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Passion for the flow. Is Europe ready to take risks

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This day came



The fact that the welding of the last pipe of the second string of Nord Stream 2 has been completed was notified to the world by the one who should be - the project operator, Nord Stream 2 AG. It happened on September 6, and on the same day it was reported that only the most necessary technological work remained to be done until the SP-2 was fully ready.

The company's message itself was extremely dry, but it still said that it was planned to put the gas pipeline into operation before the end of this year. No euphoria, no visits to the finish point of top officials or announcements on the forums, as it was already at the beginning of summer in St. Petersburg.

And September 2 - Day of Oil and Gas Industry Workers, the main industry holiday was already over. Although the chairman of the board of Gazprom, Alexei Miller, announced at a conference call that gas via Nord Stream 2 will go to Europe before the end of this year.

Passion for the flow. Is Europe ready to take risks

Authoritative analysts at Bloomberg have already announced that on October 1, the first gas will go through the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. The agency, which is not seen in particular sympathy for Russia, traditionally makes its forecasts based only on pragmatic assessments. Without emotions and references to political and other risks.

Old Bloomberg and New Chancellor


Thank you, of course, but let us express some doubts about such confidence. Our doubts are also based on a business approach, and there is also no place for anything else.

So, now there is no direct benefit from the launch of gas through the pipeline for the Russian gas giant. Prices will fall, and the growth in the volume of supplies is unlikely to compensate for this, especially since this growth will become significant not earlier than the beginning of 2022.

In the current situation, Gazprom is interested in the early launch of the second stream only and exclusively from the point of view of its image. Yes, a positive effect can bring considerable dividends, but will they pay off the colossal expenses that are inevitable for the sake of an early start-up.

Needless to say, these are expenses of a completely different kind than construction costs. Certification, solving property problems that arose after Nord Stream 2 came under the third EU directive, and finally legal disputes on a range of issues.

And it only seems that everything counts here. First, there are too many initial ones. And you still have to figure out what you want to get at the exit.

All the schemes laid down in the initial agreement on construction and subsequent operation, now, with the departure of Frau Chancellor, become irrelevant. However, Bloomberg prefers not to look back at the new chancellor, whoever he or she may be.

Gazprom cannot leave


And yet, why do the experts of the authoritative and objective Bloomberg speak so confidently about the beginning of October? Is it because they have thoroughly studied Gazprom's gas transit schedules. It is from them that we can conclude that the first million cubic meters have already been included in the plan.

And the plan in Russia, as you know, since the time of underdeveloped socialism is sacred. You can't just correct it. Especially in such a monstrous structure as a natural gas monopoly.


There is hardly anyone at Gazprom, even among top managers, and even Alexey Miller himself (pictured) is really going to put pressure on someone and manipulate someone. Revenues, profits, new affordable loans - this is what the gas concern needs most of all against the backdrop of almost unrestrained expenditures on Nord Streams.

Isn't that why Gazprom's management is both cunning and manipulating not by Europeans, but rather by Russian politicians, right down to you know who, in order to bargain for the most comfortable business conditions for themselves?

Bargaining in advance is for the future, since the current extremely successful conjuncture is, whatever one may say, temporary. If Gazprom itself is not yet able to radically change the situation, only if it can be corrected, then competitors will not sleep indefinitely.


From this point of view, the Baltic Pipe is something like a trial ball, or rather a ball. By and large, the Polish-Norwegian project is not at all a competitor to the streams, but the Europeans are simply obliged to show that they can do something too. To keep Gazprom awake.

Gazprom will leave, will the pipe remain?


Suppose that the most negative scenario will work - the closure of Nord Stream 2. Nobody will ever close the first one, but the European ultra-democrats have long been ready to risk being left without the second.

After this, of course, no one will disassemble the pipe, but not to let gas into it - this cannot be ruled out at all. After all, “to close” something will in fact mean “to take away”. In our country, this is usually called "squeeze out". What they did not so long ago with Oleg Deripaska and his business.

It is known that everything there actually more or less resolved, and the oligarch's losses turned out to be not so terrible. Something like this will not work with Gazprom. There are so many foreign partners tied to him that to throw everyone at once is like signing a sentence to yourself.


Whoever you are - even the president of the world hegemon. Everything is perceived too sharply sometimes at the highest level. But it is clear that gas is not electricity, and you cannot do with a simple switch.

But ... we are accused of threatening the old continent with energy diktat. Pressure on Ukraine, which has long become an absolutely unpredictable transit country, in the same Europe is called nothing but unprecedented.

So they are torn into the Russian pipe. But we may well let our own people into it - both Novatek, and Rosneft, and the Belarusian business in an extreme case. And there are also five partners of Gazprom in the project - it was God himself who ordered them in the gas cartel to support their business leader.

Instead of PS The main paradox of the current situation is that even by launching one of the branches of the second stream, Gazprom is unable to significantly affect the level of filling of European gas storage facilities.

It is now known to be at its lowest level for many years.

And the fall of 2021 began with cold weather, and not only in Russia, and winter is just around the corner. And there is no guarantee that it will be warm.
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  1. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 13 September 2021 15: 12
    +18
    "The exchange price of gas in Europe has again broken a historic record, reaching $ 727 per thousand cubic meters, according to data from the London stock exchange ICE."
    The EU countries themselves have abandoned long-term contracts, such as "market" prices should be lower, and even introduced a restriction for "alternative suppliers". Oh well. "Alternative suppliers" !!! Where are you?
    So no one will close SP-2.
    Well, the worst sanction for Russia is to keep Ukraine back.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 September 2021 15: 20
      +8
      Quote: From Tomsk
      Well, the worst sanction for Russia is to keep Ukraine back.

      The existence of which depends entirely on the Russian authorities ... yes
      1. max702
        max702 13 September 2021 17: 20
        -7
        First, at the prices that are currently taking shape in Europe due to Gazprom's behavior, the problem of importing gas from other places is eliminated. Gazprom's competitive advantage is that its gas is cheaper than American or Australian gas, but at a price of $ 700, what are we talking about? The position of Europe may be: you keep the prices - then we will commercially efficiently take gas at that price elsewhere. The gas is full! The only question was the price.

        It is very difficult for me to speak about economic expediency based on Gazprom's logic. It would be economically feasible twenty years ago to sign an agreement with Ukraine on the modernization of its gas transportation system, agree on long-term tariffs and calmly pump gas through Ukraine, and not spend tens of billions of euros on all this..


        (s) nipalzhivy Milov
        pc:
        Member of the Federal Political Council of the Democratic Choice political party
        November 16, 2013 - December 20, 2015
        Deputy Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation
        May 14, 2002 - October 30, 2002
        1. Siberian54
          Siberian54 14 September 2021 04: 51
          +4
          max702 \ in general, gas prices this season are dictated in Asia and the Far East, Gazprom simply adheres to the conjuncture
          1. max702
            max702 14 September 2021 10: 26
            0
            You write this not to me, but to the author of the article .. I am aware of this, as well as in the course of "helicopter" trillions which ALL real resources have made three four times more expensive, gas, unlike US oil, is not fully controlled for this and is growing trying to rise up to an adequate price with a hypercar that was promoted by the Fed, but the oil does not grow precisely because of control by the United States, but it seems to me that everything is still ahead ..
        2. dragy52rus
          dragy52rus 14 September 2021 09: 58
          0
          You can buy gas, but how can you deliver it to Europe? Something the flows of gas carriers from the USA are not visible. with an increase in gas volumes on the market, the price will go down again.
          About twenty years ago, Ukraine was offered to create a joint venture together with Ukraine + Russia + Germany, but it refused.
        3. valera75
          valera75 14 September 2021 11: 48
          +3
          Gazprom does not dictate prices in Europe and does not influence them, you Max are mistaken. Gazprom strictly fulfills the contract and even put it a little higher than it should be. Europe, having abandoned long-term contracts, found itself in such a situation.
          1. max702
            max702 14 September 2021 12: 27
            0
            Quote: valera75
            you Max are mistaken. Gazprom strictly fulfills the contract and even put a little higher

            No, I'm not mistaken, exactly the fact that Gazprom did not follow the lead and did not supply gas at the request of some just shows who controls the European gas market .. Someone gave Gazprom a calculator and this all started .. De Jure everything is clean, but de facto, it is Gazprom that keeps the Europeans behind Faberge, and it seems to me that Gazprom really likes this situation .. And it was the construction of streams that made it possible. There will still be roofing felts ... I'm waiting for the 404yu to be disconnected from the gas, like you buy it from the reverse, this is where the most interesting thing will begin ..
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 14 September 2021 15: 04
              0
              Quote: max702
              Someone gave Gazprom a calculator and it all started ..

              Gazprom was thrown in Stockholm, the rules of the game were changed in the course of the game on the market, and he got angry and today wants to force the West to pay for his behavior. Everything is quite fair. Will it work? I would like it to work. Sharkers must be taught with a candelabrum ... No calculators were given to him. He himself can teach many to count. Although his inner philosophy is not without flaws. 404 questions will escalate by 2024.
        4. Hagen
          Hagen 14 September 2021 14: 51
          0
          Quote: max702
          you keep the prices - then we will commercially efficiently take gas at that price elsewhere. The gas is full!

          "You" is who? Algeria? Norway? There is also gas produced in the United States, but completely escaped to Southeast Asia. Gas is traded on TTF not only from Gazprom. Take it elsewhere? In which? In what you mean it is possible, really, but having raised the price significantly higher than today at TTF. Otherwise it doesn't work ...
          Quote: max702
          It would be economically expedient to sign an agreement with Ukraine twenty years ago on the modernization of its gas transportation system, agree on long-term tariffs and calmly pump gas through Ukraine, and not spend tens of billions of euros on all this.

          Economically, yes. But given the qualities of the transit country, shown in the last 30 years, this cannot be done. Actually, this is the only reason why all the "streams" appeared, that it was difficult to work with Ukraine, but today it is impossible. And there is no positive forecast for tomorrow. It so happened ...
          1. max702
            max702 14 September 2021 16: 11
            0
            This is not my quote, but the idiot Milov ... those who served us in the cleanup and are now again striving for power and the feeding trough. And in principle, it is not possible to have affairs with s404 and other 14 brothers! They have one paradigm "Russia must!" And the whole question is closed .. We realized this only in recent years, and even then, judging by the musty tuber, not completely ..
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 14 September 2021 18: 41
              +1
              Quote: max702
              This is not my quote, but the idiot Milov

              By the way it is written, it is not clear that this is someone else's quote. You somehow make out the quotes in accordance with the rules so that the readers are not mistaken in your thoughts. If I may...
              1. max702
                max702 15 September 2021 13: 13
                0
                Duc there below it is written who the author is, who he was and where he is torn ..
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 15 September 2021 14: 08
                  0
                  Quote: max702
                  Duc there below it is written who the author is, who he was and where he is torn ..

                  Duc quote is usually made out in quotes. If you don't want quotes, sign that this is a quote ... Russian language at school is studied not only for the Unified State Exam ... wink
                  1. max702
                    max702 15 September 2021 14: 15
                    0
                    Well.. (s) nipalzhivy Milov it seems like it should have been clear ..
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 13 September 2021 15: 37
      -4
      after winter, spring and summer will come!
      gas is needed in Africa and Antarctica.
      in households in Europe it is necessary to cut off the sewage system and sit on tanks with shit - it will be warm. rationally use your resource.
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 13 September 2021 15: 48
      +4
      type "market" prices should be lower

      And it would be fine if the Eurogeans allowed only real sellers of real gas to trade! But after all, there is a rabid gopa of outright speculators hanging out, having nothing for their souls and stupidly barking with some left-handed papers. The stump is clear - these prices can inflate up to 1000 without supplying anything. If only to warm up the end users for the loot .. Liberalism, sir ...
    4. knn54
      knn54 13 September 2021 15: 56
      -5
      During this time, or with Navalny, or with someone else from the opposition, something can happen, through the fault of Putin, of course.
      The situation around the supply of gas with "undemocratic molecules" is heating up every day.
      TODAY, Europe is afraid of one thing - the pipe may become a geopolitical weapon for Russia. And in the light of the West's dislike of monopoly, the EU will seek at least a partial alternative to Russian gas.
    5. max702
      max702 13 September 2021 17: 08
      0
      There are 7-40!
      Good morning!
      Here accomplices recently ordered. Made :)

      And you were warned.
      [media = https: //t.me/rusmonstr/16668]
      By the way, if you subtract 740% from 10, you get 666.

      PS Bonus:

      Exchange news.
      ALUMINUM $ 3000 = 13 years maximum
      Goldman expects a significant rally in oil. Marks a huge market demand.
    6. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 13 September 2021 19: 52
      0
      Quote: From Tomsk
      the price of gas in Europe has again broken a historic record, reaching $ 727 per thousand cubic meters.

      Unlimited price growth indicates the potential willingness of the buyer to completely abandon gas from the pipe. And they have already started talking about this, announcing the transition to more "environmentally friendly" media in almost the next 10-15 years. I wonder if the pipe will have time to pay off?

      The same story happened recently with oil. When the price went off scale at 120USD per barrel, any alternative projects became profitable. Starting from synthetic gasoline made from coal (which is just a lot), and ending with a forced transition to electric vehicles across the entire line from personal transport to freight, inclusive. It is no coincidence that OPEC hastily said that the price of oil at 75USD suits them perfectly.

      In general, GAZPROM has few reasons to rejoice at record gas prices. And the buyers are already thinking and the tax authorities are looking askance, and they will want to take "excess profit" at the very root.
      1. Maxim G
        Maxim G 14 September 2021 18: 24
        +1
        In my opinion, the future is obvious - nuclear power plants (well, all sorts of non-thermal power plants) and electric motors, wherever possible.
        I will not be surprised that large aviation passenger planes will return to propeller driven aircraft powered by electric motors. In the future, of course.
    7. Arctic
      Arctic 14 September 2021 13: 01
      0
      Already $ 800. https://tass.ru/ekonomika/12377313
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 13 September 2021 15: 21
    +4
    The main paradox of the current situation is that even by launching one of the branches of the second stream, Gazprom is unable to significantly affect the level of filling of European gas storage facilities.
    But it will be useful for the geyrope to freeze the slegonets, and if the industrial production is restored, it will break off very much with the prices of energy resources and, as a result, they will not have a debit / credit.
    In general, they themselves, themselves made the porridge, and now ... FIG knows what will happen now.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 13 September 2021 16: 12
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      fig knows what will happen now.

      With the existing 40-plus routes through Ukraine and other routes, Gazprom has fulfilled all contractual obligations this year, no one has reproached him for non-fulfillment, all require additional ones, and this is no longer a legal problem ... there is a double-edged sword ... Gazprom and the budget may receive less finance (it was possible to sell more, but here the price is with the spot component in the contracts), but Europe will pay its price ... In the meantime, everything is going as the Germans started considering the application for certification of Nord Stream 2 AG as independent transport operator, the Poles will put sticks in the wheels ... but all according to the law 4 months - at the beginning of January the maximum answer ... then to the EU, but "the European Commission will get acquainted with the decision, but it will not have the right to veto."
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 13 September 2021 16: 55
        -3
        Quote: BrTurin
        With the existing 40-plus routes through Ukraine and other routes, Gazprom has fulfilled all contractual obligations this year.

        you say as if the official representative of Gazprom wink
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 13 September 2021 18: 05
          +4
          There are enough of their own, the question is what versions, options, etc. etc. so many have already been named ... "In the meantime, everything is going as it is ..." and let it go, Gazprom fulfills its obligations in such a way that legally there are no claims to it and it is good (enough lost trials ... and the courts will still be visible, Poles achieved participation in the certification of the operator and if the outcome does not suit them, they will run from the court ...) ... Gazprom and its colleagues at Nord Stream 2 AG (Engie, Shell ...) took their position (there are enough lawyers and other specialists there), the Germans did not fight so much to stop the project at the last stages ... and then let it go as it goes ...
          Don't expect Nord Stream 2 certification to be a problem. Because it can be carried out by the state authorities of the Federal Republic of Germany. It does not have to be done by some external certification body. There is no political will on this issue. There is a direct interest here. The fact is that Nord Stream 2, contrary to ideas, is not a state project. In its implementation, not a single euro cent was attracted from any state funds. This is a private project. And since this is a private project, any problems that have arisen through the fault of the federal government will be assessed in a certain amount, for example, as lost profits, and sent to court. And the federal government, regardless of who is the chancellor, will have to pay a certain amount to the shareholders of SP-2. https://inosmi.ru/economic/20210910/250477583.html
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 13 September 2021 18: 40
        +2
        Economic feasibility, against gay European .... "solidarity". Something like this .
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 13 September 2021 18: 56
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          "solidarity"

          And whoever does not agree, we will turn it off .. this has already happened ... then we will fine ...
          The European Commission filed a lawsuit with the EU Court of Justice in Luxembourg, in which it demanded to impose a daily fine on Warsaw until the measures ordered by the European Court of Justice in July of this year are fully implemented, namely, the disciplinary chamber of the Supreme Court is dissolved. European Commissioner for Justice Didier Reynders said that the question could be about 100 thousand euros per day. But this is not the limit. According to the Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita, another 106 billion for Poland from the budget for 2021-2027 may be questionable if the highest court of the European Union recognizes that linking payments with compliance with the standards of the rule of law and basic European values ​​does not contradict EU legal norms. https://rg.ru/2021/09/13/polsha-mozhet-lishitsia-milliardov-iz-biudzheta-evrosoiuza.html
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 September 2021 19: 17
            +4
            Well, yes, always, everywhere there is a "house manager" !!! called differently, that's all the difference.
  3. prior
    prior 13 September 2021 15: 26
    +10
    I remember how by dropping the oil price to $ 10, the West created the preconditions for the collapse of the USSR.
    Oil prices - were they weapons or humanitarian aid?
    The West means oil prices and sanctions, how can you use weapons, but we can't ?!
    So now we have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.
    Yes. Gas prices are weapons, our weapons.
    And it would be foolish not to answer all our European "well-wishers" for their "humanitarian aid" in the form of sanctions, provocations, color revolutions ..... with gas "bombardment" am
    Green energy is a fairy tale about a goldfish.
    In fact, the "goldfish" is our gas. And feed and warm.
    Competently managing supplies and prices is the most important task.
    And do not forget at the same time either "friends" or "brothers" ....
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 13 September 2021 15: 43
      0
      I remember how by dropping the oil price to $ 10, the West created the preconditions for the collapse of the USSR.

      Absolutely, this is exactly what was planned - a shortage of currency, a decline in the economy, and then on an increasing basis - to what they eventually came to.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 16 September 2021 09: 37
        +2
        What is the connection between the currency deficit and the decline of the USSR economy?
        The country produced everything it needed to function independently. Sabotage and refusal to control the moral and political state of citizens, these are the reasons for the destruction of the country. Work, warmth, food, everything was there, the planned economy was not subject to crises.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 16 September 2021 15: 05
          -1
          In general, the currency itself is not fucking needed, we have a ruble, but buy goods or components over the hill, which, alas. we did not always produce or were not ice in quality, here the currency was needed, oh, how much was needed. This is where the creation of a deficit, a queue, and off we go.
          And as for the control of the moral and political state, you said that well, with this you need to go to Eun, he will build you up.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 17 September 2021 11: 36
            +1
            Why build me, I'm always in the ranks. laughing
            What was not there or the quality was not ice could endure. The country, for such trifles, is not destroyed. Difficulties and queues are artificially and skillfully created. Some wanted very much to become the owners of factories - newspapers - steamers. And here Felix Edmundovich or Lavrenty Pavlovich are simply necessary. The reincarnated Andropov did not pull at all.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 17 September 2021 12: 40
              -1
              And here I completely agree with you, the gang of the red-haired, spotted and alcoholic should have been cleaned up to zero. There would be people, although all these are fantasies, but we have what we have, or they have us. recourse
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 17 September 2021 19: 14
                0
                Yes, everything was thin there. The drunk was brought to Moscow on the floor of a Zaporozhets. They caught him already, slipped through. And then someone's tanks were on the bridge, with no one knows whose crews, and we didn't even have an RPG. In general, they won, practically, on points. Everything could have turned differently. And the figure of a Chechen, to many specialists, turned out to be across the soul. Not supported. But where was it to go? Legitimately elected.
  4. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 13 September 2021 15: 34
    0
    So, now there is no direct benefit from the launch of gas through the pipeline for the Russian gas giant. Prices will fall, and the growth in the volume of supplies is unlikely to compensate for this, especially since this growth will become significant not earlier than the beginning of 2022.
    ... So it is not far off, 2022
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 September 2021 15: 39
    0
    Yaroslavna's lament is read. There is nothing more to say about the article.
  6. ximkim
    ximkim 13 September 2021 15: 39
    -1
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Quote: From Tomsk
    Well, the worst sanction for Russia is to keep Ukraine back.

    The existence of which depends entirely on the Russian authorities ... yes

    The worst thing for Gazprom is the new sanctions.
    They say, until you gasify all of Russia, transit will pass through Ukraine laughing
  7. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 13 September 2021 15: 44
    -1
    Do not confuse newspaper and Internet "la-la-poplar" and real warmth in the houses of burghers and cheap raw materials for industry. "Green demagoguery" is one thing, but the real economy and industry are quite another. "Freeze your ears" out of love for Ukraine or Poland, which the European Parliament and the European Commission and other Brussels demagogues call for, who, by and large, are not responsible for anything, no one will. And if someone "from a big mind" tries, from him "from a cold head" they will arrange such an impeachment that will not seem like little.
  8. svoit
    svoit 13 September 2021 15: 53
    -4
    Quote: From Tomsk

    The EU countries themselves have abandoned long-term contracts,

    So at such a price America manages LNG for them, which will not seem like a little, terminals are already ready for a long time in Poland and Lithuania.
    1. max702
      max702 13 September 2021 17: 15
      0
      Now SEA and Latin America sweep all LNG in Asia always 15% more expensive, this is already an axiom.
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 September 2021 16: 22
    -1
    Someone will explain what is happening in Europe. Green energy has bypassed ordinary energy in Europe in kW / hour. Why the hell is gas rushing by leaps and bounds, that the wind has stopped blowing, the sun has gone out over Europe. Who will explain that in those countries where most of all, green energy is the most expensive kW / h for the population. Also Bulgaria, kW / h is one of the cheapest and not any green energy. So they began to buy coal from us in huge quantities for CHP. What is happening. Gas does not fall, or they have something wrong with the energy sector. In terms of reports. Just now, Europe has decided to play Russian roulette. The European Commission will decide to recognize, not recognize Nord Stream 2 AG (the former pipeline builder) as the pipeline operator until January 8, 2022. In winter they will make a decision? If the flow is accepted, then the price will fall to $ 330, trial trades showed this. So we are still in profit.
  10. Vavilov
    Vavilov 13 September 2021 18: 00
    0
    all this nonsense, there is nothing to rejoice in, someone deliberately inflates a bubble in the market, killing two birds with one stone, on the one hand showing which Russia is "bad" and what dependence means, on the other hand it has a profit, although in any case there is a profit., you cannot trade with a neighbor having only income and his expenses, we drive them mainly raw materials, and they give us high value added products, and there was a balance, but now ..? cat tears will pour out of our pockets
  11. Sfurei
    Sfurei 13 September 2021 18: 05
    +7
    Are you guys from the economy fantasizing too much?
    1. ".. And it just seems that everything counts here. Firstly, there are too many initial ones. And you still have to figure out what you want to get at the output ...." - You probably think that in Gazprom no one does anything, but only saw the loot? Are all 450 thousand employees straight? Nobody makes forecasts, does not consider risks, marginality, profit, etc.? How did Gazprom not go around the world with all these costs for flows, etc.?
    2. "... Suppose that the most negative scenario will work - the closure of Nord Stream 2. The first will never be closed by anyone, but they have long been ready to risk being left without a second suicide from among the European ultra-democrats ...." T .e. while it was being built, everyone was running around, waving flags and couldn’t close it, but now, as readers correctly write below comments, when will they take gas at 710-720 dollars and close it? Right now, when the market deficit is unrealistic and every million cubic meters counts?
    You wrote the article a couple of months ago and did not even update it for the current realities ??
    A set of phrases, "speculations" and banal inventions .. I would be ashamed to subscribe to such an article.
  12. ccsr
    ccsr 13 September 2021 18: 56
    +1
    So, now there is no direct benefit from the launch of gas through the pipeline for the Russian gas giant. Prices will fall, and the growth in the volume of supplies is unlikely to compensate for this, especially since this growth will become significant not earlier than the beginning of 2022.

    The authors' dubious conclusion contradicts common sense - the first pumping of any quantity will be evidence to the rest of the world that the pipeline is certified and operational, and this is a huge plus in the image of Gazprom, after all the "forecasts" that the pipeline will not be built.
    Even if prices fall, which of course will happen, but they will not collapse - the authors apparently do not understand this or do not want to take it into account.
    There is hardly anyone at Gazprom, even among top managers, and even Alexey Miller himself (pictured) is really going to put pressure on someone and manipulate someone.

    Why would he put pressure on anyone, if Putin is considered the best manager? But in the world ranking of managers, it will clearly rise a few more steps - not everyone has iron eggs to bend the Europeans and Americans in such a difficult issue, and experts understand this.
  13. dgonni
    dgonni 13 September 2021 20: 26
    -4
    The main question is the certification of the gas pipeline! The initial start-up of gas without this procedure already threatens the operator with a non-acidic fine. Well, further along the way, it will be difficult and long there. Under the second energy package, it has already fallen into. Although it can be solved at the level of Russia. WHILE!
  14. svoit
    svoit 13 September 2021 21: 53
    +4
    Quote: Vavilov
    all this is nonsense, there is nothing to rejoice in, someone deliberately inflates a bubble in the market

    there is no bubble, just a delay in the commissioning of the SP-2 cost a little more than a pretty penny, and under capitalism the consumer always pays, as it is. The SP-2 project is purely economic, so it is necessary to recover the shortage. Only business and nothing personal.
    1. Vavilov
      Vavilov 13 September 2021 22: 16
      -5
      there is no bubble
      that is, the gas price will remain at the same level after the launch of JV 2, is it $ 720 today and will not fall?
  15. svoit
    svoit 13 September 2021 22: 21
    0
    Quote: Vavilov
    i.e. the gas price will remain at the same level

    As soon as they beat off unforeseen expenses, they will try to lower the price, but here a lot depends on the West, all sorts of "Euro packages" are not free, are they? Everything has a price.
    1. Vavilov
      Vavilov 14 September 2021 15: 26
      +1
      what does "try" mean? )) when losses are recaptured laughing , Gaprom himself decided to play these games, reduced the pumping rate, when they began to "squeeze" the pipe, and what did the maneuvers think earlier ??? decided to become monopolists)) fools! entered a foreign field, you will play by their rules, now "try", you need to gasify everything, and not entangle your partners with pipes
  16. Artem76
    Artem76 13 September 2021 22: 35
    +3
    Your logic is strange, dear authors. It turns out that they poured billions into the Nord Streams in order to wave their "image" in the face? Aha, not a weak image in that case! And such a moment is not clear - high gas prices are a temporary phenomenon, but some kind of "Baltic pipe" is supposedly "forever"? Yes, perhaps the comparison is not very correct, and the price really always plays, but how can the Baltic be a “signal” for Gazprom, if everyone knows that Gazprom has gas for centuries, and their sources are running out, and which ones have already been closed?
  17. Valeria Mukharev
    Valeria Mukharev 14 September 2021 00: 41
    +2
    Santa Claus will put everything in its place.
  18. awdrgy
    awdrgy 14 September 2021 09: 01
    +1
    Nada cut this pipe and the rest too. Cut everything off. Don't give them gas! The gas is not endless - by itself nada! People's goods, a strategic non-renewable resource to sell is sabotage. The best people in Russia were given free of charge than some Europeans to warm up. What the hell are they for? Freezing not freezing - we are ...
  19. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 14 September 2021 09: 52
    +3
    I don't see any problems with Ukraine. None at all. At all. Instead of all the political games in which our country for some reason got involved, you should just go to the only correct position - buy gas on our border. And do whatever you want with it! If you want to feed Ukraine, pay it. Or don't pay, it's up to you. Why did the angel get involved in a confrontation in this matter ?!
  20. vergunovalexandr
    vergunovalexandr 14 September 2021 10: 21
    -3
    And what to be happy about? Another branch of pumping resources out of the country. The people from this are like a crow a pea. The olgarhs will make money, that's all.
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 September 2021 10: 28
    +2
    The main logistics factors for Gazprom across Europe have been achieved:
    1. Bypassing Ukraine is to minimize transit blackmail.
    2. There are trump cards for bargaining with Poland and Ukraine, if additional volumes of GAS are needed for Europe
    3. There are relations and business with the Turks, you can build up South Stream.
    4. There is a project with China - an alternative buyer of GAZ from Europe.
    5. There are (will be) two giant chemical plants in the East and Ust-Luga in which the raw materials are exported gas.
    Everything else is a matter for the state and Gazprom: taxes, dividends, etc. how and where is it spent