Thirst for renaming: the United States is changing the names of warships and military installations associated with the Confederation

Nine US Army sites and two Naval Forces ships were named after Southern Confederate troops who lost the XNUMXth century United States Civil War. Southerners then opposed the abolition of slavery and oppression of blacks, and now the United States is changing the "racist" names of warships and military installations associated with the Confederation.

To connect ordinary Americans to the renaming process, the US Department of Defense Naming Commission today created a special website, where citizens of the United States can offer their own variants of the names of ships and bases. The military intends to study the opinion of the population on this issue.

Forts Hill, Lee, Pickett, Bragg, Gordon, Benning, Hood, Rucker and Polk may change their names, according to the Military Times. Missile cruiser Naval fleet Chancellorsville and Oceanographic Research Vessel Mori will also be renamed.

A real thirst for renaming has swept the United States against the backdrop of the well-known events associated with the murder of African American George Floyd by police.

Not only the mention of the names of figures from the time of the Civil War in the United States, but even geographic names, falls under the ban today. For example, the cruiser "Chancellorsville" was named after the village in the battle near which in 1863 the southerners won. This, according to the US press, causes serious concern among the African American population.

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[Alf]

Guys from the US Department of Defense, what do you want to achieve with this? So that the southern states decide to secede once more? So they have long been "on the brink".

[Shurik70]

Quote: Alf

So that the southern states decide to secede once more?

Whites want.
And blacks like everything. They only say that the benefits are small, and the whites do not bow to them quickly enough.
And what is 300 thousand against the background of 300 million (although now, of course, more than under Obama)

[Alf]

Quote: Shurik70

And what is 300 thousand against the background of 300 million

You are right, but 300 thousand are only those who declared themselves, and who wants to, but is silent? And if you also remember how many branch organizations there are in the South ... How did it flare up when they wanted to remove General Lee?

[NDR-791]

Quote: Alf

.How did it flare up when they wanted to remove General Li?

So they took it off, they didn't take it dearly - "The statue of General Li was removed from the pedestal 8 September 2021 year. She was cut into pieces and sent to storage pending a decision on her future fate. "

[kind]

"The statue of General Li was removed from the pedestal on September 8, 2021.

All the same, they contracted the Ukrainian virus to combat the historical heritage.

[lucul]

All the same, they contracted the Ukrainian virus to combat the historical heritage.

Well, the puppeteers are alone - what is now in America, what is / in Ukraine, what we have in Perestroika)))
All on one tracing paper.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Shurik70

And what is 300 thousand against the background of 300 million

You are right, but 300 thousand are only those who declared themselves, and who wants to, but is silent? And if you also remember how many branch organizations there are in the South ... How did it flare up when they wanted to remove General Lee?

Not for nothing, even under Obama, half a million plastic coffins were purchased, apparently the mattresses are being prepared for a big boom.
https://topwar.ru/9410-zachem-amerikancam-500000-plastikovyh-grobov.html

[Cat Alexandrovich]

"Southerners then opposed the abolition of slavery and the oppression of blacks" ...
The author is clearly not in the subject. Southerners were just in favor of oppression of blacks!

[rotfuks]

and I have the same information that the southerners were defenders of slavery. Maybe the author went to school in another state?

[Cat Alexandrovich]

So the author still studied!

[Volodin]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

So the author still studied!

One thing is clear: the author of the news story studied for sure, which cannot be said unequivocally about the author of these comments.
Or have the readers already forgotten how to read separately taken? .. He himself quotes: "Southerners then performed против the abolition of slavery and the oppression of blacks. "
Oh, even a minus to put this "cat" in time)) Dirty))

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Volodin

Oh, even a minus to put this "cat" in time)) Dirty))

It's good that only on the "branch", and not in sneakers.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

"Southerners then opposed the abolition of slavery and the oppression of blacks" ...
The author is clearly not in the subject. Southerners were just performing FOR oppression blacks!

The author also wrote this. If this is not obvious to you, then let us present its text as follows: "Southerners then opposed the abolition of slavery and against cancellation oppression of blacks. "Is that clearer?

[BABAY22]

The US Department of Defense Naming Commission today created a special website where citizens of the United States can submit their variants of the names of ships and bases.

And I just have a wish for the author:
Give me a link, there is a desire to participate.

[Moonsund]

We read carefully: they spoke against the cancellation. Translated and chewed, they did not want the abolition of slavery.
That's how they read on VO today, what news, and such an interest in them.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Moonsund

That's how they read on VO today, what news, and such an interest in them.

This is an illiterate generation that does not understand Russian written language.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

This is an illiterate generation that does not understand Russian written language.

Still, the ancestors were wise, generous and witty to sayings:
Fools haven’t written the law,
if written, then not read,
if it is read, then it is not understood,
if it is understood, then it is not so,
because he is stupid.

[Volodin]

Quote: Moonsund

... what news, so much interest in them.

Look, an interesting translation of the arrows. It turns out that this is "news of the wrong interest" ... And what should be the news so that individual readers at least understand their meaning? .. With pictures from the ABC or in the form of comics?

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Volodin

With pictures from the ABC or in the form of comics?

Pictures will not be superfluous for local murzilians.

[paul3390]

By and large, the fate of blacks was not very interested in both sides. The reasons for the war were by no means slavery ..

[Roma 1977]

Not certainly in that way. Negro problems worried both sides least of all. The whole question was that the southerners wanted to sell their cotton to Great Britain and France, while the northerners wanted to process it themselves, buying it in the south at domestic prices. The decision to ban slavery matured in Lincoln during the war itself, like another hairpin in the soft spot for the southerners. After the abolition of slavery, blacks still continued to work on the plantations, but already as seasonal workers, whom the planters did not need to feed at their own expense throughout the year. The market settled, and Negro ghettos from "superfluous" people began to grow in northern cities.

[Alf]

Quote: Roma-1977

The whole question was that the southerners wanted to sell their cotton to Great Britain and France, while the northerners wanted to process it themselves, buying it in the south at domestic prices.

And in the fact that there was no industry in the South, they bought everything in the North with wild margins.

[carstorm 11]

And if you read it carefully?) They were against the abolition of slavery))))

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

"Southerners then opposed the abolition of slavery and the oppression of blacks" ...
The author is clearly not in the subject. Southerners were just in favor of oppression of blacks!

Us history lesson
April 12, 1861 the beginning of the American Civil War
December 30, 1862 A. Lincoln signs "The Emancipation Proclamation"

[Roma 1977]

The jesters are pea. "This ... is of great concern to the African American population." The African American population, due to illiteracy, does not know any stories about Chancellorsville, does not know the entire background of the Civil War in the United States, does not remember the names of the Confederate commanders, etc. These are just worried Red Guards feverishly looking for "traces of oppression of minorities", even where they are not there and shout loudly about their successes in this search. They would go to work. Something like our "overthrowers" and "decommunisers" are reminiscent.

[knn54]

-Roma-1977: African American population does not know any stories due to illiteracy
Why ?:, ONE is definitely the US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.

[Alf]

Quote: knn54

-Roma-1977: African American population does not know any stories due to illiteracy
Why ?:, ONE is definitely the US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.

Yes, and the first and, I hope, the only one, too, did not leave the minister much.

[Roma 1977]

By the way, it's a mess. Why are Negroes called European oppressive names and surnames? The Minister of Defense should bear the name Mumba Yumba and wear a nose ring, as is customary for a military leader.

[krops777]

"This ... is of great concern to the African American population." The African American population, due to their illiteracy, does not know any stories about Chancellorsville, does not know the entire background of the Civil War in the United States, does not remember the names of the commanders of the Confederation, etc.

Why not among the Negro population? Afraid of being politically incorrect? With these windows, Overton will soon be asked by the LGBT to name and rename the ships. And why should blacks in America know such a story that whites have rewritten for themselves. I understand that amers have nothing to be proud of, so they rewrite history as they want, and again for themselves.

[Alf]

Quote: krops777

lgbt will ask them to name something and rename ships.

Jane will love to republish reference books.

[ABC-schutze]

Parallels with "ours" can be drawn, but somewhat different

To begin with, I would like to note that the growing split in the environment of the overseas "melting pot" components is very good. Both for Russia and for me personally ...

For it permanently weakens the main geopolitical adversary of Russia (the Aglo-Saxons), in whatever hypostasis Russia appears to the world. Even in the monarchical, even in the form of the Red Empire.

Overseas Anlo-Saxons, with any change of the "ruling" sign on the facade of their regime ("elephants" or "donkeys"), Russia is unambiguously hostile. And their main goal - the weakening and destruction of Russia, as a single and self-sufficient geopolitical competitor, remains unchanged.

Their tactics and rhetoric can change, but their goals never ...

Now, to the parallels with the miscarriages of "perestroika" - the "denunciators" of a certain "Soviet totalitarianism" ...

The fact is that in the observed, regular, mass madness (already on the basis of "tolerance" and "politic correctness" to the once "offended") in the City on the Hill, there is at least some, albeit formal, but historical logic ...

There, in the attack, the degradation of bourgeois democracy (once dynamic and impudent) to the format of impotent "tolerance" and "politic correctness", they dismantle and demolish monuments and monuments to the real losers.

On the territory of the USSR and in Russia, in particular, they "struggle" with memory, and try to demolish, namely, monuments and monuments to the victors. That there is already conceptual insanity in its classical form, "sanctified" by impotent "perestroika" ...

After all, the same V.I.Lenin, from whatever side you look, is a winner - a successful founder of a state of a NEW social type.

And the same I.V. Stalin, there is a winner - a successful defender and builder of this state ...

But the monuments, boring and boring, for more than a dozen years, on the territory of the USSR and present-day Russia, the descendants of the losers and opportunistically "rebuilt", are trying to demolish them.

Than, deliberately disfigure the mass consciousness and objective historical perception of events, processes and phenomena of Russian history ...

Although no one of the Soviet power and Soviet ideology, nowhere and has never "won". They were simply, banally betrayed by the ruling elite. Which, as it is perfectly clear, does not guarantee the "irreversibility of the process" ...

[Alf]

Quote: ABC-schütze

Which, as it is perfectly clear, does not guarantee the "irreversibility of the process" ...

Herr Holt! Zehr gut! Danke.

[rotfuks]

the African American population shows serious concern only in terms of renaming and demolition of monuments. There was no African American population to be seen among the defenders of American values ​​in Afghanistan. The African American population is very much like the population of one non-brotherly state.

[Alf]

Quote: rotfuks

There was no African American population to be seen among the defenders of American values ​​in Afghanistan.

That's right, they can kill in the same place. And the local Basmachi do not bother with the problems of the value of the life of blacks due to illiteracy and ignorance of political correctness.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

A m. to advise them to simply rename the very concept of the South? Just what?

[Alf]

Dear Cat, how is it, your mother, I apologize, to understand?

[Alf]

Quote: Alf

Dear Cat, how is it, your mother, I apologize, to understand?

Cat, I beg your pardon!

[Kushka]

A hare is walking through the forest, whistling. He hears, sniffles somewhere.
Approaches - the lion fell into the hole - Oblique, the lion growled - well
one leg here .... and so that everyone and everyone is here! I give you five minutes!
The hare on the machine jerked! And after 10 meters and slowed down.
And who hit me on the head five times a day, called me names
anything ... I returned to the pit and let the lion make faces, show the figs.
Dispersed, run away, not- returned again, let's show the ass.
And then he stumbled and rolled head over heels into the pit - Lyovochka, the bastard will-
came to apologize!

[Saladine]

Alternorth)))

[den3080]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

A m. to advise them to simply rename the very concept of the South? Just what?

Well, how into what ?! You are just not in trend somehow ...
TO THE NORTH, of course.
Then the southerners will become northerners with all the consequences, as they say ...

I am concerned about one question: Is this American madhouse running this American madhouse, or has it already gone haywire by itself?
There is an idea that this someone tried out variants of the "madhouse" during the color revolutions and held a dress rehearsal on the territory of 404.
And now it is gradually getting out of control.

Well, in about the same way as the Americans created al-Qaeda to fight the USSR in Afghanistan, and then in the Caucasus. Then ISIS was created.
And recently they fled, losing their pants, from Afghanistan and will soon flee from Iraq ...
and now they are trying to negotiate with their own creatures, who have ceased to obey, telling everyone else that now it is a common responsibility ... dodgers / thimblers ...

And someone else believes them, these shameless "warriors of light"

[Alf]

Quote: den3080

There is an idea that this someone tried out variants of the "madhouse" during the color revolutions and held a dress rehearsal on the territory of 404.

In the United States, experts on color revolutions due to quarantine took work at home ...

[spech]

as an option - Antisever.

[vitvit123]

Northern Ukraine seems to me more suitable .. or Southern Ukraine, let their extreme choose

[HAM]

And what!!? I like it, Ukraine started with the same ........ continue, more actively, more actively ..... "Pilosi --- in the trash can !!"

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

not only did Ukraine begin with this - it was precisely with this that the disintegration of the USSR began: with a wave of renaming, "rethinking" of its history, with mockery of the shrines about which yesterday they spoke with reverent breath, with the pogrom of monuments to heroes who began to be called "executioners" and " murderers "and so on. etc.
so the usa is confidently following the path of the ussr ...

[Alf]

Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)

so the usa is confidently following the path of the ussr ...

It would be nice to nudge them so that they can step up the pace ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)

+2
not only did Ukraine start from this - it was from this that the disintegration of the USSR began: with a wave of renaming, "rethinking" of its history

History does not forgive when it is treated in a barbaric way.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: HAM

And what!!? I like it, Ukraine started with the same ........ continue, more actively, more actively ..... "Pilosi --- in the trash can !!"

Correctly noticed, it's time for African Americans in the States, "lustration" with garbage cans to arrange all dissent.

[rocket757]

Thirst for renaming: the United States is changing the names of warships and military installations associated with the Confederation

Somehow this is all ... familiar.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

Somehow this is all ... familiar.

Something familiar in childhood, in the early 60s, was already happening.

[rocket757]

It used to happen too ...
Usually, this was preceded by epoch-making events, even if of local significance ... to imagine that BLM like that, at least you have to be a resident there.

[Saladine]

Floydville, cocainoville, wiggerville

[Roma 1977]

Youmazafakavill.

[Saladine]

Wassapvill

[Xlor]

in the United States change the names of warships and military installations associated with the Confederation

In some way they resemble the descendants of the modern Sumerians. They also rename and decommunize everything ... All that remains is to "devashtonize", to demolish all the monuments to the founding fathers and switch from Latin to Cyrillic ...
Well, ride in front of the White House!

[Alf]

Quote: Xlor

Well, ride in front of the White House!

Well, they recently jumped, even jumped into the White House.
True, then the NSA overfished them by the piece ..

[Roma 1977]

Those who were against renaming jumped into the White House. That's why the NSA caught them.

[Alf]

Quote: Roma-1977

Those who were against renaming jumped into the White House. That's why the NSA caught them.

Yes, but the fact itself ... And by the way, where were the guards looking?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Xlor

Somehow they resemble the descendants of modern Sumerians.

The teachers are the same, there is nothing to be surprised at.

[Evil troll]

Continue to spit on your history, gentlemen Americans. We have already eaten from this bitter fruit, now it's time for you.

[Retvizan 8]

All these "dancing with a tambourine" about the rights and freedoms of LGBT people, gay marriage and the oppression of black people are nothing more than a "smoke screen" and a distraction of Americans from those dark deeds that the American political elites are doing.
Better to let the layman think day and night about his guilt before blacks or about the fact that homosexual perverts should have the same rights in society with normal people, than poke his nose into how the elections were falsified, how the Clinton-Biden clans and the like have usurped power. why America occupied half of the world, etc.

[Alf]

Quote: Retvizan 8

Better to let the layman think day and night about his guilt before blacks or about the fact that homosexual perverts should have the same rights in society with normal people, than poke his nose into how the elections were falsified, how the Clinton-Biden clans and the like have usurped power. why America occupied half of the world, etc.

First sensible comment. Vivat!

[Lech from Android.]

Both whites and blacks in the United States have gone astray on the basis of history.
Now I climbed on YouTube and looked at how white-skinned people are kneeling in front of blacks and begging for forgiveness ... as if they themselves were slave traders, and the local blacks are slaves ... a madhouse in the USA has come.

[paul3390]

Especially when you consider that blacks were sold into slavery by their own black leaders and tribesmen .. White ones were just buying.

[Alf]

Quote: paul3390

Especially when you consider that blacks were sold into slavery by their own black leaders and tribesmen .. White ones were just buying.

We can add a second episode, recalling that WHITE slaves were also normal in the United States. I wonder who will kiss the heels of whom then?

[Lynx2000]

in the United States change the names of warships and military installations associated with the Confederation

I think that Russia should not care deeply about this "action". Because the Chancellorsville missile cruiser will be renamed, for example, George Floyd, it will not cease to be a combat target for the Russian Navy or the Russian Aerospace Forces ...

[paul3390]

Because the missile cruiser Chancellorsville will be renamed, for example, George Floyd

Well, I don’t know .. So what would you prefer to serve, on "Joseph Stalin" or, say, on "Yegor Gaidar"? Or is there "Boris Yeltsin"? What do you call the yacht ...

But in general, the admission of women and persons of alternative sexual orientation to the crew will have a greater effect. Can you imagine being in such a company on a long hike? Women, of course, it can do nothing, but they will ruin the ship!

[lucul]

But in general, the admission of women and persons of alternative sexual orientation to the crew will certainly have a greater effect.
Can you imagine being in such a company on a long hike? Women, of course, it may not be anything, but they will ruin the ship!

Recently I read that in Russia the captain of the icebreaker is a woman)))

[your1970]

Quote: Lynx2000

it will not cease to be a combat target for the Russian Navy or the Russian Aerospace Forces ...

This is how it will fall ...
And then suddenly they have - perestroika, MSG, "deepen" and so on ????
So not a fact, oh not a fact

[Alf]

Quote: Lynx2000

Because the Chancellorsville missile cruiser will be renamed, for example, George Floyd, it will not cease to be a combat target for the Russian Navy or the Russian Aerospace Forces ...

BLM activists will sue Russia in the High Court of London. The claim is that WHITE Russians want to destroy a ship named after BLACK.

[aszzz888]

A real thirst for renaming has swept the United States against the backdrop of the well-known events associated with the murder of African American George Floyd by police.

In unnecessary, they took over the experience from Merikatosia (or Merikatos from Svidomo? ) They have an Era of Changes, in the sense that everything is renamed. There is a popular saying that is very appropriate on this topic: When the cat has nothing to do, and so on!

[Alf]

Quote: aszzz888

There is a very suitable folk saying on this topic: When the cat has nothing to do, and so on!

No, just to the noise about the rights of all persons with an alternative arrangement of brains, the world system is being scrapped. And the abnormal, finding out who has more rights, from zoophiles, drug addicts or the middle sex, do not see this.

[yfast]

You can't erase words from a song. You can still ban the concept of "white".

[Alf]

Quote: yfast

You can still ban the concept of "white".

This is the next step. The concept of North American will be introduced.

[Brturin]

Quote: yfast

You can still ban the concept of "white".

Why forbid ... maybe yourself ...

For the first time in US history, the white population has declined in absolute terms - there are simply fewer whites. And 23 million population growth (331 million inhabitants now live in the United States) was achieved due to those who identify themselves as Hispanics (plus 23% to the previous number), Asians (plus 36%), blacks (plus 5,6% to the previous number). ), as well as people with representatives of two or more races in their ancestors (plus 127% to the number of such persons recorded in the previous census). Nonetheless, whites of European descent remain the largest population group, although the decline in their hegemony is undeniable. They now make up 57,8% of the country's population, which is a milestone: before, the proportion of whites has never dropped below 60%. Ten years ago, they were 64%, and in 2000 - 69%. https://inosmi.ru/social/20210820/250343799.html

[Alf]

Quote: yfast

You can still ban the concept of "white".

How do you like that?

[APASUS]

Aircraft carrier named after George Floyd, but sounds like! The ship is named after a drug addict, a thief and a counterfeiter. Americans have good modern heroes !!

[Alf]

Quote: APASUS

Aircraft carrier named after George Floyd, but sounds like! The ship is named after a drug addict, a thief and a counterfeiter. Americans have good modern heroes !!

What country, such are the heroes .. But actually, America began that way. The Gangs of New York movie shows this well.

[tihonmarine]

Navy missile cruiser Chancellorsville and oceanographic research vessel Mori will also be renamed.

The cruiser will be called "Barack Obama", oceanographer "Michelle Obama".

[Zomanus]

Fine. The main thing is not to stop.

[Ros 56]

What an interesting life people live, it would be better if the streets were swept up instead, otherwise I watched Sheinin's video yesterday, even if it is 10-15% true, I don’t understand what these utyrk are proud of, except that they didn’t pile a bunch on the threshold of the White House ...

[Sands Careers General]

There were also slaves in the north. Hired. And white slavery. It's even worse than a black man on the plantations.

[Serg65]

The military intends to study the opinion of the population on this issue.

Oh, and why such torment?
Give the cruiser a tolerant neutral name "Kirov", and the hydrograph "Memory of Mercury" .... and everyone will be happy!

[nonsense]

reasonably ... Kirov supported all kinds of blacks and empathized with their problems!

[nonsense]

Negroes simply do not know that their descendants fought not only on the side of the northerners but also of the southerners! Although most of them do not know who the northerners / southerners are ...

[sen]

in the United States change the names of warships and military installations associated with the Confederation

It was she who got infected from Ukraine. Soon it will be completely like her.

[Borisych]

Patchwork quilt. The borders of each state are ephemeral, and what if someone wants to chop off a little from someone? It's simple, first names, national heroes, then territories. The Ukrainian way, tried and tested. Biden will sleep a little, and everything will go as if on a knurled one.

[Suraikin.Aleksandr]

Seriously, monuments to the Confederates in the southern states have always been erected at the initiative of local authorities without any approval from the US federal government.
The US federal government, long before the BLM movement, used every opportunity to dismantle CSA-related symbols and monuments.
And now it's just a good moment!

In addition, in the states that were once part of the CSA, as a percentage of the total population of the state, there is less Johnny (descendants of white Americans from CSA), there is an active migration of the population from the north to the south of the United States.

Naturally, the attitude of the population in the former states of the CSA to the leaders of the confederation is changing, separatist sentiments are becoming less.

[Alf]

Quote: Suraikin.Aleksandr

Naturally, the attitude of the population in the former states of the CSA to the leaders of the confederation is changing, separatist sentiments are becoming less.

In the late 80s, an interesting book came across in the library. The author is our journalist, traveled all over America on the topic of life there. And he gives an interesting fact - in the southern states, for mentioning the name of Sherman, if he is not preceded by harsh abuse, you can get in the face.
And another important point. In Hollywood movies, the bars where the bad guys get together ALWAYS have the Confederate flag on the wall. This is done so that the viewer subconsciously associates the Confederation with evil. And from this we can conclude that until now in the United States, firstly, sympathy for the South has not been eliminated, and, secondly, the image of a southerner enemy is being created.

[alch3mist]

Why does no one say that a name change is generally unacceptable - neither for people, nor for ships. Whatever was given at birth or when it was launched, carry it, for it is KARMA. And jokes about that can get expensive. And people do not understand this: they give children double names, ships are named after cities, real persons ...