Industrial revolution in the West and two world wars

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There can be two perpendicular approaches to any problem: propaganda and analytical. Approaching the matter analytically, we find out what, how and why ... It is difficult and extremely ambiguous, in the sense that the results of our reflections are very conditional, and they require a lot of time. That is, this path - the collection of facts, their correct analysis, conclusions - is very time consuming and effortless. And the result, as a rule, does not please the eye and does not convince the general public. But a purely propagandistic approach is much more effective, no logic, no complicated constructions - one continuous pressure, only emotions.

But what is characteristic - the masses like this approach very, very ... Because - simply, understandably and clearly. And to combine discussions within the framework of these two approaches at the same time is a rather useless exercise. And even meaningless. "Bad money drives out good money." A bright and colorful propaganda approach usually guarantees victory (ordinary people do not like to think).



So the trouble with analyzing the pros and cons of that very Western civilization is precisely that logic and common sense are absolutely and completely absent. Usually. And, as a rule, it all comes down to a clash of two opposing propaganda approaches. Once again: using two approaches (analytical and propaganda) at the same time is "very powerful witchcraft" and not everyone can handle it.

Paradoxically, it was Western civilization that was originally characterized by what is called "critical thinking." That's right: take nothing for granted, investigate everything, question and try to refute. Indeed, this distinguished the West in its best years, and undoubtedly it was its critical advantage over the rest of the planet. Not faith, but knowledge.

Obviously, that is why today attempts to promote a certain "bright city on the hill" cause sincere bewilderment. This approach is much more characteristic of Islam. As, in principle, and for the Chinese bogdikhans or Buddhists in India and Asia in general. There - yes, there the "critical type of thinking" was absent as a class, and there progress was much slower.

The classic question is: "Don't you believe in our mumba-yumba?" And somehow this issue is slowly becoming relevant in the West. Parallels are even quite obvious: Islamists are blowing up the enemies of Islam, "democrats" are bombing the enemies of democracy. At the same time, both sides are acting very tough and categorically. The arguments of both sides are very similar ...

Sometimes you want to resettle both those and others to some distant planet ...

Seriously, for a long time it was Western civilization that was ahead of the rest of the planet, and somehow many are already used to it. And it seems to the majority that it has always been this way. Both advanced qualities and some "freedoms" are considered originally inherent in the same Western civilization.

However, not everything is so simple, and it was not always so.

Swedish poverty


To begin with, even the composition of the West's participants has changed quite a lot. There was a period when the Spanish Empire had no equal, but then - its rapid fall happened almost to a third world country ...

Legendary Sweden has been famous for a very long time, oddly enough, "Swedish poverty".

In general, if you dig around, then a lot of such interesting and different things come to the surface.

Starting just from the fact what at the cost of Europe's transition to this very "New time" was given. Fencing in Britain with its legendary "workhouses" is not a pound of raisins at all, and after the religious wars, Germany was actually unusable for a very long time ...

"New life is not given to anyone for free ..."

So all the arguments that the West is continuous progress and a high standard of living, to put it mildly, are not entirely correct. The picture is a little more complicated.

The second half of the XNUMXth century was the apotheosis of the superiority of the West over the rest of the world, but even then, not so many countries could be included in this beautiful concept of "West". In fact: England, Germany, USA, France. Austria-Hungary - rather, no longer. But Belgium or Holland - of course, yes.

But in any case, there were not so many of these "Western countries". The question, most likely, is in the very "fodder base": each prosperous metropolis should have had a lot of colonies. And our planet is not rubber at all ...

And the clash between Germany and Britain was inevitable for this very simple reason. Small metropolitan countries for their normal functioning needed colonies tens of times larger than them.

It's like a "small" thermal power plant needs a very large reservoir next to it. And the colonies were "turned on" not because it was "cool", not to paint geographical maps in "their" colors, but out of strict necessity. Accelerated industrialization and scientific and technological development meant colonialism, otherwise there was no other way. These very phenomena represent whole, and one is unthinkable without the other.

That is, without these very "outrages" and mass murders, the technical breakthrough in England and France was unattainable purely theoretically. It is impossible to separate one from the other, no matter how hard you try. As the saying goes, "you can't fry an omelet without breaking the eggs." All those who curse Stalin's industrialization somehow sweetly forget about industrialization in the future "workshop of the world" and the price at which it was given to the "free Britons".

Karl Marx, you say? Well, yes, it was he who described the apotheosis of the very outrage that was happening in Britain at that time. One may or may not laugh at "predicting the future, according to Marx", but he did the "sketch" of the apotheosis of the industrial revolution in a given country quite accurately. More precisely, there is nowhere. Everything is very simple: the creation of a high-tech of that time - a heavy industry, required monstrous means: it was necessary to enslave various Indians, Irish and British poor.

Victorian industrialization was no less brutal than Stalin's. Could it be otherwise?

That is, in fact, "complete colonization of the entire planet" and the First World War were an inevitable consequence of that very industrial revolution ... Such things, no one is to blame. it not "Random set of events." This means that there is no need for "war songs" about the fact that there was some "high" Western civilization with powerful technology, science, culture ... And then suddenly that very August 1914 happened ...

And the Second World War was a consequence of the First World War, and it also became very, very not accidental ... That is, before sincerely admiring the West, one must take into account that the very two world ones are a product of the political / economic activity of the most developed countries, oriented precisely towards the Western model. Such as: Germany, Britain, USA, Japan and France.

An attempt to accuse, for example, the Russian Empire of the same degree of responsibility for the outbreak of the First World War, as the German Empire, looks very strange. And the point here is not at all in high morality. Relatively poor and technically backward Russia (in comparison with Germany) could only fight for survival, but not for the repartition of the world in its favor. I understand: it is sad and insulting for the patriots and fans of the Russian Empire, but everything was exactly that way, and nothing else ...

The same applies to 1939 and the Second World War: Stalin tried to save the USSR (it did not work out very well), and by no means to conquer Europe. All myths and fables about this ignore the simple fact of the poverty and backwardness of the 1939 USSR. "But if they had a short-barreled", that is, democracy ... Then the "Barbarossa" plan would be simply superfluous.

Spur on a platter


Once again for hurray-patriots: the real positions of the Russian Empire and the USSR at the beginning of the world wars looked rather doubtful, and the question was raised not about the capture of someone else's, but about the salvation of one's own. How much Nicholas II and Stalin succeeded in this - you can read about this today in books on stories our homeland. The author, on the other hand, looks at things quite pessimistically.

Russia was not so much a participant in the two world wars as a victim of them.

The clash between Germany and England led to the First World War, the clash between the United States and England - to the Second World War ... The Russian Empire / USSR could take absolutely any position - the main "actors" in the international arena were completely different countries. I understand: insulting, insulting, but that's how it was.

The historical truth is that the blame for the two worlds lies with the most developed countries of the planet at a time, such as Germany, the USA and England. Franz Josef's Austria-Hungary, Mussolini's Italy or Hirohito's Japan are less important players. That is, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, but it was the Yankees who were to blame for the war? That's right, my dear ones.

America became a superpower and the most developed and influential state on the planet precisely in the course of two world wars, and not in the course of peaceful "socialist competition." Could, in principle, defeat Germany, and Britain could have survived in certain situations (although the chances, frankly, are not very high).

But in any case, the two world meat grinders are an attempt by the leading Western powers to find out who is in charge on the planet, and not a "clash of everyone with everyone", as they sometimes like to portray in history books, publishing endless lists of disorderly events around the planet, as well as countries -participants.

Following the logic of "general confrontation", we and Ethiopia can be registered as "inciters and organizers." The lists of participants in both world wars are impressive, but, as we understand, all sorts of "Antigua and Barbuda" there were of very little importance.

Russia mattered somewhat more, but it didn’t pull the “superpredator”. Both crimes and the ruin of the two worlds are precisely the "zone of responsibility" of the most developed countries of the West. Without their active participation, two massacres could not take place in any way. Do not put Thailand and the United States on the same rung.

You know, you can endlessly dream of some kind of expansion and even some kind of world domination, but it would be nice to assess the material possibilities for such a leap. So, neither the Russian Empire of the 1914 model, nor the USSR of the 1939 model had such opportunities.

Neither Stalin nor Nicholas II had any reason to start a world war for the simple reason that there were very few chances to win (that is, to ensure a world better than the pre-war), and to take advantage of the victory - even less (and so it happened).

That is, roughly speaking, "they", that is, the people of the West, do not act like that out of malice, they simply do not know how to act differently, simply because their model of civilization does not imply any other option for action.

At one time in feudal Britain there was such a multi-valued custom: when supplies in the castle ran out, its mistress served her husband a spur on a platter, as if with a hint that it was time to go to France.
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  1. +15
    13 September 2021 18: 19
    The clash between Germany and England led to the First World War, the clash between the United States and England led to the Second World War ...

    About the reasons for the Second World War, the author clearly reported it.
    1. +5
      13 September 2021 18: 24
      About the reasons for the Second World War, the author clearly reported

      Before the beginning of Germany's "activity", in the 20s and 30s, there was a very strong confrontation between Britain and the United States. The young state tried to throw the decrepit British Empire to the sidelines
      1. +11
        13 September 2021 18: 46
        Before the beginning of Germany's "activity", in the 20s and 30s, there was a very strong confrontation between Britain and the United States. The young state tried to throw the decrepit British Empire to the sidelines

        The British-American contradictions in the interwar years have nothing to do with the causes of World War II.
      2. +9
        13 September 2021 18: 56
        Quote: Luminman
        The young state tried to throw the decrepit British Empire to the sidelines

        Please continue. Tell us what this "young state" did for this, what actions it took. How, then, did it "throw to the sidelines" Britain, so much so that it led to WW2?
        1. +3
          13 September 2021 19: 47
          How did it throw Britain over to the sidelines?

          If you studied in a Soviet school, then in the history textbook it was written about Wilson's 14 points, about naval disarmaments and about the League of Nations, which gave a strong blow to the European imperialists - England and France. Well, it continued already during the war, when Roosevelt demanded from Churchill to grant independence to India. Plus, the constant demands of the Americans to admit their merchants to the British colonies
      3. 0
        13 September 2021 19: 23
        Before the beginning of Germany's "activity", in the 20s and 30s, there was a very strong confrontation between Britain and the United States. The young state tried to throw the decrepit British Empire to the sidelines


        The British-American contradictions in the interwar years have nothing to do with the causes of World War II.


        Great, now attention, question:
        Who brought Hitler to power in Germany
        and WHO financed the revival and rearmament of the German army?

        in the 33rd - Germany is bankrupt with millions of unemployed and hungry and without an army
        in the 39th has a powerful army, aviation, builds battleships ...
        and the German workers eat their fill
        there are no unemployed at all
        What miracles ???
        1. +5
          13 September 2021 19: 26
          Quote: Olezhek
          Who brought Hitler to power in Germany
          and WHO financed the revival and rearmament of the German army?

          This is your claim for powerful analytics?
          You are late. Samsonov has long staked out this garden
          1. -6
            13 September 2021 19: 30
            .Samsonov staked out this garden for a long time


            WWII history or what?
            By the way, the questions were asked a long time ago and not by me.
            And not Samsonov
            And these questions have a place to be without me with Samsonov ... request
            1. +7
              13 September 2021 19: 34
              Yes ... but the pathos is purely Samsonian. As well as sensational answer.
            2. +1
              13 September 2021 21: 33
              To answer these "questions" you do not need to read the inscriptions on the Internet fences. You can start with Shearer, for a start ..
        2. -1
          13 September 2021 19: 47
          Hitler was brought to power by Hindenburg, making him Chancellor of Germany in January 1933, and after Hindenburg's death in 1934, Hitler became Chancellor of Germany.
          1. 0
            14 September 2021 07: 52
            It was not Hindenburg who brought Hitler to power. Ginbenburg is just a talking head. Hitler was brought to power by German industrialists who were vitally interested in the struggle against the Social Democrats and the gains of the November Revolution of 1918. Without the support of such giants as Krupp, I.G. Farben would have seen Hitler in power just like any other Austrian artist
            1. +3
              14 September 2021 08: 03
              Well, under capitalism it happens - the richest people stand behind every leader of the State. It's like in the Russian Federation like Yeltsin made Putin his "successor", but in reality, Putin was chosen by oligarchs and "liberals".
        3. +5
          13 September 2021 19: 51
          and now attention, the question:

          Are you trying to compete with Yakubovich? Then you are not here.
          Better point by point - in one column British - American contradictions, in the second - their impact on the beginning of the Second World War, step by step.
        4. 0
          13 September 2021 22: 03
          Who brought Hitler to power in Germany


          Here's a pretty good one:
          https://golovin1970.livejournal.com/131332.html?
      4. -1
        13 September 2021 20: 28
        Before the beginning of Germany's "activity", in the 20s and 30s, there was a very strong confrontation between Britain and the United States. The young state tried to throw the decrepit British Empire to the sidelines

        Only the Rockefellers fought with the Rothschilds)))
    2. +2
      13 September 2021 19: 16
      The author missed one point. The FRS was created in 1913, and the PMV began a year later, because the "office" was clearly cramped within the United States.
      But the dollar never became a world currency, but after WWII it even replaced the gold equivalent.
      As for the "competitors." After WWI, FOUR Empires disappeared from the map. Germany, Austria and Turkey turned into almost third world countries. Bolshevik Russia arose.
      Hopes for the exploitation of its subsoil in parallel with the DISTRIBUTION collapsed ..
      They began to invest money in Hitler and his party immediately after Trotsky was expelled, for they could no longer count on an internal "revolution" ..
    3. 0
      13 September 2021 19: 28
      About the reasons for the Second World War, the author clearly reported it.


      Yes .. it was a quiet Wall Street night, but a tipsy Herr Schicklgruber suddenly fell out of a Munich pub.
      and on the remains of little things in his pockets he unleashed a world conflict ...
      Nobody expected ...
      a terrible man was this bohemian corporal
      1. +1
        14 September 2021 00: 46
        At one time, a certain Vladimir Ulyanov, a still popular place, this pub, sprang out of the same pub, and he also did business on a grand scale. The lack of personal money did not become a hindrance to him either.
    4. +2
      13 September 2021 19: 29
      Quote: Undecim

      About the reasons for the Second World War, the author clearly reported

      As in the First, however, France was much more active. The case of the venerable postmaster Ivan Kuzmich Shpekin is immortal
    5. -2
      13 September 2021 20: 01
      Well, I don’t know, in my opinion, Liddell Garth read in black and white that WWII was launched by the United States with the aim of deribaning the British Empire .. And he is the official historiographer of the crown, not a damn thing .. So - such an assessment was born just in England like the injured party.
      1. +5
        13 September 2021 20: 24
        Well, I don’t know, in my opinion I read it from Liddell Garth

        "In your opinion", in this case, it is unconvincing, it is better to quote the aforementioned BH Liddell Hart.
        1. -4
          13 September 2021 21: 03
          Schaz - a loman to search through all his books in all sources in order to immediately fulfill your instructions .. bully Allow jogging? soldier
          1. +4
            13 September 2021 21: 30
            "I congratulate you, citizen, you have lied!"
          2. +7
            13 September 2021 21: 52
            Allow jogging?

            Yes, there is no need to run anywhere, and so everything is clear.
    6. +1
      15 September 2021 19: 38
      No no no! And so it was. You just don't know.
  2. +3
    13 September 2021 18: 29
    How long can you write that "the West is to blame for everything"? Let's already agree with this, hug and save space on the pages for something more interesting.
    1. -4
      13 September 2021 19: 24
      How long can you write that "the West is to blame for everything"?


      a little not about that article. request
  3. +8
    13 September 2021 18: 36
    Uh, it’s like a short course in political economy, but the author was a bit carried away.The same goes for 1939 and World War II: Stalin tried to save the USSR (it didn't work out very well) Just Stalin did it! And after Stalin's death, the compadors came.
    1. -4
      13 September 2021 19: 25
      Just Stalin did it!


      There, half of the country was burned and almost all adult men were killed ...
      So so expansion ...
      1. +4
        13 September 2021 19: 47
        Quote: Olezhek
        Just Stalin did it!


        There, half of the country was burned and almost all adult men were killed ...
        So so expansion ...

        Well, since you started writing on this topic, it would be nice to study the issue. Namely, how and why the USSR began to carry out industrialization. Yes, many died, but we remained as a country, as a nation, we defended our right to life.
        1. -4
          13 September 2021 19: 51
          Namely, how and why the USSR began to carry out industrialization. Yes, many died, but we remained as a country, as a nation, we defended our right to life.


          Well, did the USSR have any chances of expansion in 1939 ??
          1. +5
            13 September 2021 20: 02
            Quote: Olezhek
            Well, did the USSR have any chances of expansion in 1939 ??

            My God ... what was the USSR doing from August 1939 to 1941? Finland, Baltic States, Poland, Moldova
            1. +2
              13 September 2021 20: 47
              and what was the USSR doing from August 1939 to 1941 Finland, the Baltic States, Poland, Moldova

              This is not an expansion, but an ordinary cross-border showdown ...
              Germany, Italy and Japan - this is where the word "expansion" comes in.
            2. +2
              14 September 2021 11: 27
              The buffer zone was created. What kind of expansion is there.
          2. +2
            13 September 2021 20: 05
            Just in the 39th they were significantly higher .. I strongly doubt that the Wehrmacht of this year of the spill would have been able to effectively resist the then Red Army ..
            1. -4
              13 September 2021 20: 16
              My God ... what was the USSR doing from August 1939 to 1941? Finland, Baltic States, Poland, Moldova


              I strongly doubt that the Wehrmacht of this year of the spill would have been able to effectively resist the then Red Army ..


              But in June 41, a lot became clear ... in every sense.
              1. +4
                13 September 2021 20: 20
                Because Nemchura and I found ourselves in the opposite phase of rearmament .. For the USSR, it was profitable to enter the war either in 1939 or around 1943 .. But Aloizievich, alas, understood this no worse than ours. So I used the window of opportunity. Why and why is already a separate question ..
                1. +4
                  13 September 2021 21: 43
                  Quote: paul3390
                  USSR - it was profitable to enter the war either in 1939 or around 1943 ..

                  In 1939, in fact, they entered, did not collide for a number of reasons and talents. And even then, not in 1943, but in May 1942.
                  Quote: paul3390
                  But Aloizievich, alas, understood this no worse than ours. So I used the window of opportunity

                  As the winter of 41 and January 43 showed, I didn't really understand. The attack on the Union was a gamble from the very beginning for Germany.
                  Well, I have already written about the causes of the catastrophe for the Red Army in the summer campaign of 41. The main advantage was in command and control of troops, the experience of conducting joint large operations by the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe, the advanced tactics of breaking through fortified areas - air strike + artillery preparation + mech. a strike with a breakthrough to the operational depth and the ability of tank groups to operate in the depths of the rear, crushing the enemy's control and materiel in isolation from their own rear support (the advantage of communications is here). In addition, the Germans skillfully used the operational transfer and concentration of the most combat-ready line units and reserves in the directions of their attacks, providing a multiple advantage in the breakthrough zone over the enemy.
                  As soon as the Red Army mastered this tactic by the end of 1943, practice showed that the USSR was capable of conducting major offensive operations on a previously unseen scale. I don't see the antiphase of rearmament as a factor
                2. -1
                  13 September 2021 22: 08
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Because Nemchur and I got into the opposite phase of rearmament ..

                  The Wehrmacht was ready for war against the USSR by May 1941. Egorov's article touches on an interesting topic, only not the "clash between the United States and England" was the cause of World War II, but a new pole of power that appeared on the planet, independent of the West - socialism, the Soviet Union, which is rapidly gaining strength and global influence. To eliminate the mortal rival, the "antidote" of communism, Nazism, was created, and from the defeated earlier Germany, the anti-USSR, the Third Reich.

                  For the necessary potential, Hitler was actually given first Austria and Czechoslovakia, and against the background of the "strange war" further and most of Europe. By the way, the Germans got the trophies near Dunkirk, when Hitler allowed the British to take their feet to the island.

                  Neither Stalin nor Nicholas II had any reason to start a world war for the simple reason that there were very few chances to win (that is, to ensure a world better than the pre-war), and to take advantage of the victory - even less (and so it happened).

                  This author strongly betrayed ... The fact that Nicholas II was no emperor, and did not see beyond his wife's skirt, this is one thing, but Stalin just had great views on world influence, the creation of a bloc of socialist countries, a space and nuclear superpower, this is historical reality, after the victory over the protege of the Anglo-Saxons, Hitler.

                  Why did the pogrom of 1941 happen ... There was no need to see an "ally" in the German National Socialist Party, to conclude treaties with Hitler that did not give us anything, no delay, Germany would not start a war against the USSR in 1939, there was not yet the necessary military and economic potential. Hitler and France with England would have defeated in 1939, but Germany was not fattened for that.

                  The Second World Pole collapsed after 1991, now we have a unipolar world, with one world master, in his world "casino" of capitalism, where no one leaves with a big win, the one who created this "casino" and the rules for himself wins ... Europe under the Anglo-Saxons, Germany and Japan are still actually occupied by the United States.
                  China is the world's counterfeit factory, where transnational monopolies are making huge amounts of money. A new, eastern "antipode" to Russia is maturing on our Far Eastern borders, where the Chinese "national communists" are also allowed to pump up power.

                  Yes, you can puff out your cheeks, but at the pole of capitalism we can only eat up the Soviet margin of safety, threatening the owners with a fist for the rating, with whom our moneybags, the masters of Russia, keep their money. Not to create any "parallel capitalism" in a foreign system, for a real "multipolar world", it is necessary either to revive the independent socialist pole, or to occupy the world throne of capitalism ourselves. In this, the project "USSR 2.0" is even less fantastic than Russia with its oligarch brothers, as a real contender for world leadership in capitalism.
                  1. +1
                    14 September 2021 15: 38
                    It is not clear, the author writes that the USSR wanted to expand its space. For what? The USSR has never been an imperialist country with the aim of conquering other countries. The USSR has enough territory, and this angers the West from the very beginning to this day. Now the West is using this territory, and the authorities are convincing the people that this is all Russian.
                    1. 0
                      18 September 2021 04: 10
                      Quote: zenion
                      It is not clear, the author writes that the USSR wanted to expand its space. For what? The USSR has never been an imperialist country with the aim of conquering other countries.

                      Have you seen the 1937 movie "The Great Citizen"? Recommend. There, both the preparation and justification of the purges (which at the time of filming had not yet been deployed). And about the coming new war, after which new socialist republics (including within the USSR) and countries will appear.
                      The fact that Stalin put forward the slogan "building socialism in one country" in opposition to Trotsky during the political struggle for influence does not mean at all that as a communist and Marxist he did not understand the need to expand the area of ​​socialist countries as much as possible. Even Marx wrote that communism (the term socialism Marx used little) will win only if the transition to it occurs almost simultaneously in the largest developed countries. And the Bolsheviks very much hoped for a revolution in Germany and waited for it until the early 30s.
          3. 0
            14 September 2021 11: 42
            The expansion of the West had purely economic roots. What "economic roots" does the USSR have? To supply a Fordson tractor to Africa in exchange for coconuts?
            It's not about chances, it's about motivation, and only private business can have it.
            1. 0
              14 September 2021 11: 47
              And the export of ideas, revolutions in the end.
              1. +1
                14 September 2021 11: 52
                This is not expansion in the sense that the author puts it into the article. After all, he draws parallels with Western expansion, and revolutions with all sorts of false ideas - "this is different."
                What is the use of this for the expansionist? If not economic, then what kind? Free the oppressed workers of Chile? Help the starving Tutsis? A moral need to do good?
                This is not an expansion, it is called differently! Expansion is almost always (in the past) the forceful subordination of sources of raw materials and the seizure of sales markets.
                Otherwise, nakoy?
                1. 0
                  14 September 2021 16: 14
                  Quote: sash-sash
                  This is not expansion in the sense that the author puts it into the article.

                  The author can invest anything, but expansion is "a territorial, geographic or other extension of the habitat, or zone of influence of a separate state, people, culture or biological species."
                  What is the general article about, in which two topics run like a red thread. First, two world wars are the inevitability of an "industrial revolution", like, I'm not like that, life is like that. Second, the author places tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union on the same level. Literally in the text.
                  Once again for hurray-patriots: the real positions of the Russian Empire and the USSR at the beginning of the world wars looked rather dubious, and the question was raised not about the capture of someone else's, but about the salvation of one's own. How much Nicholas II and Stalin succeeded in this - you can read about this today in books on the history of our Motherland. The author, on the other hand, looks at things quite pessimistically.

                  I wonder what chances the author sees in today's Russia, has his pessimism towards the role of Russia already dried up in this?

                  We must understand that industrialization is not a pretext for war, but the struggle for world domination. Industrialization is only a means to achieve technical superiority. This is precisely the difference between socialism and capitalism, where one creates for peace, the other develops for war, plunder and profits. Actually, the world capitalist system is a grandiose pyramid, which needs expansion at the expense of new colonies for prosperity, without this a "great depression", a crisis, from which there is only one way out, again war.

                  Capitalism has outlived its usefulness, only new wars and instability give it fuel, which is what the United States, as a leader, is now doing all over the world. The main positive of capitalism, competition, turns into fiction as soon as transnational monopolies have taken shape. In addition, external competition with socialism has also disappeared. Consumer morality and the cult of money lead society to degradation. Even without speaking of morality, purely technically, corporations do not need better quality goods, since goods must be constantly sold, for this their shelf life is deliberately limited. So, after a certain period of time, completely not old refrigerators and washing machines die, the soles of boots fall apart ... It's all about lamenting about overpopulation, where capitalism itself is the main culprit in the consumption of resources, and this is not about industrialization.
                2. 0
                  14 September 2021 20: 54
                  Well, these types of expansion remained in the 1939th century, the last attempt was 1945-XNUMX. And Russia in these races of expansion took not the last place. And the so-called "west" has long been engaged in the expansion of ideas. It is hard to believe that there were any economic motives in Afghanistan. There is oil in Iraq, but looking at the costs of this operation, it is clear that no resources of this country will ever pay for this invasion. Or Yugoslavia, until now, probably billions of humanitarian aid go there.
  4. +3
    13 September 2021 18: 53
    And I liked it. In any case, it is not often possible to read about the difference in the understanding of the factors of history by "hurray-patriots" and specialists.
    And the author's inventions can be treated as you like and from any "bell tower". Actually, the author started with this message.
    Let me add: I am categorically opposed to history being taught and told as a true and objective science to "housewives-hurray-patriots." Enough with them and the patriotic jingoistic propaganda proclamation. Otherwise, the truth can be "poisoned". An untrained mind can direct the actions of the hands in the wrong direction under the pressure of information.
  5. +5
    13 September 2021 19: 05
    Samsonov started to read, thought Samsonov, and read to the end, it turned out to be Yegorov. "Samsonov regiment" arrived. smile
    1. +3
      13 September 2021 19: 23
      Yes, no, immediately the language is not Samson's, there is no such pressure and confidence. wink
  6. +1
    13 September 2021 19: 20
    sad and insulting for patriots and fans of the Russian Empire

    Yes, there are no fans of the Republic of Ingushetia, there are only criminals and enemies of their country and people, who, in order to justify their capture of the USSR with the aim of robbing the country and the people, created the anti-Soviet myth "how everything was wonderful before the communists."
    And they also created two opposite anti-Soviet myths that Stalin believed Hitler and did not prepare for the war, and that Stalin was so well prepared for the war that he wanted to attack Germany, but Hitler got ahead of him and attacked the USSR.
    1. -5
      13 September 2021 19: 42
      Yes, there are no RI fans


      There is! and their name is legion! hi
      1. 0
        13 September 2021 19: 43
        Ha, list the categories of these people.
    2. -6
      13 September 2021 20: 05
      Stalin did not believe Hitler, but he did everything starting from the 37th, which undermined the combat readiness of the army and ultimately resulted in the catastrophe of the 41st when almost 70% of the personnel and equipment of the Red Army were lost. And how the RSFSR was robbed under the USSR when they hung 14 republics around their necks, develop at our expense and chic on our subsidies and in the 60s another 120 rogue countries threw in the appendage for thanks and barter that didn’t pay off all that we supplied to them but from ourselves almost everyone was equally poor.
      1. +1
        13 September 2021 20: 19
        The enemies of the communists do not even understand the meaning of their anti-Soviet methodology. According to your delusional logic, if Putin fired Serdyukov and several other people from the highest echelons of power in the army, then Putin "decapitated" the Russian army.
        And thanks for another proof that it was you, the enemies of the communists, who dismembered the USSR.
        1. 0
          14 September 2021 07: 18
          Quote: tatra
          According to your delusional logic, if Putin fired Serdyukov and several other people from the highest echelons of power in the army, then Putin "decapitated" the Russian army.

          A little bit wrong - in translation into the present "Putin fired Serdyukov, all the generals, most of the colonels and some of the majors."
          After that, in the realities of the USSR, Rychagov, the day before yesterday's lieutenant, began to command aviation ...
      2. -4
        13 September 2021 20: 35
        Stalin did not believe in Hitler


        He didn't trust anyone.
    3. +5
      13 September 2021 20: 16
      Well - the fact that the next war was inevitable became clear immediately after WWI .. For that - did not resolve the main contradictions of the bourgeoisie. Consequently - the second round was inevitable .. But in what composition - the question was open .. The same England - could easily fall on the USSR in an alliance with Germany .. All the prerequisites for this were there, and Comrade Stalin clearly understood this.

      We all know how desperately we tried to avoid provocations before the war. They just played giveaway - everything was so strict. But here the question is - who was Comrade Stalin so afraid to provoke? Practice has shown that if the parties are not ready for a major conflict, even firing on the border does not lead to war. An example is our relationship with Japan, Khalkhin-Gol is the same ..

      And if a country decides to go to war - nothing can hold it back, one hell of a reason will find. From this it follows that to give this reason - they were not afraid at all to Aloizievich. He has already shown that he can easily organize the occasion himself.

      Then who? There is only one answer - England. For in the event of our alleged attack, she could easily go to peace with Germany, for the sake of participating in the deriban of Russia .. She is big, there would be enough for everyone .. But in England there is no democracy, which means that she needed a pretext for such feint .. Here is this pretext - Iosif Vissarionovich apparently gave and was afraid .. In order to avoid the type of a crusade of the united West against sworn Bolshevism ..
      1. +3
        13 September 2021 21: 07
        Quote: paul3390
        Well, the fact that the next war was inevitable became clear right after WWI.

        wake me up or my great-great-grandson any night with the question "can the next war be avoided?"
        I will answer “no!” without opening my eyes and I’ll be right every time.
        1. -1
          14 September 2021 11: 51
          If there is a big war, it is unlikely that you (and I) will have a great-great-grandson.
          1. +1
            14 September 2021 16: 00
            Quote: burger
            If there is a big war, it is unlikely that you (and I) will have a great-great-grandson.

            we say - We survived the Pharaoh, we will survive that too. drinks
            1. -1
              14 September 2021 19: 48
              No, you won't.
              1. 0
                15 September 2021 11: 55
                Quote: burger
                No, you won't.


                I disagree with you, but I will not persuade you. I only process this:

                However, all theories are worth one another. There is one among them, according to which each will be given according to his faith. May it come true!

                Woland

                1. -1
                  15 September 2021 13: 01
                  I don’t believe that a big war is waking up. It makes no sense. You believe. Better to let it be according to my faith.
      2. +1
        13 September 2021 21: 56
        Quote: paul3390
        The same England - could easily fall on the USSR in alliance with Germany .. All the prerequisites for this were

        There were no prerequisites.
    4. 0
      13 September 2021 21: 48
      And they also created two opposite anti-Soviet myths that Stalin believed Hitler and did not prepare for the war, and that Stalin was so well prepared for the war that he wanted to attack Germany, but Hitler got ahead of him and attacked the USSR.

      Then tell us the unreasonable: so what is the truth?
    5. -2
      14 September 2021 07: 15
      Quote: tatra
      there are only criminals and enemies of their country and people who, in order to justify their capture of the USSR with the aim of robbing the country and people

      Are you talking about the communists who did all this?
  7. -4
    13 September 2021 21: 06
    The author of the article turns everything upside down. They say poor Russia is not at all to blame for the outbreak of world wars, they say it is just a victim. I will not talk about the Second World War yet, but the first one began like this: as a result of the Sarajevo assassination, Austria Hungary attacked Serbia. And then the Russian volunteers immediately went to fight in Serbia, and Nicholas II announced mobilization and wanted to attack Austria-Hungary. A million Russian soldiers were ready to start a war. And then Germany threatened Russia that if she does not stop mobilization, then Germany will also prepare for war. But Russia continued its actions and then Germany also announced mobilization, as a result of which WWI began. So you shouldn't imagine RI as an innocent victim attacked by Germany.
    1. -4
      13 September 2021 21: 17
      And then Germany threatened Russia that if she does not stop mobilization, then Germany will also prepare for war. But Russia continued its actions and then Germany also announced mobilization, as a result of which WWI began.


      You kind of study that hottest summer in a little more detail ..
      In general, WWI did not happen because of Serbia.
      1. -3
        13 September 2021 22: 22
        Quote: Olezhek
        In general, WWI did not happen because of Serbia.

        Is the dream of the straits "different"?
        1. -1
          14 September 2021 07: 18
          Quote: burger
          Is the dream of the straits "different"?

          On the night of October 29, 1914, without declaring war, two Turkish destroyers entered the Odessa harbor, sank the Russian gunboat Donets, and a little later, Goeben bombed Sevastopol, despite the presence of the entire Russian fleet there, and sank the minelayer. On the morning of October 30, 1914, the cruisers Breslau and Gaminde fired at Novorossiysk and Feodosia, mined the Kerch Strait and sank several ships.
          So who attacked whom?
          1. 0
            18 September 2021 04: 21
            The fact that the Turkish fleet (Turkey is an ally of Germany) under the leadership of a German admiral did not at all negate the fact that the Russian Empire also followed its imperialist interests.
            As for WWI, it all started formally because of Gabriel Princip and Ferdinand. So it was not without Serbia. As for the rest, of course - "no one wanted war, it was inevitable."
            1. 0
              18 September 2021 07: 28
              Quote: ratcatcher
              The fact that the Turkish fleet (Turkey is an ally of Germany) under the leadership of a German admiral did not at all negate the fact that the Russian Empire also followed its imperialist interests.

              That is, Turkey attacked, but Russia is to blame? Well then, in WWII, not Hitler, but Stalin is to blame.
              1. 0
                18 September 2021 23: 57
                By the time of the Turkish attack under the leadership of German generals, Russia was already in a war relationship with Germany, and Turkey was an ally of Germany. At the same time, Germany declared war in response to the mobilization in Russia, and Russia declared mobilization in response to the Austrian attack on Serbia. Of course, when you are sitting in a powder keg, you can declare the guilty one6 who first kicked out the spark. But all the participants filled the barrel with gunpowder.
                As for Stalin, the USSR proceeded from the inevitability of a new war in Europe. Another question is that he did not want its occurrence at a specific moment, which was convenient for Hitler. Also, at one time, Japan attacked the United States. And to Russia in the first Russian-Japanese - delay would mean inevitable defeat for them. And so they had a chance. But the attacker is legally guilty ...
                1. 0
                  19 September 2021 07: 09
                  Quote: ratcatcher
                  By the time of the Turkish attack under the leadership of German generals, Russia was already in a war relationship with Germany, and Turkey was an ally of Germany.
                  That is, Turkey has declared war.
                  Quote: ratcatcher
                  Of course, when you are sitting in a powder keg, you can declare guilty the one who first kicked out the spark. But all the participants filled the barrel with gunpowder.
                  But the Russian tsar was the only one who, to the last, tried to convince the Kaiser to do without war.
                  Quote: ratcatcher
                  As for Stalin, the USSR proceeded from the inevitability of a new war in Europe.
                  AND? He was preparing for war, so let's blame him too.
                  1. 0
                    1 October 2021 21: 56
                    "That is, Turkey has declared war."
                    That is, Russia also really wanted a war with Turkey. "After the raid operation in the Black Sea, letters of apology were sent to Russia on behalf of the Ottoman government, but an ultimatum was issued by Great Britain and Russia to expel German representatives from Turkey, which was impracticable for the Ottoman side. On November 2, Russia declared war on Turkey." It was announced, by the way, without the consent of the allies. Because England and France would not really like Russia to lay claim to the Straits. And Russia was counting on this.
                    "But the Russian tsar was the only one who until the last tried to convince the Kaiser to do without war."
                    At the same time, the Russian tsar did not agree to cancel the mobilization in order to prevent a war with Germany, because he was still going to fight with Austria-Hungary. So to say "I didn't want to".
                    By the way, the same Russian tsar in 1905 signed an allied agreement with Germany, and then took and revoked the signature under pressure from England, France and part of his government.
                    "And? He was preparing for war, so let's blame him too."
                    I wrote above. Review the 1937 propaganda film The Great Citizen. They prepared for the war and considered it as inevitable and capable of benefiting the USSR.
                    1. 0
                      1 October 2021 23: 12
                      Quote: ratcatcher
                      That is, Russia also really wanted a war with Turkey. “After the raid operation in the Black Sea, letters of apology were sent to Russia on behalf of the Ottoman government, but an ultimatum was issued by Great Britain and Russia to expel German representatives from Turkey, which was impracticable for the Ottoman side.

                      That is, Russia is attacked, a naval base of a hostile state is organized near its borders, and she is to blame. If Turkey did not want war, it would have kicked the Germans out.
                      Quote: ratcatcher
                      At the same time, the Russian tsar did not agree to cancel the mobilization in order to prevent a war with Germany, because

                      Neither AB nor Germany was going to do this, and mobilization in relatively compact territories was much easier and faster than in RI with its vast territories.
                      Quote: ratcatcher
                      They prepared for the war and considered it as inevitable and capable of benefiting the USSR.

                      That is, you say that Stalin was preparing to attack Hitler and the latter simply preempted his actions?
                      1. +1
                        2 October 2021 15: 27
                        Quote: Dart2027

                        That is, you say that Stalin was preparing to attack Hitler and the latter simply preempted his actions?

                        No, I am arguing that the war was inevitable and expected. And in contrast to modern formalists, many people understood this at that time.
                        Poems by Pavel Kogan 1939:
                        "In the name of the planet we
                        They recaptured by the sea,
                        Beaten off from the blood
                        Repulsed from stupidity and winter,
                        In the name of the XNUMX war ... "

                        As for Turkey, you are engaged in formalist demagoguery. I've already written everything. And about “If Turkey didn’t want war, it would have put the Germans out,” I will answer in your formalist spirit - if Russia didn’t want war, it would have stopped mobilization. Doesn't the answer fit?) The war was objectively on the threshold, and then the circumstances were developing exactly this way, and not otherwise. Russia did not cancel mobilization precisely because it was going to fight. This was what England and France wanted from her, Russia herself wanted this, although, as in the case of the 41st year, the war began earlier than expected and the troops were not ready, under-formed, rearmament was not over. And she also wanted a war with Turkey, she wanted the straits, although Turkey set herself up thanks to the Germans. Nevertheless, Turkey could not expel the German allies just as much as Russia did not fulfill its obligations to Britain and France.
                      2. 0
                        2 October 2021 16: 06
                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        No, I am arguing that the war was inevitable and expected.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        AND? He was preparing for war, so let's blame him too.

                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        As for Turkey, you are engaged in formalist demagoguery. I've already written everything.

                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        And about “If Turkey didn’t want war, it would have put the Germans out,” I will answer in your formalist spirit - if Russia didn’t want war, it would have stopped mobilization.
                        That is, there is nothing to say? Turkey allowed the navy of the state at war with Russia into its territory and refused to expel it after they attacked Russia, using it as their base.
                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        Russia did not cancel mobilization precisely because

                        it was not canceled by either AB or Germany.
                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        Nevertheless, Turkey could not expel the German allies in the same way as Russia did not fulfill its obligations to Britain and France.

                        https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B0_II_%D0%B8_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%8F_II_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B
                        We read the correspondence between the tsar and the kaiser. Please show me there France and England.
                      3. 0
                        2 October 2021 21: 17
                        [quote = Dart2027] [quote = ratcatcher] No, I am arguing that war was inevitable and expected. [/ quote]
                        [quote = Dart2027] And? He was preparing for war, so let's blame him too. [/ Quote]
                        I wrote everything above. Once again - go watch the film "The Great Citizen" in 1936 and finally perhaps understand with what mood they were waiting for the future war.
                        And event-wise - yes, Germany attacked first, having given a very formal declaration of war after its start. This is a historical fact. Legally and morally - the USSR is a victim. But this does not negate the alignments and interests of many parties before the war. If the war on the Western Front lasted a little longer, France and Britain could have carried out the bombardment of the Caucasian fields of the USSR, as they were going to, in order to prevent the supply of oil and fuel to Germany. And in this case, the whole story would have gone differently.
                        [quote = ratcatcher] And about "If Turkey didn’t want war, it would have put the Germans out" I will answer in your formalist spirit - if Russia didn’t want war, it would have stopped mobilization. [/ quote] That is, there is nothing to say? Turkey allowed the navy of the state at war with Russia into its territory and refused to expel it after they attacked Russia, using it as their base. [/ Quote]
                        That is, in your opinion, this somehow cancels Russia's interest in the war over the Straits?) The fact that Turkey committed an act of aggression under German pressure and could not fulfill the requirements is understandable. The reason for the war was completely justified.
                        [quote = ratcatcher] Russia did not cancel mobilization precisely because [/ quote]
                        it was not canceled by either AB or Germany.
                        [quote = ratcatcher] However, Turkey just as could not drive out the German allies, as Russia did not fulfill its obligations to Britain and France. [/ quote]
                        We read the correspondence between the tsar and the kaiser. Please show me there France and England. [/ Quote]
                        That is, you seriously think that the tsar would have written there, “you really don’t fight until we have re-equipped the army, otherwise England and France are forcing me, and I can’t allow Austria-Hungary to undermine our influence in the Balkans?”
                        And what is so surprising about this correspondence, except for the statement of the fact that Russia is going to fight with Austria-Hungary if it attacks Serbia, and Germany is going to fulfill its obligations to her and fight with Russia (Nikolai Wilhelmu - "I understand that you should announce mobilization ")? And also references to the fact that the cabinet is either your own, or the other side is doing something there, I do not quite understand what, while we are here peacefully talking in the spirit of "please, brotherly")
                      4. 0
                        2 October 2021 21: 43
                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        I wrote everything above. Again
                        according to your logic, the one who was attacked is to blame, because he was preparing for the attack.
                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        That is, in your opinion, it somehow cancels Russia's interest in the war over the Straits?
                        Does the fact of the German attack cancel the USSR's interest in the world revolution, which automatically means world war? Your logic.
                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        And what is so surprising about this correspondence, except for the statement of the fact that Russia is going to fight with Austria-Hungary if it attacks Serbia, and Germany is going to fulfill its obligations to her and fight with Russia

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Please show me there France and England.

                        Russia is trying to negotiate without war and does not give a damn about the British and French. It is a fact. Apparently they forgot to tell the tsar that he depends on them in everything.
                      5. 0
                        3 October 2021 14: 02
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        I wrote everything above. Again
                        according to your logic, the one who was attacked is to blame, because he was preparing for the attack.
                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        That is, in your opinion, it somehow cancels Russia's interest in the war over the Straits?
                        Does the fact of the German attack cancel the USSR's interest in the world revolution, which automatically means world war? Your logic.

                        Do not ascribe your logic to me :) I am writing about the fact that the USSR proceeds from the inevitability of war and is actively preparing for it.
                        "The example of the Brest-Litovsk Peace taught us a lot. Currently we are between two enemies. If both of them cannot be defeated, we must be able to position our forces so that they fight among themselves, as always, when two thieves fight, an honest man from this wins, but as soon as we are strong enough to defeat all capitalism, we immediately grab it by the collar. "Lenin
                        France and England looked at Germany from the USSR in the same way.
                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        And what is so surprising about this correspondence, except for the statement of the fact that Russia is going to fight with Austria-Hungary if it attacks Serbia, and Germany is going to fulfill its obligations to her and fight with Russia

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Please show me there France and England.

                        Russia is trying to negotiate without war and does not give a damn about the British and French. It is a fact. Apparently they forgot to tell the tsar that he depends on them in everything.

                        From this correspondence, it can also be concluded that the Kaiser is trying to negotiate without war, but the Tsar does not cancel the mobilization :)
                      6. 0
                        3 October 2021 15: 11
                        Quote: ratcatcher
                        It can also be concluded from this correspondence that the Kaiser is trying to negotiate without war.

                        Please show me where the Kaiser is proposing to bring the case to an international court.
  8. 0
    13 September 2021 21: 29
    That is, without these very "outrages" and mass murders, the technical breakthrough in England and France was unattainable purely theoretically.
    What is this mass murder?
    1. -4
      14 September 2021 07: 14
      That is, without these very "outrages" and mass murders, technical


      Colonization
      1. 0
        14 September 2021 20: 26
        What are you saying?
    2. -2
      14 September 2021 07: 19
      Do you know the expression "the sheep ate people"?
      1. 0
        14 September 2021 20: 28
        And in France too? And will you indulge in statistics of deaths from fencing? It is desirable for a long time period ...
        1. -2
          14 September 2021 20: 58
          Quote: smaug78
          And in France too

          Do you think that there was ceremony with the third estate?
          Quote: smaug78
          And will you indulge in statistics of deaths from fencing?

          During the reign of Henry VIII (1509-1547), 72 thousand people were executed for vagrancy alone.
          1. 0
            15 September 2021 20: 12
            And what does the industrial revolution have to do with it? laughing And what about the victims of fencing over a long period of time? Yes, and with France you are modestly silent ...
            1. -2
              15 September 2021 20: 41
              Quote: smaug78
              And what about the victims of fencing over a long period of time?

              Quote: Dart2027
              During the reign of Henry VIII (1509-1547), 72 thousand people were executed for vagrancy alone.

              Reading problems? It happens.
              Quote: smaug78
              And what does the industrial revolution have to do with it?

              And where did the money for this revolution and labor power come from?
              Quote: smaug78
              Yes, and with France you are modestly silent ...

              http://900igr.net/prezentatsii/istorija/Istorija-Groznogo/019-Vypiski-iz-uchebnika-Istorija-srednikh-vekov-1572-g.-Frantsija.html
              1. 0
                15 September 2021 21: 41
                During the reign of Henry VIII (1509-1547), 72 thousand people were executed for vagrancy alone.
                So how many are the victims of the fencing? How long did the fencing last and when did the industrial revolution start? And what does St. Bartholomew's Night, for which the French repent and the industrial revolution? But go on, your ignorance and pouting cheeks make me laugh laughing
                1. 0
                  16 September 2021 07: 09
                  Quote: smaug78
                  So how many are the victims of the fencing?
                  Again
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Do you know the expression "the sheep ate people"?

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  During the reign of Henry VIII (1509-1547), 72 thousand people were executed for vagrancy alone.

                  Quote: smaug78
                  And what does St. Bartholomew's Night, for which the French repent and the industrial revolution?

                  executed for vagrancy more than 70 thousand people 1558 - 1603
                  Quote: smaug78
                  But go on, your

                  inability to read ignorance and puffy cheeks make me laugh
                  1. 0
                    16 September 2021 20: 54
                    executed for vagrancy more than 70 thousand people 1558 - 1603
                    And what does France have to do with it? I never knew that the Protestants of Paris were executed for vagrancy by Henry VIII.laughing 250 years before the industrial revolution ...
                    So how many are the victims of the fencing? How long did the fencing last and when did the industrial revolution start?
                    I love the hurray victims of the exam ...
                    I strongly advise, less "face about the table" will be ...
                    1. 0
                      16 September 2021 22: 41
                      Quote: smaug78
                      And what does France have to do with it?

                      And you couldn't read the text under the picture?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Reading problems? It happens.

                      Quote: smaug78
                      I love the hurray victims of the exam ...

                      You are self-critical, you can't even read.
                      1. 0
                        17 September 2021 19: 17
                        What is the picture, the victim of the exam? Can you answer the questions? I can't laugh anymore laughing
                      2. 0
                        18 September 2021 07: 29
                        Quote: smaug78
                        What is the picture, the victim of the exam?

                        Follow the link and read the text under the picture, if you know how to read.
                        Quote: smaug78
                        I can't laugh anymore

                        That is, there is nothing to say.
  9. +3
    13 September 2021 21: 33
    There can be two perpendicular approaches to any problem: propaganda and analytical
    One more) No, people cannot be twisted like puppets all the time. And no, sir, you are no better than the others, all the more so. Rather, alas, much more stupid. The more a person is puffed up by his "exclusiveness", the more primitive his intellect, and the more easily he succumbs to the most primitive influence.
    In Russia, to our common misfortune, there is a whole stratum of such people - the intelligentsia is called. Thousands of large (exclusively in their own eyes) persons, blinded by their intellectual power. Which they have no trace. Rave.
  10. 0
    13 September 2021 21: 47
    Colonialism and world wars were not the fault of the West. For the sake of the good of my country and personally of my people - I do not consider it shameful to rob strangers, especially any native rags that missed a chance, lying in bliss under the palm trees, when Europeans worked all day long to improve, simplify life, working hard on progress and technology. Centuries of effort paid off - the Europeans gained a decisive technological superiority over all other peoples.
  11. 0
    13 September 2021 22: 05
    Whether Germany was the "West" back then is a big question. At least the Nazis did not consider themselves, but just opposed themselves to the "decaying" liberal, spiritless, etc. (see today's Russian TV) west.
    1. -4
      14 September 2021 07: 13
      Whether Germany was the "West" back then is a big question.


      In 1914 she was.
      1. 0
        14 September 2021 10: 44
        Well then, RI was the "west".
  12. 0
    13 September 2021 22: 47
    Even the analysis did not see, just slogans, by the way the goals of the Republic of Ingushetia in WWII were offensive, as in fact the USSR before WWII.
  13. 0
    13 September 2021 22: 54
    Article - under cognac for aging history lovers. The question "who is to blame?" in history, they ask only in school textbooks. There it is necessary to "whitewash" national history.
    In reality, the European colonialists and oppressors listed by the author simply created more effective states than African and Asian monarchs. The English people are unlikely to condemn Queen Victoria for creating a colonial empire.
    Even with insufficient resources, the tsars and general secretaries of Russia could force the defeated enemies to pay a dear price. And so - then a parade in Paris, then - echelons with bread to the families of the punishers. Tragic political naivety.
  14. +1
    13 September 2021 23: 38
    Is it possible not to have a "correct" analysis, but as it is ?!
  15. 0
    14 September 2021 01: 15
    Nuclear weapons have slightly changed the way war can be waged. But hybrid forms appeared.
  16. 0
    14 September 2021 10: 49
    That is, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, but it was the Yankees who were to blame for the war? That's right, my dear ones.

    Yes, all the way it was. Consider the US embargo on oil supplies to Japan. If the Japanese had waited 2-3 years, they would have been squeezed economically. Either the Japanese were beating here and now, or there would have been no blow at all.
  17. 0
    3 October 2021 00: 11
    "who was attacked because he was preparing to attack."
    No, it was deduced in their linear logic. And I write that everything is much more complicated than formalist constructions.
    "The fact of the German attack cancels the USSR's interest in the world revolution, which automatically means world war? Your logic."
    Exactly what does not cancel. And simplification is just your logic.
    "Russia is trying to reach an agreement without war and does not give a damn about the British and French. This is a fact. Apparently the tsar was forgotten to say that he depends on them in everything."
    Yea Yea. The king also had a friend and cousin Georg. They also rewrote, chatted and cooed gently. Only when Nikki was thrown off did England not accept him or his family. While the kings of the polity were bred in correspondence, both countries mobilized their armies, and diplomats and governments were preparing for war. As for the failure to mention the main creditors of Russia - before that Nikki had already signed an agreement with Germany, and then tore up under pressure from England, France and his cabinet, which reminded him of this fact. He was so very independent ...
  18. 0
    5 October 2021 00: 43
    Quote: Dart2027
    https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B0_II_%D0%B8_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%8F_II_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B

    Is this your only criterion?) The word court in the submitted correspondence is not mentioned, once. "I have received your telegram and share your desire to establish peace." - writes the Kaiser, two. Stop doing demagoguery :)
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    8 December 2021 10: 29
    If there were no world wars, there would be ordinary ones. The mass of weak principalities is just a non-stop war.

    The USSR did not want to get involved in the war, since they would clearly be tapping on the forehead, but whether it would be possible to improve its position is still a question. Nevertheless, the USSR achieved both a diplomatic and a military victory, and, objectively, WWII, having thrown off the French and Britons, cleared the position of a superpower for the USSR. In general, in the history of Russia, this is not the first case of achieving the status of a superpower, the 18th and early 19th centuries, for example, can also be characterized this way. And this is logical, Russia is on the outskirts of Europe and, on the one hand, it perceives European progress worse, and on the other hand, it was regularly left alone, sorting out among themselves, while in the east, after the elimination of the remnants of the Zoly Horde, Russia has no enemies.

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