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Emergency measures: the death penalty for pedophiles

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Do you agree to return the death penalty for pedophiles?

Yes, I agree - 300 (69.28%)
69.28%
Yes, but only cases aggravated by the murder of a child - 61 (14.09%)
14.09%
No, life imprisonment is quite enough - 53 (12.24%)
12.24%
Other, in the comments - 19 (4.39%)
4.39%

Source: e1.ru Photo: Maxim Serkov / NGS42.RU, Baza / Telegram.org


A moratorium that shouldn't be


The death penalty in Russia, we recall, has not been completely abolished.

Since 1997, a moratorium has been introduced on the killing of especially cruel criminals. The state decided to do this in the hope of the favorable attitude of the European Union.

In the so-called Protocol No. 6 of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, it is written in black and white

“The death penalty is abolished. No one can be sentenced to death or executed. "

Russia, by the way, signed the protocol but did not ratify it, which is why the return of the death penalty is quite possible.

This punishment has not disappeared from the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, but so far it has only been placed under a moratorium.

Russia of the 90s, on the one hand, can be understood - dependence on the West was outstanding (remember humanitarian aid and salary loans from the IMF), and it was required to prove your loyalty. The introduction of a moratorium on the death penalty turned out to be a relatively harmless method.

Do not discount the not-so-perfect methods of forensic examination. Despite the fact that in the USSR DNA research in law enforcement agencies was organized back in 1988, the effectiveness and efficiency left much to be desired. Twenty or thirty years ago, in most cases it was possible to identify the killer only by fingerprints and blood type.

Now the forensic service of the Russian Federation on the most modern equipment and quite promptly conducts DNA analysis of biological material. On average, about 100 thousand samples pass through the hands of analysts of the Ministry of Internal Affairs per year. The accuracy of such examinations is 99,9%, that is, it is possible to make a mistake with the identity of the criminal in one case out of a thousand.

Thus, the moratorium has exclusively political and humanitarian significance.

In the meantime stories the last months make you shudder.

In Tyumen, eight-year-old Nastya Muravyova was brutally raped, killed and dismembered - this became a tragedy not only for the region, but for the entire country.

A little more than a month passed, and in the Kemerovo region, a pedophile killed two girls. Here, in contrast to the Tyumen story, everything went much faster - the suspect Viktor Pesternikov was arrested the next day. And if the accused of the brutal murder of Muravyova was outwardly quite a decent citizen, then the Kuzbass pedophile was convicted of a crime against the sexual inviolability of children.

Such terrible relapses in pedophile geeks occur quite regularly.

In the aforementioned Tyumen region, a primary school girl was raped three years ago, fortunately, she survived. It happened on January 8, 2018, but the pedophile was found only by the middle of summer.

Everyone was at a loss as to where a criminal might hide in a provincial town?

It turned out that the violence was committed by a 54-year-old repeat offender who was released three weeks before the crime.

Can you guess what he was convicted of?

That's right, for rape.

In total, the offender spent 23 years in prison, but none of the investigators had the idea to take a DNA test from the recently released rapist in hot pursuit. For this, it was necessary to check the biomaterials of 3 thousand men almost throughout the region.

And in the story with the Kemerovo pedophile, the negligence scenario is similar - Viktor Pesternikov, after a ten-year term, repeatedly violated the regime, and then changed his place of residence. And he disappeared from law enforcement radars until he raped and killed two ten-year-old girls.

If the police are not able to protect children from pedophiles-recidivists, then maybe they should not be released at all, and in the most severe cases, even take their lives?

Popular cry


There is no point in explaining that the people have long approved a radical solution to the issue of subhumans who encroached on child immunity.

The quintessence was the recent murder of a pedophile in the Samara region.

The verdict to the monster was passed by the father of a 9-year-old girl, who was abused by a pervert. With all the legal disproportionality of the punishment for the crime, few people will come to the defense of the murdered Oleg Sviridov, who carefully documented sexual acts with children on his own mobile phone.

If we take the modern Criminal Code, a pedophile would sit for 10-15 years and, in the end, would be released. And what gets out of prison after such a grave article - we very clearly see the example of Viktor Pesternikov.

Can we say that the father of a raped young girl in the Samara region did not just save a child (and more than one) in the future?

And is he worthy of a real sentence?

The questions are rather rhetorical.

After the resonant tragedy in the Kemerovo region, many of the opinion leaders and decision makers started talking about the return of the death penalty.

For the abolition of the openly pro-European moratorium, the chairman of the "Strong Russia" movement, retired FSB major general Alexander Mikhailov, spoke out. We agree to return the highest measure to the Commissioner for the Rights of the Child of the Chelyabinsk Region, Evgenia Mayorova, and the first deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on State Building and Legislation, Mikhail Emelyanov.

But there are public figures and opponents of the destruction of pedophiles.

Thus, sociologist Kirill Titayev said in an interview with Gazeta that the effectiveness of the death penalty for pedophiles is questionable.

What are the arguments of the defenders of such a liberal point of view?

There are reasons, but they are surprisingly easily broken by common sense.

The first is a possible error of the investigation. As an example, they cite the execution of Alexander Kravchenko in 1979 for a crime that he did not commit. At that time, they hunted for Chikatilo and, due to the lack of professionalism, the investigation convicted an innocent.

But Kravchenko was far from white and fluffy - nine years earlier, he brutally raped and killed a 10-year-old girl. He did not receive the highest measure only because of his minority.

Was this execution a mistake or did Kravchenko still get a real punishment?

Another rhetorical question.

We would like to remind defenders of the moratorium on the death penalty that over the past decades, the accuracy of identification has come very close to absolute. So much so that common sense allows you to neglect a possible mistake.

It is believed that the threat of the death penalty will lead to corruption.

But what kind of pedophiles do we see on the screen - desperate marginals, alcoholics and drug addicts, for the most part living at the very bottom of society. With all due respect to the opinions of others, where did such resources for corruption come from? What can they pay to frame an innocent person?

By the way, while in our country there is an environment for such marginalization of individuals or simply a deep social bottom, it is very early for us to impose a moratorium on the death penalty.

The argument, at first glance, looks like the unbearable conditions of detention in colonies for life-sentenced prisoners.

But, firstly, the pedophile still has hope for release until the end of his days. Not the most correct example, but it is also indicative - the Taliban, banned in Russia, emptied the country's prisons in the very first days.

Secondly, a pedophile serial killer can always provide himself with a "vacation." For example, to harbor a couple of murders and "remember" them after several years of imprisonment. And here a real vacation will begin for a life prisoner with stages, investigative experiments and other bonuses. Some kind of entertainment at public expense.

In extreme cases, additional aggravating circumstances can be invented out of prison boredom.

And, finally, the last argument of the defenders of the moratorium is that the threat of capital punishment will not stop the perverted murderers.

Perhaps it will not stop the very sick. But, let's imagine if the person accused of the brutal murder of Nastya Muravyova was threatened with a real hanging, and this would be told on federal channels, would this make the Kemerovo pedophile stop?

One gets the impression that Pesternikov, in general, surrendered himself, as if he was preparing to return to prison in this way. He perfectly understood the impossibility of his own death for this - he would rather be lynched on the street than be given justice in prison.

And the last thing - if Pesternikov had been sentenced to death or at least life imprisonment for the first rape of a minor, then at least these two girls from Kemerovo would have survived ...

However, the defenders of the "humane" moratorium can hardly be convinced with such arguments.
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  1. Scipio
    Scipio 10 September 2021 05: 09
    +25
    Such bastards don't deserve to live, and neither do an easy death. Not a sadist, but they must suffer before they die .....
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 10 September 2021 05: 16
      +24
      It is enough to destroy the creature. The guilt is proven, there is no doubt - the creature must be destroyed!
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 05: 49
        +46
        The moratorium on the death penalty allows this evil spirits to live, we will keep them in human conditions from our taxes ... they will be fed, clothed, treated, heated ... and this is all at our expense.
        This is unfair in principle, life-sentenced prisoners must fight for their lives in hard labor, earning food with a pick and a sledgehammer.
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 10 September 2021 06: 58
          +34
          In total, the offender spent 23 years in prison, but none of the investigators had the idea to take a DNA test from the recently released rapist in hot pursuit.

          I am definitely for the death penalty for pedophiles and serial killers, you can still add embezzlers there. But ... but. With such an investigative apparatus and a cane system, it becomes somewhat hesitant for 100% of the guilt of the accused
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 10 September 2021 07: 33
            +26
            Quote: Mitroha
            But ... but. With such an investigative apparatus and a cane system, it becomes somewhat hesitant for 100% of the guilt of the accused

            The same pedophiles are cases under investigation by the Investigative Committee of Russia. Investigators from the territorial departments of the Investigative Committee of Russia are leaving en masse, there are few who want to live around the clock at work and seven days a week for 50-60 thousand rubles a month. In the city departments of SUSK, half are uncertified young people with six months' experience and "old people" with two and three years of work. What mentoring, who will teach them to investigate cases if people are running. And they put the bolt on the length of service at 2 years. Those personnel who remain trying to work for themselves and others are not talking about quality.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 10 September 2021 07: 59
              -9
              I am against the death penalty in Russia at this stage.

              Since more and more brutal measures are being used against the opposition and those who threw a plastic cup at the National Guard. It will be tempting to execute them in the first place.

              Do you doubt it will come to this? I beg of you!
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 10 September 2021 08: 07
                +4
                Quote: Stas157
                I am against the death penalty in Russia at this stage.

                We still have the same trial.
                The FSB catches the bandits, and the court releases them ... The man beat the pedafil, and the court he is 8 years old ... At the uranium mines, at least some benefit will not be there.

                measures are applied against the opposition and those who threw a plastic cup at the National Guard.

                And this is a "test of the pen". If the authorities are shy, it means that the next time you can launch a "Molotov cocktail" and then it will not matter whether it shuts down or not - there will be no power, and together with it the state.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 10 September 2021 08: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Boris55
                  We still have the same trial.

                  Especially the worst one is Basmanny.
                  1. dorz
                    dorz 10 September 2021 10: 52
                    +5
                    Peskov said that the administration is not considering the initiative to lift the moratorium on the death penalty for pedophiles. He told this to reporters 3 days ago. Everything. We disperse.

                    Source: https://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2021/09/07/n_16494530.shtml
                    1. lelik613
                      lelik613 11 September 2021 20: 27
                      +1
                      Socially close. Lay the straws.
                  2. Revival
                    Revival 10 September 2021 11: 19
                    +1
                    At this stage, it is inexpedient to introduce the death penalty, it can turn out like with golunov, here's a "laboratory" for you, here's a complete list of "proofs" ...
                    1. fyvaprold
                      fyvaprold 10 September 2021 11: 49
                      +6
                      Quote: Revival
                      At this stage, the death penalty is inappropriate, it can turn out like with golunov, here's a "laboratory" here's a complete list of "proofs"...

                      And what did you so modestly keep silent about: -
                      ".... here's the withdrawal of charges, here's the prosecution of those guilty of falsifying evidence, here's the resignation of the leadership ..."
                      You just forgot about these facts, which are at odds with your statements? Isn't it true?
                      PS: Just do not need tales that Golunov was released under pressure from the "protesting people"; these "protests" did not help Lyokha Nedozoraleniy.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 10 September 2021 16: 23
                        -2
                        These are well-known facts.
                        I gave it as an example as the most famous example.
                        There are more examples of this, I'm just talking about it.
                        The fact that 99% if someone is accused, then the court will say so.
                        And that if necessary, then the evidence will be
                2. out of habit
                  out of habit 10 September 2021 08: 47
                  +6
                  At uranium mines, at least some kind of benefit will and will not be worth it.

                  Who will let them go there?
                  People work there for a lot of money.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 10 September 2021 08: 48
                    +3
                    Quote: out of habit
                    People work there for a lot of money.

                    There people work with all safety precautions, and with this - a pick, a shovel and a trolley, so that they would go out from there and shine like Ilyich's lamp in the night.

                    ps
                    In, someone put a minus. belay
                    In my opinion, among us, someone "from those" has worried about, pity their own. laughing
                3. Essex62
                  Essex62 10 September 2021 10: 49
                  +2
                  No mines, inhumans should not live.
                  Power and the state will be in any case. The question is what kind of power and what state. In 1917, gentlemen, with your worldview, reasoned in exactly the same way.
                4. Revival
                  Revival 10 September 2021 11: 16
                  +13
                  Then, with this approach, for any violation of the law by the National Guard should also be severely punished, shouldn't it, and not "it got sweaty" and so on.
                  And then somehow responsibility is in one gate
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 10 September 2021 14: 27
                    +5
                    Quote: Revival
                    for any violation of the law by the National Guard, too, there should be a harsh punishment, shouldn't it, and not "it got sweaty" and so on.
                    And then somehow responsibility is in one gate

                    And in general mode ... yes
                5. l7yzo
                  l7yzo 10 September 2021 21: 32
                  0
                  As far as I remember, the history of Russia goes back thousands of years. I think she's seen worse times)
              2. El Chuvachino
                El Chuvachino 10 September 2021 10: 39
                -4
                Who is about what, and Stasik again cares about his oppositional skin.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 10 September 2021 13: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: El Chuvachino
                  Who is talking about what, and Stasik again about my the opposition's skin bothers.

                  Why about my? And why again, dude?

                  Have you moved away from resentment since last time when we discussed the origins of the jargon "dude"? Admit it!))

                  In any case, you have nothing to fear - EdRo will take care of the Kremlin bots. True, sometimes the wind of change comes, like at 17. And then you will not envy the dudes-guards!
                  1. El Chuvachino
                    El Chuvachino 10 September 2021 13: 47
                    -5
                    Why did you jump on the spot, Stasik? We sort of figured out last time that this is your origin - a fake. Why should I be offended by this?

                    Quote: Stas157
                    True, sometimes the wind of change comes, like at 17.

                    Blessed is he who believes request

                    Quote: Stas157
                    Why about your own? And why again, dude?

                    And you use your brain, but think. Maybe because every time you drag your politotness neither to the village nor to the city?
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 10 September 2021 13: 53
                      0
                      Quote: El Chuvachino
                      Why are you jumping on the spot, Stasik?

                      Are you hallucinating?

                      Quote: El Chuvachino
                      We are like we figured it out last time

                      So apparently not to the end. Hike grievances remained! Otherwise, why did you suddenly become rude? Really out of the blue!))
                      1. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 10 September 2021 13: 58
                        -4
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Are you hallucinating?

                        Figure of speech. Succeeded, judging by the reaction laughing
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Otherwise, why did you suddenly become rude? Really out of the blue?))

                        So I always say as it is, otherwise there is no sense. Don't flatter yourself, cup thrower))
                      2. Stas157
                        Stas157 10 September 2021 14: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        This is how I always say as it is

                        As it is can be said in different forms and not necessarily boorish. But it looks like your goal was just to get nasty ... well, what else can you expect from a dude with such a drive!

                        It's really interesting: why do people take humiliating nicknames as nicknames? A? Someone forces something?))
                      3. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 10 September 2021 15: 16
                        0
                        Since the nickname of a character from one world-famous film hurts you so much and does not let go, I still ask: why did you get angry and began your attempts to be rude? wink Stasik, wash your eyes - you have a log in them. laughing

                        Quote: Stas157
                        As it is, you can say in different forms and not necessarily boorish.

                        It's funny when Hamlo asks him not to be rude wassat
                      4. Stas157
                        Stas157 10 September 2021 19: 45
                        -3
                        Dude, you seem to have completely lost touch with reality. Why are you making this up:

                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        Since you are so strong hurts and does not let go of the nickname

                        This is how your fucking klikuha should me hurt? After all, you are not even my relative!

                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        hamlo asks he shouldn't be rude

                        Well, you have hamlo in your mirror, but that's not the point. Where are you at me requestsaw what? Dude!

                        Why is it that pins you so badly? Who do you think you are, dude, to ask you for something?))
                      5. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 10 September 2021 21: 22
                        -1
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Is that how your freakin 'klikuha should touch me?

                        If it didn’t hurt, you wouldn’t be repeating the same thing, at least invented something new laughing

                        Quote: Stas157
                        to ask you

                        This is the only thing that you can do
      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 10 September 2021 10: 59
        +10
        Since more and more brutal measures are being used against the opposition and those who threw a plastic cup at the National Guard. It will be tempting to execute them in the first place.
        The "terrible" country was the USSR. There militiamen walked the streets without weapons. And the showcase windows were at the police stations. Now they are more like checkpoints.
        But seriously - what time is it, such are the measures. Today he threw a plastic cup at a police officer, checked his reaction (and you can put a lot of things in a cup). No reaction - tomorrow the grenade will fly. That's the whole story. Can you guarantee that this was not a deliberate provocation? Do not give. Any nasty thing can and should be expected from the "defenders of freedom". And "stick measures" appeared from scratch?
        For me, "stick measures" are better than walking with your family, getting caught in an explosion or shooting from LGBT defenders and fighters "against everything bad."
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 12: 20
          +2
          You also don’t make the USSR perfect, white and fluffy, please!
          Let me give you an example from the past: the mid-1970s, the Ukrainian SSR, the city of Poltava, the air town number 38, the "long-range" air division (by the way, the division commander, by the way, was known to everyone P. Deinekin around those years). And then one day in the attic of house No. 1 a group of teenagers from our a / town and from the neighboring area had sex, in today's language, with a girl, the daughter of one of our aviators. Whether they were drunk or not, I won't say, but that's not the point. The bottom line is different - a couple of days later the girl told her parents and the drunken fuck was qualified by local cops as "rape by a minor group of persons with aggravating circumstances." And one more thing - in this group there was a guy by the name of Flegants. He didn't rape the girl. He was just there in that attic at that moment. Without much understanding, they condemned him too. They were all given the same for 7-8 years. Fleecents served his time, then he got to adults for something on trifles, again a term and so on the zone in the late 1990s and died.
          This is how an absolutely innocent and good guy (both as a student and as our neighbor) got in and his life was rechecked by not particularly attentive investigators and cops.
          So, anything happens in this life. And there is no need to renounce "sumy to prison"!
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 10 September 2021 12: 31
            +7
            You also don’t make the USSR perfect, white and fluffy, please!
            It seemed to you that I was idealizing the USSR. There were all kinds of things, but on such a scale and not so cynical. And now it's the norm - there is money - crush the pedestrians - you will pay off. So, for example.
            1. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 12 September 2021 18: 11
              +1
              So in fact the Ideology is different .... monetary !.
          2. Mitroha
            Mitroha 10 September 2021 16: 58
            +2
            And one more thing - in this group there was a guy by the name of Flegants. He didn't rape the girl. He was just there in that attic at that moment. Without much understanding, they condemned him too. They were all given the same for 7-8 years. Fleecents served time, then he got to adults for something else for little things, again a term and so on the zone in the late 1990s and died

            And "moyahataskrai" always gets "nizachto". That is, he sat and watched how everyone was fucking the girl, but he was not to blame. It turns out interesting.
          3. Essex62
            Essex62 10 September 2021 20: 54
            +6
            It was he who told that he was standing next to the girl ...? Or, from her drunken eyes, she could not see whether he climbed on or not? He had to run from the attic if he wasn’t going to participate. And the girl who dashed off to declare that everyone was accepted? How did the rape case come about? Usually such cases were carefully dealt with. All the more so collective. People, in the People's Court, not indifferent to the fate of the boys were present. People's meetings. There was no material difference or related bias in objectivity. Mistakes and negligence were not excluded, but the Soviet court did not suffer from cruelty.
            1. Denis812
              Denis812 11 September 2021 20: 58
              +1
              Come on, come on. The dude was sitting because the guys were fucking a woman, he didn't want to seem like a sucker, that's why he was sitting, and the fact that he himself did not participate - most likely stupidly could not, because in this situation he could hardly say "come on, guys, I won't."
              Loch. That's why I got under the distribution.
              And during interrogation I could not excuse myself
              And the woman put it right.
              I sat there and did nothing.
              Dead - there is a road for him.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 11 September 2021 22: 13
                +2
                And here is the question. She gave it herself, and then decided to snitch? If there were no traces of violence recorded, no one would be condemned. The USSR is not a modern state, where men are afraid to enter the elevator with their colleagues.
                We had a similar case in our yard, at 78. The family had to leave, the same one - the same scoundrel that slandered the boy.
          4. Ivanchester
            Ivanchester 14 September 2021 23: 17
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
            drunken fuck was qualified by local cops as "aggravated rape by a minor group"

            You did not indicate how old the girl was. If less than 16, then what happened fits well into the corresponding corpus delicti provided for by the Criminal Code.

            Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
            in this group there was a boy named Flegantov. He didn't rape the girl. He was just there in that attic at that moment

            To know about a crime and not report it is to participate, this is also provided for by the Code.
            1. Denis812
              Denis812 17 September 2021 19: 18
              0
              Do not invent.
              For failure to report rape, the Code of the Russian Federation will not send you to the zone.
              And the code of the RSFSR also did NOT send for this to the zone. Only failure to report any terrorist attacks, banditry and other anti-Soviet things was punished.
              And for the fact that the person was sitting next to him while his friends had a chick - for this he could not be sent to the zone in any way.
              So he sat down for COMPLIANCE in a group breaking into a shaggy safe.
              1. Ivanchester
                Ivanchester 20 September 2021 09: 43
                0
                Quote: Denis812
                For failure to report rape, the Code of the Russian Federation will not send you to the zone.

                RF Criminal Code Article 205.6. Failure to report a crime.
                There are no restrictions in this article that you are writing about. Didn't report the crime - he became a criminal himself.
              2. Denis812
                Denis812 23 September 2021 21: 09
                +1
                We were sort of discussing a case from the USSR. :)
                Well, if you really want to discuss the current situation, then for failure to report the rape, no one will be sent to the zone either.
                Read carefully the article you specified.
                It is impossible to misunderstand about terrorist attacks and the like.
                "205, 205.1, 205.2, 205.3, 205.4, 205.5, 206, 208, 211, 220, 221, 277, 278, 279, 360 and 361"
                And all sorts of rape or massacre there - this is not included in this article at all
              3. Ivanchester
                Ivanchester 24 September 2021 08: 43
                0
                You are right and I was wrong hi
              4. Denis812
                Denis812 Yesterday, 18: 23
                0
                It's okay, Ivan.
                Thank you for your answer and discussion!
                It is interesting to chat with a good conversationalist.
  • fyvaprold
    fyvaprold 10 September 2021 11: 28
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    Since more and more brutal measures are being used against the opposition and those who threw a plastic cup at the National Guard.

    First a glass, then into a fight with riot police, and then the man's eye was knocked out. The trend is however. So they do everything right.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 10 September 2021 12: 08
    +10
    I am against the death penalty in Russia at this stage.

    If the death penalty is to be introduced in Russia, then it is certainly not necessary to start using it with pedophiles .. And other worthy candidates are above the roof - you will get tired of shooting.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 10 September 2021 14: 35
      +3
      Quote: paul3390
      And other worthy candidates are above the roof - you will get tired of shooting.

      Let's dwell on pedophiles, embezzlers (on an especially large scale), corrupt officials, murderers exposed by the authorities or state powers, terrorists ...
      For others, it's time not to build prisons, but high-security waste processing plants. Let the women sew slippers ...
      1. Alexander Lysenko
        Alexander Lysenko 15 September 2021 18: 27
        0
        Women are more violent. But not with children, of course.
    2. FIR FIR
      FIR FIR 10 September 2021 18: 11
      -2
      Quote: paul3390
      If the death penalty is to be introduced in Russia, then its application should certainly not be started with pedophiles.

      Do you have children?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 10 September 2021 21: 30
        +2
        Even grandchildren. But you see - the tops will shit for life and permanently. And all of them.
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 10 September 2021 19: 20
    -1
    Since more and more brutal measures are being used against the opposition and those who threw a plastic cup at the National Guard.

    Exactly, as if the entire opposition is in our prison for life. wink
  • Oleg Samsonov
    Oleg Samsonov 12 September 2021 05: 07
    0
    And don't throw anything at the representative of the authorities, and you will be happy! And if you want to express disagreement, there is a certain procedure to legally appeal against the actions of the authorities!
  • raw174
    raw174 10 September 2021 11: 52
    +5
    100% true ... The same story with the police, today in a more or less large city there is an opera or a district police officer with 10 years of service in the daytime with fire ... You can blame the organs as much as you like, but today there are simply no professionals there and take them no where.
    And on the topic, on TV we are shown the most egregious cases, and in the life of a pedophilophile and other sex offenders, many times more.
    I am definitely in favor of the death penalty, and as for the errors of the investigation and the court, it is impossible to exclude them, because people are working everywhere ...
    1. Denis812
      Denis812 11 September 2021 21: 01
      0
      because the salary is not paid.
      I left the mentura because the choice was simple: take bribes or blame.
      As an intelligent person, I realized that if you take bribes, you will still be caught. I'm not a boy. Not taking is not an option.
      So well, you tries our respected state. You yourself somehow.
  • V means B
    V means B 11 September 2021 10: 04
    +1
    "There are few who want to live around the clock at work and seven days a week for 50-60 thousand rubles a month."
    1. your1970
      your1970 13 September 2021 08: 28
      0
      There are 9 vacancies in our ROVD (3 officers), including 2 in the traffic police belay
      The vacancies are absolutely real (the nephew is now getting a job in the escort)
      Trainees private 14, then 000 ...
  • Artyom Karagodin
    Artyom Karagodin 10 September 2021 09: 42
    +10
    At first I voted for life in the poll. Largely because of those executions of people who were caught instead of Chikatilo. I lost sight of the fact that it is now much easier to establish the identity of maniacs now than in the 90s. Thanks to the author for reminding me. It is a pity that you cannot "re-vote".

    But if you think more deeply, I think that, in general, all sorts of bastards should stay alive, so that society does not forget that they are its offspring, an indication of the sores of this very society. Even such a mirror is sometimes useful to look at.

    However, there are crimes that are not even beyond the line of good and evil, but even further. Pedophilia and terrorism fall into this category. Therefore, yes, the moratorium should be lifted for these categories.

    And here you need to add all those who create and promote "death groups" (all kinds of "blue whales" and other devilry), as well as drug trafficking. Here we are also talking about massacres, including of children, that is, about the same terrorism. For this, you need to put it against the wall.
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 10 September 2021 10: 41
      0
      Quote: Artyom Karagodin
      so that society does not forget that they are its offspring, an indication of the sores of this very society. Even such a mirror is sometimes useful to look at.

      Looking at your shoals is the last thing society loves to do. Everyone is busy with TV and tiktok.
      1. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 10 September 2021 11: 31
        +2
        Quote: El Chuvachino
        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
        so that society does not forget that they are its offspring, an indication of the sores of this very society. Even such a mirror is sometimes useful to look at.

        Looking at your shoals is the last thing society loves to do. Everybody's busy with tv and tiktok.

        If everyone in your environment is busy with Tik-Tok and TV, my advice is to change your surroundings. My social circle is working people, they have no time to "tick-tock". So there is no need for generalizations.
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 10 September 2021 10: 53
      +6
      Terrorism is a very vague concept, in power. And this blurry is enshrined in law.
      1. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 10 September 2021 11: 35
        0
        Quote: Essex62
        Terrorism is a very vague concept, in power. And this blurry is enshrined in law.

        Truth? In my opinion, everything is extremely specific:

        "The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "of 13.06.1996 N 63-FZ (as amended on 01.07.2021) (as amended and supplemented, entered into force on 22.08.2021)
        CC RF 205 Article. Act of terrorism
        (in the edition of the Federal Law from 27.07.2006 N 153-FZ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)

        1. The commission of an explosion, arson, or other actions that frighten the population and create the risk of death, significant property damage or other serious consequences, in order to destabilize the activities of authorities or international organizations or influence their decision-making, as well as the threat of these actions in order to influence decision-making by authorities or international organizations -
        (in the edition of Federal Laws from 05.05.2014 N 130-ФЗ, from 31.12.2017 N 501-ФЗ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)
        Shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of ten to fifteen years.
        (in the edition of Federal Laws from 27.12.2009 N 377-FZ, from 09.12.2010 N 352-ФЗ, from 06.07.2016 N 375-ФЗ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)
        (part one as amended by the Federal Law of 27.07.2006 N 153-FZ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)
        2. The same actions:
        a) committed by a group of persons in a preliminary conspiracy or by an organized group;
        b) caused by negligence the death of a person;
        c) entailing the infliction of significant property damage or the onset of other grave consequences, -
        shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of twelve to twenty years with restraint of liberty for a term of one to two years.
        (in the edition of Federal Laws from 27.12.2009 N 377-ФЗ, from 06.07.2016 N 375-ФЗ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)
        (part two in the redaction of the Federal Law from 30.12.2008 N 321-FZ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)
        3. Acts stipulated in parts one or two of this article, if they:
        a) are associated with encroachment on nuclear facilities or with the use of nuclear materials, radioactive substances or sources of radioactive radiation or poisonous, poisonous, toxic, hazardous chemical or biological substances;
        b) entailed the deliberate infliction of death on a person, -
        shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of fifteen to twenty years, with restraint of liberty for a term of one to two years, or life imprisonment.
        (in the edition of the Federal Law from 27.12.2009 N 377-FZ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)
        (part three as amended by the Federal Law from 30.12.2008 N 321-FZ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)
        Note. A person who participated in the preparation of a terrorist act shall be released from criminal liability if he, by timely warning of the authorities or in any other way, contributed to the prevention of the terrorist act and if the actions of this person do not contain any other corpus delicti.
        (in the edition of the Federal Law from 30.12.2008 N 321-FZ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 10 September 2021 11: 48
          +4
          Exactly. Explosion and arson in a bunch with "influence on the decisions made" by the authorities, and even international organizations.
    3. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 12: 41
      +3
      Why do you put economic crimes aside? In the USSR, they also put up to the wall for this. Do you agree?
      1. Artyom Karagodin
        Artyom Karagodin 10 September 2021 12: 52
        +4
        No, I don’t agree. Landings with confiscation of property (while maintaining a social minimum) and a ban on holding leadership positions will be enough. Moreover, neither China nor the USSR defeated corruption by executions. One of the reasons for the collapse of the Union was just corruption.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 10 September 2021 20: 18
          0
          Quote: Artyom Karagodin
          One of the reasons for the collapse of the Union was just corruption.

          This reason was far from the main one. Although yes, one of the.
        2. Essex62
          Essex62 10 September 2021 21: 09
          0
          As soon as they stopped physically cleaning out corrupt officials and thieves, it collapsed. Precisely, that is the main one. This is fertile ground for dissent.
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 10 September 2021 10: 11
    +2
    somewhat uncertainly becomes for 100% the guilt of the accused
    such crimes in most cases are disclosed in hot pursuit + they are committed by "people", to put it mildly, very low intelligence (and they burn on cameras and shoot themselves on video) so that the% of judicial errors is minimized
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 12: 47
      0
      Hmm, and let you be innocent in these same percentages, and, serving life, think to death - well, why me and it was me? ... After all, I'm innocent! ... And that's all. We'll have to die here. Life is over.
      1. Alexander Lysenko
        Alexander Lysenko 15 September 2021 18: 30
        0
        Read the article at least ... Analysis of DNA 99,9.
  • forester1971
    forester1971 10 September 2021 14: 41
    0
    I am in favor of the death penalty for nonhumans who have infringed on the life and health of children, and for insurance against investigative or judicial errors, you can introduce a deferral of execution.
  • Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 12 September 2021 18: 09
    0
    THIS is the strongest side against execution. Whether to execute an innocent person or not to execute a guilty person, is there any difference? Even some! There used to be mistakes. And now.
  • Alexander Lysenko
    Alexander Lysenko 15 September 2021 18: 20
    0
    In such cases, even the most corrupt police officer works well, and bribes and sticks will not help. After the murder of a cop, the American police do not make any deals with the crime. It is necessary to find and punish, because he may be next.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 10 September 2021 07: 07
    +6
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    The moratorium on the death penalty allows this evil spirits to live, we will keep them in human conditions from our taxes ... they will be fed, clothed, treated, heated ... and this is all at our expense.

    I absolutely agree.
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    check.
    This is unfair in principle, life-sentenced prisoners must fight for their lives in hard labor, earning food with a pick and a sledgehammer.

    Now there are practically no jobs for convicts in prisons, which is very strange in my opinion. Overalls in stores cost a lot, the same furniture, unpretentious electrical appliances and shoe making ...

    Thus, the moratorium has exclusively political and humanitarian significance.

    "Humanitarian" meaning? A pretty word chosen for those who have long lost their human appearance ...
    How long will the Great and Independent Russia want to appear “its own” in the club of Western non-partners, and isn't the price of these flirting with “political bull terriers” too high?
  • gohomeyanki
    gohomeyanki 10 September 2021 08: 21
    +3
    Why so ... a pick and a sledgehammer ... there are now more effective means for this.

    But to conduct experiments or test medicines, it would be useful to society.
  • codetalker
    codetalker 10 September 2021 15: 51
    +1
    You are missing one obvious thing. Nowadays pedophiles often manage to escape responsibility. And those who protect children from pedophiles get the most. Why did you decide that the death penalty will be applied to the former, but not to the latter? Emotions should not be allowed here ...
    There are questions for our law enforcement and judicial systems. All these harsh sentences for obvious self-defense. Or situations when courts become an instrument in the struggle of one business against another.
    Is this system being offered the right to execute?
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 10 September 2021 19: 14
    0
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    A moratorium on the death penalty allows this evil spirits to live

    Pedophilia must be eradicated with a red-hot iron EXTREMELY HARD, up to live broadcasts of the execution!
    And now let me remind you that all laws mitigating punishment for pedophilia were adopted by the current government.
    Also, the current government introduced the receipt of passports from the age of 14, thereby introducing another loophole for pedophiles to evade responsibility.
    I would also like to note how the "achievement" of the modern Russian Federation is one of the leading places in the world in child sex tourism.
    All these laws and indulgences are lobbied by representatives of "rear-wheel drive" in power structures.
    1. Parabelum
      Parabelum 13 September 2021 06: 35
      +2
      I would also like to note how the "achievement" of the modern Russian Federation is one of the leading places in the world in child sex tourism.
      Where does this information come from? You can source. Here a completely different thing is stated (https://archive.crin.org/ru/biblioteka/arhiv-novostyey/ukraina-lider-v-evrope-po-detskomu-seks-turizmu.html) The report itself was removed from the organization's website (https : //ecpat.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/Global_Monitoring_Report-UKRAINE_rus.pdf)
      An international human rights organization is sounding the alarm, but some Ukrainian experts do not stop talking about the benefits of legalizing prostitution in the country Portugal, Moldova and Ukraine have turned into new destinations for child sex tourism in Europe. About this, as reported by Reuters, said in a study of the global network of organizations ECPAT, working to eliminate child prostitution, child pornography and the sale of children for sexual purposes.
    2. Ivanchester
      Ivanchester 14 September 2021 23: 23
      0
      Quote: Stroporez
      Also, the current government introduced the receipt of passports from the age of 14, thereby introducing another loophole for pedophiles to evade responsibility.


      And what is the essence of the "loophole"?
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 15 September 2021 10: 28
        0
        Quote: Ivanchester

        And what is the essence of the "loophole"?

        The fact that now it is possible to "cohabit" with a child, but not be held responsible for lecherous actions !!!
        Lobbying for such laws is gomosyatina chipped by kakos from the "upper floors" !!!
        1. Ivanchester
          Ivanchester 15 September 2021 20: 24
          0
          Quote: Stroporez
          now you can actually "cohabit" with a child, but not be held responsible for lecherous actions !!!

          You, as time will be, look through the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - you will see that reality has little to do with your point of view on this issue.
          Or do you write exclusively for the hype?
  • g1v2
    g1v2 10 September 2021 22: 49
    +1
    Here I agree. Maniacs, murderers of children and mass murderers should, in my opinion, be sentenced to the highest measure of social justice. And the rest of those who committed grave crimes - to hard labor. Let their content work out with hard work. The rest of the prisoners were sent to forced labor. Over there we still don't have a normal auto or railway road to Chukotka and Kamchatka. And the terms of its construction are calculated for more than 10 years. Extra hands obviously do not hurt. Again, the northern latitudinal passage needs to be completed. There is a lot to build in the Arctic. It is clear that many jobs require specialists, but many low-skilled work of a prisoner is quite capable of. Do not figs for the government account toil with idleness. Occupational therapy is just that. Considering that we have about 400 thousand prisoners, a lot of things can be built with their help.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 10 September 2021 10: 15
    -3
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    It is enough to destroy the creature. The guilt is proven, there is no doubt - the creature must be destroyed!

    Do you remember how many people were shot until they caught Chekotila? Life imprisonment is quite enough, because judicial errors are possible, and one cannot return an innocent shot.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 10 September 2021 10: 53
      +4
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      Do you remember how many people were shot until they caught Chekotila?

      And how much? Ten, twenty? One, and a murderer and rapist, who escaped death only by childhood.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 10 September 2021 17: 06
        -2
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        One, and a murderer and rapist, who escaped death only by childhood.

        Not true. A resident of the city of Shakhty, Kravchenko was shot for the murder of a girl in 1978, which, as it turned out later, was also committed by Chikatilo. That is, an innocent man was shot, who may have had a family and children. Can he be resurrected to correct a miscarriage of justice?
        1. FIR FIR
          FIR FIR 10 September 2021 18: 15
          +1
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          A resident of the city of Shakhty, Kravchenko was shot for the murder of a girl in 1978, which, as it turned out later, was also committed by Chikatilo. That is, an innocent person was shot

          Wrong?
          But the role of Lenochka's killer was perfectly suited to another person who lived in the same area, Alexander Kravchenko. As it turned out, the man had already been tried for the same murder of another 9-year-old girl. He gouged out the eyes of the raped and strangled victim, burying her corpse in the garden. Since at that time the criminal was 17, he was given eight years for this. For good behavior, he came out on parole. I got married. And it seems to have started a new life.

          Read on WWW.ROSTOV.KP.RU: https://www.rostov.kp.ru/daily/27265/4399883/
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 10 September 2021 19: 05
            +1
            Quote: FIR FIR
            Wrong?

            Most likely, yes. There is still no unequivocal decision on this murder. Wikipedia is, of course, a mediocre source, but you can start with it too.
            July 5, 1983 A.P. Kravchenko was shot
            1. FIR FIR
              FIR FIR 10 September 2021 20: 53
              +2
              Against this background, the Kravchenko case was also considered. We checked his arguments right in the court session, interrogated the summoned police officers, checked in which cell and with whom he was sitting. In general, everything that could be done at that stage of the process, we, of course, checked. It was hardly possible to discount the objective circumstance that Kravchenko had already been previously convicted of a similar murder crime involving the rape of a minor. Moreover, and, if one may say so, the "handwriting" was the same. Then he raped the girl, killed her, gouged out her eyes, buried her in the garden. That is, in Kravchenko we had a reason to see a person who had killed before. Of course, this circumstance was not evidence, but it was considered circumstantial evidence. And very serious ...
              (V. Ogurtsov. The trace of the beast. - Rostov n / a, 1993).

              This beast had to be sent there for the crime he had committed. And they sent, deservedly, only later.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 10 September 2021 21: 03
                -2
                Quote: FIR FIR
                Kravchenko was previously convicted of a similar murder crime involving rape

                Can you link to this crime? That is, on the materials of the case and the verdict? I am not making excuses for anyone, I am only saying that his guilt in this crime (the murder of 9-year-old Elena Zakotnova) has not been proven.
                1. Kot_Kuzya
                  Kot_Kuzya 11 September 2021 14: 01
                  -2
                  Kravchenko had to be shot for the first murder. And by the way, it was Kravchenko who killed Zakotnova, not Chikatilo. First, Zakotnova was raped, while Chikatilo never raped his victims. And secondly, between the murder of Zakotnova and the first victim of Chikatilo in 1981, there is a difference of 3 years, while Chikatilo killed his victims with an interval of 1-6 months.
    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 13: 09
      -2
      And you still remember a couple of million who were shot in 1934-38! ...
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 10 September 2021 17: 13
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        And you still remember a couple of million who were shot in 1934-38! ...

        Let's start with the fact that there were no "a couple of million shot in 1934-38", the figure was much less, but this does not negate the fact that innocent people were also shot over the years. It would be better not. A convicted person can be released in the event of a miscarriage of justice, but the executed person cannot be returned.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 17: 41
          -2
          Here you, like many others, also go to the other extreme - well, not a couple of million were shot, but there were fewer of them, but then add those who died when being transported to camps, who were shot during escorting, who died in camps, etc. And what about those who died of hunger during collectivizations and so on - how are they to be counted? Accidental victims or victims of circumstance? Or something else?
          I agree with you on one thing - it would be better if this were not all! There were excesses in the construction of socialism in the 1930s, but I do not see an exacerbation of the class struggle at point-blank range.
          Indeed, the convicted person could still be released, but the executed person could no longer be resurrected.
          And let not even 2-3 million were shot, but 500 thousand, even though this figure is terrible, but how could these thousands change the position of our Red Army in the fall of 1941, near Moscow or Leningrad. But history has no subjunctive mood. Alas.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 10 September 2021 17: 49
            +3
            Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
            Here you, like many others, also go to the other extreme ...

            We will not break our spears here about the number of victims during collectivization, famine and so on. There are specialized studies on this topic, they are large and complex, a lot of materials have been closed so far, this is the subject of a separate serious conversation. Here, after all, we are talking about something else. But yeah, IT'S BETTER IT WOULD NOT BE,
          2. Alexander Lysenko
            Alexander Lysenko 15 September 2021 18: 35
            0
            The article is about pedophiles.
        2. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev 11 September 2021 11: 55
          +1
          And how do you like this option?
          In the event of a judicial and investigative error, which resulted in the execution of an innocent person, the jury and the entire investigation team from investigators to operas are automatically put to the wall. I feel that the likelihood of such mistakes will go to zero.
          But then another problem will appear. In an unspoken form, the moratorium on executions will return, because judges will simply stop sentencing to death, even if there is a lot of reinforced concrete evidence. Only the Lord God gives a 100% guarantee, and anything can be falsified if desired.
          1. your1970
            your1970 13 September 2021 08: 21
            0
            Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
            In the event of a judicial and investigative error, which resulted in the execution of an innocent person, the jury and the entire investigation team from investigators to operas are automatically put to the wall. I feel that the likelihood of such mistakes will go to zero.

            There is a great chance that there will be no fools to work in the authorities at all - simply because the Lord God knows everything ... And all the rest - only a small fraction ...
    3. Essex62
      Essex62 10 September 2021 21: 20
      0
      Innocent, not one. All execution sentences were passed on factual material with evidence in the form of the testimony of the defendants themselves and the identification of their victims and confirmed evidence. And the time before the verdict was pronounced was quite long. There was always a chance to correct the mistake.
      1. Denis812
        Denis812 11 September 2021 21: 04
        +1
        You are probably delusional.
        Of course, innocent people were shot.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 11 September 2021 22: 05
          +2
          In the Chikatilo case. No, that's what I mean.
          1. Denis812
            Denis812 17 September 2021 19: 20
            0
            In the case of Chikatilo too. But this is simply the most famous case. Do you consider everyone who was put at 58 to the wall 100% guilty?
            all whom the triplets shot - too? :)
            PPC You are strange.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 17 September 2021 19: 29
              0
              On the 58th, special triplets? So after all, the Civil War and the class struggle. Here from whose bell tower to look. Those who wish to revive a system in which individual organisms ride on someone else's hump, of course, do not consider this to be their fault. Although not a single thousand fell under the distribution, I agree. Only we are talking about the time of developed socialism, and not mixing red against white. Everything is clear there. The victors cleansed the society from bourgeois and monarchist infection.
              In the Chikatilo case, not a single innocent was shot.
              1. Denis812
                Denis812 17 September 2021 19: 38
                0
                1. We discussed whether innocent people were shot. I think we both know that of course we were. The class struggle or the investigation of terrorist acts or the personal desire of the chairman of the local Cheka - it doesn't matter at all. It is important that an innocent man can be released from the slammer, but he cannot be returned from the other world.
                2. About Chikatilo - Kravchenko was shot. Yes, he was finished. But specifically in the crime for which he was shot, he was INnocent. There is a decision to cancel the sentence against him.
                3. And if it is, then I am completely for the death penalty. For a number of crimes only - such as pedophilia followed by murder, in the case of a terrorist attack and in the case of crimes such as treason. Worked for another state, handed in secrets - welcome to the oven.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 10 September 2021 12: 16
    +5
    First, we need to restore order in law enforcement agencies and courts .. And then, given the current state of affairs, they will shoot us half of the country for bribes. The notorious 37th children's matinee will seem ...

    In addition, it seems to me that there is a certain difference between the death penalty and the highest measure of social protection. It would be nice to be realistically aware of it in order to understand what we really want from the state.
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 13: 12
      -3
      "Death penalty" - it sounds somehow primitive, but "the highest measure of social protection" - super !!! Fine!!!!! Who came up with this idea?!? ...
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 10 September 2021 13: 22
        +4
        The difference is in principle. The death penalty - punishes for crimes, and the highest measure of social protection - as the name implies, protects the population from repetition of accusations by the given individual. Much follows from this.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 13: 29
          -2
          Yes, we all understand! Just what a grace in the name! That's what I mean !!! Super!!! From here I am delighted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 10 September 2021 05: 18
    +8
    Zakotnova was killed by Kravchenko, not Chikatilo, so this scum deservedly received a bullet. Chikatilo never raped victims, Zakotnova was raped, moreover, between the murder of Zakotnova and the first victim of Chikatilo there was a period of three years, while Chikatilo killed his victims with a difference of 1-6 months.
    1. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 11 September 2021 12: 06
      -3
      Judging by your categorical statement, you personally participated in the investigation into the murder of Zakotnova and personally knocked Kravchenko's entrails away. Am I wrong?
      By the way, you shouldn't worry, it was the episode with Zakotnova with Chikatillo that was filmed, and Kravchenko was not rehabilitated. Garbage and prosecutor's nits still saved their filthy glasses.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 11 September 2021 13: 17
        0
        And judging by your peremptory defense of the scum Kravchenko, who at the age of 17 raped and killed 10-year-old Galya Tsiplyak, and escaped being shot only because of his minority, you see, you feel sorry for Kravchenko. Do you approve of girls being abused and murdered?
        1. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev 11 September 2021 15: 19
          +2
          I escaped. And only because he was a minor. We had such imperfect legislation, it was necessary to shoot minors too. Preferably from infancy, for reliability. Is not it???
          But Kravchenko did not remain unpunished, he rewound his term.
          But this lesson to him, nevertheless, went for the future, and he lived a normal, honest life, until, on the one hand, Chikatilo appeared nearby, and, on the other hand, "advocates of justice" like you in uniform did not decide why bother and look for a real maniac, when there is such a smart candidate nearby as Kravchenko, who had turned away from the execution at one time. They probably also believed that they were restoring justice, even if Kravchenko had nothing to do with Zakotnova's murder. And the real killer still needs to be found, and for this it is necessary to work hard, but they did not go to the musarna for this, to work! And so, you see, a real maniac can tie up or die by his own death, or move, then the subsequent murders of children will not be their problem. And when detained, he can also offer tough resistance, but he has nothing to lose! What if he spoils the filthy garbage skin? Kravchenko will not resist, he knows that he is not to blame here. At the same time, you can amuse your sadism during interrogations!
          And you, Kuzma Kuzmich, are pouring slops on Kravchenko, who was shot a long time ago, either because Galya Tsiplyak is your relative. Then I understand you. Either because you yourself or someone from the investigation team in the Lena Zakotnova case are your relatives or friends. So you are splashing saliva to drown out your conscience. Then we better not meet in real life.
          By the way, you didn’t answer my question, did you take part in the investigation of Lena Zakotnova’s case?
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 11 September 2021 23: 20
            0
            Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
            Preferably from infancy, for reliability. Is not it???

            Again you are engaged in demagoguery. What crime can a baby commit? And yes, I believe that the death penalty should be introduced from the age of 12, as it is done in the United States. In Russia, there are a lot of thugs 12-13 years old who commit rape and murder, and they get away with it, because due to their age they are not subject to jurisdiction.
            Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
            But Kravchenko did not remain unpunished, he rewound his term.

            That is, for you, a 10-year sentence for the rape and murder of a 9-year-old girl is a "worthy" punishment?
            Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
            But this lesson to him, nevertheless, went for the future, and he lived a normal, honest life.

            Are you so sure of Kravchenko's innocence? I have already given you 2 facts of Chikatilo's innocence to the murder of Zakotnaya. It was Kravchenko who killed Zakotnaya, there is no one else. And why are you jumping so furiously for the scum of Kravchenko? Are you a relative or a pedophile yourself? Although I am inclined to come to the conclusion that you are repeatedly convicted, black, denied, living by thieves' concepts, that is why you are so furiously jumping for the murderer, pedophile and rapist Kravchenko, since you are kindred spirits with him.
            1. Sergey M. Karasev
              Sergey M. Karasev 12 September 2021 11: 28
              -2
              Again you are engaged in demagoguery.

              And when did I do demagoguery before? And where did you see demagoguery here?
              And yes, I believe that the death penalty should be introduced from the age of 12, as it is done in the United States.

              Found an example to follow ... You still cite the Third Reich as an example of the correct laws.
              In Russia, there are a lot of thugs 12-13 years old who commit rape and murder, and they get away with it, because due to their age they are not subject to jurisdiction.

              Is it really all right? Have the special schools already been abolished? And they are very different from the camps?
              That is, for you, a 10-year sentence for the rape and murder of a 9-year-old girl is a "worthy" punishment?

              For a minor, this was the ceiling. Well, what can you do ... request Why didn't you shoot him when he was leaning back?
              It was Kravchenko who killed Zakotnaya, there is no one else.

              Why not Chikatillo?
              I have already given you 2 facts of Chikatilo's innocence to the murder of Zakotnaya.

              This is this nonsense, or what?
              Chikatilo never raped victims

              Bravo, sir! laughing Keep up the good work: in the next comment you will write that Chikatillo did not kill anyone. And what? Lie, so lie! As the unforgettable Dr. Goebbels said, the more monstrous the lie, the more willingly they believe in it.
              Only where did that notorious sperm come from, the blood type of which differs from the blood type, determined by the blood itself, if Chikatillo did not rape?
              in addition, between the murder of Zakotnova and the first victim of Chikatilo, there was a period of three years, while Chikatilo killed his victims with a difference of 1-6 months.

              Sometimes maniacs manage to restrain their black passions for a long time. It is a well-known fact. But the psychopathy progressed, so it started ...
              Are you so sure of Kravchenko's innocence?

              Kuzma Kuzmich! There, the entire accusation was based only on the fact that Kravchenko had previously committed a similar crime and, naturally, on the "queen of evidence." And that's it! Yes, such arguments in a normal court only wipe! Maybe you have any other evidence? Would you like to share? And by the way, where did you get them from? Did you personally hold the candle when Kravchenko killed Zakotnova? Why didn't you shoot him then?
              Although I am inclined to conclude that you are repeatedly convicted, black, denied, living by thieves' notions,

              I could send you with such versions on a long hike with an erotic bias, because this does not concern you closely, but I will answer.
              Yes, I had a criminal record. For a crime that I not only did not commit, but which did not exist at all from the word "absolutely". Therefore, it will be superfluous to explain my further attitude towards the "law enforcement" bodies. In some ways, Kravchenko and I have a similar fate, he was just much more unlucky. But for the rest of my life I have remembered the expression of bliss on the muffs of the rubbish ramming me. Can you explain the essence of this bliss? I don't like to beat others.
              Well, you will not deign to answer my questions?
              Admit it, then you will open it anyway laughing
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 12 September 2021 12: 54
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                Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                Found an example to follow ... You still cite the Third Reich as an example of the correct laws.

                The USA is an example and a role model for almost the whole world. And the Third Reich is recognized as a criminal state.
                Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                Only where did that notorious sperm come from, the blood type of which differs from the blood type, determined by the blood itself, if Chikatillo did not rape?

                Chikatilo did not rape the victims, he, roughly speaking, just masturbated on them, and sometimes he ejaculated, but not always. Chikatilo was impotent.
                Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                There, the entire accusation was based only on the fact that Kravchenko had previously committed a similar crime and, naturally, on the "queen of evidence." And that's it! Yes, such arguments in a normal court only wipe!

                On the murder of Zakotnova, the court also had only a confession against Chikatilo and the fact that he had committed similar crimes. Chikatilo killed more than 50 people, and one more, one less he didn't care, maybe for this confession he was given a concession in the cell. No wonder then in 1993 the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation ruled out Zakotnova's case against Chikatilo for lack of evidence.
                Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                Yes, I had a criminal record. For a crime that I not only did not commit, but which did not exist at all from the word "absolutely". Therefore, it will be superfluous to explain my further attitude towards the "law enforcement" bodies. In some ways, Kravchenko and I have a similar fate, he was just much more unlucky. But for the rest of my life I have remembered the expression of bliss on the muffs of the rubbish ramming me. Can you explain the essence of this bliss? I don't like to beat others.

                Don’t lie, in the zones 99% of the convicts are all innocent, all of them were slandered and slandered by cops, prosecutors, witnesses, victims, etc. So do not tell tales that you were imprisoned innocent.
                1. Sergey M. Karasev
                  Sergey M. Karasev 12 September 2021 14: 52
                  -1
                  The USA is an example and a role model for almost the whole world.

                  Everything is clear here ... The State Department pays decently for such pearls, there is enough for bread. Is that so?
                  And the Third Reich is recognized as a criminal state.

                  Otherwise, you would have admired his laws. There, after all, they shot to the right and to the left, regardless of gender and age, especially the Untermensch. But no way ... At least - a ban on the VO for the propaganda of Nazism.
                  Chikatilo did not rape the victims, he, roughly speaking, just masturbated on them, and sometimes he ejaculated, but not always.

                  Penetration into the genitals with a foreign object (a knife, in this case) is also considered rape.
                  Chikatilo was impotent.

                  EMNIP, since 1981, not since 1978.
                  Zakotnova was raped, moreover, between the murder of Zakotnova and the first victim of Chikatilo there was a term of three years, while Chikatilo killed his victims with a difference of 1-6 months.

                  How many years have passed between the murders of Tsiplyak and Zakotnova? Huh? For some reason, you are rolling out this argument in defense of Chikatillo, but for Kravchenko it is not a defense argument. And why are you trying to rehabilitate Chikatillo here? Is he better than Kravchenko? Something is wrong here ...
                  It was not for nothing that later in 1993 the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation ruled out Zakotnova's case against Chikatilo for lack of evidence.

                  So I already wrote:
                  Garbage and prosecutor's nits still saved their filthy glasses.

                  We are adults and we perfectly understand everything: Kravchenko will not rise again, and Chika will not feel better. And then the stars with stripes are under threat! Musarna and the prosecutor's office had to strain themselves. And it worked. Nobody canceled ties and corporate solidarity. They'd rather be looking for Chiku with such zeal!
                  Chikatilo killed more than 50 people, and one more, one less he didn't care, maybe for this confession he was given a concession in the cell.

                  Who needed this confession! It only added problems to "serious people" (see above). And what concessions he could get out? He would not have been put in a common cell anyway.
                  Do not lie

                  Check it out!
                  on the zones 99% of the convicts are all innocent

                  Did I write that I was sitting in the zone? Where are you in such a hurry with conclusions?
                  Although I am inclined to come to the conclusion that you are repeatedly convicted, black, denied, living by thieves' notions, that is why you jump so furiously for a murderer, pedophile and rapist

                  Black, denialists and living by thieves' notions VM Kravchenko would have carried out in a matter of hours. And they are not comme il faut to defend him. So again you have not guessed.
                  And who are you for me to prove something to you? There will be a lot of honor! I sneeze from a high tower in your disbelief!
                  Py Sy: And yet, why did you like Chika so much and not like Kravchenko? A skeleton in a closet? So already all the statutes of limitations have come out.
                  1. Kot_Kuzya
                    Kot_Kuzya 13 September 2021 01: 04
                    -2
                    Again you write nonsense:
                    Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                    Black, denialists and living by thieves' notions VM Kravchenko would have carried out in a matter of hours. And they are not comme il faut to defend him. So again you have not guessed.

                    That is, do you think that Kravchenko lived in solitary confinement for all 10 years? I don't think he was woolen in the press-hut, and for all 10 years he dropped the black suit. For this, the blacks would not have given him a quiet life in the wild, they would have immediately planted on the peak. So Kravchenko served quite well in the zone, I would not be surprised if he was still in authority there. You probably still think that the Second World War was won thanks to penal battalions with blaa-a-native criminals like Glymov?
                    1. Sergey M. Karasev
                      Sergey M. Karasev 13 September 2021 02: 20
                      -2
                      I would not be surprised if he was still in authority there.

                      And I'm surprised that he lived to see the bell. Child killers and pedophiles often do not reach the zone.
                      in the zones, 99% of convicts are all innocent, all of them were slandered and slandered by cops, prosecutors, witnesses, victims, etc. So do not tell the tales that you were imprisoned innocent.

                      Do you seriously think that 100% of those 99 are in prison? laughing laughing
                      And enough wagging left and right, you answer the questions posed, and do not chatter the topic!
                    2. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 13 September 2021 02: 27
                      -2
                      Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                      And I'm surprised that he lived to see the bell. Child killers and pedophiles often do not reach the zone.

                      Well, they didn't kill him, which means that all these stories about blah-a-arood criminals committing a trial against pedophiles, these are all stories. And most likely, pedophiles in the zone and in the pre-trial detention center are killed not because it is the way of thieves, but simply the relatives of the victim of a pedophile have connections in the criminal world, and give an order to murder a pedophile. Zakotnova's father and other relatives had no connections with the criminals, so Kravchenko was not killed in the pre-trial detention center or in the zone.
                      Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                      Do you seriously think that 100% of those 99 are in prison?
                      And enough wagging left and right, you answer the questions posed, and do not chatter the topic!

                      Among my acquaintances there is no one whom the cops would simply take on the street and hang someone else's crime on him. Well, no, that's all! So I think that the stories about "cop's lawlessness" were invented by the convicts themselves, in order to later claim that they are innocent, and "the cops imprisoned them in lawlessness."
                    3. Sergey M. Karasev
                      Sergey M. Karasev 13 September 2021 14: 41
                      0
                      Well, they didn't kill him, which means that all these stories about blah-a-arood criminals committing a trial against pedophiles, these are all stories.

                      And you, haven't you heard about the "red" zones, where the thieves' law does not work? Most likely, Kravchenko was sitting in it.
                      And most likely, pedophiles in the zone and in the pre-trial detention center are killed not because it is the way of thieves, but simply the relatives of the victim of a pedophile have connections in the criminal world, and give an order to kill a pedophile.

                      Isn't it easier for the victim's relatives to meet the pedophile themselves after serving "with flowers and an orchestra"? The number of victims of pedophiles, whose relatives have connections with authorities (there is little use from a simple urge), is too small compared to the number of pedophiles killed and abandoned in the camp. Moreover, they are killed and lowered very quickly, no authority during this period will have time to send a malyava with an order. And why then orders from relatives are accepted only for pedophiles, and not ordinary murderers?
                      Zakotnova's father and other relatives had no connections with the criminals, so Kravchenko was not killed in the pre-trial detention center or in the zone.

                      Father Zakotnova did not need this - Kravchenko was already shot.
                      Among my acquaintances there is no one whom the cops would simply take on the street and hang someone else's crime on him. Well, no, that's all! So I think that the stories about "cop's lawlessness" were invented by the convicts themselves, in order to later claim that they are innocent, and "the cops imprisoned them in lawlessness."

                      Let's start with the fact that the percentage of cops among the population of Russia is not that great. Consider that not every cop is filthy trash. And let's not forget the factor of elementary luck.
                      So be glad that this cup has passed you, but do not forget that the loss of illusion can be very painful.
                      And the saying "From the bag, but do not renounce the prison" did not arise out of nowhere.
                    4. Sergey M. Karasev
                      Sergey M. Karasev 13 September 2021 15: 18
                      0
                      So I think that the stories about "cop's lawlessness" were invented by the convicts themselves, in order to later claim that they are innocent, and "the cops imprisoned them in lawlessness."

                      And here are the proofs for you:
                      https://rodbooks.ru/policeiskii-bespredel-v-rossii-11-rezonansnyh-epizodov.html

                      https://lenta.ru/articles/2015/09/22/bespredel/

                      https://www.tvtomsk.ru/news/59046-troe-sotrudnikov-policii-izbili-do-smerti-muzhchinu-v-tomskoj-oblasti.html
        2. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev 12 September 2021 11: 54
          0
          By the way, how did the murder of Zakotnova come to light in the investigation of the Chikatillo case? The investigation had no reason to try on Chikatillo on him, because it was closed for a long time. Then Chika took it upon himself, without the slightest pressure, the trailblazers did not even mention him.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 12 September 2021 12: 54
            -1
            Chikatilo killed more than 50 people, and one more, one less he didn't care, maybe for this confession he was given a concession in the cell.
  • gohomeyanki
    gohomeyanki 10 September 2021 08: 20
    +5
    So .... and you have a system to protect such. It's good to kill these, but the fact that 50% -70% of relapse does not bother you ??
    Those. 50% of those who go out are on a new stage, and will return and continue to rob, rape, kill.
    Wait until two are killed? .. or how many are necessary. Reeducation system as well as warning system = not working.

    The death penalty .. well, a difficult question, someone may be glad that he will die, and it will be worse for him when he suffers ... Because if you want tougher, there are other options. And death ... well, it's just a line, nothing is possible beyond it. )
    1. Esso
      Esso 10 September 2021 09: 27
      +15
      For those who believe that the evidence base is 100%
      "No one will find an uncle, and everything will be forgotten." He sat down for 13 years for pedophilia
      Complaint to 13 years of strict regime. Two schoolgirls claimed that a stranger was masturbating in front of them at the entrance, so they were afraid to leave the house and skipped lessons. The complaint denied all charges, explaining that he was delivering business cards to residential buildings. From the video surveillance camera recording it follows that he left the girls' entrance two minutes later.
      The Kuzminsky court of the capital sentenced Muscovite Sergei Complaint to 13 years in a strict regime colony in a pedophilia case. This was reported to RIA Novosti by the press secretary of the court, Karina Kalenova.

      According to the investigation, the man committed sexual acts against two girls under the age of 14 two years ago. He went into the entrance of one of the houses in the Ryazan district after the schoolgirls. The girls claimed that he showed them their genitals, but the Muscovite himself said that he was simply delivering business cards to residential buildings. Moreover, CCTV cameras recorded that Complaint left the building two minutes later.

      As the agency clarifies, later, during the investigation, the girls admitted that they had slandered a stranger. It is assumed that the schoolgirls skipped school that day and with such a story decided to “switch the attention” of the parents to “another problem”. But despite this, the court decided to sentence the Muscovite to 13 years in a strict regime colony.


      During the investigation, the schoolgirls admitted that they had slandered a stranger because they thought the police would not find him. After skipping classes, they got scared of their parents and decided to “switch attention” to “another topic” by inventing a story with a pedophile.
      Epilogue, what is the punishment for the investigator and the judge?
      The reason for the resonance, the mediocrity of ordinary investigators, the main thing is to jail, and who is not important. There are not even docks collected there, just the testimony of 2 girls, and they even checked what they lied. The judge didn't care if it was necessary.
      The result was to sort out the case, most likely there was a slip of the tongue, the examination of problems with the man did not reveal.
      The Moscow City Court overturned the decision to sentence Muscovite Sergei Complaint to 13 years in prison for sexual violence against two girls, who later admitted that they had slandered him, and sent the case for a new trial. This was reported to TASS by one of the participants in the process.

      "The Moscow City Court overturned the verdict in relation to the Complaint and sent the case to the court of first instance for a new examination. The appeal considered that the judges who passed the sentence had incorrectly applied the criminal law," said the agency's interlocutor. The press service of the Moscow City Court declined to comment, citing the fact that the case was heard behind closed doors, since it affects the interests of minors.

      The judge is strict for 6.5 years, so that others think, doctors are jailed for wrong diagnoses, and why there are no judges. They are afraid to be left without support and chaos in the mafia.
      Investigator 6.5 years old, for negligence in work, imprisoning a person without evidence.
      A reprimand to the management who did not check its work. Demote his superior.
      1. gohomeyanki
        gohomeyanki 10 September 2021 10: 10
        -9
        Does the fact that you were involved in spam confuse you? For me, it must be tougher, went into the entrance (in fact, it is the private property of the tenants), without permission, you can shoot him.
        You like that it is not clear who wandered around your entrance, and then they shit, wet puddles and poop. This is not my choice.

        I like it better as in the United States, went into someone else's house, you can legally grab a bullet.


        Ps simple math:
        400, most likely about 000 comes out. 100 of them will take up the old one. For the sake of one case of exception, you propose that 000 suffer. Well, such a pleasure. The legislation is built for criminals.
        1. gsev
          gsev 10 September 2021 22: 59
          -1
          Quote: gohomeyanki
          I like it better as in the United States, went into someone else's house, you can legally grab a bullet.

          In Russia both under I. Grozny and under I. Stalin laws were aimed at suppressing attempts on the part of ordinary people to give an organized rebuff to attempts on their rights. On the other hand, laws were written in such a way that it would be extremely difficult for legislators and executors to be held accountable for violating the rights of the common man. Under the Liberal Democrats, nothing has changed. For example, after October 1993, the Russian authorities officially authorized the police to rob ordinary people by secret directive and forbade the prosecutor's office to attract racketeers and bribe-takers in pursuit of not too much bribery. Since then, for 15 years, militiamen have robbed ordinary people for failure to provide registration certificates. Only graters with Ukraine forced Putin to first allow the Ukrainians not to register in Russia for 3 months, and only then introduce such an exemption for Russian citizens.
        2. Esso
          Esso 12 September 2021 21: 57
          +1
          Quote: gohomeyanki
          Does the fact that you were involved in spam confuse you? For me, it must be tougher, went into the entrance (in fact, it is the private property of the tenants), without permission, you can shoot him.
          You like that it is not clear who wandered around your entrance, and then they shit, wet puddles and poop. This is not my choice.

          I like it better as in the United States, went into someone else's house, you can legally grab a bullet.


          Ps simple math:
          400, most likely about 000 comes out. 100 of them will take up the old one. For the sake of one case of exception, you propose that 000 suffer. Well, such a pleasure. The legislation is built for criminals.

          Forgive the insane, do you even have a head? What kind of spam, the postman will come to you and bring a letter from the tax office or an important decree, you can now issue an electronic version, but the point is. The drunks and smokers wander about the entrances, and the man worked. Then on the cameras they quickly find who was shitting, and it turns out that these are the tenants themselves. So the peasant was slandered, for this the girls, I would put on record, immediately after school to the police, to register. And so every day, until the age of majority. You cannot leave the house after 22:00. Let them take care of their chastity and do not hang around. I immediately remembered Shurygina, pretended to be a victim, but turned out to be ..., oh, you can't write this here ...
      2. Winnie76
        Winnie76 10 September 2021 11: 43
        +4
        Quote: Esso
        The judge is strict for 6.5 years, so that others think, doctors are jailed for wrong diagnoses, and why there are no judges. They are afraid to be left without support and chaos in the mafia.
        Investigator 6.5 years old, for negligence in work, imprisoning a person without evidence.
        A reprimand to the management who did not check its work. Demote his superior.

        I would also slap schoolgirls about 5 years old. In the juvenile zone, if there are such
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 14: 04
          -2
          ... You so want to transplant the whole country! We have already gone through this in the past - half of the country is sitting, and half of the country is waiting for landing ... No, one must draw conclusions from the past and not repeat mistakes.
        2. Esso
          Esso 12 September 2021 21: 58
          +1
          Quote: Winnie76
          for this girls, I would put on record, immediately after school to the police, to register. And so every day, until the age of majority. You cannot leave the house after 22:00. Let them take care of their chastity and do not hang around. I immediately remembered Shurygina, pretended to be a victim, but turned out to be ..., oh, you can't write this here ...

          for this, I would register the girls, immediately after school, to the police, to the mark. And so every day, until they come of age. You cannot leave the house after 22:00. Visit public places only when accompanied by parents. Let them take care of their chastity and do not hang around. I immediately remembered Shurygina, pretended to be a victim, but turned out to be ..., oh, you can't write this here ...
      3. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 11 September 2021 12: 13
        +1
        The judge is strict for 6.5 years, so that others think, doctors are jailed for wrong diagnoses, and why there are no judges. They are afraid to be left without support and chaos in the mafia.
        Investigator 6.5 years old, for negligence in work, imprisoning a person without evidence.

        Did they divide the 13 years who gave the Complaint into two? Why divide? Everyone is the same 13 years old. And not in the "red", but in the "black" zone, there with them there are many who want to talk in detail about the law and justice. am They will be forgiven and understood laughing
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    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 13: 30
      -2
      Do not blaspheme - there is another and eternal life! There is a villain and torment forever.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 10 September 2021 10: 42
    -2
    I support, I am in the poll - "FOR",
    1. DNA;
    2. The jury in a special order;
    3. Electric chair (nefik, waste ammunition, electricity is cheaper ..);
    4. Publication in the media, statistics to the highest degree, especially against children and adolescents !!!
    Well, they know ... how, society should relate to this! am
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 10 September 2021 12: 27
      0
      Quote: Intruder
      3. Electric chair (nefik, waste ammunition, electricity is cheaper ..);

      A stake on Red Square is even cheaper and more instructive, and then with ramrods, like Alexander Dutov, light Ilyich, or through a line of 500 people and gauntlets, as under Nikolai Pavlovich. Personally, I am in favor of the Investigative Committee or VMN, bullets in the head are not a pity for such non-people, the state will not become poorer, although the Chinese neighbors are sending a bill for services to the relatives of the shot and try not to pay.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 10 September 2021 12: 36
        -1
        The stake on Red Square is even cheaper and more instructive,
        And then, the bill for cleaning the site, etc.!?
        Personally, I am in favor of the Investigative Committee or VMN, bullets in the head are not a pity for such non-people, the state will not become poorer, although the Chinese neighbors are sending a bill for services to the relatives of the shot and try not to pay.
        And if, an orphan, fathers and mothers, they introduced themselves as unemployed and lived under a bridge !? Electricity is all the same ... there is a lot and it is possible, right at the NPP / HPP to build a "black" barn ???
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 10 September 2021 12: 58
          +2
          Quote: Intruder
          And if, an orphan, dads and mothers - in addition, they introduced themselves, unemployed and lived under the bridge!

          So the Chinese do not shoot orphans and unemployed people, they are sent to labor camps. The main contingent of the middle class is corrupt businessmen and party leaders who are bribe-takers.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 10 September 2021 13: 31
            0
            The main contingent of the middle class is corrupt businessmen and party leaders who are bribe-takers.
            Former respected Russian ... ugh, Chinese citizens !? wink lol
  • Icarus
    Icarus 10 September 2021 15: 52
    +1
    Such bastards don't deserve to live, and neither do an easy death. Not a sadist, but they must suffer before they die .....

    I fully agree with your indignation and indignation towards evil spirits. But answer me the question: a rapist, knowing that he is facing the death penalty, will often leave a victim alive, which can identify him and thereby kill him?
    Second question: Suppose you, in a restaurant, having used (there is no dry law in our country), entered the men's toilet (there are usually no video cameras in the toilet, and outside, at the entrance, as luck would have it, it will not work) and in the most responsible (difficult- interrupted) the moment a girl comes into the toilet, seemingly 18 years old (then it turns out to be 13 years and 350 days), and starts screaming, banging her head on something, grabs you, staining you with blood, etc., then they run into the toilet her "brothers", break you and offer to buy off a very large sum. You are outraged and disagree. Will the jury plead guilty (death or life imprisonment)?
    Wouldn't it be better for the state to spend a certain amount and normally track convicts and those who served their sentences under the relevant articles, for example, using an electronic bracelet or a QR code (the technology has been worked out due to covid-19) and other measures within 3-5-10 years ... In this case, erroneously convicted persons will be able to rehabilitate, the sick - to be cured or constantly drink sedative drugs (voluntarily and free of charge), repeat offenders ..., but repeat offenders on a chair, preferably electric, and preferably on a count.
    1. Alexander Lysenko
      Alexander Lysenko 15 September 2021 18: 57
      0
      Don't bend it over. Even parents can put pressure on a teenager and find out the truth.
      1. Icarus
        Icarus 16 September 2021 11: 17
        0
        If the teenager is normal, then I agree with you. I gave an example, when a teenager is already with criminal inclinations and in a group (flock) with elders.
  • Shopping Mall
    Shopping Mall 11 September 2021 12: 25
    -1
    It is necessary to hang only notorious villains, but notorious villains must be hung!

    Publicly, with live broadcast over the Internet and TV. With the obligatory publication of case materials (with a certain censorship), to minimize doubts about the innocence of the offender.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 05: 10
    +13
    I have a sharply negative attitude to the softness of the state towards those who commit cruel crimes ... it is especially indignant when a criminal or criminals who killed their victims with particular cruelty are sentenced to 10-15 years instead of life.
    I do not understand when a life sentence is still released for good behavior ... absurd.
    The very meaning of the punishment of an eye for an eye is turned upside down ... arguing that this is the law.
    Such legalists themselves saw the branch on which they sit, forgetting that the law must be based on justice ... evil must be punished in any case.
    And if this does not happen, then more terrible things begin to happen ... this is an axiom.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 10 September 2021 07: 14
      +10
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      ... arguing that this is the law.
      Such legalists themselves saw the branch on which they sit, forgetting that the law should be based on justice ...

      These "thieves" are well-kept and well guarded, and their children study in closed institutions, which are also well guarded. Therefore, the problems of the broad masses are of purely theoretical interest to them, being only working moments, statistics, nothing more ...
    2. kimdmitri
      kimdmitri 10 September 2021 07: 31
      .
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The very meaning of punishment eye for eye is turned upside down

      Want to go back to wild times? So the blood will flow like a river. You yourself will then howl and demand to be judged by the law, and not by the concepts of honor, blood, eye for an eye, etc.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 08: 46
        +3
        And you offer, as Breivik, the killer of dozens of people, a two-room cell with all conveniences, Internet, TV, enhanced power supply and with the possibility to be released in 25 years.
        Do you need such civilized laws? I certainly do not need them.
        You yourself are encouraging potential murderers to commit new crimes.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 10 September 2021 12: 52
          0
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          And you offer, as Breivik, the killer of dozens of people, a two-room cell with all conveniences, Internet, TV, enhanced power supply and with the possibility to be released in 25 years.

          By the way, he filed another appeal and the court is considering the possibility of his release this year, in any case there was such information in the media.
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 10 September 2021 08: 50
        +1
        Want to go back to wild times? So the blood will flow like a river. Then you yourself will howl and demand to be judged by the law, and not by the concepts of honor, blood, eye for an eye

        In Dagestan, in the late 90s, people lynched a pedophile murderer, which they witnessed. The police simply could not take him away from the angry people. They beat him with hoes and shovels. No one was persecuted, and the local police and ordinary people considered that justice had been restored.
      3. Igoresha
        Igoresha 10 September 2021 10: 16
        +1
        So the blood will flow like a river.
        Give "Culling" according to Divov, otherwise it will be even worse.
        Already the court of Bryansk gave 2 years conditionally to a Dagestani conscript who mocked officers (!)
      4. Intruder
        Intruder 10 September 2021 10: 52
        -3
        Want to go back to wild times? So the blood will flow like a river
        Have you got a children???? Or at least defenseless relatives ??? request
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 10 September 2021 10: 44
      -1
      I do not understand when a life sentence is still released for good behavior ... absurd.
      Yeah, we also feed and create conditions of detention with security ..., for these non-humans, plus we treat them in the infirmary and respect human rights ... ugh, shame !!!
    4. Captain45
      Captain45 10 September 2021 12: 32
      +5
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The very meaning of the punishment of an eye for an eye is turned upside down ... arguing that this is the law.
      Such legalists themselves saw the branch on which they sit, forgetting that the law must be based on justice ... evil must be punished in any case.

      I remember in the early 2000s the granddaughter of a Moscow law professor, who advocated the abolition of the IC, was killed in order to take possession of a foreign car, so after this unfortunate incident there was no more ardent advocate of the death penalty. All the good ones until he personally touches
  • Catfish
    Catfish 10 September 2021 05: 49
    +18
    But what kind of pedophiles do we see on the screen - desperate marginals, alcoholics and drug addicts, for the most part living at the very bottom of society. With all due respect to the opinions of others, where did such resources for corruption come from? What can they pay to frame an innocent person?

    Here the key word is "we see on the screen", and we see what is shown, and show what we consider necessary to show.
    Pedophilia is the same pathology as homosexuality, and perverts live not only at the very bottom of society, but those who sit higher will find both the means and connections in order to smear themselves or their relatives, and shove any other person into the noose.
    I am with both hands for the destruction of such scum, but given the state of the judicial and law enforcement agencies in our country, I am afraid that Sharapov's words will come true: "Then it will not be a law, but a brush!"
    And we have already passed this, in the recent past.
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 10 September 2021 09: 15
      +4
      Kostya, hi!
      Pedophilia is a pathology, only this pathology must be looked at through the eyes of a pedophile. It was mentioned more than once that he had served time, and a new crime was released. The pedophile cannot control himself. In some countries, chemical castration has been introduced and many pedophiles go for it deliberately, but this is not an option. My opinion. For the crime he served and after the end of the term 100% isolation from society for life.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 10 September 2021 09: 21
        +4
        Hi Sasha!
        And if he served time, then where to isolate him, to send mines to the Franz Josef Land to dig?
        Yes, I mean, in general, about those who are from the cohort of "untouchables", society itself should be healthy enough so that the criminal would sit or stand at the wall, regardless of whether he is related to the lower or upper classes. Unfortunately, we do not have this even close, we do not even have reliable information.
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 10 September 2021 09: 38
          +5
          I'm talking about pedophiles. This should be viewed as an incurable disease dangerous to society.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 September 2021 10: 09
            +3
            So I, too, about them. And some pedophile is already minus, and perverts have already started here.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 10 September 2021 10: 51
              -3
              And some pedophile is already minus, and perverts have already started here
              Here, damn it ... and here all sorts, a handful ... it is necessary to identify and arrange a hunt, on a voluntary basis !? am
            2. Captain45
              Captain45 10 September 2021 12: 48
              +5
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Hi Sasha!
              And if he served time, then where to isolate him, to send mines to the Franz Josef Land to dig?

              Quote: ee2100
              I'm talking about pedophiles. This should be viewed as an incurable disease dangerous to society.

              I apologize for interfering, but from my point of view, especially considering my experience in opera in the Ugro from 1985 to 2005, all this scum surfaced in the "dashing 90s". There were also perverted renegades during the Soviet era, but this went through closed reports, for example, sorting through my archive, I found an orientation towards a criminal named "Fisher" (who does not know this Sergey Golovkin, who killed boys in the garage), so even in Orientation was told that this is a dangerous criminal, but it was not specifically indicated what he did. And as all these films about Hannibal Lector went before the chainsaw massacre, these demons intensified their mental state, especially since the Ministry of Internal Affairs and psychiatric hospitals simply lost control of this category due to what was happening in the country, and they climbed into the gamer with terrible force, everyone wanted to become a pancake Eurocivilized, and now, as in the song, it is impossible to turn the minced meat back and the meat cannot be restored from the cutlets.
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 10 September 2021 16: 00
                0
                The fact that the media and cinema stimulate the most negative is known for a long time. The story of another pedophile is 2-3 days as a reason for talking to various figures and the media
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 10 September 2021 10: 55
        -3
        The pedophile cannot control himself. In some countries, chemical castration has been introduced and many pedophiles go for it deliberately, but this is not an option. My opinion. For the crime he served and after the end of the term 100% isolation from society for life.
        Many places can be sent, even to experiments on new medicinal and vaccines, if without a mortal ... let her redeem her health, and how many will live in the prison laboratory, how will they decide, high and not in this world !?
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 10 September 2021 10: 49
      -1
      Konstantin, greetings ... hi
      I am with both hands for the destruction of such scum, but given the state of the judicial and law enforcement agencies in our country, I am afraid that Sharapov's words will come true: "Then it will not be a law, but a brush!"

      Already unsubscribed above ...
      Himself, like the father of two daughters ... the topic grabs a living and the hand firmly reaches for the safe ... and there, the boxes glisten softly, with faithful "friends", 45 GAP and .357 Mag, even humanity squeakily shuts up and "do not kill "goes on a" joint vacation ", only icy calmness and lack of justice in this world !!! No.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 10 September 2021 11: 11
        +1
        Hi Denis! hi
        I myself would have enrolled in a firing squad to end these, but there is no such "command", and if you feed the pervert with lead, the state, oddly enough, will stand up for him and you and put you in jail for this good deed. This is also a kind of perversion - not so much you are protected from the criminal, as this criminal from you. request
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 10 September 2021 12: 17
          +1
          I myself would have signed up for a firing squad to finish these, but there is no such "command", but if you feed the pervert yourself with lead
          Well, yes ... so sometimes I catch myself thinking that I live at the wrong time and do a lot of peaceful and almost unnecessary business in reality .. and mechanisms do not suffer "like" when there is so much "work" with these perverts .. , can be found !? yes
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 September 2021 12: 31
            0
            And you look at how many pedophiles there are on the site, is a normal person going to put downsides in this topic?
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 10 September 2021 12: 39
              0
              And you look at how many pedophiles there are on the site, is a normal person going to put downsides in this topic?
              Straight, annoying ... really, the thoughts are amazingly dark !!! recourse
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 September 2021 12: 42
                0
                And these squalors climb into any topic on the site, although they have no ear or snout in any - it sucks.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 10 September 2021 13: 29
                  0
                  And these squalors climb into any topic on the site, although in any they have no ear or snout - it sucks
                  Well, apparently a compensatory syndrome, but the money for a big car ... that is dumb !? laughing
        2. frog
          frog 10 September 2021 14: 27
          +4
          I would have signed up for a firing squad myself to finish these

          Colleague, can you get more details from this metsa? No, I do not at all advocate for these or for any others ... And there is certainly a certain meaning in Vera Mikhailovna. From just not in the current state of the burial, sorry, organs .... here they have already spoken out on this topic, I could add, but I don't see the point. Because sapienti sat ....
          But about signing up for a firing squad ..... Think for a couple of minutes how it might look like ...... Moreover, the event will not be a one-time event ...... If you want to discuss it, you can go to PM , to avoid repeat
          1. FIR FIR
            FIR FIR 10 September 2021 18: 21
            +1
            Quote: frog
            But about signing up for a firing squad ..... Think for a couple of minutes how it might look like ...... Moreover, the event will not be a one-time event ......

            I wrote it without thinking.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 10 September 2021 23: 23
            -1
            I have already spoken about the current government above:
            I am with both hands for the destruction of such scum, but given the state of the judicial and law enforcement agencies in our country, I am afraid that Sharapov's words will come true: "Then it will not be a law, but a brush!"
            And we have already passed this, in the recent past.

            I see no reason to continue, and the "firing squad" is just a metaphor.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 10 September 2021 23: 42
              -1
              Quote: Sea Cat
              and the "firing squad" is just a metaphor.

              Comrade, I just got ready to practice shooting pedophiles and other homos. am
              I really want to pour buckshot into a 12 gauge egg for them and shoot this action on the phone for YouTube and tik-tok online.
              It will be the best reality show !!!
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 September 2021 23: 56
                0
                Better coarse salt - in the same place. And repeat if he wakes up.
            2. frog
              frog 12 September 2021 13: 45
              0
              "firing squad" is just a metaphor.

              Well, if this is a metaphor for someone, the question is removed as inappropriate. Although how can these .... employees be a metaphor .... I personally do not understand. But these are my problems .....
        3. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 10 September 2021 23: 49
          +1
          Quote: Sea Cat
          then the state, oddly enough, will stand up for its protection and yourself and put you in jail for this good deed. This is also a kind of perversion - not so much you are protected from the criminal, as this criminal from you.

          The defender of this kind of criminals is more terrible than the criminal himself, therefore he must be punished more severely.
      2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 14: 09
        +6
        And if you make a mistake and everything is revealed, then you have the courage to put a bullet in your forehead?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 10 September 2021 14: 12
          -1
          if you make a mistake and everything is revealed, then you have the courage to put a bullet in your forehead?
          Why, suicide is a sin !? wink And it will not return anyone to the sinful Earth !!! request
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 10 September 2021 23: 45
          0
          And if you make a mistake and do not reveal it, and only you will know about it? Put a bullet in the forehead, so they will not understand from what alteration. wassat
  • out of habit
    out of habit 10 September 2021 05: 58
    +12
    They searched for Nastya Muravyova for a month and a half, I think. There were photos on all the poles and entrances. And they found it in the same place where it disappeared, at Lesobaz. The body was found a week after the murder. It turns out that they kept her somewhere for more than a month. Poor girl, rest in peace to her. I am for the watchtower, if only the overly conscientious citizens do not overdo it.
    1. Esso
      Esso 10 September 2021 09: 38
      +2
      She was kept in a neighboring house, he killed her on the day of the abduction, and then threw her body, frightened.
  • O. Bender
    O. Bender 10 September 2021 06: 07
    +8
    Only the death penalty, with a deferral of execution for a year. Let retribution await.
    1. vitvit123
      vitvit123 10 September 2021 07: 48
      +6
      I, too, are definitely in favor of the death penalty (no options), but so that the sentence is carried out in 3 years ... you never know what facts may appear and let it wait for three years ... or can they organize some kind of work (dangerous, harmful, etc.) etc.), but so that without medicine and so that they would not survive there for more than 2-3 years ...
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 10 September 2021 08: 56
      +5
      death penalty, with a deferral of execution for a year.

      And they were never shot instantly. After the verdict is passed, an appeal is made to all instances. After the refusal to review the case, the documents go to the president for signature, then go to the pardon commission, where they are considered. If everything remains in effect, he is sent to the execution of the sentence. Depending on the work of the bureaucrats, 3 to 5 years pass.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 10 September 2021 06: 15
    +6
    Voted for the death penalty, although I understand that it will not happen. Our secular elite is exactly like the light of the time of Alexander after Paul's death. He was infected with French liberalism, and Napoleon was extolled everywhere. The upbringing and education of children was only in French. According to liberals, a person who has committed a serious crime will still come to a bright understanding of life. Nov for these cases to remain outside the walls of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. I am afraid that with this level of publicity, normal people will turn into a kind of these beasts. And so we already have a cult of kulaks.
  • Hypertension
    Hypertension 10 September 2021 06: 29
    +6
    It is believed that the threat of the death penalty will lead to corruption.

    But what kind of pedophiles do we see on the screen - desperate marginals, alcoholics and drug addicts, for the most part living at the very bottom of society. With all due respect to the opinions of others, where did such resources for corruption come from? What can they pay to frame an innocent person?

    Such people just come across more often. IMHO such people are also found among the rich, but just the same they pay off.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 10 September 2021 06: 36
      +3
      Such people just come across more often. IMHO such people are also found among the rich, but just the same they pay off.

      Yes, everything is official there. The truth is outside of Russia.
  • Sentinel-vs
    Sentinel-vs 10 September 2021 06: 37
    +27
    In Yekaterinburg, in the recent past, we had two high-profile cases.
    1) The coach sat on the couch and filled out a magazine. A teenage girl sat down next to her. (I emphasize that all this was under the supervision of a camera). That's all. Mom and Dad filed a statement that the coach was masturbating, hiding behind a magazine in full view of the girl. Nothing in particular is noticeable in the video. The coach went to the zone for 8 years. Until now, most of the Ekb population speaks out in support of the coach and is shocked by the verdict. They say that all this was promoted within the framework of a competitive struggle. The girl's parents are somehow tied up with direct competitors of this coach or this sports club, I don't remember exactly.
    2) An elderly 84-year-old coach was again accused of pedophilia. According to the investigation, the man touched the 11-year-old pupil through the clothes. This happened on February 18, and on February 26 he wrote a confession.
    The man's lawyers argue that there is no real evidence of his guilt in the case, the confessions from the elderly coach were tricked, and the words of the schoolgirl are refuted by the testimony of witnesses, video recording and expert examinations.

    That's it. And you, zealous apologists of the death penalty, are not afraid that you can be easily set up if you just find yourself at some point alone with a teenager, walk by, and later the policemen and parents of the teenager will come for you with a statement. And a bullet in your head for that later.
    Very thin ice this article.
    If a real pedophile, caught red-handed, and if he also killed the victim. There are no options. I am also for the highest measure, because the colony, as a rule, will not fix such monsters.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 06: 54
      0
      Apologists for the death penalty have small children ... and least of all they want their children to fall into the clutches of a pedophile murderer.
      Errors of the investigation have always been, are and will be ... unintentional and deliberate ... this is a question of the professional suitability of investigators, operatives, judges ... there is no need to roll a barrel at the people.
    2. out of habit
      out of habit 10 September 2021 07: 16
      +2
      And what, they are imprisoned for masturbation today?
      1. Sentinel-vs
        Sentinel-vs 10 September 2021 07: 29
        +7
        If done in front of a minor child, then this is already a sexual act in relation to minors, etc. As can be seen from the verdict, they are imprisoned, and the term, as for the murder, was given.
        1. Asad
          Asad 10 September 2021 08: 28
          +13
          An acquaintance of mine was imprisoned for six years for pedophilia. Very briefly, I slept drunk at home on the second floor, my wife was cooking on the first. A neighbor's girl ran up to play with their granddaughter who was not at home, started running around the house and ran to the second floor and immediately ran away. As a result, a 65-year-old retiree has no proof, except for the conclusions of a specialist psychologist, while the minimum wage under this article is 12 years old! So after that I go around the children, I don't go into the elevator if there are youngsters in it. God forbid, the executioners themselves do not get under the distribution.
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 10 September 2021 08: 37
        +5
        in Moscow time, the type stayed in the detention center for 4 years because the girls told their parents that they were afraid to go to school because they ran home at the entrance of the jerk-type .. then after 3 years they admitted that they just did not want to go to school .. and the parents were trying to achieve to let the person out ..
    3. gohomeyanki
      gohomeyanki 10 September 2021 08: 11
      -4
      about what thin ice the case comrade, there is violence, this is when he shoved it out. Proof of biomaterial residues. If you do not know, but touching something, you leave your cells, now you have learned how to collect them.

      + murder.
      1. your1970
        your1970 10 September 2021 09: 18
        +5
        Quote: gohomeyanki
        about what thin ice the case comrade, there is violence, this is when he shoved it out. Proof of biomaterial residues.

        Uh-huh, and then - "Drunk Boys" appear .... Are you not afraid of the expert's low qualifications? !!!!
        1. gohomeyanki
          gohomeyanki 10 September 2021 10: 01
          -5
          What kind of drunken boys are we talking about? And how your biomaterials get into the genitals of another person.
          And experts are at the computers, well, actually, there may be not one, but a dozen of them and + AI, then the probability.

          And these your defenses of criminals, for me, feel like vile, as soon as you face a crime against yourself, or someone who is dear to you. Your opinion will change dramatically if you are not a pervert.
          1. your1970
            your1970 10 September 2021 11: 54
            +6
            Quote: gohomeyanki
            And these your defenses of criminals, for me, feel like vile, as soon as you face a crime against yourself, or whoever is dear to you

            Meeeeeeeedno, by syllables - "drunk boy." more bottles of vodka.

            Quote: gohomeyanki
            And how your biomaterials get into the genitals of another person.

            I won't even mention Kazan and a bottle of champagne ...
            You confess to anything - it all depends on the conscience and fear of the interrogator.
            If in the absolute USSR the cops killed the major (!!!) of the KGB on Zhdanovskaya, then I have no doubt for a second that they would have hanged rape on a mere mortal in half an hour. Well, the assassination of Kennedy at the same time ...
            If you think that something has changed globally since then, not at all. The factor of big money was just added ...
            1. gohomeyanki
              gohomeyanki 10 September 2021 14: 40
              -4
              It doesn't matter to me who is there and what is drinking, and where did you get the idea that he is a boy, I'm not interested in discussing these details at all, savor them yourself.

              You take one event and extrapolate to the masses, it doesn't work that way.
              And why are these snot about cop outrage, I heard it in full. I WILL DISCOVER THE SECRET, if the trash wants, he will substitute you by planting drugs, and even your consciousness is not needed. Get it as well as for murder, and prepared guys will meet you in prison.

              And then answer the question, why do you need such soft and humane punishments for heavy articles ??
              1. your1970
                your1970 12 September 2021 22: 01
                +1
                Quote: gohomeyanki
                I don't care who is there and what drinks, and where did you get the idea that he is a boy,

                and you are somewhere far away - once you have not heard this loud story five years ago. The whole country was discussing for a long time, they showed it on TV, the Internet was seething with might and main ...
                Quote: gohomeyanki
                if the garbage wants, he will substitute you by planting drugs, and even your consciousness is not needed. Get it as well as for murder, and prepared guys will meet you in prison.
                - it comes to you extremely slowly (apparently you are really, well, very far away) - on drugs you will be given a maximum of 10 as a first move and a small amount ...
                But for pedophilia you will be given a vyshak ... and no one will meet you - because you will be sitting alone
          2. Icarus
            Icarus 10 September 2021 16: 47
            +1
            And how your biomaterials will end up in another person's genitals

            Let's say you, well, not you, of course, but some kind of "abnormal" who returned from a long campaign (teachings), went to a prostitute. Do you think she will have "biomaterial"? Will she sell it if asked? Further a matter of technology.
            And the saying "made with a finger" (when a woman sperm herself) is not taken from scratch.
            1. gohomeyanki
              gohomeyanki 10 September 2021 19: 02
              -2
              This is a very complex scheme, and in which outsiders are involved. Those. this is unlikely.
              sense for a policeman to get into this: a prostitute / child, teenager. All unreliable personalities will split "at the very first jump."

              If we talk about the investigation and its confusion, then I am not a follower, but proceeding from the fact that a person now knows how to determine by the bones how old they are. Timings will not converge and if a person has an alibi, they will very quickly go to a prostitute, and then there will be an additional one. hook on the maniac. )
        2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 14: 17
          +6
          It is only in the series "FES" that experts reveal the impossible, but in real life, low qualifications take place, and mistakes, and fatigue, and indifference, and much, much more. When it doesn't concern us, we are all clever here! And touch sit down for what you did not do? By the way, world statistics say that 30% of those sitting are innocent. But they are sitting. Alas. These are realities.
    4. Glory1974
      Glory1974 10 September 2021 08: 59
      +6
      And you, zealous apologists of the death penalty, are not afraid that you can be easily set up if you just find yourself at some point alone with a teenager, walk by, and later the policemen and parents of the teenager will come for you with a statement.

      It's about proven biological traces and the murder of a child. Sexual harassment is a very slippery topic. Vanstein was sentenced for harassment 20 years ago, of course this will not be
      must.
    5. Weddinger
      Weddinger 11 September 2021 02: 54
      -2
      The coach sat on the couch and filled out a magazine.
      Since the coach is at work, then most likely he was not wearing wide "family" panties of the Soviet type, but something tightening, like swimming trunks. he scratched IT, not paying attention. So he honestly deserved his 8 years.

      People do a lot of things unconsciously, for example, walking down the street, they step over uneven roads or puddles without noticing it (that is, the eyes see, the legs react, and all this passes by consciousness). Also, standing or sitting people begin to touch different parts of the body with their hands or scratch themselves (if the hands are not occupied with a toy such as a mobile phone)

      It is just necessary to build the second track of the BAM to increase the export of raw materials to China, million-plus cities in Siberia, and this requires a lot of strong healthy men working for free
      1. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 11 September 2021 16: 47
        +1
        So he honestly deserved his 8 years.

        Hope it was sarcasm?
        If not, then it is better for boys to be castrated at birth, so that IT is guaranteed not to scratch, and so that especially cunning youngsters cannot break their lives in the future. It's sarcasm.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 10 September 2021 06: 38
    +1
    You can pour from empty to empty after each case. Something always prevents our government from taking certain actions, in this case, lifting the moratorium. That "dashing 90s", then covid, then something else.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 10 September 2021 06: 46
    +9
    The death penalty for the marginalized pedophiles, and for the hidden, rich and high-ranking pedophiles, for whom money is everything, for them what? For now, before the law, not everyone is equal, some are more equal than others.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 10 September 2021 06: 52
    .
    Only punish with death. All who are against, if not the pedophiles themselves, then sympathizers and using the services of minors.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 10 September 2021 06: 56
    +11
    Pedophiles, of course, must be destroyed. But who determines whether or not a pedophile is a pedophile? Police? The prosecutor's office? Do you really think that in a country where all government agencies are full of daughters / sons, where everything is done through the ass, there will be an honest professional investigation? I made a remark on the street to a swearing drunken brat, she rolled a statement, you to the wall. Eliminate such cases? 100%?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 07: 06
      .
      Capture and document everything ... this is an ironclad argument ... only proven facts matter in court.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 10 September 2021 07: 09
        +11
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Capture everything on video ... it's an ironclad argument.


        In the comment above, the coach was sitting under the camera. Now he sits in the zone. What epithets can be applied to investigators and investigators?
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 07: 16
          -7
          I have not seen the video and the protocols of the investigation ... I find it difficult to say anything about this.
          If the trainer is really not to blame, the operatives and investigators will be responsible for fabricating the case ... And the trainer must file an application with the prosecutor, in court against specific people for libel and demand compensation.
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 10 September 2021 07: 22
            +8
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            I have not seen the video and the protocols of the investigation ... I find it difficult to say anything about this.
            If the trainer is really not to blame, the operatives and investigators will be responsible for fabricating the case ... And the trainer must file an application with the prosecutor, in court against specific people for libel and demand compensation.


            The coach is sitting. Nobody will be responsible for anything. It's Russia. They don't give up their own.
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 07: 37
              -9
              While he is sitting, let him study the laws of Russia thoroughly and hire an experienced lawyer and human rights activist ... and then everything depends on him ... if it is not his fault, fight for the truth ... no one will do anything for him ... as you correctly said Russia ...
              1. sergo1914
                sergo1914 10 September 2021 07: 57
                +7
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                While he is sitting, let him study the laws of Russia thoroughly and hire an experienced lawyer and human rights activist ... and then everything depends on him ... if it is not his fault, fight for the truth ... no one will do anything for him ... as you correctly said Russia ...


                Funny. Itself (with a group of offended) I am suing the local administration. For a year already. Documents, arguments, laws - everything is on the side. We go to the authorities as to work. NOTHING.
                1. Lech from Android.
                  Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 08: 24
                  -6
                  No other normal way has yet been invented to resolve conflicts between the parties.
                  1. sergo1914
                    sergo1914 10 September 2021 09: 29
                    +4
                    Quote: Lech from Android.
                    No other normal way has yet been invented to resolve conflicts between the parties.


                    Invented. Comply with your own invented laws and regulations.
              2. your1970
                your1970 10 September 2021 09: 21
                +5
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                While he is in prison, let him carefully study the laws of Russia and hire an experienced lawyer and human rights activist.

                Let me remind you, for this they offer to shoot !!! The deceased will study the laws and look for a lawyer ??? !!!!
              3. Sergey M. Karasev
                Sergey M. Karasev 11 September 2021 16: 54
                +1
                If after his release he is especially zealous to fight for the truth, the investigator will arrange for him, say, to plant drugs. He will have such opportunities and he will take advantage of them, otherwise it is not comme il faut to lose shoulder straps ...
                as you rightly said it is Russia.

                And in Russia, it is not the one who is right who is right, but who is more right.
            2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
              Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2021 14: 23
              +1
              This is not only in Russia - I now live in Ukraine and know a couple of cases of innocent prisoners. The human factor, however. Everywhere and at all times this has been, is and will be. But it is quite another matter that the shooting is irreversible. Therefore, I am for a moratorium, although exceptions can and should be made! However, see for yourself: the United States, China and Iran are dashing to execute their citizens and nothing. And there are mistakes there too, I'm sure.
          2. Sentinel-vs
            Sentinel-vs 10 September 2021 07: 45
            +6
            And the coach must file an application with the prosecutor, with the court against specific people for libel and demand compensation.

            You see, say that the coach needs to file according to the authorities, etc. And they will be slapped under the firing squad and no one will file anywhere. Don't you feel where the thin spot is?
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 08: 18
              -4
              And how many of these have spanked? There is no thin place here.
              Much more children die from rapists and murderers ... a lot.
              And often from recidivists who were released and gained access to defenseless children.
              I saw how these nits scoff at them ... it's hard to endure ... I want to finish them off on the spot.
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  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 September 2021 07: 15
    +9
    The question is how pedafiles and others under similar articles of the Criminal Code go out on parole. Voted for life. Knowing our court proceedings, you can easily get shot from an offended wife with children.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 07: 25
      +1
      In this way, any man can be attracted for scratching his balls where it is not necessary ... here, excuse me for the ears, everything is far-fetched ... Where it is written in the law that you cannot scratch them ... and if you are imprisoned for this, then something is wrong purely with the investigation ... again, the evidence base must be irrefutable and without any doubt.
      1. your1970
        your1970 10 September 2021 09: 23
        +4
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        the consequence ... again, the evidence base must be irrefutable and without any doubt.

        Only the Lord God knows everyone ... All the rest Together (police, court, citizens) - may have an interest
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 10 September 2021 09: 03
      +4
      The question is how pedafiles and others under similar articles of the Criminal Code are issued on parole

      Moreover, it turns out in our country that life-sentenced prisoners have the right to be released after 25 years of imprisonment. A few days ago, several people were released from the zone, who were sentenced to life in prison for murder since the 90s. I don’t know what they will do in the wild, but somehow I don’t want these murderers to live in my entrance.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 10 September 2021 07: 22
    +1
    Ivan the Terrible is not on them am
  • kimdmitri
    kimdmitri 10 September 2021 07: 35
    +3
    Quote: Sentinel-vs
    And you, zealous apologists of the death penalty, are not afraid of being easily set up

    They are saints and immortals, why should they be afraid? *sarcasm
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 07: 49
      -1
      No ... they are the same people as you, worried about their children and relatives and they also do not want to end up in prison on false charges.
      But understand that the search, investigation, punishment was undertaken by the state and we all of its citizens have the right to demand that it correctly and accurately perform its functions.
      Always, if an innocent person is imprisoned, the question should be brought to those who imprisoned him, and professionally he performed his duties as an operative, investigator, judge?
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 10 September 2021 08: 48
        +6
        if you are talking about theory, then you are right .. but the practice, as always, is very different from theory .. if there were no landings such as the above wrote, then I am for shooting (with violence against minors) .. but! as long as they are, against .. when the investigation will work flawlessly, and not imprison a person just because they wrote a statement without evidence, then the shooting.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 10 September 2021 07: 39
    +9
    If the fault is 100% proven, then yes. And if not the individual who is suspected? Difficult topic. For example, in Tyumen, teenagers began to disappear since 1997 (official version). The last case received strong publicity. In Tyumen, they even announced the arrival of the head of the Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin. And the miracle happened, the suspect was immediately found, quickly took the blame. Things are good. But questions and concerns remained. 8 more teenagers continue to investigate the disappearance. Was there a "series"? And if there was a "series", will there be a continuation? And if not a series, then who? Why has all this been going on since 1997 and the results of investigations are minimal? What then have the law enforcement agencies been doing in Tyumen for so many years? Or is it only the surname Bastrykin that can influence the results of the investigation? And surely the suspect did it? Can Tyumen's parents be calm about their children?
    [media = https: //www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2021/08/24/n_16424162.shtml? updated]
  • kimdmitri
    kimdmitri 10 September 2021 07: 46
    +9
    1. The article is manipulative, designed for emotional fools
    2. The problem is covered one-sidedly
    3. Both in the article and in the poll-voting, the author clearly pushes the reader to choose "the only correct solution."
    4. Fools are fooled, vote and write righteous angry comments. You were bred like suckers!
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 07: 58
      -2
      You were bred like suckers!

      Yah smile... and after reading the article for whom do you propose to vote dear?
      1. kimdmitri
        kimdmitri 10 September 2021 08: 02
        0
        What's the point? It's like choosing between United Russia and the Liberal Democratic Party. Sitting down to play with a sharpie, you agree to be deceived.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 08: 08
          +2
          After reading the article, I did not think at all about these parties, and I did not think about the elections either.
          The state should function regardless of which party is in power.
          I don't play games with United Russia and the Liberal Democratic Party.
          In vain you are pulling an owl on the globe. smile
          1. kimdmitri
            kimdmitri 10 September 2021 08: 16
            0
            This was just an obvious example. Instead of parties, there could be borscht and herring, KIA and Hyundai, etc. Look at the root.
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 08: 51
              +2
              What a root ... when I don't care about the word at all. what
    2. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 10 September 2021 11: 15
      0
      Quote: kimdmitri
      You were bred like suckers!

      Would you mind explaining the essence of the "divorce"? Otherwise, I don’t understand why, if there is an item: -
      Other, in the comments
      , me
      Quote: kimdmitri
      the author is clearly pushing for the choice of "the only correct solution."
      .
  • Motivatornick
    Motivatornick 10 September 2021 07: 56
    +4
    Yes, here in our yard just yesterday a man grabbed a 9-year-old kid by the hand on the sports ground. He began to drag, he did not get confused and began to call, the man left. Be careful.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 08: 01
      0
      9 years old, grade 3 is no longer a kid. what
    2. your1970
      your1970 10 September 2021 09: 27
      +3
      Quote: Motivatornick
      Yes, here in our yard just yesterday a man grabbed a 9-year-old kid by the hand on the sports ground. He began to drag, he did not get confused and began to call, the man left. Be careful.

      Then there will be no one to teach physical education - any touch - "He / she squeezed me !!!"
      And even women will not help girls, men will not help boys. What if they are for same-sex love?
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 10 September 2021 08: 00
    +1
    And what will they think of us in Europe? Ugh damn it, this eternal glance at Europe (further unprintable).
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 08: 10
      0
      And in Europe they know what I think of her? hi
      If they find out, then only through a translator from an abnormal Russian into a normal European language.
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 10 September 2021 08: 13
        0
        And Europe absolutely does not care whether we think about it or not, the main thing is that key decisions are made with an eye on it, and even better with their consent.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 10 September 2021 08: 52
          0
          The main thing is what we think of her ... Spit what they take there.
      2. Dimy4
        Dimy4 10 September 2021 08: 25
        +2
        In our country, by the way, the killer was found only in 19, who raped and killed a 2003-year-old girl in 16.
  • realist
    realist 10 September 2021 08: 20
    +9
    I agree that some criminals should be executed. but I know from my own experience how justice works in this country. anyone can be made guilty.
    if everything is proven and the person is really to blame (breakvik for example), then of course, to execute.
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 10 September 2021 22: 20
      +1
      Quote: realist
      anyone can be made guilty.
      if everything is proven and the person is really to blame (breakvik for example), then of course, to execute.

      The error could be anywhere. Even an electron is here and there; I'm generally silent for Breivik (are you sure you're not mistaken?). You just need to put a comma: you cannot be pardoned to execute.
      1. realist
        realist 20 September 2021 07: 55
        0
        execute. not everyone deserves to live.
  • zan_parti
    zan_parti 10 September 2021 08: 21
    +2
    He voted "for the death penalty", but not for execution, but for work in a very harmful place. First, let him work and suffer for five years. And secondly - if there is a miscarriage of justice, there is a chance for an innocent to survive
  • Max PV
    Max PV 10 September 2021 08: 35
    +1
    In principle, for the death penalty for creatures, but given the high probability of a miscarriage of justice, in our conditions, I think that life imprisonment would be optimal, but not as now in a cell with comforts and walks, but to make concrete boxes 2x2x2 meters with two holes in the wall and floor, one for the "entrance" of the zhrachki, and the second for the "exit". Place a reinforced concrete block inside such a crane from above, and for opening without a court decision and the president's signature, under any circumstances, placing the perpetrators in neighboring ones. And feed with crushed potato peelings and breadcrumbs, which after cooking the food will remain for the guards. And in terms of costs, it will be even cheaper than shooting, and 100% more terrible, and, in case of an error in the investigation, you can release the person. And, most importantly, no parole and legislatively establish the same life sentence for an attempt to revise the legislation and the rules for maintaining such life sentences, regardless of office and immunity.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 10 September 2021 09: 02
    +3
    Nevzorov recently answered this question - draw your own conclusions
    We have another big topic for everyone - this is the topic of the murders of two girls in Kuzbass, rape and murder. And a reminder that these creatures are pedophiles, they are always somewhere nearby, they are always wandering somewhere, somewhere breathing around the corner, they are looking at the sandboxes with our children, they are looking at our boys. They wiggle their fingers when they see our 10 year old girls. And they are dissolved in this any society. And it is useless to intimidate this with some capital punishment, executions, because that pathology, that painful, black passion that controls it, it is stronger than any fear. I've seen a lot of such maniacs. Here is a kleptomaniac - he cannot help stealing, even if he knows that he will be caught and disgraced. An arachnophobe will never restrain a wild scream when he sees a huge spider on his face, even if he understands that screaming in no case should be. And now a pedophile, he also cannot overcome the attraction. This is all superbly described by everyone from Kraft-Ebing to the masters and stars of clinical psychiatry.

    But look, damn it, for three years, for a mysterious reason for everyone, a new standard has been gathering dust in the bins of the State Duma, which was proposed 4 years ago, 3 years ago it was considered for the first time, which would guarantee all pedophiles simply calmly life imprisonment. It's simple and straightforward: once - and that's it. Maybe even half a time. And until the end of his days without options. And it doesn't matter if it is a genome trick, a congenital pathology, which is completely unimportant. Well, someone was so unlucky, so what to do. Someone rips off the leg, and someone tears away freedom and destiny. In the end, we will survive ...

    The law has not yet been passed
  • Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 10 September 2021 09: 06
    +4
    If the police are unable to protect children from recidivist pedophiles, then maybe
    sheer amateurism.
    An article from the series will now introduce the death penalty and then life will get better. Some emotions, after almost every sentence, you can put an exclamation mark.
    Despite the fact that I am a supporter of the introduction of the death penalty and the expansion of the list of crimes for which it can be assigned (or even better, for some it was uncontested), but after reading the example with Chikotila I spat and did not finish reading this opus ... Maybe I'll get acquainted later.
  • Forcecom
    Forcecom 10 September 2021 09: 37
    -1
    No, all the same, in the good old practice of the Execution Ground, where public executions took place, there was something good and useful, the people gathered, looked at the "show", and some stupid heads had their brains in place, looking like another fanatic's arms were torn off.
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 September 2021 12: 01
      +3
      Quote: Forcecom
      All the same, in the good old practice of the Execution Ground, where public executions took place, there was something good and useful,

      300 (!!!!) all the Middle Ages roasted counterfeiters alive in oil. Throughout the cities there was a smell of deep-fried meat .. Was it eradicated ??? Yeah ..

      1300(just think !!!!) years in Islam a woman is stoned to death for adultery. Until now, in some countries ...
      For 1300 years, women did not get it ...
  • Mishka78
    Mishka78 10 September 2021 09: 42
    +2
    The murderer-rapists certainly need execution. But the problem is that this is pure populism.
    We will not resume its use in the coming years. And maybe never.

    A life sentence for everyone would eliminate a relapse (koi occur in almost half of the cases after leaving the zone). But again there is a "BUT". First, you need to somehow bring the law enforcement practice into line - now the average term in the Russian Federation for premeditated murder is 7 years (!), And how to execute or imprison a rapist (not a killer) for life if the ghoul who committed premeditated murder is released after 7 years ?
  • datura23
    datura23 10 September 2021 09: 47
    -4
    Pedophile - should be illegal, killing a pedophile should not be prosecuted
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 September 2021 12: 05
      +6
      Quote: datura23
      Pedophile - should be illegal, killing a pedophile should not be prosecuted

      So Weinstein's example didn't teach you anything?
      A smart layout for suckers will be - "Here is a child - you squeezed him and tried to rape him .. Drive the grandmother !!!"
      1. datura23
        datura23 11 September 2021 05: 37
        -2
        Anyone who justifies the impossibility of destroying a pedophile, firstly, does not have children of his own, and secondly, in my eyes, he makes himself a breakdown, since the Pedophile himself
  • Terran ghost
    Terran ghost 10 September 2021 09: 58
    +6
    Was this execution a mistake or did Kravchenko still get a real punishment?

    What do you mean "the real punishment has overtaken"? The person is either guilty of the particular crime for which he was tried or not. Arguments like "there is no smoke without fire" in such aspects are initially vicious and deceitful, and open the way for unprecedented arbitrariness, of which absolutely any person can become a victim ...
    We would like to remind defenders of the moratorium on the death penalty that over the past decades, the accuracy of identification has come very close to absolute. So much so that common sense allows you to neglect a possible mistake.

    Yes? And where is the guarantee that the confessionary testimony will not be "knocked out" of the accused under torture? That the court, contrary to the law, will not go with an initially accusatory bias simply because the judge, again in violation of the Constitution and the law, "feels himself bound by" guild solidarity "with law enforcement and investigative bodies?

    Well, one more thing. The introduction of the death penalty for one composition of a particularly grave crime (especially in the case when the condition for its application is not made "the burden of the crime by the premeditated murder of the victim") creates a nonzero probability that the number of "execution articles" will continue to grow.
    1. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 10 September 2021 11: 06
      +1
      Quote: Terran Ghost
      And where is the guarantee that the confessionary testimony will not be "knocked out" of the accused under torture? That the court, contrary to the law, will not go with an initially accusatory bias simply because the judge, again in violation of the Constitution and the law, "feels himself bound by" guild solidarity "with law enforcement and investigative bodies?

      The guarantee, as they say, is given by the watch factory. And from the cases described by you, a deferral for the execution of the sentence, say, for 5-10 years, in case of "newly discovered circumstances" and other casuistry, would be quite suitable, and the period of the deferral should be considered in each individual case by the jury.
      1. your1970
        your1970 10 September 2021 12: 12
        +2
        Quote: fyvaprold
        execution of a sentence, say, for 5-10 years, in case of "newly discovered circumstances" and other casuistry,

        In the early 1970s, our father raped his daughter, killed her and took her out to the field, where he buried her. A neighbor saw all this and blackmailed him for 20 years. In the 1990s, he stopped paying and his neighbor turned him in.
        In this case, the accused was a third person - but, fortunately, they could not prove his guilt. ...
        By this moment - the story of a neighbor - he would have rotted in the ground long ago
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 10 September 2021 10: 38
    +1
    If the death penalty is introduced, then it is necessary to return the confiscation of property from the accused (including his entire family, if they cannot prove the origin and purchase of property at their own expense)
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 September 2021 12: 14
      +3
      Quote: AlexFly
      If the death penalty is introduced, then it is necessary to return the confiscation of property from the accused (including his entire family,

      What does the family have to do with pedophilic tendencies ????
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 10 September 2021 14: 32
        -1
        Actually, this is my opinion about the introduction of the death penalty, and not about pedophilia ... Pedophilia is another story and to associate it with the revival of the death penalty is a momentary whim of the author of the article ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 13 September 2021 07: 14
          +1
          Quote: AlexFly
          Actually, this is my opinion about the introduction of the death penalty, and not about pedophilia ...

          When the "Heavenly Network" was created in China - a program to return fleeing corrupt officials and their money, literally 3 years later it turned out - that more than 90% of people could be returned to them, but only 0,7% of the corrupted money is forever. Returned covers less than a third program costs .....
          It was under the USSR that it was possible to confiscate everything, because there was nothing special to confiscate, and even then, too, a lot was hidden ...
          And now ...
  • fyvaprold
    fyvaprold 10 September 2021 11: 01
    0
    There is no need to "restore" the death penalty, since no one has abolished it. It is only necessary to lift the moratorium on the application. And not only to pedophiles. Moreover, the moratorium restricts the use of the death penalty only to admissions, which are passed without the participation of a jury (in theory, on paper).
  • Alexeevich0010
    Alexeevich0010 10 September 2021 11: 13
    -4
    for theft from the treasury, pedophilia, terrorism, drug distribution, hang up.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 10 September 2021 21: 58
      0
      I presented a picture of hundreds of empty cars and motorists sticking out on stakes, greasing striped stick insects. laughing
      1. Alexeevich0010
        Alexeevich0010 11 September 2021 15: 22
        -1
        will become cleaner. A person who thinks that for money he can even spit a little on a law-giving a bribe is already nechelovek. IMHO ps. cons directly show the duplicity of society - we want to live well, but we don’t want to count)
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 11 September 2021 22: 18
          +1
          We are not supposed to live well. Laws are written specifically for us, those who write, at the suggestion of those at the trough, are not going to comply with them. But also for a count, not at all.
          1. your1970
            your1970 13 September 2021 07: 19
            +1
            If bribes are put on a stake for GIVING, the traffic cops will become the most NOT corrupt body ...
            On a stake for trying to pay off for an unfastened seat belt- belay belay
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 10 September 2021 11: 18
    0
    In Soviet times, and even in the 90s, such ki did not even reach the places of serving their sentences, if they were given a sentence, but not in / m ... but now they arrive, sit out and go out ... the conclusion is unambiguous, this is not the place on earth among the living
  • RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 10 September 2021 11: 20
    0
    Was in the beginning for the mortal, then I thought, so what with that ??? let him suffer all his life, and if they are in the zone as a prostitute, it will not be sweet at all and he himself will leave this universe. Voted for life ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 September 2021 12: 15
      0
      Life prisoners sit individually in cells, maximum two ...
  • Sergey Zhikharev
    Sergey Zhikharev 10 September 2021 12: 10
    0
    Wait a minute, if pestirikov surrendered to go to prison, then with the introduction of the death penalty (for example, a month ago) he would not give up and commit several more murders?
    Give life, no pardon.
    And in the situation "new ones will come and release", the prisoners will obviously be less of a problem
  • Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 10 September 2021 12: 47
    +7
    Um ... what about cases of slander?
    I don’t know how true, but recently, just a month ago, there was a story in the news.
    A pensioner entered the entrance to scatter business cards in the mailboxes. Two girls accused him of sexual harassment, the man was sentenced to 13 years.
    The girls later confessed. that they slandered him to justify absenteeism from school. When we looked at the cameras, it turned out that the man was at the entrance for 2 (!!) minutes.
    How do I travel by public transport? Did you accidentally touch a boy / girl, death penalty? Yes, a great opportunity for blackmail!
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 10 September 2021 21: 26
      -3
      Quote: Not the fighter
      A pensioner entered the entrance to scatter business cards in the mailboxes. Two girls accused him of sexual harassment, the man was given 13 years.
      The girls later confessed. that they slandered him to justify absenteeism from school. When we looked at the cameras it turned out that the man was at the entrance for 2 (!!) minutes.

      After 13 years, did the cameras decide to look, where did they keep such an archive of video footage? It is a sin to deceive gullible and kind members of the forum with tales ...
      1. Non-fighter
        Non-fighter 10 September 2021 23: 10
        +2
        13 years have not passed there, these girls split earlier. And the principle is also important - because of the stipulation, you can sit for 15 years, and some who here generally offer lynching on the spot.
        Yes, and let's get a little fancy. Two girls come up to you, brazenly remove your face on a mobile phone and say: "Uncle, give me 10 thousand or you will sit for 15 years. I will write to the police that you showed me @@@ and promised heavenly pleasure, and my girlfriend will confirm it." Moreover, they will start bragging about their connections in the police, saying that they say you will sit in a detention center today, at most tomorrow. What are you going to do?
    2. Uran53
      Uran53 10 September 2021 21: 55
      0
      There is such a thing as expertise. The article says about it. And the establishment of a person's guilt is based on the results of the examination.
      1. your1970
        your1970 13 September 2021 07: 26
        0
        Quote: Uran53
        There is such a thing as expertise.

        There is .... "Drunken Boy", no?

        Already about possible corruption in this matter - generally keep quiet ...
        1. Uran53
          Uran53 13 September 2021 07: 49
          0
          On this basis, all prisons can be freed, since everywhere one can see a corruption component or a conflict of interests. "Drunken Boy" is still an exception, not a rule, and no one has canceled the jury trial.
          1. your1970
            your1970 13 September 2021 08: 12
            0
            Quote: Uran53
            the jury has not been canceled.

            Well, this is such a thing, very in itself ...
            Vera Zasulich - who came to the reception and killed in front of witnesses - trial by jury justified.... Though intent and fact of murder was there ... with witnesses and his own confession ...

            The fact of public influence, mistrust of the police and the investigation - can have a significant impact.
            At the present moment, their practice is mostly justifiable.
            Will they justify pedophiles if they don't like the investigation / investigators? More likely to be than not ...
  • ViacheslavS
    ViacheslavS 10 September 2021 12: 55
    0
    Nevertheless, sometimes it is possible to look at and adopt something from the "decaying" USA, for example, they have open information about all living people accused of such crimes, for example, specifically on the map you can see where they live, who, with a photo, a sentence and pr, for example:

    https://www.city-data.com/so/Kentucky.html
    https://www.city-data.com/so/New-York.html

    Plus, in some states (and maybe everywhere in them), such a person must notify his neighbors himself that he has such a criminal record. Because, nevertheless, not all pedophiles and molesters are confused, for example, demonstrating the genitals, they are given deadlines, but then these people go out, but since such people have the likelihood of a more severe relapse (not a 100% guarantee), such measures will help others and especially for children to be more attentive and the “pedophile” himself also feels constant observation of himself.
    As for the death penalty, well, everything is according to the "classics", to prohibit, tighten, shoot. And why the death penalty is only for pedophiles than a murderer who attacked an adult at night with a knife for the sake of robbery and who killed in the end, deserves more leniency, if you have already decided to lift the moratorium on the death penalty.
  • 2112vda
    2112vda 10 September 2021 13: 14
    +1
    On the Don, there was once an execution for rapists. They were sewn into a leather sack and thrown into the Don.
    The Zaporozhye Cossacks acted more interestingly. The holy rapist was laid in a coffin with three black cats and buried alive. The criminal learned "all the joys of leaving life" from the enraged cats. Well, in simple terms, child killers deserve to be impaled. Unfortunately, this also affected my family.
    1. your1970
      your1970 13 September 2021 07: 29
      0
      Quote: 2112vda
      On the Don, there was once an execution for rapists. They were sewn into a leather sack and thrown into the Don.
      The Zaporozhye Cossacks acted more interestingly. The holy rapist was laid in a coffin with three black cats and buried alive.

      Once it was TRADITION - means how prevention it didn't work at all .. ..
      Only for moral satisfaction ...
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 10 September 2021 13: 18
    +3
    Always touched by the reasoning of people who rush to the word "execute execute !!!" - excuse me, but who will execute? Forced people from the FSIN system? That is to say, volunteers on a salary (which implies a very specific voluntariness)? Maybe I will take those who wish from the street? Maybe those who like to breed angry snot themselves want to shoot some pedophile? No, it’s epic to imagine when you’re sitting at home on the couch sucking on beer - but if you raise your hand once, then again, will you get a taste of yourself, will you want to continue the banquet for the sake of thrill? Power over human life corrupts a person who lacks the brakes it is easy to take away - and whoever has enough, this fact can then drive a little crazy. After all, all our morality talks about value, "Thou shalt not kill" and so on. I'm not saying that these people are NOT WORTHY to die - just who will do it? Variants when the execution procedure is spread out like in the United States with a lethal injection - one person injects one component, another - another, etc. It's still a dirty business ..

    As for "kill" - "don't kill". It would be good to land them on some distant and inaccessible and not very hospitable island - and live, enjoy the company of your own kind. There is something to eat - to your health. No, so this is your problem. This is called to be at the mercy of fate. It seems to me that this would be the best solution - a person is deleted from society and left to himself at the very bottom of the pit. Society does not feed or heal him, no one bears the sin for killing him, and I think he will not be happy in this situation. The prospect of spending the rest of your life in self-like society and grazing is probably worse than death.
    And by the way about the execution as such - while they were catching Chikatilo, if I am not mistaken, several innocent people were convicted and executed. The methods of fitting the facts to fit the "picture" by a consequence are far from uncommon. As well as cases of child defamation of adults - this also happens. Someone needs a promotion - someone wants to roll a hated adult into the asphalt - hop-hop and the gears creaked. So the establishment of guilt in the event of the prospect of execution - this must be a procedure that has to be verified many times - if we do not want an explosive and resonant situation sooner or later. And such procedures are expensive, because this is the work of a large number of people, to put it mildly, not low-paid. So society, in any case, will be forced to shower every such murderer with gold - and motivating the death penalty with considerations of economy is a kind of illusion.
    1. Uran53
      Uran53 10 September 2021 21: 51
      +1
      Who will kill the perverts? As the father of a ten-year-old daughter, if anyone raises a hand against her, I will kill him myself, with my bare hands. And don't care about the consequences.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 11 September 2021 00: 20
        +2
        An executioner is an executioner. This is not an attraction, this is a procedure condemned by the essence of the law, the church and the international community. An executioner is a person with a salary, for him this is a job - tomorrow they will shove him some kind of corrupt official, then a spy, then an "enemy of the people", then an oppositionist, then just some dude with a bag on his head - the executioner does not delve into why the person is being executed. he has no time for this. He is a tool in the hands of those who knit and sew. Hunt to be a tool? There were hunters at one time, they also probably imagined all this as a good deed, well, like, clearing the world from evil and degradation. Hunting to do the dirtiest work from which the world becomes cleaner and better? Volunteer as a janitor or feed homeless people at train stations. Why are level 80 palladin saints always tempted to kill someone ?! The conclusion was not just invented - the deprivation of life is a dilemma that I described, and these dilemmas are already on the order of years.
        1. Uran53
          Uran53 11 September 2021 07: 15
          +1
          Tell that to the girls' parents. The state spends 25000 rubles a month on food alone for one life-sentenced prisoner. I spend half the money on food for the whole family. Moreover, this money is our taxes, including the victims of perverts. And when did pedophiles become normal people? A wooden mac will only fix them!
          1. your1970
            your1970 12 September 2021 22: 15
            +1
            As the senior researcher of the Ludwig von Mises Institute Mark Thornton told Gazeta.Ru, it costs millions of dollars to carry out a death sentence in the United States.
            “The death penalty is a huge budgetary burden that not every state can handle. For example, New Jersey at one time refused such a punishment. The authorities considered that each sentence costs them about $ 4 million.

            It is several times cheaper to put criminals in prison for life, ”said the source of Gazeta.Ru.

            The reason for the high cost of the process lies in the careful legal proceedings. The fact is that the courts have to take a more serious approach to the procedure, analyze the corpus delicti for more than one year, collect evidence and only after that pass a sentence. Moreover, there are no time limits for consideration, so the process can drag on for at least two decades, adds Mark Thornton.
            «Relatives of the sentenced person fill up every death sentence with appeals. As a result, out of 10 sentences, a maximum of 1-2 are executed, which isonly leads to millions of dollars in legal costs, and the criminal is also kept in prison for life on budget money, ” - pointed out the professor. It is reported by Rambler.
      2. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 11 September 2021 17: 17
        0
        And then it turns out that someone else raised a hand on her, and not the one who was framed for you. And then what? Are you ready to go AFTER to PERSONALLY apologize?
    2. Denis812
      Denis812 23 September 2021 21: 15
      0
      1. For one of Chikatilo's crimes, an innocent person was executed. Yes, this man was still a scumbag, but in this particular crime he was innocent.
      2. The killing of people is a completely natural process for mankind. And finding an executioner is absolutely not difficult, just pay.
      3. Verification of guilt ... Well, yes, it can be a problem. But you know, I sent a couple of dozen people to the zone for my short service in the authorities. And I absolutely don't care if they survived there or not, returned or not, re-educated their zone or not. If I knew that the verdict would not be a zone, but a tower, I don’t see any difference at all. Get what you deserve.
      "Remember, Sharapov! There is no punishment without guilt!" (with) :)
  • Drozd
    Drozd 10 September 2021 15: 02
    +3
    The conclusion does not scare these non-humans. They know perfectly well that money and time do their job. A year will pass, two or three, he will begin to feel normal behind bars, but what ... is dressed, fed, they will not give him offense, parcels, telephones ... The term will end, he will come out and again for the old one. This is not a man, this is not an animal, do not understand who. The only thing these inhumans are afraid of is death. As soon as you realize that your life will end, your brains immediately start working. And it is best to publicly conduct such deeds for the edification of others, for human life is above all, and the life of a non-human is worth nothing.
    1. Uran53
      Uran53 11 September 2021 07: 18
      0
      Quarter non-humans! Live and on all channels!
    2. your1970
      your1970 12 September 2021 22: 18
      +1
      Quote: Drozd
      As soon as you realize that your life will end, your brains immediately start working. And it is best to publicly conduct such deeds for the edification of others, for human life is above all, and the life of a non-human is worth nothing.

      yeah ... 25 years of corruption in China (in stadiums including) they shoot those who were born when they started shooting.
      Helps ??? yes by all means, schaz ...
      Because everyone is firmly convinced of their immortality "Everyone will die - but I will stay alive !!" ...
  • Markus wolf
    Markus wolf 10 September 2021 15: 05
    +1
    I propose to introduce a term for verbiage. Liberal.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 10 September 2021 21: 06
      -1
      Quote: Markus Wolf
      I propose to introduce a term for verbiage. Liberal.

      We have already gone through this. And not only the liberal ... now there are less than 150 million of us. but it could be, according to Stolypin's calculations, 500-600 ... mln.
  • VORON538
    VORON538 10 September 2021 15: 30
    +3
    In general, the topic of course in modern Russia is sore a different direction, so that a person who escaped such evil spirits would not be attracted under the article. At least so. Say, I want to justify lynching? And what normal parent does not want to punish? Looking at how moneybags and their offspring evade responsibility. my daughter is growing up, and I just don’t know what I’ll do with such a beast, God forbid, but there is no faith in our justice, and if they are imprisoned, it will come out, and such people simply have no right to live. IMHO. hi
    1. Uran53
      Uran53 11 September 2021 07: 19
      +2
      Here I am about the same
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  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 10 September 2021 15: 56
    +1
    Quote: fyvaprold
    Quote: Revival
    At this stage, the death penalty is inappropriate, it can turn out like with golunov, here's a "laboratory" here's a complete list of "proofs"...

    And what did you so modestly keep silent about: -
    ".... here's the withdrawal of charges, here's the prosecution of those guilty of falsifying evidence, here's the resignation of the leadership ..."
    You just forgot about these facts, which are at odds with your statements? Isn't it true?
    PS: Just do not need tales that Golunov was released under pressure from the "protesting people"; these "protests" did not help Lyokha Nedozoraleniy.

    There is not a big nuance here. If the chelas are set up and have time to execute, then the removal of charges and so on, so forth, so on, will not help him much.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 10 September 2021 16: 50
    +1
    No, with the current judicial system, no. You cannot give such an instrument as execution into the hands of those who imprison for repost and allow the bandit who killed the first Russian at 16 to rule the whole almost sovereign kingdom.
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 10 September 2021 17: 58
    +2
    It turned out that the violence was committed by a 54-year-old repeat offender who was released three weeks before the crime.
    Can you guess what he was convicted of?
    That's right, for rape.

    This is surprising. Usually these are checked for involvement first. And they don't just ask, but they check and double-check.
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 10 September 2021 18: 02
    -1
    The results of voting on the site are quite indicative. 84% for the return of the death penalty for pedophiles.
    1. Uran53
      Uran53 10 September 2021 21: 44
      0
      This is the percentage of adequate people in our country
  • SSA
    SSA 10 September 2021 18: 54
    +3
    The article is empty. Everything is designed for bubbling and boiling blood. Here they already want to judge the judge, who sentenced a man agreed to by two teenage girls for 13 years. So then PROFESSIONAL JUDGE
    1. Non-fighter
      Non-fighter 10 September 2021 23: 14
      -1
      If this is a stone in my garden, then I did not write anything about the judge, because I simply did not read the materials of the criminal case, and without this it is difficult to assess the actions of the judge.
      Again, it is not a fact that there was a judge there, but nowadays a jury is also possible.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 10 September 2021 21: 01
    -1
    For the abolition of the openly pro-European moratorium, the chairman of the "Strong Russia" movement, retired FSB major general Alexander Mikhailov, spoke out. We agree to return the highest measure to the Commissioner for the Rights of the Child of the Chelyabinsk Region, Evgenia Mayorova, and the first deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on State Building and Legislation, Mikhail Emelyanov.

    They should have discussed all this even before the last elections, and not wait for the current ...
    Crimes against childhood, motherhood, family and state security should be punished with the toughest sanctions, but officials, based on the results of an investigated crime, should bear public responsibility for allowing such crimes so that people can see their "heroes" ... and not just faces criminals ...
  • Uran53
    Uran53 10 September 2021 21: 42
    +2
    Liberators themselves are involved in pedophilia, so they are reinsured.