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Who destroyed the Twin Towers in New York

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Who destroyed the Twin Towers in New York

The United States and the West, experiencing the crisis of capitalism, a predatory system based on loan interest, found an opportunity to throw the accumulated contradictions and problems onto the countries of the Near and Middle East. They also tried to save the bubble of the usurious system by pumping up the military-industrial complex and limited war. American big business profited from the robbery of Iraq (oil, historical and cultural values), and the Anglo-American special services established control over the heroin zone, one of the leading in the world drug trafficking.


The Anglo-Saxons traditionally oversee the world drug market.

Reasons for provocation


The main reason is the crisis of capitalism.

The predatory, parasitic nature of the system itself, of Western civilization, which has extended its standards to the whole world. The model exists only due to constant expansion, growth. As soon as growth reaches its limit, there is a reboot in the form of a world war. It allows you to plunder, master foreign territories, destroy them, and then restore them at a different level. In the First World War, the victims were the German, Russian, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires. Along the way, the United States pushed its partners in the field of economics and finance - Britain and France.

The Second World War was organized for the final defeat of the German world and the Russian (Soviet) civilization, which, unexpectedly for the masters of the West, created the nucleus of an alternative project for the future of humanity. A society of knowledge, service and creation. Therefore, the Germans and Russians were pitted against the second time. Along the way, they destroyed Europe, in order to then completely crush it. In Asia, the Westerners planned to finish off China with the hands of Japan, and then defeat and plunder the Land of the Rising Sun itself. However, all tasks were not solved. The Russians, led by Stalin, managed not only to survive, but also emerged from the world war even stronger - as a superpower.

The third world - the cold war was organized with the aim of crushing and plundering the USSR and the social bloc. But it was impossible to fight with traditional methods. The USSR created an invincible army, had an autonomous economy and a disciplined, educated people. Therefore, the stake was made on the disintegration of the ruling class, which ultimately resulted in perestroika and reforms. The Soviet Union (in essence, the Russian world-civilization) was destroyed and plundered, a system was created within which the Russians are still donors of the West and the East.

The robbery of Russia and the socialist bloc countries in Eastern and Southeastern Europe allowed the West to delay the development of the crisis for several years (the Western world, the United States were in crisis already in the 70s and 80s and were saved only due to the fall of a rival enemy). However, in the late 90s, the financial crisis covered the world community. Therefore, the masters of the United States began to look for a way out - war, reformatting the countries of the Middle East, their robbery, financial pumping of the military-industrial complex.

Counterterrorism operations became a surrogate for a large-scale world war. The war "against world terrorism", which, in essence, was created by the Anglo-Saxon, Saudi and Pakistani special services against the USSR. Now "world terrorism" was used to "reset" the world. How is the "pandemic" used now ("Pandemic" - a tool of world war).

Operation September 11


Twenty years ago, two passenger Boeing 20s crashed into the towers of the World Trade Center (WTC) in New York. The fire started. An hour and a half later, the skyscrapers collapsed. Another Boeing dived into the Pentagon. The fourth Boeing crashed in a desert area in Pennsylvania. More than 767 thousand people died and went missing, including hundreds of firefighters, doctors and rescuers who tried to rescue people in burning buildings. More than 3 thousand people were wounded.

According to the official version, the terrorist attack was organized by Osama bin Laden, and it was implemented by 19 suicide bombers. According to the unofficial one, it was the American authorities themselves who organized the attack.

When the large-scale terrorist act of September 11, 2001 took place, at first the few sober voices of people who noticed a number of oddities of the incident were drowned in an avalanche of just indignation, compassion, and a skillfully built information campaign to combat “world terrorism”.

However, it gradually became clear to many that no bearded mujahideen, in principle, could organize and conduct such a large-scale and complex operation. Terrorist fanatics trained in flight would not have been able to successfully deploy a bulk like a passenger Boeing on targets such as the World Trade Center towers.

Even the hit of large planes would not lead to the fall and destruction of skyscrapers. Wouldn't destroy the towers and fire. They would be partially burnt out and that's it. The skyscrapers were destroyed by internal explosions. Moreover, they were prepared by professionals, so the towers did not collapse on the city, but neatly folded, as in the planned destruction of old and emergency buildings.

There are a lot of all kinds of oddities and inconsistencies.

But the main proof is the political result. The American authorities have more than once used the method of provocation in order to achieve the desired result.

For example, in order to start a war with Spain and take away strategic territories (Cuba and the Philippines), the cruiser Maine was sunk in the harbor of Havana. The Americans provoked Japan to attack Pearl Harbor to take part in World War II. The Tonkin incident was the reason for the US intervention in the Vietnam War. And there are many similar examples.

Given a 100 percent pretext, the United States launched the war in Afghanistan, which ended only in August 2021.

In 2003, the Americans and their allies attacked Iraq. Saddam Hussein's regime was destroyed, and the civil war in Iraq began. Along the way, American big capital (the military-industrial complex and the oil industry) made big profits, the American crisis was delayed for several years.

The Afghan and Iraqi campaigns served as the beginning for the "reset" of the entire Near and Middle East. They became the foundation for the creation of the "black caliphate" and a new phase of the war in the Middle East.

As a result, the Middle East front of the fourth world war was opened, which is still active. And there is no end in sight to this war.

Thus, the September 11 terrorist attack was a large-scale provocation organized by the US intelligence services and their allies, with the aim of dumping the contradictions and problems caused by the crisis of capitalism, the United States and the West as a whole. The war on "world terrorism" made it possible to delay the onset of a large-scale crisis-depression - by pumping up the military-industrial complex, profits from the oil industry, and robbing countries that were under attack.

Also, the conservative (neocon) wing of the American elite tried to implement the concept of a unipolar world led by the United States. After the terrorist attack, American law and Washington's political decisions began to dominate international and national legal norms. And inside the country, the authorities were able to "tighten the screws", dramatically increase the role and weight of the special services, creating a totalitarian fascist state.

Later, when the bet on a unipolar world was beaten, the United States began to plunge the Near and Middle East into controlled chaos.

Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen were turned into a battlefield, and other countries are next. This is already the concept of the globalist-democrats. Their visible leaders are Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

Now that the Americans have withdrawn from Afghanistan, they continue to pursue a policy of controlled chaos. Moreover, the globalists are ready to sacrifice the United States itself, where the patriots led by Trump lost. We can now see the rebuilding of America itself.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 12 September 2021 04: 31
    +11
    the whole world is a theater ... an obvious lie is elevated to the rank of truth, and everyone pretends that it is necessary, although in their hearts they know that it is a lie.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 12 September 2021 06: 44
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      ... However, gradually it became clear to many that no bearded mujahideen, in principle, could not to organize and carry out such a large-scale and complex operation.

      But in Russia РјРѕРіР »Ryo! It was not only buildings in capitalist America that fell, houses in capitalist Russia fell before. And I am very worried about the murky Ryazan story. Found the Mujahideen who planted Ryazan sugar? Name them.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 12 September 2021 07: 34
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        Russians led by Stalin managed not only to survive, but also emerged from the world war even stronger - a superpower.

        And what did you end up with? Truth? We are told that Russians have never lived as well as they did under Putin!

        But if that superpower was made by the Russians with Stalin, then the current one is made by Putin and the oligarchs. Without them, now in general nothing. As well as without guest workers. It was really more difficult for Putin! But, a master of cunning plans and a clever multi-walker, he got out of a hopeless situation. He put an end to the dashing 90s, cursed Yeltsin and condemned the predatory privatization!

        And now, under the communist Putin, the citizens of Russia are fully enjoying the fruits of the capitalist paradise.
        An excellent result of Stalin's undertakings!
        1. 210ox
          210ox 12 September 2021 20: 42
          +7
          The result of the Stalinist undertakings in the mid and late 50s: the restored industry, cities, the bomb and space. And much more. Which we are using now. And I have a question for the provocateur Samsonov. This is how the Germans and Russians were built in World War II ?. What is this high?
          1. well
            well 13 September 2021 13: 46
            +3
            That is how it is. Russia and Germany were knocked head-on both in the first and in the second world war by the British, French and the United States. They can do that. Why go far, but Ukraine. The people closest to Russia became the enemy.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 13 September 2021 16: 22
              0
              What are you? Alternative or fool? Who played off the USSR and the Third Reich? Aliens or did Hitler decide to increase the living space?
              1. well
                well 14 September 2021 16: 12
                +2
                Just ask the question who benefits from it. The USSR was against the Versailles Treaty, the USSR trained German military pilots in Lipetsk. A non-aggression pact was signed. And suddenly attack the USSR, being at war with Britain and the United States? This is somehow strange. I do not pretend to create an alternative history, but I do not believe that the war began solely because of Hitler's desire, without the participation of England and the United States.
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 16 September 2021 16: 10
                  0
                  I do not pretend to create an alternative history, but I do not believe that the war began solely because of Hitler's desire, without the participation of England and the United States.
                  And where is the alternative history here? Everything was so, confirmed by the real actions of the USA, England and France (!!!!) in the 30-40s of the 20th century.
            2. mikstepanenko
              mikstepanenko 14 September 2021 12: 12
              0
              In the 30s of the last century, almost all of the US industry worked for two customers. On the Union and on Germany, approximately equally. Military factories were built here and there.
              1. 210ox
                210ox 14 September 2021 16: 31
                0
                Yes, that's right. There are benefit reasons and a great depression for this. The capitalists, finding themselves in a difficult economic situation, began to work for the developing economies of two states - the USSR and Germany.
        2. Dimon-SPG
          Dimon-SPG 15 September 2021 16: 25
          0
          Have you tried it?
    2. Old Horseradish
      Old Horseradish 13 September 2021 14: 52
      -5
      Learn materiel and everything will become clear.
      Under New York City law, a demolition method must be provided before a building is constructed. This method, by laying underground nuclear charges of limited power, was provided. Nobody, of course, was going to blow it up. It was like a simple formality. But times are changing, hard times have come in America and some geniuses have come up with an idea. So they embodied it. By the way, the Soviet Union knew very well about these nuclear charges. The USA informed the USSR, the USSR informed the USA.
      In the USSR, many underground explosions were practiced to search for minerals, for gas storages, for underground storages.
      It was a common practice.
      By the way, in Russia there is a big surge in cancer due to these underground nuclear explosions.
      Yes, by the way, now the same surge in cancer in New York. More than 70 thousand cancer diseases among the liquidators of the terrorist attack and residents of the city.
      1. Old Horseradish
        Old Horseradish 14 September 2021 17: 52
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        For the first time in 20 years! On the central television channel of Russia! Sensational explanation of the September 11, 2001 attacks.
        Dmitry Khalezov Former officer of the special control service of the USSR Ministry of Defense
        11.09.21. In the center of events with Anna Prokhorova | 20 years of the terrorist attack in New York. Is it really their own?
    3. ver_
      ver_ 17 September 2021 14: 52
      0
      ..the Jews know everything ..
  2. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 12 September 2021 04: 36
    +22
    There is nothing special to add. It's like that.
    Unless, there are facts that the TsVT towers, several months before the destruction, were insured for an astronomical amount, and at the time of the attack there was not a single person from the top management in them. To donate several thousand ordinary employees, for the sake of the Middle Eastern billions, for the owners of the bilderberg club, is like sending two bytes.
    1. Professor
      Professor 12 September 2021 06: 13
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      Quote: Al_lexx
      Unless, there are facts that the TsVT towers, several months before the destruction, were insured for an astronomical amount, and at the time of the attack there was not a single person from the top management in them.

      Facts? So it won't be difficult for you to show us the insurance policy and the list from the top management? By the way, there were hundreds of companies in the Center. Did all their managers survive?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 12 September 2021 06: 46
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        The main reason is the crisis of capitalism.
        May I suggest that, for example, the tragedy of "Winter Cherry" These are similar reasons? After all, we live under capitalism. Or they will rush to me now to prove that capitalism was in the 90s, and now it is just heaven on earth.
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 12 September 2021 08: 00
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        Quote: Professor
        Facts? So it won't be difficult for you to show

        Oleg, why are you sticking to a man. A friend on REN TV spied on who destroyed the twins. A man came out onto the balcony, smoked such a dangerous situevina FROM ALL SIDES, and the man had only one way out ... to return to the room and lean to the screen. And the screen he the creature is magnificent, there is also not such a weave.
        1. Uran53
          Uran53 13 September 2021 07: 59
          +9
          Watch Juliet Chiesa's investigation on 11.09/XNUMX.
        2. atakan
          atakan 13 September 2021 13: 40
          +3
          And this community is fucking worldwide
          Which is hastily preparing for battle,
          Since you, now without ideas,
          They kill children with cluster bombs
          Once the verdict of the prosecution was ready
          And I am guilty of death for those "twins"
          The mustachioed dictator is a Sunni Saddamka,
          The only one guilty is that he sits on oil,
          Got in a Bush goat speech
          He declared war that the Evil Empire,
          Where the Afghans flew in between,
          Who were bombed by the Americans
          For the fact that bin Laden was hiding in Afghanistan,
          Which is the scapegoat given
          For the towers that Bush crashed.

          But the long-awaited and full p..ts (!),
          Which will come to me at last
          By the will of the community, damn it, the world,
          Which puts anyone in the place of a freak
          Since you, without unnecessary ideas,
          They kill children with cluster bombs
          Once the verdict of the prosecution was ready
          And I am guilty of death for those "twins"
          The mustachioed dictator is a Sunni Saddamka,
          The only one guilty is that he sits on oil,
          Got in a Bush goat speech
          He declared war that the Evil Empire,
          Where the Afghans flew in between,
          Who were bombed by the Americans
          For the fact that bin Laden was hiding in Afghanistan,
          Which is the scapegoat given
          For the towers that Bush crashed!
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 12 September 2021 08: 02
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        Unless, there are facts that the TsVT towers, several months before the destruction, were insured for an astronomical amount, and at the time of the attack there was not a single person from the top management in them.

        Data?

        On September 11, a doc. Film-investigation, shot by the Americans, was shown on a Russian TV station ... It contains the "facts" you need ... Alas, I can't say for sure what kind of film; since I "hardly watched" it, but it was shown, which means it can be found ... on Russian TV programs!
        1. Professor
          Professor 12 September 2021 08: 54
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Quote: Professor
          Unless, there are facts that the TsVT towers, several months before the destruction, were insured for an astronomical amount, and at the time of the attack there was not a single person from the top management in them.

          Data?

          On September 11, a doc. Film-investigation, shot by the Americans, was shown on a Russian TV station ... It contains the "facts" you need ... Alas, I can't say for sure what kind of film; since I "hardly watched" it, but it was shown, which means it can be found ... on Russian TV programs!

          Well, Russian TV is of course a doc. fellow

          Quote: NDR-791
          Here, Professor, you FACT !!! The picture is called "Boeing invisible"

          Why don't you show the wreckage in close-up? Like the Americans planted them later? Hollywood?
          By the way, what about the passengers of this real flight?

          Quote: Vlad69
          Yes, very similar to being hit by a 47-meter Boeing757. And they do believe. Even though the break itself screams that this is nonsense!

          Well, what do you think the hit of the 47-seven-meter Boeing757 looks like?
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 12 September 2021 09: 02
            +15
            Quote: Professor
            Well, Russian TV is of course a doc.

            Once again, I explain clearly ... A documentary film made by the Americans!
            1. Professor
              Professor 12 September 2021 09: 23
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              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Quote: Professor
              Well, Russian TV is of course a doc.

              Once again, I explain clearly ... A documentary film made by the Americans!

              AND? An author's film made by a US citizen became a documentary? Show you the "American Filmed Documentary" about how the aliens stole them? request
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 12 September 2021 10: 24
                +2
                Not worth it ... From our table to your table ... Here is a small fraction of what can be found in the internet ... But who cares !? The whole "company" is out of step, but the Professor is in step!
                1. Liam
                  Liam 12 September 2021 10: 32
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                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  Here is a small fraction of what can be found on the internet

                  Especially the title of 3 search results confirms your nonsense)
                  Here is another small fraction of what people like you can find on the Internet

                  Much can be found on the Internet ... the main thing is that imagination is enough
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 12 September 2021 11: 31
                    +31
                    Quote: Liam
                    Especially the title of 3 search results confirms your nonsense)

                    Listen, weren't you in 2019 who enlightened us with such pearls:
                    Quote: Liam
                    I understand that this is a miracle remade from a crane that has not yet laid a kilometer of pipes anywhere, with a crew without any experience in such matters, without serious certifications, guarantees, an insurance company to cover billions of dollars of damage in the event of anything and a cannon shot will not allow access to the main gas pipeline worth $ 10 billion.

                    Or another:
                    Quote: Liam
                    Listen less to the drawer. In reality, there is nobody and nothing to finish

                    Now you are also a specialist in undermining the "twins" have become - progress is evident!
                    The quality of the forecasts, however, raises doubts ...
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                  3. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 12 September 2021 13: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: Liam
                    Much can be found on the Internet ... the main thing is that imagination is enough

                    Your vomit, but your mouth ... yes
                2. Professor
                  Professor 12 September 2021 11: 07
                  .
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  Not worth it ... From our table to your table ... Here is a small fraction of what can be found in the internet ... But who cares !? The whole "company" is out of step, but the Professor is in step!

                  I’ll find something else for you:


                  It is the entire company who knows who attacked the Towers, but there are individuals here trying to tell that the company is out of step.
                  1. alch3mist
                    alch3mist 12 September 2021 15: 02
                    +4
                    It is the entire company who knows who attacked the Towers, but there are individuals here trying to tell that the company is out of step.

                    There are more individuals than zombies.
                  2. nemez
                    nemez 14 September 2021 08: 31
                    0
                    If you believe the Talmud, then God is only for Jews. If the Koran is for the faithful Arabs. And there are many examples. The question is whether God is open.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 14 September 2021 09: 21
                      0
                      Quote: nemez
                      If you believe the Talmud, then God is only for Jews. If the Koran is for the faithful Arabs. And there are many examples. The question is whether God is open.

                      Lie. There is no such thing in the Talmud.
              2. dauria
                dauria 12 September 2021 10: 54
                +3
                Show you the "American Filmed Documentary" about how the aliens stole them?


                Aren't you ashamed, Oleg? You have your blessed ones in Israel, make fun of them. Leave ours alone.
                And then I also have a "conspiracy theory" looming. The author throws up nonsense from RenTV, you start the audience. Half the money.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 12 September 2021 11: 09
                  -7
                  Quote: dauria
                  Aren't you ashamed, Oleg? You have your blessed ones in Israel, make fun of them. Leave ours alone.

                  It's more interesting with yours. Ours are more aggressive. Climate...

                  Quote: dauria
                  And then I also have a "conspiracy theory" looming. The author throws up nonsense from RenTV, you start the audience. Half the money.

                  25%/75% wink
                  1. dauria
                    dauria 12 September 2021 11: 32
                    -1
                    Ours are more aggressive.


                    By the way .. an interesting topic. The influence of Soviet education on the percentage of "blessed". You have a significant "our" stratum there. Is there a difference between locals and visitors? What about fortune-tellers, isoterics, aliens, perpetual motion machines, and so on? Or people are the same everywhere ...
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 12 September 2021 12: 23
                      -6
                      The Soviets, if they do not believe in something, then do not believe fanatically. And vice versa. This is on average. In general, the level of education greatly influences. Well, as I wrote, the Soviets are less aggressive.
                      1. nemez
                        nemez 13 September 2021 07: 46
                        +3
                        What kind of education do you have? Really Harvard? Wasn't the towers demolished by a controlled detonation. I’m not a bomber, but I’ve read a lot on this topic. And I watched a lot of video material, so I’m sure of it.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 13 September 2021 08: 19
                        -3
                        Quote: nemez
                        What kind of education do you have? Really Harvard? Wasn't the towers demolished by a controlled detonation. I’m not a bomber, but I’ve read a lot on this topic. And I watched a lot of video material, so I’m sure of it.

                        Since you are sure of this, then I will not persuade you. I will not even say that in any explosion, glass should have flown out of the building, but this did not happen.

                        My alma mater is Technion.
                      3. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 13 September 2021 09: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: Professor

                        Since you are sure of this, then I will not persuade you. I will not even say that in any explosion, glass should have flown out of the building, but this did not happen.

                        Yes, if the epicenter of the explosion is above the ground. But the "Towers", or rather their supports, were undermined not by one powerful explosion, but by explosions, according to the number of supports, and "underground."
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 13 September 2021 10: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Quote: Professor

                        Since you are sure of this, then I will not persuade you. I will not even say that in any explosion, glass should have flown out of the building, but this did not happen.

                        Yes, if the epicenter of the explosion is above the ground. But the "Towers", or rather their supports, were undermined not by one powerful explosion, but by explosions, according to the number of supports, and "underground."

                        Even with a super duper duper directional explosion, the blast wave spreads in all directions. Why not one glass flew out during the explosion INSIDE the towers? Do not answer. Not interested.
                      5. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 13 September 2021 11: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor
                        Do not answer. Not interested.

                        Of course not interesting, because - I believe.
                        During the explosion in the basements of the towers, you stood nearby and saw that they collapsed with whole glass windows. laughing
                  2. nemez
                    nemez 13 September 2021 09: 44
                    +1
                    any explosion should have blown out glass from the building, but this was not the case. Either you are lying about your education, or you do not know that especially strong multi-layer double-glazed windows are placed in skyscrapers. And given that the explosions were directed, from the corners of the building, the glass should not have All the more, if you follow your logic, the stress on the structure would squeeze out the glass even before it falls.
  3. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 12 September 2021 09: 46
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    Well, Russian TV is of course a doc.

    Again, malicious Zionists slander domestic television. You better confess. Towers, is this your doing?
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 13 September 2021 08: 08
      +3
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      Again, malicious Zionists slander domestic television. You better confess. Towers, is this your doing?

      the fact that ours is understandable.
      just still arguing why we needed it.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 12 September 2021 11: 27
    +11
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    On September 11, a doc. Film-investigation, shot by the Americans, was shown on a Russian "TV set" ... It contains the "facts" you need ...

    Yes, on the first channel on September 11 at 10.15 am they showed an American film about the explosions of twins "20 years later. The riddle of September XNUMX" - so it is hardly worth making fun of our television, this film was not created by us.
    Well, let the giggles try to refute what is described in the film - the flag is in their hands.
    1. victor50
      victor50 12 September 2021 22: 32
      +1
      Quote: ccsr
      so it's hardly worth making fun of our television, this film was not created by us

      But obviously our TV showed it with joy! laughing
  • stels_07
    stels_07 14 September 2021 19: 24
    0
    9/11 investigation from scratch, for example
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 12 September 2021 08: 06
    +16
    Quote: Professor
    Data?

    Another Boeing dived into the Pentagon.
    Here, Professor, you FACT !!! The picture is called "Boeing invisible" wassat
    .
    I'm still digging in the net now, I will find footage of the Boeing explosion BEFORE the collision with the second tower. They probably are, you need to be able to search. And the fact was - I personally watched it live.
    1. Vlad69
      Vlad69 12 September 2021 08: 42
      +17
      Yes, very similar to being hit by a 47-meter Boeing757. And they do believe. Even though the break itself screams that this is nonsense!
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 12 September 2021 09: 36
        +15
        Quote: Vlad69
        Yes, very similar to being hit by a 47-meter Boeing757


        Development of an explosion from a surveillance camera. Boeing height 19,4 m. Even with broken wheels - a three-story house with a roof together. But he's not there, just not there !!! In general, my vision is an internal explosion.
        1. Liam
          Liam 12 September 2021 10: 06
          0
          Quote: NDR-791
          But he's not there, just not there !!! And in general my vision

        2. Liam
          Liam 12 September 2021 10: 24
          -8
          Quote: NDR-791
          Boeing height 19,4m

          I wonder what you mean by the height of the plane ...

          Boeing 757-300 specifications:

          Fuselage Diameter: 3,7m.
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 13 September 2021 08: 57
            +5
            Quote: Liam
            I wonder what you mean by the height of the plane ...

            The same as everyone who can read elementary drawings
            1. Liam
              Liam 13 September 2021 09: 44
              -6
              Quote: NDR-791
              The same as everyone who can read elementary drawings

              People whose intelligence is at least slightly higher than the level ...I look in a book I see a fig... will notice that the height in this figure is given from the extended landing gear to the highest point of the tail assembly. However, at the moment of impact, the landing gear is retracted and the impact is made by the fuselage of the aircraft ... which is 3,7 meters in diameter. Although it is difficult to expect from a person who cannot see the aircraft in the video such complex thought processes.

              But he's not there, just not there !!! In general, my vision is an internal explosion

              Visions are like that; they do not fit well with reality.
              1. NDR-791
                NDR-791 13 September 2021 10: 42
                +8
                Read about the chassis above. And in general, I am always amazed at the ability of people to see not what they are, but what they want. wassat

                That is, it is still burning, still being extinguished, and the plane with a dry mass of 64 tons. have already been safely removed.
                1. Liam
                  Liam 13 September 2021 11: 42
                  -6
                  Quote: NDR-791
                  aircraft dry weight 64t. have already been safely removed

                  It is useless to ask a person with such intelligence if he imagines what an airplane turns into when hitting at a speed of 800 km / h and what remains of it, although everyone has seen the scenes of plane crashes more than once.



                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 14 September 2021 19: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: Liam
                    if he imagines what the plane will turn into upon impact at a speed of 800 km hour and what remains of it.

                    A PASSENGER plane, unlike a combat plane, cannot fly at such a speed at low altitudes - it would simply collapse before reaching the Pentagon. That is why, when approaching, they sharply reduce the speed and release the flaps - this is explained at school in physics lessons.
                    It may be enough to fantasize - you have already got the local audience with fairy tales about the unfinished SP-2. Can you calm down?
        3. ccsr
          ccsr 12 September 2021 11: 35
          +13
          Quote: NDR-791
          Development of an explosion from a surveillance camera.

          By the way, according to American data, about 60 more video cameras were supposed to record the flight of this aircraft, but for some reason they did not work or their video materials were seized and so far no one has seen them. Of course, all this "coincidentally" coincided ...
      2. Andrew3000
        Andrew3000 12 September 2021 14: 09
        0
        The pun prophesied this event! ...
    2. depressant
      depressant 12 September 2021 09: 04
      +18
      First objection to the Professor.

      The attack on Gemini began at 8:46 New York time. Plus 7 hours. It turns out 15:46 Moscow time.
      A few minutes before this moment, I went into the room where the TV on the NTV channel was working. On the screen - the twin towers, removed from a very comfortable position. As I understood later - with a TV camera! A TV camera designed for live broadcasting to the whole world. It means that someone ordered to put it in the place from where the upcoming terrorist act will be seen in the most convenient way. Visible! In a convenient way! The camera was turned on a few minutes before the start of the "show"!
      The immobility of the TV picture surprised me. There were no comments. Looking at the screen and going about my business in this room, I decided that it was some kind of movie, and when the first plane crashed into one of the twins, I said to myself: "Action movie, fantastic!" But then Pyotr Ravnov got worried, obviously translating the American commentator.
      A terrorist attack was undoubtedly expected. But no large buildings, except for the Twins, were shown on the air before the start of the terrorist attack! So they knew that the plane was flying to the Gemini? Excuses like, they say, could not stop, they were afraid to sacrifice passengers and other nonsense are not accepted. The passengers were doomed anyway! After all, it was clear that the upcoming terrorist attack could not consist in the fact that, flying past the towers, the terrorists would just shake their fingers at them. It is clear, but not stopped, not shot down. Because it was a production!
      It was a staged terrorist attack!
      The TV camera was placed where it was necessary, and it found the terrorists, but the US Air Force warplanes did not find them.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 12 September 2021 09: 18
        +10
        Quote: depressant
        They put the TV camera where it should be,

        And more than one camera. The switch went on all evening. In the second hour of the broadcast, the cameras were called "survey". It is just not clear what they were originally supposed to survey at a height of 7-10 floors and above.
        1. ViacheslavS
          ViacheslavS 13 September 2021 14: 45
          +1
          It is surprising that adults think so seriously, that is, TV reporters were told in advance to move to the Gemini towers, there would be something there, or were they immediately told that there would be a terrorist attack with the help of planes?
          1. Uran53
            Uran53 14 September 2021 02: 20
            0
            Why not? Then, by a strange coincidence, the WTC filmed several professional cameras from different angles. Do you think this is a coincidence?
            1. ViacheslavS
              ViacheslavS 14 September 2021 12: 12
              -1
              Well, as far as I remember and refreshed the materiel, the impact of the first plane was captured on an amateur camera, a fire that naturally started, attracted the attention of professional reporters and operators, then about 14 minutes later there was an attack on the second tower by another plane, which had already hit the lens of many cameras ...
              But you yourself think, why would the CIA (let’s say they were behind the attack), it would be necessary to inform the operators in advance about moving to the shooting location, even if there was not a single video recording of the aircraft hitting the towers, media coverage, shock, etc. the terrorist attack would not have been less.
      2. Professor
        Professor 12 September 2021 09: 27
        .
        Quote: depressant
        A few minutes before this moment, I went into the room where the TV on the NTV channel was working. On the screen - the twin towers, removed from a very comfortable position. As I understood later - with a TV camera! A TV camera designed for live broadcasting to the whole world. It means that someone ordered to put it in the place from where the upcoming terrorist act will be seen in the most convenient way. Visible! In a convenient way! The camera was turned on a few minutes before the start of the "show"!

        You are talking about an attack on the second tower. It goes without saying that ALL TV cameras in New York were directed at the Towers at this time. The attack on the first Tower was filmed by an amateur camera.

        Quote: depressant
        The TV camera was placed where it was necessary, and it found the terrorists, but the US Air Force warplanes did not find them.

        Combat aircraft were not looking for anyone. Why look for a pair of off-course liners?
        1. depressant
          depressant 12 September 2021 09: 55
          +10
          The attack on the first Tower was filmed by an amateur camera.


          Oh really? And an amateur camera a few minutes before the start of the terrorist act was put on air - I emphasize this! - on the air, not letting in the professional, aimed at the second Gemini? Giving a still picture exactly to the first Gemini. So it was straightforwardly intuitively calculated which Gemini would be struck first? Yes, they knew in advance. And the "amateur" camera is sewn with white thread. As if "Oh, how unexpected! And we did not have time to prepare! Oh, thanks to the lover!"
          Come on, Professor!
          This "amateur" was a professional who was put in the right place at the right time in advance. In order to create an image of the CIA's or someone else's involvement in the staged terrorist act among the layman all over the world.
          Like, no one expected such impudence from terrorists. Even the all-knowing American intelligence.
          And about the attack on the Pentagon, I generally keep quiet. Let other people talk about this circus. If they want to.
          1. Liam
            Liam 12 September 2021 10: 11
            +1
            Quote: depressant
            Oh really? And an amateur camera a few minutes before the start of the terrorist act was put on air - I emphasize this! - on the air, not letting in the professional, aimed at the second Gemini? Giving a still picture exactly to the first Gemini

            Share a link to the video of the first tower attack?
            1. depressant
              depressant 12 September 2021 11: 05
              +3
              Just go to Yandex and type in the search engine "attack on the Twin Towers", and you will be shown everything about the terrorist attack.
              All my memories of the terrorist attack are genuine, they are from the television picture and further from the thoughtful study of the media. At one time, it never occurred to me to turn to the Internet. Then I used my computer exclusively to play computer games. I didn't know about the search engine's capabilities. And were they even then? The computer, Windows-98, took several minutes to boot!
              Now everything can be learned quickly. For example, today I looked again at how worried Petr Ravnov was, commenting on what was happening, and found differences. Now Peter's voice is quite cheerful, loud, although his stammering was not removed by the editors, but then ... His voice was deaf, the text was pronounced slower, Peter almost cried - such was the shock of a man!
              1. Liam
                Liam 12 September 2021 11: 23
                0
                Difficult answer to a simple question)
                There is no professional live video of the first tower attack; there is only one random amateur video from a few seconds. there, one road repairman heard the hum of an airplane overhead and managed to capture the moment, and of course this was not on any live broadcast

                You will find this link in the first seconds.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 12 September 2021 11: 57
                  +5
                  Difficult answer to a simple question


                  Victor, you surprised me! )))
                  To say the least. I especially liked how the plane's muzzle is rapidly approaching the window, and the person in the interior, instead of instinctively making at least an attempt to jump aside, grabs a movie camera from somewhere, instantly turns it on and manages to capture this very plane's muzzle! And by some miracle, in a terrible subsequent fire, this movie camera (I admit, a mobile phone) - survives!
                  You, by any chance, did not present the frames from the film? The one that Nicolas Cage plays in? He's a rescue firefighter there. So, you have the right argument! Come on, defame me further! wassat )))
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 12 September 2021 12: 00
                    +1
                    I see ...
                    It seemed to me superfluous to indicate which shots are there - the chronicle, and which are computer reconstruction for the docfilm
                2. K9_SWAT
                  K9_SWAT 14 September 2021 17: 18
                  0
                  Well, you are a stupid person, or what? The time is 8:47 am. Weekday. New Yorkers rush to work. The tourists are still sleeping. Who would believe that at this time someone accidentally turned on the camera and started filming a video upstairs?
          2. Professor
            Professor 12 September 2021 11: 03
            -1
            Quote: depressant
            Oh really?

            Will it not be difficult for you to show these footage? Truth?

            In turn, I show what exactly was on the air:


            Quote: depressant
            Come on, Professor!

            I'm waiting for a live video of the attack on the first Tower.

            Quote: depressant
            This "amateur" was a professional who was put in the right place at the right time in advance. In order to create an image of the CIA's or someone else's involvement in the staged terrorist act among the layman all over the world.
            Like, no one expected such impudence from terrorists. Even the all-knowing American intelligence.

            I'm waiting for a live video of the attack on the first Tower.

            Quote: depressant
            And about the attack on the Pentagon, I generally keep quiet. Let other people talk about this circus. If they want to.

            And it is right that you are silent. You have completely revealed yourself here.
          3. ViacheslavS
            ViacheslavS 13 September 2021 14: 52
            +1
            Oh really? And a few minutes before the start of the terrorist attack, an amateur camera was broadcast live - I emphasize this! - on the air, not letting in the professional, aimed at the second Gemini?


            You can, in logic, I hope, let's assume that it was the CIA who organized the terrorist attack and since they have not yet confessed to this, it means that the CIA would like to keep its participation in secret. But now, according to your thoughts, some reporters were instructed to organize the filming of the Twin Towers in advance, reporters, and even with the operators, although they are not military, they still have bosses, working hours, that is, their departure had to be coordinated with the management. and most importantly why, why would such an organization of the media be needed in advance, so that the terrorist attack would cease to be so resonant / shocking, and even after the first plane hit, a huge number of reporters and the media would come running there anyway.

            Well, it is still sometimes useful to use Occam's razor.
      3. depressant
        depressant 12 September 2021 09: 31
        +6
        Second objection to the Professor.
        The basement safes of Gemini contained a very large consignment of gold bullion. When the collapsed Gemini were dismantled, the safes were completely intact - that's why they are basement safes.
        But they were empty! Not a single ingot! So the gold was taken out in advance? Although it was put on a very long storage.
        I remember the barrage of comments on this in the press, on radio and television.

        Third objection to the Professor.
        The Twins were, were insured for a huge amount! Literally a month before the terrorist attack. Apparently, there was an insider. And in the press after the terrorist attack on this occasion there was a huge cry - the journalists dug out the same, because American journalists know where to dig first, and in those days there were still some brave ones among them, but their throats were quickly silenced. Because the interests of big business as a joint customer of a terrorist attack cannot be hurt - one way or another, they are badly there, everything is intertwined. So who will show you the insurance, Professor? Are you so naive? Don't make fools of us.
        1. Professor
          Professor 12 September 2021 10: 57
          -7
          Quote: depressant
          The basement safes of Gemini contained a very large consignment of gold bullion. When the collapsed Gemini were dismantled, the safes were completely intact - that's why they are basement safes.

          Another conspiracy theory. Show pliz documents confirming this theory.

          Quote: depressant
          The Twins were, were insured for a huge amount! Literally a month before the terrorist attack.

          Insurance policy in the studio.
          1. depressant
            depressant 12 September 2021 11: 35
            +11
            Professor!...
            And you demand this policy from the former owners of the towers - is it weak? Why are you demanding it from me? Am I a tower owner, an insurance agent, a lawyer?
            It is enough that in that explosive atmosphere, threatening punishment for all who speak out against the state, who suspect it of meanness, American journalists have shown unparalleled courage in raising the question of insurance. And I still believe them. Now there are no such journalists there, the state punitive machine is in action. And from the media, of course, everything that can cast a shadow on the political system of the United States has long been withdrawn.
            And you don't need to demand from me to publish some frames, videos. Not because I don’t want to, but because I don’t know how to do it. And, probably, I am not the only one. Otherwise, all the forums would be completely packed with videos and photos.

            But what's interesting.
            Here I have an opinion. Personal. Based on the study of the issue in hot pursuit of the event. And I presented this opinion as best I could. You, Professor, have a different opinion, mind you, not supported by any personal impressions, any documentary evidence, except for the need to defend the "purity of thoughts" of the union state, namely the United States.
            Professor, it’s not me, but you were supposed to overwhelm me and even crush me with documents in support of your version of events. But pouring out a tub of ill will on me, you do not.
            Nothing to provide? )))
            1. Professor
              Professor 12 September 2021 12: 29
              -2
              Quote: depressant
              And you demand this policy from the former owners of the towers - is it weak? Why are you demanding it from me? Am I a tower owner, an insurance agent, a lawyer?

              I demand from you because you are pushing this garbage. And the owners of the buildings and Insurance companies such nonsense is not voiced.

              Quote: depressant
              And from the media, of course, everything that can cast a shadow on the political system of the United States has long been withdrawn.

              How????? fool

              Quote: depressant
              And you don't need to demand from me to publish some frames, videos. Not because I don’t want to, but because I don’t know how to do it. And, probably, I am not the only one. Otherwise, all the forums would be completely packed with videos and photos.

              Come on? Can't insert a link to a video clip? I laid it out for you, and feed us all with fairy tales.

              Quote: depressant
              But what's interesting.
              Here I have an opinion. Personal.

              Your opinion is not interesting to me. From the word "absolutely".

              Materiel. Watch and remember.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 12 September 2021 16: 23
                +13
                It is argued that the World Trade Center Towers had long become unprofitable by the time of the attack. There were projects for the demolition of buildings, but a certain businessman Larry Silverstein appeared in history. He was ready to buy the towers, but could not pay the full amount at once. For this reason, on July 23, 2001, a deal was made to lease buildings for 99 years and Larry paid about $ 30 million.
                Silverstein immediately insured the towers for $ 3,5 billion, and the case of a terrorist attack was also separately stipulated in the contract.

                On September 11, 2001, Larry Silverstein and his daughter were unharmed in these attacks. Larry liked to have breakfast every day in the WTC-1 building, and his daughter worked there, but they did not come that day.

                Subsequently, the jury recognized the attacks on the WTC towers on September 11, 2001, as two separate insurance claims. Thus, the amount of insurance payments to the tenant of the Twin Towers, Larry Silverstein, amounted to $ 4,65 billion in insurance, as well as $ 3,4 billion from the en: Liberty bond fund, that is, only $ 8,05 billion.

                How do you like this coincidence?

                https://newizv.ru/news/world/03-04-2019/versiya-bashni-bliznetsy-v-nyu-yorke-vzorvali-iz-za-strahovki-na-8-mlrd


                Do you have any questions about the picture?
                1. Professor
                  Professor 12 September 2021 16: 49
                  -9
                  Quote: Alex777
                  How do you like this coincidence?

                  There are inaccuracies. Silverstein won a tender for the lease and management of the center for $ 3.2 billion. And not for the entire center, but for several buildings. He insured the buildings for 3.55 billion as the new owner, but before that they were insured.
                  On the day of the attack, he was with his wife for a medical examination. His daughter is not mentioned at all.

                  The court awarded $ 4.55 billion in insurance payments because it was able to prove that the number 1 and number 2 attacks were two insured events, not one.

                  It is very difficult to simulate a terrorist attack to obtain insurance. "sugar bag drills" are more reliable. Moreover, the Arabs have already tried to blow up the center.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 12 September 2021 17: 24
                    +7
                    Watching a movie on TV right now. The witnesses did not see the plane flying to the Pentagon. And the CD was seen. bully
                    Shl. 20 years have passed. In memory only conclusions.
                    But the story of the collapse of the Middle East from Israel to Pakistan into various ... countries (Kurdistan, Pashtunistans, etc.) to establish full control over the region is well known and has been progressively implemented until this year. But she broke off.
                  2. ccsr
                    ccsr 12 September 2021 19: 57
                    +9
                    Quote: Alex777
                    Watching a movie on TV right now. The witnesses did not see the plane flying to the Pentagon. And the CD was seen.

                    There is a drawing of a Boeing aircraft engine, which clearly shows what size it is in relation to the height of a person. And there is a photo showing the site in front of the Pentagon, and where no remnants of the engines were recorded after the planes hit it. The engines must have evaporated ...


                  3. Alex777
                    Alex777 12 September 2021 23: 00
                    +7
                    Quote: ccsr
                    The engines must have evaporated ...

                    Look at the root!
                    It’s not like the engines, the entire liner has evaporated.
                    If he was at all, of course. bully
                  4. stels_07
                    stels_07 14 September 2021 19: 39
                    0
                    And Rumsfeld did not go to the bunker, but ran through the open area
              2. Alex777
                Alex777 12 September 2021 18: 08
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                It is very difficult to simulate a terrorist attack to obtain insurance.

                Insurance is a side effect.
                The main one is the devastation of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.
                Iran, with our help, has resisted. bully
                Egypt also miraculously survived ...
        2. nemez
          nemez 13 September 2021 14: 41
          +2
          It's useless to argue and prove to the adept of the city on the hill
      4. Vahmurka
        Vahmurka 13 September 2021 10: 59
        +1
        With all due respect to your nickname, do you have any proof that this was planned by Bin Laden? Maybe some documents written by his hand, negotiations using communication means, etc.?
        I'm interested in the opinions of all parties.
        1. Heel
          Heel 13 September 2021 14: 05
          +2
          bin laden, he himself confirmed it, though from the beginning he denied, but after the discovery and publication of his conversation with like-minded people, he stopped denying and proudly declared that he knew not only (as he said earlier) but also led the operation with Atta
          1. Uran53
            Uran53 14 September 2021 02: 38
            +1
            Bin Laden was tightly controlled by the CIA for many years, so he is not an independent person. "if you want to know who started the war, look for who benefits" - an English proverb.
    3. ViacheslavS
      ViacheslavS 12 September 2021 16: 57
      +2
      The basement safes of Gemini contained a very large consignment of gold bullion.

      Why was the gold bullion taken to the basement safes of the Twin Towers? Well, I will assume that gold in large volumes, transported with a huge bureaucracy, with acts of delivery / acceptance, and if there was an arbitrarily serious volume, then this information simply could not be concealed, but about gold, except for speculation, as well as with insurance no real documents.

      The Twins were, were insured for a huge amount!

      Can you imagine how the insurance business works? This is a strictly regulated, accountable business, if such an agreement was concluded, then it would not be difficult to find information about it, then if payments were made, especially large ones, then information about them would be at least in several regulatory bodies.
      1. Heel
        Heel 13 September 2021 14: 12
        +1
        moreover, the insurance company will insure the lease only for its real value, for which it will send there an army of appraisers and auditors, and when insuring for significant amounts, the company reinsures itself from other companies to share the risks, so a theory like a dike I will insure this shed for 100500 billion a then I will burn it, in modern insurance it is not possible
  • alch3mist
    alch3mist 12 September 2021 15: 16
    -8
    depressant Today, 09:04
    First objection to the Professor

    Is it worth writing with a capital letter the one who chose the name of the stepmother who dismembered the young mistress as a pseudonym, and a monkey portrait on the avatar? A lot of honor for a petty dirty trick.
  • dzvero
    dzvero 12 September 2021 09: 12
    +18
    Data?
    And the fall of the third tower? Nobody got into it, but it quietly "developed" like that, for the company, probably ...
    1. alch3mist
      alch3mist 12 September 2021 15: 23
      +2
      And the fall of the third tower? Nobody got into it, but it quietly "developed" like that, for the company, probably ...

      In which ALL the investigative materials on the robbery and devastation of American Gazprom ("Enron") turned out to be so successful. Ends into the water for tens of billions.
  • Alex777
    Alex777 12 September 2021 13: 19
    +14
    Quote: Professor
    Facts? So it won't be difficult for you to show us the insurance policy

    1. Do you seriously believe in the Saudis who turned this all over?
    2. Can you explain why these Saudis arrived at 8:30 when there were 3000 people in the building, and not an hour later when all 40000 would have gathered?
    3. Do you have an explanation why the houses were stacked vertically?
    4. Can you explain why the third building was formed vertically next to which no one got into?
    Have you ever been there in Manhattan?
    My daughter was then studying at an architectural college a kilometer from Gemini (School of Visual Arts New York City; SVA NYC).
    After the first hit, they ran out into the street and saw everything with their own eyes.
    The teachers assured that the buildings would stand. We were very surprised later.
    As for the facts, then you are probably the only one who did not watch Oliver Stone's film. All the facts have long been cited there. And there are pictures of bearing beams with stripped thermal insulation cut at an angle. And a lot more interesting things.
    From small facts - I myself saw Jackie Chan say that he was supposed to be filming on the roof that day, but the WTC administration postponed the filming for him. Good luck huh?
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 12 September 2021 13: 30
      -6
      I don’t know what knowledge you got ...
      What you brought is all circumstantial evidence. That is, the results can be caused by a dozen reasons.
      As well as the circumstances that happened after the event.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 12 September 2021 13: 48
        +12
        I lived there for almost 10 years.
        Little is left of that America now.
        And on the third day, the deputy chairman of the KGB of Kazakhstan said that the States had blown up themselves.
        I didn't believe it then. Now I have no doubt.
        Powell's test tube - also indirect? wink
        Who benefits from what happened in the end? What kind of terrorists?
        Why was bin Laden buried at sea? To take your word for it?
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 12 September 2021 13: 51
          -3
          Where did that ... In the east, in the west?
          Ps. I got a part of my education there.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 12 September 2021 13: 54
            +1
            Stamford CT.
            And my daughter rented an apartment at 11 St.
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 12 September 2021 13: 57
              0
              Connecticut ... I'm not in Chicago, a dark city.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 12 September 2021 16: 19
                +2
                Quote: Shahno
                Connecticut...

                Yes. 40 min to NY.
                I go to work in Moscow longer. bully
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 12 September 2021 16: 31
                  +2
                  So now I drive from Rehovot to Menachem Begin for an hour. Although there is 40 km ..
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 12 September 2021 16: 50
                    +5
                    An acquaintance of mine worked at the WTC. For the first time in my life I was late for work.
                    When I got out of the subway (on the train I went through Grand Central), the policeman sootted at the top of the stairs. He pushed her and she rolled head over heels back down into the subway. And the policeman was overwhelmed. In front of her eyes.
                    On the last train I left for Brooklyn and until I drank a bottle of cognac from my parents, I could not speak. She even forgot to call her husband that she survived.
    2. Professor
      Professor 12 September 2021 13: 59
      .
      Quote: Alex777
      1. Do you seriously believe in the Saudis who turned this all over?

      Are the Arabs completely stupid in your opinion? In my opinion, no. I have Arabs doctors and they are no worse than Jews.

      Quote: Alex777
      2. Can you explain why these Saudis arrived at 8:30 when there were 3000 people in the building, and not an hour later when all 40000 would have gathered?

      And where do you think they had to fly for an hour? By the way, there were many more than 3000 people in the buildings.

      Quote: Alex777
      3. Do you have an explanation why the houses were stacked vertically?

      I am not a civil engineer, but this fact does not raise any questions for me. These buildings were constructed from metal structures and clad in glass and aluminum. It is not a monolithic construction.

      Quote: Alex777
      4. Can you explain why the third building was formed vertically next to which no one got into?

      One of two skyscrapers fell on him.

      Quote: Alex777
      Have you ever been there in Manhattan?

      Repeatedly. And you?

      Quote: Alex777
      My daughter was then studying at an architectural college a kilometer from Gemini (School of Visual Arts New York City; SVA NYC).
      After the first hit, they ran out into the street and saw everything with their own eyes.
      The teachers assured that the buildings would stand. We were very surprised later.

      Did the teachers calculate the strength of the buildings to be hit by an airplane?

      Quote: Alex777
      As for the facts, then you are probably the only one who did not watch Oliver Stone's film. All the facts have long been cited there. And there are pictures of bearing beams with stripped thermal insulation cut at an angle. And a lot more interesting things.

      Is there footage of the shelling of Russian Apaches?

      Quote: Alex777
      From small facts - I myself saw Jackie Chan say that he was supposed to be filming on the roof that day, but the WTC administration postponed the filming for him. Good luck huh?

      The administration is complicit in the crime, but ... a big Jackie Chan fan. Isn't it funny yourself? laughing
      1. alch3mist
        alch3mist 12 September 2021 15: 52
        +6
        Quote: Alex777
        3. Do you have an explanation why the houses were stacked vertically?
        Professor (Oleg Sokolov) Today, 13: 59
        I am not a civil engineer, but this fact does not raise any questions for me. These buildings were constructed from metal structures and clad in glass and aluminum. It is not a monolithic construction.

        I just "forgot" to mention that the "metal structures" were also tightly wrapped in tons of asbestos, which made the buildings fireproof fortresses, so that even the collapse of a part of the building OVER the fire was extremely problematic.
        Actually, because of harmful asbestos, there was a need for demolition and new construction of buildings. Oops! How fortunate it was! Plus insurance !!!
        The Voronya Slobodka case lives on and wins.
        1. Professor
          Professor 12 September 2021 16: 13
          -8
          Quote: alch3mist
          I just "forgot" to mention that the "metal structures" were also tightly wrapped in tons of asbestos, which made the buildings fireproof fortresses, so that even the collapse of a part of the building OVER the fire was extremely problematic.

          Unless, of course, HE arrange a burner for them from tens of tons of aviation kerosene. Isn't this a standard procedure for testing steel structures? wink

          Quote: alch3mist
          Actually, because of harmful asbestos, there was a need for demolition and new construction of buildings. Oops! How fortunate it was! Plus insurance !!!

          The insurance company gladly parted with the money and did not try to bring your theory to court? Haven't you thought of it?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 12 September 2021 17: 12
            +5
            Quote: Professor

            Unless, of course, HE arrange a burner for them from tens of tons of aviation kerosene. Isn't this a standard procedure for testing steel structures?

            You are so smart it is something. bully

            I am not a civil engineer

            That's better.

            Did the teachers calculate the strength of the buildings to be hit by an airplane?

            You might be surprised, but the answer is YES.

            On July 28, 1945, a B-25 bomber crashed in New York. Fighting vehicle pilot William Franklin Smith lost his bearings while trying to land at the airport. A U.S. Air Force plane crashed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building in thick fog, punching a giant hole in the facade.
            Fuel leaked from the tanks, resulting in a fire engulfing several floors. One of the engines fell through the southern part of the building and crashed onto the penthouse below, while the other entered the elevator shaft, severing the cables. As a result, the cabin fell down. 10 people became victims of the fire. Also killed three on board the bomber.

            one of the chief engineers of the World Trade Center, recalled that a scenario was considered of a Boeing 707 jet airliner hitting a building, lost orientation in the fog and flying at a relatively low speed in search of John F Kennedy Airport or Newark Liberty Airport [8] [11] [12] ... John Skilling, another WTC engineer, said in 1993 that his subordinates were conducting an analysis that showed that the biggest problem in the event of a Boeing 707 colliding with one of the WTC towers would be a large mass of fuel entering the building, which would lead to a “terrible fire "And many human victims, but the building itself will remain standing

            NIST found a three-page report in the archives summarizing research that simulated a Boeing 707 or Douglas DC-8 hitting a building at 950 km / h. The study showed that the building should not collapse as a result of such a hit

            This is all common knowledge. And the teachers knew it too.
            Each load-bearing beam was covered with a 10 cm refractory sheath.
            So in places of destruction, this coating was brushed to metal.
            Take a look: https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/425013/
            And the last thing. 89% of Americans do not believe in the official version of the attack.
            PS
            One of two skyscrapers fell on him.

            Can you provide confirmation? bully

            Have you ever been there in Manhattan?

            Repeatedly. And you?

            I lived there. Above I told where and how.
            1. Professor
              Professor 12 September 2021 19: 51
              -9
              Yes, I'm smart, but the teachers are not very good. I am not surprised by the collapse of a skyscraper from being hit by a liner, but they are surprised. Fire them to hell for unprofessionalism. Dismiss those "specialists" who allegedly simulated getting the 707th into a skyscraper in which the skyscraper stood. Field tests have shown that in 2 hits out of 2, the skyscraper is formed.

              What temperature does metal reach in a fire involving tens of tons of aviation kerosene? What is the ultimate strength of steel at this temperature? Well, it's publicly available, CEP.
              It is generally accepted that asbestos coating is not ballistic resistant and is blown away by an explosive wave like any thermal insulation.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 12 September 2021 22: 52
                +4
                Quote: Professor
                It is generally accepted that asbestos coating is not ballistic resistant

                There was no asbestos there. It has long been banned in the States.
                But it doesn't matter to you. You are not a builder. wink
                I, alas, beguiled Chiesa and Stone. In the film Chiesa and the refractory coating is shown (special foam), and much more is told and shown.
                Watch the movie - stop writing about this topic. yes
                9/11: An Investigation from Scratch (2007)
                1. Professor
                  Professor 13 September 2021 06: 42
                  .
                  I really am not a builder, but I know that asbestos has not been banned in the USA. You seem to have lived there and you know that?
                  https://www.asbestos.com/mesothelioma-lawyer/legislation/ban/

                  And I like to watch science fiction in a different format. hi
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 13 September 2021 13: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    I really am not a builder, but I know that asbestos has not been banned in the USA.

                    Oh everyone. laughing Get some rest. I'm not interested further.
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 13 September 2021 14: 03
                    -1
                    Quote: Alex777
                    Oh everyone. Get some rest. I'm not interested further.

                    I am not writing for you, but for reading site visitors.
                    Attempts to ban asbestos in the US have failed:
                    https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2018/asbestos-still-legal-usa/
                  3. Alex777
                    Alex777 13 September 2021 14: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    Attempts to ban asbestos in the US have failed:

                    You are a great theorist. Reader. bully
                    And my acquaintance architects in the States do not use asbestos for more than 40 years from the word at all. For they do not want claims from customers with proven harm of asbestos. And the abolition of prohibitions by the courts does not affect the practice of abandoning asbestos.
                    Practice is the criterion of truth. laughing
                    PS Not written for you. For site readers.
                  4. Professor
                    Professor 13 September 2021 14: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Alex777
                    There was no asbestos there. It has long been banned in the States.

                    And yet asbestos not prohibited, but only there are some restrictions in its application. As a "great theorist" I can throw off an endless list of where asbestos is still used in the United States (your banned). hi
                  5. Alex777
                    Alex777 13 September 2021 17: 28
                    0
                    The minus is not mine. hi
      2. Ghent
        Ghent 13 September 2021 18: 45
        +1
        And that all tens of tons of kerosene burned in one place? And during the explosion, most of it did not burn? Not leaked below? Burned only where needed? Then where is the same fire in the Pentagon?
      3. Uran53
        Uran53 14 September 2021 02: 51
        0
        Strong combustion of aviation kerosene (like any organic matter) is possible only with good oxygen availability. And the frames show black smoke (just a lack of oxygen). People jumped out of the collision of the plane with the wall of a skyscraper, and this is a sign that the temperature inside the building was not high
    3. your1970
      your1970 13 September 2021 20: 27
      +2
      Quote: Alex777
      And the last thing. 89% of Americans do not believe in the official version of the attack.
      - a strong argument ... we believed in Kashpirovsky and Chumak - based on this position of yours, they really treated crap on TV ???
  • your1970
    your1970 13 September 2021 10: 52
    +3
    Quote: Alex777
    From small facts - I myself saw Jackie Chan say that he was supposed to be filming on the roof that day, but the WTC administration postponed the filming for him. Good luck huh?

    No, NOT good ...
    "What two know, the pig knows" (C)

    I can believe in sabotage - but I will never believe that I know half of the city + Arabs and it never got out.
    Do you understand that 4,5 billion insurance was paid for the building alone.? And there are still a lot of people and offices - which were also insured?
    Yes, insurance companies for such a piece - the dough they called out of their mouths - would turn everyone who might know something inside out and stuff them into stuffed animals ... Including Jackie Chan repeat
    In the United States, insurance scams are serious - so insurance companies know the truth for sure. If there was a muddle, they would give the loot ...
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 13 September 2021 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: your1970
      In the United States, insurance scams are serious - so insurance companies know the truth for sure. If there was a muddle, they would give the loot ...

      You do not take into account the level at which the issues were resolved.
      And at that level to compensate so that everyone is silent - zero problems. hi
      1. your1970
        your1970 13 September 2021 20: 24
        +1
        Quote: Alex777
        And at that level to compensate so that everyone is silent - zero problems.
        -5 lard only to the building insurer? And at least 2 lard insurance for office owners? And at least 1 lard of personal insurance? Yes, they will hang themselves for a dollar ... and then not millions, billions are down the drain ...
        and they know too many people - this comes up
    2. Heel
      Heel 13 September 2021 14: 22
      0
      absolutely right
  • ammunition
    ammunition 12 September 2021 14: 32
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    Data?

    Come on already!
  • Saladine
    Saladine 13 September 2021 09: 22
    -1
    At the end of June 2001, Larry Silverstein leased for 99 years (actually acquired) the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center for $ 3,2 billion from the transport service of New York, but in the end paid about $ 30 million. September 11, 2001 Larry Silverstein and his daughter miraculously survived the terrorist attacks, Larry liked to have breakfast every day in the WTC-1 building, and his daughter worked there, but they did not come that day, as planned. According to Larry Silverstein, it was his daughter who saved his life on 11/1 by insisting that he go to his scheduled doctor's appointment. [XNUMX]

    Subsequently, the jury recognized the attacks on the WTC towers on September 11, 2001, as two separate insurance claims. Thus, the amount of insurance payments to the tenant of the Twin Towers, Larry Silverstein, amounted to $ 4,65 billion in insurance, as well as $ 3,4 billion from the en: Liberty bond fund, that is, only $ 8,05 billion.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Сильверстайн,_Ларри
  • nickname7
    nickname7 17 September 2021 14: 11
    0
    I remind you that in the Western world to criticize the officers. version is prohibited. The professor, apparently, is part of a certain community and is afraid of ruining his career, he does it right, it will still be impossible to prove anything, why ruin his life.
    We can criticize. On 9/11 there were quite a few inconsistencies and blunders, since the action is complex and a lot of people were involved.
    The United States is too and unattainably strong for the backward country of camels to do something to them. They have multi-layered security for dozens of services. In its normal state, with the use of security protocols, even China will not be able to send the plane, since they will shoot down and the action will end before it starts, but holes were deliberately created in security, through which the US elite carried out the action.
    Every 9/11 leg is impossible. According to safety rules, an airplane cannot deviate from its course with impunity, otherwise it will be knocked down, a skyscraper frame on steel beams, specially designed against an airplane hit, cannot crumble, a stewardess did not say to call on a hundred square meters in those years, the cell did not keep in touch with the plane, the third house fell, BBC reportage about the fallen tower, during the reportage the tower was still standing, etc.
    In general, the states have benefited from this. By the way, for each of the 3 K lives of citizens, a lemon of bucks was paid.
    If without hypocrisy, then the elite bought out lives to sacrifice geopolitical power
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 12 September 2021 12: 33
    -7
    Quote: Al_lexx
    There is nothing special to add. It's like that.
    Unless, there are facts that the TsVT towers, several months before the destruction, were insured for an astronomical amount, and at the time of the attack there was not a single person from the top management in them.

    It's amazing that there are still people who believe in the theory of tower explosions by ... the Americans themselves. belay

    THIS is impossible to hide for any special services, for any people.

    There was a terrorist attack and this was established by thousands of sheets of examinations, testimonies, studies, etc.
    1. Professor
      Professor 12 September 2021 14: 01
      -9
      Quote: Olgovich
      Quote: Al_lexx
      There is nothing special to add. It's like that.
      Unless, there are facts that the TsVT towers, several months before the destruction, were insured for an astronomical amount, and at the time of the attack there was not a single person from the top management in them.

      It's amazing that there are still people who believe in the theory of tower explosions by ... the Americans themselves. belay

      THIS is impossible to hide for any special services, for any people.

      There was a terrorist attack and this was established by thousands of sheets of examinations, testimonies, studies, etc.

      You cannot explain anything to anyone. For example, why such troubles with airplanes if you could just lay 30 tons of "sugar in training bags" or organize "household gas cotton"?
    2. alch3mist
      alch3mist 12 September 2021 16: 01
      +3
      It's amazing that there are still people who believe in the theory of tower explosions by ... the Americans themselves. belay
      THIS is impossible to hide for any special services, for any people.
      There was a terrorist attack and this was established by thousands of sheets of examinations, testimonies, studies, etc.

      And there were dozens of strange and early deaths ... And examinations with "drunk boys" ...
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 12 September 2021 17: 46
      +8
      Quote: Olgovich
      THIS is impossible to hide for any special services, for any people.

      Tell me who killed Kennedy. laughing
      The secret services managed to push their version, and then finish everyone so that they could end up in the water. bully
      Who Killed Merlin Monroe? Everyone already knows that. Only many years have passed.
      The direct participant told before his death: how many there were, how they entered, who held for what, who gave an injection in the anus.
      And nothing turned upside down in the beacon of democracy. hi
      PS Or do you think that Princess Diana really went with a "drunk boy" in the car?
      She was going to marry Dodi Al Fayed and was going to leave with him and his sons-heirs to the States.
      The crown could not allow this. Everything... bully
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 13 September 2021 10: 13
        -5
        Quote: Alex777
        Tell me who killed Kennedy

        do not compare horseradish (root vegetable, yes) with a finger - these are two different things.

        Kennedy, theoretically, and a loner could fill up, September 11 was carried out by hundreds of people
        1. Vahmurka
          Vahmurka 13 September 2021 11: 10
          0
          The approximate staff of the CIA is from 25 to 30 thousand people, plus about 100 thousand NSA. They are all under subscription. Do you think you can't dial a couple of hundred of the most reliable ones?
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 13 September 2021 12: 05
            +1
            Quote: Vahmurka
            Do you think you can't dial a couple of hundred of the most reliable ones?

            If we take as a basis the version that the attack on the twins was carried out by airplanes controlled by an on-board computer and radio beacons were installed on the towers, then 3-5 people are enough for such work, in addition to those who are privy to the plan of the entire operation, i.e. 10-20 people. As for undermining the building's pillars, then, of course, several dozen people will be required, and no more. So, with a good organization, the total number of those initiated into the whole idea and planning this act could be a couple of dozen people, plus technical performers, of whom there were several dozen people. So a couple of hundred of all will not be typed, hundreds of people will be enough. But many experts could have guessed by indirect signs, although knowing the length of time for which they could go to a psychiatric hospital or prison, there were no heroes among them.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 13 September 2021 13: 45
              0
              Do not add, do not diminish. yes
    4. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 September 2021 02: 09
      0
      Everyone looks at the whole situation in a childish way. Of course, they themselves did not do anything. Specialists just need to create a situation where this will become possible. Encourage certain people through third parties. Do not interfere with the development of a plan. Improve it through your agents. Close our eyes to various things. Just keep everything under control and sometimes intervene for support. I repeat, just create a situation, and everything becomes possible at once. It is more important to look for motives here. And it is the motives to prove. Any serious special service can do this without any difficulties. Therefore, in my life I will not believe in poisoning by newcomers and other nonsense by the special services. It is much easier to simply find through the crime of the same London through a few gaskets of gopniks who will break their heads in a drunken brawl. Delicate work and distinguishes the ruling from real deeds. Nobody will see them.
    5. Uran53
      Uran53 14 September 2021 02: 54
      0
      Is it okay that some of the suicide bombers were alive and well after the terrorist attack? How do you explain this?
  • ViacheslavS
    ViacheslavS 12 September 2021 16: 42
    +1
    Well, if you use the word fact, then there are no such facts, I haven’t looked for much, there is no agreement in the public domain that would have been concluded in a couple of months for an astronomical amount, no names of insurance companies, no information about payments, that is, here it would be more appropriate to say that there are rumors that have not been confirmed by any facts.
    But we can assume where these rumors come from, since there were many different companies in the complexes, it is likely that either of them could conclude / renew an agreement on property insurance in the event of a fire or destruction of a building a couple of months before the terrorist attack.
  • SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 12 September 2021 04: 46
    +3
    the terrorist attack was organized by the American authorities themselves.
    I agree. Further it was possible not to write anything. The quintessence of the article.
    1. Kisa
      Kisa 12 September 2021 07: 02
      +4
      let me guess .... Samsonov ?! ....
      released now on Discovery - Calls from the Towers ... it is advisable to watch in English ... a lump in the throat of tears in his eyes ... whoever is there on the 70th floor and above stuck the last minutes of their lives called their relatives ... guys do not wait for the last minute tell your loved ones that you love them
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 12 September 2021 05: 30
    0
    September 11, 1973 America rubbed its hands with pleasure. And the other September was just sad. We will never know the truth about this tragic incident. Some guesses. I also have my own vision. Washington received information from the official Moscow warning about the impending terrorist attack. But they did not know about the size of it. They needed this act as a pretext to enter Afghanistan. The USA wanted to show the whole world what they were exactly can put things in order in this country. Then we know what happened.
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 12 September 2021 05: 55
      +5
      It's like gathering the entire Pacific Fleet in Hawaii, with the exception of aircraft carriers, and persistently taunting the Japanese into attacking. Since the Senate and the public did not want to fight at all, while America needed war urgently (in order to fire up the economy and have time to divide the world). I would never believe in stories that then the operators of their radar station confused the raid of the Japanese with a flock of birds. Well, to hell with her, with the loss of several battleships and several thousand people. In the war, they lost even more. But to this day they have occupied Japan and Europe.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 12 September 2021 23: 53
        +6
        Pearl Harbor and Gemini.
        The scale of casualties is roughly comparable.
        In both cases, the United States eventually got involved in the war.
        The victims among their citizens in both cases were deliberately planned.
    2. your1970
      your1970 13 September 2021 11: 06
      0
      Quote: nikvic46
      They needed this act as a pretext to enter Afghanistan

      Are you serious about the pretext? Before and after them, the pretext was on a drum - but it was for Afghanistan that a nosebleed was needed? !!!
      Oh well...
  • Professor
    Professor 12 September 2021 06: 09
    .
    The United States and the West, experiencing the crisis of capitalism, a predatory system based on loan interest, found an opportunity to throw the accumulated contradictions and problems onto the countries of the Near and Middle East.

    I did not read further. It is immediately clear who the author is unproven to blame for the tragedy. This is from the sect "the Americans were not on the moon."
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 12 September 2021 06: 30
      +1

      Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
      Today, 06: 09
      NEW
      -1
      The United States and the West, experiencing the crisis of capitalism, a predatory system based on loan interest, found an opportunity to throw the accumulated contradictions and problems onto the countries of the Near and Middle East.

      I did not read further. It is immediately clear who the author is unproven to blame for the tragedy. This is from the sect "the Americans were not on the moon."
      How unambiguously it is clear who you will protect. laughing
    2. anjey
      anjey 12 September 2021 06: 38
      +17
      The country with the strongest intelligence services in the world (this is not about Israel laughing ), with powerful air defense and aviation, could not prevent at her side, a rather difficult technically for terrorists, a terrorist attack is a big nonsense. If you believe in this, then it does not correspond to your nickname-callsign at all, my personal opinion laughing
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 September 2021 06: 50
        .
        Quote: anjey
        A country with the strongest intelligence services in the World (this is not about Israel), with powerful air defense and aviation, could not prevent a terrorist attack, which is quite complicated technically for terrorists, is a big nonsense.

        Have you been to this country at least once? Did you fly on their planes before these attacks? And I was and flew. They entered the plane like on a bus with practically no checks and a curtain separated the cockpit from the passenger compartment. It didn't take much effort to hijack the plane. This is not Israel.

        Air defense and aviation were focused on an external enemy, and not on shooting down their own passenger airliners, and the Americans (by the way, the Russians) were not ready for such a scenario. Relaxed.

        Technically, this attack is simply elementary. They cut the pilot and flew to two huge targets visible for tens of kilometers. What is the difficulty? request

        Quote: anjey
        If you believe in this, then you do not correspond to your nickname-callsign at all, my personal opinion

        I only believe in facts, HE believes in conspiracy theories.
        1. anjey
          anjey 12 September 2021 07: 13
          +4
          The country leading the database and special operations around the world should be ready for such terrorist attacks, both practically and theoretically, as well as various professional courses, for the same pilots, had to be under the hood of special services, a priori. As you remember, one plane, allegedly , hit the Pentagon building, is that the idiotic laxity of the US Department of Defense? I am sure that air defense protects such objects in the first place, like the White House, this is not some kind of shopping center laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 September 2021 07: 37
            .
            Quote: anjey
            The country leading the database and special operations around the world should be ready for such terrorist attacks, both practically and theoretically, as well as various professional courses, for the same pilots, should have been under the hood of special services, a priori.

            Yes? It turns out that the country leading the database and special operations around the world must check every basement for the presence of hexogen, in every school on September 1 and on any other day it must place a spetsnaz company, at every performance in the theater a spetsnaz platoon. Did I understand you correctly?

            Quote: anjey
            As you remember, one plane allegedly hit the Pentagon building, is that the idiotic laxity of the US Department of Defense?

            Allegedly? I understand you, no one at all hit the Pentagon and the Twin Towers did not exist in nature. All this is Golovud.

            Quote: anjey
            I am sure that air defense protects such objects in the first place, like the White House, this is not some kind of shopping center

            Why is there such confidence that the air defense should have shot down any plane flying near the Pentagon? Let's get the facts.
            1. anjey
              anjey 12 September 2021 07: 48
              +5
              Why any plane at once? Captured by terrorists, giving a signal about it and changing the course, and you immediately "any plane" ???? Well, you know that comparing some kind of school or church in Oklahoma and the World Trade Center of New York, this is firstly not correct, and secondly, large US megacities are already strategic targets for Chinese, Russian or any other ballistic or CD with nuclear warheads Based on this, where is the American air defense ???
              1. Professor
                Professor 12 September 2021 08: 07
                .
                Quote: anjey
                Why any plane at once? Captured by terrorists, giving a signal about it and changing the course, and you immediately "any plane" ???? H

                HM. Has the plane sent a distress signal? What a news. Also the news that it is necessary to shoot down all the planes that changed their course. Now I'll know.

                Quote: anjey
                Well, you know that comparing some kind of school or church in Oklahoma and the World Trade Center of New York, this is firstly not correct, and secondly, large US megacities are already strategic targets for Chinese, Russian or any other ballistic or CD with nuclear warheads

                So what about the school in Budenovka, the Theater in Moscow and the house in Volgodonsk? Where are the spetsnaz companies? You haven't answered yet.

                Quote: anjey
                Based on this, where is the American air defense ???

                Air defense in place. Not a single aircraft broke into the United States.

                Quote: anjey
                I have not been to the USA

                and you undertake to talk about security measures on their transport.
                1. anjey
                  anjey 12 September 2021 08: 18
                  0
                  Why not speculate about the shortcomings in THEIR country, which "They" position itself as the most, most, most in all respects, but in fact it is "Pshik" in all its manifestations - Big American Lies or Big American Incompetence, which is better ??? laughing
                  1. Mimoxod
                    Mimoxod 12 September 2021 13: 16
                    0
                    This also applies to Afghanistan and its 20-year occupation ...
                2. sidoroff
                  sidoroff 12 September 2021 10: 42
                  0
                  no need to talk about spetsnaz companies. in August 2004, a couple of aircraft were blown up in the air in the Russian Federation. with the complete prostration of cops at the airport and the assistance of speculators who sold tickets without passports. Or will we look for the nearest special service using the Samsonov system?
        2. anjey
          anjey 12 September 2021 07: 25
          0
          It so happens that "inconvenient" facts emerge after a certain time, and 9/11 is clear - that the matter is dark laughingWe are waiting for the facts, although much in independent investigations leads to a conclusion not in favor of the United States ...
        3. anjey
          anjey 12 September 2021 07: 39
          +1
          I have not been to the United States, but the Tu 154, which was already closed after passengers landed, drove up on the highway without any checks, at the last moment there was a free seat, but it was the dashing 90s, at the airport in Lvov laughing
        4. Vlad69
          Vlad69 12 September 2021 08: 48
          +4
          And the fact that amateurs were able to get into the Pentagon at low level on the B757 is, of course, undeniable for you. The motivation, they say, was great.
          1. Heel
            Heel 13 September 2021 15: 48
            0
            they were not dilatants, they had private pilot licenses, and they trained on Boeing simulators, and in the Pentagon, they hit badly, hitting the ground right in front of him, they would have missed a little more,
            1. Ghent
              Ghent 13 September 2021 18: 52
              0
              At least try to practice, but such a maneuver as before, supposedly, hitting the Pentagon, you need to be able to do, especially without knowing the terrain
            2. nemez
              nemez 14 September 2021 06: 26
              -1
              As the professor says, where are the facts? There is no plane, at least look from where.
        5. Ghent
          Ghent 13 September 2021 18: 48
          0
          Difficulty in controlling an airplane, especially such
      2. ViacheslavS
        ViacheslavS 12 September 2021 16: 46
        -1
        powerful air defense and aviation, could not prevent at her side,


        Well, this is not at all an indicator in this case, or anything that the air defense should have done, they do not accompany every passenger plane.
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 12 September 2021 06: 56
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      It is immediately clear who the author is unproven to blame for the tragedy.

      After 11/XNUMX, all commercial and private flights were canceled ...
      But ... the country's leadership allocated planes to take the Bin Laden family and other representatives of Saudi Arabia out of the United States ... On September 13, at least 6 private and two dozen commercial planes were taken out of the country by Saudis ... A total of 140 Arabs including 24 members of Bin Laden's family were allowed to leave the country ...
      https://blogs.pravda.com.ua/authors/petrenko/48c934c67f15b/
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 September 2021 07: 15
        -4
        Quote: Dart2027
        But ... the country's leadership allocated planes to take the Bin Laden family and other representatives of Saudi Arabia out of the United States ... On September 13, at least 6 private and two dozen commercial planes were taken out of the country by Saudis ... A total of 140 Arabs including 24 members of Bin Laden's family were allowed to leave the country ...

        Very interesting, but ... where is the dock? At least with Flying Radar24 ... Well, at least something?

        PS
        If the Americans prepared the attacks so well, why weren't the Saudis evacuated in advance? wink
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 12 September 2021 08: 39
          -3
          Quote: Professor
          Very interesting, but ... where is the dock?
          Didn't you notice the links in the article to the primary sources?
          What proof do you have? Carefully left passports? If the Taliban prepared the attacks so well, why did they leave such a simple trail?
          Quote: Professor
          why weren't the Saudis evacuated in advance?

          What would have changed? The fact of the evacuation would still remain.
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 September 2021 08: 50
            -6
            Quote: Dart2027
            Didn't you notice the links in the article to the primary sources?

            I noticed. This is reasoning. Where is the dock?

            Quote: Dart2027
            What proof do you have? Carefully left passports? If the Taliban prepared the attacks so well, why did they leave such a simple trail?

            The Americans had enough evidence for a court conviction, including a passport. By the way, the Taliban are not in the business.

            Quote: Dart2027
            What would have changed? The fact of the evacuation would still remain.

            1. There is no fact.
            2. There would be no material evidence, and so there are witnesses and perpetrators and material evidence.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 12 September 2021 11: 06
              -1
              Quote: Professor
              Americans had enough evidence for a court conviction
              And what was this evidence? Where are they?
              Quote: Professor
              By the way, the Taliban are not in business
              And that's why you climbed to fight them?
              Quote: Professor
              This is reasoning. Where is the dock?
              Are references to the testimony of participants in the events (professional firefighters) reasoning? This is called testimony.
              1. Professor
                Professor 12 September 2021 12: 21
                .
                Quote: Dart2027
                And what was this evidence? Where are they?

                In the materials of the investigation.

                Quote: Dart2027
                And that's why you climbed to fight them?

                Nobody touched them until they were the first to start. The Americans fought against al-Qaeda.

                Quote: Dart2027
                Are references to the testimony of participants in the events (professional firefighters) reasoning? This is called testimony.

                Yes, this is the reasoning of firefighters expressing their personal opinions.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 12 September 2021 17: 13
                  -2
                  Quote: Professor
                  In the materials of the investigation.

                  So they are so secret that they cannot be shown?
                  Quote: Professor
                  The Americans fought against al-Qaeda.

                  Yes, confused for the remoteness of the years. Not the Taliban, but the alqaidists, which does not change the fact, well, a very clear trace.
                  Quote: Professor
                  Yes, this is the reasoning of firefighters expressing their personal opinions.
                  That is, the opinions of professionals and eyewitnesses. Q.E.D.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 12 September 2021 19: 55
                    -3
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    So they are so secret that they cannot be shown?

                    Have you been denied by the American Justice Department?

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Yes, confused for the remoteness of the years. Not the Taliban, but the alqaidists, which does not change the fact, well, a very clear trace.

                    It happens.

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, the opinions of professionals and eyewitnesses. Q.E.D.

                    Did the "professionals" have access to all documents or did they only express their point of view? Precisely the "point"?
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 12 September 2021 20: 40
                      -2
                      Quote: Professor
                      You were refused
                      So they are only now going to declassify, and it is not clear whether they will declassify or not, and what exactly.
                      Quote: Professor
                      "professionals" had access
                      to the crumbling objects themselves and were direct participants in the events, that is, they witnessed and gave testimony.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 13 September 2021 06: 45
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        So they are only now going to declassify, and it is not clear whether they will declassify or not, and what exactly.

                        Court file or FBI archives?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        to the crumbling objects themselves and were direct participants in the events, that is, they witnessed and gave testimony.

                        Again. Did you tell your subjective opinion being at a certain point at the time of the tragedy, or did you give an objective comprehensive analysis?
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 13 September 2021 10: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Court file or FBI archives?

                        That is, there were incomplete materials in the court and the judges themselves did not know everything? Well, the court ...
                        Quote: Professor

                        Again. Did you tell your subjective opinion being at a certain point at the time of the tragedy, or did you give an objective comprehensive analysis?

                        Once again, these were witnesses who gave testimony. And if the "analysis" does not take them into account, then this is a fake analysis.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 13 September 2021 10: 48
                        -3
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, there were incomplete materials in the court and the judges themselves did not know everything? Well, the court ...

                        Of course. The prosecutor's office and the defense provide the court with only what they deem necessary. The first for the accusation, the second for the acquittal.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Once again, these were witnesses who gave testimony. And if the "analysis" does not take them into account, then this is a fake analysis.

                        The witnesses did not see the whole picture. their opinions are subjective.
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 13 September 2021 13: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        The prosecutor's office and the defense provide the court with only what they deem necessary.

                        That is, the facts are being manipulated. Well, what is the value of such a court?
                        Quote: Professor
                        The witnesses did not see the whole picture. their opinions are subjective.

                        Judges and investigators are not professionals. Their opinion is that of amateurs.
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 13 September 2021 13: 44
                        -3
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, the facts are being manipulated. Well, what is the value of such a court?

                        No. They do not manipulate, but provide information that is relevant in their opinion.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Judges and investigators are not professionals. Their opinion is that of amateurs.

                        Quite right. That is why they invite experts and make a conclusion by seeing the big picture.
                      6. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 13 September 2021 17: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        They do not manipulate, but provide information that is relevant in their opinion.

                        That is, not all, but the one that is convenient for them. That is, they are manipulating.
                        Quote: Professor
                        That is why they invite experts and make a conclusion by seeing the big picture.

                        Experts have unequivocally stated that no plane would have destroyed them.
                      7. Professor
                        Professor 14 September 2021 06: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, not all, but the one that is convenient for them. That is, they are manipulating.

                        Is it news to you that the prosecution is showing documents that are beneficial for the prosecution, and that the defense is beneficial for the defense?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Experts have unequivocally stated that no plane would have destroyed them.

                        For example?
                      8. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 14 September 2021 07: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        News to you that the accusation shows

                        That is, the facts are being falsified.
                        Quote: Professor
                        For example?

                        Quote: Alex777
                        On July 28, 1945, a B-25 bomber crashed in New York. Fighting vehicle pilot William Franklin Smith lost his bearings while trying to land at the airport. A U.S. Air Force plane crashed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building in thick fog, punching a giant hole in the facade.
                        Fuel leaked from the tanks, resulting in a fire engulfing several floors. One of the engines fell through the southern part of the building and crashed onto the penthouse below, while the other entered the elevator shaft, severing the cables. As a result, the cabin fell down. 10 people became victims of the fire. Also killed three on board the bomber.
                        one of the chief engineers of the World Trade Center, recalled that a scenario was considered of a Boeing 707 jet airliner hitting a building, lost orientation in the fog and flying at a relatively low speed in search of John F Kennedy Airport or Newark Liberty Airport [8] [11] [12] ... John Skilling, another WTC engineer, said in 1993 that his subordinates were conducting an analysis that showed that the biggest problem in the event of a Boeing 707 colliding with one of the WTC towers would be a large mass of fuel entering the building, which would lead to a “terrible fire "And many human victims, but the building itself will remain standing
                        NIST found a three-page report in the archives summarizing research that simulated a Boeing 707 or Douglas DC-8 hitting a building at 950 km / h. The study showed that the building should not collapse as a result of such a hit

                        Do you say something about the experimental check on this? So the building into which the bomber crashed was to open the next day and was not going to fall apart.
  • nemez
    nemez 14 September 2021 06: 30
    0
    Professor, you already contradict yourself, the Taliban are not to blame, but the US had evidence to attack Afghanistan.
  • Motorist
    Motorist 12 September 2021 17: 30
    0
    Quote: Professor
    where is the dock? At least with Flying Radar24 ...

    This, most likely, will not happen. From Wiki (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flightradar24):

    Start of work 2007
  • atalef
    atalef 12 September 2021 07: 29
    -3
    Quote: Dart2027
    On September 13, at least 6 private and two dozen commercial planes were evacuating Saudis from the country ... A total of 140 Arabs, including 24 members of the Bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country ...

    You don't need to be a mathematician to understand --- 30 people were taken out by 140 planes - cool and conspiratorial. laughing
    Sometimes you need to turn on your head in order to understand where the fake is, but this is just a stupid fake.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 12 September 2021 08: 34
      +5
      Quote: atalef
      30 planes took out 140 people

      It so happens that the plane takes out one person. Realities of life.
  • unknown
    unknown 12 September 2021 09: 25
    -1
    What sect are you from?
  • anjey
    anjey 12 September 2021 06: 27
    -2
    Thus, the terrorist attack on September 11 was a large-scale provocation,
    Who would doubt it, take at least the multi-angle video filming, organized on a Hollywood scale and clearly at the appointed time.
    1. ViacheslavS
      ViacheslavS 12 September 2021 16: 48
      +2
      Well, the shooting took place after the first plane, and they are quite understandable.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 September 2021 06: 28
    -3
    Thus, the September 11 terrorist attack was a large-scale provocation organized by the US intelligence services and their allies, with the aim of dumping the contradictions and problems caused by the crisis of capitalism, the United States and the West as a whole.
    As in that anecdote: "In my gut I smell that liter, but I can't express it!"
    Therefore, all the corpses are on the conscience of the top authorities of the Merkiatosia and the CIA.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 12 September 2021 06: 32
    +7
    Moreover, the globalists are ready to sacrifice the United States itself, where the patriots led by Trump have lost.

    The author seriously believes that a lot of things depend on the personality of the president in the United States? Alas. Trump and Biden are different in everything, but American policy is unchanged ... In a world where transnational capital has long ruled, it is very naive to think that the president is an independent figure ...
    1. victor50
      victor50 12 September 2021 23: 24
      +1
      Quote: Doccor18
      it is naive to think that the president is an independent figure ...

      I heard in America: Roosevelt showed that you can be president in America as long as you want, Truman - that anyone can be president, and Eisenhower - that America can do without a president at all. smile
  • zimzinov
    zimzinov 12 September 2021 07: 02
    +3
    MH-17 Downed Boeing is also a US provocation. On a smaller scale, but with human casualties.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 September 2021 07: 10
    +9
    The more I look at materials on 9/11, the more doubts that everything is clean there. Even in the first hours, the reports resembled some kind of blockbuster, from the chosen shooting angle. And the honesty of the Americans can be judged by the way they attacked Iraq, shaking "accusations" in the UN Security Council in the person of Colin Powell.
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 September 2021 07: 34
      -9
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And the honesty of the Americans can be judged by the way they attacked Iraq, shaking "accusations" in the UN Security Council in the person of Colin Powell.

      Well, if you tie all the incidents into one canvas of interconnected lies. Should I start with a flight to the moon? Or even from the first lie - and then) according to your logic) - whatever they say - a complete lie.
      And the one who lied once - you can no longer believe it.
      By the way, what can you (to avoid double standards) - say about the Russian leadership - never lie?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 12 September 2021 08: 43
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        By the way, what can you (to avoid double standards) - say about the Russian leadership - never lie?

        I do not know who you rank among the leadership of Russia, but the current government of the country is in the hands of pretended, insincere people. Easier to say when they were telling the truth.
        ==========
        I have the opinion that those exposed by the authorities from the people (in any countries), every time (this is how little children lie to their parents to avoid punishment), lie to the people, citizens, voters with one goal - to continue to revel in the right to do things. This is some kind of disease that turns (if the government is not changed) into neglected chronic forms, leading to personal insanity and insanity of the entire leadership with the subsequent degradation of the state.
        hi
        1. victor50
          victor50 12 September 2021 23: 19
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          in power

          laughing good
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 12 September 2021 11: 41
      +7
      I remembered a film (mattress), where it was clearly seen how the towers were blown up by controlled internal explosions. Then it became not interesting to talk about it.
      1. Motorist
        Motorist 12 September 2021 17: 45
        +4
        Quote: Alien From
        I remembered a film (mattress), where it was clearly seen how the towers were blown up by controlled internal explosions.

        Probably Zeitgeist (2007). My even does not load, but according to the preview - somewhere in the 52nd minute.
  • riwas
    riwas 12 September 2021 07: 50
    +6
    In the near future, we are unlikely to find out the truth.
    There is a point of view, for example, Sonnenfeld.
    I have a video showing piles of very small stones and bricks that formed after the crash, and also that the neighboring buildings were not damaged, although the building No. 7 itself collapsed. (This could only happen if the explosion thundered inside the building)

    https://inosmi.ru/world/20130917/213028223.html
    There are opinions that support the official point of view.
    https://pikabu.ru/story/obrushenie_bashen_vtts_s_tochki_zreniya_ofitsialnoy_versii_5243346
  • anjey
    anjey 12 September 2021 08: 03
    +2
    Quote: Professor

    Technically, this attack is simply elementary. They cut the pilot and flew to two huge targets visible for tens of kilometers. What is the difficulty?

    It's one thing to learn on a simulator (Arab terrorists) and another to take control in a real flight, these are two big differences.
    1. Vlad69
      Vlad69 12 September 2021 08: 52
      0
      It is not a fact that they could get into the towers even at the Sesna, and even into the five-story pentagon, or even from the brink of Hollywood.
      1. alch3mist
        alch3mist 12 September 2021 16: 19
        -1
        It is not a fact that they could get into the towers even at the Sesna, and even into the five-story pentagon, or even from the brink of Hollywood.

        Moreover, not in the center, but neatly to the side to make a small hole, where the whole "Boeing" and hid.
    2. Lunic
      Lunic 12 September 2021 19: 30
      +2
      In principle, this is not quite difficult for a trained pilot. The US aviation schools teach navigation quite well. I myself am now studying in such a school.
      1. anjey
        anjey 12 September 2021 19: 48
        0
        It's not about navigation, even in the real situation of hijacking the aircraft, in the most stressful situation and the unpredictability of the actions of both the captured pilots and terrorists, for example, the pilot will suddenly turn off all the engines, there is simply not enough time to stabilize the airliner and the planned plan is already in question. There can be a lot of such situations and details.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 12 September 2021 20: 13
        +4
        Quote: Lunic
        The US aviation schools teach navigation quite well. I myself am now studying in such a school.

        Yes, yes, of course, after a little training at a flight school on a bend, get into a rather narrow building - any illiterate Arab will be able to do this, if you believe in the American version. By the way, even the air currents over the city make it difficult for the plane to fly, and this requires experience in order to accurately reach one of the two buildings. Well, these shepherds are magicians - so capable that they just spit such an aviation colossus in manual mode ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 13 September 2021 11: 16
          0
          Quote: ccsr
          a little training in a flight school on a bend to get into a rather narrow building - any illiterate Arab will be able to do this, if you believe in the American version

          I am ashamed to ask - Arabs - professional pilots - do not exist in nature? !!!
          Or did they end up in a tiny little gatehouse? The target was huge ...
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 13 September 2021 11: 50
            -1
            Quote: your1970
            I am ashamed to ask - Arabs - professional pilots - do not exist in nature? !!!

            They exist, but they are taught for a long time, then they are trained before being allowed to independently control a flight on passenger planes. Or do the Americans have other methods of training Arab pilots?
            Quote: your1970
            Or did they end up in a tiny little gatehouse? The target was huge ...

            Tell this to someone else who does not know what kind of turbulence there are on the ocean coast of large cities, and how professional pilots sometimes do not even get to the landing strip the first time, with all the navigation systems and the work of lighting devices. And here a poorly trained pilot hit the VERTICAL "pole", which is already on the runway, from the first time, having never flown over New York before. Do you yourself believe in this nonsense?
            1. your1970
              your1970 13 September 2021 12: 05
              0
              I repeat
              Quote: your1970
              Arabs - professional pilots - do not exist in nature? !!!

              What makes you think - that the pilots NOT were professional pilots ???
              What is the problem to find not very mentally stable and religious, and possibly also a victim from the USA? In the same Iraq, for example? Even in the USA?
              Take the same major (!!!) psychologist (!!!) of the US Army, who shot 30 with something ... Why do you think it is a problem to find an Arab with special knowledge and skills?
              Yes, he may have flown to New York every other day from some Iraq or Kuwait (conditionally) ????
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 13 September 2021 12: 32
                0
                Quote: your1970
                What makes you think - that the pilots were NOT professional pilots ???

                From the fact that those pointed to by the Americans turned out to be alive:
                On September 23, 2001, the British BBC News Agency unexpectedly reported that Walid al-Shehri, a Saudi Arabian and named hijacker of AA11 flight, is currently alive, well and doing great in Casablanca, Morocco. The Saudi Arabian Embassy has confirmed that he attended a flight school in Daytona Beach, Florida. He left the United States in September 2000 and works for Royal Air Morocco. This is further confirmed by the Associated Press, according to which Walid al-Shehri appeared at the American Embassy in Morocco: “The FBI released a photograph of him that was disseminated in newspapers and television news around the world. This same Mr. al-Shehri showed up in Morocco, thus proving that he was not a member of the suicide pilot team. Total, minus one.
                Weil al-Shehri (AA11) is also alive and well. He works as a pilot and his father is a Saudi Arabian diplomat in Bombay. The Los Angeles Times, in an article on September 21, 2001, reports that the head of the information center of the Saudi Arabian Embassy in the United States, Gaafar Allagani, confirmed that he personally spoke with both father and son. Total, minus two.
                Abdulaziz al-Omari (AA11), while studying in Denver, lost his passport, which he once reported to the police. He currently works as an engineer for Saudi Telecom. The Telegraph on September 23, 2001 quoted him: “I couldn't believe when I saw myself on the FBI lists. They showed my name, my photo and my date of birth, but I'm not a suicide bomber. I'm here. I'm alive. I have no idea how to fly the plane. I had nothing to do with all this. " Total, minus three.
                Said al-Ghamdi (UA93), a Saudi Airways pilot, was in Tunisia during the 11/22 events, where he was training with 320 other pilots to fly an Airbus-XNUMX. The Telegraph quoted him as saying: “The FBI did not provide any evidence of my involvement in the attacks. You have no idea what it is like to be called a dead terrorist when I am alive and innocent. " Total, minus four.

                https://oleglurie-new.livejournal.com/300539.html

                Quote: your1970
                Yes, he may have flown to New York every other day from some Iraq or Kuwait (conditionally) ????

                And nothing that these pilots, which the Americans refer to, were not in the United States at that moment?
                1. your1970
                  your1970 13 September 2021 13: 05
                  0
                  Quote: ccsr
                  these pilots referred to by the Americans,

                  And what has to do with these? There are no other Arab pilots in the world?
                  Do you want to consider this the operations of the US intelligence services ?? Yes, as much as necessary !!!!

                  Only the question arises again about КVALIFIED pilots and sufficient motivation for death !!!
                  To die for Islam - I believe, to die for the CIA grandmother - is much less ...
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 13 September 2021 13: 17
                    -1
                    Quote: your1970
                    To die for Islam - I believe, to die for the CIA grandmother - is much less ...

                    Yes, they could generally be used on board in the dark, having come up with a beautiful version about the seizure of aircraft by terrorists.
      3. Ghent
        Ghent 13 September 2021 18: 57
        0
        You from Tsesna will probably easily fly on Boige 767 right away?
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 12 September 2021 08: 45
    +5
    Boring, clichéd conspiracy theories. Nothing changes, the same fish, from which the teeth are already set on edge.
    Okay, not in the Analytics section. however, it would have been at least some kind of surprise.
    Although I have a suspicion that the author is wholly and completely working for the amusement of the most respectable public. So that she had a lot of fun in the comments about capitalism and about the special services. After all, she, the public, always knew them, capitalism and special services, the whole rotten essence.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 12 September 2021 09: 09
    +1
    Instead of the era of science and enlightenment, I found myself in the era of dolboyas, conspiracy theorists and other comrades who were too lazy to attend school. Now these mating mistakes, Homo sapiens with Neanderthals, rule the world with their two neurons and amuse people.

    Circus tent on tour ...
    1. anjey
      anjey 12 September 2021 14: 18
      +9
      And the 20-year "struggle" of the Americans with the Taliban in Afghanistan, the aftermath of September 11, 2001, and the recent flight from there (withdrawal) with the Taliban leaving weapons and equipment worth 85 billion, is this not a World Circus? And do you think the Americans are not clowns? So then - cynical liars, murderers and businessmen, for whom all World Terrorists, when necessary and profitable, become "best friends", and their people and soldiers, targets and corpses, this is such a terrible Circus - made in USA. Here it is a parallel with the Twin Towers and muddy and dirty-bloody American politics.
    2. anjey
      anjey 12 September 2021 14: 44
      +3
      By the way, Al-Qaeda, Taliban and ISIS are all brainchildren of the United States, what is needed to create a "Dragon" so that there is someone to fight with and behind this screen you can control this "Dragon" in your own interests. the level of the "House of Fools".
    3. Motorist
      Motorist 12 September 2021 18: 03
      +2
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Instead of the era of science and enlightenment, I ended up in the era of dolphin

      If Newton hadn’t thought about the reason for the apple falling on his head (except “as it should be” or “God's will”), then the laurels of the discovery of the law of universal gravitation would have gone to someone else ...
  • A009
    A009 12 September 2021 11: 41
    +6
    Dear editors. With all due respect to the pluralism of opinions and the freedom to express your thoughts and points of view, I beg you to stop typing such nonsense. And it's not just this article (although, I confess, this article is "unique" in some part). The fact is that more and more articles appear on the site that have not passed even the slightest moderation for common sense. I am already very afraid to read here something about science and pseudoscientific articles. Scientists are resting. If you position yourself as a serious, moreover, international, media, especially on a military topic, you will be so kind to add a little common sense. It is clear that there are slightly different points of view. But when you bring them, give the task to the authors to provide a little evidence base and materials on which they built their "logical" conclusions! And then they just dumped a "bunch" and said: this article is my opinion. From this "heap" did not become better and more informative. And there was no common sense in it. This is anti-constructive and just stupidity and nothing else. I understand that the world will not collapse from one unsubscribed. But the water wears away the stone. You yourself undermine the opinion of you as a serious media outlet.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 12 September 2021 12: 31
      +7
      hi
      You yourself undermine the opinion of you as a serious media outlet.
      good
    2. alch3mist
      alch3mist 12 September 2021 16: 32
      0
      Dear editors. With all due respect to the pluralism of opinions and the freedom to express your thoughts and points of view, I beg you to stop typing such nonsense.

      Just business! He called it all nonsense, and there is no need to bother with arguments. And people write, argue ...
      1. A009
        A009 13 September 2021 00: 24
        -5
        So I am not a media outlet, especially an international one. I am an ordinary commentator and an ordinary person. There was a big article from one moderator, the bottom line is that "the commentator is shallow." They can persecute, minus, write nonsense. In general, "it was better before." Perhaps from the moderator's side and correctly written. And his sorrow for the lack of objective opinions under the articles is understandable. I myself fell under similar arbitrariness (the last one - when I corrected a person who attributed to Einstein words and discoveries that he did not utter or make, on this assumption he called this scientist, received a lot of minuses) But when articles like this pass, demand something from commentators. Seriously?))))
  • bandabas
    bandabas 12 September 2021 11: 49
    +1
    A pretext for expansion into Afghan. After 20 years, they disgracefully fled. They just fled.
  • Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 12 September 2021 12: 10
    +6
    Well, about the self-destruction of towers, the author is right, they were blown up, just read the wiki about the architecture of the towers.
    So, the main supporting element of the structure is a package passing in the center and 96 metal pipes welded together. He carries all the loads. Around it are common areas such as elevator shafts, communication wells, fire escapes, etc. what relates to the general operation of the building. In theory, all this is fenced off by a common wall.
    Further, every 10th floor is technical, there are supporting structures (beams that can support the weight of a 9-storey building + base plate), equipment for the building's life support system, etc. etc. The design is good because you can use standard equipment for 9-storey buildings, you don't need to invent anything :)
    In fact, the entire 9-storey compartment can be given to tenants, they can do whatever they want there, as long as they do not violate the rules of the capitalist hostel.
    Now let's turn on the logic. Skyscrapers burned, burn and will burn. Moreover, I believe that right now there is a fire in one of the hundreds of skyscrapers scattered around the globe. This means that we need measures of constructive protection, in short, firewalls. The supporting slab-base of the 9-storey section clearly begs for the role of a firewall. Moreover, some photographs show the lower horizontal border of the fire. The main quality characteristic of a firewall is its durability in hours. Soviet standards - 2,5 hours (experts can correct it), in principle this is enough, but they say that there have been cases :(
    So, we take the official version, a barrel of kerosene got into the building at a height of about 2/3 of the ground level. What's expected? That the nine-story section will burn out and collapse. but the building will stand. In extreme cases, if the slab does not hold up, then the sector will fall, but the central package will hold up. But EVERYTHING collapsed !!! And immediately in the dust! Do you believe that a central tube package could fold up in 10 seconds due to a fire? And what about the "hat" section above the fire point? She generally had to fall in one piece with all the contents !!
    So believe the official version.
    1. Alexey Kurilov_4
      Alexey Kurilov_4 12 September 2021 13: 25
      -2
      and somewhere there was a snapshot that once an airplane crashed into a skyscraper just got stuck in it
  • Bradley
    Bradley 12 September 2021 12: 12
    -2
    More conspiracy theories. Not tired yet?
  • Alexey Kurilov_4
    Alexey Kurilov_4 12 September 2021 13: 18
    -4
    The stake was made on the disintegration of OUR COMMUNIST ruling class. And who-that one turned out to be so decomposable?
  • anjey
    anjey 12 September 2021 13: 26
    +3
    Whose was this "Ball" in the American wall of democracy ???
  • Shahno
    Shahno 12 September 2021 13: 34
    -4
    Quote: Shahno
    I don’t know what knowledge you got ...
    What you brought is all circumstantial evidence. That is, the results can be caused by a dozen reasons.
    As well as the circumstances that happened after the event. For example, "the structure changed after the collision, the buildings were designed to collapse (vertically), and Jackie Chan has been feeling unwell for a month now."
  • Revival
    Revival 12 September 2021 14: 31
    0
    At one time I read a lot about these terrorist attacks.
    The main question is one.
    Why did they collapse so, to the foundation !?
    From kerosene?
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 12 September 2021 14: 33
    -4
    Well, just the standard of conspiracy.
    What always clearly distinguishes conspiracy theorists is that they cannot clearly prove any of their theses, everything is exclusively unfounded, "on sensations."
    This opus can be easily equated with astrology and REN-TV.
    Such a thing is forgivable for a lumpen conversation in a pub, but in no way suitable for intellectual polemics.
  • Anton Kopylov
    Anton Kopylov 12 September 2021 18: 21
    -4
    It's funny. Very funny.



    Soviet Union (in essence, the Russian world-civilization)


    Sounds straightforward. We lived, restless Russians - without peace, without civilization for many, many centuries, until the "chosen by God" immigrants from the Promised Lands came down to us and cooked up a "Russian world-civilization" for us, yeah.

    Therefore, the stake was made on the disintegration of the ruling class, which ultimately resulted in perestroika and reforms.


    Where were the bets placed? On the "phonbet"? Be kind, please explain by what method they "disintegrated" our ruling class. Whom exactly was it laid out? How? How did this manifest itself? How is this even possible? And what confirms this hypothesis?

    Terrorist fanatics trained in flight would not have been able to successfully deploy a bulk like a passenger Boeing on targets such as the World Trade Center towers.


    That is, the terrorists would not find terrorists so that they could crash into "such targets", while the conventional CIA would have such terrorists heaps? That is, there are no pilots professing Islam and capable of piloting a Boeing, with whom it is possible to carry out certain "work" for recruiters? That is, educated people have never been recruited into the ranks of terrorists, including citizens of the United States, the EU, the Russian Federation and the CIS with military institutions? Has this ever happened?

    And why would they certainly bomb their own World Trade Center? In modern history, they have not deployed troops anywhere - and without any WTC there. Moreover, in 2001. they had no one to say a word against in the international arena. All the more so for Afghan. Iraq here, whatever one may say, does not stick in any way.

    After the terrorist attack, American law and Washington's political decisions began to dominate international and national legal norms.


    And before the terrorist attack, the Americans listened with an open mouth - what the world community would say to them.

    It seems that a third-grader was forced to write some kind of agitation.
    1. anjey
      anjey 12 September 2021 20: 08
      +2
      Why did Hitler need a radio station in Gleiwitz? Could he have attacked Poland anyway, especially since all the European states and their intelligence services understood and knew this inevitability? The Nazi school of provocations is still alive and has found refuge in the United States, how many Nazis settled there after WWII and mainly in the special services? Look at the history of the United States, there are no numbers of provocations and incidents that led to military conflicts. "Maine", "Lusitania", "Thin Bay" and TD and TP. Even the Nazis probably learned from the Yankees, they are worth each other.
      1. your1970
        your1970 13 September 2021 11: 34
        -2
        Quote: anjey
        Why did Hitler need a radio station in Gleiwitz?

        I hesitate to ask - a who it was Hitler in 1939? !!!!!!!
        He had military bases in 169 states (out of 192 !!! Well, that is, everywhere !!!), did his troops occupy all of Europe and England? Have you been to Japan? Was his currency imposed on the whole world?
        Who was he ??? !!!!! Compared to the USA in 2000, it was not even zero, so small fry podzabornaya ... Shantrap ...
        He was in 1939 - as Poland is now - like there are troops and there are ambitions, but it's not enough to attack something serious ...
        That is why Gleiwitz was needed - he was still afraid and excuses were needed
        And only after practicing "on cats" (Poland) - he became Hitler and began to put pressure on everyone ...
        And the United States did not need pretexts for a long time .. Yes, well, no, it means "For freedom and democracy !!" ...
        1. anjey
          anjey 13 September 2021 12: 10
          0
          Too many rights for the Yankees in the World have often ended and I hope that even now they will end with the next failures in World geopolitics.
          The Anglo-Saxon model, imposed on other countries, is not acceptable for everyone and it is flawed and not fair. They made fun of the small fry, I certainly am not a supporter of the Nazis, but in my opinion, political small fry is right now in the world leaders in many leading countries.
          1. your1970
            your1970 13 September 2021 12: 20
            -1
            Quote: anjey
            They made fun of me, about the small fry, I'm certainly not a supporter of the Nazis

            Are you ready to compare US influence in 2000 with influence Hitler in the late summer of 1939?
            He had military bases in 169 states (out of 192 !!! Well, that is, everywhere !!!), his troops occupied all of Europe and England? Have you been to Japan? Was his currency imposed on the whole world?

            He was small fry at that moment ...
            Therefore - in contrast to the United States - and needed pretexts.
            1. anjey
              anjey 13 September 2021 16: 46
              +1
              Apparently you don’t realize that such comparisons across the epochs are not correct - this is utter nonsense, let's compare Alexander the Great and your SASHI laughing Each historical period has its own preconditions, laws, victims, atrocities and villains, well, and their winners ...
            2. anjey
              anjey 13 September 2021 16: 52
              0
              Sasha and their politicians are the same pathetic little fry, shaking with test tubes and carrying an utter and stupid False,my personal opinion laughingThis is no longer a force but a "colossus with feet of clay" ... Of course, they control a large sector of the economy in the World, but it tends to decrease and move away from the dominance of the dollar. Russia, China, India and many other countries will sooner or later leave this dictate. both economic and political, and the colossus will fall, although it will need a Great War to save it, wait and see maybe the decline of the American empire, the new world order will be more just and acceptable for all countries.
              1. your1970
                your1970 13 September 2021 20: 31
                0
                Quote: anjey
                It is no longer a force but a "colossus with feet of clay".
                - alas, but this is literally - they said back in the USSR .... The USSR is gone for a long time, and the United States is more alive than all the living. And who and they don't need excuses - they wanted to go to Grenada / Panama / Yugoslavia and started the war quite freely
                Quote: anjey
                the tendency to decrease and move away from the dominance of the dollar Russia, China, India and many other countries will sooner or later leave this dictate
                - someday, but not a fact ...
                while its bases are in all significant countries and the dollar, alas, is still in our gold reserves
    2. zenion
      zenion 12 September 2021 21: 05
      +3
      Many who saw the planes flying to the mall were surprised that there were no windows on the planes. In addition, beacons were installed on the towers so that the planes would not miss. And the raid on the Pentagon was generally surprising that there were no wings, no engines left of the Boeing, not a trace of the fact that the planes were not fixed. The fourth plane also fell from which not a trace remained. And they did not find a single corpse.
  • zenion
    zenion 12 September 2021 21: 01
    +2
    What is the American government and the rich was written by Mark Twain when he described why the US attacked Mexico. He wrote how the provocation was made and for what purpose. And these actions in the war against Mexico, Mark Twain gave the following explanation - to rob a neighbor for their own benefit. They, they say, cannot manage these lands and they need to be taken away so that they would be useful. After that, the people of the United States, not yet very spoiled, rose up against this war and it was stopped.
  • victor50
    victor50 12 September 2021 23: 08
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    They entered the plane as if on a bus with practically no checks and a curtain separated the cockpit from the passenger compartment.

    At 96, when the flight from Chicago to Detroit was delayed, the pilots invited passengers to enter the cockpit. I took advantage of it. I spoke with the pilots through an interpreter. And I entered the airport building in New Yorg as if I were in my own vegetable garden. Although in many state institutions (in the courts, for example) there were already frameworks.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 12 September 2021 23: 49
    0
    Any system accumulates contradictions and comes to a crisis. The question is how to overcome this crisis.
  • George Koval
    George Koval 13 September 2021 00: 26
    0
    Boeing is also their handiwork!
    1. anjey
      anjey 13 September 2021 04: 47
      +1
      The United States loves airplanes, there were many Boeings, remember at least the South Korean KE007, in 1983 ...
  • kig
    kig 13 September 2021 02: 43
    -2
    From the very first words the author is clear - of course A. Samsonov. Not a single fact is given, only an iron confidence in his, and only in his, words. And it was, of course, blown up by the same people who drew cartoons about landing on the moon. There is nothing to think about.
  • FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 13 September 2021 05: 33
    -2
    The author has read / heard a lot of world conspiracy theories.
    1. anjey
      anjey 13 September 2021 06: 10
      +3
      There is nothing new, the policy of provocations of the United States, which has already become History and a parable in tongues. The world, if you know History, is constantly shaken by military-political and economic conspiracies of various scales and thousands, millions of people are dying as a result of such geopolitics. Such is the History of Mankind, dear laughing
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 13 September 2021 07: 54
    0
    Again Samsonov got a matrix with Stalin, although he died 48 years before the events described.
  • Valery Volkov
    Valery Volkov 13 September 2021 08: 12
    0
    On September 11, 2001, the American special services chose their country for provocation and doomed their citizens to death in order to start a full-scale war against countries that allegedly threaten their national security - the Yankees declared a "crusade" against international terrorism. Yes, the goal is good, but look how their twenty-year stay in Afghanistan ended? A shameful flight, because they fled from the battlefield, abandoning equipment, weapons and ammunition, and again they are trying to convince us that they have left, but can return. I have a feeling that everything they abandoned is a bribe for the Taliban so that they can get out of the country with less losses.
  • vital.33
    vital.33 13 September 2021 08: 43
    +1
    Take someone away from Prokhanov's computer already ...
  • Aurel
    Aurel 13 September 2021 11: 15
    +3
    Presumably, the 11/20 attacks were planned within America by the powerful financial lobby, whose historical homeland is the eastern Mediterranean, which in turn was under constant threat of missile strikes from Saddam Hussein and Iran, which repeatedly threatened to destroy this state. To secure their historical homeland, a crushing preemptive strike was needed that could eliminate these threats. A strike by the American military machine, without a significant reason, could turn the whole world, especially the Muslim one, against America and could provoke massive anger and terrorist threats. An excuse was needed. And they found him. The towers symbolized the technological power of America and their destruction could greatly hurt the pride of the American masses and cause anger in it and thereby justify the use of armed forces outside America, which has always, especially after Vietnam, been extremely unpopular in society. As a result, Iraq is defeated. Iran has been in the pincers of US and NATO forces in Afghanistan in the east and troops in Iraq in the west for XNUMX years. The Eastern Mediterranean state is now relatively safe. The goal has been achieved.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 13 September 2021 17: 40
      -2
      Quote: Aurel
      Goal achieved

      And who planted the explosives in the basements of the blown-up houses in Moscow? Not the FSB accidentally? After all, they caught some murky individuals, but it quickly became clear that they were conducting anti-terrorist exercises
  • Freedim
    Freedim 13 September 2021 11: 55
    0
    Here's an interesting angle. The upper windows next to the breach are not even broken. Those. if the plane really was, it had to "belly" scrape the entire area in front of the building, and enter the wall with a center section at the level of the first floor (if not into the basement). Judging by the first floor, it can be assumed that the engines "left" there, and from above all this was buried by the collapsed upper floors. Confused by only one thing. The lampposts in front of the breach look completely intact with their height of 3-4 floors.

    .
    shl. I was also pleased with the CRT monitor on the top floor :)
    1. Ghent
      Ghent 13 September 2021 19: 03
      +1
      And, where is the trace, at least, from the blow of the wings, I will not ask about the engines at all, where are the traces of a fierce fire, from tens of tons of kerosene, from which the WTC allegedly collapsed? Only no one will give answers to these questions.
  • Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 13 September 2021 12: 22
    +2
    Another rambunctiousness of flat-earth adherents who believe that the US government has caused itself many trillions of damage for many years. The shares of the largest American companies went down sharply, the dollar too. This is trillions of dollars in losses, for what? For someone to get insurance for a miserable several billion? Or Yes, the Americans needed a reason to get into Afghanistan, and for this they banged themselves. Before this incident, in hundreds of interventions, they did not need a reason, and they did not blow up anything. Did they blow up something? Or they simply said that Hussein had chemical weapons and started bombing. And Syria? I don’t remember any explosions in the United States before the American intervention. This time they did not even look for an excuse, they said that Assad was illegitimate and that was all. But there are seals who naively believe that the explosions were for the reason for the invasion of Afghanistan. There are official conclusions, which have been verified dozens of times. But this is still not true. It turns out that the FBI agents just dragged and on their hump, thousands of tons of hexogen, for 10 years they were hollowing out the walls in plain sight to install it and then blowing it up. And well, before the explosion, these FBI agents got on airplanes and drove them into buildings with their own hands. It turns out that there are no hundreds of Arab airlines with thousands of high-class pilots. Everything just turns out. And the fact that gas fires were extinguished for more than six months is all nonsense. The fact that the whole area around these towers was destroyed is also not interesting to anyone, they only know that two towers have fallen vertically so the rest of the city will not suffer. Well, everything else. Return to the chambers, citizens, it's time to take the pills.
  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 13 September 2021 14: 43
    0
    Everything is clear for a long time
    So, here we have a military site. Entire divisions of miners, sappers, bombers, just special forces. A separate division of ensigns and even a whole company of generals. Well, answer me, military specialists, where did tens of thousands of tons of armored steel from the frames of the shopping center go? (how many can be minted T-34 tanks? A thousand? Two? Three?) And all this for a few seconds turns into dust and blows off into the ocean, as well as the police, New Yorkers and firefighters.
    Question: what could happen to make all this armor steel dust?
    A bit of history. Here is a photo of the Twin Towers, which turned to dust after the 11/2,5 attacks. These steel columns were incredibly thick - each wall was 6,35 inches (5 cm) thick, so the total thickness of each of the columns was 12,7 inches ( 34 cm). To get a sense of how much this is, here's a good comparison: the frontal armor of the best WWII tank, the T-1,8, was only 4,5 inches (XNUMX cm) and it was single-walled.

    So, we have a military site. Question: if we fill all these columns with explosives, all 130 floors and tear, what will happen? What happened to the T-34 tank, which exploded ammunition? Correctly! The tower flew off, and pieces of armor, the skeleton of the tank, as a rule, remained.
    And then everything turned into microscopic dust.
    Shopping centers were made of armored steel, and not of concrete, as they tried to push us.
  • Cheerock
    Cheerock 13 September 2021 15: 04
    +1
    Did the communists write this entire text? There are many slogans and dubious references to history, facts, documents - zero. What's the sensation? what
  • Berg berg
    Berg berg 13 September 2021 15: 40
    +1
    As the Americans themselves declare after numerous independent investigations, they themselves have destroyed, but there is silence about this! Uncle Sam might be offended!
  • Alexander Lysenko
    Alexander Lysenko 13 September 2021 15: 47
    -2
    Too big one-time losses. Both human and financial. the Americans are ready for them, if they press, but they themselves would never go for such a thing.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 13 September 2021 17: 34
    0
    Give the author the facts, not demagoguery. What, when, where.

    "They would have partially burned out and everything" their cables, which are retaining structures, burned out.
  • 123456789
    123456789 13 September 2021 19: 05
    0
    After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, all the columns were plastered with bentonite. I myself supervised these projects "Improving the fire resistance of structures."
  • Li17
    Li17 13 September 2021 20: 16
    0
    Quote: Old Fuck
    Learn materiel and everything will become clear.

    You would have studied the CWP textbook for the sake of order .... it clearly says what a nuclear explosion is.
  • Li17
    Li17 13 September 2021 20: 19
    0
    Quote: Old Fuck
    Shopping centers were made of armored steel, and not of concrete, as they tried to push us.

    Curiously, the radiation has obviously worked on your body, or the chemistry.
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 13 September 2021 21: 42
    0
    People spoke about the same scenario when houses were blown up in Moscow and Volgograd and hundreds of people died. And this was the beginning of the 2nd Chechen war
  • Usher
    Usher 14 September 2021 00: 46
    0
    It is immediately clear who the author is))) Stalin dragged in and all that)))
  • nemez
    nemez 14 September 2021 06: 34
    0
    The professor and his relatives are striking in their obstinacy and love for the Anglo-Saxons. I used to think that the Jews are quite an intelligent people, now I think that Churchill was right about the Jews.
  • kig
    kig 14 September 2021 14: 35
    0
    I asked Yandex "who believes in conspiracy theories and why," and this is what happened:

    If you think that Americans weren't on the moon, antivirus software manufacturers release viruses themselves, oil corporations block the development of alternative energy, and GMOs cause infertility, then it is quite possible that you have a difficult life and high levels of stress, for example, due to problems in personal life or economic crisis. This conclusion can be drawn from a new scientific study, the results of which are published in the Journal of Personality and Individual Differences.

    Stress isn't the only explanation for a person's belief in conspiracy theories, though. Previous studies have found correlations with a number of other factors, including low intelligence, certain political views, distrust of authority, low self-esteem, and feelings of helplessness. That is, there is a whole range of psychological factors. Of course, in the modern information space, people easily find like-minded people on the Internet, further strengthening their faith.
    By the way, one of the scientific studies proves mathematically that large conspiracy theories cannot be kept secret for long. However, who said that this scientific work was not sponsored by the participants in the conspiracy?
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  • Victor Khripushin
    Victor Khripushin 15 September 2021 17: 56
    0
    Interestingly, it is clear with the killed in the towers, but where did the 6 wounded come from. Wounded onlookers, or something, during the destruction.