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How a Ukrainian expert told Kazakhs English fairy tales about the CSTO

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Exercise West 2021, which began on September 10, caused the expected horror in the West. Sometimes it seems that in the era of the fight against the Covid-19 pandemic, Russia and Belarus decided to "vaccinate" NATO and others waiting for the death of the Russian Federation, from the desire to "finish off the dying eastern beast."

So many things I have not read in recent days in the Western press.

I have not heard all kinds of expert assessments. Interestingly, experts, in general, know something about the army of Russia and the army of Belarus? Yesterday I read that the total number of participants in the exercise has exceeded one million, including those involved in the preparation of the exercise.

I wonder where did they get so many soldiers and officers from? I don't want to repeat nonsense.

But I accidentally read in Inosmi.ru an article from the Kazakh edition of Exclusive entitled "The CSTO is an instrument of pressure, not security."

The publication is well-known, working in the media market of Kazakhstan since 2002 and even awarded by the President of Kazakhstan "for objective and high-quality coverage of the country's economic life."

First of all, the interest was aroused by the fact that it was the Kazakh Russian-language edition that reacted to the participation in the exercises of the Kazakh special forces. Moreover, it reacted clearly negatively, judging by who was chosen by the journalists of Kazakhstan as an expert. Well, after reading the interview, it became clear why Ukrainian motives in domestic political life are already visible in Kazakhstan.

Exercises "West 2021" through the eyes of a Ukrainian expert and Kazakh liberals


Let's start with the fact that for some reason the Ukrainian expert Andrey Yusov was chosen as the best expert on the Russian and Belarusian army.

The same Andrey Yusov, who is the director of the School for Responsible Politics. The field commander of the "orange Maidan", the leader of the "Odessa Euromaidan", a participant in the burning of people in Odessa on May 2, 2014. And this is just the tip of the iceberg of the feats of the fighter for democracy.

Agree, a strange choice of journalists for an analytical interview on military exercises?

Especially considering that Yusov's specialization, according to education, is culture and art. Apparently, the Kazakh colleagues needed just such an expert? Just because his opinion is consonant with the opinion of the journalists themselves?

Well, let's try to understand the way of thinking of the expert and journalists.

So, how does Yusov feel about the participation of soldiers from the armies of the CSTO member states in the exercises?

The question is quite simple and can be answered simply. The CSTO is an organization designed to ensure the security of member states from external aggression. Wherever she threatened.

Therefore, any exercises of the army and fleet used by the military to practice joint actions of units and subdivisions of different countries.

What do we read in Exclusive?

There are no such simple answers. Instead, there are lengthy discussions about the teachings themselves and the role of Kazakhstan in them.

“The fact is that the teachings are clearly anti-Western in general and anti-Ukrainian in particular. Let me remind you that now more than 100 thousand Russian troops are stationed along the Russian-Ukrainian border. "

"Forces from the union state of Russia are repelling the attack of Western opponents, which in itself sounds ridiculous, since there is not even a hypothetical threat for Russia or Belarus from the western borders."

I really liked the pearl about the absence of a threat to Russia from the West.

This sounds especially fresh after numerous statements by Ukrainian politicians about the readiness and even the need for war, as well as the statement of the commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine about the desire to walk with a new combat "creeping" step along Red Square and Arbat, and after Zelensky's recognition that war with Russia is possible.

“It is unlikely that Kazakhstan’s participation in military exercises in the European theater of military operations corresponds to the interests of its national security, but it definitely corresponds to the aggressive policy and interests of Putin, who are clearly trying to involve the countries in the CSTO, or rather, in the implementation of their own military strategy to increase escalation against Ukraine. , against the European Union and against other countries ”.

So this is it?

Kazakhstanis should know that now under the guise of combat Buryat submarines tank horsemen in Ukraine will fight Kazakhs. Guys from the Kazakh steppes of all nationalities are preparing to fight with Ukraine!

Or am I misunderstanding something?

Are Kazakhs as powerless today as Ukrainians were in 2013?


According to Yusov, today the poor Kazakh people have no rights and are completely ruled by Moscow. Simply put, for three decades of independence, the Kazakhs were unable to create their own state, like the Ukrainians.

“And in this vein for Kazakhstan, probably, the Ukrainian example should be especially instructive. The attitude of Russian politicians towards Kazakhstan is very reminiscent of the prehistory of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict.

Russia also reminded us of territorial gifts, infringement of the rights of Russian-speaking citizens, etc. Therefore, all states that somehow border on Russia should always be on the alert. "

Doesn't this tirade resemble what we already heard in the 90s?

Remember how the radical nationalists of the Asian republics were outraged by the dominance of the Russians? Remember the blood that was shed then because of such calls?

Language patrols in Kazakhstan - an invention of the Russians? Is the oppression of the Russians and the squeezing out of Kazakhstan also a fiction?

I do not think that nationalism in such multinational states as Kazakhstan or Russia is the path to peace. This is the path to war, to collapse, to extinction. The Ukrainian expert is just talking about this.

Look at Ukraine and you will see what kind of destiny Yusov offers you.

But the majority of young radicals are not used to thinking so much, and they do not know how.

CSTO was created for intimidation, and NATO for defense?


This is exactly what the Ukrainian expert says.

Moreover, the CSTO membership does not protect the state from external enemies, but serves as a press for pressure on radical European integrators. Although initially Putin (even for me it is already uncomfortable for our president - no matter what the comment is, it’s just Nostradamus of our day) planned exactly the bloc to resist NATO.

“Both Russia and the Putin regime would like to oppose at least something to NATO and, of course, the CSTO was created for this. Today Putin is trying to revive this structure, but this is nothing more than propaganda. "

Reading some of the conclusions that the Ukrainian expert talks about, I would like to shout:

- Hey, writer, people with Soviet education are still alive! .. How wonderful that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers did not study at the School of Responsible Politics and broke the back of German fascism and Japanese militarism, despite the fact that the economic potential of the USSR (and we we remember Czech tanks, French cars and many more that Europe threw at us, not Germany) was incomparably less than the potential of Europe.

“... War is not only weapon and the army. War is the ability of economies to wage war. And from this point of view, the potential of NATO and the alliance as a whole far exceeds the potential of the CSTO and Russia, as the basis of this bloc. "

But with the following conclusion of the expert Yusov, I, perhaps, agree. Only the CSTO and NATO should be swapped. Modern историяFor example, the recent events in Afghanistan and Syria confirm this.

“NATO (understand - CSTO) has never opposed itself to the CSTO and Russia (understand - NATO and the West). NATO (understand - the CSTO) is a bloc that must protect the members of the alliance. "

I do not know why Kazakh journalists do not see the obvious.

It is clear that for the sake of your political views you can sacrifice life, morality, morality, principles. Anything. But in this version, excuse the harshness, the Kazakh colleagues sacrificed their own title of journalist, their own souls.

And now the most interesting part from the Ukrainian politician and expert.

I will not even comment on this. I will just quote what is written in the Kazakh Exclusive article.

“NATO brings together countries with certain values ​​and principles. In order to become a NATO member, it is necessary to be a democratic, market-based country, to carry out the necessary reforms, including in the field of freedom of speech, protection of democracy, and a fair judicial system. NATO in this respect is a value alliance that protects not only member states, but also the rights of the population living in these countries. "

“The CSTO has no principles, as well as values, and even more so, the general geopolitical interests of its members. CSTO members have very different visions of the situation in the regions and different interests. "

"... The re-establishment of the CSTO is nothing more than an attempt by the Kremlin to somehow maintain its military influence on the territory of the former Soviet Union."

And the cherry on the cake.

For those who have already understood how distorted the understanding of the situation among Ukrainian politicians is.

Literally two short quotes:

“NATO has repeatedly proved that this is a truly international system of collective security. NATO is a certain standard that any country should strive for. "

“The CSTO has no standards, and no one guarantees or demands them. Therefore, this organization has no other goals than satisfying Putin's geopolitical ambitions. "

Again, whose president is Vladimir Putin?

Why does he decide everything in Ukraine and why can't Ukrainians live without mentioning his name?

It already seems to me that if Putin suddenly decides to become the president of Ukraine, he will win the elections of any politician of the Independent. Directly some kind of deity with them, and not a man?

A little about Belarus


I didn’t want to touch on this issue, but the other day an event took place that will have quite serious consequences for Russians and Belarusians. I mean the recent talks between the two presidents and their joint conference.

Yusov also answered the question about Belarus.

“Today we can already say for sure that the Belarusian people and Lukashenka’s regime are not the same thing.”

As far as I remember (I can, of course, be wrong), only one head of state in the entire history of mankind said "the state is me"? But Louis XIV was not president. He was king. And in his statement, he simply dotted the “i's” on the issue of absolute monarchy.

Naturally, President Lukashenko and the people of Belarus are not the same thing. Lukashenko is the representative of the majority. Like any other president.

I listened attentively to the press conference of Presidents Putin and Lukashenko. Unlike some analysts, I do not believe that we need to quickly unite into a single state. The union state is not a mini-USSR, it is a union of two states. Nobody joins in and nobody takes new territories for themselves. We are simply aligning the development of countries. The economy and everything else should be roughly equal.

This is exactly what is happening now. Yes, given our opportunities in the economy, today we are helping Belarusians to raise their standard of living. Yes, we are sometimes forced to infringe on our own businessmen for the sake of the development of such industries in Belarus. But this is what will ultimately lead to an equal union.

The Ukrainian expert reduces everything to primitive human "wishlist". Pan Yusov cannot even admit that the presidents can think about their own people.

“If we are talking about Lukashenka’s regime, of course, his field for maneuvers has very narrowed. Nevertheless, he still does not give an unambiguous answer about the readiness to create a Union State with the Russian Federation. Still, for him, the role of the leader of a separate country, albeit a dictator, is closer and more understandable than the head of some federal district of Russia.

But for Putin, in fact, it is more profitable to use Lukashenka's resource as a pro-Russian dictator of Belarus, against the background of which he will constantly remind his Western colleagues that he is in control of the situation. "

Thoughts after reading the article


Sad.

Sad for the Ukrainians. It is sad for those Kazakhstanis who listen and read Exclusive.

It is sad for those who have forgotten how to think logically. I would say that the questions of Kazakh journalists and the answers of the Ukrainian expert are mutually exclusive. It was not for nothing that I wrote above about those who received a Soviet education.

I'll just refresh my memory a little.

NATO, unlike the CSTO, is a military-political bloc. At one time, he was also opposed by the military-political bloc of the Internal Affairs Directorate. After the collapse of the OVD, NATO did not dissolve itself after the disappearance of the enemy.

Further about the confrontation between NATO and Russia.

Has the alliance of Russia never opposed?

Then where did the bloc's troops come from on our borders?

Why does NATO not even hide its desire to divide, for example, Siberia or the Northern Sea Route?

What the Ukrainian expert reproaches the CSTO for is its strength. It is a military alliance that serves to defend against external enemies. Nobody and nobody imposes their values. The internal policy of the member states in the CSTO is not regulated. Let me remind you of the recent events in Nagorno-Karabakh.

I would rather reproach NATO and its "master" - the United States for imposing their own values ​​on other states. It was the Americans who came up with the very standards that Yusov urges to strive for.

So where is our democracy and where is the dictatorship? Which block?

And again about the article.

Everything is clear with the Ukrainians. We wanted the best, it turned out as always. The understanding came that those who shouted about friendship and love the most, Poles, Balts and other Germans, treat Ukrainians today as slaves.

And those who are equal in “achievements” and desires, Moldova and Georgia, are in exactly the same position of the colonies.

But why do the Kazakhs need it? More precisely - to Kazakhstanis, given that the publication is Russian-language?

What, besides the collapse of the economy and the collapse of society, does Yusin offer?

It'S Nothing!

The article is so overwhelmed with primitive Anglo-Saxon propaganda that it evokes a disgusting feeling. A provocation to push British propaganda into Central Asia.

It remains only to urge those who read such honest and objective materials, think ...

Think so as not to cry later ...
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  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 14 September 2021 15: 13
    +6
    “NATO has repeatedly proved that this is a truly international system of collective security. NATO is a certain standard that any country should strive for. "

    This is the most important "cherry on the cake" to which Ukraine is striving, but as one madam said: "You are several light years away from NATO and the EU." And the "cherry" just turned sour before it could get on the cake.
    1. Silver bullet
      Silver bullet 14 September 2021 15: 21
      +5
      Experts would like to advise such a miracle - when talking about NATO like a cherry, do not forget about the sour lemon, which was eaten by those who exchanged independence for ephemeral collective security.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 September 2021 15: 27
        +3
        Quote: Silver bullet
        don't forget the sour lemon eaten by those who traded independence for ephemeral collective security.

        Afghanistan was promised more than Ukraine, and hundreds of times more aid was allocated, and instead of a cherry they put sugar for a sea mine with quinine.
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 14 September 2021 15: 24
      +2
      The outskirts are now a kingdom, or rather a farm (where are the raguli to the kingdom) of crooked mirrors. And the inhabitants of the outskirts will gladly swallow all the pseudo-experts. The main thing they have is to find the extreme in their troubles.
      1. Machito
        Machito 14 September 2021 16: 26
        +8
        Russia survived the invasion of Genghis Khan's hordes, and as a result, our tanks traveled all over Mongolia, capturing half of Genghis Khan's lands.
        Russia buried the hordes of the European Union of Napoleon, captured Paris, giving the name Bistro to French cafes.
        Russia buried Hitler's hordes of the European Union by hoisting the banner of Victory over the ruins of Berlin.
        I sincerely believe that our Victory banner will still fly over the ruins of the White House in Fashington, and a simple Russian soldier will write on the half-collapsed wall: Satisfied with the ruins of the Pentagon. Point.
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 15 September 2021 14: 08
          +2
          Quote: Bearded
          Russia survived the invasion of Genghis Khan's hordes, and as a result, our tanks traveled all over Mongolia, capturing half of Genghis Khan's lands.

          How !?!? We had tanks then, but Genghis Khan did not? Can not be!
          1. Machito
            Machito 15 September 2021 14: 11
            +1
            In 1939 we drove into Mongolia in tanks.
            Moscow was not built in a day. laughing good
    3. Napayz
      Napayz 15 September 2021 21: 36
      0
      the cherry was "drunk" :)
  3. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 14 September 2021 15: 30
    +3
    It’s good that I don’t read the foreign press, because I don’t speak Australian, Greenlandic, Canadian, or British and North American languages. smile The office writes. Everyone writes and not for free. It is banal and not interesting to write about peace and friendship between peoples. And tales from the crypt have always been popular, as have the X-Files with Agents Scully and Mulder. And it doesn't make sense to tear your soul out in response to it.
    1. AC130 Ganship
      AC130 Ganship 14 September 2021 16: 10
      -5
      Daniil Konovalenko,
      In fact, knowing a foreign language is not bad at all. And when you learn Canadian, you will be the first citizen of the planet to speak it :)
      But seriously, all the media around the world are bought and say what the owner ordered to say. Soloviev at prime time on 1tv for example.
      Knowledge of a foreign language simply makes it possible to hear and read in the original, without any additions from the translator and / or Kostya Ernst
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 15 September 2021 05: 25
        +1
        Quote: AC130 Ganship
        Knowledge of a foreign language simply makes it possible to hear and read in the original, without any additions from the translator and / or Kostya Ernst

        Interestingly, what you can read in the original, for example, in Estonian. laughing
        The circle of my interests is minimal and I sincerely regret that I do not know ancient Greek, Latin, French, German and Italian at a decent level. English can be added to these - Osprey's publications on history are amazing.
        And many fiction books have to wait until they are translated.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 September 2021 23: 04
          +1
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Interestingly, what you can read in the original, for example, in Estonian.

          You can read in Russian, Estonian laws https://www.juristaitab.ee/ru/zakonodatelstvo
      2. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 20 September 2021 09: 42
        +1
        And when you learn Canadian, you will be the first citizen of the planet to speak it :)
        .. I will learn Canadian when you master Greenlandic and Australian, or at least learn the greeting in these languages. laughing
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 14 September 2021 15: 33
    0
    But I accidentally read in Inosmi.ru an article from the Kazakh edition of Exclusive entitled "The CSTO is an instrument of pressure, not security."
    ... And sho, NATO is some other ??? A fresh dowry ... not long ago HeHemon put pressure on everyone at the expense of the babosiks, only a squeak stood, all sorts of small ones expressed ... approvals!
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 14 September 2021 15: 36
    0
    Think so as not to cry later ...
    ... Thinking is generally useful! Yes, you can also live by your own thinker, and not borrow any breed from anyone .... but also, you can get a full-grown kyrdets.
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  7. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 14 September 2021 16: 04
    -8
    Although initially the author's article was not about this, at the end he touched a little on the topic of the Russian Federation - RB.
    Russia is undoubtedly interested in the presence of a unified air defense system with RB and the possibility of using its air bases.
    Economically, the accession of Belarus to Russia will be slightly better than the Crimea. RB still produces goods (tractor Belarus for example), which consumers are forced to take only by calling from above.
    And the last thing. Although today the question is not so straightforward, I would still like to see the so-called. The "authorities" held direct referendums both in the Russian Federation and in the Republic of Belarus on the topic: what the people think.
    There are many socialist systems ready to smile happily at the Russians in exchange for money, loans and weapons. This does not mean, however, that one should unite with any Cuba or Venezuela. Even if they don't mind ...
  8. nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 September 2021 16: 31
    +4
    All former Soviet republics have been fenced off with walls of nationalism. Now we are connected by a military alliance. But this is not enough. It is necessary to build up cultural, sports and economic ties. What is stopping us? In each of these countries, local truth and justice are latently promoted. Try playing more than one pipe in the EU? No one will dare to do this. Everyone has the same problem. Everyone wants to be like Western countries. And no one wants to be together. We drew mirages. And the whole trouble lies in the ideological plane. But in practice? If they do adopt experience, it is only for the showcase, and that which brings immediate benefit.
  9. ammunition
    ammunition 14 September 2021 17: 02
    0
    - Elder Jonah (Odessa), one of the most revered elders in the Orthodox world. The righteous elder, repeated at every service, at every meeting with pilgrims and their spiritual children: "There is no separate Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, but there is one Holy Russia" - only in unity will there be Victory over evil.
    Every minus for this post - I will count as a medal! smile
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 14 September 2021 17: 32
    +3
    A provocation to push British propaganda into Central Asia.
    and what prevents to put a barrier to British propaganda and push through their own?
    Think so as not to cry later ...
    and then whom you call them, now it's fun, they are having fun from the heart for about 30 years smile
  11. PPD
    PPD 14 September 2021 18: 10
    +1
    The phrase of Louis was said to the representatives of the parliament, they tortured something like this: "Gentlemen, do you think that the state is you? You are mistaken, the state is me!"
    The meaning and subtext, where power is concentrated, is at the parliament or at the king.
    You can remember the massacres in the Rada 10-15 years ago.
  12. Revival
    Revival 14 September 2021 18: 58
    -3
    I correctly understood that I was discharged a violation for what I wrote in the comments, that the staver article is cloudy and written just to write !! ??
    I think most of his articles are those that I read.
    This is already an insult to us !?

    PS
    And "domokl", who wrote me a violation, is this a staver?
    If so, then everything is clear ..
    Then I remove the requirement of adequacy ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 September 2021 23: 07
      +1
      Quote: Revival
      PS
      And "domokl", who wrote me a violation, is this a staver?
      If so, then everything is clear ..
      Then I remove the requirement of adequacy ...

      Well, this is certainly not human. I write and I punish.
      1. Revival
        Revival 16 September 2021 00: 03
        +1
        I always disagree with you.
        But, thank you sincerely for your comment.
        This is precisely the catch, since it is precisely insults that I do not admit in my comment.
  13. Seld
    Seld 14 September 2021 19: 19
    0
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    It’s good that I don’t read the foreign press, because I don’t speak Australian, Greenlandic, Canadian, or British and North American languages. smile The office writes. Everyone writes and not for free. It is banal and not interesting to write about peace and friendship between peoples. And tales from the crypt have always been popular, as have the X-Files with Agents Scully and Mulder. And it doesn't make sense to tear your soul out in response to it.


    Wow...
    While listing, we managed not to admit a single stylistic error. The axumoron passed clearly.
    From what I would venture to suggest: do you still own? Usually, those who are pretty sarcastic are ironic.
    I agree with your thought. Reputable experts in the media and other chat forums do not deal with a blizzard. About bikes - I agree. If you write about peace and friendship, or academically with numbers and statistics, no media outlets will last longer than a week. They won't read.
  14. Pushkar
    Pushkar 15 September 2021 13: 59
    +2
    «NATO has never opposed itself to the CSTO and Russia. NATO is the bloc that must protect the members of the alliance". Famously. NATO was formed in 1949 and has not changed its charter since then. Even the Warsaw Pact was signed in 1956, and the CSTO after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact in 1992. So who attacks and who defends?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 September 2021 23: 10
      0
      Quote: Pushkar
      So who attacks and who defends?

      Capitalism always attacks, and there is no defense against it. So they think.
  15. Pushkar
    Pushkar 16 September 2021 15: 27
    0
    Quote: Bearded
    In 1939 we drove into Mongolia in tanks.
    Moscow was not built in a day. laughing good

    Ugh, relieved. smile smile smile drinks
  16. bbss
    bbss 16 September 2021 22: 32
    0
    Yes, they pray to Putin ... They fall asleep and wake up with his name on their lips. Repeatedly repeat his name throughout the day. Truly, Putin is the arbiter of destinies, everything and everyone in Ukraine. Amen!
  17. Victorio
    Victorio 18 September 2021 17: 55
    0
    Ukrainian expert selected
    ===
    here is another interesting expert with the last name of Pritula