Masud's militias: Remember, the Russians entered Panjshir 9 times, but could not keep it

Representatives of the militia of Ahmad Massoud continue to claim that they have not lost the Panjshir. Today's reports say that the leaders of the Afghan National Resistance Front (FANR), including Masoud and Afghan Vice President Saleh, are "in a quiet place in the Panjshir Valley." At the same time, for the umpteenth time in the militia of Ahmad Masud, they are trying to remind how "how successfully the forces of Masud Sr. acted against the Soviet troops in Panjshir in the 1980s."

From the FANR bulletin circulated today:

We continue to resist the Taliban (* a terrorist group banned in Russia). Our leaders are with us. All claims that they left Afghanistan are false. We are waging a guerrilla war. Remember, the Russians entered the Panjshir 9 times, but could not keep it.

It is important to note the change in the rhetoric of representatives of the forces of Ahmad Massoud. If earlier they stated that "the Soviet troops were never able to take Panjshir", now we are talking about what they were able to take (and there really was a capture, and more than one), but could not eventually keep it.

This change in message is due to the fact that in FANR they predict the loss of control over the Panjshir Valley by the Taliban *.

It was really difficult for the Soviet army to keep the Panjshir, as it had to rely on the Afghan armed forces and the Afghan "administration". And how the Afghan Armed Forces know how to fight is well known, even in the last example - with the withdrawal of the US Army from Afghanistan. After the capture of the Panjshir Gorge by our troops, control was mainly transferred to the local ones, but eventually militants, fostered by the Western special services, descended from the mountains, and the Panjshir again passed into their hands.

Earlier it was reported that Massoud's militias recaptured the city of Roha (Rukha) from the Taliban * to the south-west of the Panjshir capital, Bazarak. However, FANR does not show footage from Ruhi. The Taliban say that "Masood is spreading empty rumors."

Comments

[prior]

Even Massoud's militias are justified in their losses and mistakes at the expense of Russia.
Well, all Russia with a sickle in the crotch ...
The bearded ones forgot how the shuravi fed them, they built schools, houses and factories ...

[Trapp1st]

The bearded ones forgot how the shuravi fed them, they built schools, houses and factories ...

Maybe they remember, but as it turned out, they didn't need it ... Like: remember, these crazy people also built schools here)

[For example]

Remember, the Russians entered the Panjshir 9 times, but they could not keep it.

Local should hold.
They should live there.

And we gave them this opportunity nine times.
And if the Afghans had us to play on Panjer, then the Russians and even more so.

The meaning of something to conquer if they are not going to live there?
As a result, everything is back to square one.

[novel66]

but no one remembers good, the Balts are an example of this

[Ulrich]

And let's take a closer look at the Balts who do not remember the good? I'll tell the mother of my friend, otherwise she doesn't know. She and her family were sent to Siberia, she was 3, her sister was 5.

[novel66]

let's go? what did you have? swamps with cloudberries? and what happened, but about Siberia ... and the Russians were not there? Ukrainians? all the way you were a showcase of the Union, the industry and infrastructure were created for you, wasn't it?

[Ulrich]

:) Super argument. Simply gorgeous. Once they were exiled to Siberia and others, this of course changes everything at once. So I'll tell her "others were also sent, well, dear, you don't remember any good" :)
Of course, of course, only swamps. And they lived in trees. Scoops brought culture :))) The same ones that were cooked in chamber pots in 1940, because they did not know their purpose :)

[don-1500]

Once they were exiled to Siberia, then there was a reason. Probably they didn’t want to join the collective farm, damn kulaks.

[Most polite]

What ?! If only they would not be disgraced by such comments !!

[don-1500]

And I am not a shame not a drop. As soon as I complained about the voluntary entry of Latvians into the collective farm, I immediately picked up the minuses. Well, yes, of course what a shame on my part, but for you I see, the words collective farm and GULAG are directly synonyms, you are our Solzhenitsyn.

[Most polite]

Not only are you ignorant and you don’t know the history of your native country, but in addition to this you are also a petty liar ??
Let's leave your Solzhenitsyn alone, he doesn't really side with me, but here's the fact that Koreans, Meskhetian Turks, Bulgarians, Greeks grew up next to me in Kazakhstan since childhood ... this is not counting the Slavs, who for some reason ended up in our blown by everyone by the winds of the steppes !!! instead of living in your blessed land - how do you explain this ??
Also "was for what" ??

[dmmyak40]

The lot of the weak is to be under the boot of the strong. You shouldn't complain about genocide or something else: the Anglo-Saxons, the population of the Baltic states, would have multiplied by zero and would not have clamored.
But after the scoop, the Balts began to respect the whole world: NATO itself protects. And that the soldiers are outside the jurisdiction of the country and put a bolt on local laws and traditions with the tacit approval of the command, so it is normal. In vassal countries this is how they behave

[Ulrich]

By the way, about nothing I will leave here one picture from the book "The Cambridge Economic History of Modern Europe"

[neri73-r]

They sent to "Siberia" not only the Balts, but also other nationalities, including Russians. So no need to twist here .... The parents of a friend's mother had to behave differently, the whole Baltic region was not exiled. Can we pay reparations to this mother? Better yet, let this mother remember about the Latvian riflemen and other Balts and their role in the revolution ..., executions, in the civil war, in the destruction of the Jewish and Russian population in the Second World War, etc.

[Cananecat]

Siberia in our country is, in principle, multinational, not only the Balts were evicted there when there was a reason. Grandfather was nagging through the hideouts, and grandmother probably baked bread for him? State the reason for the relocation.

[75 Sergey]

It was evident for what

[dauria]

And let's take a closer look at the Balts who do not remember the good?

Come on. Balts - who or where? A piece of Russia, formerly Swedish. Conquered from the Swedes in the Northern War by Peter I and torn away by the Germans in the First World War. On the basis of German bayonets, "states" have been created that have been shaking for two decades. And those who disappeared just as they appeared. They became Russians again. And suddenly, the Balts in the 1s. I don’t understand one thing - why did Stalin in 90 need to call the Russian piece the union republics? I didn’t call Koenigsberg “the German SSR” - and there are no problems.

[isv000]

Quote: dauria

Conquered from the Swedes in the Great Northern War by Peter I

According to the Nishtadt world, all these "Balts" with the Chukhonts and Karelians were paid for and went into the eternal (!) Possession of the Russian Empire. And this was the point! Since everyone has forgotten this agreement, isn't it time to return the grandmother to Russia, with interest for three hundred years ?? !! ..

[novel66]

to whom I owe - I forgive everyone!

[isv000]

Quote: Ulrih

And let's take a closer look at the Balts who do not remember the good?

Industry, electronics, top-tier supply - okay, we're not greedy. But why did the Balts write Artman and Vaikula as traitors during the reign?! ​​..

[novel66]

Banionis has survived? what movie was .....

[Shaman]

Therefore, your acquaintance is a rare scumbag, like you, once you wear such nonsense brakes.

[isv000]

Quote: novel xnumx

but no one remembers good, the Balts are an example of this

Yeah ... With the Balts, even Viyu Artmane was recorded as traitors ...

[novel66]

eurodebilization

[knn54]

"Baba has guessed, yak a bula".

[rocket757]

Masud's militias: Remember, the Russians entered Panjshir 9 times, but could not keep it

The comparison is so-so, not relevant at the moment.
And again I would like to remind you that victory can be won not on the battlefield, but in the minds !!! What's more important, if you figure it out?

[newcomer]

Massoud learned from his benefactors to work for the public. The main thing is to hammer into the head of the Western people that there is a gorge in which "good" guys sit, for the sake of whom it is necessary to bomb Afghanistan from time to time, and it is not a sin to hook the neighbors. After all, the Yankees need to do something dirty to us and the Chinese and the packs, as the Chinese wards and the main inspirers of the Taliban.

[rocket757]

Quote: newbie

Massoud learned from his benefactors to work for the public.

He works for the wrong "public" ... he has already been written off from both sides.

[newcomer]

Yes. But I want to live at the expense of benefactors longer. And you can croak from abroad that Panjshir does not give up and live on it.

[NDR-791]

Quote: newbie

But I want to live at the expense of benefactors longer.

I'm just wondering. Do Massoud have weapons and food like mushrooms in the clearing themselves grow ??? If the Panjshir is blocked, then it can only be fully supplied from the air or by caravans. But this will already be the supply, as it were, from the CSTO countries. I am not suggesting that this is the case. I really don't understand why no one is talking about the finite resources in a really blocked area.

[rocket757]

They didn't even have time to spend what they had .... they lost before they had time to start properly.
It happens.

[newcomer]

There are enough resources to hold on for a long time. Only there would be someone.

[Sakos]

You better think about how you fucked up Shusha!

[newcomer]

My dear, you should have a little rest, it's clear business_ Friday evening , but this is not a reason to rush at people like a dog.

[Sakos]

You don't seem to be thrilled with what you started ... :)

[newcomer]

I am not delighted with such interlocutors.

[Real Pilot]

Taliban have better chances to keep Panjshir!
They have different methods, all those who disagree are sent in line to Allah quickly and efficiently ...
And there they understand ethnic characteristics, know the language. You will not be spoiled, in general!

The Soviet army behaved differently, without genocide and public executions. And the peasant turned into a militant at night during the day ... And he could not be distinguished or caught. The Taliban will not have such a problem, they are simple and local people.

[rocket757]

Quote: RealPilot

Taliban have better chances to keep Panjshir!

So where Masood learned to "partisan", the Mujahideen / Taliban were instructors ... that's all for a short time.

[don-1500]

I'm trying to imagine an Afghan "peasant" and only poppy fields come to mind ... is there any point in growing something else when there is a shortage of fertile soil? And provided that the profit will be several times, if not tens of times less.

[rocket757]

Dangerous "business", the most profitable, is not uncommon.

[dauria]

I'm trying to imagine an Afghan "peasant" and only poppy fields come to mind.

Well, they screwed up your brains with this poppy ... They live along rivers, streams and streams. Cattle breeding and agriculture. Poverty on the verge of poverty. (If you compare with us). Unfired clay, earthen floor, no electricity. Wood is worth its weight in gold By themselves, they do not expect any pensions, or medicine, or education from the "state". There is an urban stratum of merchants, a few "European professions" (doctors, teachers, the military) - but for the majority this is something distant, distant. Here is a typical settlement of pastoralists near Mazar-i-Sharif along the stream .. Behind it there are no fields - the bare sand of a waterless desert.

[LiSiCyn]

Ahmada Massoud was not lying when he said that the Panjshiris had enough ammunition for a long-term defense. The Taliban find ammunition dumps in caves all over the gorge every day.

So why did they pass Panjshir? A satellite of Afghanistan correctly wrote about the betrayal of some of the inhabitants of the valley. But still, the main factor is that the son of the Pandsher Lion never became the real leader of his community. Despite the aggressive media campaign, he was never able to convince the Panjshir people of the need for an uncompromising confrontation. Afghans were fed up with eternal war, and people simply did not want to launch a new civil confrontation.

[yfast]

Be afraid of me, because I am afraid of myself ...

[mojohed2012]

Did Massoud attend seminars with the State Department with Ze and Guaidó?

[Vasyan1971]

... are trying to remind us of "how successfully the forces of Masoud Sr. acted against the Soviet troops in Panjshir in the 1980s."

The Soviets did not chop off the heads of opponents ...

[76SSSR]

Russians entered Panjshir 9 times

Shuravi, Americans, Taliban ... Is there a passageway there?)

[Ross xnumx]

Even if not on the topic. Even if against the opinion of the majority ...
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Sometimes it seems to me that some information frames come up with and throw some "fried facts" to users, distracting them not even from life in the country, not even from events in the city or village, but simply from their daily worries about their daily bread ... Today, someone is more important than some Massoud or an organization recognized as terrorist in Russia. Does anyone remember the Heroes of the Soviet Union - the living and the fallen on the ground in Afghanistan? Put yourself in the place of those surviving parents, whose children laid down their heads for ... Imagine what the brides and wives, who did not wait for their loved ones, who died for the sake of ... in the damp earth (or who knows where), because ...
Someone wants a repetition of the covered material because of ...
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[tihonmarine]

And how the Afghan Armed Forces know how to fight is well known, even in the last example - with the withdrawal of the US Army from Afghanistan.

The statement is correct - and we all know, but the paradox is that, unlike the Armed Forces, different field commanders fought very well with their "army", not to mention the "men in slippers" from the Taliban. That is, the power in Afghanistan, whatever it is, but it is not supported by either the armed forces or the population, especially the power appointed by the most democratic US democracy has shown itself.
As Afghanistan lived and existed more than 1000 years ago, it still lives and does not want to live by Western standards.

[Reserve buildbat]

Last time the Masudik shouted that "the Russians entered Panjshir 10 times." Now 9 ... What's next? It is good for him to broadcast from India that he is "fighting" in Afghanistan

[Trapp1st]

Last time the Masudik shouted that "the Russians entered Panjshir 10 times." Now 9 ... What's next?

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[A. Privalov]

War, war, and something needs to be eaten. Until recently, US-led foreign donors provided more than 75% of government spending for the Afghan government.

UN warned that

Afghanistan is in danger of "total collapse" if the international community does not find a way to keep the money flowing into Afghanistan, despite concerns about the Taliban government.

Nearly $ 10 billion of Afghanistan's central bank assets are currently frozen overseas and are considered a key lever of influence over the new administration.

UN Special Envoy for Afghanistan Deborah Lyons told the Security Council on Thursday that

A way must be found to get money into the country “to prevent a complete collapse of the economy and social order,” noting that Afghanistan is facing a range of crises, including currency depreciation, soaring food and fuel prices and lack of cash in private banks. The authorities also do not have the funds to pay salaries.

[Murmur 55]

Lord, what CLOWNS and still think of themselves as warriors.

[75 Sergey]

The circus left, the clowns remained.

[mojohed2012]

The Russians came and left, but the Taliban are not going to leave, tk. they know the value of the noisy Masudians. Shouting about resistance is not at all something that can actually be shown on video as broken ground!
The Taliban are opposite! They said - showed, and did not bleat about "we will show you!"

[svp67]

We are waging a guerrilla war. Remember, the Russians entered the Panjshir 9 times, but they could not keep it.

Well, yes ... and how many countries supported you then? How much is it now? Where will you get weapons and ammunition?

[DIM (a)]

In general, they admitted that the USSR INTRODUCED troops when they wanted, how many times they wanted and how deeply they wanted!

[Nikolaevich I]

Came in and out ... 9 times!

and then it became not funny!

[for]

Preparing public opinion "Taliban" (the beloved wife of Russia).

[isv000]

Masud's militias: Remember, the Russians entered Panjshir 9 times, but could not keep it

9 times they wrote out shuravi bream for you, and went to the places of deployment, and you still did not understand what to enter, letting the lyulya and occupying - these are two different things ...

[Maikcg]

What formidable, they write from the cache under the cesspool.

[Metallurg_2]

After the capture of the Panjshir Gorge by our troops, control was mainly transferred to the local, but ultimately militants descended from the mountains.

To be more precise, the locals turned into militants the next morning.