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Russian military presence in the Kuril Islands

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Russian military presence in the Kuril Islands

Due to the fact that Japan does not stop challenging the results of World War II and makes claims to the southern part of the Kuril ridge - the Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan islands and the Habomai group, our country is forced to spend a lot of money on their defense.


Russia is vitally interested in maintaining its position in the North Pacific. Due to the fact that the Kuriles are under our jurisdiction, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is an internal sea of ​​Russia, which ensures control over the production of marine biological resources and the unhindered exit of warships and submarines into the ocean.

Defense of Iturup and Kunashir Islands during Soviet times


After the liberation of the Kuril Islands from Japanese troops, units of the 355th rifle division were deployed on Iturup: three rifle regiments, an artillery regiment and auxiliary units. Due to difficult weather and living conditions, as well as difficulties with supply, in 1960, all land units were withdrawn from Iturup. After that, only border guards, radio engineering units and a fighter aviation regiment remained here.

One of the most important military facilities of Iturup Island during the Soviet era was the Burevestnik airfield, which began to be actively exploited in October 1945. At this military airfield, a fighter aviation regiment, armed with a Yak-9U, and a bomber aviation regiment on the Pe-2 were based.

Severe weather conditions, strong winds, frequent cold weather, fogs and snowstorms created more problems when operating aircraft on the island. Piston fighters and bombers, created in wartime and having a low operational resource, turned out to be poorly adapted to the conditions of the local climate.

In 1946, the fighter regiment was re-equipped with American-made P-63 Kingcobra fighters received under Lend-Lease, and the bombers were withdrawn from Iturup. In 1952, the fighter aviation regiment switched to jet MiG-15bis. In the first half of the 1960s, a new airfield was built on Iturup near the Vetrovoe settlement, intended for the temporary basing of Tu-16R long-range reconnaissance aircraft and Tu-16K naval missile carriers. At the same time, two radar companies were deployed in the vicinity of the village of Goryachy Klyuchi.


Fighter MiG-17F at the Burevestnik airfield

In the late 1950s, the 308th IAP switched from the MiG-15bis to the MiG-17F. In 1968, fighters from the 308th Aviation Regiment forced the American jet airliner Douglas DC-8 to land, which had invaded Soviet airspace.


A shot of the MiG-17F fighter taken from the DC-8

On board the plane were American Marines who were heading to Vietnam. After spending two days on the territory of the Burevestnik airfield, the passenger Douglas was released with all the passengers.


For a fairly long period of time, the simple and unpretentious MiG-17F of the 308th IAP were real workhorses providing Iturup air defense and aviation support for the ground units stationed here.


MiG-17F over Tyatya volcano

In 1979, a devastating typhoon destroyed much of the Petrel's infrastructure. Most of the fighters available at the airfield were seriously damaged or destroyed, there were also casualties among the military personnel.

In 1981, a new runway was built, airfield facilities were restored, and supersonic MiG-308SM fighters entered service with the 21th Aviation Regiment.

After the incident with the South Korean Boeing 747, which invaded Soviet airspace and was shot down 37 kilometers south-west of Sakhalin, the Americans undertook a series of provocations. F-14A carrier-based fighters repeatedly flew over Iturup and even imitated attacks from ground targets. Since the MiG-21SM fighter had a low potential as an interceptor, the 308th IAP flew to the Sokol airfield on Sakhalin. In 1983, the 308th regiment was transferred to the Postovaya airfield, located not far from Sovetskaya Gavan.

Instead of the 308th air regiment, the 41st IAP was transferred to the Burevestnik from the Postovaya airfield, the pilots of which flew the MiG-23ML. Compared to the MiG-21SM, the MiG-23ML fighter with variable wing geometry had much higher acceleration characteristics, was equipped with a very perfect avionics for that time and carried medium-range missiles with thermal and semi-active radar guidance.


Fighter MiG-23ML on the runway of the Burevestnik airfield

In Soviet times, a number of radar posts were deployed on the islands of the Kuril ridge.

At the time of the collapse of the USSR, radar posts with P-37, P-12, P-18 and P-19 radars were operating on the Iturup and Kunashir islands. Some stations, installed on natural heights, were covered with radio-transparent domes, protecting from adverse meteorological factors.

A separate radar company was deployed on the island of Matua, armed with a P-14 standby radar and a PRV-11 radio altimeter. There is information that in 1990 they tried to deploy the 22Zh6M radar complex here and managed to deliver part of the equipment to the island. However, the collapse of the USSR buried these plans.

The air defense of radar posts, service and residential premises located nearby was provided by 37-mm anti-aircraft guns, paired and quadruple 14,5-mm anti-aircraft guns ZPU-4 and ZPU-2, 12,7-mm machine guns DShK and MANPADS " Strela-2M ".

In the late 1970s, due to the growth of the combat capabilities of the Japan Self-Defense Forces and the aggravation of the international situation, the Soviet leadership decided to strengthen the defense of the southern Kuril Islands.

In May 1978, at the ground forces training center located near the village of Knyaze-Volkonskoye, near Khabarovsk, the 18th machine-gun and artillery division was formed, designed to defend the Iturup and Kunashir islands.

During the Cold War, 8 PulADs were created in the Far East, which were mainly reassigned for actions on the defensive, relying on fortified areas. Long-term defensive structures were erected on the border with China, as well as on the islands of Kunashir and Iturup.

Initially, in the antiamphibious defense of the Kuril Islands, not the newest models of equipment and weapons were mainly used, such as 76-mm ZiS-3 guns, 100-mm BS-3 field guns, 120-mm PM-38 mortars, 122-mm howitzers M- 30, 130 mm M-46 guns, heavy Tanks IS-2 and IS-3.


Heavy tank IS-2, abandoned on Iturup

As of 1990, the 18th PulAD consisted of the following parts:

- 484th machine gun and artillery regiment (Yuzhno-Kurilsk);
- 605th machine-gun and artillery regiment (v. Goryachy Klyuchi);
- 1527th separate machine-gun and artillery battalion (item Krabozavodskoe);
- 110th separate tank battalion (Goryachy Klyuchi village);
- 209th separate anti-aircraft missile and artillery battalion (v. Goryachy Klyuchi);
- 911th separate battalion of material support (v. Goryachy Klyuchi);
- 584th separate repair and restoration battalion (v. Goryachy Klyuchi);
- 614th separate engineer battalion (Goryachy Klyuchi village);
- 1114th separate communications battalion (Goryachy Klyuchi village);
- 308th separate medical battalion (Yuzhno-Kurilsk);
- a separate repair company (v. Goryachi Klyuchi);
- a separate company of chemical protection (v. Goryachy Klyuchi);
- military counterintelligence department (v. Goryachy Klyuchi).

The machine gun and artillery regiment consisted of separate battalions with their own individual combined arms number. Each machine-gun and artillery battalion consisted of 2 companies of tank firing points (10 heavy tanks IS-2 or IS-3 in each) and 6 artillery platoons of tank towers - each with 6 towers of T-54 tanks installed on a concrete base.


At the time of the collapse of the USSR, the machine-gun and artillery regiment included: a tank company (10 T-55 tanks), an artillery division (2 batteries of 152-mm "Hyacinth-B" guns), a MLRS battery "Grad-1", an anti-tank battery 100- mm guns BS-3, anti-aircraft missile and artillery battalion (battery ZSU-23-4 and battery "Strela-10"), as well as 3 separate companies: reconnaissance, communications, repair and chemical protection platoon.

This composition of weapons formally remained until about 2010, but by that time almost all tank turrets installed on concrete bases and heavy IS-3 tanks were inoperative.


The radical rearmament of the military units that survived on Iturup and Kunashir began relatively recently.


Apparently, the 18th PulAD was the last division in the Russian armed forces to operate T-55 tanks. The division headquarters was located in the village of Goryachy Klyuchi. Border protection was provided by border units, they had armed patrol boats, cross-country vehicles and tracked all-terrain vehicles.

A number of sources say that engines were dismantled on heavy tanks IS-2 and IS-3, delivered to the Kuril Islands. But this is not the case. In a conversation with a local resident, who served as an urgent in 1983-1984 and later stayed on Iturup, it was possible to find out that the IS-3 tanks in his company were on the move.


After receiving the order, heavy tanks were to move to prepared positions on the coast. As the tank engines went out of order, the ISs turned into fixed firing points.


Heavy tank IS-3 on a pedestal in Kurilsk

Climatic conditions, terrain and dense vegetation led to the fact that in the combat units stationed in Iturup and Kunashir, mainly tracked vehicles were used.


Until now, one of the most common military vehicles in the Kuril Islands is the MT-LB multipurpose light armored transporter-tractor.


MT-LB on a pedestal in Yuzhno-Kurilsk

This tracked vehicle weighing about 10 tons was originally armed with a 7,62-mm PKT machine gun and can tow various artillery systems, deliver a variety of cargo and carry an armed assault force of 10 people.

Also in the past, on the Kuril Islands, the military widely used tracked transporters-tractors GT-T and light multipurpose armored tractors GT-MU, capable of transporting people and goods in off-road conditions, snow drifts, on highly rugged terrain with deep water obstacles and shallow vegetation. ...


Light armored tractor GT-MU in a sanitary version on a pedestal in Yuzhno-Kurilsk

Defense of the Kuril Islands after the collapse of the USSR


After the collapse of the USSR, the defense of the Kuril Islands began to rapidly degrade. This primarily affected fighter aircraft and radio-technical troops.

In the second half of the 1990s, all radar stations operating in the Kuril Islands, with the exception of several P-18 radars in the vicinity of the Burevestnik airfield, were decommissioned, and the infrastructure built for them was abandoned and partially looted.


The anti-aircraft machine guns covering the radar posts and the most valuable equipment were removed from the islands, and the 37-mm anti-aircraft guns installed on the shore became monuments of a bygone era.


In 1994, the 41st Aviation Regiment was disbanded, the serviceable aircraft flew to Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where, after several years of storage without protection in the open air, they became completely unusable and were disposed of. The same fate befell the 308th Aviation Regiment, which had been rearmed by that time on the MiG-23MLD (Postovaya airfield).


Only the aviation commandant's office, several Mi-8 helicopters and an aviation cemetery remained on the Burevestnik. Currently, the runway is in need of repair, and the airfield infrastructure needs to be restored.

Passengers arriving at Iturup can see 3 Su-30SM fighters in the parking lot at the Yasny airport.


Su-30SM fighters in the parking lot of the Yasny airfield

Two-seater combat aircraft are open. There are no shelters and hangars for servicing the fighters here.

The Yasny airport, located near the Bogdana Khmelnitsky volcano, was commissioned in June 2017. Currently, due to the unsatisfactory state of the runway of the military airfield "Burevestnik", the airport "Yasny" is jointly used by civilian and military departments.


Su-35S fighters in the parking lot of the Yasny airfield in 2018

The first combat aircraft landed at Yasnoye in August 2018. According to information published in open sources, these were three Su-35S fighters from the 23rd IAP, which flew from the Dzemgi airfield (Komsomolsk-on-Amur).

The two-seat Su-30SM fighters currently deployed on Iturup most likely belong to the 120th Guards Separate Mixed Aviation Regiment, based at the Domna airbase in Transbaikalia. This regiment is armed with Su-30SM fighters and Su-25 attack aircraft.

Su-30SM two-seat fighters are better suited for long flights over the sea and have a greater strike potential when used against ground and surface targets.

The deployment of Russian fighters on Iturup sparked protests in Tokyo.

In fairness, it should be said that the temporary basing on a rotational basis of three combat aircraft at the Yasny civil airport is, rather, a political step and signals to the Japanese leadership that the Russian position on the South Kuriles is unshakable. For a real air cover for the Russian military group in this area, it is necessary to restore the Burevestnik airfield and deploy a full-fledged fighter regiment there.

On the islands, it is required to immediately restore the network of radar posts, without which it is impossible to timely record and prevent the entry of foreign aircraft into our airspace and control the actions of our military aviation.

The reforms of the armed forces, carried out in the 1990s and 2000s, rolled like a heavy roller through the units of the 18th machine-gun and artillery division deployed in Iturup and Kunashir. The equipment left over from the reduced military units was abandoned where the moment of disbandment found it. Many settlements were depopulated, and the buildings left by the military were gradually destroyed.

As a result of underfunding and a series of reductions, the current strength of the 18th PulAD almost reaches 4, which is closer to the brigade value, but not divisional.


Loading the T-55 tank onto the ship

Changes for the better began in 2010, when the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense finally took care of strengthening the defense of the South Kuriles. By 2011, all obsolete T-55 tanks were removed and replaced with T-72Bs.


Currently, T-72B tanks are part of the tank battalions of the 46th machine-gun and artillery regiment (Lagunnoye settlement on Kunashir Island) and the 49th machine-gun and artillery regiment (Goryachy Klyuchi settlement on Iturup Island). In the village of Goryachy Klyuchi, the division's command and control bodies are also located.


Tank T-72B on the island of Kunashir

Each machine-gun and artillery regiment has two battalions serving long-term field fortifications, one motorized rifle battalion, and one tank battalion.


Modernized MT-LB on the Kurilsk - Goryachy Klyuchi road

Based on personal observations, I can note that the main means of movement of motorized infantry on the island of Iturup is the modernized MT-LB, on which turrets with 7,62 mm machine guns are replaced by large-caliber 12,7 mm machine guns.


BTR-80 on the island of Kunashir

However, on the island of Kunashir, where the quality and length of roads are greater, the 46th PulAP has a number of wheeled BTR-80s.

For transportation of various cargoes, wheeled vehicles and weapons over very rough terrain and through water obstacles on the island of Kunashir, PTS-2 tracked floating transporters are used.


Transporter PTS-2 on Kunashir Island

The transporter has a high cross-country ability, a large buoyancy reserve and can be used in sea conditions with sea waves up to three points.


152-mm self-propelled gun "Hyacinth" on the island of Kunashir

Each island regiment is optimized for defensive actions, has a sufficiently high firepower and can fight autonomously for some time.


MLRS "Grad-1" on the island of Kunashir

Artillery battalions of 152-mm self-propelled howitzers "Hyacinth", multiple launch rocket systems "Grad-1" (a light version of the BM-21 on the ZIL-131 chassis) and "Uragan" should provide fire support to the troops defending the islands.


MLRS "Uragan" on the island of Kunashir

In addition to heavy artillery systems, the troops have 82 and 120-mm mortars, which are of great value in highly rugged terrain and can destroy the enemy on the return slopes of hills and in ravines.


120mm mortar on Kunashir Island

For reconnaissance of targets and adjustment of artillery fire, the UAV "Orlan-10" is used. Thanks to drones, artillery can hit targets with guided munitions with high accuracy.

Until recently, the regiments covered the combined divisions of the Strela-10 and ZSU-23-4 Shilka anti-aircraft systems from air attack weapons. To transport the calculations of Igla MANPADS, MT-LB were used. Also in service with anti-aircraft units there is a number of towed artillery mounts ZU-23.


Several years ago, the obsolete Strela-10 air defense systems were replaced by the Tor-M1-2U multichannel complexes. This air defense system is capable of firing at four targets simultaneously, with two missiles aiming at each.


Military equipment on the island of Iturup

At the end of 2020, information was published that an S-300V4 anti-aircraft missile division was delivered to Iturup Island. This anti-aircraft system belongs to the 38th Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade, with a permanent deployment in the village of Ptichnik, near Birobidzhan.

How the S-300V4 air defense system was delivered to the island and how long it will stay here is unknown.

The publicly available satellite images show that in the vicinity of the village of Lagunnoye on Kunashir and not far from the Burevestnik airfield on Iturup, capital, well-equipped positions have been built, where long-range anti-aircraft missile systems can be permanently deployed.


Satellite image of Google Earth: the position of the air defense missile system in the vicinity of the village of Lagunnoye

The choice of the S-300V4 air defense system as a long-range air defense system of the grouping deployed on Iturup is ambiguous.

Compared to the S-400 air defense system, the S-300V4 self-propelled chassis have better cross-country ability. But with a comparable firing range at aerodynamic targets, the military anti-aircraft system is significantly inferior to the S-400 in terms of fire performance. It can be assumed that the deployment of one S-300V4 division on Iturup is a temporary solution. So, a few years ago, the S-300V air defense missile system was deployed on Sakhalin, near the Khomutovo airfield. Now in this place the S-300PM air defense missile system is on alert.

The most optimal solution to ensure a stable air defense of Iturup and Kunashir would be to deploy a full-fledged anti-aircraft missile brigade here, equipped with the latest modifications of the Buk anti-aircraft missile system. Unfortunately, the information about the transfer of the Buk-M1 / M2 air defense missile system to the Kuril Islands is unreliable.


Self-propelled ballistic missile launcher "Ball" on the island of Kunashir

In 2018, a number of domestic media published information that the battalion of the BRK "Bastion" was on combat duty on Iturup, and the BRK "Bal" on Kunashir. In the future, anti-ship missile systems are supposed to be deployed on the islands of Paramushir and Matua.


Transport and launch containers with Kh-35 anti-ship missiles

It is reported that the BRK "Bastion" and the BRK "Bal" belong to the 72nd separate coastal missile brigade, stationed in the village of Smolyaninovo in the Primorsky Territory. I would like to believe that, as in the case of the S-300V4 air defense system, the deployment of anti-ship missile systems on the Kuril Islands is not temporary.


At the fork in the Kurilsk-Goryachy Klyuchi roads, on the site of the former VAI post, an exposition dedicated to the 18th PulAD was installed. It consists of the IS-2 and IS-3 tanks, as well as the MT-LB light armored multipurpose towing vehicle and the GT-T tracked towing vehicle.

Conclusion


Thus, the main force capable of defending the islands of Iturup and Kunashir is still the 46th and 49th PulAD, permanently stationed in the Kuril Islands. In fact, separate divisions of the S-300V4 air defense missile systems, the Bastion / Ball missile systems are still here on a temporary basis and do not have the necessary infrastructure for long-term deployment.

It is quite obvious that against the background of Tokyo's refusal of a purely defensive military doctrine and the growth of the offensive potential of the Japan Self-Defense Forces, the 18th Machine Gun Artillery Division is in dire need of additional reinforcement with modern equipment and weapons.

Also, in addition to increasing our defensive capabilities, it is high time to move on to practical matters in terms of developing the economy of the Kuril Islands and ensuring a decent life for the population.

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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 16 September 2021 03: 33
    +26
    In 1968, fighters from the 308th Aviation Regiment forced the American jet airliner Douglas DC-8 to land, which had invaded Soviet airspace.
    This is the first time I've heard about this incident! And even with American soldiers!


    The author has just great review articles! Thanks, as they say - "Write more!" laughing
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 16 September 2021 03: 52
      +9
      Two-seater combat aircraft are open. There are no shelters and hangars for servicing the fighters here.
      shooting for this ... pure sabotage, in such a climate ..
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 16 September 2021 05: 29
        +5
        Quote: Dead Day
        shooting for this ... pure sabotage, in such a climate ..

        Do not get so excited, the rotation, including for repairs and maintenance, has not been canceled:

        In fairness, it should be said that the temporary basing on a rotational basis of three combat aircraft at the Yasny civil airport is, rather, a political step and signals to the Japanese leadership that the Russian position on the South Kuriles is unshakable.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 16 September 2021 05: 56
          +9
          it doesn't make it easier for airplanes.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 16 September 2021 06: 07
            +3
            Quote: Dead Day
            it doesn't make it easier for airplanes.

            In general, jump airfields are a common practice for military aviation, so what to dramatize?
            1. avg avg
              avg avg 16 September 2021 07: 16
              +2
              Why are you attacking a person! Well, let the person suffer! He has such a hobby - to suffer with or without it!
              1. Fat
                Fat 16 September 2021 10: 17
                +2
                hi If the chintz handkerchiefs are given out, I will "suffer", as always, purely out of sympathy, for a moderate fee. good laughing laughing wassat
            2. ramzay21
              ramzay21 18 September 2021 11: 14
              +4
              So we have few airbases equipped with hangars for parking and servicing military aircraft. Or do we have all airbases jump airfields?
              It is necessary to build a full-fledged air base, with hangars for parking and maintenance of aircraft, and to place the Su-30SM air regiment. Ground-based air defense systems alone are few.
              We also need a PLO, which has nothing to provide from the word at all, we need corvettes and IPCs, but they are not.
    2. kind
      kind 17 September 2021 21: 30
      -3
      The author has just great review articles! Thanks, as they say - "Write more!" laughing

      Write to write, but do not make people laugh. In the photo with the caption MLRS "Hurricane", in fact, MLRS "Smerch".
  2. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 04: 15
    -10
    Rave:
    It is quite obvious that against the background of Tokyo's refusal of a purely defensive military doctrine and the growth of the offensive potential of the Japan Self-Defense Forces, the 18th Machine Gun Artillery Division is in dire need of additional reinforcement with modern equipment and weapons.

    You just need to declare, both publicly and diplomatically, that if Japan attacks the Kuriles in particular, and Russia in general, then Tokyo will turn into a melted piece of rock. And there will be no need to spend money on the maintenance of troops on the islands, and this is oh, how expensive!
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 16 September 2021 05: 06
      +17
      Brel:
      You just need to declare, both publicly and diplomatically, that if Japan attacks the Kuriles in particular, and Russia in general, then Tokyo will turn into a melted piece of rock. And there will be no need to spend money on the maintenance of troops on the islands, and this is oh, how expensive!
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 05: 10
        -26
        Argument. Or do you propose to build a huge fleet for the protection of the Kuriles to contain Japan and then maintain it? To the delight of mattress toppers to strain the economy?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 16 September 2021 05: 18
          +14
          Argument.

          This is not for me, I have a different specialty. laughing
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 05: 35
            -13
            Quote: Sea Cat
            This is not for me, I have a different specialty.

            Judging by your nickname, you are directly related to the fleet.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 16 September 2021 07: 08
              +16
              The first class in the third group of specialization (light divers) is an instructor. Only the fleet here is absolutely irrelevant. request
            2. Gardamir
              Gardamir 16 September 2021 07: 20
              -7
              Judging by the nickname,
              do you catch mice? I, on the basis of my nickname, propose to fasten the shield of the Motherland.
              1. KKND
                KKND 16 September 2021 07: 58
                +8
                Quote: Gardamir
                I, on the basis of my nickname, propose to fasten the shield of the Motherland.

                You, judging by the comments and the avatar, are an oppositionist to the existing government of the Russian Federation, a supporter of racist theories and a secret admirer of the modern "Bender" Ukraine. And there is no need here for a supporter of the USSR, as all this public "legend" invented to pretend.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 16 September 2021 09: 59
                  0
                  Interestingly, the car of the oppositionist.
                  Well, if someone is announced as libeyas, in bulk, then the pluses are guaranteed.
                  What does your avatar mean? In the service of evil spirits?
                  1. KKND
                    KKND 16 September 2021 10: 17
                    +2
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    Interestingly, the car of the oppositionist.
                    Well, if someone is announced as libeyas, in bulk, then the pluses are guaranteed.

                    Yes, where does the avatar, you mostly "burned" in the comments.
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 16 September 2021 12: 08
                      0
                      Mutually. I slept with you, on a fall. By the way, who are the three-cyphers?
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 16 September 2021 13: 26
          +9
          The enemy will never attack the Kuril Islands as long as the power in Moscow is more or less stable. But as soon as the internecine struggle for power begins (and it may well begin, because soon all the "pillars of politics" will simply become old), the adversary may decide on a forceful scenario.
          And who at this hour will give the order and take full responsibility for the beginning of the "last" war?
          Tokyo will turn into a melted piece of rock.


          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          Argument.

          An enemy amphibious assault operation, if it ever takes place, will be very impetuous and unexpected for the political leadership of our country. Will the Navy and Marine Corps have enough forces to occupy the South Kuriles in 48 hours? Quite. What will they be able to do on the mainland during this time? A little. They will lift fighter and bomber aircraft into the air, withdraw the Pacific Fleet ships from their bases and send them to the conflict zone ...
          It will be necessary to conquer SUPERIORITY in the air, inflict tangible damage on the enemy ship groups, and (most difficult) RECOVERY the islands occupied by the enemy. How much manpower and resources will it take to accomplish this?
          And another option: even if a crisis of power occurs in the country, the enemy will not risk starting an operation, knowing that serious garrisons, anti-ship missile launchers, radar posts, air defense systems, fighter aircraft, fortified positions of motorized riflemen ... and so on are deployed on the islands. It will not be possible to occupy the islands on the move, and getting stuck is like death for them ...
          Therefore, I consider the all-round strengthening of the grouping of Russian troops on Sakhalin and the Kuril archipellag a correct and effective argument against the revanchist designs of the opponents.
          1. Siberian54
            Siberian54 17 September 2021 12: 48
            -1
            doccor18 \ This is more likely the next step after the military development of the Arctic - there, after all, they returned to almost all Soviet bases and are still developing new ones.
        3. ramzay21
          ramzay21 18 September 2021 11: 22
          +3
          Or you propose to build a huge fleet to contain Japan to protect the Kuriles and then maintain it

          The fleet needs a combat-ready and modern, capable of solving problems. And on the Kuril Islands this fleet is necessary, and not only for defense against the Japanese.
          To throw away money for the construction of incapacitated ships, and also to plant crews on them that can only die heroically, without causing damage to the enemy, is not just a strain on the economy, it is a betrayal.
          And the straining, or rather the destruction of our economy, and not only to the delight of the mattress makers, but also to the misfortune of the Russian people, is the preservation of the power of the oligarchs and all that they have plundered.
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 16 September 2021 06: 53
        +13
        And to us, at the age of 87, a girl came to the class. Father was transferred from the Kuril Islands.
        I always remembered those places well. With admiration, or something ...
        I think I need to thank Sergey for a good morning story
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 September 2021 10: 32
          +7
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I think I need to thank Sergey for a good morning story

          I support your opinion, at last there were people who started writing about the Far East. Even we, the older generation, know little about the DCK, about its history, about life, and the younger generation is less in total.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 16 September 2021 05: 21
      +2
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      then Tokyo will turn into a melted piece of rock

      Will the country's leadership have enough determination to take this step? Or get away with expressing concern ....
      PS My friend in the Soviet Union served in the missile unit, so according to his assurances, after the launch, after 6 minutes only firebrands remained from Japan ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 16 September 2021 05: 57
        +3
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        then Tokyo will turn into a melted piece of rock

        Will the country's leadership have enough determination to take this step? Or get away with expressing concern ....
        PS My friend in the Soviet Union served in the missile unit, so according to his assurances, after the launch, after 6 minutes only firebrands remained from Japan ...

        so there seems to be no real estate for the officials ... you can ...
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 16 September 2021 06: 01
          +4
          Quote: Grandfather is caste
          can...
          I'll give it to Shoigu! - Take action! good
      2. Fat
        Fat 16 September 2021 10: 45
        -3
        Japan is now a US puppet.
        But for what I respect and will always respect Japan, so for what they could and showed the white racists "Kuz'kina's mother" ...
        I do not approve of militarism, but in this case, I understand well ...
        Russians are not loved and feared because we are whitef (c) ...
        In our case, "Solo" is cooler than the content of the choir of the henchmen of "World Democracy"
        "Embers" - there and tested, have any doubts? negative stop
        This "dust" is not for the Japanese .... "The young and the strong will survive" (c)
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 September 2021 06: 17
      +5
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      And there will be no need to spend money on the maintenance of troops on the islands, and this is oh, how expensive!

      You need to maintain troops on the islands: air defense, missile troops (at choice) and artillery units, border troops, patrol ships and aviation units in an amount sufficient to maintain order and against the massive dominance of migrants. No one leaving for work leaves their own home unlocked.
      I liked the idea of ​​a melted rock ... good
      1. your1970
        your1970 16 September 2021 07: 11
        0
        Egyptian forces ....
        Quote: ROSS 42
        You need to keep troops on the islands: Air defense, missile troops (at choice) and artillery units, border troops, patrol ships and aviation units in an amount sufficient for maintaining order and against the massive dominance of migrants (!!!!!!!! ¡!!!!!!!).

        We thought, our army on the islands is needed against the Japanese army ...
        And there apparently migrants from Japan on rubber boats and swimming in the Russian Federation are bursting ???? Yes????!!!!
        So for them, missile troops and air defense are not needed - machine guns will be enough ...

        Have fun in the morning ...
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 16 September 2021 08: 57
          +3
          Quote: your1970
          Have fun in the morning ...

          I could paint you "under Khokhloma" the appointment of the coastal complexes of anti-ship missiles, aviation links and other small units. I do not exclude the equipment of the base (parking, pier) of patrol ships, but only in order to deal on the spot with small groups of illegal invasion (aggression) without involving the main forces of the army and navy ... BUT ... stop
          I'm afraid to interfere with your fun, and you still have to clean the machine gun ... laughing
          1. your1970
            your1970 16 September 2021 10: 50
            -3
            Quote: ROSS 42
            I could paint you "under Khokhloma" the appointment of the coastal complexes of anti-ship missiles, aviation links and other small units.
            - God forbid, no need to paint anything !!!! With you it will become !!! Moreover, under Khokhloma ...

            I KNOW - for what all this is needed, you are probably not very good, since you write the following:
            Quote: ROSS 42
            to deal with small groups of illegal invasion (aggression) without involving the main forces of the army and navy ... BUT.

            For dealing with small groups illegal immigrants quite enough border guards, more than. And there are quite enough machine guns.
            But it depends on how much in your understanding - "small groups" - 2-3 people or 2-3 divisions ...
            But if this is aggression from Japan, then here you cannot do without the main forces of the Navy and the Aerospace Forces in any case.

            Z. Y.
            Keep on having fun .....
            Admit it - that they sealed themselves with the "migrants" lol
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 September 2021 10: 34
        +3
        Quote: ROSS 42
        I liked the idea of ​​a melted rock ...

        And slowly it goes under water ...
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 16 September 2021 22: 44
          -2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And slowly it goes under water ...

          Immediately. bully
    4. dzvero
      dzvero 16 September 2021 06: 49
      +4
      You just need to declare ...

      This is spelled out in the military doctrine of the Russian Federation. That is why they bark and do not rush.
      And there will be no need to spend money on the maintenance of the troops ...

      In the sense of reducing everything except the Strategic Missile Forces smile It is quite possible, but when (and not if) it is necessary to recover, the costs will be many times greater.
    5. KKND
      KKND 16 September 2021 07: 55
      +13
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      You just need to declare, both publicly and diplomatically, that if Japan attacks the Kuriles in particular, and Russia in general, then Tokyo will turn into a melted piece of rock. And there will be no need to spend money on the maintenance of troops on the islands, and this is oh, how expensive!

      Well, yes, and if an enemy ship crosses the border, then immediately "glaze" and not "fart" in its direction! wassat
      Everyone is already tired of this nonsense about "melting" and "glazing". "Melt" your sofa. am
      In general, the Army is not needed, only the border guards and the Strategic Missile Forces should be left, and in general no one will ever come around, it is a pity that such simple and "brilliant" ideas did not occur to Soviet generals who went through the hell of World War II, and tens of thousands of tanks did not need to be riveted. fool
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 08: 20
        -9
        Quote: KKND
        In general, the Army is not needed, only the border guards and the Strategic Missile Forces should be left, and in general no one will ever come around, it is a pity that such simple and "brilliant" ideas did not occur to Soviet generals who went through the hell of World War II, and tens of thousands of tanks did not need to be riveted.

        And what, the 60 thousand tanks that were in the SA in 1991, they greatly helped not to destroy the USSR? After 1945, the USSR openly participated in the war only in Afghanistan, and for this war it was not necessary to rivet tens of thousands of tanks. It was precisely the exorbitantly inflated military budget that was one of the heavy burdens on the neck of the USSR budget.
        1. KKND
          KKND 16 September 2021 08: 22
          +7
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          And what, the 60 thousand tanks that were in the SA in 1991, they greatly helped not to destroy the USSR?

          Well, why did you need to produce these 60 thousand? Our generals were that? Or is it just you?
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 08: 29
            -13
            Quote: KKND
            Our generals were that?

            Of course that. Under Zhukov and Khrushchev, all sensible generals were dispersed, leaving only sycophants. An example is Rokossovsky, whom Khrushchev dismissed for Rokossovsky's refusal to denigrate Stalin.
            1. KKND
              KKND 16 September 2021 08: 32
              +5
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              Under Zhukov and Khrushchev, all sensible generals were dispersed, leaving only sycophants.

              Well, yes again everything just saws, kickbacks, sycophancy.
              And now tanks are being modernized and other equipment is being purchased, ships are being built, and the current top military-political leadership of that?
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 08: 52
                -13
                Quote: KKND
                and the current top military-political leadership of that?

                Of course that. Border guards are enough to chase huskies like pots and rodents. And strong ones like the United States and Britain will not stick their heads, because they get vigorous loaves.
                1. KKND
                  KKND 16 September 2021 08: 56
                  +4
                  Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                  Of course that.

                  In general, all that and you are the only sane person on the couch. Offer in cases of an attack on the Russian Federation at once all "melt" which is tantamount to genocide and a crime against humanity. Burn on. wassat
                  1. Kot_Kuzya
                    Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 09: 38
                    -7
                    Quote: KKND
                    Offer in cases of an attack on the Russian Federation at once all "melt" which is tantamount to genocide and a crime against humanity. Burn on.

                    In general, any sovereign state has the right to war and to defend its territory and protect its citizens, this is enshrined in international law. And every state has the right to defend itself by all possible means. Why are you not shouting about genocide and a crime against humanity by the Americans, who burned down Japanese and German cities with atomic and carpet bombings? Or is it different, you need to understand?
                    1. KKND
                      KKND 16 September 2021 09: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                      And every state has the right to defend itself by all possible means.

                      Fairy tale. Explosive bullets, free-floating mines and many other types of weapons are prohibited. Hitler and Stalin had a huge amount of chemical weapons. Why didn't they use it in difficult times for themselves?
                      And why are you answering with such a delay? Are there gaps in the training manual? laughing
                      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                      Why are you not shouting about genocide and a crime against humanity by the Americans, who burned down Japanese and German cities with atomic and carpet bombings?

                      What does this have to do with it? There is a very complex topic of why the Americans burned the cities of the Japanese. In short, the criminal Japanese leadership, not wanting to surrender in a lost war, is responsible for the deaths of its citizens.
                      In any case, you do not translate the arrows. I will not speak on this topic any more.
                      1. Kot_Kuzya
                        Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 10: 04
                        -11
                        Quote: KKND
                        Fairy tale. Explosive bullets, free-floating mines and many other types of weapons are prohibited.

                        Don't write nonsense. Explosive bullets were used both in WWI and WWII, and they are still used now, only such bullets are called incendiary bullets. As for free-floating mines, no one in their right mind will throw mines into free swimming, not only will they sail away to no one knows where, but they will also leave the water area unprotected.
                        Quote: KKND
                        Hitler and Stalin had a huge amount of chemical weapons. Why didn't they use it in difficult times for themselves?
                        And why are you answering with such a delay? Are there gaps in the training manual?

                        Chemical weapons are extremely ineffective, therefore they were not used. In addition, it can hit its own troops, and then occupy the land that has become extinct with chemistry, which is still a pleasure.
                        Quote: KKND
                        What does this have to do with it? There is a very complex topic of why the Americans burned the cities of the Japanese. In short, the criminal Japanese leadership, not wanting to surrender in a lost war, is responsible for the deaths of its citizens.

                        Similarly, in the conflict between Russia and Japan, according to your logic, we can say that "the criminal Japanese leadership, not wanting to surrender in a lost war, is responsible for the death of its citizens."
                        Quote: KKND
                        In any case, you do not translate the arrows. I will not speak on this topic any more.

                        It is clear, merged, you have no more arguments.
                      2. Bongo
                        16 September 2021 10: 13
                        +15
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        Chemical weapons are extremely ineffective, therefore they were not used. In addition, it can hit its own troops, and then occupy the land that has become extinct with chemistry, which is still a pleasure.

                        Excuse me, what is your military specialty? I ask, because you deign to write a rare nonsense.
                        Have you ever heard of neurotoxic organophosphate OPAs? Apparently not. No.
                        I report: these BOV are super effective, and there are formulations that do not cause persistent contamination of the area.
                      3. Kot_Kuzya
                        Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 10: 37
                        -9
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Excuse me, what is your military specialty? I ask, because you deign to write a rare nonsense.

                        I am a forecaster, a graduate of the Russian State Medical University, so the military specialty "meteorologist", if evil spirits attack, I will sit at the airfield and make forecasts for aviation.
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Have you ever heard of neurotoxic organophosphate OPAs? Apparently not.
                        I report: these BOV are super effective, and there are formulations that do not cause persistent contamination of the area.

                        Don't write nonsense, if they were so super effective, they would have been used long ago, despite the prohibitions. You hope you know that earlier crossbows were also banned, even at the Pope's level, but everyone spat on this ban, since they were super effective against knights, and any commoner could be trained to use a crossbow in a couple of days.
                      4. Bongo
                        16 September 2021 10: 48
                        +13
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        I am a forecaster, a graduate of the Russian State Medical University, so the military specialty "meteorologist", if evil spirits attack, I will sit at the airfield and make forecasts for aviation.

                        What can you say about a character who, being an absolute dilettante in meteorology, will begin to teach you how to make observations or compile a summary? Here you are, you undertake to judge the issues in which, excuse me, a complete layman.
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        Don't write nonsense, if they were so super effective, they would have been used long ago, despite the prohibitions. You hope you know that earlier crossbows were also banned, even at the Pope's level, but everyone spat on this ban, since they were super effective against knights, and any commoner could be trained to use a crossbow in a couple of days.

                        Do not confuse warm with soft and study the question at least a little! Ask at your leisure how many countries after the Second World War have acquired CWA, a half-lethal dose of a substance such as VX, and the physicochemical properties of binary CWA created in the 70-80s. If modern BOV are not effective, probably in our armed forces chemical protection troops exist because they were forgotten to reduce as unnecessary, or the RF Ministry of Defense has no place to spend resources. They were released and improved until the collapse of the USSR, apparently due to inefficiency.
                      5. Kot_Kuzya
                        Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 10: 58
                        -8
                        Quote: Bongo
                        What can you say about a character who, being an absolute dilettante in meteorology, will begin to teach you how to make observations or compile a summary? Here you are, you undertake to judge the issues in which, excuse me, a complete layman.

                        In the Second World War, both the Germans and Soviet soldiers on the march first threw away gas masks, since they were not needed. In WWI, the use of BOV by the Germans did not give them victory, and even at the tactical level, the use of BOV did not give the Germans any benefit. But the use of tanks completely changed the strategy of the war, and it was with the help of tanks that the allies began to successfully break through the German defenses, which had not been broken through by either a week's artillery barrage or BOV.
                      6. Bongo
                        16 September 2021 11: 05
                        +14
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        In the Second World War, both the Germans and Soviet soldiers on the march first threw away gas masks, since they were not needed. In WWI, the use of BOV by the Germans did not give them victory, and even at the tactical level, the use of BOV did not give the Germans any benefit. But the use of tanks completely changed the strategy of the war, and it was with the help of tanks that the allies began to successfully break through the German defenses, which had not been broken through by either a week's artillery barrage or BOV.

                        Don't you really understand anything? Or are you arguing just because you don’t live to admit that you are wrong? The fact that individual soldiers during the Second World War got rid of gas masks does not in the least make modern BOV ineffective. I repeat once more, they super effective! When hitting a large city with a missile stuffed with modern nerve poison, there can be no less casualties than from a nuclear warhead. The treaty banning BWA is largely due to the fact that it is a weapon of the poor. Synthesizing Sarin or Soman is much easier and cheaper than creating nuclear weapons.
                      7. Kot_Kuzya
                        Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 11: 54
                        -12
                        Quote: Bongo
                        The fact that individual fighters during the Second World War got rid of gas masks does not in the least make modern BOV ineffective.

                        Yeah, yeah, only INDIVIDUAL soldiers threw away gas masks, and most of them seemed to be dragged on themselves, instead of carrying a supply of cartridges, water or food at the expense of the released kilogram.
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Again, they are super effective! When hitting a large city with a missile stuffed with modern nerve poison, there can be no fewer casualties than from a nuclear warhead

                        And why then did the Yankes not flood the German and Japanese cities of BOV, but used only nuclear weapons and conventional bombs against them? Did the mattress makers, who did not hesitate to give smallpox blankets to the Indians, to give out bonuses for the ears and scalps of the Indians, and to destroy the buffalo as a species, became shy schoolgirls?
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Synthesizing Sarin or Soman is much easier and cheaper than creating nuclear weapons.

                        This is probably why terrorists use vulgar TNT in their attacks, not BOV. wassat By the way, you probably believe Colin Powell, who shook a test tube of washing powder at the UN?
                      8. zyablik.olga
                        zyablik.olga 16 September 2021 13: 37
                        +8
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        And why then did the Yankes not flood the German and Japanese cities of BOV, but used only nuclear weapons and conventional bombs against them?

                        Why use a sledgehammer when the same job can be done effortlessly and neatly with a hammer. The Americans won the war even without chemical weapons, and the air raid on Tokyo with the use of incendiary bombs alone killed more than in a nuclear bombardment. The nuclear bombings were of a test and demonstration nature. Even if the Japanese had not surrendered, they would have held out for a maximum of several months. Americans are not angels, but they should not be overly demonized either. No.
                        Judging by your "patriotic" comments, you are overly ideologized and you lack outlook. wassat
                      9. your1970
                        your1970 16 September 2021 10: 55
                        -1
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Have you ever heard of neurotoxic organophosphate OPAs?

                        A little later WWII, no ?!
                      10. Bongo
                        16 September 2021 10: 58
                        +5
                        Quote: your1970
                        A little later WWII, no ?!

                        Not...
                      11. your1970
                        your1970 16 September 2021 11: 08
                        +2
                        The plant started up in the summer of 1942 and with a bunch of problems ...
                        "Despite numerous safety measures, at least three hundred accidents are known even before the plant reaches its full capacity. It is known, among other things, of numerous deaths due to careless handling of equipment and protective uniforms."
                        Z. Y.
                        I meant - MASS and the volume of accumulated
                      12. Bongo
                        16 September 2021 11: 25
                        +4
                        Quote: your1970
                        I meant - MASS and the volume of accumulated

                        You have to be more specific. You may be interested in this. Well, it will broaden the horizons of those who talk about the "ineffectiveness" of modern BOV. hi
                        "The Bane of the Century" or the discovery of Dr. Schrader
                        https://topwar.ru/38326-otrava-veka-ili-otkrytie-doktora-shradera.html
                      13. Alien From
                        Alien From 22 September 2021 22: 24
                        +1
                        Thank you for the article) as it is written by my soul hi and the photos are great!
                      14. KKND
                        KKND 16 September 2021 10: 13
                        +6
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        Don't write nonsense. Explosive bullets were used both in WWI and WWII, and they are still used now, only such bullets are called incendiary bullets.

                        There are explosive bullets, they are with explosives and an inertial fuse, and there are incendiary bullets. These are completely different bullets. And yes, they were used in WWII, but then they were banned in WWII, they were practically not used.
                        https://topwar.ru/147388-razryvnoe-varvarstvo.html
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        Chemical weapons are extremely ineffective, therefore they were not used.

                        Well, yes, it is ineffective, so it is necessary to produce because humanity has nothing else to do. Learn the mat part.
                      15. Kot_Kuzya
                        Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 10: 42
                        -7
                        Quote: KKND
                        There are explosive bullets, they are with explosives and an inertial fuse, and there are incendiary bullets. These are completely different bullets. And yes, they were used in WWII, but then they were banned in WWII, they were practically not used.

                        That is, do you think MDZ bullets do not have explosives and an inertial fuse? You yourself would have learned the materiel laughing ... MDZ was also used in WWII, only they were classified as anti-aircraft and aviation, since they were used in anti-aircraft and aviation machine guns to ignite fuel in a fired aircraft. In ordinary infantry machine guns, they were almost never used, since such bullets are much more expensive than ordinary bullets, and for an ordinary person, if a bullet hits his carcass, it doesn't matter if this bullet will be MDZ, or ordinary.
                        Quote: KKND
                        Well, yes, it is ineffective, so it is necessary to produce because humanity has nothing else to do. Learn the mat part.

                        After the appearance of nuclear weapons, chemical weapons are no longer needed.
                      16. Alex777
                        Alex777 16 September 2021 22: 51
                        -4
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        After the appearance of nuclear weapons, chemical weapons are no longer needed.

                        Tell the states that they refuse to destroy their "novice" stock, even though they are obligated by agreement. bully
                      17. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 16 September 2021 14: 49
                        +4
                        Quote: KKND
                        There are explosive bullets, they are with explosives and an inertial fuse, and there are incendiary bullets. These are completely different bullets. And yes, they were used in WWII, but then they were banned in WWII, they were practically not used.

                        According to the domestic classification, bullets with a bursting charge belong precisely to incendiary - these are either sighting-incendiary (PZ), or instant incendiary (MDZ).
                        And the reason for their low prevalence is not humanism, but the complexity of production and a fairly high cost.
                      18. KKND
                        KKND 16 September 2021 18: 07
                        +3
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        And the reason for their low prevalence is not humanism, but the complexity of production and a fairly high cost.

                        What are you confusing.
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8F
                        https://topwar.ru/147388-razryvnoe-varvarstvo.html
                        For some reason, few ordinary people know about this, then just bullets with explosives can be used as training, but not against people. And it's not about cost, training ones are still being produced and mass production was mastered almost in the 19th century.
                        The point is just humanism and the prohibition of this type of weapon, such as nuclear weapons were forbidden to plant like bombs in the ocean or space, and a bunch of other bans about which it is not customary to trumpet.
                      19. Bongo
                        17 September 2021 01: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        And the reason for their low prevalence is not humanism, but the complexity of production and a fairly high cost.

                        Nevertheless, the use of MDZ and PZ for manpower is prohibited.
                      20. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 17 September 2021 12: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Nevertheless, the use of MDZ and PZ for manpower is prohibited.

                        Nevertheless, in the manuals and reference books on cartridges, bullets PZ and MDZ are present with an indication of the purpose and the absence of prohibitions on shooting.
                        7,62 mm cartridges with a sighting incendiary bullet (PZ)
                        Designed for firing at flammable targets (gasoline, kerosene, dry grass and light wooden buildings) and for correcting firing at moving and stationary targets when firing live cartridges of all other types of cartridges, selected depending on the nature of the target.
                        (...)
                        All cartridges with armor-piercing incendiary, sighting-incendiary and tracer bullets when firing from heavy and light machine guns must be loaded into belts or magazines as follows: every five cartridges with light or heavy bullets must be one of the specified special cartridges.

                        © A short guide to Red Army small arms cartridges of caliber 7,62, 12,7, 14,5 mm. 1946 g.
                        The cartridge with the MDZ bullet is designed to destroy air targets at ranges up to 2000 m. The MDZ bullet, possessing high-explosive fragmentation and incendiary action, ensures the defeat or damage of air targets by fragments and a bursting wave, as well as the ignition of flammable liquids located in tanks with a wall thickness of 2 to 8 mm, at ranges up to 2000 m.
                  2. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 16 September 2021 11: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: KKND
                    Offer in cases of an attack on the Russian Federation at once all "melt" which is tantamount to genocide and a crime against humanity. Burn on.

                    Alternatively, Lavrov may also express concern.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 September 2021 10: 38
            +1
            Quote: KKND
            Well, why did you need to produce these 60 thousand? Our generals were that? Or is it just you?

            I still cannot understand who at that time was "that" and who was "not that", as well as myself.
          3. Catfish
            Catfish 16 September 2021 12: 09
            +2
            Our generals were that? Or is it just you?

            No, the generals are not that ... laughing
    6. Bongo
      16 September 2021 09: 36
      +11
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      You just need to declare, both publicly and diplomatically, that if Japan attacks the Kuriles in particular, and Russia in general, then Tokyo will turn into a melted piece of rock. And there will be no need to spend money on the maintenance of troops on the islands, and this is oh, how expensive!

      If we talk like you, why do we need ground forces, aviation and navy at all? Let's invest only in the Strategic Missile Forces, and with an "edren-loaf" we will fight off any adversary ... wassat
      Well, but seriously, it may be a revelation for you, a nuclear strike on Japan will automatically mean a war with the United States.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 09: 42
        -10
        Quote: Bongo
        Well, but seriously, it may be a revelation for you, a nuclear strike on Japan will automatically mean a war with the United States.

        Do you think the Americans will climb to die for the sake of "some macaques"? The British and French in September 1939, even for the sake of the Poles, did not climb to die, Chamberlain then said that England did not want a repeat of the horrors of the Great War, that the British should not suffer in the trenches for the sake of some Poles.
        1. Bongo
          16 September 2021 09: 47
          +12
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          Do you think the Americans will climb to die for the sake of "some macaques"?

          Where do you come from? fool
          In accordance with the Japanese-American Treaty on Mutual Cooperation and Security Assurances, "many American military bases have been deployed in Japan, on which aircraft, helicopters, ships, radar stations, air defense missile systems, marines' barracks, numerous warehouses and material points are permanently deployed. technical supply, communication centers and intelligence centers are functioning. There are about 90 US military personnel, civilian specialists and their families in the Japanese islands, as well as 000 large bases and more than 8 US defense facilities, and our attack on Japan will inevitably affect US military forces and citizens. An attack on US military bases would certainly be seen as an act of war.
          1. KKND
            KKND 16 September 2021 09: 53
            +6
            Quote: Bongo
            Where do you come from?

            They sit at home, knock on the keys, receive a raise in their pension.
            Hello, Sergey! The Military Review, along the way, has already entered the stage of withering away. Judging by the frequency of publications and the quality. That's it, the Russian Spring is over.
            1. Bongo
              16 September 2021 09: 59
              +10
              Hi!
              Quote: KKND
              They sit at home, knock on the keys, receive a raise in their pension.

              Yes, there is also a character from Belarus who, for a small bribe, loves to push patriotic posts on behalf of the Russians.
              Quote: KKND
              Hello, Sergey! The Military Review, along the way, has already entered the stage of withering away.
              I also don't like a lot on VO, but there is nothing better yet. request
              Quote: KKND
              That's it, the Russian Spring is over.

              After each winter, sooner or later a new spring comes. Don't lose hope
              1. KKND
                KKND 16 September 2021 10: 23
                +1
                Quote: Bongo
                After each winter, sooner or later a new spring comes. Don't lose hope

                Yes, I think it's right that we were reunited with the Crimea, but the subsequent rampant jingoistic patriotism jarred me. But they even hired people on the Internet so that they would support the jingoistic frenzy. The money was allocated. I should have been more modest.
                Quote: Bongo
                I also don't like a lot on VO, but there is nothing better yet.

                We will live, we will not die.
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 16 September 2021 12: 13
                +4
                "- What's going on in the world? - It's just winter.
                “It's just winter, you suppose?” “I suppose.”
                After all, I myself, as I can, make tracks
                in your early asleep homes.

                - What will be behind all this? - And it will be January.
                - It will be January, do you think? - Yes, I think so.
                I've been reading this white book for a long time,
                this one, with pictures of a blizzard, is an old primer.

                - How will it all end? - It will be April.
                - It will be April, are you sure? - Yes, I am sure.
                I have already heard, and this hearing has been verified by me,
                as if a pipe was ringing in the grove today ... "(c)

                Yuri Levitansky was right. smile drinks
            2. Kot_Kuzya
              Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 10: 08
              -9
              Quote: KKND
              They sit at home, knock on the keys, receive a raise in their pension.

              Actually, I'm 37 years old, I'm not a pensioner yet, thank God wink ... And I write because I am at home, since my work is shift, and not a five-day period like an office plankton.
          2. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 10: 05
            -15
            Quote: Bongo
            There are about 90 US military personnel, civilian specialists and their families in the Japanese islands, as well as 000 large bases and more than 8 US defense facilities, and our attack on Japan will inevitably affect US military forces and citizens. An attack on US military bases would certainly be seen as an act of war.

            That is, the American military bases are located in the center of Tokyo? Strong, very strong! What are you smoking there? Or, like Zelensky, indulge in coke?
            1. Bongo
              16 September 2021 10: 14
              +8
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              That is, the American military bases are located in the center of Tokyo? Strong, very strong! What are you smoking there? Or, like Zelensky, indulge in coke?

              Since you know about coke, how much are you willing to bet that there are American military installations in Tokyo?
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 10: 45
                -11
                Quote: Bongo
                Since you know about coke, how much are you willing to bet that there are American military installations in Tokyo?

                That is, do you think that the GI bases and the American AUG are located in Tokyo? Or do you consider the American embassy a "military target"?
                1. Bongo
                  16 September 2021 10: 52
                  +11
                  I, unlike you, do not "count", I know. You jump off the topic. So are we arguing or not?
                  1. Kot_Kuzya
                    Kot_Kuzya 16 September 2021 11: 03
                    -9
                    Is there really a base of the American AUG in the harbor of Tokyo Bay? And by the way, according to international standards, if a third party has losses in a belligerent country, then the blame for these losses is imposed on the side on whose territory this third party is located. For example, if in the summer of 1941 the Germans bombed the Japanese embassy in Moscow, then this would not be a reason to declare war on Germany on the Japanese, the Soviet side would be guilty of this, which did not cover Moscow from German air raids.
                    1. Bongo
                      16 September 2021 11: 17
                      +10
                      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                      Is there really a base of the American AUG in the harbor of Tokyo Bay?

                      Thank you! You made my evening!
                      good
                      Here is a satellite image, it has coordinates. I am sure that, albeit with difficulty, you will be able to independently determine this place. I believe in you!

                      For this I have to take my leave, because I see no point in further dialogue. hi
                      1. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 16 September 2021 15: 05
                        +6
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Here is a satellite image, it has coordinates. I am sure that, albeit with difficulty, you will be able to independently determine this place. I believe in you!

                        Is it really a city practically merged with Greater Tokyo, the name of which perfectly describes the attitude of some Beatles fans to the wife of one of the members of the group? wink
                      2. Bongo
                        17 September 2021 01: 49
                        +5
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        Is it really a city practically merged with Greater Tokyo, the name of which perfectly describes the attitude of some Beatles fans to the wife of one of the members of the group?

                        I pay tribute to your observation, erudition and sense of humor! good
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 16 September 2021 15: 08
              +4
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              That is, the American military bases are located in the center of Tokyo?

              The US military on the Islands is often based wall-to-wall with the Japanese. If we hit the Japanese forces, the Americans will fall under the distribution.
          3. Catfish
            Catfish 16 September 2021 12: 18
            +4
            Where do you come from?


            Calm! Only calmness! wassat



            I know, but I won't say - they will be banned! laughing
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 September 2021 10: 42
        +3
        Quote: Bongo
        Well, but seriously, it may be a revelation for you, a nuclear strike on Japan will automatically mean a war with the United States.

        Any blow, this is World War III. Thank you Sergey for the article.
        1. Bongo
          16 September 2021 10: 54
          +6
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Any blow, this is World War III.

          It is a pity that not everyone gets it! request
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Thank you Sergey for the article.

          drinks
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 16 September 2021 11: 56
        +1
        Quote: Bongo
        Let's invest only in the Strategic Missile Forces, and with an "edren-loaf" we will fight off any adversary ...

        Norm strategy. For large enemies, a large loaf, for small ones, a small one.
        Quote: Bongo
        a nuclear strike against Japan would automatically mean war with the United States.

        Better. Finally, the dream of petty-bourgeois patriots that America is everything will come true. We will glaze them too.
    7. EMMM
      EMMM 22 September 2021 23: 36
      +1
      Is it cheaper to turn Japan into a piece of molten rock?
      In this case, force support serves only to support diplomacy.
      The author's article clearly states that the South Kuril Islands make the Sea of ​​Okhotsk an internal reservoir of the Russian Federation, and, excuse me, Japanese fishermen have nothing to do there. Because of what all the fuss.
      So the transfer of the Southern Kuriles to Japan is comparable to the transfer of Crimea to Erdogan.
  3. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 16 September 2021 06: 11
    +1
    Review and article materials - naturally a plus!
    Changes for the better began in 2010, when the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense finally took care of strengthening the defense of the South Kuriles.

    And I do not even doubt that it is time to take care of all the once existing and abandoned units and garrisons at a high pace, and not dream of Siberian cities with a population of one million.
    Also, in addition to increasing our defensive capabilities, it has long been it is time to move on to practical matters in terms of developing the economy of the Kuril Islands and ensuring a decent life for the population.

    It is high time to move away from slogans and appeals and do it.
    Most likely, it is time for the Kuril Islands to revise the structure of the units, excluding the massive use of tracked vehicles. This mess does not grow over the years and decades. As for the housing infrastructure and everything else, the rotational method with the replacement of duty shifts and calculations would be suitable. As for housing and all other buildings, there is an option:
  4. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 16 September 2021 06: 36
    +6
    A good review and the ending of the article correctly focused attention on the economic development of this region ... people need to be attracted there ... give them the opportunity to settle there and organize a full-fledged existence ... then the Kurils will begin to bring considerable income to the Russian state.
  5. Catfish
    Catfish 16 September 2021 07: 01
    +10
    It is very pleasant when the day begins with an article by Sergei. smile
    I swallowed it in one spirit and completely agree with my colleague's assessment:
    The author has just great review articles! Thanks, as they say - "Write more!"

    It was sad, of course, to read about how spread rot our Army was, I immediately remembered how units from Germany were taken to Russia directly "in the open field", without housing for officers, without storage facilities for equipment. Eh ...
    Now something seems to be slowly getting better, well, God forbid, let's hope.

    I found something new for myself. Was it the first time you encountered such a designation of a military unit as a "machine-gun and artillery" regiment, local, island specificity? On the Amur, we created units called UR (fortified area), so there "was a pair of each creature" - a T-34/85 company, an armored personnel carrier-60 company, an armored reconnaissance vehicle and an artillery battery. Their uniforms were funny - green shoulder straps of border guards, and instead of caps, simple garrison caps. They recruited people there very simply, they built our regiment on the parade ground and the "dealers" announced: "Who wants to join the border troops - two steps forward." Well, those who were already on fire came out, so my friend got there.
    And how the ISs then drove to the Far East, too, I remember, long trains with three steam locomotives, and on platforms dozens of ISs-third with rusty caterpillars.

    Thanks again and best wishes to Sergey! smile "Do not give up your efforts, Maestro!" (C) good drinks
    1. Bongo
      16 September 2021 09: 42
      +14
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Thanks again and best wishes to Sergey! smile "Do not give up your efforts, Maestro!" (c)

      Kostya, thank you for your good wishes! I will try to continue to please the adequate part of the site visitors! drinks
      Walking the last days of my vacation. I go day - every other day for mushrooms and fishing.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 16 September 2021 10: 29
        +7
        Yeah ... The fish is good, even if it goes straight to the exhibition, or better right into the frying pan - it asks itself. smile
        I am glad that you are doing well, happily rest and see you.
        Greetings and best wishes to my wife. love drinks
        1. Bongo
          16 September 2021 10: 34
          +8
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Yeah ... The fish is good, even if it goes straight to the exhibition, or better right into the frying pan - it asks itself.

          Yes, fried freshly caught grayling with a glass of good whiskey is a thrill!

          Quote: Sea Cat
          I am glad that you are doing well, happily rest and see you.
          Greetings and best wishes to my wife.

          Kostya, thanks! Olya, she says hello to you too! I wanted to answer myself, but the cats occupied it, and I can't get to the laptop.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 16 September 2021 11: 36
            +5
            Thank you, but cats, in any case, are more important! laughing
            You know, to be honest, I would have preferred vodka, somehow it didn't work out with whiskar, although everyone tried it. I’m not out of leavened patriotism, it’s just not mine, but I love rum. smile drinks
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 16 September 2021 14: 50
            +5
            It was this photograph that made a depressing impression on me, like a material symbol of the collapse of my country.

            A deadly weapon transformed into mindless, rusting trash.
      2. Fat
        Fat 16 September 2021 10: 59
        +6
        Good grayling! ... And fly fishing ... And an article ... Thank you heartfelt!
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 September 2021 15: 55
      +2
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Their uniforms were funny - green shoulder straps of border guards, and instead of caps, simple garrison caps.

      And soles of boots with screws, for them the border guards gave a nickname to the URovtsy - "screws"
  6. Undecim
    Undecim 16 September 2021 07: 40
    +11
    A shot of the MiG-17F fighter taken from the DC-8


    Photos taken by the flight attendant of Flight 253A Nancy Jacquier before landing.

    And this is Nancy Jacquier herself with Soviet cigarettes.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 16 September 2021 09: 59
      +8
      Now I'm going to get in with the boring stuff. smile Vic, these are cigarettes called "Fragrant", the aroma was really present and quite specific, for my taste it is just disgusting. laughing
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 16 September 2021 10: 53
        +7
        I have not met such, so I mistook the packaging for a cigarette.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 16 September 2021 11: 37
          +6
          Strange, they were on sale at every corner, however, I have already forgotten how much they cost.
          1. Fat
            Fat 16 September 2021 13: 54
            +4
            Se ke mua ... Neighbor (non-smoker), a huge thank you to him, since the time of distribution of nishtyakov vouchers has adjusted "Amateur" factories to them a week ago. Uritsky ... Kuri, he says ...
            Yes, if you can? Rarity, sir!
            Belomor from "Usman" in general, no one for "smoke" did not consider, but better than sleeping tea from radio submariners .... from "Mayak" (such a radio station - a lot of good people worked there in the 2000s)
            Hehe I have this one too ... I saved it on purpose ... It was easy: rotten tobacco separately from the shells was initially impossible to use for its intended purpose negative
            You are not a bore! The bore is me! (when it comes to cigarettes) yes laughing
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 16 September 2021 14: 09
              +4
              Remember the mouthpiece bits?
              About them from folk art:

              "New" cigarettes are the newest,
              Cigarettes "Southern" the most unnecessary "

              And, of course, "Carnations" and "The Beggar in the Mountains". laughing
              1. Fat
                Fat 16 September 2021 14: 56
                +3
                Say more "Cannon" cigarettes laughing
                I remember a "beggar in the mountains" like "Pamir" and "North", that's why I started smoking from 2nd grade negative laughing ...
                Here's a drawing:


                I'll be honest. Victory did not use liners laughing There was no "havana" at hand, perhaps the budget "Upmann" ...
                In every large cinema one could get a box of elite cigars ... Very expensive ...
                But they were poisoned mainly by "Belomor"
                Unfortunately, I don’t remember who produced the "Nevskie" cigarettes - excellent (!) - were produced in Leningrad, who was there with Us? factories "Clara Zetkin" and "Uritskogo"
          2. Undecim
            Undecim 16 September 2021 14: 32
            +5
            Surprisingly, I have never met. Perhaps by the seventies, when I began to show interest in smoking, they were no longer released.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 16 September 2021 14: 37
              +7
              Probably not released any more, especially considering the nationwide "love" for them, and the blockage of Bulgarian smoke. And in the seventies I switched to the Cuban “Ligeros”, fortunately “Havana” was ten minutes' walk from home, and there were enough of them in the stalls too.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 16 September 2021 14: 45
                +6
                Cuban Ligeros

                Death under sail.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 16 September 2021 14: 54
                  +4
                  Yes, they were also called "Thermonuclear", but in vain, excellent cigar tobacco from waste in the production of the famous "Crown".
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 16 September 2021 15: 05
                    +5
                    Do not make cigarettes from cigar waste. Not enough cigars. And the "crown" is a format, size - 5 1/2 - 6 "x 42 = 13,9-15,2 x 1,67 Tobacco can be very different.
                    1. Fat
                      Fat 16 September 2021 15: 38
                      +4
                      hi Victor Nikolaevich. Cigars come to the tradesin cut off! And where did the trimmings go?
                      Yes, yes - there in the upman and ligeros - a noble commodity, nevertheless, and very cheap. On the pack of upman that I still have (packaging, not cigarettes) it is written - waste of cigar production (in Russian) ... Maybe I came across something exceptional?
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 16 September 2021 16: 45
                        +5
                        Maybe some specific brands. But everyone ...
                        Cigars are produced in millions and cigarettes in billions.
                      2. Fat
                        Fat 16 September 2021 19: 19
                        +2
                        Duc ... I'm talking about the brand - "Upman". H. Upmann brand - first sighted ....
                    2. Catfish
                      Catfish 17 September 2021 00: 24
                      +1
                      After graduating from university, my friend worked at our embassy in Cuba for two years, and he talked about the waste of cigar production, I have no reason not to believe him.
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 16 September 2021 16: 43
                +4
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Probably not released any more, especially considering the nationwide "love" for them, and the blockage of Bulgarian smoke.

                Until the 70s in St. Petersburg, in all cigarette stalls, cigarettes were sold both in packs and by the piece, at least one, at least five, how much money you have. Certainly not "Pamir" was taken but elite varieties.
                When I smoked my first cigarette when I was 35, I started with the locals, until the collapse of the Soviet Union and smoked, and then we all smoke now. But the cigarettes were great, you can't compare with bulgaria.
            2. Fat
              Fat 16 September 2021 15: 42
              +3
              74 - 76 years of the last century. Then the "brand" disappeared from circulation ...
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        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 September 2021 16: 26
          +4
          Quote: Undecim
          I have not met such, so I mistook the packaging for a cigarette.

          I haven’t met either, and I couldn’t meet, I didn’t live there, but there were a lot of cigarettes ...

          And these even with prices

          And these smoked L.I.Brezhnev, but from the store, but on a special order.
          1. Fat
            Fat 16 September 2021 17: 50
            +1
            Sadly, I looked at Brezhnev's "News". Duc not blue ..... I remember the green pack, I used it - I know .... Bum filter and length 70 mm, total. Brezhnevskys, if caught, 90 mm with the filter. A drop dead smoke. You can't find such a schaz ... There was a "like" and others like them "space" of a similar format - 70 mm with a filter ...
            And yes, "Krasnopresnenskie" ... How can I forget?
            The fact that you presented such a small hit on monsters of cigarette graphics!
            Even Maurice Escher made packs of paintings for poisoners ...

            P.S. I'm not a tobacco fighter. I like that panting, it cools, hippo lunges.
            Well, it calms a little ... Amosov said - the first "five cigarettes" and not smoking at all .... From my own experience - the ritual "smoke" - a delay in solving the problem.
            Is this why drunkard W. Churchill is always on the official with a pacifier?
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  8. KKND
    KKND 16 September 2021 07: 50
    +6
    It is quite obvious that against the background of Tokyo's refusal of a purely defensive military doctrine and the growth of the offensive potential of the Japan Self-Defense Forces, the 18th Machine Gun Artillery Division is in dire need of additional reinforcement with modern equipment and weapons.

    Also, in addition to increasing our defensive capabilities, it is high time to move on to practical matters in terms of developing the economy of the Kuril Islands and ensuring a decent life for the population.

    Correctly Sergei does what he expresses his civic position.
    In our power, all the same, not quite pests or "dolboklyuyi" settled down, my mother, for example, via the Internet complained about holes in the road and to my surprise they were patched up very quickly.
    Now, when they have managed to quarrel with all the "partners" at the top, they can only rely on their own people.
    1. Bongo
      16 September 2021 10: 38
      +11
      Quote: KKND
      Now, when they have managed to quarrel with all the "partners" at the top, they can only rely on their own people.

      I am afraid that a significant part of the population does not like the authorities, to put it mildly, with the attitude to the people as to "new oil".
      1. your1970
        your1970 16 September 2021 11: 13
        -4
        Quote: Bongo
        Quote: KKND
        Now, when they have managed to quarrel with all the "partners" at the top, they can only rely on their own people.

        I am afraid that a significant part of the population does not like the authorities, to put it mildly, with the attitude to the people as to "new oil".

        In Russia, power has always been disliked ... Any ...
        Then it really happened that they mourned - "What a good government! Not like the current one ...."
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 16 September 2021 12: 04
          +2
          How are you there? Yeltsin mourning?
          1. your1970
            your1970 16 September 2021 18: 15
            -3
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            How are you there? Yeltsin mourning?

            Oh how ... I even gave a hint about EBN ??? fool fool
            I wrote in Russian
            Quote: your1970
            happened

            - this does not mean everyone in a row !!!!
            But SEPARATE kings / leaders were then remembered with a kind word
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 16 September 2021 12: 07
      +1
      Quote: KKND
      they can only count on their own people.

      And so everywhere. Things are heading for another world war and everyone is trying to secure a stable rear for themselves. Even with us. Although traditionally they try to a greater extent by non-economic measures. And what the people are putting up with so far. Well, to hell with them with these slaves, still spend money on them.
  9. Fat
    Fat 16 September 2021 09: 08
    +3
    Great article. Thank you Sergey ....
    "18th machine gun artillery the division is in dire need of additional reinforcement with modern equipment and weapons. "
  10. Speedy
    Speedy 16 September 2021 10: 55
    +4
    Sergei, not a big mistake ... 46 and 49 Pulup and not Pulad. These are shelves after all ..
    1. Bongo
      16 September 2021 11: 27
      +6
      Quote: Sorrow
      Sergei, not a big mistake ... 46 and 49 Pulup and not Pulad. These are shelves after all ..

      I completely agree with you. yes In the version sent for publication there was a pull-up. This is an editorial fix.
  11. Borisych
    Borisych 16 September 2021 10: 58
    +3
    Thank you, I read it with pleasure. A very detailed review article, the topic was almost never disclosed earlier due to inaccessibility.
  12. Wildcat
    Wildcat 16 September 2021 11: 01
    +4
    Excellent article!
    As always, the photographic materials are of a high level.
    good
  13. Wildcat
    Wildcat 16 September 2021 11: 38
    +6
    "... the serviceable planes flew to Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where after several years of storage without protection in the open air they fell into complete disrepair and were disposed of. The same fate befell the 308th Aviation Regiment, which had been rearmed by that time on the MiG-23MLD (Postovaya airfield) "- a sad story ... especially compared to what and how they do on Davis Montan (there is an article on the Phantoms in the US Air Force on Topvar).
    1. Bongo
      16 September 2021 11: 54
      +8
      Quote: Wildcat
      "... the serviceable planes flew to Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where after several years of storage without protection in the open air they fell into complete disrepair and were disposed of. The same fate befell the 308th Aviation Regiment, which had been rearmed by that time on the MiG-23MLD (Postovaya airfield) "- a sad story ... especially compared to what and how they do on Davis Montan (there is an article on the Phantoms in the US Air Force on Topvar).

      "Phantoms" in the US are almost over. F-16s of early modifications are now being converted into radio-controlled targets with the ability to carry strike weapons.
      Welcome back, and with a new "title"! drinks
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 16 September 2021 11: 58
        +5
        Thank you!
        And a special thank you for the articles, otherwise there is little to read on Topvar ...
        drinks
        1. KKND
          KKND 16 September 2021 12: 19
          +4
          Quote: Wildcat
          Thank you!
          And a special thank you for the articles, otherwise there is little to read on Topvar ...

          You fully support my thoughts. By the way, I remember you, you understand something in military technology, it is interesting to read.
  14. Daniil Dmitrienko
    Daniil Dmitrienko 16 September 2021 12: 55
    0
    It is the most sensible idea to place good radar complexes there.
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 17 September 2021 19: 04
      0
      Quote: Daniil Dmitrienko
      It is the most sensible idea to place good radar complexes there.


      The most sensible idea was recently implemented, as I understand it, a law was passed with serious incentives for investment on these islands. And the development of any infrastructure - production projects there. Perhaps not enough and additional benefits need to be made.

      Why is it important.
      The Japanese demand in their view empty islands or very poorly developed, dilapidated houses, lack of infrastructure, or any activity.
      Well, as if the logic is simple, the Russians do not need the islands anyway, but we, the Japanese, will master everything there at once.

      If everything is beautiful there, from the airport to housing, with kindergartens, schools, sports facilities, some kind of high-tech production for processing fish products, etc.
      Then the purely psychological reasons for the Japanese who demand to squeeze the islands on which people live happily will be much less.

      After all, there is a difference figuratively wanting some kind of deserted islands or wanting to evict people. For the average person, the difference is huge.

      Well, to instruct the radar station there, too, this will add the inhabitants and the view of the islands will be even more habitable and toothy.

      And the region as a whole is arming there.
  15. arkadiyssk
    arkadiyssk 16 September 2021 15: 09
    +2
    Quote: dzvero
    You just need to declare ...

    This is spelled out in the military doctrine of the Russian Federation. That is why they bark and do not rush.
    And there will be no need to spend money on the maintenance of the troops ...

    In the sense of reducing everything except the Strategic Missile Forces smile It is quite possible, but when (and not if) it is necessary to recover, the costs will be many times greater.


    Oh you and nuclear war theorists. In what Doctrine you have spelled out the use of nuclear weapons in response to the seizure of the island?
    here's an excerpt - either in the case of aggression with conventional weapons, if “the very existence of the state is threatened
    How does the seizure of the island - casts doubt on the existence of Russia - they will rush to Moscow after Kunashinra? There is no reasonable chance that there will be a nuclear response in response to Japan's actions. There will be concern, like the Turks ...
  16. Alexfly
    Alexfly 16 September 2021 15: 14
    0
    My uncle served on Iturup as a fighter aircraft technician in the late 70s-80s. He talked about the harsh life and the absence of everything, though everything was okay with fishing .. And caviar and crabs are in abundance, isn't that why the Japs who have always lost the land want to have it back?
  17. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 16 September 2021 15: 30
    +3
    Changes for the better began in 2010, when the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense finally took care of strengthening the defense of the South Kuriles. By 2011, all obsolete T-55 tanks were removed and replaced with T-72Bs.

    Currently, T-72B tanks are part of the tank battalions of the 46th machine-gun and artillery regiment (Lagunnoye settlement on Kunashir Island) and the 49th machine-gun and artillery regiment (Goryachy Klyuchi settlement on Iturup Island). In the village of Goryachy Klyuchi, the division's command and control bodies are also located.

    With tanks 18 pulads in general some kind of leapfrog.
    According to some sources, T-55s in 18 pools were replaced by T-2014BVs before 80.

    Source - https://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/124338.html
    By the way, the photo of the "tank encampment" in the article, it seems, is also a T-80.
    Then, in 2017, the T-72B appears in the division's armament data.
    In 2020, there is information that 18 pools will receive the T-72B3M.
    And in 2021, Major General Vladimir Belyavsky announced that the T-72B will be replaced by ... the T-80BV. belay
    1. Bongo
      17 September 2021 01: 54
      0
      Quote: Alexey RA
      With tanks 18 pulads in general some kind of leapfrog.
      According to some sources, T-55s in 18 pools were replaced by T-2014BVs before 80.

      Duc, some sources and big bosses at the same time announced the deployment of the Buk air defense system on the islands. But this, to put it mildly, is not entirely true ... request
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 17 September 2021 13: 18
        0
        Quote: Bongo
        Duc, some sources and big bosses at the same time announced the deployment of the Buk air defense system on the islands.

        The problem is that in the photo below (it is claimed that this is a technique of 18 pulads, filmed before 2014), the location of the DZ on the turrets of tanks and the aft part of the turrets does not pull on the T-72B in any way. But on the T-80BV - quite.

  18. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 16 September 2021 15: 32
    +3
    As I understand it, the strengthening of our defense on the islands is now hindered by some half-heartedness of decisions as a line of conduct. As it says in the anecdote "If a woman said" No "then it means" Maybe. " In our case, we also, somehow overly cutesy "NO" to Japanese inclinations about the islands. The establishment of a firm (with all the attendant) position on the islands is hindered by the desire of our elites to develop contacts with Japan (mainly economic ones) as a kind of counterbalance to our dependence on the PRC. We are very fond of the last decades, a long, sympathetic and healthy diplomacy, with a lot of movement and a small number of results - probably there were hopes that this number would work with the Japanese too - and we will press their position by talking them out + by offering some kind of donut hole in the question that for them is extremely specific.
    The way we perceive this game - fetters our real defenses, some uncertainty and flirting give the Japanese false (I hope!) Hopes that the issue can be resolved profitably for them.
    The strengthening of the defense and the overhaul of units to the islands is a completely different line, not a line of trade, but an action that, among other things, implies the rejection of some potentially beneficial projects with Japan. So far, there are apparently fewer supporters of this approach than supporters of the above.
    1. Fat
      Fat 16 September 2021 19: 43
      +3
      I am old and sick ... But memory does not fail completely yet. The Yapps began their trek to Hawaii from the Kuril Islands. So - WHAT ...
      Friendship is friendship and the contract is "cancer"
  19. Evgeny Chukgekov
    Evgeny Chukgekov 16 September 2021 16: 53
    0
    served in the early seventies in the PV in the southern Kuriles did not see a single soldier of the Soviet army. not a single tank was not. planes yes. flew a couple of times
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 17 September 2021 15: 59
      0
      In the early 70s, my classmate served on Shikotan, he gave me an address for letters: Shikotan, his last name. In the mid-70s, my classmate, who was expelled from the university from the 2nd year, served on small landing ships in the Kuril Islands. So there were Soviet soldiers and sailors there.
  20. Andre
    Andre 16 September 2021 18: 55
    +1
    Yes, I read about the 90s, it's just J. pa. EBN destroyed so many things and his followers were still in power. Ukrov is very reminiscent, and even then these stupid people have not yet sunk to such an extent.
  21. Castro Ruiz
    Castro Ruiz 17 September 2021 13: 37
    +2
    The situation with airborneness is very bad.
    Without it, the land units will not hold out for a long time.
    It is necessary to restore the "Petrel" aerodrome and equip it with mines. air regiment SU-30SM. Eskadra SU-34M also was not beat bi superfluous.
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    1. Toucan
      Toucan 17 September 2021 16: 17
      +2
      What secrets did the author reveal?
  23. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 17 September 2021 15: 53
    -2
    The defeat in World War II did not teach the Japanese anything, apparently the USSR's victory over Japan, without a nuclear strike on Japanese cities, does not seem convincing to them. Do they really think that Russian nuclear weapons on ICBMs are weaker than American nuclear weapons in 1945? If they want to check, it is necessary to satisfy their curiosity, let them name a couple of cities that they do not mind.
  24. Hiller
    Hiller 17 September 2021 19: 11
    0
    "Each machine-gun and artillery battalion consisted of 2 companies of tank firing points (10 heavy tanks IS-2 or IS-3 in each) and 6 artillery platoons of tank towers - each with 6 towers of T-54 tanks installed on a concrete base.[i] [/ i] "I will correct the author .. In the composition of each pool and ICB there were ONE RTOT (company of tank firing points), 10 IS tanks (two fire platoons) and THREE AVTB in each 6 towers. Also artillery reserve The commander of the pulab - a battery of 100mm BS-3 cannons. As tractors - MTLB. In the state of the ISB - a mortar battery of 120mm mortars. In total, there were 34 artillery barrels in the pulab. At the same time, the battalion's defense front reached more than THIRTY !!! kilometers. (Iturup Kasatka Bay) - the main airborne accessible direction).
  25. Hiller
    Hiller 17 September 2021 19: 21
    0
    A number of sources say that engines were dismantled on heavy tanks IS-2 and IS-3, delivered to the Kuril Islands. But this is not the case. In a conversation with a local resident, who served as an urgent in 1983-1984 and later stayed on Iturup, it was possible to find out that the IS-3 tanks in his company were on the move.
    Your interlocutor, a local resident, twisted his soul. Or maybe I forgot it because of the remoteness of the years. There were two RTOTs on Iturup - Saratovka performed tasks in the Okhotsk direction and Ovalnaya - in the Pacific. So, despite all the petitions to higher officials, the power plants from the tanks were dismantled. Instead of them, 22 shells were loaded into the MTO. And the engines were abandoned at the Oktyabrsky pier.
  26. timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 18 September 2021 00: 58
    +4
    Due to the fact that the Kuriles are under our jurisdiction, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is an internal sea of ​​Russia, which ensures control over the production of marine biological resources and the unhindered exit of warships and submarines into the ocean.


    Yes, it is not internal. It is completely included in the exclusive economic zone of the Russian Federation, and this is completely different.

    The 18th Machine-Gun Artillery Division is in dire need of additional reinforcement with modern equipment and weapons.


    More on the neighboring shore anyway. It is not necessary to invest in the 18th pool, but in the Air Force, capable of intercepting air supremacy over the islands and providing a quick counterattack of the Japanese who landed there by forces from another island or mainland.
    Which, these forces, must, firstly, be, and secondly, be ready to act there.

    Plus, you need a willingness to deliver them there if the weather will not allow flying. In winter, the Japanese can use the window between typhoons and we will find ourselves in a situation where our first paratrooper will only be able to get to the islands in a week due to the weather.
    This should also be taken into account in preparation.

    Simple defense of the Japanese cannot be stopped, neither in the Kuril Islands, nor in Sakhalin - there are simply too many of them, not even due to their technical superiority in the same aviation, for example, in other things.

    Well, missile units with Iskanders are needed like air in the Far East, and on the mainland cruise missiles are needed for the Air Force to hit Japan without getting involved in a meat grinder with their aviation.

    None of this yet.

    And traditionally - the fleet is needed, Japan is on the islands, Russia in those parts is also mostly islands.
    1. Wildcat
      Wildcat 18 September 2021 14: 03
      +3
      Extremely dubious conclusions, IMHO.

      IMHO, "The 18th machine-gun and artillery division is in dire need of additional reinforcement with modern equipment and weapons" - this is something that can be done "here and now" and this is something that will not allow any story with Japanese green men / humanitarian mission / ecological mission did not develop into a story with the return of the de facto Kuril Islands to Japan.

      By the way, it is possible that it makes sense for the Kuriles to import equipment and mat. provision with a margin, in order to deploy something more than 18PULAD during the threatened period, transferring personnel there.

      And under certain conditions, IMHO (political / military / economic crisis in the Russian Federation) - the Japanese can take a risk, especially when their "destroyers" with F35 are fully ready. Especially if our troops on the Kuril Islands are small and the landing operation looks fast and "cheap" in terms of losses.

      1. "And traditionally - the fleet is needed, Japan is on the islands, Russia in those parts is also mostly islands." - you need a fleet, of course ...
      But let's remember the traditions. I remember that Japan managed to defeat the fleet of one country in parts (although quantitatively, if you count all the ships everywhere, the enemy of the Japanese was stronger). Then the Japanese were able to carry out amphibious operations and could not interfere with them on land, just the troops were not enough.
      And now, IMHO, even the biggest fans of the fleet do not see in the foreseeable future we have a fleet comparable to the Japanese.

      2. "missile units with Iskanders are needed like air in the Far East, but on the mainland cruise missiles are needed for the Air Force to hit Japan without getting involved in a meat grinder with their aviation" - in this case, the story "the Japanese are swarming with the Russians on the islands" may turn into "the Japanese and the Americans are punishing the aggressor" and the situation will turn from difficult to hopeless.

      3. "It is not necessary to invest in the 18th pool, but in the air force capable of intercepting air supremacy over the islands and providing a quick counterattack of the Japanese who landed there by forces from another island or mainland." Linnik had articles about the Japanese Air Force / Air Defense / Missile Defense, the data in the articles seems to be correct, so it is unlikely about "intercepting air supremacy over the islands".
      And "to ensure a quick counterattack of the Japanese who landed there by forces from another island or mainland" in such conditions is even more unlikely.
      MRA could interfere with the landing operation, but you yourself know where the MRA is.
      In this regard, "these forces must, firstly, be, and secondly, be ready to act exactly there" must be exactly "there."

      4. "A simple defense cannot stop the Japanese, neither in the Kuril Islands, nor in Sakhalin - there are simply too many of them, not even due to their technical superiority in the same aviation, for example, in other things." Well, if all 125 million go to the islands where 20 thousand live, then there is a means for "cleaning up" - a special warfare unit. And if the number of landing forces is less, and the number of defenders is large, there is a chance to not bring the matter to the special warhead.
  27. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 19 September 2021 11: 40
    -4
    Currently, T-72B tanks are part of the tank battalions of the 46th machine-gun and artillery regiment (Lagunnoye settlement on Kunashir Island) and the 49th machine-gun and artillery regiment (Goryachy Klyuchi settlement on Iturup Island).

    Outdated information.
    Article 2020:
    The defense of the Kuril Islands will be strengthened with modernized tanks T-72B3... The corresponding decision was made by the Ministry of Defense, Izvestia reports with reference to the military department.

    https://topwar.ru/176536-oboronu-kurilskih-ostrovov-usiljat-modernizirovannymi-tankami-t-72b3.html
    Article 2021:
    The Kurils will be rearmed with T-80BV tanks, replacing the T-72BZ.
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that the replacement of the model of tanks in the Kuril Islands is being carried out to build up the combat potential of the island's armored units. As noted by the military, the supply of T-80BV and T-80BVM tanks to the Far Eastern tank units has been going on for a long time. According to the Ministry of Defense, it is the T-80BM that is most suitable for the Kuril Islands, given their climate.

    Source: https://infosmi.net/society/219296-kurily-perevooruzhat-tankami-t-80bv-zameniv-t-72bz/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
  28. zwlad
    zwlad 19 September 2021 18: 14
    +3
    Thanks to the author!
    I liked the article.
  29. sifgame
    sifgame 24 September 2021 13: 41
    +1
    Kudos to the author for a good article, I also heard about the DC-8 incident for the first time. "While on the territory of the USSR, the captain of the plane, Joseph Tosolini, apologized for violating the air border of the USSR, but in Japan he took his words back." ))))) The USSR could.
  30. 3sp
    3sp 1 December 2021 08: 17
    0
    I wonder where a local resident served, who claimed that the ISs on the PTOT were on the move. I served at RTOT Ovalnoe in 82-84, visited Saratovka. We had an IS-2, an IS-3 in Saratovka, the engines were removed and in their place there was an ammunition rack, as in the turret. There could not have been any positions as a driver-mechanic in the companies, the crew of the tank was 3 people - commander, gunner, loader.