Turks, Americans, British - what they say about COVID-19

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But please, take a look at me; will I speak lies before your face?
Job 6:28

Trust in information, trust in government. And it so happened that on August 5 VO published my article "Laws of information and vaccination against covid" that it is desirable for the citizens of Russia to receive more reliable, verified and meaningful information from persons "close to government agencies." Because where information is scarce, it is replaced by rumors and "reports of the OBS agency." Well, it was there about the personal experience of the author, thrusting "into this whole thing."

Recently there was a reason to poke my head into it again.



Why do they keep silent


I never had a chance to find out from the doctors whether my level of antibodies was high or not, but it turned out that I had to go to one medical institution to see a doctor about one old ailment that came from childhood. He came and saw - the doctor was elderly, in appearance (later it turned out that and not only in appearance) experienced and friendly. We started talking.

I told him:

- But after the illness I suffered in October-November - this is the level of antibodies, and my wife's is even higher ... How do we? Should I do it or not?

He told me:

- Wow, what a high level of antibodies you have, I also got sick at the same time (!), But I will have a lower one. No, don’t. Vaccination is done not for vaccination, but to create immunity, and you just have it!

At least I learned something, but, of course, he did not tell me his level. Very personal.

The second information came from the son-in-law.

I have known for a long time that he is an outstanding person with me: "Honorary Donor of Russia" and regularly donates his blood to the altar of the Fatherland. And then he tells me that he also got into the habit of donating plasma with antibodies. After all, we all got sick as one family at the same time, day after day, so that he had them, I could not doubt.

I ask:

- And what is the title?

He told me:

“I don’t know.” They take blood, do an analysis, they say high. But then they said - the level began to fall, perhaps we will soon not be taking plasma with antibodies from you - the game is not worth the candle!

I read before that plasma from those who have been ill is collected throughout the country and an effective drug for covid is made on its basis. True, it helps only at the initial stage of the disease. However, this is also good. As they say, God will help everyone who donates their plasma for this sacred cause.

Then the granddaughter from college comes and says:

- And a nurse came to us, and everyone is obliged to be vaccinated! True, they are still being expelled without threats.

I say:

- Have you been ill? And there is a certificate with the level of antibodies.

Answers:

- And it shakes nobody there!

Started! Not a piece of paper for a person, but a person for a piece of paper. And again - very bad with information. Whether the administration of the university is forced to be vaccinated or not, I still did not understand, although it seemed that he was not a drunken loader, the assistant professor seemed to be like, but he could not break through the casuistry of the words of the Ministry of Health and Narobraz.

But then I read and understood this well:

“According to TASS, Russian Health Minister Mikhail Murashko said:
“More than 92% of patients admitted to covid hospitals are unvaccinated patients. Those who receive the vaccinated are, as a rule, a mild course. They don't end up in intensive care. "

Wonderful! The minister said exhaustively.

But why would he not say at the same time how many of the remaining 8% of people got sick again and how many of them were vaccinated? Maybe 5 and 5, equally of both? Or maybe 2 and 8?

But what am I wondering?

This was the minister who had to tell us.

And then it would be clear what is the effectiveness of the natural immunity and immunity of the vaccinated. If he didn’t know, then ... he is a bad minister, that he doesn’t know such important things. If he knew, but did not say, it is even worse: what are his reasons for this?

However, at the beginning of July, the head of Rospotrebnadzor had already stated that no more than 1% of Russians who had recovered from it were re-infected with coronavirus. I could repeat it, console all of us who have recovered ...

Well, that's all with us.

The tradition of being silent


Traditions of not telling the people, or even just lying, we have come from the Soviet past, then they did not say anything and lied at every step, and now it is the same. The good news is that now through the Internet you can go to any international organizations and find out what they tell their fellow citizens, to whom they are clearly more respectful.

So, the public health service of England is analyzing the statistics of repeated cases of COVID-19 infection. The study is being conducted by the UK's National Statistical Office and the University of Oxford. They found that re-infection with covid is rare. Of the 4 million cases of coronavirus infection as of May 30, 2021, only 15 possible (this is emphasized!) Re-infections of SARS-CoV-893 were detected.

That is, re-infection occurs only in 0,4% of cases. But our minister also indirectly confirms this. “No more than 1%” - that's what the head of Rospotrebnadzor tells us.

“Global evidence suggests that natural infection provides better and longer lasting protection. After natural infection, vaccination does not provide additional benefits, so immunizing COVID-19 survivors is a waste of resources. "

- Sanjay Rai, professor of the Center for Public Medicine of the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS), comments on this information.

Our Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Sergei Zverev also said that natural human immunity is much stronger and more effective than artificial one. Moreover, the drop in the level of antibodies in people who have had covid does not mean at all that their body is made defenseless against it - scientists from the University of Washington School of Medicine in St. Louis echo the British.

The journal Nature writes how this study was conducted, how blood was taken from people and even bone marrow samples. And it turned out that, as they expected, all patients had fewer antibodies a few months after the illness. But then, some time later, their number began to grow again and reached a moderately stable level. That is, the body continues to remember about the past and past attack of pathogens. In the studied bone marrow samples, special plasma cells capable of producing the necessary antibodies were retained even 11 months after the disease and, according to American immunologists, they remain in our body then forever.

And here is the message from September 10th.

"Experts from Rockefeller University have identified the presence of" iron "immunity to coronavirus in those who were vaccinated with the two components of Pfizer or Moderna drugs."

And further:

"B cells and T cells 'remember' the virus, as a result, natural immunity protects the body for seven to eight months, and after a year the person still has antibodies, but at the same time becomes vulnerable to most strains."

"As it turned out, the body's immune system remembers the virus and even predicts how it might mutate."

How did our scientists react to this message?

In a conversation with Izvestia, Professor, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences and Head of the Laboratory of Biotechnology and Virology at NSU Sergei Netesov said that the study of American scientists on a large number of people had not been carried out and could not be called accurate.

That is, everything was "in vitro", and "of course, there was no real test on volunteers," he said. Oh, what are they, these Americans ... "bastards." They don't take volunteers, they write! Well, clearly, this is all to harm us and mislead the world community. But then so that Sergei Netesov not take, and not check their research on our volunteers?

Is its importance obvious?

Yes, it's obvious.

Then why their work is high, but we do not carry out ours?

Or again the question will be like: “Where can I get the money for volunteers? Puncture of the spinal cord is not a thing, it is worth a lot! "

However, there are other sources of interesting information. True, again, not ours, but foreign ones.

So, on September 13, the agency "RIA NewsReported that the results of a study of the effectiveness of the Russian vaccine against covid Sputnik Light among elderly citizens of Argentina were published in the peer-reviewed medical journal EClinicalMedicine, which is published by the leading medical journal The Lancet, and the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) reports.

It is noted that "Sputnik Light" showed "significantly higher efficacy against coronavirus among the elderly compared to many two-component vaccines" (which - why not call it, right?), That its effectiveness against hospitalization of infected people is at 82,1 -87,6% (data based on a survey of more than 40 thousand people, in the province of Buenos Aires). And if we consider that there is evidence that 10% of people, no matter how much they are vaccinated, do not develop immune cells (that is how they are people!), Then this is a very good result. Which, however, does not exceed the natural level of protection!

Now let's return to the United States with its "beastly grin" of capitalism.

There is a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS - a service that we really lack in humane Russia!). It was created by the decision of the Congress to monitor post-vaccination complications. And by the end of June 2021, this organization reported 6 deaths due to vaccination with the "most advanced" coronavirus vaccines. Already in early July, the number of vaccine victims reached 985, and by July 9 it had already reached almost 048. That is, almost 9 thousand people said goodbye to life "thanks to the best in the world" vaccines Moderna (11 cases) and Pfizer / Biontech (11).

How things stand with us, only the "OBS agency" knows ...

However, the most interesting information for today, in my opinion, came from Turkey - the main resting place for all advanced Russians. It was announced that from September 3, all those vaccinated with Sputnik Light or another single-component vaccine, except Johnson & Johnson, have been banned from entering the country, because Sputnik Light has not yet been certified.

Entry is allowed only to those who present one of the following documents:

- PCR test done no earlier than 72 hours before arrival and confirming that you are healthy;

- a certificate that you have been ill with covid within the last six months (that is, you are guaranteed to have antibodies);

- and an express test for antibodies made in the last 48 hours - that is, a test confirming that, although more than six months have passed since your illness, their level in your blood is quite high!

That is, this is what they are, the Turks, and what is their completely civilized approach to this important problem. And ... compare it with ours.

So say after that that "the test for antibodies does not mean anything," that it makes no sense to do it. Has and what else. Let's wait for a period of one year and see how much their level has dropped in our country, and there, perhaps, laboratories will be opened in provincial cities where it will be possible to analyze for T-cells. And then only we will decide whether to vaccinate or not!

I don’t want to be a puppet in the hands of a state that doesn’t want to bear any responsibility for the injection that has been made to you.

What is it afraid of if it is 100% safe?

Or is it not 100%?

And much less, only we do not report this, as well as the real effectiveness of all these vaccinations?
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  1. Bat
    0
    17 September 2021 15: 13
    One thing I did not understand, this infection was created in the laboratory (deliberately), or all the same it is God's punishment ...
    1. +13
      17 September 2021 16: 08
      Deliberately.
      And the campaign has nothing to do with China,
      1. Alf
        +2
        17 September 2021 17: 41
        Quote: ximkim
        Deliberately.
        And the campaign has nothing to do with China,

        The Fort Detrick laboratory is a military biological base, the newspaper writes. It contains materials about the bacteriological warfare of the German fascists and the Japanese "Detachment 731".

        In July 2019, cases of unexplained pneumonia were found in two nursing homes located near the Fort Detrick laboratory. In September of that year, a report from the state of Maryland, where the laboratory is located, mentioned pneumonia associated with e-cigarettes and noted a rapid increase in the number of people infected. It was then that cases of unexplained respiratory illness began to appear in Northern Virginia and Wisconsin.

        In July 2019, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued an official letter to terminate the Fort Detrick laboratory. Since then it has been closed.

        “Why did the US shut down this biological laboratory? A possible cause could be a leak. However, the leak of what? And to what extent? Is the leak causing the spread of e-cigarette pneumonia? All details were hidden under the pretext of national security. And until today they are a mystery, ”writes People's Daily.
        In fact, different data show that in time, the outbreak of a new type of coronavirus in the United States occurred a month earlier than in China, the newspaper notes. On June 15, 2021 local time, American media reported that in early 2020, the US National Institutes of Health collected 24 blood samples from various locations in the United States. At least 000 samples were tested for the presence of antibodies to the coronavirus.

        Importantly, the US National Institutes of Health confirmed that back in December 2019, Covid-19 was slowly spreading across the US. Given the time, a new type of coronavirus appeared in the United States a month earlier than in Wuhan, China.

        In addition, according to reports from The Palm Beach Post and USA Today, in 2020, two months before the official confirmation of Covid-19, that is, in December 2019, 171 cases have already been registered in the US state of Florida. 107 of those infected were not abroad.
        1. Bat
          -2
          17 September 2021 19: 37
          Quote: ximkim
          Deliberately.
          And the campaign has nothing to do with China,

          We have rumors here, I don’t know how much truth or falsehood, they say some kind of infection from the planes in the cities. For this, both roads and roads are washed. The question is, why wash the tracks in a pandemic? roads?
          1. +1
            17 September 2021 20: 01
            Hi, where is it at you?
            1. Bat
              -1
              17 September 2021 20: 02
              Quote: ee2100
              Hi, where is it at you?

              In Baku
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          2. +1
            17 September 2021 23: 39
            I, too, about this, but I think a little more technologically.
      2. +4
        18 September 2021 20: 06
        I am sure that the infection was created deliberately and I am sure that those who have recovered from covid in the future will have consequences for it is not yet clear what. Judging by itself, after the covid, it was recovering for half a year for sure. Sleep disturbances, depression, shortness of breath, it is very difficult to concentrate on work, I am dull where I used to solve easily
        1. 0
          22 September 2021 17: 31
          Strelnikova's gymnastics in the morning. It really helps. There were also problems with the work of the brain. And I'm used to my head working well, I got angry ... In general, the normalization of the supply of oxygen to the brain decides.
    2. -5
      17 September 2021 17: 00
      EVERYTHING in this world is done by the Will of the Lord of GOD!
      1. Bat
        0
        17 September 2021 19: 37
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
        EVERYTHING in this world is done by the Will of the Lord of GOD!

        on this I agree inside and out. God knows all that was, all that is and all that will be. Praise be to the Almighty.
        1. -2
          17 September 2021 19: 59
          Quote: Yarasa
          God knows all that was, all that is and all that will be. Praise be to the Almighty.

          Amen!
          1. Bat
            0
            17 September 2021 20: 02
            Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
            Amen!

            Amen!
            1. +1
              18 September 2021 20: 13
              The cultists drove up
        2. +2
          18 September 2021 20: 12
          Children are dying of cancer also by the will of the Lord?
      2. +4
        18 September 2021 14: 17
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
        EVERYTHING in this world is done by the Will of the Lord of GOD!

        And children who are sick from birth, wars, catastrophes and epidemics, according to whose will do they happen?
        1. +1
          18 September 2021 20: 13
          Found something to ask the sectarians)
    3. +2
      17 September 2021 23: 24
      He also punishes with the hands of people, even if these people go against him.
      1. -1
        19 September 2021 07: 55
        if I killed in the war doing the job am I a sinner and go to hell? When will the earth die in a million years, God will go on vacation? Or was he planning it?
        1. 0
          19 September 2021 09: 18
          I do not know. I do not know how it works, but I think that the parameters by which the reformatting and culling of the magnetic particle (soul), which is separated from the body after death, exist.
          1. 0
            19 September 2021 13: 54
            The earth will perish where will the soul move?
            1. 0
              19 September 2021 19: 21
              The seeker will find. For my part, I dare to suggest that to another earth and so on until the end of the universe. What will happen next .. Who knows? I have only guesses. I am not the ultimate truth.
              1. -2
                20 September 2021 07: 46
                In this case, the souls of dinosaurs also live among us?
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    1. -3
      17 September 2021 15: 26
      what the authors of VO are broadcasting about.
      Maybe the Minister of Health or the head of Rospotrebnadzor?
    2. 0
      17 September 2021 15: 33
      Why the third medical, before, and one was enough, sorry!
  3. +12
    17 September 2021 15: 25
    As I understand it, Shpakovsky added the last few lines solely for the sake of provocation? I did not find any prerequisites for such lines in the text above.
    Well, this is generally a strange statement.
    I never had a chance to find out from the doctors whether my antibody level was high or not.
    If you are very interested, do the test and see the result on the piece of paper.
    1. 0
      17 September 2021 15: 56
      Quote: Lesovik
      If you are very interested, do the test and see the result on the piece of paper.

      Can you tell me what it is, this is your result? Do you have a lot of antibodies? By themselves, the numbers DO NOT SAY ANYTHING.
      1. 0
        17 September 2021 16: 00
        Quote: kalibr
        Can you tell what it is? You have few and many antibodies.

        Personally, after the numbers, it was written in Russian in black and white that the level of antibodies is doubtful, it is recommended to be vaccinated. Subsequently, based on this result, when half a year (and two to three weeks after the test) had passed since I recovered from covid and I decided to get vaccinated, the doctor recommended that I be vaccinated not with a two-component companion, but with a one-component light companion.
        1. +3
          17 September 2021 16: 14
          Quote: Lesovik
          a single-component companion light.

          Oh-oh-oh-t! And at first NOBODY told me. High or low. And in college, no one cares - you need a checkmark! You were told dubious. In the end, the doctor told me - tall. And I did not advise ... He said to wait for the fall. But all this should go NOT PRIVATE, but officially !!!
          1. 0
            17 September 2021 16: 16
            Quote: kalibr
            But all this should go NOT PRIVATE, but officially !!!

            Quote: Lesovik
            Personally, after the numbers, it was written in Russian in black and white that the level of antibodies is doubtful, it is recommended to be vaccinated.

            What's "private" here? It is quite an official paper that is issued to everyone who has done an antibody test.
            1. 0
              17 September 2021 16: 31
              Quote: Lesovik
              What's "private" here? It is quite an official paper that is issued to everyone who has done an antibody test.

              You obviously don't want to understand me. Paper has nothing to do with it.
              1. +1
                17 September 2021 20: 07
                All VOSH moved to alternatives "paper has nothing to do with it"!
                We don't trust anyone in everyday life! And about history, which is different!
            2. -3
              17 September 2021 16: 51
              Quote: kalibr
              Oh-oh-oh-t! And at first NOBODY told me.

              Personally, I didn't bother with tests. I just came and got vaccinated. Sick-not-sick - did not find out, because more than once they said that the immunity developed after the disease is weaker than after vaccination. Moreover, new strains of this virus have appeared (strain D (Indian), if possible, spread 1000 times more than the one from which it began). The protection possibilities of modern vaccinations against this strain are lower. There are two ways to strengthen the protection of the vaccine: to increase the time interval between the first and second vaccinations (for Sputnik-V it is now 21 days), or to do another third vaccination (as some guru from medicine said on TV)
              In my opinion, at this time, when the virus mutates very quickly, you should not inject with single-component vaccinations (except perhaps for the elderly, whose body is weak for two-component vaccinations)
              1. +1
                17 September 2021 18: 03
                Quote: Bad_gr
                Moreover, new strains of this virus have appeared (strain D (Indian), if possible, spread 1000 times more than the one from which it began)

                And how can a vaccination against some strains work against others, have you ever wondered?
                1. +3
                  17 September 2021 18: 09
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  And how can a vaccination against some strains work against others, have you ever wondered?

                  As I understand it, it works with similar strains. If the difference is too big, then with less effect. Therefore, it is also necessary to be vaccinated against the flu every year, since its varieties appear in a year, with which the immunity copes worse.
                  1. +1
                    17 September 2021 19: 30
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    Therefore, it is also necessary to be vaccinated against the flu every year, since its varieties appear in a year, with which the immunity copes worse.

                    According to doctors, you need to be vaccinated at least a month before the epidemic. The question is - how do you know what strain will be this year in a month? Doesn't this remind you of the old Russian proverb "If I knew where to fall, to lay the straws"?
                    1. +2
                      17 September 2021 19: 36
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      The question is - how do you know what strain will be this year in a month?

                      The creators of vaccines somehow calculate this: in which direction the virus is developing and create a vaccine for this perspective. In the latest vaccines, up to three types of vaccines were combined in one dose (I will add details to it, this information has long come across)
                      1. +1
                        17 September 2021 19: 48
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        Vaccine creators somehow calculate this: in which direction the virus is developing

                        The vaccine makers say the flu vaccine contains information on a maximum of 3 strains. And there are hundreds of them. Did you pass the theory of probability at the institute?
                      2. +4
                        17 September 2021 20: 00
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The vaccine makers say the flu vaccine contains information on a maximum of 3 strains. And there are hundreds of them. Did you pass the theory of probability at the institute?

                        And how, according to the theory of probability, can you explain that for the last 25 years I have not been ill with anything? Not like the flu, not a cough, not a runny nose. In general, nothing infectious, colds, etc. This is despite the fact that this time I worked with people (sanatorium, boarding house, REO, etc.).
                        I do not rule out that I can get sick with something (even tomorrow), but at the moment 25 years without diseases.
                      3. 0
                        17 September 2021 20: 07
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        And how, according to the theory of probability, can you explain that for the last 25 years I have not been ill with anything?

                        How do you explain that only ten years ago an erection was better? wink
                        I hope the analogy is not offended?
                      4. +3
                        17 September 2021 20: 10
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        How do you explain that only ten years ago, an erection was better? wink I hope the analogy is not offended?

                        No, they didn't insult, and that's okay.
                        But we're talking about vaccinations, of which I am confident.
                      5. +3
                        17 September 2021 20: 16
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        But we're talking about vaccinations, of which I am confident.

                        Your right to be confident. I'm used to juxtaposing pros and cons. And note - we are only talking about the controversial benefits of vaccinations. Complications are still silent, although they are.
                      6. +1
                        17 September 2021 20: 11
                        Before Covid, they were vaccinated, if I'm not mistaken, from 5 strains of seasonal flu viruses. Roulette type. Who would shoot, no one knew, but would they shoot at all?
              2. +2
                18 September 2021 08: 49
                Quote: Bad_gr
                immunity developed after illness is weaker than after vaccination
                It's a bullshit.
                1. 0
                  18 September 2021 10: 29
                  Quote: bk0010
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  immunity developed after illness is weaker than after vaccination
                  It's a bullshit.

                  This is information from the TV that sounded more than once.
                  I will not argue on this topic, since I do not have my own statistics from hospitals, and my laboratory, where I would conduct research in this area, is the same.
                  1. +3
                    18 September 2021 11: 12
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    This is information from the TV that sounded more than once.
                    It's true. The only problem is that patents for Sputnik are at the top of Rospotrebnadzor, money drips from each vaccination, hence such a hysterical vaccination, regardless of medical indications and epidemics. Meanwhile, Sputnik is an adenovirus (with the first injection - one, with the second - another) with a piece of covid. So immunity is developed mainly against a harmless adenovirus (which is why two injections are needed to increase the chance that something will also work out against a piece of covid). How can this be better than immunity against a real covid, let them try to explain.
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      3. +2
        17 September 2021 20: 55
        Can you tell me what it is, this is your result?

        In any normal laboratory, the analysis form contains information about normal indicators, roughly speaking - how much should be and how much actually.
        1. +1
          21 September 2021 20: 31
          Smallpox vaccinations are given in infancy. And there are no antibodies against smallpox, but the immune system remembers it. But in which case, antibodies begin to be produced on their own. The same is done against all diseases that a person has suffered from. If he survived, then there is immunity! One vaccination is enough for the body to remember, but not enough for those who make money on it.
      4. 0
        21 September 2021 11: 16
        By themselves, the numbers DO NOT SAY ANYTHING.
        Weird. If there are numbers, they say everything. And those who assert the opposite - an ignoramus or just beep-beep. Or do you have the same approach to money? There are numbers, but they don't say anything! Petrosyan nervously smokes in the hallway.
  4. 0
    17 September 2021 15: 25
    The "covid" virus kills. I was sick, I almost died .. Does the vaccine give protection? in 90 percent. I will not write about my specialty. because it is superfluous. Does Covid kill after vaccination? Kills. Old people after 80 years and patients with a bunch of concomitant diseases. Vaccination on old and sick people almost does not work. And comrades, do not drink if you have Covid. Death in 90 percent of cases .. So advice " collective farmer ")
    1. +12
      17 September 2021 15: 52
      my mother is 80 years old. Not vaccinated. I got sick with the crown a month ago. A three-story dilapidated hospital on the outskirts of Rybinsk. They were cured reliably, they have such elderly people almost on stream - everyone is discharged healthy. The heroes, of course, are these aunts. Mom feels good.
      To whom, as it is written, he will leave.
      1. +1
        17 September 2021 16: 18
        Good care and easy course. And yes, read out the history of all your mother's chronic diseases. I was joking. No need. Medical secret.
        1. +3
          17 September 2021 16: 32
          You, as a doctor, can. Almost standard: hypertension, diabetes, arthritis of the hands, terrible slagging with drug residues.
          1. 0
            17 September 2021 16: 46
            Yes, I'm a collective farmer)). God forbid to be a doctor)) Dismiss my friend. Therefore, I don’t ask what your mother is suffering from. And the "ancient collective farmers" taught me not to heal by phone or mail)). Joke ..
            1. 0
              21 September 2021 20: 33
              Long life and easy death must be earned from God.
          2. 0
            17 September 2021 18: 04
            Quote: Galleon
            diabetes

            First risk group. Health to your mother. hi
            1. +1
              18 September 2021 14: 52
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Health to your mother.

              Thanks Igor!
  5. +1
    17 September 2021 15: 26
    Quote: Yarasa
    One thing I did not understand, this infection was created in the laboratory (deliberately), or all the same it is God's punishment ...


    In any case, it is God's will for everything.
  6. +10
    17 September 2021 15: 28
    In general, it seems logical that after a while antibodies in the body fall. If there is no infection - why would the body develop means to fight it? After all, if it were different - think with how many infections we meet in our life, and what would our blood look like if immunity was permanently fighting with all of them? Yes, we would only work on one numerous antibodies! There was definitely not enough energy for life ..

    This means that the requirement to constantly pin up artificially maintaining a high level of antibodies already contains some illogicality .. And it does not correlate very much with life experience - were we vaccinated against the same smallpox or tuberculosis with poliomyelitis once in our life, in childhood? And then no one was interested in antibodies to them. But did the vaccinations work, since these diseases were almost eradicated? And why do they speak differently with the crown? Why is the type of one cycle of vaccinations not enough, almost once in half a year you have to inject?
    1. +1
      17 September 2021 15: 57
      Quote: paul3390
      contains some illogicality .. And it does not correlate very much with life experience - were we vaccinated against the same smallpox or tuberculosis with poliomyelitis once in our life, in childhood? And then no one was interested in antibodies to them. But did the vaccinations work, since these diseases were almost eradicated? And why do they speak differently with the crown? Why is the type of one cycle of vaccinations not enough, almost once every half a year you have to inject?

      That's it. You grasp the point very well!
      1. +3
        17 September 2021 16: 16
        No essence. There are infectious diseases that have been ill with which a lifelong persistent immunity appears. There are very few of them ... Measles, rubella, hepatitis A, chickenpox, smallpox. Viruses of these diseases DO NOT MUTE and vaccines work in 100 percent of cases. Yes, I also forgot the rabies virus and poliomyelitis. There will never be a vaccine for malaria, as well as for West Nile fever, Japanese encephalitis, Encephalitis lethargic Economo, or African trypanosomiasis. You can minus me "disease experts")). Massaraksh))
        1. 0
          17 September 2021 17: 21
          Quote: Walking towards the light
          You can minus me "disease experts"

          Why minus you, you wrote everything correctly.
        2. +7
          17 September 2021 17: 40
          Well, okay - if the covid virus mutates like that, then what's the point of vaccines at all? And even more so - to inject the same one for the third time? I do not understand.
        3. +1
          17 September 2021 18: 10
          COVID-19 has two main problems: the consequences of the disease itself (like the flu, but this is not the main group of deaths, although thrombosis without treatment is dangerous) and a cytokine storm. The main task of vaccinations is to prevent reaching the stage of the disease or to reduce the "intensity" of this storm.
      2. +3
        17 September 2021 17: 35
        Namesake, hello! One out of two. Either this virus has a plan (well, at least a thousand years, as Woland said), or our scientists do not understand something ...
    2. +4
      17 September 2021 16: 01
      I was ill last November. I did not vaccinate. This August he lived for some time in the apartment of a person freshly hospitalized with this diagnosis. Fine. And why should I be vaccinated if it has already been verified that I no longer take it?
      1. +1
        18 September 2021 00: 58
        Quote: Galleon
        And why should I be vaccinated if it has already been verified that I no longer take it?

        Well, the virus does not take .. so the vaccine will take .. perhaps this is the calculation ... other logical explanations are difficult to find .. hi
    3. +1
      17 September 2021 17: 37
      In the case of the coronavirus, in contrast to vaccinations against other infections, we can say that the vaccine (both ours and not ours) is still "damp", not fully tested and not fully tested. So she throws out the fertel, plus the West is in a hurry to "make money" from the misfortune of people and through the WHO "pull" with the official recognition of Sputnik, which is the only one created on the basis of a proven method.
    4. +1
      17 September 2021 21: 40
      Every year they are asked to inject against the flu ... the coronavirus is not unique here ...
      1. +1
        21 September 2021 20: 38
        It seems that vaccinations make the corona mutate and this is very necessary. They will stop pricking and the crown will become uninteresting, and the producers will be very unhappy.
        1. 0
          22 September 2021 08: 50
          When it seems like you need to be baptized ..
          1. +1
            22 September 2021 20: 54
            It is much more spectacular to pour over holy urine, it helps a lot. And if it doesn't seem to you, then you don't have enough imagination, although there is such a thing. Taki the crown muddies.
            1. 0
              23 September 2021 10: 07
              Everyone knows that the virus is constantly mutating from school. He will mutate both with and without vaccinations, because he also wants to live, everyone knows this, for this you do not need to strain your imagination ...
              Well, and, of course, I cannot know what you are pouring over, but I advise you not to blaspheme ...
  7. 0
    17 September 2021 15: 31
    Thank you! Lucid, understandable and believable by 87,6%! Joke!
  8. +6
    17 September 2021 15: 32
    In June and July, the wife received 1 and 2 vaccinations, respectively. In August, my grandson and I flew to Turkey to have a rest. We returned on August 29th. At the airport, they took a test from both COVIDs. 30, an ambulance took his wife to the COVID hospital with 50% lung damage. Pumped out. When asked why, after the vaccination, she became infected, they answered that if it had not been for the vaccine, it would have generally bent. Now draw your own conclusions, whether you need a vaccination and whether there is any sense from it. I personally don't know.
    1. +3
      17 September 2021 15: 59
      Statistics, research and TIME !!! There is no other way and no one can answer.
    2. +2
      17 September 2021 16: 07
      To go to Turkey, to carry the infection here is the right time to choose.
      1. +5
        17 September 2021 18: 08
        Quote: out of habit
        Turkey

        What's better here? The same Moscow metro is worse than Turkey, and the window dressing with fines for non-masks is a pure bluff and a ruinous dough.
        1. +1
          17 September 2021 18: 28
          And where from here? Yes, everything is from there. Last year in Tyumen the first Kovidnik appeared. A foolish student from Turkey brought in. And away we go.
  9. +9
    17 September 2021 15: 46
    Quote: Walking towards the light
    The "covid" virus kills. I was sick, I almost died .. Does the vaccine give protection? in 90 percent. I will not write about my specialty. because it is superfluous. Does Covid kill after vaccination? Kills. Old people after 80 years and patients with a bunch of concomitant diseases. Vaccination on old and sick people almost does not work. And comrades, do not drink if you have Covid. Death in 90 percent of cases .. So advice " collective farmer ")

    wow, America was discovered))) the flu virus also kills, but something is not heard such hysteria about this.
    About 90% of protection after vaccination is from the same opera as herd immunity, which initially, according to the authorities, should have been 60%, then 80%, now in general in numbers and lies are confused. 90% protection, too, according to these promises?
    In general, it is difficult to think of more anti-advertising to all this, which has no analogues than the emergency self-isolation of the leader. So what happens? if in his immediate environment dozens of people have become infected (in his own words), then all these fuflomycins are not worth a dime, and they are of no use to them like milk from a goat.
    1. +1
      17 September 2021 16: 11
      The vaccine protects the young and healthy. Do you think that a bulletproof vest will protect you from a shot from a tank? So the vaccine is a bulletproof vest. It will protect anyone.
      1. +4
        17 September 2021 16: 28
        Quote: Walking towards the light
        The vaccine protects the young and healthy. Do you think that a bulletproof vest will protect you from a shot from a tank? So the vaccine is a bulletproof vest. It will protect anyone.

        how can I put it mildly so as not to be banned? the logic is amazing))) protects the young and the healthy .... so what is it for everyone indiscriminately pricked, if there is zero sense from it for the old people according to your words? and from what in principle does it protect? from the possibility of getting infected yourself? NO. from the possibility of infecting others? NO.
        can we help you to get better with covid? absolutely unfounded assertion, because in order to assert this, one must have a very large sample of those who have had covid without a vaccine and with a vaccine.
        1. 0
          17 September 2021 16: 44
          "will we help you to get better with covid?"
          1. +5
            17 September 2021 16: 55
            Quote: Walking towards the light
            "will we help you to get better with covid?"


            And if you get vaccinated, and then vote for the EP? It seems that the action should intensify?
            1. 0
              17 September 2021 17: 02
              Personally, I am a fan of Pyotr Alekseevich Kropotkin. Read his works. It is very interesting.)) Although this is alien to most people. Why improve yourself if you can rely on "United Russia", Fair Russia "LDPR", "Smart voting". I will choose an uncle from the list and everything will be a "bundle." Then these guys will take everything and divide it to me like a brother). So sergo1914?)) "Balls-" But what is there to think? choose another Tsar not from "Er".))
              1. +2
                17 September 2021 21: 36
                Into the clown. He mows under the medic. Under the sauce "experienced", "believe me, I was there")))
                About cancer, strokes, heart attacks after vaccinations have you heard anything?
                If a person is ill, there is nothing for him to inject. It is not in vain that the Turks put those who have been ill above those vaccinated with the Russian vaccine.
              2. 0
                22 September 2021 20: 57
                Once you go to the light, it’s bad, you’re in a tunnel and there is an electric train going towards you with the headlights on.
            2. +2
              18 September 2021 01: 00
              Quote: sergo1914

              And if you get vaccinated, and then vote for the EP? It seems that the action should intensify?

              If you are sure to vote for the United Russia party ... then you can not get vaccinated .. there are rumors that the virus is afraid of adherents of edra ..
              1. +1
                18 September 2021 10: 36
                Quote: Svarog
                Quote: sergo1914

                And if you get vaccinated, and then vote for the EP? It seems that the action should intensify?

                If you are sure to vote for the United Russia party ... then you can not get vaccinated .. there are rumors that the virus is afraid of adherents of edra ..


                So Woffka went into self-isolation ...
                1. 0
                  18 September 2021 12: 42
                  Quote: sergo1914
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Quote: sergo1914

                  And if you get vaccinated, and then vote for the EP? It seems that the action should intensify?

                  If you are sure to vote for the United Russia party ... then you can not get vaccinated .. there are rumors that the virus is afraid of adherents of edra ..


                  So Woffka went into self-isolation ...

                  Probably dislikes edro .. from that there are fears)))
                  1. 0
                    18 September 2021 16: 23
                    Hi Volodya!
                    Do you follow the elections?
                    IN somehow tolerantly ignores them. laughing The Internet is boiling with videos of stuffing, carousels and double lists of voters, and Elochka Pamfilova says there are no violations! laughing
                    Tomorrow we will go with the whole family, even my mother is coming from the village. hi
                    1. +2
                      18 September 2021 16: 44
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Hi Volodya!
                      Do you follow the elections?

                      Hello, Igor!
                      Of course I follow .. today I went with a friend to wash the car .. his wife is a primary school teacher .. in the presidential elections, she was deprived of the bonus for refusing to make a stuffing. Now the school has a new director, the old one went up .. and now a friend tells me a new story .. from the words of his wife .. The meeting .. all the teachers are in place .. the EP agitation is going on .. from the new director of the school .. The physical instructor interrupts the director, who in the heat of "patriotic" frenzy trying to convey to the employees the need to vote for the United Russia .. the physical education instructor says that he will not be involved in stuffing .. In the evening, the pedagogical staff, headed by the director, comes to his house and accuses him of being the fifth column and a provocateur .. The next meeting is being held without the physical education teacher, where they want to fire him .. but they haven’t found him yet .. they make a decision that they need to look for an excuse ..
                      These are the cases specifically in N, Chelny.
                      I will go to vote, although I see that this is a disastrous business .. It will be funny to look at the results .. The administrative machine is working at full capacity ...
                      I have four families (friends and wives), all for the Communist Party. According to personal polls, a fairly wide circle, about 150 people, no one votes for the United Russia .. In general, there are none.
                      VO can be seen pressed tightly. Previously, there was a lot of controversy ... now there is really silence .. Everyone is being pressed down .. Freedom of speech is over .. for now we can express our personal opinion .. but it will most likely end soon .. hi
                    2. -1
                      18 September 2021 16: 55
                      Just scream hunting .. well done girl .. strong ..
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      IN somehow tolerantly ignores them.

  10. +2
    17 September 2021 15: 57
    And much less, only we do not report this, as well as the real effectiveness of all these vaccinations?
    So it is necessary to vaccinate or not ... THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT !!!
    By the way, we have started a subscription to FLU! maybe also NOT NECESSARY?
    1. +5
      17 September 2021 16: 22
      I have a daughter, when she was still working at the university, she was very seriously ill with the flu. Then ... I didn't get sick for many years and does not get sick. I worked at a university, students sneezed at me, coughed at me, and I also had the flu. Not very hard and ... did not get sick after 8 years. No vaccinations. For 8 years, at least 25 people sneeze at you. And nothing ... But I know people who were vaccinated and immediately infected. I am not discouraging you, God forbid. But it's all strange somehow ...
      1. 0
        17 September 2021 18: 36
        At the expense of influenza ... experts express their DANGER that the INFLUENCE this season will manifest itself seriously, with grave consequences.
        How it will be, we will find out later ... but I will not do experiments. The doctor said in ... get vaccinated, we will listen to him.
        .
      2. +1
        17 September 2021 21: 46
        And I know people who have not been vaccinated and got sick ...
        I also know people who were vaccinated and did not get sick ...
        There is also something to think about ...
    2. -4
      17 September 2021 17: 09
      You don't need flu ... from covid, everyone was vaccinated in San Marino.No new cases, In China, a billion vaccinations have been delivered. Only sporadic cases have been recorded. Think.)
      1. +1
        17 September 2021 17: 47
        But in Mongolia, where a 97,8% surge in incidence took place. Think.) And they do vaccinations. Give an enema!
        1. 0
          17 September 2021 18: 33
          Quote: kalibr
          surge in incidence

          So the spike in INCIDENCE or MORTALITY? Another question, are there a lot of people under the ventilator, and how many others were there and that's it?
          By the way, after all, no one has proven, does not say that vaccination eliminates infection with covidloid by all 100.
          1. -2
            17 September 2021 18: 43
            Quote: rocket757
            So the spike in INCIDENCE or MORTALITY? Another question, are there a lot of people under the ventilator, and how many others were there and that's it?
            By the way, after all, no one has proven, does not say that vaccination eliminates infection with covidloid by all 100.

            And there is no information! So far, only this. But where disease is, there is death ...
            1. 0
              17 September 2021 20: 00
              Yes, there are deaths ... there are always people with compromised health, and there are plenty of surprises ...
              BUT, the mortality rate is 0,0 ** what percentage there is, this is not 1,0 - 2,0% of the cases, which is what happens here, because ...
              My friend was again mobilized to the hospital, and he worked there for almost a year ... he didn’t want to anymore, but Alas! There are not enough specialists, there is nowhere to go. He is not ... not very fond of anti-axers and he has, there is a reason to be so.
        2. 0
          18 September 2021 17: 20
          Quote: kalibr
          But in Mongolia, where a 97,8% surge in incidence took place. Think.) And they do vaccinations. Give an enema!



          Blue-sick. The surge is not very similar. And the vaccinated naturally not 97,8%, but much less
      2. 0
        17 September 2021 18: 27
        Shaw here to think, I have already done a revaccination .. and so, in the first thousand vaccinated in the city.
        By the way, the anti-Vaxer for me, for about three days, "sneezed / breathed" ... he himself got to the hospital, infected all seven of his, and at our work nobody and nothing .. everything took root in time.
        Maybe it coincided so, BUT, on thoughts, concrete, directs.
        1. +2
          17 September 2021 21: 58
          My wife fell ill in October (the antibody test was confirmed) .. she got sick easily, but the consequences have been haunting her for a year, the temperature of 37,3- + has been holding for a year, so she feels bad. The problems with the head also became. it's very hard to see how bad she is. Doctors can not help, I have passed a bunch of tests, they are all perfect, but there is a problem. Doctors say be patient, the consequences ... here we are, we hope .. I myself was vaccinated back in January, when everyone was still saying that I was very stupid and should not be vaccinated in any way ... and I was "traumatized by the herd instinct of rumors - gossip" and I went and took root .. now at work I laugh at those who were clever a year ago and now "change their shoes in the air" ..
          By the way, when my wife was sick, I did not isolate myself from her, lived in the same room, slept in my favorite bed, I did not defend myself in any way ... I did not get infected from her ...
          1. +1
            18 September 2021 05: 19
            She and the experts say that the disease has not yet been "disclosed"! There are many strange things behind her and around her.
  11. +2
    17 September 2021 16: 18
    Quote: paul3390
    In general, it seems logical that after a while antibodies in the body fall. If there is no infection - why would the body develop means to fight it? After all, if it were different - think with how many infections we meet in our life, and what would our blood look like if immunity was permanently fighting with all of them? Yes, we would only work on one numerous antibodies! There was definitely not enough energy for life ..

    This means that the requirement to constantly pin up artificially maintaining a high level of antibodies already contains some illogicality .. And it does not correlate very much with life experience - were we vaccinated against the same smallpox or tuberculosis with poliomyelitis once in our life, in childhood? And then no one was interested in antibodies to them. But did the vaccinations work, since these diseases were almost eradicated? And why do they speak differently with the crown? Why is the type of one cycle of vaccinations not enough, almost once in half a year you have to inject?

    everything will become absolutely logical if we take it for the postulate that vaccines against covid and regular revaccination are not about medicine, caring for people's health and stopping the spread of the virus, but about restrictions on rights and freedoms and loyalty to the ruling regimes.
  12. +1
    17 September 2021 16: 23
    There is a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) - a service that we really lack in humane Russia!

    How things stand with us, only the "OBS agency" knows ...

    Forgive me generously, but this very VAERS is the typical "OBS agency".
    Here is a short description of this system: https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

    A system has been created just for "superficial monitoring", the veracity of the messages indicated there is almost impossible to check - therefore, almost anyone can write anything there. Moreover, vaccine distributors are also encouraged to inform VAERS about any deaths after vaccination - regardless of the real cause of death (except perhaps accidents, of course).
    That is, no one knows absolutely nothing about what actually died each of these 11 thousand, about which you write. Post hoc NON propter hoc - you, dear Vyacheslav, should know this golden principle if you are fond of history ...

    Any REAL statistics can be conducted solely on the basis of official medical reports - and in general nothing else. Just an oral or written message from complete strangers - they don't talk about anything at all (without even remembering about the option with the simplest sabotage of "anti-vaccination workers" in the form of a raid on that site).
    1. +1
      17 September 2021 17: 26
      In a number of countries, the use of Pfizer has been suspended due to the consequences. Is this also a "foray" of anti-vaccine workers? But here you are reading the data that is published in our country and cities? There are THREE numbers: got infected, recovered, died. AND EVERYTHING! But it is necessary: ​​NUMBERS have become infected: so many not vaccinated, so many vaccinated, so many recovered with the level of antibodies ..... Recovered - here and one number was enough. And he died - AGE, DISEASES, IF THERE IS - vaccinated, not vaccinated, had been ill ... and WEIGHT, so that people think that excess fat ... is harmful. Is it better than what it is? And it is not difficult to do this, nevertheless it is recorded in the anamnesis.
      1. 0
        18 September 2021 02: 04
        In a number of countries, the use of Pfizer was suspended due to the consequences

        Firstly, it was not Pfizer, but AstraZeneca (however, it doesn’t matter, if we are talking about vaccines in general). Secondly, even this vaccine was then allowed again - no one was able to find a clear relationship. And in any case, it was about isolated cases in millions vaccinated, the number of incidents was certainly not measured in "thousands" (as you have in your article).

        But here you are reading the data that is published in our country and cities?

        Specifically, about our statistics (if you are talking about Russian) - in general, "either good or nothing," as they say. Alas. In my opinion, only the lazy did not scold them for extremely strange and extremely uninformative data.

        In a number of other countries, such statistics are kept - hospitalized or deceased are divided into groups "vaccinated" and "unvaccinated". And all the data show a very convincing effect of vaccination - the ratio of deaths to those infected stands out especially clearly, which, compared with the periods "before vaccination", is now less than plus or minus an order of magnitude (literally an order of magnitude, that is ten times).
        Sorry, but in my opinion it is very reckless to write an article on vaccines without first looking at all this data ...

        And again, separately about VAERS ... I have already given you a description of the CDC (one of the founders of this system, by the way) - which directly states that this is just raw unverified dataand that their generally in no way can be used in any calculations or analytics.
        If suddenly this was not enough, then here is another description from the FDA (also one of the founders of the system): https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccine-adverse-events/vaers-overview

        Do you really think these offices are "not serious enough"? what
      2. +1
        18 September 2021 17: 09
        Quote: kalibr
        In a number of countries, the use of Pfizer was suspended due to the consequences

        Which ones?
        By the way
        there is a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS - a service that we really lack in humane Russia!). It was created by the decision of the Congress to monitor post-vaccination complications. And by the end of June 2021, this organization reported 6 deaths due to vaccination with the "most advanced" coronavirus vaccines. Already in early July, the number of vaccine victims reached 985, and by July 9 it had already reached almost 048. That is, almost 9 thousand people said goodbye to life "thanks to the best in the world" vaccines Moderna (11 11 cases) and Pfizer / Biontech (2 939).


        Word unverified means - Unverified ... The site explicitly warns that these are just signals from consumers. How much they correspond to reality - no one checks
  13. +2
    17 September 2021 17: 10
    A genetically modified drug is power!
    SENSATIONAL RECOGNITION of Gunzburg about the mechanism of his "Sputnik" !!!

    PS Well, what kind of ghouls proved that this is not the GMR?
  14. -2
    17 September 2021 17: 17
    Traditions not to tell the people, or even just lie with us comes from the Soviet past, then they kept back and lied at every step, and now it's the same. The good news is that now through the Internet you can go to any international organizations and find out

    How I blundered that I did not immediately look who the author of the article was ...
    The West is like a mirror, clean and honest, never lies, no, no, except that sometimes, well, or always, misinformation pours into everyone's ears. Try to get truthful data from them on any issue - that's right, get hell without anything. They have everything classified and re-classified a hundred times.
    But for someone they are a beacon of goodness and reason !?
  15. +2
    17 September 2021 17: 20
    Our shot - everywhere in time! Now Shpakovsky is not only a historian, but also an epidemiologist or a virologist? Asking a question into the void is his corporate identity.
    What is the article about? That the Russian authorities are hiding something? So they hide everything. Decide on PCR tests, what they show and their effectiveness. For antibodies to Covid, no one will tell you the norm, it is not. And the presence of antibodies in the body is not a guarantee against Covid disease. Your granddaughter's problems with vocational schools - solve with vocational schools.
    There are some pretty informative articles on this topic and comments to them on the blog. Check it out!
    Is it just for PR? Yes VOSH?
    1. -3
      17 September 2021 21: 44
      That the Russian authorities are hiding something?
      So our power is not homogeneous.
      The prime minister is responsible for healthcare, education, culture, etc., and today it is Mishustin.
    2. 0
      18 September 2021 08: 56
      Quote: ee2100
      Now Shpakovsky is not only a historian, but also an epidemiologist or a virologist?
      Where to go? In our situation, when money for vaccinations is dropped by those who decide that vaccinations are necessary, you have to collect information on the topic yourself if health is expensive.
  16. -1
    17 September 2021 19: 40
    And by the end of June 2021, this organization reported 6 deaths due to vaccination with the "most advanced" coronavirus vaccines. Already in early July, the number of vaccine victims reached 985, and by July 9 it had already reached almost 048.

    Nonsense. These numbers show deaths after vaccination. AFTER. And not "because of". Thousands of vaccine victims are nonsense.

    By the way, the same nonsense, about thousands of victims, is persistently promoted by the Katasonov, widely known on the Internet.
  17. +1
    17 September 2021 21: 16
    - and a rapid antibody test done in the last 48 hours ...
    So say after that that "the test for antibodies does not mean anything," that it makes no sense to do it.

    Not for antibodies, but for antigen, comrade. Author!

    In case of failure to submit a vaccination certificate or documents indicating that the passenger had COVID-19 disease, it shall be considered adequate to submit a PCR test with negative result taken within maximum 72 hours before entry or the negative rapid antigen test result taken within maximum 48 hours before entry.


    https://www.turkishairlines.com/en-int/announcements/coronavirus-outbreak/travel-restrictions/
  18. 0
    17 September 2021 21: 41
    Our Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Sergei Zverev also said that natural human immunity is much stronger and more effective than artificial one.
    So this is all virologists say.
    And just do not understand where Murashko, Popova and Golikova came from, trying to instill the whole country to be vaccinated.
  19. -1
    17 September 2021 21: 56
    I don’t want to be a puppet in the hands of a state that doesn’t want to bear any responsibility for the injection that has been made to you.
    The state is governed by a power that is not homogeneous in our country.
    Moreover, we have three types of power: legislative, executive, judicial. Which, in addition, are still subdivided into federal and regional.
    ---
    Speaking of a state that does not want to be held accountable, to which part of the state power are you addressing?
  20. +1
    18 September 2021 08: 50
    Our Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Sergei Zverev also said that natural human immunity is much stronger and more effective than artificial one.

    There is also a downside. With the first and serious illness, a significant breakdown of the body occurs. Therefore, in a secondary disease, if the body is significantly weakened, despite the immunity, it is easier for the coronavirus to finish off a person.

    “The second time I got sick six months after the first, and much more difficult,” says Sergei. - With severe muscle pain, high fever, shortness of breath and loss of smell. Well, insomnia is still with me. "

    “The first time, in August, 1 lung was affected in 1%,” Nina recalls. - There was also weakness and the temperature was not high. The second time - the temperature did not go down at all, as in delirium for 2 weeks, the lungs were affected both, 30 and 35%.

    “I was sick on May 12 and October 19. The second is much more severe, with more lung involvement, and more postcoid complications. Veins came out, a terrible tachycardia appeared and for the first time "blossomed" neurology in all its glory - pain, depression, apathy, a feeling of death. Well, cognitive functions have sagged to the fullest. It is still a postcovid, ”notes Ulyana.

    https://www.mk.ru/social/2021/05/02/bolela-koronavirusom-tri-raza-rossiyane-v-kraskakh-raspisali-povtornye-zarazheniya.html
  21. +2
    18 September 2021 08: 51
    Well, yes, the silence of information goes around the world, because this covid is like manna from heaven for the governments of all countries, since it destroys, first of all, the elderly and the weak (billions of dollars in savings on the payment of pensions and social benefits).
    And I have the impression that governments are struggling to make things worse. Just what is worth, for example, is this gross violation of the postulates of immunology - vaccination during an epidemic! And the fact is that vaccination of an infected person often leads to a mutation of the virus, and this person becomes a source of a new unknown infection, and since his symptoms are milder, he calmly walks through public places and spreads this infection. And while the president broadcasts from the screens that vaccination is, they say, a voluntary matter, then on the ground, at least in several regions of Russia (I know, because my friends live there), the requirements for vaccinations are very strict, up to dismissal from work. And so all over the world. In Israel, for example, 85% of the vaccinated were achieved, but their mortality, for some reason, jumped at times ...
    The same is the case with effective drugs for covid. Everywhere they advertise expensive vaccines and stir up fear in the media to force people to get vaccinated, but for some reason no one at the government level advertises a very effective and penny remedy discovered by the Sechenov Institute. It has been used in medicine since the end of the 19th (!) Century and has shown its effectiveness against the Ebola virus and all types of malaria. I accidentally read about him on the Internet (the world is not without kind people). My wife and I were sick (I was already 9 days, with a temperature of 37,5, and she - 5, with a temperature of 38,5), the state was very lousy (both had positive PCR). So after taking this drug inside and injecting it, the very next day we felt good (as there was nothing, and the temperature was 36,5). Two days later, they took PCR from us again - negative about them! After 4 days, it was the turn for CT of the lungs, my wife had 1% of "residual effects of viral damage to the lungs", I had 25% (that is, a little more and I would have thundered into the hospital, with an unknown outcome). Three weeks have passed since the illness, and we still feel great. People ask questions - why this tool is not widely used. The answer, as always, is very vague and abstruse: "There are no randomized studies", but if you think about it, it becomes funny, to tears - one might think that for new vaccines, such studies already exist. In addition, this drug is not toxic and has been used in medicine for a very long time.
    These are the "kitten pies" ....
    PS search string: blue vs covid
    1. 0
      20 September 2021 10: 30
      but no one, at the government level, for some reason advertises a very effective and penny tool opened by the Sechenov Institute.

      And the name, please write. Please. Thank you in advance.
      1. 0
        20 September 2021 13: 17
        Methylene blue.
        1. 0
          7 November 2021 07: 26
          Are you out of your mind? They will tell you that shit helps from COVID. - will you eat too? Nonsense.
          1. 0
            9 November 2021 09: 04
            I'm just sharing my experience. More than a month has passed, and during this time more than 20 people, relatives and friends, have already been healed just as easily and simply. wink
            Methylene blue is non-toxic and has been used in medicine since the century before last, showing its effectiveness against the Ebola virus, all forms of molar and some types of cancer.
            During this time, only one negative side effect was found - if you start treatment with methylene blue before the PCR, then hell, you will then receive a certificate with a QR code, because a day after taking methylene blue, PCR gives a negative result. lol
  22. 0
    18 September 2021 14: 08
    The author reprinted a leaflet about "the commissar is lying" and so on. according to the list .. All these white-fronted goose of British scientists of independent institutes and other doctors of the world in white helmets are not worth the time spent reading their writings .. Big Pharma rules everything and everything and looks very jealously at the competitors, which our vaccines and our doctors are ..
  23. 0
    18 September 2021 20: 26
    Quote: Yarasa
    Quote: ximkim
    Deliberately.
    And the campaign has nothing to do with China,

    We have rumors here, I don’t know how much truth or falsehood, they say some kind of infection from the planes in the cities. For this, both roads and roads are washed. The question is, why wash the tracks in a pandemic? roads?

    About planes, of course, these are rumors.
    There are horror stories, conspiracies, nothing more.
    But, the fact that the virus appeared thanks to scientists, I have no doubt about it.
    hi
  24. 0
    21 September 2021 14: 11
    They found that re-infection with covid is rare. Of the 4 million cases of coronavirus infection as of May 30, 2021, only 15 possible (this is emphasized!) Re-infections of SARS-CoV-893 were detected.

    This is the Wuhan strain, but now the statistics with the delta say something completely different.