С78 "Zig-zag" - the only revolver model from Mauser

A still from the film "School" (1980). Boris Golikov is holding a Beretta M1935 pistol

With the Mauser, which my father gave me, I never parted. The Mauser was small, comfortable, in a soft suede holster. I didn't wear it for self-defense. No one was going to attack me yet, but he was dear to me as a memory of my father, his gift was the only valuable thing I had. And also because I loved the Mauser, because I always felt some kind of pleasant excitement and pride when I felt it with me. In addition, I was fifteen years old then, and I did not know and still don’t know a single boy of this age who would refuse to have a real revolver.
"School" A. Gaidar

History firearms weapons. And it so happened that while reading Gaidar's book "School" as a child, I came across this paragraph in the epigraph, and was very surprised by it. After all, everyone knew, including me, that a Mauser ... this is a Mauser - wow, what a pistol! So the main character of "School", firstly, could not carry it in his back pocket, and secondly, it was not a revolver. After all, a revolver has a drum, and a pistol has a magazine, in the handle or, like a Mauser, in a special "container" in front of the trigger.

And then I got my hands on the "Soviet military encyclopedia" (Moscow: Voenizdat, 1976-1980), where a portable pistol "Mauser HSc" of 7,65-mm caliber was just drawn, which was quite suitable for description in the Gaidar school, although there and it was indicated that this model began to be produced in 1935.

"Mauser HSc". (Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse, website www.littlegun.be)

And a holster to it. Moreover, the holster just for concealed carrying is very suitable, although it is not suede ... (Photo published by permission of Alain Daubresse, website www.littlegun.be)

But ... maybe she had models that preceded her? And that Gaidar was simply mistaken, writing that it was a revolver, or maybe he simply did not attach any importance to it.

Shot from the movie "The Diamond Arm"

Therefore, already in 1980 I watched the series "School", and there her hero, like Semyon Semenovich Gorbunkov from "Giproryba" in "Diamond Hand", was armed with the same pistol ... the Italian "Beretta" М1935.

Revolver "Mauser" M78 Oberndorf caliber 9 mm. (Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse, website www.littlegun.be)

But, as it turned out much later, there was still a Mauser revolver, and moreover, it was precisely this that the father of the protagonist could bring from the war and give it to him. It was the C78 Mauser, also known as the M78 Oberndorf, manufactured by Mauser in Oberndorf am Neckar at the end of the 6th century. And it was the first German revolver, which was mass-produced for modern central combat cartridges. And it was called "Zigzag", which indicated the design feature of its six-cylinder cylinder with a zigzag groove. It was produced for a variety of cartridges of caliber from 11 to 6 mm. So, for example, Golikov could have received a small-sized pistol from his father for 7 and XNUMX-mm caliber cartridges.

The history of this revolver is very, very curious.

Revolver "Mauser" C78, ​​the first model with a solid frame and the Abadi door on the right. (Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse, website www.littlegun.be)

The revolver was designed by Paul Mauser and had the factory designation Construktion 1878 (C78) and was his first and last revolver model produced by this company. It was developed as a prototype for testing in Germany in 1879, as a replacement for the earlier Dreise needle revolvers.

Despite the fact that the weapon was effective and well-designed, the Mauser brothers tried to sell it to the German army, especially the army of the Kingdom of Württemberg, without much success. In 1879, various German revolvers were evaluated, and it was rejected because the zig-zag drum was deemed too difficult by the military to manufacture. For the army they chose the Reichsrevolver M1879, developed by Spangenberg & Sauer in Suhl (today called JP Sauer & Sohn), and then produced by various German companies. The C78 revolver was eventually acquired by only a few soldiers.

Revolver "Mauser" C78, ​​second model, caliber 11 mm. The drum latch is clearly visible from the front, "Francott's lever" (barrel and drum fastener) and the lever with the discharge device ring. When they were thrown back, the spent cartridges were pushed out. (Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse, website www.littlegun.be)

Since the Smith & Wesson style auto-unloading swing-open revolvers were in vogue at this time, the design of the C78 Mauser of the first model was redesigned and in 1886 an improved 9mm version with a hinged frame was introduced.

Well, ten years later, the C78 was completely replaced by the semi-automatic C96, only many old revolvers were used until the end of the First World War and even later.

The second model, in contrast to the Smith & Wesson revolver, had a hinge that was attached not in front of the drum, but in the back, and the drum did not need to be removed for reloading. The sleeves were first removed using a manually operated ejector ring, and in later models this happened automatically at the moment the revolver was opened.

The drum of a 78-mm C9 revolver. (Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse, website www.littlegun.be)

As already noted, the main feature of the C78 was a special cylinder turning device. Unlike most other revolvers of the time, it rotates not due to a toothed ring at the rear end of the drum, but due to a rod connected to the trigger and a pin at the rear end. Straight and oblique grooves were milled on the outer surface of the drum. When the hammer is cocked, the pin enters the inclined groove and rotates the drum one sixth until the next chamber coincides with the barrel and the hole for the hammer striker. When firing, the trigger goes forward, the pin inside the straight slot slides back, and the drum itself is fixed in the firing position.

This drum rotation system was developed as early as 1855 by EK Root, a collaborator of Samuel Colt (US patent No. 13,999, December 25, 1855), and applied on prototypes of the Colt-Root revolver. However, somehow she did not satisfy Colt. From 1901 to 1924, the same system was used in the Vebley-Fosbury automatic revolver, manufactured by the Vebley-Scott Company in Birmingham.

Very high quality wooden parts of the handle with a characteristic shape. (Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse, website www.littlegun.be)

Another feature of the revolver was the drum locking lever located in front of the trigger guard, which blocked the barrel and drum attachment assembly, allowing them to be turned upward to release it from used cases. But it turned out that this position of the barrel and drum made reloading the revolver difficult compared to the modern convertible revolvers produced by Vebley and Smith & Wesson. There was also a safety catch on the left side of the frame, which prevented the free rotation of the drum.

And this is how it unfolds for reloading. Not very convenient, let's face it. (Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse, website www.littlegun.be)

On the basis of the revolver, the C78 "Zag-zag" revolver rifle was released, but very few of them were made.

This rifle here. (Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse, website www.littlegun.be)

Although the revolver was not chosen for service in the Imperial German Army, the Mauser company continued its production in the 1890s, and sold them as civilian weapons, and the military also bought it.

Stamp on the trunk. (Photo courtesy of Alain Daubresse, website www.littlegun.be)

The weight of the 11 mm revolver was 900 g. The barrel length was 137 mm. The cartridges were used in a variety of calibers: 6, 7, 7,92, 9, 10,6 mm.

Comments

[Kot_Kuzya]

The Mauser brothers didn’t know in time that the age of revolvers for armies was over, and in the future generals would order self-loading pistols for their armies. And they did not lose.

[Catfish]

Would you deign to tell us which model of the Mauser brothers' self-loading pistol "the generals ordered for their armies," I mean just for adoption.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Half of the armies of European countries were armed with Mauser C96, they were produced until the beginning of WWII and about a million of them were produced. Isn't that a success? Even the prim Englishman himself, the future Lord Churchill, was armed with this pistol in his youth. Although the British army was then armed with a very good Webley revolver, which even in WWII was the standard weapon of British officers.

[Catfish]

You have not answered. A specific question must be answered with a specific answer. Which armies and in what year OFFICIALLY adopted the S96 into service?
As for Winston Churchill, he bought this pistol for cash, "Mauser S96" was never in service with the army and navy of the British Empire.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Mauser S96 was in service with HALF of the armies of European countries, and even in the army of China! Naturally, it was also in service with the tsarist army, and by inheritance these Mauser went to the Bolsheviks, who really liked the pistol, and they ordered a large batch from Weimar Germany, although at that time Germany was also producing a Luger, which was cheaper and more convenient to carry. than C96.

[Catfish]

Naturally, he was in service with the tsarist army,

It was not in service with the tsarist army, but was among the weapons "recommended" to gentlemen officers for purchase at their own expense, like many other systems.
In China, the Mauser was also not officially in service. In addition, in China, at the end of the seventies, they created their own version of the Type 80, based on the Mauser M712.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Sea Cat

It was not in service with the tsarist army, but was among the weapons "recommended" to gentlemen officers for purchase at their own expense, like many other systems.

Since it was allowed to be used as a weapon for gentlemen officers, it means that it was in service with the Russian army.

[Catfish]

Who told you this, or did you think of it yourself? The difference between the commercial, the acquisition of weapons by individuals and the official purchase of hundreds, or thousands of barrels by the state? I doubt something.
In general, it is clear that you do not really know anything and just “crush water in a mortar”.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Nevertheless, the brainchild of the Mauser brothers was a huge success, largely due to the fact that it was one of the first self-loading pistols, and a powerful cartridge, as well as the ability to shoot with an attached holster as a butt. I do not think that if instead of C96 they would have created a revolver in the same year, it would have had such a success, most likely, it would have sunk into oblivion and would have been known only to fans of the history of weapons.

[vladcub]

"the ability to shoot with an attached holster," the Parabelum 1908 also had a similar function.
In fact, the Mauser family tried to be remembered: Mauser rifles, pistols

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: vladcub

the ability to shoot with an attached holster, "on the" Parabelum "1908, a similar function was also provided.

There was such an option, but it was intended for the gunners, and then snails were invented for assault groups. But for some reason they did not order the C96 for attack aircraft, which was originally a pistol with a stock. I suspect that even a Luger with a snail and a butt was cheaper than the Mauser C96.

[Catfish]

Have you heard of Luger's "Marine Model"?
On December 12, 1904, the 9-mm Luger pistol "Marine model of 1904 of the Borchardt-Luger system" was adopted by the German naval headquarters for service with the German fleet.

[Gunfighter95]

The standard attachment butt (namely the butt, the leather holster was attached to it separately) was completed with two models of lugers:
- P04, the so-called marine model,
- P08 Lange, the so-called artillery model.
But the protrusion on the back of the handle, to which the butt could be attached, was present on almost all P08s. Including "infantry".
The Trommel magazine (as you write "snail") was designed for the "gunner" to increase, so to speak, his firepower.
Later, the idea came to use it for assault groups - a novelty of the tactics of the German troops on the fields of WWI.
And in this configuration, the "arti" received the P17 index.
At the same time, Mauser also offered its own version of an assault pistol based on the C96 carbine with a long 30-round magazine.
And even released a small batch. But the novelty did not come to the court in the army.
The P17 turned out to be better suited for these tasks.

Best regards,

[Captain45]

Quote: Sea Cat

It was not in service with the tsarist army, but was among the weapons "recommended" to gentlemen officers for purchase at their own expense, like many other systems.

Quite right:
The great popularity of Mauser pistols among travelers, hunters and simply weapon lovers has led to its widespread distribution in many countries of the world, including in Russia, despite the initial a rather high price of 238 rubles 87 kopecks, which as of September 15, 2012 would have amounted to 323 thousand 83 Russian rubles. However, in In 1907, it was possible to reduce several times and in the same year Mauser was among the recommended pistol systems that officers were allowed to acquire instead of a revolver of the 1895 model.By that time, it already cost 40 rubles (54 100 in current money), which approximately corresponded to the salary of the second lieutenant , and after the imposition of the tsarist allowance in 1909, when the salary of the youngest of the peacetime officers reached 70 rubles, almost every representative of the officer corps could buy Mauser. Officially, the Mauser was nowhere in service. In Germany, the Mauser pistol was adopted only for partial armament: in 1908, horse rangers were armed with it, and during the First World War it entered the troops only because of the lack of Parabellum pistols.
Excerpt from the article about "Mauser" from the site "About Russia"

[vladcub]

"even in the Chinese army" at the beginning of the 20th century was at the level of the Papuans.
The Chinese are excellent imitators: "China also produced their own pistols. These were crude forgeries of well-known systems, left from separate units of various European systems" (A. B. "Revolvers, pistols, rifles, pistol machine guns, machine guns" M. 1993)

[vladcub]

"for service and the tsarist army" in RIA, in addition to the service revolvers Nagant, there were: "recommended samples for wearing OUT OF THE STRUCTURE": Browning model 1903. The "recommended" Colt М1911 appeared in WWI. (Fedoseev)

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: vladcub

in RIA, in addition to the Nagant service revolvers, there were: "recommended samples for wearing OUT OF THE STRUCTURE"

That is, gentlemen officers were forbidden to have C96 in the ranks and at the front?

[vladcub]

In fact, the Mauser K 96 was NOT in service ANYWHERE.
In WWI, when there were not enough regular Lugers, a number of K 96s were redesigned for the 9mm parabelum cartridge. On the handle of such Mauser was the number 9.
PS may post a photo.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: vladcub

In fact, the Mauser K 96 was NOT in service ANYWHERE.

If in the army the military personnel were massively armed with the C96, it means that it was in service. The command simply would not have allowed to have non-standard weapons in service.

[vladcub]

"It was not officially in service anywhere. In Germany, the Mauser pistol was adopted only for partial armament: in 1908, it was armed with horse rangers, and during WWI it entered the troops only because of the lack of" Parabelum "(Zhuk)

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: vladcub

in 1908 equestrian rangers were armed with him, and during WWII he entered the troops only because of the lack of "Parabelum" (Beetle)

Strange, there are not enough cheaper Lugers, so let's buy more expensive C96! It is as if the Wehrmacht began to buy MG-34 instead of MG-42. I know that MG-34s were produced for tank and air forces, as they are more convenient for tight spaces of a tank and an aircraft. But they stopped purchasing MG-34 for infantry, replacing them with cheaper MG-42.

[Bogalex]

As I understand it, the concept of "production capacity" is not familiar to you?
In general, it seems that, without thinking, you are now inventing explanations on the fly.
"Mauser" ordered because the volume of production "Lugers" did not meet the needs of the troops. At the same time, the "Prussian" contract of 150 thousand units. was the largest in the history of the S-96, only slightly inferior to the total volume of production of pistols of all types that left the workshops of the Mauser plant until 1918.
But, in order to understand how "massive" it was, as you say, let us remember that by that time more than 1 million 550 thousand units were "riveted" by the regular "Lugers". plus 144 thousand of its "artillery" modification. Well, after that, let's talk about how "massively" this pistol was presented in the troops of even Germany, not to mention other countries where the largest order (Italian, if I’m not mistaken) was only 25 thousand units.

[Gunfighter95]

... "Mauser" ordered because the volume of production "Lugers" did not meet the needs of the troops. At the same time, the "Prussian" contract of 150 thousand units. was the largest in the history of the S-96, ... not to mention other countries, where the largest order (Italian, if I am not mistaken) was only 25 thousand units.

That's right. Paradox! Officially, the C96 was really not accepted in any army in the world. But he fought in all the battles of the First World War in the amount of more than a million units.
The so-called "Italian" counter for 5 thousand pistols for the Italian Navy - this was the first commercial success of the C96 for the Mauser company.

Big Ring Flat Side from the "Italian" contract

The Prussian contact was the largest. But out of 150 thousand, only 130 thousand pistols were delivered.

Best regards,

[astra wild2]

Probably used Mauser from the warehouse

[Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich]

MG.34 was mass produced before
last days of the 2nd World War and
was massively used in
any parts of the Wehrmacht
also until the last day.
MG.34 in total over a million
pieces riveted.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

The command simply would not have allowed to have non-standard weapons in service.

This permission was obtained in the tsarist army in 1907.

[vladcub]

I knew that there were "recommended" samples, but I specifically knew: Browning and Colt, and what else? Fig knows him

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: vladcub

what else?

Mauser and Parabellum.

[Gunfighter95]

... a number of K 96s have been redesigned for the 9mm parabelum cartridge. On the handle of such Mauser was the number 9 ...

Let me clarify. Pistols C96 in caliber 9 mm steam were originally made in this caliber, they were not altered.

The "Red Nine" and the 1910 model, after which the arms dealers introduced the unofficial name for the "older" C96 model.

Best regards,

[vladcub]

Didn't read this

[Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich]

1917 Model C.96 ("Rote Neun")
under Patrone.08 (9x19-mm) :-)))
It is for the sake of adoption
and was released under the regular cartridge
Luger.
I found the 1st World War in my hands
"Stosstrupen", and for the Wehrmacht later
also managed to fight.

[Lech from Android.]

And where does Vyacheslav come from, you only find these stories about Mauser rarities ... I've read so much about small arms, but I've never heard of the Mauser revolver ... all the Colts, Nagans, Smiths ...
Live and learn.
Thank you Vyacheslav for the article ... Sunday started with a positive article.

[alex neym_2]

This model is slightly described in the book by A. Beetle "Revolvers and pistols" p.44. So read carefully and notice the little things.

[kalibr]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
And where does Vyacheslav come from, you only find these stories about Mauser rarities

You need to know the places ... And do not be lazy to look for them.

[Ross xnumx]

Not bad, in order to broaden horizons and take a break from this hustle and bustle of unimportant events and news ...

[kalibr]

Quote: ROSS 42

Not bad, in order to broaden your horizons and take a break from this hustle and bustle of minor events and news.

As a rule, Yuri Vasilyevich, people like the most useless information the most and bring them maximum satisfaction. We are such strange creatures!

[The leader of the Redskins]

Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich for the interesting reading. But I think Gaidar could have just used the word revolver as an analogue of the word pistol. In no way do I pretend to be such a version. It's just that Arkady Petrovich wrote a "school" for children, not for specialists in gunsmiths. Could for a change and "play" with words.
About thirty-five years ago I really liked this work and I re-read it several times. But I never noticed that the Mauser revolver was mentioned there. Pistol and pistol ....

[kalibr]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But I never noticed that the Mauser revolver was mentioned there.

I also did not pay for a long time. But then I drew it and it turned out interesting ...

[Aviator_]

It's just that Arkady Petrovich wrote a "school" for children, not for specialists in gunsmiths. Could for a change and "play" with words.

I believe that Gaidar did not call the donated weapon a revolver, read more carefully - in the text only that “I was fifteen years old then, and I didn’t know, and I still don’t know a single boy of this age who would refuse to have a real revolver". The main character also dreamed of a revolver, but they gave him a pistol. And it was problematic to carry a revolver in the back pocket of his trousers, and the plot of the story was built on the secrecy of wearing it.

[vladcub]

"the leader," I agree there are books that can be re-read. I reread Gaidar: "RVS", "On the ruins of the counts"

[Wildcat]

Most likely it was, IMHO.
There was a mention that it was the word "revolver" that was used as a designation for a holster weapon; the military even had problems purchasing it from Colt for evaluation (instead of 1911, they bought and sent revolvers).
And in the School there is a mention that it was still a pistol, in the sense not a revolver: "Bows low, here - he asked to hand over the package. He did not want to send it by mail ... The mail is now unreliable.

Mother tore open the envelope. There were no photographs in it, only a sheaf of oiled, scribbled sheets of paper.

A lump of clay and a green, withered blade of grass stuck to one of them.

Я unfolded the package - there was a small Mauser and a spare clip."

[Gunfighter95]

I unrolled the package - there was a small Mauser and a spare clip. "

Directly removed from the tongue.

Best regards,

[Wildcat]

And one more addition, the weapon of the main character of the School had a safety catch, IMHO, this is still one of the "automatic pistols": "... I saw that there were four people behind my back, ready to grab me from behind. Then I jumped forward, trying To break through to the door. Fedka jerked me by the shoulder. I hit him with his fist, and immediately they grabbed me by the shoulders and across the chest. Someone tried to push my hand out of my pocket. Without taking my hand out, I gripped the handle of the revolver.

"They will take it away ... Now they will take it away ..."

Then, like a trapped animal, I yelped. I took out my Mauser, pulled the safety catch with my thumb and pulled the trigger."
And right there the main character's weapon is called a revolver: "- There was an inspector, - said the mother, - he said that you were expelled from school and that if by noon tomorrow you don’t hand over your revolver to the police, they will report it there, and they will take it away from you by force... Hand it over, Boris! "

[Gunfighter95]

Then, like a trapped animal, I yelped. I took out the Mauser, pulled the safety catch with my thumb and pulled the trigger. "

And here suspicions arise - did the author of "School" hold this Mauser in his hands?
Or did your memory fail when you wrote?
Well, you can't pull the fuse up with your thumb!
The design does not allow.
It is convenient to put the pistol on the safety guard with your thumb, pressing down.
And to remove - only by pressing the button. Then the safety lever itself will "swing" up.
Maybe he never put the safety on the gun himself?
That is why he did not know how to remove it from him?
Well, it's still a literary work, not an NSD.
Let's write off, so to speak, the beauty of the syllable. :)

Best regards,

1 - safety lever (lowered down, the gun is on the fuse)
2 - fuse disconnect button

You can remove the gun from the safety catch by pressing the button with your thumb. Just "Pull Up" will not work.

[Wildcat]

And here suspicions arise - did the author of "School" hold this Mauser in his hands?
Or did your memory fail when you wrote?
Well, you can't pull the fuse up with your thumb! request
The design does not allow.

How could the word "pull up" could also be ambiguous in those difficult times ...
Gaidar knew exactly how to use weapons at the level of a "confident user", he had a pistol for personal use, so he was familiar with the fuse ... his hero was already wearing the cartridge in the barrel with the fuse on - not bad ...

I found it, there was an article with photographs about Gaidar's weapons, it seems, from this Mauser, to his last weapon in 1941 ...
I always liked this: “You will be given a rifle, an assault rifle, a light machine gun, various types of grenades. In skillful hands, with a hot, devoted heart to the Motherland, this is a formidable and terrible force. Without skill, without dexterity, your warm heart will flare up on the battlefield, like a bright signal flare, fired without purpose and meaning, and immediately go out, showing nothing, wasted ... "
"If you fail to set the correct sight, then your bullet aimlessly, not at all frightening and even encouraging the enemy, will fly by."

Article link: http://militarylib.com/articles/weapon-article/1628-oruzhie-v-zhizni-i-tvorchestve-a-gajdara.html

By the way, it is getting dark, I have to take care of the Old Electrician again, he is already bored, go ...

[Gunfighter95]

Thanks for the link!
Not a single Zig-Zag, mind you
If the author of the article had read it before, then perhaps we would not have had such a heated discussion on the pages of VO

Best regards,

[Wildcat]

Well, not a bad article, an introductory part from Gaidar, is also good.
Since there is not a single Zig Zag, then you need to put a couple of Zig Zags here in a crazy finish:

[Wildcat]

And a few Mauser, as in the School:

[Gunfighter95]

Absolutely.
At that time there was no well-established terminology as it is now.
And self-loading pistols, as a new class of firearms that appeared, were then often called revolvers. Even the newspapers of the beginning of the century wrote, for example, "Browning revolver".
And in the works of art of that time, the words "pistol" and "revolver" were used as synonyms.
Well, ZIG-ZAG cannot be attributed to a compact weapon for pocket socks.
Yes, and it was unlikely to meet such a miracle on the battlefields of the First World War ...
But the Mauser 1910 or 1910/14 chambered for the very common 6,35 Browning cartridge is quite real.
And according to the description in "School" it is still a pistol, not a revolver.
But the model 1910 or 1910/14 is, I think, even the author of the story could not say.

Mauser model 1910/14 caliber 6,35 br.

More rare Mauser model 1910 caliber 6,35 br.

I remember in the army I received on arrival at the regiment on the invoice (1987):
- PM - 1 pc.
- shop PM -2 pcs.
- revolving cord (safety strap)

Best regards,

[Catfish]

Good morning, friends!
Vyacheslav, thanks for the article, but this paragraph put me in an impassable dead end. A bit tricky for a simple typo:

... which indicated a design peculiarity of its six-cylinder with a zigzag groove.

As for the rest, everything is as always on the level.

... as a replacement for the earlier Dreise needle revolvers.

Revolver by Franz Dreise (1860?)

For the army they chose the Reichsrevolver M1879,

Reichsrevolver M 1879

[kalibr]

Quote: Sea Cat

its six-cylinder

The translation is disappointing. The article was not in German. And there the drum is called a cylinder ... And I had to translate it through Google. I should have written a six-shooter. Didn't notice!

[Catfish]

Yes, the meaning is clear that we are talking about a six-shooter drum, it just turned out very funny.

[kalibr]

Apparently there was a large piece of text and this stupidity was disguised in it. And then either I did not notice or thought to fix it later, but I was ... called ... and I forgot to do it when I returned to work. After all, I have a household: a house, a summer residence, a market ...

[Catfish]

Market? What do you trade there?

[kalibr]

Quote: Sea Cat

What do you trade there?

Buying!

[The leader of the Redskins]

Good morning.
And I, to be honest, did not even notice)))

[astra wild2]

And when I read I remembered

[vladcub]

V.O., next time be careful

[kalibr]

Quote: vladcub

V.O., next time be careful

Ha! With your lips, yes, honey would be drunk ...

[Mountain shooter]

The author is wrong. The Mauser firm produced a small-sized pistol for caliber 0.25 and 0.32 weighing 445 grams. The so-called Mauser 1910.
Gaidar went through the civil war, and hardly knew enough about the brands of weapons to confuse a revolver with a pistol ...

[kalibr]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The so-called Mauser 1910.

About him will be ...

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Gaidar went through the civil war, and hardly knew enough about the brands of weapons to confuse a revolver with a pistol

This is not an indicator, many veterans who went through the Great Patriotic War inside and out, called the MR-38 and MR-40 submachine guns - “shmeisers”.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And how many "tigers" and "Ferdinands" were beaten, burned ... You can't count just one memoir. And after all, the tankers. People who saw the enemy in the forehead.

[kalibr]

Our tankers even knocked out "Rheinmetall" - I read it in Beskurnikov's book.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I probably read an excerpt from this book. Like the beginning of an article about tanks. It seems in the "Model Constructor".

[kalibr]

"Strike and Defense" it was called ...

[Undecim]

The revolver was designed by Paul Mauser, had the factory designation Construktion 1878 (C78) and was his first and last revolver model produced by this company.

Here, Vyacheslav Olegovich, clarification is required - not released, developed by.
Because the Reichsrevolver you mentioned was produced by Mauser.

[Yurahip]

In the story "School" Gaidar most likely described the Mauser M1914 and a similar small pistol, caliber 6,35. Here they were in small leather holsters. And the passage about the fact that any boy is happy to have a revolver is just the well-known inattention of writers to weapons, for them a revolver, a pistol, one sausage! Although Gaidar is a military man, but even so ... By the way, from something like this, it seems M34 Mayakovsky, according to the official version, shot himself, and J.V. Stalin had one. So it is a very common and very favorite then weapon.
It is surprising that the respected author did not mention this, but immediately made a speech about HSc.

[kalibr]

Quote: Jurachip

It is surprising that the respected author did not mention this, but immediately made a speech about HSc.

Because there will be a separate material about them. Following ...

[vladcub]

"inattention of writers" In general, Gaidar was a member of the Civil War, a regiment commander, when writing the story he was a "reserve commander" and perfectly distinguished between a revolver and an automatic pistol ..
This is Melnikova: "Agent of the detective police" actions take place in the 80s of the 19th century and she has ":" Nagant "," dragoon "rifle, Arisaka.

[Gunfighter95]

"inattention of writers" In general, Gaidar was a member of the Civil War, a regiment commander, when writing the story he was a "reserve commander" and perfectly distinguished between a revolver and an automatic pistol ..

The thing is different.
It's just that in the works of art of that time, the words "pistol" and "revolver" were used interchangeably. No more. This is not an NSD. :)
The Browning revolver was often seen in newspapers and books.
This is now the terminology is already established, and the people are more advanced ...
Although nowadays something is like a revolver or a pistol - everything is one ...

Best regards,

[vladcub]

That's right. There are so many blunders in books and films.
Here I came across Melnikova, she is more serious than Kulikovskaya or Dashkova, mine reads this nonsense, so you can read. But there are a lot of blunders: the flintlock has become a Berdan, the cartridges are damp and the bullets do not pierce winter clothes, etc.

[Gunfighter95]

That's right. There are so many blunders in books and films.

Previously, a consultant always appeared in the credits. And now everyone has become "specialists". Hence the bloopers.
I'm already silent about the modern stage - it's better not to listen to the lyrics.

Best regards,

[astra wild2]

Yura, my applause.

[Crowe]

In addition to ordinary revolvers, Gebrüder Mauser und Cie manufactured piece weapons

The frame and drum of such revolvers were covered with engraving, individual metal parts were decorated with gold, ivory was sometimes used for the cheeks of the handle.

One of these revolvers was donated to the King of Württemberg.

This weapon is in demand among collectors and is found at auctions in Europe and the United States. The cost of ordinary Mauser revolvers, depending on the type and safety, is 4 - 8 thousand dollars. The price of custom-made revolvers, with an engraved frame, in the decoration of which precious metals are used, can range from 15 to 30 thousand dollars.

[Nikolaevich I]

Something "brothers-gunsmiths" in the 19th century divorced not measured ... so the Mauser "got in" there! And I got acquainted with the phrase "Zig-Zag" in my early school years, studying German weapons! But the Mauser started (I basically, "know Paul ...) modestly, at the revolvers and pistols," automatic "without swinging, starting with the" single charge "!

And then "off we go"! And the phrase "zig-zag" is associated by many chelas with Germany, Mauser ...
But in fact, the weapon "element" of the Zig-Zag appeared for the first time in the United States in the late 50s in the 19th century ... And the author of it is, if not shy, Elliot! In addition to the Mauser, in the 19th century revolvers were produced with Elliot's "zig-zag" drum (except Vebley-Fosbury!) "Dartain Zig-Zag" (in my opinion, an interesting model!) And "Remington Zig-Zag Derringer" .. ...

Dartein Zig-Zag

Remington Zig-Zag Derringer

[vladcub]

Nikolaevich, I have never heard of such

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: vladcub

I've never heard of them

Hello! The weapon is interesting! And Dartain ...

And Remington ....

[Undecim]

on revolvers and pistols - "automatic machines" without swinging, starting with "single charge"!

You have a "single charge" in the photo, which was "continued". And "we started with this" single charge ".

[Nikolaevich I]

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Quote: Undecim

You have a "single charge" in the photo, which "continued". And "we started with this" single charge "

1. An interesting single-shot pistol of 13,8 mm caliber, built on the basis of the 1871 Mauser rifle, designed by Victor Karl Schilling from Suha in 1878. private collection... That's what the caption under your picture says ...! Schilling pistol from 1878, "made" from a Mauser rifle Model 1871! And I "showed" the Mauser K-77 pistol Model 1877. !

[Undecim]

That's what the caption under your picture says ...!

Not from Sukha, but from Zul. Do you think I do not read the captions under the "pictures" before I publish them? It's hard nowadays without a sense of humor.

[Nikolaevich I]

The second model, unlike the Smith and Wesson revolver, had ... In addition to the Mauser C78 # 2, there was also a third model, but very few were produced ...

[Undecim]

And then I got my hands on the "Soviet military encyclopedia" (Moscow: Voenizdat, 1976-1980), where a portable pistol "Mauser HSc" of 7,65-mm caliber was just drawn, which was quite suitable for description in the Gaidar school, although there and it was indicated that this model began to be produced in 1935.

You got the wrong book. If this

It features a 6.35mm Model 1909.

[vladcub]

"Reading as a child" I read "School" at the age of 20 and by that time I had read "How the Steel Was Tempered", and there they called Browning "Long" a revolver.
When Zhuk fell into my hands and I decided for myself: "Gaidar" Mauser - Mauser "hunchback": 1910/14

[Gunfighter95]

All true.
Either Mauser 1910 or Mauser 1910/14 class. 6,35.

Best regards,

[sibiryouk]

The hero of Gaidar, Boris Gorikov, still had a pistol, it was a Mauser model 1910 or model 1910/14. There are many indications of this in the text, in particular, when shooting at Vaald, Boris removes the weapon from the safety lock. Writers used to often confuse a revolver with a pistol, even very knowledgeable people. For example, N. Ostrovsky in his novel How the Steel Was Tempered, described the scene of a Mauser K-96 pistol donated to Pavel Korchagin by a sailor Zhukhrai, and ended like this, putting his foot on the footboard of the carriage Zhukhrai wrote permission for the REVOLVER donated (this is from memory, but almost literally).

[astra wild2]

Quote: aleks neym_2

This model is slightly described in the book by A. Beetle "Revolvers and pistols" p.44. So read carefully and notice the little things.

I have such a book at home. My "girlfriend" periodically flips through it and hammers me: "whose brand, and what is this?"

[vladcub]

Q. Oh, where do you get the epigraph for the "hunchback"? Again Strugatsky

[kalibr]

Svyatoslav! What a curious you are. But understand. And I will say that I do not really like to repeat myself. The epigraph will be like this: "These were tall people in boots with spurs, in huge riding breeches and with Mausers in polished wooden boxes."
"Twelve Chairs", Ilya Ilf and Evgeny Petrov
And ... You should still, Svyatoslav, read my novel "Three from Ensk". There is a lot about weapons and their use ...

[vladcub]

V.O., thank you. I already know how to comment

[kalibr]

By the way, Svyatoslav. Today at 18.00 there will be material about him.

[vladcub]

Thank you very much

[Ben latin]

… .Author, pictured Mauser "HSc" (engineer Alex Seidel) chambered for 7,65x17mm. Browning. Seidel developed it from 1936-38, and the first factory batch of these pistols came out in 1940. A. Gaidar also had a gift (from the Revolutionary Military Council) Mauser "M1910" 1913 chambered for 6,35x15mm. Browning # 9157 ...