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Brave new world. How humanity is being driven into a "digital concentration camp"

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Blade Runner 2049 movie


Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska called on the world to cut consumption. Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu spoke on this topic. The minister said that humanity is on the verge of death due to excessive consumption.

Biosphere catastrophe


In August 2021, the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense Shoigu in an interview with the magazine "Vokrug Sveta" сказал:

“It seems to me that mankind is heading for its own destruction by leaps and bounds. And the reason for this is the unbridled desire to consume. "

Therefore, it is necessary to end the "crazy race of consumerism".

On September 9, 2021, it was reported that Deripaska during the Stolypin Forum in Moscow said about the need to change the consumption pattern.

“We cannot consume so much, throw away so much - we need to give up something,”

- said the billionaire.

Everyone is talking about increasing incomes, stimulating consumption, Deripaska noted.

“But you need to give up many things - this is the only way to achieve balance,”

- he said.

The same topic has already been raised by other influential people.

It is interesting that it is the billionaire who is talking about the reduction in consumption.

In the country, half of the population lives in poverty or poverty, there is still a part that teeters on the brink of poverty. In recent years, there has been a decline in the well-being, income and consumption of most of the people.

The caste of plutocrats (from plutocracy - the power of the rich), on the contrary, every year increases its wealth: their yachts are longer and more expensive.

It is obvious that the course is aimed at reducing the consumption of the bulk of the population of Russia and the planet. It seems that the rich are not going to reduce their personal overconsumption, but only increase it.

The chasm between rich and poor in Russia is deeper and deeper. And people are no longer able to get out of poverty on their own.

Consumer society


It is obvious that the reason for a number of negative changes in the biosphere (destruction of forests, fertile soils, pollution of rivers, lakes and other water sources, etc.) is human activity.

Rather, a consumer society created in the West, which quickly degenerated into hedonism, a society of extermination and self-destruction. The modern market model is based on this. Endless growth in consumption, interest and credit and debt loop on the economy and society.

We live in a period of a crisis of capitalism, a consumer society, a crisis of the Western world, a crisis of humanity (its degradation and involution), a crisis of the white race, a crisis of biblical and Koranic culture, etc. In a word, it is a multidimensional “matryoshka crisis”.

The reason is the dominance on the planet of an unjust, vicious concept and a model of governance emanating from it.

The immoral power carries in itself all the mistakes in the management of people and society as a whole. This mistake is reflected in the current global crisis.

It is clear that the owners of the West, both the elites in the Old and New Worlds, as well as the owners of TNCs (transnational corporations), TNBs (transnational banks), plus the global bureaucracy represented by the UN and WHO, are aware of this and are trying to reduce management errors. They want to make a "reset" of humanity, to create a new world order - a new brave world.

At the same time, they retain the old unjust management concept and the degradation-parasitic culture generated by it.

That is, the reduction of management errors will again be carried out at the expense of the majority of the world's population, and not at all the moral, qualitative growth of the global elite.

The New World Order


Back in the 60s and 70s of the 2th century, the West decided that it was necessary to reduce the consumption of the Earth's raw materials by reducing the population to 3-XNUMX billion people through wars, revolutions, national, religious genocides, hunger, drugs, epidemics, etc.

The current surrogate of the world war in the form of a "pandemic" is exactly solving this problem.

Various lockdowns, bans, a stressful situation that destroys a person's immunity, the collapse of health care systems caused supermortality. In essence, this is a planned genocide.

In the sphere of big politics, this is expressed in the “sustainable development of mankind,” in the theme of global warming, the green revolution, when, under the pretext of protecting the environment, production and agriculture are destroyed, and people are deprived of normal nutrition.

In the summer of 2021, the GXNUMX countries (the leading countries of the developed world) proclaimed a rejection of hydrocarbons, which will cause a radical restructuring of the technological order of the entire planet.

Demographically determined needs of the bulk of humanity (healthy food, travel, recreation, health care, education, culture, creativity, etc.) are decreasing. This is what we see, both in Russia and around the world.

At the same time, overconsumption, degradation-parasitic needs for the elite are preserved.

Resources and capital are redistributed in favor of representatives of big business. The middle class is being ruined and losing its former way of life. The poor are getting poorer.

People are divided into castes: vaccinated (loyal) and dissidents. Loyalists are promised safety and return to their usual life, although it will never be the same again. A “golden billion” is being formed from those who will be in the conditionally safe, green areas.

Those who remain on the periphery will be deprived of their usual way of life: schools, health care systems (already now those who have refused vaccination are offered not to be admitted to hospitals or treated only at their expense), safety, work, etc.

"Golden billion"


In essence, the old vicious concept remains, as the division of people into "chosen ones" and others.

It will be a mixture of the new slaveholding, feudal and capitalist system.

The new world order will include the world "elite" (mafia), which has access to all advanced technologies, achievements in medicine, pharmaceutical industry, biotech, which will significantly extend their full life. They will be guarded by private squads, PMCs, with ground, air, surface and underwater robotic drones.

The "golden billion" will include residents of several hundred huge metropolitan areas. They will retain a number of opportunities, achievements of civilization, but will be completely controlled by the owners of the “digital concentration camp”.

It will be a society of total control and digital fascism.

This scenario is featured in a number of fantasy films from Western Illusion Factories. Equilibrium, Ultraviolet and Aeon Flux (a fascist regime based on medical terror), Elysium - Heaven not on Earth, Alita: Battle Angel, The Hunger Games series, etc.

The rest of the people, on the periphery of huge agglomerations, are waiting for an inferno world.

For example, most of the inhabitants of countries such as Somalia, Sudan, Nigeria, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Afghanistan already live in this world. Next in line are other countries of the Islamic world, the former USSR, etc.

They will face constant wars, local genocides on religious, racial and ethnic grounds, famine, epidemics, total degradation of education, health care and culture systems.

Extinction.
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  1. Overlock
    Overlock 14 September 2021 18: 05
    +35
    Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska called on the world to cut consumption. Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu spoke on this topic. The minister said that humanity is on the verge of death due to excessive consumption.

    Well done boys! They grabbed it up to their ears, and now they say it is necessary to lose weight. Poorly Shoigu's apartments for an orphanage, and Deripaska should build a normal hospital / school / kindergarten in his hometown?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 September 2021 18: 09
      +22
      Quote: Overlock

      Well done boys! They grabbed it up to their ears, and now they say it is necessary to lose weight. Poorly Shoigu's apartments for an orphanage, and Deripaska should build a normal hospital / school / kindergarten in his hometown?

      Duck, they are not going to consume less .. they want to tighten our belts even more .. And where do we consume even less? And so we eat poor-quality food, wear poor-quality clothes ..
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 14 September 2021 18: 32
        +5
        I do not approve of a selection of films from the author of the article. How could you mention so many popcorn walkers and not mention the iconic Brazil, Gattaca, Minority Report?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 14 September 2021 18: 42
          +7
          Quote: military_cat
          I do not approve of a selection of films from the author of the article. How could you mention so many popcorn walkers and not mention the iconic Brazil, Gattaca, Minority Report?

          the movie "Time" can also be included ..
          1. Azis
            Azis 14 September 2021 19: 26
            -4
            This is not a film, but an information program on Channel One
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 14 September 2021 19: 34
              +4
              Quote: Azis
              This is not a film, but an information program on Channel One

              Apparently you only watch her laughing Watch the movie .. there is something to think about ..
              http://ac-online.lordfilms-s.biz/45780-film-vremja-2011.html
              1. Azis
                Azis 14 September 2021 20: 50
                +3
                Habit. According to the daily routine, exactly at 21.00 - viewing of the program "Time" by the whole barracks. Now, after watching, I go to the Internet ...
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 14 September 2021 21: 04
                  +5
                  Quote: Azis
                  Habit. According to the daily routine, exactly at 21.00 - viewing of the program "Time" by the whole barracks. Now, after watching, I go to the Internet ...

                  Try the opposite .. with the whole barracks .. then life will start to change for the better and you will be the beginning ..
                2. sergo1914
                  sergo1914 14 September 2021 21: 47
                  +4
                  Quote: Azis
                  Habit. According to the daily routine, exactly at 21.00 - viewing of the program "Time" by the whole barracks. Now, after watching, I go to the Internet ...


                  It is correct that you share. Highs cannot be mixed.
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              2. V means B
                V means B 18 September 2021 09: 54
                0
                I just did not understand how the world shown in this film people are born
          2. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 14 September 2021 19: 47
            +3
            Quote: Svarog
            film "Time"

            Quite a primitive film, like most of the ones listed by the author.

            Blade Runner (including 2049) says it all
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 14 September 2021 20: 58
              +2
              Quote: El Chuvachino
              Quite a primitive film, like most of the ones listed by the author

              Everything in comparison, the author compares with current events, they are just as primitive .. for those who understand ..
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 14 September 2021 19: 54
          +2
          Johnny Mnemonic. The running Man. And yet, yes, welcome to the Hour of the Bull.
        3. Motorist
          Motorist 14 September 2021 21: 23
          +1
          Quote: military_cat
          I do not approve of a selection of films from the author of the article.

          As for me - H. Wells' Time Machine (book) is more appropriate. But there are nuances ...
        4. Olfred
          Olfred 15 September 2021 06: 39
          +1
          I would also add the film "The Island" in 2005 hi
        5. atakan
          atakan 18 September 2021 15: 39
          0

          This song fully captures the essence of future changes.
      2. user
        user 14 September 2021 19: 34
        +6
        People are divided into castes: vaccinated (loyal) and dissidents.


        All in a common heap - horses, people. ... ... ... ...
      3. Machito
        Machito 14 September 2021 20: 27
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Overlock

        Well done boys! They grabbed it up to their ears, and now they say it is necessary to lose weight. Poorly Shoigu's apartments for an orphanage, and Deripaska should build a normal hospital / school / kindergarten in his hometown?

        Duck, they are not going to consume less .. they want to tighten our belts even more .. And where do we consume even less? And so we eat poor-quality food, wear poor-quality clothes ..

        Deripaska needs to set 10 liters of an enema every day to consume less.
      4. zwlad
        zwlad 14 September 2021 22: 24
        +6
        What problems?
        Go to the village, get a farm, you will eat healthy food. But you won't go.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 14 September 2021 18: 13
      +24
      I wonder who Deripaska forbids to move from the chorus to the "Khrushchev", change from "gelding" to "peskarus" and stop eating caviar, and start consuming "Doshirak"?
      1. out of habit
        out of habit 14 September 2021 18: 19
        +11
        Deripaska's eating black caviar does not pollute the environment, unlike Doshirak. laughing
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 14 September 2021 18: 20
        +14
        "Doshirak with black caviar and Spanish ham" is not yet on sale!
        And he still waits and waits ...
      3. Alien From
        Alien From 14 September 2021 21: 33
        -1
        Sinality! Dear Leader!)
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 14 September 2021 21: 42
          +1
          Exactly! I forgot about this innate quality of the current oligarchs ...
    3. KCA
      KCA 14 September 2021 18: 53
      +4
      Billy Gates, having already earned more than one billion, went to work in a torn sweater, maybe he worked for the public, or maybe he really didn't care for a raspberry jacket, chain, bracelet and nuts made of blown gold, but big
      1. Alf
        Alf 14 September 2021 21: 24
        +8
        Quote: KCA
        Billy Gates, having already earned more than one billion, went to work in a torn sweater, maybe he worked for the public, or maybe he really didn't care for a raspberry jacket, chain, bracelet and nuts made of blown gold, but big

        One of Those Who Decides can even walk naked, but Deripaska is a billionaire, but who is he in the World? Recently, from whom did the Americans squeeze half of their fortune, together in Rusal? So they showed him that without real Power, all his billions are worthless, like himself.
      2. atakan
        atakan 18 September 2021 15: 49
        0
        Vooot, it is the very Bill who decides the fate of your children, or maybe he has already decided, and some here, thanks to him and his developments and free vaccinations, 7 years ago became infertile. There were such facts in Ukraine. And maybe in Russia. But Billy wears a sweater for filming, but his house is run by a quasi-skin.
    4. businessv
      businessv 14 September 2021 19: 09
      -7
      Quote: Overlock
      Poorly Shoigu's apartments for an orphanage, and Deripaska should build a normal hospital / school / kindergarten in his hometown?
      Weak of course, colleague! This is the problem of our country, which has managed to destroy itself twice within a century! For 70 years of socialism, the majority have become atheists in the literal sense, what can be required of them today if they cannot list the 10 commandments of God offhand, not to mention their observance! Social irresponsibility and impunity of our government and the "elite" (I love this word from the vocabulary of livestock breeding, especially when it is applied to our silver carp) will sooner or later lead to a social explosion and the next demolition of this abscess.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 14 September 2021 20: 19
        +5
        Quote: businessv
        the impunity of our government and the "elite" (I love this word from the vocabulary of livestock breeding

        "Elite" is what surfaced up
      2. tatra
        tatra 14 September 2021 20: 21
        +7
        Firstly, you, the enemies of the USSR, who have been planting religion on the territory of the USSR you have conquered since your Perestroika, have proved yourself that you don’t care about all the “God's commandments”.
        Secondly, you not just for the sake of profit in your false and hypocritical anti-Soviet to justify your capture of the USSR, you praise "Russia that we have lost" in October 1917, you return it for 30 years, including the System - with a bunch of rich and richest parasites, and the rest of the people are poor and destitute.
        1. businessv
          businessv 14 September 2021 23: 55
          +2
          Quote: tatra
          Firstly, you, the enemies of the USSR, who have been planting religion on the territory of the USSR you have conquered since your Perestroika, have proved yourself that you don’t care about all the “God's commandments”.

          Irina, who does your angry speech refer to ?! And what is stopping you from the faith, which, after all, they could not completely destroy? For example, I was born and raised in the Soviet Union - this is the first thing, I took the oath only once, so I didn't break it, you didn't, if you didn't serve in the army, of course. I heard about Russia in 1917 only from my grandmother, the Kingdom of Heaven, so praising what you know by hearsay is silly in my opinion. I don’t belong to oligarchs and those in power, therefore I don’t belong to anything, and even more so the System (s)
          -with a bunch of the rich and richest parasites
          I cannot by definition, but I really want to change this current system, like most of my colleagues on this VO forum. So I advise you to go to the Duma and formalize your thoughts there verbally, right in snouts the faces of those to whom you deem it necessary to say this. And finally, I will note that it is not so difficult to keep the Laws of God, including Do not judge, but you will not be judged. hi
      3. Kronos
        Kronos 15 September 2021 09: 53
        0
        And when faith prevented the authorities from robbing the population, stealing, killing and others?
    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 14 September 2021 20: 16
      +9
      Quote: Overlock
      Well done boys! They grabbed it up to their ears, and now they say it is necessary to lose weight.


      And it was not bad for ALL officials, deputies and ministers, too, to transfer to them the indicated average salary, peskobus, and budget-standard "mansions"! Who will translate them, but they themselves are not suicides, unfortunately!
      1. businessv
        businessv 15 September 2021 00: 03
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        And it was not bad for ALL officials, deputies and ministers, too, to transfer the indicated average salary to them

        Of course, they are ready to go from 400 to 40 rubles, they are conscious! lol
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 14 September 2021 18: 11
    +6
    Humanity is divided into unequal groups.
    A significant part of it really became slaves to their whims!
    There is NO single unifying idea and is not foreseen in the foreseeable future.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 September 2021 18: 19
      +15
      Quote: rocket757
      There is NO single unifying idea and is not foreseen in the foreseeable future.

      Yes, there is this idea and it is not new .. The idea of ​​socialism. But they are actively, even aggressively trying to strangle her ... they are trying to make sure that they do not even remember about her .. Anyone who tries to raise the flag of socialism is immediately pressed, they start criminal cases .. And for the idea to become unifying, it must be clearly formulate, clearly and understandably in modern realities, then convey to the masses and this should be done by a bright charismatic leader .. But as soon as he is outlined, they will immediately throw mud at him, take away what is, and if he does not give up, then they jail .. but if and then he won't understand .. they'll just kill ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 September 2021 18: 55
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        The idea of ​​socialism

        This is yes, this is the best option, perspective, BUT !!!
        There are so many BUTs, you know.
        The idea needs to be "washed", raised and carried to the masses, while doing it in a simple way will no longer work, they will not give it.
        In general, he returns to the origins and according to the textbook of class struggle, using new opportunities and technologies!
        The work is not easy, but it will have to be done, if we are not going to simply ... and for a long time.
      2. businessv
        businessv 14 September 2021 19: 16
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        Yes, there is this idea and it is not new .. The idea of ​​socialism.

        You are absolutely right in this, and in what happens to people who propagandize this idea, there are already a lot of examples! This is the only idea that can at least change something for the better, and our government definitely does not need this, it is very afraid of this, hence all of its actions, which you described so accurately. smile
      3. Alanart
        Alanart 14 September 2021 23: 54
        0
        Precisely, that is not new. Contemporary of Darwin's theory of evolution. But only Darwin was supplemented, corrected, and a synthetic theory of evolution was created. And the current leftists continue to chant over a volume of Marx. The world has changed
        1. atakan
          atakan 18 September 2021 16: 00
          0

          If the world has changed, it is not in Europe.
      4. your1970
        your1970 15 September 2021 05: 57
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        Anyone Those who are trying to raise the flag of socialism are immediately pressed for pressure and criminal cases are brought up.
        - Lenin and Stalin were in hard labor ... they were proud of it ...
        And the current ones - from the consumer society - to hard labor for an IDEA - nope, it's not comfortable. The current needs power on a silver platter. "Do you want to take away from us the power and everything stolen from the people? Please, please, take everything !!!"

        Z. Y.
        Zyuganov, too, apparently in hard labor? Oh no, in the State Duma ...
        Suraykin is apparently serving time in Akatuya? Also no?

        It is necessary to be more careful with the wording - "All", "any" ...
        1. businessv
          businessv 15 September 2021 08: 00
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          And the current ones - from the consumer society - to hard labor for an IDEA - nope, it's not comfortable. The current needs power on a silver platter.
          Come on, have you heard about Platoshkin? A year under house arrest, 5 years probation, and all this is under trumped-up charges. Not complaining, but to be proud that the authorities have the ability to put anyone under arrest is simply stupid!
          1. your1970
            your1970 15 September 2021 11: 18
            0
            Quote: businessv
            Come on, have you heard about Platoshkin? A year under house arrest, 5 years probation, and all this is under trumped-up charges.

            You yourself understand - that ANY (including Soviet!) Power will defend itself ??? !!!! by all means and forces ????? !!!!!
            During Lenin / Stalin 5 years proud conditionally - it would be just indecent ...
            For calls to overthrow the power of Nicholas II, the tsarist court would give conditional, yeah ... lol lol
            It would sound like an indecent anecdote - they didn't hang, they didn't send them to hard labor for life, not into exile for 10 years - but conditionally .......
            And yes - Platoshkin is all? No other socialist / communist was given at least a year or two. real term?
            All the rest were not guilty before the authorities for more than 15 days? Why is it so?
            The Bolsheviks called tsarist prisons universities for revolutionaries ...
            And the current type of "overthrowers" are somehow ashamed to sit in prison for the idea of ​​democracy
            1. businessv
              businessv 22 September 2021 21: 32
              0
              Quote: your1970
              During Lenin / Stalin he is proud of 5 years conditionally - it would be simply indecent ...
              Well, at that time they did not imprison for no reason, as in the case I described. wink
              1. your1970
                your1970 22 September 2021 23: 20
                0
                Quote: businessv
                Quote: your1970
                During Lenin / Stalin he is proud of 5 years conditionally - it would be simply indecent ...
                Well, at that time they did not imprison for no reason, as in the case I described. wink
                - are you talking about Vera Zapsulich - who was acquitted by the jury for murder on the air?
                Well, then everyone drew conclusions ...
                1. businessv
                  businessv 22 September 2021 23: 53
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  - are you talking about Vera Zapsulich - who was acquitted by the jury for murder on the air?

                  What broadcast, colleague ?! Zasulich lived in the 19th century, have they forgotten or did not know? She made an attempt on her life in 1878, the outcome was not fatal, and if not for A.F. Horses, no one found out about this case. And then, she was acquitted, but there was a reason for the trial, and I wrote that today they are in prison for a year on trumped-up charges!
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 23 September 2021 07: 10
                    0
                    Quote: businessv
                    What broadcast, colleague ?! Zasulich lived in the 19th century, have they forgotten or did not know?

                    I should have put a smiley face, did not take into account ...
                    Quote: businessv
                    And then, she was acquitted, but there was a reason for the trial, and I wrote that today they are in prison for a year on trumped-up charges!

                    Precisely because she was acquitted - the authorities began to defend themselves in the future - in the USSR and the Russian Federation - much stronger
                    1. businessv
                      businessv 23 September 2021 18: 22
                      0
                      Quote: your1970
                      Precisely because she was acquitted - the authorities began to defend themselves in the future - in the USSR and the Russian Federation - much stronger
                      Oh, what a shaky theory, but such are the case for existence. I think that it is not the authorities themselves who pull the strings, but their environment, most often not competent, but afraid of losing their warm places, people. One of them is Kiriyenko, who sometimes speaks such nonsense, but this scarecrow really wants power and has a lot of opportunities to influence the situation. A friend of mine, who in the past was very close to those in power, said that the main thing in forming an opinion on one or another issue from the president, the main role is played by the one who reports to him about the situation. Therefore, the current speakers are trying with all their might to prevent new faces from the Darkest One who can tell him ALL the truth. I must say right away that the level of social networks of our GDP is not of interest, this is the domain of the granite smelter - MDA (deliver the letters yourself, there is room for a real flight of imagination wink )
          2. atakan
            atakan 18 September 2021 16: 10
            +1
            No other socialist / communist was given at least a year - another real term?
            All the rest were not guilty before the authorities for more than 15 days?

            Why do you have such an opinion? About ten people spent two or five years, some were killed there.
            The world is big, it's just that Navalny doesn't howl about such people on RadioMatsy. About such and the press is silent.
        2. Alanart
          Alanart 18 September 2021 16: 40
          0
          Lenin in hard labor? :)
          Well, compared to Switzerland, of course, hard labor, yes. 90% of the population would consider it a sanatorium;))
          From a letter to Krupskaya's mother-in-law;
          “Dear Maria Alexandrovna! We got to Shushensky, and I fulfill my promise - to write what Volodya looks like. In my opinion, he terribly greeted, and he looks brilliant in comparison with what was in St. Petersburg. "
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 14 September 2021 20: 24
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      There is NO single unifying idea and is not foreseen in the foreseeable future.

      Solidarism is a strategy of collective survival, it has not yet been formed in the public consciousness (the consciousness of the average person), the image of the threat to his survival. If something is laid down, then only that survival is possible only individually, like - for money you can buy everything ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 September 2021 20: 39
        +2
        Wait for the invasion of the Martians, that it became clear that we are not individuals for them, but FOOD?
        Also an option, with an unpredictable ending.
  3. bober1982
    bober1982 14 September 2021 18: 23
    +4
    Today, sin is becoming the norm, since in a consumer society there is no ground for the concept of morality; there is only a concept of comfort.
    These are the words that define the current situation in society, our Orthodox Church.
    Briefly, clearly and intelligibly, therefore all these appeals of the mentioned comrades are very naive.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 September 2021 18: 45
      +5
      Quote: bober1982
      There is only a concept - comfort.

    2. Svarog
      Svarog 14 September 2021 18: 54
      +12
      Quote: bober1982
      These are the words that define the current situation in society, our Orthodox Church.

      Do you like what happened to the priest, who called on his management to publish the income? The church is a business. Don't be confused with religion.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 14 September 2021 19: 46
        -5
        Quote: Svarog
        Do you like what happened to the priest, who called on his management to publish the income?

        You would make a pop better than a citizen of R. Stepanov - that's who, a typical victim of the consumer society and "hype"
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 14 September 2021 19: 54
          +4
          Quote: bober1982
          that's who, a typical victim of the consumer society and "hype"

          The victim in our case is 95% of the population of the citizens of the Russian Federation .. And consumption and hype are used by the authorities and the church ...
          If you are interested in a truly spiritual component .. then listen here:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZB9Uqm3lKA
          And in my opinion, the middle way .. or Buddhism, a much more truthful and understandable religion .. not even a religion .. but the ability to live and understand for what and why ..
          You would make a pop better than citizen R. Stepanov

          Of course .. to be a priest, you don't need to be with seven strands ..
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 14 September 2021 20: 02
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            The victim in our case is 95% of the population of citizens of the Russian Federation

            Here the whole point is that there was a deformation of the very human essence and, this affected not only the citizens of the Russian Federation, but also all billionaires, rogues, Orthodox Christians, Buddhists, generals, foremen and sailors, etc., and there are no borders and nationalities.
            And, therefore, no calls will help, it is pointless.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 14 September 2021 20: 08
              +2
              Quote: bober1982
              Here the whole point is that there was a deformation of the very human essence and, this affected not only the citizens of the Russian Federation, but also all billionaires, rogues, Orthodox Christians, Buddhists, generals, foremen and sailors, etc., and there are no borders and nationalities.
              And, therefore, no calls will help, it is pointless.

              Firstly .. do not care about non-citizens of the Russian Federation .. or rather, non-citizens of the USSR
              Second ... what hurt the billionaires? Were they different before? The essence of man has not changed for millennia .. This is the essence .. think about it, everything changes .. and changes every day .. but is the person the same? Why?
              And, therefore, no calls will help, it is pointless.

              Appeals will not help .. understanding .. and the more compatriots have it, the faster the country will change for the better.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 14 September 2021 20: 22
                -3
                Quote: Svarog
                The essence of a person has not changed for millennia ..

                Is that so?
                In order not to go into church reasoning, for example, some hundred years ago a woman could not afford to walk with her hair down, then not to walk in trousers, not to swear, etc., now half-naked people walk the streets.
                This is just one tiny example.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 14 September 2021 20: 27
                  +3
                  Quote: bober1982
                  Is that so?
                  In order not to go into church reasoning, for example, some hundred years ago a woman could not afford to walk with her hair down, then not to walk in trousers, not to swear, etc., now half-naked people walk the streets.
                  This is just one tiny example.

                  How does this example relate to the essence of a person? Pantaloons are not in fashion now either .. but morals .. fashion .. have nothing to do with the essence of man .. and it is described in the commandments .. if you are familiar with them .. then remove the "not" and this will be the essence of man. ...
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 14 September 2021 20: 32
                    -1
                    Quote: Svarog
                    How does this example relate to the essence of a person?

                    This is connected with the concept of morality, which no longer exists.
                    Comfortable but immoral.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 14 September 2021 20: 37
                      0
                      Quote: bober1982
                      Quote: Svarog
                      How does this example relate to the essence of a person?

                      This is connected with the concept of morality, which no longer exists.
                      Comfortable but immoral.

                      It never existed .. morality .. it could only exist with public censure, which was under socialism .. of course, censure was under the tsar ... but under the tsar, there was a strong discrepancy between reality and "correctness", in other words people did not believe ... under the Soviet regime, with faith in oneself and in socialism it was much better ... even despite the distortions ...
                      Man is an animal .. and only he himself can make him a man .. and there are two ways .. either self-development, or development with the help of society .. At the moment, both ways are being destroyed ..
                      1. bober1982
                        bober1982 14 September 2021 20: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Svarog
                        and there are two ways ... either self-development, or development with the help of society ..

                        There is only the third way, to the Church, but this is of course a personal matter and, not even a recommendation, so - thinking aloud.
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 14 September 2021 20: 49
                        0
                        Quote: bober1982

                        There is only the third way, to the Church, but this is of course a personal matter and, not even a recommendation, so - thinking aloud.

                        I gave you a link earlier .. there is clearly about the church and religion ... you listen at your leisure .. it is clear that the patterns breaks .. but useful .. if you are looking ..
                        Well, when you find it ... you definitely won't go to church)) Look in yourself ... everything in you ..
                      3. Pensive Lawyer
                        Pensive Lawyer 15 September 2021 02: 08
                        +3
                        Church and religion have no meaning and are outdated, as well as such a concept as morality. Now, instead of morality, there is the concept of "morality".
                        Religion and church are simply instruments of control.
                        Faith is possible, even necessary. I can call myself a believer. But I hate religion (any) in any form, more than Easter cakes. I flatly refuse to think that someone who loves me and everyone around them as their children requires at the same time the worship of their beloved and rituals. Parents do not demand this from their children; it is important for parents that their children live according to their advice and do not do evil.
                        All the commandments boil down to the fact that do not hurt your neighbor - in one sense or another.
                        Just offhand a question about the half-naked girls on the street mentioned in the snimer - are they doing something wrong, besides, how pleasing to the eye? That is, to God (if he exists in the sense that is given to him by religion, that is, has clear motives and views), who created a person as he is, including a female / male body, is his own creation insulting? Or is it not a creator, but respectable people who are distressed by the vivid reminder that their youth has passed and cannot be returned, and they want to get rid of such a stressful moment?
                        Almost the same question about the covered head of women in churches - why is a woman's head offensive to God that it needs to be hidden?
                        Or about prayers - God knows everything, sees everything, including our thoughts. Is he sorting requests according to formal criteria, like a real bureaucrat - I heed this one, but this one does not, because the form is not the same?
                        In the Middle Ages, all these religious prohibitions were needed, and now, with the growth of civilization of the population, a translucent topic ceases to be a call to rape, but becomes, like bright makeup, a way to show your beauty. And, like bright makeup, there are situations when it is appropriate (weather, everyday walk, etc.), and there are situations when it is not (again, the weather, at work, distracts the attention of employees).
                        As well as prayers and rituals, they were needed in order to tune a rather wild person in the right way, to calm down harmful impulses, to give inner balance. That is, they had a goal. If now a person can do all this himself without the help of rituals, he certainly does not become a sinner from this.
                        Faith is when you just believe, and not words, bows, litany, trips to some buildings. She does not need a specific form and rules.
                        Likewise, sin is not a violation of any, even sacred, covenant. Um, sexual intercourse of two people who love each other, not married, before the wedding is a sin? Murder out of necessity, protecting children, family, helpless, yourself, finally, from a murderer - is it also a sin? Stealing, so that the family does not starve to death, if you have tried all the other options, and you need food now, is the road to hell? Sin is an act against conscience and virtue.
                        So no, in my deep conviction, religion is a ticket to a falling, burning plane. It should be replaced by the principles of social justice, mutual respect and, oddly enough, faith, cleared of dogmas and conventions.
                        Sorry to roll the sheet, and if you suddenly somehow hurt your feelings.
                      4. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 15 September 2021 11: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                        Sorry to roll the sheet, and if you suddenly somehow hurt your feelings.

                        A very meaningful, good comment. good
                        I practically agree with your theses, but in general the topic is very intimate / purely personal.
                      5. bober1982
                        bober1982 15 September 2021 17: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                        venerable people are distressed by the vivid reminder that their youth has passed, and it cannot be returned, and they want to get rid of such a stressful moment?

                        Youth, for the most part, passes in a half-drunk and depraved state, relatively speaking, so why regret the stupidly lived years.
                        A stressful moment in another, namely, there is very little time left at a venerable age in order to have time to correct the situation in which he found himself after his tumultuous young years.
                        Black out all my life, but first start....., it will not work, you have to keep the answer, they will ask.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 15 September 2021 11: 05
              +2
              Quote: bober1982
              In order not to go into church reasoning, for example, some hundred years ago a woman could not afford to walk with her hair down, then not to walk in trousers, not to swear, etc., now half-naked people walk the streets.

              I will note that until now women are not allowed to the altar.
        2. depressant
          depressant 14 September 2021 21: 08
          +4
          Here the whole point is that there was a deformation of the very human essence and, this affected not only citizens of the Russian Federation, but also all


          Bober colleague 1982!
          Hot! Very close, almost to the point!
          Good for you! good
          Will get enough strength and health, I will offer my idea and thoughts tomorrow. For starters, I ask you and all the other interlocutors to refresh in their memory the concepts of "philistine" and "mysticism".
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 14 September 2021 21: 41
            +3
            Quote: depressant
            refresh in your memory the concepts of "philistine" and "mysticism".

            How beautiful you are Lyudmila Yakovlevna .. hi
            1. depressant
              depressant 15 September 2021 09: 48
              +2
              How beautiful you are Lyudmila Yakovlevna ...


              Dear colleague Svarog, I am somewhat at a loss from your comment ...
              If you think that I have besieged the interlocutor, then you are deeply mistaken.

              bober 1982 got to the heart of the problem!
              The pensive Lawyer tried to solve the problem, but also - close, but not quite right.
              I'll try.
              Very short:
              GOD is a conscience-forming mysticism.
              The PHILISTER is the animal within us.
              Religion, speaking of God, put God at its service, and itself became part of the royal power.
              The triad should have looked like this:
              Man - Church (God) - King.
              God equally had to make demands on the conscience of even a person, even a king, even a priest himself.
              But it became like this:
              Man --- Power (king, church).
              Because of this, socialism, rejecting royal power, rejected both religion, and with it God. Hence Conscience.
              Instead of a priest, he became a political instructor, offering a person the same values ​​- do not kill, do not steal, etc. But there was one major difference.
              God is a mysticism that is always with you, wherever you are, no matter what you do. God sees everything! He sees and presses on your conscience. He doesn't forgive! Without forgiving, he does not punish, because He loves you. For punishment there is the Devil, the unity and struggle of opposites in the "God-Devil" format. This is a powerful whip that forms a conscience and thus protects a person from filthy deeds.
              And when a person was told that there is no God, then there is no Punishing Devil, then you can steal a detail at the factory, the main thing is to hide it under a jacket so that no one can see it. And since you stole and no one saw it, then you are not a thief at all, but your conscience ... It will not hurt, because there is NO GOD! And there is no punishing Devil.
              But the authorities are the same people, the same philistines. The worker stole the piece, and they have the same psychology - stole it! The main thing is that no one understands anything, the main thing is that they do not notice, and then you, the government, are not a thief at all, but a leading education honest in the eyes of the people, forced to do this, because there was no way out, and this is not theft at all, but. ..
              And then they SPURLED THE COUNTRY!
              By making the population redundant on it. No sharing! For it is stolen.
              And so it happened because socialism rejected GOD, therefore rejected CONSCIENCE. This was the main mistake of the socialist idea. Realized in our country, but in isolation from religion, the socialist idea died due to the dying of conscience under the pressure of philistinism - EVERYONE! Socialism failed to offer a replacement for God, that is, something so that God did not exist, but the mysticism that forms the conscience remained.


              You can argue: God is gone, and people were conscientious, even in the last years of the USSR, even under Yeltsin and under Putin.
              Right. A conscientious person is a person whom nature has endowed with a small share of philistinism. Unlike most. Philistinism is scattered among us in handfuls and at random. Remember that we are still animals.
              That is why we say, no matter how great a person's conscience is, it has its price. Not for sale - units. It is they who become holy martyrs.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 15 September 2021 11: 32
                +3
                Quote: depressant
                And so it happened because socialism rejected GOD, therefore rejected CONSCIENCE. This was the main mistake of the socialist idea.

                Objection. The Soviet government did not restrict the access of parishioners throughout its existence.
                Second, religions in a multinational country are a path to disunity, the same as nationalism.
                And the third and most important I think that the main task of "Forming a new man" was fulfilled by the Soviet government, it was due to the generation of "Builders of Communism" (born 1917-24) that the USSR won the war, but they fell on the altar of Victory and this is the main reason what we have had from 1985 to the present day.
                PySy. Any religion / church becomes reactionary and obscurantist, this is confirmed by history and modernity.
              2. Svarog
                Svarog 15 September 2021 12: 10
                +1
                That is why we say, no matter how great a person's conscience is, it has its price. Not for sale - units. It is they who become holy martyrs.

                If I understood correctly, then you want to draw a parallel between the collapse of the USSR and faith in God .. That the main reason was the loss of conscience ..
                I disagree .. conscience and God have nothing to do with it .. Man does not change in the essence of his millennium and the Soviet government could not completely change a person .. but in many ways, compared to other regimes, made him better .. The USSR collapsed after a series wrong decisions .. which began long before Gorbachev .. and these decisions were influenced by fear .. fear is the most destructive feeling, which is imperceptible, but ultimately always has negative consequences. The party leadership past the Second World War, they were very afraid of the war .. and then you cannot condemn them, but you can simply accept it as a fact. This was one of the big mistakes that led to the tragedy ..
                In general, personally, I share faith for myself and everything else ... Faith, God .. deeply personal, which should not be taken out of the house .. And everyone has their own, due to their understanding of themselves and the universe. But we cannot exclude the role of the state, which should have a clear and understandable ideology based on social justice, moral and legal norms, which should be promoted and introduced into society .. Now there is nothing, they are trying to replace the ideology with the church again .. But we see that none of this works and will not work .. for the reasons stated above by the Thoughtful lawyer ..
                1. depressant
                  depressant 15 September 2021 13: 08
                  +2
                  In fact, I was not going to get involved in a conversation, since I had read many articles on the topic of the digital future, and even now I do read them sometimes, and somehow on this issue, what is called, burned out.
                  But it turned out that literally the day before yesterday I accidentally stumbled upon Hollywood, mind you, 2011 called "Shame". I just pointed at the picture without even looking at the name. It turned out that the film had prestigious awards, and that's why I started watching it. At first glance, it is hard erotica. But through her, and this could only be done through her, all the horror of an ordinary Western person was conveyed, driven by the interests of capitalist society to the very bottom of his own base instincts and literally crushed by them and accusations - exactly those referred to in the article. Straight point by point. Realizing what a deep hole he has fallen into, a person falls into despair and, falling on his knees, clasping his head with his hands, cries out to God: "Lord, why? .." The very man who never baptized his forehead and about God I remembered - never! He addresses GOD as the only one who loves and sympathizes with him. But it cannot help. God doesn't help! He only appeals to your conscience.
                  And a person who has fallen into the trap of other people's interests, fallen into the pit of life, does not see a way to get out of it and can only go along the path of self-restraint, which means on the path of isolation from society.
                  So this is what that society needs!
                  This is the cunning Hollywood, which seems to say: "Are you desperate? Are you alone? Great!" And society adds with a grin: “I taught you all the vices that exist in nature? accusations. So, take what they give. Here's your lifeline - digital paradise! This is if you survive. "
                  We have almost the same problems. But to the digital paradise with its absolute godlessness, which means with a lack of conscience, the Western person has been brought up for a long time. And how will we do it.
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 15 September 2021 18: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: depressant
                    We have almost the same problems. But to the digital paradise with its absolute godlessness, which means with a lack of conscience, the Western person has been brought up for a long time. And how will we do it.

                    In our country, as practice shows .. it will be much more painful .. if they sneeze .. then we have a bloody cough ..
                  2. depressant
                    depressant 15 September 2021 18: 54
                    +1
                    Yes, I read about the events in Buzheninovo.
                    I went to the Look, there are comments. One of them is shrill, huge, full of facts, true and accurate. The author is Sergey S. from Novosibirsk. I went to blogs, and there is a tough aggression of the heads of the diasporas, they say, the Russians are xenophobes and scum, and they, migrant workers, are carriers of light morality, they say, look at yourself. Only gentlemen do not understand that if we are scum, then we are scum on our land and somehow we will sort it out ourselves. But on the side of the guest workers - Deputy Prime Minister Khusnullin, the same renovator who previously mastered the Moscow budget together with Sobyanin, and now, apparently, will pull money from the National Welfare Fund until it is completely devastated for construction projects in Shoigu cities. So, we have nothing to cover. We Russians have the same problems as white men in America. Are you white? You are Russian? A priori blame before the black, before the Asian!
                  3. Svarog
                    Svarog 15 September 2021 19: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: depressant
                    So, we have nothing to cover.

                    Everything is so .. everything is so .. but as history shows .. Russians are patient, they wait a long time or harness .. but the resonant moment will surely come .. and such hell will begin that the kuklus clan will nervously smoke on the sidelines .. In other words, the power the haves create the ground for Russian nationalism .. I have always been against this phenomenon .. but seeing that we are slowly getting smaller, and the newcomers are beginning to dictate their terms, depriving us of jobs and the opportunity to receive salaries .. which means condemning our families to poverty. .In general, there is an inner feeling that at this period of time, it is time to become a nationalist, in relation to citizens who cannot be called aborigines, otherwise they will all quietly bury us, and our grandchildren will live in Churkestan .. at the same time, digital ..
                  4. depressant
                    depressant 15 September 2021 19: 25
                    +1
                    Yes, the situation is heating up ...
                    Now Putin is going into self-isolation. But it looks like he was taken prisoner. He indulged them in everything, just to somehow keep everything. But can you hold back an avalanche of greedy interests? And I'm afraid that what will begin after the elections will look like a predatory pulling away of the country, a feast of sharks.
                  5. V means B
                    V means B 18 September 2021 10: 02
                    +1
                    One more "incomprehensible". Why did he go into isolation? He was vaccinated by an Orthodox "companion", and not by godless Pfizers, Jones, Sinovaks, etc., so on. Why was he scared?
                  6. depressant
                    depressant 18 September 2021 10: 20
                    +1
                    why were you scared?


                    I don't think there is a popular uprising. People are crushed by poverty and credit to such an extent that it is unlikely that any unrest will begin. For unrest, the consolidation of the masses is needed. It does not exist, because everyone is alone with their own destiny, say, in the form of the same loan. Now a law has been passed according to which the only housing can be selected to pay off loan debts. Imagine the concerns of such people. There will be many of them, but they are territorially divided, not consolidated. We do not have our own large production facilities capable of consolidating the work collective, placed in the same conditions of discrimination.
                    So, in this sense, Putin has nothing to fear. If anything, there is the Russian Guard.
                    I believe he is afraid of a quarrel between the elected deputies for the distribution among the lobbying oligarchs.
                    He is afraid of oligarchs, of whom "non-friends" can lobby the majority of deputies in the new State Duma, that is, they can simply buy. He is afraid of pressure from international opinion, which will speak out in favor of the unreliability of the election results. Afraid of possible betrayal by the FSB. Afraid that the Army will not be on his side, and so on. He's afraid of a lot of things. Even the assassination attempts, again, following the election results. But he is not afraid of the ordinary population.
                  7. V means B
                    V means B 18 September 2021 10: 22
                    +1
                    I was a little frightened about something, but, I beg your pardon, there is no time to explain which one, you need to run.
                  8. depressant
                    depressant 18 September 2021 10: 25
                    +1
                    By the way, I suppose he is also afraid of his "friends". These are the oligarchs. According to the principle "Plato is my friend, but money is dearer to me". This is a friendship based not on affection of the heart, but on a monetary interest.
                  9. Phil77
                    Phil77 18 September 2021 11: 43
                    +1
                    Are the "friends" afraid of ... Putin himself? wink bully
                  10. depressant
                    depressant 18 September 2021 11: 51
                    +1
                    Most likely they are afraid. Some are strong, others are not. They all have dirt on each other and on Putin. What interests, such and friendship wassat )))
                  11. Phil77
                    Phil77 18 September 2021 11: 55
                    +1
                    Does killing compromising material still play any role in the state "digitized" by him? Doubts, doubts, doubts.
                  12. depressant
                    depressant 18 September 2021 13: 41
                    +1
                    The number is for us, not for them.
                    We are inforges, we live in a world of information imposed by the power, we are programmed according to the algorithms set by it, believing that we make independent decisions and draw independent conclusions.
                    And if earlier we could bring the accusation to the authorities: “You said so, but did not so, you deceived us!” - now this will not work. The person absorbed the information and, without realizing it, acted in accordance with the incentive algorithm inherent in it, realizing the action expected by the authorities from him, the person. I entered and was a loser. And there is no one to blame! For a person does not understand why he did this. It seems to him that it was his own decision. This is the digital future, Seryozha. In its simplest approximation. Secret algorithms embedded in any, absolutely any information. And a modern man cannot live without information, he is inform. And the authorities order such algorithms. The United States in this is holding a leadership unattainable by others, they have collected the best brains to create and train artificial intelligence, which will develop such cunning algorithms that lead humanity to obedience.
                  13. Phil77
                    Phil77 18 September 2021 15: 54
                    +1
                    Oh, and you painted a sad picture, my friend! How did you fight with loans before?

                    Now? Difficult. That is why I like films where the heroes "put down" banks, casinos so much! laughing
                    And why was Alexander "banned"? Ee2100?
                  14. depressant
                    depressant 18 September 2021 16: 59
                    +1
                    Banned?!?
                    her2100?
                    This is a discovery for me!
                    Maybe for the fact that on the previous topic he literally persecuted Vyacheslav Olegovich and, apparently, reached the point of direct insult. I'll go take a look.
                  15. depressant
                    depressant 18 September 2021 17: 04
                    +1
                    Seryozha, I looked.
                    It is not banned.
                  16. Phil77
                    Phil77 18 September 2021 17: 21
                    +1
                    Exactly-banned. bully
                  17. depressant
                    depressant 18 September 2021 17: 33
                    +1
                    But I looked at his profile!
                    When a person is banned, a mark appears on the profile. Well, maybe banned for a week. Then, perhaps, there will be no mark.
                    How did you know?
                  18. Phil77
                    Phil77 18 September 2021 18: 25
                    +1
                    It was by this mark on my personal profile that I recognized. hi
                    The profile is black, the requisites are white, and the word "banned" is of a gray subtle color. Disguise? wink
                  19. depressant
                    depressant 18 September 2021 18: 31
                    +2
                    How so? Why didn't it open up to me? And where is this mark? Still in the profile? And what does it say? Forever or?
                  20. Phil77
                    Phil77 18 September 2021 18: 33
                    +1
                    Very briefly: "banned."
  • Pensive Lawyer
    Pensive Lawyer 15 September 2021 21: 41
    +1
    I also cannot agree. Mysticism replaced civilization, when a person needed a whip in order not to create game.
    Faith is what it takes. But not in order to be on some true path, much less the path of holiness. Faith is needed to give meaning to everything that happens, to feel that death is not the end, and there is something above matter.
    Otherwise, the meaning is in family, affection, mercy and all other virtues? Is there any point in spending at least a second of your short life on the realization of other people's desires and needs? There is only one way without meaning - to get maximum pleasure while you can, but as you grow old - drink poison.
    Without the belief that mind is superior to matter, life is devalued as such. The people around them become not personalities, but biomechanisms that do not differ in their value from a mosquito or a cow. And this is the collapse of demography and anarchy. After all, why not fly into the billionaire's house and take whatever you want by force? In order not to deny yourself anything? Why would a law enforcement officer risk his life by catching a criminal?
    1. depressant
      depressant 15 September 2021 22: 53
      +1
      Dear colleague Thoughtful Lawyer!
      In fact, I was talking about the concept of God as just one of the many aspects of the problem that we are losing socialism.
      Reason and mind.
      Humanity must grow wiser in order to understand that everyone's solidarity with everyone in honesty, decency, kindness, purity and lofty thoughts, in a sharp intolerance to everything that contradicts the above - this is beneficial for the survival of society as a whole, which means it is beneficial to everyone. This is such a new kind of philistinism, which does not turn into rational egoism, but, I would say, into clever one. After all, mind and mind are different things!
      But it all depends on who sets the goal, doesn't it?
      In the first period of the USSR, Stalin's, - the increase in the level of education, therefore, the number of people who understand the value of such an intelligent consolidating egoism, which presupposes an active life position on the basis of a socialist idea - it grew sharply. In the post-Stalinist period, this number, naturally reduced by the war, in percentage terms began to fall sharply due to the movement of a significant mass of rural residents to cities, carrying with them what is beautifully called petty-bourgeois consciousness, but in fact, if we call things by their proper names, - the most terrifying philistinism, based not on the mind - on the mind, thereby excluding the consolidation of society on the basis of the mind. That is why they lost socialism. There was not enough intelligence to understand its value and defend.
      Now the reserve of stupidity of society by saturating it with reasonable, but stupid villagers has been exhausted. And what do we see? Stupidity and defamation is proceeding at a huge pace in a different way - with the help of a whole set of means, which I will not list, for they have imposed. This means that the goal of deconsolidation of society is clearly set. What has not been taken away from us - decent education, medicine, science, etc., but we are silent.
      Everyone says, they say, if everything is so bad, poverty, so why don't you, society, protest? Because for 30 years, Jesuit methods have completely deprived us of our minds. And at the same time we lost our minds. And now someone's bad goal has been achieved - deconsolidation! For what? And for anything. For example, to get rid of our presence through physical extinction, emigration, and who remained - well, what can you do with us! - to drive into digital slavery, and so that it was resigned from our side. Or even dismember the country into pieces.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 16 September 2021 19: 00
    0
    Quote: depressant
    And so it happened because socialism rejected GOD, therefore rejected CONSCIENCE.

    well to go nuts! belay and the priests who kept the serfs with the CONSCIENCE means everything was in order? And what about the bloody Nikolashka in the story of the hodynka and the lettered trains, what about the CONSCIENCE? church tithe campaign is also a manifestation of CONSCIENCE?
    what is this pathetic attempt to tie decency to some kind of GOD ???
    your cynicism amazes me! belay
    1. V means B
      V means B 18 September 2021 10: 04
      +1
      Well, this is completely different, but they were allowed by God. And we must endure, believe, pray and hope to get to heaven.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 18 September 2021 18: 12
        0
        good straight on Dostoevsky! "to Jesus on the tree" ...
        Dear, something else surprises me .. I understand when such nonsense was carried under Kostya Pobedonostsev. after all, the state program. I understand when Vanyusha Ilyin sent it into the ears of the "white knights" who had managed to escape from the country. to them it is like a balm for the soul tortured by the Bolsheviks ... but now who is it meant for? Back in 1917, uneducated peasants and workers figured out what this garbage is ... how a modern, educated person can seriously carry such nonsense? belay
      2. V means B
        V means B 19 September 2021 09: 50
        0
        Honestly, I don't know request
  • Motorist
    Motorist 14 September 2021 21: 57
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    do you like what happened to the priest who called on his management to publish earnings?

    Poindexil - below is the link to the order. Nothing like that happened to him. I think he knew about the order in advance, and he "worked" ahead of the curve - the people grabbed ...

    http://cheb-eparhia.ru/info.aspx?org=1&type=news&id=61993
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 14 September 2021 18: 23
    -5
    Quote: Overlock
    Weak apartments Shoigu

    Weakly!
    Leave him alone.
    Let him walk with the bag to the neighbors (a wonderful audience lives next to him, Daddy Sparrow, for example), and ask them to fold.

    Deripaska donates a lot already:

    https://t.me/strelkovii/1645
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 14 September 2021 19: 02
      +10
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Weakly!
      Leave him alone.

      Why? Poor fellow, he receives 961 tons of rubles a month. And then there is such wealth ..

      dwelling house 1240.0 m²


      2 plots of land 2807, 17193 m²
      Shoigu's house on Rublevka and 2 plots with an area of ​​about 20 m² were estimated at 000 ($ 300). The real value of the house has not been released to the public, but similar properties are also worth around 000 ($ 000). It turns out that the property in the village of Znamenskoye, near the Moskva River, according to a rough estimate, cost the official almost $ 4.
      Car park:
      Mercedes-Benz W222 S-class, cost from 7 ($ 000);
      Land Rover Range Rover Vogue, from 8 ($ 000);
      Aurus Senat (limited edition for the May 9 parade), from 18 ($ 000);
      rare GAZ-12 (ZiM).
      Family: His wife, the owner of the Expo-EM travel agency and the construction company BARVIKHA 4, continue to receive government orders. In the last year alone, Expo-EM signed 25 contracts with a total value of 65 rubles.
      Daughter: In 2009, it turned out that the youngest daughter Shoigu, 18 years old, bought land for $ 9 million in the area of ​​Rublevo-Uspenskoe highway. She studied well at school, together with the land certificate they give out.

      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Deripaska donates a lot already:

      I agree, a lot ...
      Doubtful patronage of Oleg Deripaska
      Oligarch Oleg Deripaska found himself at the center of a new international scandal: his attempt to refute the September material published in the Finnish magazine "Mega" failed miserably. Moreover, the awkward excuses published on his initiative drew everyone's attention to the charitable foundations associated with Deripaska, about which the authors of "Mega" wrote.
      Then you yourself somehow.
      https://compromat.group/main/economics/36855-somnitelnoe-mecenatstvo-olega-deripaski.html
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 14 September 2021 18: 26
    +1
    There has always been a stratification, both in the bright USSR and now under capitalism. Some are born with a golden spoon in their mouths, others have jumped on a gray horse with apples galloping past, others have their heads working and their arms grow from their shoulders. wants to live well. At the expense of now, I envy young people, you can always vote with your feet. There was a layoff at work, the entire department of automation specialists voted with their feet, everyone settled on the territory of our vast Motherland, everything depends on the buns offered by the capitalist and I am happy for them. Mark they they keep their wealth under control too.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 September 2021 19: 25
      +6
      wants to live well
      What does it mean to live well? For one to eat in three throats. Self-realization is important for another. Someone just wants to speak. Someone wants to teach children, but they tell him to go into business ...
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 14 September 2021 21: 12
        0
        It takes a lot of work to eat in three throats, this also applies to the rich.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 14 September 2021 22: 01
          0
          have to work hard
          You have to steal a lot, that's more correct.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 14 September 2021 18: 28
    0
    Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska called on the world to cut consumption.

    With the CPRF rating - 87%, and the United Russia - 3% and they will not think of that ... And the brightest thoughts about the people, soul and God come when the "vyshak is breaking" ... am
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 14 September 2021 19: 08
      +4
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And the brightest thoughts about the people, soul and God come when the vyshak is breaking.

      That is why they give out the pearl to the public! The main thing is to crow
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 September 2021 01: 21
      -1
      "With the rating of the Communist Party - 87%, and the United Russia - 3%, and they will not think of such a thing .." The rating seems to have been invented.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 15 September 2021 03: 21
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        The rating seems to have come up with it.

        No, I (and many more subscribers) asked for it, and A.V. Karaulov conducted on his website in response to the ratings of VTsIOM and other structures, whose ratings are based on surveys of 10 (maximum) people:

        https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSqiK-_faZI4YXWppF94zMQ/community
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 September 2021 16: 55
          0
          On all channels, the audience is narrowly focused - so he got 87% for the KPRF.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 15 September 2021 16: 59
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            On all channels, the audience is narrowly focused - so he got 87% for the KPRF.

            Can't I believe you? This is probably why VTsIOM with its ten thousand (at most) respondents got 19% ... There is immediately visible a "unidirectional" line ... lol
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 16 September 2021 19: 26
              0
              The most important thing is that all these not deputies of the United Russia will go to the polls and not sit at home with the sentence "Why vote there, and so everything was decided for us"
    3. V means B
      V means B 18 September 2021 10: 07
      0
      As one head of one correctional institution used to say (not literally), if he fell into religion, then he was preparing an escape.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 14 September 2021 18: 30
    +9
    Point your finger to an oligarch who has abandoned insane consumption ..... This is a utopia!
  • Terran ghost
    Terran ghost 14 September 2021 18: 42
    +6
    But you need to give up many things - this is the only way to achieve balance.

    Well, let Mr. Deripaska start with himself - for example, give up a luxury villa, a personal yacht and a private plane. Will give, so to speak, an example.
    But in response, I'm afraid, we can hear "amusing fairy tales" about the fact that "the status is supposed to be an elite super-luxurious overconsumption."
    "they bind heavy and unbearable burdens and lay them on the shoulders of people, but they themselves do not want to move them with a finger;" - Gospel of Matthew 23: 4
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 14 September 2021 18: 57
      +6
      A relative of Yeltsin is not supposed to .. dada .. he is married to his granddaughter ..
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 14 September 2021 21: 14
        -2
        Yeltsin had very few granddaughters, be jealous.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 14 September 2021 19: 09
      +5
      Quote: Terran Ghost
      Well, let Mr. Deripaska start with himself - for example, give up a luxury villa, a personal yacht and a private plane.

      It is forbidden! This will undermine the country's defenses. laughing
  • parusnik
    parusnik 14 September 2021 18: 43
    +8
    “We cannot consume so much, throw away so much - we need to give up something”
    ... Of course you can’t, your throat is already going through your throat, give up getting super-profits. So you will not give up, and those who create super-profits for you really ... got stuck .. smile
  • CYM
    CYM 14 September 2021 18: 48
    +4
    Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska called on the world to cut consumption.

    Let them start with themselves. Russia's problem is not that it cannot feed the poor, but that the rich cannot get drunk ... angry
  • Bradley
    Bradley 14 September 2021 18: 50
    +3
    Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska called on the world to cut consumption. Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu spoke on this topic. The minister said that humanity is heading for death due to excessive consumption

    Consumption is a consequence of development. If you reduce consumption, then development will follow.

    “We cannot consume so much, throw away so much - we need to give up something,”

    Or develop agriculture. We have a wagon and a very large cart. Please study, invest and have a profit. Oh, this is so difficult!

    “But you need to give up many things - this is the only way to achieve balance,”

    You are the first, Oleg Vladimirovich.

    Patriarch Kirill, it is strange that he did not check in.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 September 2021 01: 23
      +1
      "Consumption is a consequence of development. If consumption is reduced, then development will follow." That's just the point - consumption is the engine of progress, new materials, goods, services, and so on.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 15 September 2021 03: 26
      0
      Quote: Bradley
      Consumption is a consequence of development.

      For them, the consequence of consumption is a swollen face and a mirror disease ...
      laughing
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 September 2021 16: 56
        0
        And in a place with these swimming diseases associated with obesity, including heart, which are deadly.
    3. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 16 September 2021 20: 05
      +1
      Quote: Bradley
      Consumption is a consequence of development. If you reduce consumption, then development will follow.

      bourgeois bullshit to justify stimulating consumption for the sake of obtaining superprofits request
      in the USSR, the development was better than many, and it did not rest on consumption.
      Quote: Bradley
      Or develop agriculture. We have a wagon and a very large cart. Please study, invest and have a profit. Oh, this is so difficult!

      no, it's just not possible to cut 200-300% of the profit. not profitable wink
      Quote: Bradley
      You are the first, Oleg Vladimirovich.

      go wassat already ran wassat
      Quote: Bradley
      Patriarch Kirill, it is strange that he did not check in.

      he did not have time ... in business all, "refuses a lot"! laughing
      PS
      I wonder who is the bullshit that Deribaska is targeting? is there really anyone else who can listen to this without sarcasm? oh they jump yes
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 16 September 2021 22: 55
        +2
        Quote: SanichSan
        Quote: Bradley
        Consumption is a consequence of development. If you reduce consumption, then development will follow.

        bourgeois bullshit to justify stimulating consumption for the sake of obtaining superprofits request
        in the USSR, the development was better than many, and it did not rest on consumption.
        Quote: Bradley
        Or develop agriculture. We have a wagon and a very large cart. Please study, invest and have a profit. Oh, this is so difficult!

        no, it's just not possible to cut 200-300% of the profit. not profitable wink
        Quote: Bradley
        You are the first, Oleg Vladimirovich.

        go wassat already ran wassat
        Quote: Bradley
        Patriarch Kirill, it is strange that he did not check in.

        he did not have time ... in business all, "refuses a lot"! laughing
        PS
        I wonder who is the bullshit that Deribaska is targeting? is there really anyone else who can listen to this without sarcasm? oh they jump yes



        drinks
  • bandabas
    bandabas 14 September 2021 19: 10
    +7
    Deripaska, Shoigu and others would start with themselves. Noodle grinders.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 14 September 2021 19: 26
    -1

    This scenario is featured in a number of fantasy films from Western Illusion Factories. Equilibrium, Ultraviolet and Aeon Flux (a fascist regime based on medical terror), Elysium - Heaven not on Earth, Alita: Battle Angel, The Hunger Games series, etc.

    Do not watch this biliberd!
    Don't trust them!
    You are being deceived!
    This is all "Western illusion factories" propaganda!
    lol
    It will be a society of total control and digital fascism.

    Don't worry so much, namesake. You and I will not live to see this.
    And if we live, what can you and I have such a terrible thing to control?
    Are you hiding something? (for example)
    Me not.
    The State knows everything about me anyway. hi
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 September 2021 19: 39
      +6
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Don't worry so much, namesake. You and I will not live to see this.
      And if we live, what can you and I have such a terrible thing to control?
      Are you hiding something? (for example)
      Me not.

      You are thinking from the point of view of a person who is preparing for reincarnation .. and if you think about it, for children .. grandchildren .. great-grandchildren .. What kind of peace do you want them? Maybe this? http://ac-online.lordfilms-s.biz/45780-film-vremja-2011.html
      And then .. not the fact that you will be carried over .. it is at that time that you can get in ..
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 15 September 2021 09: 26
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        What kind of world do you wish them? Maybe this? http://ac-online.lordfilms-s.biz/45780-film-vremja-2011.html
        And then .. not the fact that you will be carried over .. it is at that time that you can get in ..

        Watch Hollywood fiction and kill yourself, what if everything will be so?
        There's nothing you can do. "The iron horse is replacing the peasant horse." (WITH)
        Today there is no need to run to different offices, to stand in queues there to get some kind of help. 90% of public services can be obtained via the Internet and all kinds of terminals. Fares in all types of urban transport are automated. Payment via the Internet has become commonplace. I have been doing this since 1995. Then there will be something else. To obtain a visa to travel to the United States, Americans already have a snapshot of my retina and fingerprints. So what? What scares you?
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 14 September 2021 19: 42
      +4
      We should look into the State Services, and you immediately realize that you are under "Mueller's cap." hi
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 September 2021 19: 49
    +4
    It's hard to imagine what is being prepared now. In the near future, my grandchildren will entrust artificial intelligence to check the examinations for the Unified State Exam. And of course, a talented student, having solved the problem in his own way, will get bad. And there is still a genetic code ahead, biometrics are already in place. A person awaits a future, which can be defined in a few words - "We will feed you, and even clothe you. But let me control your thoughts and your body."
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 September 2021 20: 00
      +4
      Quote: nikvic46
      We will feed you, and even dress you. But let me have control over your thoughts and your body. ”This is the proposal.

      You are right .. but everything is easier .. You will work for food and clothes .. so it was since the slave system .. so it remains .. only in the future, it will be almost impossible to change it .. with 17 years, it will be much more difficult. .This is what the slave owners are trying to achieve.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 14 September 2021 21: 25
        -3
        Why would you take it, justify you have only a medical education. The welfare of the state is not built only on doctors. Sorry, but you are secondary, you depend on a turner and a locksmith and an engineer standing above him. And first of all, on the state and its management. , and I see progress in the development of Russia, unlike you.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 15 September 2021 03: 38
          +2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And first of all from the state and its management, and I see progress in the development of Russia, unlike you.

          You are lying again. Where do you see progress unlike us? You probably have the same criteria as those who voted for the pension reform, believing that a Russian lives up to 73 years of age and is able to live comfortably if his salary is (for 2021) 12 792 rubles.
          But what kind of progress is this if the death rate in the country has exceeded the birth rate? Surely, from a good life ...
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 15 September 2021 03: 55
            -1
            All the problems with the extinction of the population from the period 1990-2000, then gave birth to a lot? And what if I look at 12 o'clock in the afternoon the city is full of idly staggering or do they work like that?
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 15 September 2021 04: 07
              +1
              Quote: tralflot1832
              All extinction problems from the period 1990-2000, then gave birth to a lot?

              It's a pity, they dug a little ... I assumed that all this confusion began with the coming to power of the Bolsheviks in 1917 and continued during the years of the Civil War, collectivization, the Second World War, the Khrushchev thaw, Brezhnev stagnation, Gorbachev's perestroika ... belay
              Quote: tralflot1832
              And something, I look at 12 o'clock in the afternoon, the city is full of idly staggering, or do they work like that?

              And I go out to the grocery store (at any time of the day, on weekdays) and see how people “work” in cars all day long. I can’t attribute them to idle staggering. Especially those whose cars are "ruptured" by the amplifier of the stereo system, or those lipped women who, sitting behind the wheel, manage to do more things than Julius Caesar ...
    2. nobody75
      nobody75 14 September 2021 21: 14
      0
      In the near future, my grandchildren will entrust artificial intelligence to check their USE exams. And of course, a talented student, having solved the problem in his own way, will get bad.

      Against a counterexample you will not mind? Since the "shaggy" 80s, the problem about "rune words" has been wandering about the olympiads. Link to the condition: https://acmu.ru/?main=task&id_task=283. Sandbox - AI in your understanding - accepted my original solution with great pleasure

      "Original" solution:
      def rune_candidate (runeWord: str) -> str:
      itsrune = True
      symnum = 0
      rune = ''
      while itsrune:
      if symnum> = len (runeWord):
      break
      if symnum == 0:
      itsrune = runeWord [symnum] .isupper ()
      else:
      itsrune = runeWord [symnum] .islower () and (symnum <5)
      if itsrune:
      rune + = runeWord [symnum]
      symnum + = 1
      return rune
      ##
      ##
      input_file = open ('INPUT.TXT', 'r')
      rune_word = input_file.readline ()
      input_file.close ()
      its_rune_word = False
      while True:
      may_be_rune = rune_candidate (rune_word)
      if len (may_be_rune) == 0:
      break
      if may_be_rune.istitle () and len (may_be_rune)> = 2 and len (may_be_rune) <= 4:
      its_rune_word = True
      else:
      its_rune_word = False
      break
      #print (may_be_rune)
      rune_word = rune_word [len (may_be_rune):]
      if its_rune_word:
      outstr = 'Yes'
      else:
      outstr = 'No'
      output_file = open ('OUTPUT.TXT', 'w')
      output_file.writelines ([outstr])
      output_file.close ()

      Sincerely
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 14 September 2021 21: 21
        +3
        The problem is not in AI, but in the USE itself with its tasks without a clear didactic goal.
        It got to insanity. A structure close to the educational center with the "Star" name has opened courses for training children to solve "Olympiad problems". The cunning "teachers" are busy plagiarizing Chen's work and rewriting the "newfound" from Pascal to Python. It turns out a "non-python" code, which the machine wraps up.
        Sincerely
  • Leprikon5656
    Leprikon5656 14 September 2021 20: 12
    -1
    The author, how does this come to your mind? The funny thing is that you are writing this from the perspective of a topic connoisseur. Prokopenko and company)))
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 14 September 2021 20: 17
    -4
    "Extinction."
    In principle, death awaits everything and everyone, so there is nothing wrong with that - the main thing is to understand and accept.
    And the rest is some kind of garbage. Lovers of world conspiracies - go ahead!
  • smaug78
    smaug78 14 September 2021 20: 30
    0
    Is Samsonov vaccinated?
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 14 September 2021 20: 35
    +4
    Perhaps this is the most painful article of Mr. Samsonov. Continuous "degradation", "crisis", "decay", "irrepressible consumption." Just some Savonarola or a pastor from the evangelical channels. laughing
    The East also consumes wildly. And in Russia there are no signs of Protestant ethics. Shoiguland-10 was discussed at VO today. And the majority habitually declared the need to "master the riches of Siberia" ... Why ?? .... But the "rotten" West is more prudent in its resources. We do not even have a sorting of solid waste and batteries cannot be properly disposed of. The Chinese communists set the main task to shake up the internal consumption of the PRC. Shintoists and those, out of love for the "dissolved" God, nafukushimili the Pacific Ocean and row resources from all over the world. The whole world, to the extent of its GDP, shits and consumes. "West" is no exception here.

    ps And the really important topic of the "digital ghetto" is not disclosed. Specifics - no.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 14 September 2021 20: 35
    +1
    but the muzzles of Shoigu and Lavrov in the electoral list will affect the attendants and not a little
  • nobody75
    nobody75 14 September 2021 20: 40
    -3
    Dear Author! Your article contains a lot of new and interesting ... The problem is that everything interesting in it is not new, and everything new is uninteresting. If without systems of difference equations, in simple words, then Malthusianism turns out ... And everyone has known about him for a long time. Let's better talk about the Club of Rome and the conspiracy of the plutocrats. After Forester developed the first model, the World, he was sent to this club ... very far. The fact is that along with overpopulation, one of the main factors of the crisis was global environmental pollution. And this is a “non-economic” factor, so the author was accused of introducing economically unjustified equations and variables into the model. However, with the development in Massachusetts of Technology of models of economic dynamics of the next generations of the "World" series, the factor of "global pollution" could not be eliminated. And with the development of econometrics, "practical economists" (Rothschilds and Rockefellers) got used to "parameters without meaning" (ask, for example, traders about "beta"). Climatologists added their five kopecks ...
    This is how "Saint Greta" was born ... It is a shame for your favorite plutocrats to admit that the economy is a "Merry Science" as in the utopian movie below, which you have forgotten for some reason

    Sincerely
  • Uran53
    Uran53 14 September 2021 21: 03
    0
    So optimism is bursting!
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 September 2021 21: 41
    +3
    O! Samsonov began to master "cyberpunk"!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 September 2021 01: 26
      0
      Judging by the available digital progress, 2077 will really not differ much from the game in terms of technology.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 14 September 2021 22: 37
    0
    And, again, general "reasoning" on the ears. Not tired?

    Why nod to the West all the time? You have to do something for yourself. Try to knock off the declared plutocracy first. Not? Weak?

    It is only the unnamed people who can deduce, and the rest only write and write .... articles with reflections.

    And they read on the internet: Oh, again in the export of gas / grain / oil / titanium / aluminum or educated we are record holders ...

    No matter how record exported, but Russia's GDP is in one place, with a statistical error, what is "Consumption"
  • Gato
    Gato 15 September 2021 01: 01
    0
    Brave new world

    For some reason, I first read "New Couch World". According to Freud ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 September 2021 01: 27
      0
      This "New Couch World" already exists and is working. "Experts" have spawned all kinds of people above the roof.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 15 September 2021 03: 55
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        This "New Couch World" already exists and is working. "Experts" have spawned all kinds of people above the roof.

        Doing the epistolary genre on the website, who do you consider yourself to be? Judging by the comments, you are not limited to interjection answers ... Who are you, Mr. "expert ..." Military Review "?
        try not to breed squabbles, but to prove YOUR innocence using well-known examples from life and facts.
        hi
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 September 2021 16: 59
          0
          I do not count myself among the "Experts" and the "Experts" are the same.
  • Ingvar K
    Ingvar K 15 September 2021 09: 03
    -1
    Everything is rightly said by Oleg Deripaska and Sergei Shoigu, in fact, like some leaders of the Western elites. If a couple of dozen yachts have become longer, then who sees them by and large. And the fact that a couple of billions of fools throw out good things due to the fact that the waist height has changed this year is already a problem. As well as the problem of "artificial aging", when your car, refrigerator or TV lives for five years. The Americans launched this process sometime in 1928, and in a hundred years it has specifically raised the resources of the planet. Who would have thought 30 years ago that we would buy drinking water, but there will also be a shortage of it - like no more than two glasses in one hand ((((((
  • Mishka78
    Mishka78 15 September 2021 10: 16
    +1
    Everything in the article is confused. Horses, humans, dogs, vaccine and eon flux ..

    I think that Deribaska is talking about not having to change the phone and the car once a year.

    But, in fact, this is not to the consumer, but to the business, first of all, there should be an appeal.
    To the producers of shit with bookmarks that break the purchased goods when the expiration date is reached.
    The quite official term is planned obsolescence. The same Apple or Samsung, specially destroying old versions of handsets with updates, making non-removable batteries, an unopened case, etc.
    Any non-repairable parts requiring complete replacement. When a manufacturer sets prices for repairs comparable to buying new equipment.
    When she skated 40-50K on a new car, the engine knocks.
    When you cannot refill the ink cartridge in the printer, but have to buy a new one.
    When you buy a completely new expensive vacuum cleaner, it breaks down 2 years after the end of the warranty, and the manufacturer informs you that we no longer support this model, but you can buy a completely new one for 50% of the price by handing over the old one by trade-in. Etc. etc.
    When people are choking in line at the store door 2 days before the release of a new iPhone, in order to be among the first owners of the pipe, because this is cool, but in a week this pipe will be in all stores on free sale ..

    This is all this is called insane consumption. And most likely Deribaska was talking about him.
  • Sfurei
    Sfurei 15 September 2021 15: 43
    0
    There are a lot of loud words, thoughts, united by controversial (not even conclusions, but) theses. We need to reduce, we go into green energy, we become poorer and destitute, it is impossible to get out of here, vaccination, a golden billion, a digital concentration camp, etc. But in fact, the article is a dummy.
    They also brought in vaccinations here: "..People are divided into castes: vaccinated (loyal) and dissidents. Loyalists are promised safety and return to their usual life, although it will never be the same again. A “golden billion” is being formed from those who will be in conditionally safe, green zones ..."You also say that people are divided into those who have been ill and those who have died, which undermines the freedom of choice of a person !!
    Even the author has already selected a new social system: "..This will be a mixture of a new slaveholding, feudal and capitalist system ..." Sociologists cannot decide what the system will be, but the author has already decided everything.
    Well, as the apotheosis of confusion of thoughts, this is the author's conclusion that it turns out that Syria already lives in the future, so to speak in the beginnings of Equilibrium.
    Gentlemen editors, there are many sites for the publication of fantasy stories, alternative stories and simply fictions of the authors. Maybe VO will still remain a site about the military and so on ??
  • Dedok
    Dedok 16 September 2021 15: 54
    0
    This is nothing new
    The article repeats the postulates of the world bestseller from Yu.N. Harari: "Homo sapiens", "Homo Deus".
    By the way, it was published in 2019, and speaks incl. about the enormous flu epidemic on the planet ...
    and he proclaims digitalization, vaccination a new "world" religion ... reminding of intolerance towards those who will not adhere to this mainstream.
    Be sure to read, another book "21 Lessons for the 21st Century" has been published in translation - everything is in the topic of this discussion
  • Dedok
    Dedok 16 September 2021 16: 04
    0
    separately it is necessary to remember that at the end of the 80s it was иdei cult of consumption destroyed the country and introduced them with the knowledge of not ordinary people at all
    so that remembering the fable "about tops and roots" the time has come - to limit this consumption
    tomorrow a new fornication will start to be promoted, because money - they "do not smell"
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 September 2021 19: 38
      0
      This culture was always simple with the development of progress, a person wants to have as much of this progress as possible for a better life, and the USSR touched the same thing, but the domestic production of the USSR did not provide this due to the lack of competition of real demand, its planning from above replaced private individual developers and manufacturers high-tech branding, marketing, etc. hence the shortage and technical backwardness of most industries and goods, of course, against this background, everything Western was the most desirable and they chased Western products like scalded ones, but they got it primarily for those who had money and connections.
      "The time has come - to limit this consumption" - do you offer everyone to live on coupons for everything? Alas, this is impossible, since this consumption, together with the growing world population, is precisely the engine of progress; new methods of production; new materials; generation; acceleration of information logistics; new goods and services.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 17 September 2021 10: 06
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    I agree with the author, but on the way to a bright digital hell, furry paws from edros, through persons affiliated with npo its, receive 12 government contracts for the supply of cameras for fixing traffic violations in the amount of 1,1 billion rubles, and this is a small the eaten grain - on the way to the formation of a digital "paradise", a part of which is the federal project "Digital
    Public Administration ”and the“ Digital Economy ”program, the budget of which is estimated at 3,5 trillion rubles.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 18 September 2021 10: 03
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    the problem is obvious, it has a peculiarity is that the main consumption is not 300 oligarchs (committee of 300) and the so-called western middle class, beefy to be a showcase of the West and fool Soviet people, the need for this showcase disappeared after the collapse of the USSR ... and the collapse of the USSR and the collapse of modern Western society (and Russian society as a colony of the West) in the loss of faith in God, and if there is no faith, then there is no logic of consciousness, there is no morality, principles and self-protective restrictions, and if everything is allowed, then a person becomes weak in spirit and subject to all sorts of influences and manipulations ... here's the collapse of both the individual and the society consisting of these individuals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV3Ew4-PUM