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The deputy of the Verkhovna Rada "recalled" one of the "loudest victories over Moscow in Ukrainian history"

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The well-known Oleksiy Goncharenko, who occupies the chair of the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, was glad for historical achievements of the medieval Polish army under the leadership of the "Ukrainian commander": On September 8, 1514, in the battle near Orsha, the detachments of Pan Ostrozhsky gained the upper hand, "defeating" the enemy. Deputy Goncharenko recalled an example from an old chronicle the day before, having published emotional content on his Telegram channel.


According to Goncharenko, he would like to recall "one of the loudest victories over Moscow in Ukrainian history."

Deputy Goncharenko did not mention the finale of the Russian-Lithuanian conflict, known as the "Ten Years War", and the transition of the Smolensk region from the possession of the conquered to the Russian lands. In the recording on his TG channel, he limited himself to replicating a thematic video and promising to repeat the victory over Russia together with “friends from Lithuania, Poland, the Baltic states,” and at the same time help Belarus “become free” and achieve the creation of a kind of “Baltic-Black Sea” union.

A few days before his "reminder", the parliamentarian advocated the official recognition of Ukraine as the main ally outside NATO. However, Aleksey Goncharenko's colleagues did not support the appeal to Washington, and the disappointed politician stated that Kiev had lost a unique opportunity.

According to information from open sources, Deputy Goncharenko graduated from Odessa State Medical University in his youth. And the Ukrainian parliamentarian acquired his second higher education in 2005 in Moscow, having defended his diploma, which is especially interesting, from the Academy of National Economy under the Government of the Russian Federation.
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  1. Cron
    Cron 13 September 2021 14: 47
    +29
    The notorious Alexey Goncharenko

    1. Silver bullet
      Silver bullet 13 September 2021 14: 50
      +14
      This is a personal change of a lip slaver in the Crimea! And Petrukha Parazhenko has the same with a podzhopnik from the Crimean people. As well as the Nellokhs in 2014 in the boilers.
    2. knn54
      knn54 13 September 2021 14: 58
      +9
      In 2005, Oleksiy Goncharenko was a member of the Green Party of Ukraine "Union",
      from 2005 to 2014 was a member of the Party of Regions,
      Since 2014 in the party "European Choice" Poroshenko.
      Although the gunmen shouted loudly that they would not take any members from the PR ...
      Therefore, you need to REGULARLY work out trust ..
      1. alex neym_2
        alex neym_2 13 September 2021 15: 23
        +4
        But we do not think that it is time to conduct something similar to a "peacemaker" during the war - why should these "figures" allocate so much space? This client, in my opinion, was treated by A.P. Chekhov? Or maybe his ancestors? Well, the fact that he is "Odessa" is already clear - without soap ...
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 13 September 2021 15: 53
        +1
        Quote: knn54
        Although the gunmen shouted loudly that they would not take any members from the PR ...

        And Goncharenko lustration took place in Odessa bully
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 13 September 2021 15: 11
      +5
      Quote: Cron
      The notorious Alexey Goncharenko



      would watch and watch
      1. fruc
        fruc 13 September 2021 17: 06
        +2
        Oleksiy Goncharenko, who occupies the chair of the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, was glad for the historical achievements .........

        The most important historical achievement of the outskirts is what it has become, deserved to know. crying
    4. hrych
      hrych 13 September 2021 15: 13
      +6
      Apparently since then with a history of the problem of the brain. Nothing, instead of membership in NATO and the EU, as well as billions, Zelensky was presented with the necessary book in the United States
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 13 September 2021 15: 45
        +1
        Minor traumatic brain injury

        This is how world politics is done. How to hint to your vassal competently, so that he would not be offended and understand, but there is always BUT ......................... to him this should have been given. This is a clearer hint
    5. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 13 September 2021 16: 46
      +1
      Quote: Cron
      The notorious Alexey Goncharenko

      An ordinary fagot. Disgusting personality.
      Quote: Cron
      The notorious Alexey Goncharenko

    6. Looking for
      Looking for 13 September 2021 22: 17
      -1
      little distance. oh little !!!
  2. Piramidon
    Piramidon 13 September 2021 14: 47
    +12
    under the direction of "Ukrainian commander "

    Was Ukraine on the world map in 1514?
    1. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 13 September 2021 14: 50
      +21
      Of course there was, here's the proof wassat
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 13 September 2021 15: 16
        +15
        Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
        Of course there was, here's the proof wassat

        Here is the proof:

        lol
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 September 2021 15: 01
      +9
      Quote: Piramidon
      Was Ukraine on the world map in 1514?

      Russia was, the Polish-Lithuanian union was, but nothing has been written about Ukraine.
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 13 September 2021 21: 39
        -4
        If this is the way you write, i.e. Ukraine was not, but was ON, St. Petersburg historian
        Tairova-Yakovleva states:
        “We often do not realize how much Ukraine in the middle of the 250th century differed from the Moscow state. By that time, it had already been part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania for XNUMX years, and then the Commonwealth. The political structure of these states was based on a completely different basis than in Moscow. : Lithuanian statutes, Magdeburg law, gentry democracy. The leaders of the Ukrainian hetmanate were born and raised in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, considering it their homeland, so they were brought up on its legal and even conceptual traditions. "
        Pay attention - 250 years before 1654!
        If, after all, it was not Ukraine, but ON, then how to understand its following statement:
        "Why did the Ukrainians change allies so often? They entered into relations with the Russians, then with the Crimean Tatars, then with the Swedes and periodically tried to make peace with the Poles.[b] [/ b].
        This was caused by the geopolitical position of Ukraine, which was located between three powerful neighbors - the Ottoman Empire and the Crimean Khanate vassal to it, the Commonwealth and the Moscow state. She had to constantly balance between them in order to somehow survive. "
        That is, Hetman either entered into agreements (and signed, and received ambassadors) with the Crimean khan or the Polish king, then went to them with a war. Was he the most important thing in the ON? Or was he independent?
        Or for example:
        in 1618 the registered Cossacks under the leadership of Hetman Peter Sagaidachny
        laid siege to Moscow and ravaged its environs.
        “In 1620 Sagaidachny sent an embassy to Moscow only to force the Polish king Sigismund III to make serious concessions to the Ukrainian Cossacks. It was a cunning diplomatic move on the part of the hetman.

        Further more:
        ......"The tsar and Nikon hoped to recapture Smolensk and the Belarusian lands with the Orthodox population. Military actions for Moscow were successful largely thanks to the support of the Ukrainian army of Ivan Zolotarenko. And by the summer of 1655, Russian troops captured Minsk and Vilno, but then disagreements began: the tsar was going to annex Belarus to the Moscow state on a general basis, and Khmelnitsky saw it as part of the Ukrainian hetmanship. "
        Those. being a part of the Moscow state for a year, Hetman behaved again
        as the head of a separate state.
        Now let's add 250 before 1654 and 350 after - 600 years - was Ukraine or was it not?
        And everything is simple - if there was not, then there was no conversation.
        And if today they argue, and on the forum, and historians, it means something
        Yes it was. And as in everything - the truth is not for those who claim that there was NEVER,
        and not those who say that it was when frogs croaked in the place of Moscow.
        Truth is where it is always - in the middle.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 14 September 2021 09: 40
          0
          Quote: Kushka
          Now let's add 250 before 1654 and 350 after - 600 years - was Ukraine or was it not?

          There were Polish, Ottoman, Austrian slaves, but Ukraine as a state was not and could not be, whoever would allow them.
          1. Kushka
            Kushka 14 September 2021 11: 47
            -1
            For God's sake, I’m not against it - it wasn’t, it didn’t mean it.
            It's so convenient, isn't it.
            I think there was no North Korea in 1654 either.
            And now there sits a fat guy and ballistic
            bullets into the ocean over the heads of the Japanese.
            So we will continue to tell that "was not"
            or all the same we will scratch the turnip?
            And maybe you already need to decide somehow - if "it was not",
            then Mazepa is not Ukraine (it was not there!). And who
            then who cheated with the Swedes - ON to the Tsar of Moscow?
            In 1615, the Cossacks burned down Istanbul. Don't tell them there
            ON sent (well, like the USSR Ukrainians in Afghanistan), or they were ON
            "on tsymbals" - what they wanted, they did (after three years Moscow
            burned).
            In 1645, speaking on the side of France, Sirko with his
            the Cossacks took Dunkirk and captured the Spanish squadron.
            Do not tell me, did Vienna, Moscow or Warsaw send them there?
            Well, there was no Ukraine!
            P.S "Polish, Ottoman, Austrian" - why are you "Russian"
            missed - were ashamed, or or Gogol lied everything in "Dead Souls"?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 14 September 2021 11: 56
              0
              Quote: Kushka
              I think there was no North Korea in 1654 either.
              And now there sits a fat guy and ballistic
              bullets into the ocean over the heads of the Japanese.

              Well done "fat guy", but in Ukraine there is a "little guy" and licks tuhas for everyone.
              1. Kushka
                Kushka 14 September 2021 12: 31
                -1
                With divine (northern neighbor) help. Do not remember what you bought off
                Russia, having lost the Soviet-Polish war in 1920, gave up Ukraine
                Poland (you mentioned - "Polish"). I also paid extra in gold.
                And they were German slaves, what are you missing? - in 1918 - according to Brest
                the world - if you want a German Ukraine, Russia does not mind.
                Well, in 1941 - a German was in Minsk a week later, and in Kiev in September.
                Well, go ahead - in carriages to Germany for work.
                Never mind the little guy - his number is 6.
                If something goes wrong, it will be where the 3rd, 4th and 5th. This is not Belarus.
                There the Czechs stopped their Zeman, kicked Dedugan. The president
                not the Fuhrer and not the Dalai Lama. Chosen - you will ride a bike and
                to do what you were chosen for, if you don’t do it, we’ll kick you out, or we’ll put you in jail.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 14 September 2021 13: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: Kushka
                  Do not remember what you bought off
                  Russia, having lost the Soviet-Polish war in 1920, gave up Ukraine
                  Poland (you mentioned - "Polish").

                  I will remember, and again you will remember the "mazepy" ...
                  "The German and Austro-Hungarian delegations on January 27 signed a peace treaty with delegation of the Rada, according to which - in exchange for military assistance against Soviet troops - The UPR undertook to supply Germany and Austria-Hungary with 31 million tons of grain, 1 million eggs, up to 400 thousand tons of cattle meat, as well as lard, sugar, hemp, manganese ore and other raw materials by July 50 [101]. In addition, the UPR delegation managed to achieve a secret promise to create an autonomous Austro-Hungarian region, which would include all the Ukrainian-speaking territories of Austria (but not Hungary); the disputed Kholm region was also recognized for Ukraine [102].

                  Signing of a peace treaty between the UPR and the Central Powers on January 27 (February 9) 1918
                  The signing of the Brest Peace Treaty between Ukraine and the Central Powers was a serious blow to the positions of Soviet Russia, since already on January 31 (February 13) the UPR delegation appealed to Germany and Austria-Hungary with a request for help against the Soviet troops. "

                  Look into your own eye, not into someone else's.
                  1. Kushka
                    Kushka 14 September 2021 14: 07
                    -1
                    So immediately the whole site was flooded with "NO UKRAINE!"
                    "Who let them!"
                    And once you have it, it turns out. Moreover, INTERNATIONAL
                    She signed treaties like her Hetmans in the 17th century!
                    Well, finally decide - WAS Ukraine, or NOT THERE?
                    Personally, I will tell you a secret, a supporter of Lukashenka's position
                    He stated that he did not care what was there, what was not.
                    BELARUS IS! POINT!
                    a) who remembers the old, the eye is out (wisdom)
                    b) if God wanted man to look back,
                    he would have his eyes on the back of his head made. And he them
                    placed on the forehead - HIGHER. Why do you think?
                    PS
                    "Look into your own eye, not someone else's."
                    So let's agree - you are in yours, and I am in mine.
                    Your interpretation of 1918 does not change anything in my
                    interpretation of 1920 - Russia surrendered Ukraine.
                    Both pockmarked.
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 14 September 2021 14: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: Kushka
                      Your interpretation of 1918 does not change anything in my
                      interpretation of 1920 - Russia surrendered Ukraine.

                      I don’t argue with the Ukrainians, I passed it, I passed it. You will never be convinced of anything that they have hammered into your head, then for the rest of your life. And in reality, life in Ukraine, as it is, "the West will help you."
                      1. Kushka
                        Kushka 14 September 2021 15: 26
                        -1
                        Yes, and I, as I already wrote, do not argue. And marked your
                        endurance and even tone, bravo!
                        And the realities - paradoxically, but they are the same as 400 years ago:
                        “Why did the Ukrainians change allies so often? Russians, then with the Crimean Tatars, then with the Swedes and periodically tried to make peace with the Poles [
                        "This was caused by the geopolitical position of Ukraine, which was located between three powerful neighbors - the Ottoman Empire and the Crimean Khanate, Rzeczpospolita and Muscovy, vassal to it. She had to constantly balance between them in order to somehow survive." (Tairova-Yakovleva)
                        Surprisingly, the "arena is still the same" - the Ottomans, Poles, Swedes (with the Balts),
                        well, Moscow and Kiev. Nothing has changed - so what do we want to see?
                        Is history developing in a spiral?
                      2. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 14 September 2021 17: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Kushka
                        well, Moscow and Kiev. Nothing has changed - so what do we want to see?
                        Is history developing in a spiral?


                        I honestly don't know.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 14 September 2021 12: 12
              +1
              Quote: Kushka
              And maybe you already need to decide somehow - if "it was not",
              then Mazepa is not Ukraine (it was not there!).

              Little Russia was a part of the Russian Empire and there was NO Ukraine!
    3. BABAY22
      BABAY22 13 September 2021 15: 06
      +20
      Quote: Piramidon
      Was Ukraine on the world map in 1514?


      request
  3. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 13 September 2021 14: 47
    +15
    Yes Yes)))
    Victory laughing
    1. Cron
      Cron 13 September 2021 14: 52
      +11
      It would seem, what does Ukraine have to do with it ...
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 September 2021 18: 58
      +1
      What do you expect from an ignoramus? Probably until the end of the war, it was too lazy to finish reading.
      "The common Russian-Polish-Lithuanian army, led by the Ukrainian commander Prince Konstantin Ostrozhsky, completely defeated the Moscow army near Orsha (modern Belarus)," wrote the parliamentarian, suggesting in 2024 to celebrate the 510th anniversary of this event at the interstate level.

      Goncharenko added that Ukraine will be able to defeat Russia again. The best thing, in his opinion, is to do this together with “friends from Lithuania, Poland, the Baltic states”.

      The battle of Orsha on September 8, 1514 took place during the Russian-Lithuanian war, which lasted from 1512 to 1522. During the battle, the united army of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Kingdom of Poland was commanded by the Lithuanian hetman Konstantin Ostrozhsky and the Polish hetman Janusz Sverchovsky. Russian troops were then defeated, but won the war. The strategic goal of the Polish-Lithuanian campaign, which consisted in the return of Smolensk, was not achieved, and in 1522 the Smolensk lands became part of the Russian state.

      https://iz.ru/1220912/2021-09-13/deputat-rady-goncharenko-povedal-o-pobede-ukrainy-nad-moskvoi-v-1514-godu
  4. tank66
    tank66 13 September 2021 14: 49
    +7
    It's a pity for the little one. Either the mother often dropped it as a baby, or the girls in Moscow did not give winked
    1. midivan
      midivan 13 September 2021 16: 50
      +2
      Quote: tank66
      It's a pity for the little one. Either the mother often dropped it as a baby, or the girls in Moscow did not give winked

      And do girls give, to those who give to "guys"? what
  5. marchcat
    marchcat 13 September 2021 14: 49
    +9
    graduated from Odessa State Medical University
    The doctor did not work, for that came the "beautiful" idiot.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 September 2021 15: 05
      +1
      Quote: marchcat
      The doctor failed

      He was a pharmacist, purgen piplam prescribed.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 13 September 2021 15: 48
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: marchcat
        The doctor failed

        He was a pharmacist, purgen piplam prescribed.

        He was a proctologist. I looked into the object of research (possibly in the mirror), saw a great change there and quickly scribbled one of my own in the telegram channel. wassat
    2. Silver bullet
      Silver bullet 13 September 2021 15: 07
      +9
      Chinese sages in a Shaolin monastery tell young monks that you can look at three things forever. How the fire burns, the river flows, and how Goncharenko is given a bread slicer in the Crimea! laughing
  6. prior
    prior 13 September 2021 14: 55
    +4
    Ukraine is a country where insanity develops best of all.
    And the so-called Ukrainian elite is an environment where he is progressing exponentially.
    Goncharenko is the standard of this process.
    1. Tavi
      Tavi 13 September 2021 15: 57
      0
      that's just not clear: do they think so, or are they fooling around?
      1. prior
        prior 13 September 2021 16: 04
        +1
        They are absolutely self-convinced and self-asserted in their insanity, because they consider it a reality. The diagnosis of schizophrenia, any psychologist will confirm. wink
  7. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 13 September 2021 15: 00
    +4
    It's time to introduce an additional heading on the site: "Idiocy from Ukraine", in which to place such information. Anyone interested will contact them directly. Well, for all the rest, normal, it will not distract from something really interesting.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 13 September 2021 15: 02
      +2
      Great thought! It is high time.
    2. Asad
      Asad 14 September 2021 05: 32
      -1
      I completely agree with you, discussing potential clients of psychiatric hospitals is something else, pleasure,! If the editorial board cannot do without it, then it is better to go straight to a separate heading, Dabili Krajina, whoever is interested, let them come in.
  8. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 13 September 2021 15: 01
    +3
    But after 200 years, the last nidobitki, sitting in the Canadian region, will compose how their dids fought for the Crimea and almost won.))))
  9. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 13 September 2021 15: 01
    +4
    By the way, this creature is the chosen one of the Ukrainian people.
  10. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 13 September 2021 15: 09
    0
    WHAT ARE THEY SMOKING ?!
  11. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 13 September 2021 15: 27
    +2
    Uh-uh! Stop! In 1514 Belarus defeated Russia, not Ukraine. Any Belarusian schoolchild can easily prove this to you. True, the picture painted on this occasion is for some reason exhibited in the Museum of the Polish Army in Warsaw. But not the point! ...
  12. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 13 September 2021 15: 33
    +3
    The next pig is rummaging through the years of history and trying, I don’t know, from what pump to itself "peremogi".
    The lot of a flawed person.
    Climbed back in 1514! laughing
    I didn't even find anything fresher.
    And in fact, quite recently, the thieves of theirs received drindyuli at the Lugansk airport, and in Donetsk, and near Ilovaisk, and near Izvarino, and in Debaltseve, and in Amvrosievka ...
    And also Goncharenko modestly kept silent about another great “change” when he got it on the “scoreboard” in the Crimea.
    laughing
  13. Evil 55
    Evil 55 13 September 2021 15: 34
    0
    Yes, a drug addict of some kind, what to listen to ...
  14. Fredgar Puzix Jr.
    Fredgar Puzix Jr. 13 September 2021 15: 44
    +1
    Baby lip-slap ...
  15. Irek
    Irek 13 September 2021 16: 27
    0
    Ordinary lip slap.
  16. north 2
    north 2 13 September 2021 16: 34
    +4
    Firstly, a certain Ukraine has even less relation to the Russian-Grand Duchy of the Lithuanian wars than the present-day Lithuania has to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
    Secondly, this Goncharenko does not tell how Ostrozhsky appeared for the Battle of Orsha. And the whole trouble lies in the death of Ivan III, in the mercy of Vasily III and in the temporary fuss with the Tsars in Moscow after the death of Ivan III. So, six years ago, before the battle of Orsha, the troops of Vasily III, who had just ascended the throne of Russia, defeated the army of Ostrozhsky, captured Ostrozhsky himself and dragged the prisoner to Moscow to Vasily III. There Ostrozhsky began to swear allegiance to the Russian Tsar and Russia, began kissing the cross as a sign of loyalty to the oath, the Tsar and Russia. For which the merciful Vasily the Third bestowed the title of close boyar to Ostrog. A year later, Ostrozhsky had already fled to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and began to serve Poland and Lithuania. And they spat, such as Ostrog, on the oath, the oath and kissing the cross.
    Thirdly, Ostrozhsky had a worthy student who later became hetman Eto Sagaidachny. Ostrozhsky was his teacher and educator. So if I wrote a hundred words about the essence of Ostrozhsky's meanness, then about the essence of Sagaidachny's betrayals and meanings you can write a thousand words. And about Mazepa - a whole page! Such are the heroes in Ukraine ...
    1. Byurer
      Byurer 13 September 2021 21: 59
      0
      Sagaidachny was born almost 40 years after the death of K.I. Ostrozhsky winked
  17. demo
    demo 13 September 2021 17: 16
    0
    Most of all, those who are going to sit out in the rear are in favor of the war.
  18. Borisych
    Borisych 13 September 2021 17: 49
    +2
    What a lipstick. He thinks with his lips. He's kind of dirty, he would have licked his lips, or something.
  19. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 13 September 2021 20: 40
    -1
    together with "friends from Lithuania, Poland, Baltic"

    And "Baltia", what kind of an unknown animal is that? Moreover, Lithuania is mentioned separately? fool
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  21. NSV
    NSV 13 September 2021 21: 47
    0
    Well, someone serious would say, but this is .... a creature !!!! While croaking, he is in a stream, will be silent, no one will notice !!!
  22. riwas
    riwas 14 September 2021 08: 10
    +2
    They can change the story. For example, that Ishmael was not taken by Suvorov, but by the Zaporozhye Cossacks.
    https://blotter.mirtesen.ru/blog/43360931219/Kto-zhe-vzyal-Izmayil-Soglasno-sovremennyim-ukrayinskim-istorika
    But the fact that:
    On the eve of the assault, approximately 500 Cossacks joined the Turkish garrison. They believed in the inaccessibility of the fortress and decided to support the future victor. That is, they made the same mistake that Hetman Mazepa made more than 80 years before them - they incorrectly determined the outcome of the confrontation. And they were killed during the assault along with the Turks.
    And also the Zaporozhians (in fact, not the Zaporozhians already, but the Zaporozhian Cossacks, that part of the Zaporozhye Cossacks that, after the liquidation of the Sich, went beyond the Danube and entered the service of the Sultan) participated in the suppression of the uprisings of Orthodox Serbs and Greeks by Turkish troops. By the way, not everyone knows about this either.

    https://skeptimist.livejournal.com/3713567.html
  23. geologist
    geologist 14 September 2021 09: 47
    +1
    You can't deny him personal courage. I respect courageous people who defend their principles, even if they do not coincide with mine. Unfortunately, people are more and more immersed in the past and are looking for support in the legends of deep antiquity. People with medieval thinking have become very successful - they have beautiful houses, cars and are prone to polygamy, that is, they reproduce many offspring ...
    1. bukhach
      bukhach 14 September 2021 11: 17
      +1
      As for the principles of this chela, you clearly got excited, study the biography, that with regard to the offspring, the more primitive the organism, the more viable it is, therefore the descendants of primitives prevail, haven't you noticed?
  24. yfast
    yfast 14 September 2021 14: 29
    -1
    Maybe Goncharenko himself wrote an article here? To be honest, neither opinion nor PR of this nonentity is interesting.