09: 22
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              What contract did the Hungarians sign?

              Do you have a text of the agreement? It would be interesting to watch it ... And besides, Hungary is one of those countries that are already on the verge of making a decision to leave the EU, and the EU is ready to say goodbye to them. And while they are in the EU, it is possible to pay fines in the EU to them more profitable than overpaying for gas from the hub. The Poles are also in conflict with the EU, but they are more in conflict with us. Therefore, 3 ES are guided. After all, the EU is also a living structure - it grows, matures, decays and disintegrates ... And all this is happening before our eyes.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 14 September 2021 09: 27
                +2
                Quote: Hagen
                Do you have a text of the agreement? It would be interesting to watch it

                Here I am that EVENTS are more and more interesting!
                Boom to see.
    2. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 14 September 2021 08: 10
      +5
      We need to sell more on the spot market. And under long-term contracts, only according to the contract.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 September 2021 09: 06
        +2
        Well, go through the "bazaar" and find the cheapest one.
    3. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 14 September 2021 08: 11
      +1
      All costs are paid by the end consumer ... in this case, the inhabitant of European countries ... let them ask their governments why such gas prices are due to the greed of their speculators.
      1. isv000
        isv000 15 September 2021 16: 12
        0
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        All costs are paid by the final consumer ...

        Something about the "regime" in Belarus fell silent, looking at the gas price tag of $ 129 ... bully
    4. Hagen
      Hagen 14 September 2021 08: 41
      +5
      Quote: agond
      Russia supplies gas to Europe at a price of $ 220. which then the European exchanges resell to their end consumers at a price above $ 700, the whole difference goes to Europe,

      You do not very correctly interpret what is written in different sources in the media. 220 - the price of gas for the consumer under a "long" contract, which is tied to the price of oil. Now the EU is pursuing a policy of avoiding this system of contracts and is pushing in its countries the spot trading system for short periods. In spot transactions (and today about 80% of the gas supplied by us abroad is traded from them) prices are cut off from oil prices, and it is they who have jumped out for 730 today ... Moreover, today all gas suppliers to European hubs trade at this price (Algerians , Norwegians, us and everyone else ...). After that, the gas will receive its markups in the distribution networks and will be delivered to the end consumer by much higher than $ 1000, or even close to $ 1500 per 1000. This is, if only briefly ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 September 2021 09: 11
        +1
        Long-term contracts and a stable price for energy carriers of non-green origin do not push the population towards the same green, EXPENSIVE, energy !!!
        So they concocted a sabotage to undermine one, for the sake of another!
        And now we are waiting for the result, will the townsfolk, voters, taxpayers tolerate such a mockery ??? How will this all end?
  7. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 14 September 2021 08: 08
    +2
    The whole trick is that who does not want gas, he will want firewood or coal!
  8. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 14 September 2021 08: 09
    +2
    Russia is not obliged to feed anyone for free ... pay and you will be happy.
  9. Furious bambr
    Furious bambr 14 September 2021 08: 09
    0
    That is, in the opinion of the author, as soon as the pipe is welded, should gas go through it right away?
  10. Errr
    Errr 14 September 2021 08: 18
    +3
    What a trick is there. If the bureaucratic euro-traps get cold enough in the winter and without heating, then they will easily be exempted from the rules of the European Union Gas Directive "Nord Stream - 2". smile
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 September 2021 08: 22
    +3
    If they sit without heat in winter, the Gay Europeans will quickly explain to these idiots how to build a gas pipeline and how to certify and launch it. wassat
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 14 September 2021 08: 23
    +3
    What else looks "cool" !!!
    When their dealers cheat on their competitors / opponents, this is HIGH PILOT, COMMERCIAL EXCELLENCE and further down the list ... as they praise them themselves.
    When someone from the outside, competitors, put them ... the piston in the nth place, beat them, on their, as they believed, "playing field", screeching and indignation immediately begins !!! HOW DARE, WHO ALLOWED and further down the list ...
    In general, everything is just like that .... more often they need to pull the goat mmm face on .... this will really be cool.
    1. oprovergatel
      oprovergatel 14 September 2021 17: 22
      +1
      So Oruel wrote about "doublethink" seventy years ago.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 September 2021 18: 42
        0
        And then they did not do this before him, no one knew that there are rightists, but there are even more to the right.
        Wrapped it up in a pretty wrapper and .... however, that's okay. There is demand, there will be supply.
  13. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 14 September 2021 08: 26
    +6
    Moscow is simply fighting for its interests. For the time being, we were told about the charms of the free trade market, but in fact, here is the seller, here is the buyer, only their business is to decide on what conditions they will make a deal, but then all kinds of evil spirits were brought up who are going to impose the terms of the deal on us. negative
    The audacity and cynicism of Western politicians is off the charts! They staged a coup d'etat in a neighboring state, they also want Russia to feed the government of collaborators in Ukraine!
  14. Glory1974
    Glory1974 14 September 2021 08: 33
    +3
    An amazing situation with oil and gas pipelines.
    In Chechnya, no one touched the oil wire during the war. Now there is a war going on in Ukraine, and no one is encroaching on the gas pipeline.
    I am tormented by vague doubts ....... winked
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 14 September 2021 15: 05
      +1
      Transit, yes, no one is touching it yet. In Chechnya, BOTH parties were interested in keeping the pipeline. When the pumping through Ukraine drastically decreases, explosions-provocations (with accusations of Russia) are likely by 80 percent, But local Ukraine periodically undermines-in the LPR, DPR, Crimea. It is necessary to return the death penalty, recognize the explosions as terrorist acts and shoot the perpetrators. maybe it won't come to blowing up the trunk lines.
  15. Prisoner
    Prisoner 14 September 2021 08: 38
    +2
    The cold is not an aunt, and a ruse is not a bombing. Be patient. Ours suffered while you were showing off. Now it's our turn to show off a little. laughing
  16. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 September 2021 08: 41
    0
    According to Nicholas Grozdev, Russia used a "trick", the consequence of which would be to blame the United States for the energy crisis that arose in Europe due to pressure on Nord Stream 2.
    There is such a type there
    Nicholas Grozdev, one of the editors of the National Interest
    What else can such a person write? Without options, Russia is to blame for everything.
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 September 2021 08: 44
    +2
    It is clear who this "expert" is engaged - opponents of "SP-2". When they could not prevent the completion of the gas pipeline, they decided to recoup by slowing down its commissioning. And for this, the interested parties do not feel sorry for either the strength or the means. Grozdev so, a small fry, but involved in the "fair and difficult" struggle of the USA, Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine with insidious Russia.
  18. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 14 September 2021 09: 03
    0
    Nord Stream 2 will not be able to be put into operation due to the impossibility of its certification due to the position of some countries that are categorically against it. We are talking about Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states.

    This is how the "limitrophes" differ from the normal, historically created countries.
  19. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 14 September 2021 09: 15
    0
    "because of the position of some countries that are categorically opposed. We are talking about Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states." but where does it have to do with them- AGAINST? the pipe does not go through them .. let Somalia and Taiwan be against it, and Georgia .. nonsense ..
  20. Denis Remezov
    Denis Remezov 14 September 2021 09: 24
    -1
    The Americans initially wanted their percentage with SP2, while not investing anything in it, plus the maintenance of their sixes at the expense of Russian gas, so they are angry that they have no money and now they will have to support the sixes from their budget, the further the more cries about all about this, after all, the allies must be supported for their hard-earned money, and the Americans will help the allies either with inflatable boats or decommissioned equipment.
  21. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 14 September 2021 09: 57
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    Neither the United States, nor Norway, nor Algeria, nor Azerbaijan, nor Qatar are in a hurry to supply more gas to Europe despite high prices, but for some reason, in their opinion, Russia should supply more and more.

    Maybe it's a technical problem, not a political one. Gas is not water from a tap, when it should be opened, when it should not be closed, in order to increase gas supplies it is necessary to increase production capacities, and then what to do if the winter is warm and the price of gas drops sharply ?! Collect capacity and eventually suffer losses. And for what ?!

    If the United States wants to help Europe reduce the cost of gas, let them increase LNG supplies themselves.
    1. agond
      agond 14 September 2021 10: 30
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      Quote: agond
      Russia supplies gas to Europe at a price of $ 220. which then the European exchanges resell to their end consumers at a price above $ 700, the whole difference goes to Europe,

      This was not my idea, the quote, Gazprom sells to Germany for 220, at least not so long ago ”(Putin's words on the Kremlin's official website). production and transportation to Europe, naturally this situation is very beneficial for resellers and it is unlikely that it will change soon,
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 14 September 2021 10: 53
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        Do not confuse long-term contracts with spot prices.

        Germany does not receive any profit, since they themselves have not yet filled their vaults.

        The spot price is high, because there are no free volumes of gas, as soon as they appear, the price will immediately go down, and sharply.

        Part of Gazprom's supplies are also supplied at spot prices, but most of them are based on long-term contracts tied to oil, which is why there is such a difference.

        When oil and gas fell, the price for long-term contracts was higher, since it goes with a lag of 6 months to the market price of oil. This once greatly angered Poland and Ukraine.
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 14 September 2021 20: 54
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          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Germany does not receive any profit

          When the price was "normal", the final consumer, i.e. burgher, paid up to 1000 euros for 1000 m³ (less consumption - more the price of a cube). All because of the subscription fee. In Ukraine, this experience was adopted - now there are two payments.
  22. Borisych
    Borisych 14 September 2021 10: 16
    -2
    Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states are against. Who else? Mars, Venus and the Goldfish with the Old Woman?
  23. zwlad
    zwlad 14 September 2021 11: 13
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    And how are the Tribals, Poles, and especially Ukrainians involved in the certification of the SP-2?
    1. agond
      agond 14 September 2021 11: 27
      +1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Germany does not receive any profit, since they themselves have not yet filled their vaults.

      The profit is received by the wholesaler (citizens of Germany or someone from Europe), bought for 220 and sold for 730, and the low degree of filling the storages is one of the factors supporting the high price and the longer it is high, the more profitable the wholesaler, everything is very serious, on this basis they are there there was a conflict of interest
  24. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 14 September 2021 11: 38
    -2
    Touches the stormy joy of the "commentators" about the preservation and consolidation of the course towards the export-raw material orientation of the country's economy. As for the sharply increased gas prices in Europe (which is rather bad for it, but not fatal), everything is very ambiguous:
    Capital of the Country: On August 25, Gazprom stopped selling additional gas volumes for a year on its electronic trading platform (ETP). Now he restricts supplies to long-term contracts only.
    Sergei Pravosudov: Gazprom's supplies to Europe are now somewhere around 50% linked to exchange prices.
    In fact, Gazprom's share in the European market is approximately 30% (this means that not only he and the beneficiary are also influencing the situation). At the same time, Interfax reports: The rise in prices helps Europe to fight for the flows of liquefied natural gas. The inflow of LNG to the terminals of the region in September is growing in relation to August by about 20%.
    And finally, spot prices (in fact, speculative because it seems that it is not physical, but “paper” gas that is being sold) does not always rise sharply upwards, sometimes they fall sharply, this should also be taken into account. With the launch of SP-2, the average price should go down ... At the same time, the regulator announced that the decision on certification would be made no later than January 8.01.2022, XNUMX.
    1. agond
      agond 14 September 2021 12: 23
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      Well, the price has exceeded $ 800 per 1000m3, but even if the price suddenly rises to $ 1 per 1m3, this by itself will not add gas, but on the other hand, the supplied gas should be enough (with economical consumption), because initially the volume was calculated somehow, just against the background of negative expectations, a rush demand arose, such as not enough for everyone, in this situation it would be correct to abandon the free market method for determining the internal price for a while and switch to state regulation, which is very likely Germany will do
  25. Tavi
    Tavi 14 September 2021 12: 44
    -1
    Moscow pumps through the territory of Ukraine exactly as much gas as required by the agreement with Germany
    With Germany ?? rather oCHEPyatka - with Ukraine ... Interestingly, the price will reach $ 1000?
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  26. Ulysses
    Ulysses 14 September 2021 15: 08
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    Grozdev is convinced that this "ploy" may work, since the cold season is approaching, half of the gas storage facilities in Europe are not yet full, and Russia is making it clear that gas can only be pumped through the new pipeline.


    Grozdev, this is a business.
    Nothing personal.. love
  27. Normann
    Normann 14 September 2021 16: 11
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    We are talking about Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states.
    They can go for a walk with their opinion. Even the tiger did not ask the roe deer for her opinion.
  28. svoit
    svoit 14 September 2021 17: 08
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    Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic States have absolutely nothing to do with SP2, they have built terminals for American LNG, and thank God
  29. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 14 September 2021 19: 00
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    Do not lose sight of the fact that gas flows through cn (1,2) to Germany, and only then goes through geyropes. And according to the State Customs Service of Ukraine - to Poland and from there to Geyrope.
    The Germans will only be happy to resell expensive gas, and even happier if the Poles get a fig with butter.
  30. Simfy
    Simfy 14 September 2021 19: 44
    +2
    The "zhovto-blakitnykh" have a war with Muscovy ... What agreements during the war? How can you feed the country with which the war is ??? Poland staked on LNG, did not manage to realize ... its problems, with them an open economic war. Let there be courts ... force majeure, war ... You just need to admit that there is a war
  31. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 15 September 2021 02: 06
    0
    When will Russia finally get off the gas-oil needle and start producing something on its own (except for submarines and missiles)?
    1. isv000
      isv000 15 September 2021 16: 17
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      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      When will Russia finally get off the gas-oil needle and start producing something on its own (except for submarines and missiles)?

      We can still supply good pots for export, inexpensively ... wassat
  32. AB
    AB 15 September 2021 09: 43
    0
    Apparently, for the States, the price of gas in Europe is not so high as to redirect the flows of liquefied gas from Asia to Europe. And if so, then they will not interfere.
  33. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 15 September 2021 09: 48
    +1
    It's just that SP-2 is the brainchild of Russians, not Americans, and that says it all. If it were an American project, then everyone would already applaud and start shooting a Hollywood blockbuster about freezing Europe and the saving American gas pipeline ... laughing
    1. isv000
      isv000 15 September 2021 16: 19
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      Quote: Alexey-74
      If this was an American project,

      For an American project, we can offer a copper basin ... bully
  34. Pastor
    Pastor 15 September 2021 19: 02
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    You will also ask Australia. These countries are not affected by SP2 in any way, and their opinion is equal to the opinion of grandmothers at the entrance in matters of gas prices. The army, navy and strong domestic politics are our allies.
  35. Oleg133
    Oleg133 15 September 2021 19: 11
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    They will sell sp2, they will not sell sp2 - personally, I will not get a dime from this.