The head of the Russian Emergencies Ministry Evgeny Zinichev died during the ministry's exercises

The head of the EMERCOM of Russia, Evgeny Zinichev, died tragically in the line of duty, saving a person's life. This was reported by the press service of the department.

At the moment, the details of the incident are not provided. The head of the Emergencies Ministry was on a working trip to the Krasnoyarsk Territory in connection with the large-scale exercises in the Arctic zone on behalf of the President of the Russian Federation.

EMERCOM of Russia informs with regret that Evgeny Zinichev died tragically in the line of duty, while attending interdepartmental exercises to protect the Arctic zone from emergencies, saving a person's life

- said in a statement.

Earlier, some media reported that Zinichev checked the construction progress of the building of the new fire station in Norilsk and visited the Dudinsky Arctic search and rescue team of the Russian Emergencies Ministry. On September 7, in Dudinka, he launched a large-scale interdepartmental experimental research exercise in the Arctic, within the framework of which EMERCOM specialists will work out 12 scenarios for eliminating possible emergencies. In addition, it is planned to test 47 new models of equipment, equipment and methodologies.

Evgeny Zinichev was 55 years old, he was born on August 18, 1966 in Leningrad, as the Minister of Civil Defense, Emergencies and Elimination of Consequences of Natural Disasters from May 18, 2018.

Comments

[credo]

Christmas trees-sticks, how is that?

[Peak]

Quote: credo

Christmas trees-sticks, how is that?

Yes ... Generals die in the war. Service of the Ministry of Emergency Situations is often the same war.

Condolences ...

[Aaron Zawi]

The Emergencies Ministry is always in action. RIP

[svp67]

Quote: PiK

Yes ... Generals die in the war.

What war? The Ministry of Emergency Situations has in its structure a bunch of highly professional rescuers, whose task is not to die heroically, but to save people and stay alive. And then the minister, who rarely goes anywhere without an escort, personally went to rescue ... Something is not right. We must wait for details

[Tavi]

we don't know the details ...
Condolences to loved ones.

[Shurik70]

We are waiting for the details.
Without them, making assumptions is useless.

[Mikhail3]

The details of that ... mutate) At first it was that he died along with the operator, while sightseeing. Then the sights disappeared. We wait a little more, and now the operator was filming a training film, apparently without the instructions of the head of the Ministry of Emergencies, he could not adjust the camera, slipped, the head rushed to save ... I wonder if the killed enemies will appear, and how many?

[mojohed2012]

If an ordinary person died - it happens, if a thousand - statistics, but the minister - the hero will be given for sure ... And how "heroically saved" - will come up with.

[military_cat]

Well, by the way, yes - about an ordinary person in such a situation, they would write "died by negligence" or "due to non-compliance with TB." "Killed in the line of duty" is something about something else, about a conscious willingness to take an inevitable but justified risk.

[Andrey VOV]

And you should savor the death of a person, the worse the better .. Disgusting

[sniperino]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Disgustingly

I have never met such disgusting comments on the news of the death of a general who was not Amin or Pol Pot (they wrote about Pol Pot here better), a traitor or a corrupt official with golden toilets, but honestly doing his duty. This is a shame in VO. Kingdom of heaven and eternal rest for the warrior Eugene.

[kuzimka]

It's a strange story, it's a pity that people died. Only after such official tales and nonsense, even if you tell the truth, they are unlikely to believe.
But not everything is calm, Shoigu and Putin are also resting in the taiga, do they have an operator there by chance?

[alch3mist]

It's a strange story, it's a pity that people died.

Strange - this is poorly said. Be he an ordinary appointee ... And he was urgently put to replace Puchkov, who almost destroyed the Ministry of Emergencies, like the Taburetkin MO. Apparently, for someone he fell too across.
In terms of "strangeness", this is somewhere on the level of Masherov's death.

[Mwg]

There is nothing strange about the event. In our regional center, there was practically a similar situation, only without casualties: an interdepartmental commission examined the urban part of the river during a flood and one of the commission members fell into the river at the place where the river left the underground tunnel, and the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations jumped to save him. Both were dragged underground, but the living were thrown out from the other side.
The first professional impulse is triggered - to save the one in danger. Killed while executing.
Kingdom of heaven. Condolences to family and friends.

[Spring fluff]

he is an adjutant, not a lifeguard

[LiSiCyn]

In addition to Zinichev, one more person died in Norilsk.

According to RT editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan, the minister stood on the ledge with the operator. The operator fell first, Zinichev rushed into the water to save him, but crashed on a ledge.

They were urgently hospitalized by helicopter, but they died before reaching the hospital.

A real man!!! Kingdom of heaven.

[Konnick]

According to RT editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan, the minister stood on the ledge with the operator. The operator fell off first, Zinichev rushed into the water to save him, but crashed on a ledge

It looks like it was at the Red Rocks at the waterfall, 6 km from Talnakh. A beautiful place.

[Spring fluff]

I have already seen the version that the minister slipped, and the operator tried to save him and also fell

[Konnick]

How our government has perverted. At first I thought everything happens during exercises. But it turns out that he was 120 km from the place of the exercises, he did not save him in the reserve, but he was saved. Even at death, they try to cut dividends, using the classic way of turning everything into a feat.

[Bez 310]

Quote: LiSiCyn

According to RT editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan

The author (author) of the legend?

[alystan]

I feel sorry for the man, or rather both.
And Simonyan has seen everything lately, knows about everything and manages to be an eyewitness everywhere ... "A strange woman" (c)

[Bez 310]

Quote: alystan

I feel sorry for the man, or rather both.

Yes, I feel sorry for people ...

[LiSiCyn]

After reading about the death of the Minister of Emergencies, I thought how hard it was for a relatively young, successful person with all career prospects to force himself to almost hopelessly jump after the operator. But Debt outweighed everything else in a split second. Probably, at a similar moment in front of a man, like two thousand years ago, before Peter leaving Rome, Christ appears and asks: "Come, man? Where are you going, man?" And everyone chooses in their own way.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: LiSiCyn

how hard it was for a relatively young, successful person with all career prospects to make himself almost hopelessly jump after the operator. But Debt outweighed everything else in a split second. Probably, at a similar moment in front of a person, like two thousand years ago, before Peter leaving Rome, Christ appears

Rave. When I, being younger, was fond of speleology - I saved, and they saved me. So here
1. Almost 100% of emergencies under the ground happen due to stupidity and negligence. The same, by the way, applies to the state of emergency in other extreme types of tourism - water and mountain-pedestrian (he was fond of mountain-pedestrian along with speleology, in winter - caves, in summer - mountains, and there are many friends and acquaintances among water workers).
2. No Duty and no Christ appear at this moment. Blunt biological automation works. Exactly the same one that makes you grab the hand of an interlocutor who has slipped on the ice. Here you are walking hand in hand with him, talking, and suddenly he slipped. You are purely reflexively trying to catch it. Natural selection made sure that such actions were carried out reflexively.
Apparently, there was exactly the same situation - and who tried to pick up whom is unknown (versions differ).

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Sergey1964

Brad.

Let me just dot the I ... This is copy-paste, the thought is not mine. But I liked it. I shifted the situation onto myself and, to be honest, I don’t know if I could ... According to the official infe, he didn’t try to pick it up, but he rushed after the operator into the water.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: LiSiCyn

I shifted the situation onto myself and, to be honest, I don’t know I could ...

You would most likely act automatically. See my example with a satellite slipping on ice. Again, from my personal experience, in such cases, biological automation works, inherited from our ancestors. The instinct to "save a fellow tribesman, regardless of the threat" exists in a number of social species, including H. sapiens. From the point of view of group survival (and in social species, the group is the unit of selection), this is a very useful instinct.
Probably, this instinct is the development of the parent. Parents (or at least a mother), when children are threatened, also rush to the rescue without hesitation, and this is useful from the point of view of the survival of the offspring. Groups in social species are all too often the offspring of one pair, so, from the point of view of evolution, extending the parental instinct to all fellow tribesmen is a piece of cake.

[mojohed2012]

Now, if Zinchev had died, and the journalist had survived - then the hero and the street would have been named - he really saved the life of another at his own cost! This is not the point: an official died through negligence - he died for Russia, and an ordinary person is an accident!

[Svarog]

Quote: svp67

Something wrong. We must wait for details

We will hardly wait ..

[Charik]

and many will believe what they will say officially, there is a Yandex tape-as much as SAMA simonyan-the head of the propoganda-Declares what-how much, IMHO-if this is pulled up, then they are trying to cram a lie.

[polar fox]

Quote: svp67

We must wait for details

can't wait ... according to the official version, one dregs.

[hrych]

I would like more details. And why did the layman do the rescue? He is GBShnik and the personal guard of the Supreme. I spent 2 months as the Governor. The position of the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations does not make him a rescuer. While filming for the training film of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, he fell off a cliff together with the cameraman, who also died. Why did you film yourself on a rock?

[Mikhail3]

Come on) What kind of professionals can there be? Was this why they did counterrevolution in the 90s so that specialists would occupy big posts ?!

[hrych]

The dead have no shame. But death in peacetime is negligence and a gross violation of safety measures. And the elder is always responsible for this.

[Mikhail3]

Well, he answered. The devil carried him near the operator to hang out? A logical result. As one president of one pontoreznaya country ordered to land the plane where he wants, and not where the weather permits.
The big question is whether the operator would have slipped if a tall boss hadn't pushed around near the shooting point. Once a training film was being filmed, the authorities had absolutely nothing to do on the set with XNUMX% accuracy.

[bk316]

Why was he filming on a rock

He was not filming, he was standing next to.
It happens.
That's why you jumped, since it's not a professional?
Because the man + overestimated himself. I wouldn’t jump, I don’t know how to swim.
It happens often.
Before my very eyes, a friend of mine, an alpine skiing instructor, died before that, he worked as the head of the rescue service.
Roughly the same story. Even before the Olympics I was in the KP.
I'll tell you if you want.

[svd-xnumx]

That's why you jumped, since it's not a professional?

They were friends with Melnik, so he jumped.

[Okolotochny]

Maybe the instinct worked? After all, he served in the FSO for a long time?

[Maz]

Quote: PiK

Quote: credo

Christmas trees-sticks, how is that?

Yes ... Generals die in the war. Service of the Ministry of Emergency Situations is often the same war.

Condolences ...

I didn’t notice that the fat and well-fed generals died, I didn’t drown, but this was clearly set up.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: credo

Christmas trees-sticks, how is that?

That's how. I did not sit in offices.

[bk316]

That's how. I did not sit in offices.

Well, yes, and the wrestlers wrote here that they only know how to optimize - like if a person has financial education, it means he only works with pieces of paper.

[Finches]

Condolences to family and friends, but this is a jamb, to be honest, from the Ministry of Emergency Situations employees who accompanied the minister! And specific!

[vladcub]

What is called: died at the post

[Sergey1964]

Quote: vladcub

What is called: died at the post

What is the post of the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in the reserve?

[isv000]

Quote: credo

Christmas trees-sticks, how is that?

The videographer fell off the cliff into the water, Zinichev followed him, but a stone was sticking out of the water ...

[syndicalist]

Shaman Gabyshev conjured.

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: credo

Christmas trees-sticks, how is that?

Kingdom of heaven!
Let the Earth be DOWN.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: credo

Christmas trees-sticks, how is that?

A number of media outlets, as well as officials, reported that the minister died while trying to save 63-year-old director Alexander Melnik, who had worked with the Emergencies Ministry for many years. According to one version, Zinichev jumped after him from the cliff into the river, but crashed against a stone. On the other, he tried to keep him from falling off the cliff.
It's a pity, the real man was, he rushed to save, despite the shoulder straps and status.
Most officials, at best, would send bodyguards to help, fearing to get their hands dirty.
He rest in peace.

[nPuBaTuP]

Blessed memory to him ...
Rescuers go straight to heaven ...

[Okolotochny]

Kingdom of Heaven Warrior!

[Pete mitchell]

"There is no more love than if someone lay down his life for his friends ..." The Gospel of John. The Kingdom of heaven

[Terenin]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

"There is no more love than if someone lay down his life for his friends ..." The Gospel of John. The Kingdom of heaven

By the way, in the structural divisions of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, starting from the firefighter ... and in the ministry, Zinichev was respected. In fact, Puchkov did a lot after the collapse of the Emergencies Ministry.

[Al Asad]

In Kaliningrad, he was the head of the FSB before the Emergencies Ministry.
Bright memory!

[nikolas 83]

Kingdom of heaven. Condolences to family and friends. What tragic incident, saving life, died?

[Mountain shooter]

Killed as in battle. Bright memory. Young after all.

[tralflot1832]

Blessed memory, Man. Only 55 years old. Condolences to relatives.

[Sergej1972]

Condolences to family and colleagues.

[Kapkan]

No words.
Condolences to family and friends.

[Azis]

RBC writes:

Zinichev died during a departmental shooting, when he tried to keep a film crew member who slipped at the edge of a cliff. The shooting took place during a training exercise for the Emergencies Ministry's training film, he said. A film crew member also died.

[nikolas 83]

Horror. Words no.

[donavi49]

The RT operator was killed. Zinichev broke loose, too, trying to restrain him. The rest did not have time to run up.

[svp67]

A mess .... If the minister is already dying saving a person, and what was his entire MINISTRY busy with?
Sorry for the heroic man, I grieve ... but a mess

[Peak]

Quote: svp67

A mess .... If the minister is already dying saving a person, and what was his entire MINISTRY busy with?

Take your time resent и expose without knowing the elementary details of the emergency?

Maybe this (quote) will pull you at least a little?

Quote: Azis

RBC writes:
Zinichev died during a departmental shooting, when he tried to keep a film crew member who slipped at the edge of a cliff. The shooting took place during a training exercise for the Emergencies Ministry's training film, he said. A film crew member also died.

[svp67]

Quote: PiK

Zinichev died during a departmental shooting, when he tried to keep a film crew member who slipped at the edge of a cliff.

Violation of security requirements is already visible ... for which he personally punished his subordinates

[Peak]

Quote: svp67

Violation of safety requirements is already visible ...

Yes, instead of condolences, or just silence, add more elections ...

[svp67]

Quote: PiK

Yes, instead of condolences, or just silence, add more elections ...

This is for the political officers ... I'm trying to understand what kind of mess is going on when people die because someone wanted a "raw" plane to show why the minister died, to which cliff he pulled the film crew without the necessary insurance, or why did they let this group go where they didn't belong ... Show-off, for which you have to pay with your lives.
I am very sorry for these people, but I just can't help but notice the mess.

[Peak]

Quote: svp67

I'm trying to figure out what kind of a mess we have going on

And at least until tomorrow, your desire could not wait, or is it just tempting you to taste the "fried facts" right now?

[svp67]

Quote: PiK

And at least until tomorrow, your desire could not wait, or is it just tempting you to taste the "fried facts" right now?

Tomorrow everyone will be "silent in a rag", they will bury, and then it is either good or not gu-gu ...
But the one who will take his place, and it is time for other bosses to take responsibilities more responsibly ... Any window dressing and slackness - the price is measured in human lives, and even heroism cannot hide it. Alas.

[Peak]

Quote: svp67

Tomorrow everyone will be "silent in a rag"

А you should be silent now , showing at least a little tact and respect for the dead people.

[svp67]

Quote: PiK

respect for the lost people.

To all who have been affected by this tragedy, I sympathize. And I am insanely sorry for the dead PEOPLE.
But not to see the blame of the BIG OFFICER and not to say about it now, the same I cannot ...
Otherwise, these deaths may be wasted ... and will not teach anything

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: svp67

to what cliff he pulled the film crew without the necessary insurance, or why they allowed this group to go where they did not belong ...

Sergei, any cliff is dangerous ... And here it already depends on the person himself, how close he risks approaching the edge .... Operators very rarely look at their feet, choosing a good angle, they can easily take an "extra" step. And my hands are busy ...
Evgeny Nikolaevich rushed straight away, did not think ... A real man!

[svp67]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Evgeny Nikolaevich rushed straight away, did not think ... A real man!

I have no complaints about him as a person. He's a hero.
But I have complaints, against him as an OFFICIAL and COMMANDER, and forgive me, but here I can’t do anything, because I clearly see his personally guilty, in this emergency and the death of a stranger and him personally ...
This is how it often happens in life.

[tralflot1832]

In my practice, three KDPs died during a pitching, a tragic accident and force majeure, and not any mess.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: svp67

This is for the political officers ... I'm trying to understand what kind of mess is going on when people die due to the fact that someone wanted to show the "raw" planewhy the minister died, to which cliff he pulled the film crew without the necessary insurance, or why did they let this group go where they didn't belong ...Show-off, for which you have to pay with your lives.
I'm sorry for these people, but I just can't help but notice the mess

And I, perhaps, agree with your arguments. It is difficult for me to imagine that the minister would have committed a TB violation when shooting from a cliff. The will of chance - one began to fall, the other tried to restrain him ... Do you remember how the president fell on the carpet? After all, no one rushed to stop him, although the fall could turn into more serious consequences ...
Our country is being corrupted by a mess. Indifference. After us - though, the flood. Unplanned accidents, unforeseen tragedies, unfulfilled precautions, incorrect assessment of events and situations ...
It's just hard for me to realize this.
Let's express our condolences to the loved ones of the victims.

[svp67]

Quote: ROSS 42

Let's express our condolences to the loved ones of the victims.

This is not even discussed ...
Sincere condolences.

[Victorio]

Quote: svp67

but I just can't ignore the mess

===
and when he was not there? sometime less, sometime more. not germans tea.

[Andrey VOV]

And you yourself are always white and fluffy and do one hundred and ten percent?

[isv000]

Quote: svp67

Violation of security requirements is already visible ... for which he personally punished his subordinates

The parking operator stood on the wrong rock, and they were there instead of the ground, what kind of safety is there ...

[sabakina]

Sergey prYuvet! I don't understand anything anymore! Let the teachings! Let the Emergencies Ministry! Let it be in the polar zone! But what the hell to the commander to wave a saber? He shielded someone from a 120mm mine with his body?

[Peak]

Quote: sabakina

He shielded someone from a 120mm mine with his body?

Don't be cynical. He tried to rescue a cameraman who fell off a cliff.
Isn't this worthy of respect and memory?

[sabakina]

PiK, I'm not a cynic, and I've never been! I am a techie, like our colleague, he is "Heather", which is no longer there. Do you have data on why this happened?

[Peak]

Quote: sabakina

PiK, I'm not a cynic, and I've never been! I am a techie, just like our colleague, who is no longer there. Do you have data on why this happened?

Do you always "run over" and "expose" like that, and then just start to find out the details?
I, personally, found some details of what happened at the moment. In part of that - HOW this happened. With the same WHY - the commission will figure it out.

Do the same , and then write about waving checkers and 120mm mines ...

[sabakina]

Peak, the whole point is that you think tactically, and I strategically. Can we remember the film "Battle for Moscow", where K.G. Zhukov asked to bring him a submachine gun?

[private person]

He tried to save the cameraman.

It is regrettable to say, but first of all, as the head of the department, he had to do everything to prevent this from happening.

[svp67]

Quote: PiK

He tried to rescue a cameraman who fell off a cliff.
Isn't this worthy of respect and memory?

His direct responsibility was NOT TO ALLOW the occurrence of such a situation, that's what you also need to know and understand ...
He was the most important there, no one could argue with him, why, why this film crew was dragged without the necessary insurance, who needed it ... only he can get it

[Silver bullet]

A real man, a patriot of his homeland, died. Let's just keep quiet, expressing condolences to family and friends, and not looking for the causes of the tragedy, experts will figure out what's what. Kingdom of heaven and eternal rest!

[svp67]

Quote: Silver bullet

we will not look for the causes of the tragedy,

With all due respect ... But we too often have such events, when it is more tragic, when less.
Now they will punish a bunch of people, whose only fault is that they were there. And who of them could even say a word across to the MINISTER? There were no such heroes ...
It's time to change your views, and to drive it into your heads that any emergency should be prevented in the "bud" and that if you personally contributed to what would happen, nothing can excuse you ...

[I am not a robot]

it is impossible to predict all situations, if there was such a possibility, then people would never die.

[svp67]

Quote: Janerobot

it is impossible to predict all situations, if there was such a possibility, then people would never die.

He was the most important of those who were OBLIGED to predict this.

[I am not a robot]

in order to get to the cliff, he had to convene a commission, inspect the operator's shoes, put on parachutes, etc. agree this is nonsense.

[svp67]

Quote: Janerobot

to get to the cliff he had to

He was obliged not to drag outsiders there ... Himself, yes, please, at the head of the entire ministry, but outsiders. They obviously went for a beautiful picture, so that the report would be unusual, not like everyone else's.

[I am not a robot]

so most likely the film crew and offered to go to the cliff for a beautiful shot, what kind of outsiders they are then

[svp67]

Quote: Janerobot

so most likely the film crew and offered to go to the cliff for a beautiful shot, what kind of outsiders they are then

That is, they were the most important there, and the minister walked so close, but what if they offered to climb into a nuclear reactor or into the epicenter of the fire? What a picture this is

[I am not a robot]

even carried you somewhere. and here to see prices the main, non-main. a professional operator probably knows better where the frames will be better. he most likely suggested, the minister agreed. all this led to a tragedy., to predict that it will turn out this way is impossible

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Janerobot

professional operator

Miller is not a cameraman, but a journalist, publisher, film director and screenwriter. Do not believe me - ask Wikipedia.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Janerobot

he should have called a commission

I had to check if the 63-year-old filmmaker Melnik (he is a filmmaker, not a cameraman) is fastened to a lanyard. Well, sit on the self-belay yourself. These are the basics that are taught to any novice climber-rock climber-caver.

[for]

Quote: PiK

He tried to rescue a cameraman who fell off a cliff.

From the beginning, bringing him to this cliff.

[Andrey VOV]

You stood next to me and saw how he led someone there somewhere ??

[isv000]

Quote: sabakina

Let it be in the polar zone!

The Arctic is already there ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: sabakina

I don't understand anything anymore! Let the teachings! Let the Emergencies Ministry! Let it be in the polar zone! But what the hell to the commander to wave a saber?

What is there to understand? The truth about the death of Yevgeny Zinichev:

[Dart2027]

I looked. I disagree with the author.
Why did the helicopter have to be there? The exercises took place over a fairly large area (seven regions) and the minister himself did not participate in potentially dangerous events (which is logical). They were just filming - what kind of ventilator is there? Who could have imagined that this would turn into a tragedy? The point here is not some kind of controllability, but a banal set of circumstances.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: svp67

Mess...

A mess, yeah. In the skulls of the narrow-minded townspeople.

[bk316]

Sorry for the heroic man, I grieve ... but a mess

Yes, our whole life is a mess.
Let's all the same tell my story. Even before the Olympics.
Krasnaya Polyana is the end of the season, we are standing at the top, talking about waiting for everyone to come together.
Everyone who was in the command post knows that there is a cornice of 4 meters thick and it protrudes by 4 meters.
And at the end of the season, tourists come to see the beauty. Girls in heels, guys in shorts and T-shirts. And on the top there is snow, wind and frost.
A family with a teenager and a teenager with a camera was cool at that time.
The guy wants to take a picture so that the slope can be seen and stands on the edge of the cornice, we only had time to look, we didn't even have time to shout. The edge of the cornice broke off and the guy fell. In principle, it is not scary about 10 meters on the snow, but he is in some shorts and somehow twisted his leg.
My friend just went upstairs, he was skiing like a god + he worked as a lifeguard, right where the guy stood and jumped off on skis, he didn't even fall. Yes, only the cornice took and fell off about 50 meters and a board went straight onto them. Classic avalanche. In general, the guy was dug up, but the instructor did not have time ...

[lucul]

Bright memory. More of them would be born.

About Zinichev. She and the operator stood at the edge of the ledge. The operator slipped and fell into the water. There were enough eyewitnesses - no one even had time to figure out what had happened, as Zinichev rushed into the water after a man who had fallen off and crashed against a protruding stone.

[Lech from Android.]

Death in battle makes no exceptions for soldiers or generals ...
My condolences to the family and friends of this person, it's a pity that Evgeny Zinichev left us in full bloom ... you can't escape fate.

[BISMARCK94]

Saved the RT operator, who fell off the ledge, so Simonyan said. The operator also died.
Bright memory

[dimy44]

Now I specially went to the Ukrainian site, read the comments on this news. Who else still thinks that Ukrainians are not bad people, they just clouded their brains - go there and read it yourself.

[faiver]

and how are ours different from them? you are on tape.ru comments on any news, read

[Andobor]

Quote: dimy44

he still thinks that Ukrainians are not bad people

All sorts of people are there, normal access to public space is closed,
TV channels, websites, social networks are being closed, all this is yielding results.

[dimy44]

There, access is not closed, only adequate comments from Ukrainians - exactly zero. If anything, I'm not talking about the censor.

[Andobor]

Quote: dimy44

adequate comments of Ukrainians - exactly zero

Naturally, they are washed out in advance, I myself came across if you called Putin Putin, and not la-la-in a ban, there are practically no adequate ones in many places - you need to look specifically for such places.

[isv000]

Quote: dimy44

Who else still thinks that Ukrainians are not bad people, they just clouded their brains - go there and read it yourself.

Female dogs ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: dimy44

go there and read it yourself.

Why go far.
Here you go to the branches where it is told about the death of the Armed Forces. And then sin for khokhlov.

[dimy44]

Note that it was not the general of the Ministry of Defense / KGB / NKVD / VChK / SVR who died ... but the Ministry of Emergencies! The organization that, possibly, will save from disaster, incl. and their citizens who are for one reason or another on the territory of the Russian Federation. And he will not ask for this citizenship and nationality, he will simply save. It is unlikely that they would have sneered here if their Emergencies Ministry had died.

[2 Level Advisor]

why do you go there? for example, I am not drawn to read sites with inadequate content .. and in this, damn it, the topic Ukraine dragged .. some kind of obsession already with many .. no comment without Ukrainians ..

[Roman070280]

why do you go there? for example, I am not drawn to read sites with inadequate content ..

At least - an alternative opinion.
Well, this is for those, of course, who are interested in the alternative in principle .. for reflection ..
And the adequacy there is about the same level as here .. it all depends on the point of view ..))

[Soldatov V.]

For some reason, all senior positions are occupied by former kegebes. He would have to deal with secret operations, and not lead the Ministry of Emergencies. Taiga burned all summer, and he saved Europe. And what is there in the polar desert to save someone? The man was not in his place, so he died a hero's death, not observing the safety rules, together with the operator looking for a beautiful shot. It is necessary not to develop scenarios for eliminating possible emergencies, but to create programs to prevent possible emergencies, and demand the punishment of the culprit in the same Norilsk Potanin.

[ODERVIT]

A man died. Kingdom of heaven, condolences to family and friends.
And the details on this day are secondary.

[faiver]

condolences to the relatives of the victims
this is what is called non-professionalism, and I'm not talking about the general, but about those who were organizing all this ...

[vladcub]

We are waiting for details, but for now the first thing that comes to: RUNNING.
If a person dies at a construction site or during an exercise - 100% RUNNING.
Someone didn’t give a damn about the instructions and .... The minister died.

[Kushka]

Quote: svp67

Quote: PiK

Zinichev died during a departmental shooting, when he tried to keep a film crew member who slipped at the edge of a cliff.

Violation of security requirements is already visible ... for which he personally punished his subordinates

Condolences and courage to the family and friends of the person of duty.
Very strange and insulting. Ministry of Emergency Situations is not a group of young people who climbed
somewhere with a clothesline, sneakers and backpacks. In service,
normally, there is all the necessary equipment for working in abnormal
weather conditions,
dangerous places, including the means of insurance., obviously all this was neglected

[Roman070280]

died tragically in the line of duty, saving a person's life.

Who is it for ??
Shoigu, too, in that position, personally jumped under the rubble ??

[Andrey VOV]

Shoigu was on Sakhalin for a week with everyone after the earthquake, but he did not climb the rubble, but he did not sit in his office, gave instructions

[Okolotochny]

In the last comment, you referred to the "inadequacy of commentators" in the VO. Is this your comment adequate? Why are you trying to dilute a srach? When will your sect be banned?

[gorenina91]

- In any case ... - the TB rules were violated ... - And the fact that who was there and who saved whom does not matter at all ... - All this personally raises very, very big doubts in me ... that this is how it all happened - as they try to present it ...
- No one is guaranteed against an accident ... - but here everything is somehow "far-fetched" ...
- And personally, I am always enraged by the fact that very often some brainless human group climbs into the mountains, then (with a fool) gets into a very difficult situation; after which whole rescue and emergency services are trying to rescue them from trouble ... - Huge funds are spent on their salvation (sometimes the rescuers themselves perish) ... - But then these rescued become "heroes of events" ... - And .. - not those people who, risking their own lives, saved these idiots, become popular ... - namely, the perpetrators of these emergencies ... - suddenly climb to the "foreground" ...

[dauria]

... - namely, the perpetrators of these emergencies themselves ... - suddenly climb to the "foreground" ...

There is such a thing ... A group of extreme lovers is going to go down in kayaks along a section of the river. They shoot documentaries about themselves, heroic guys (but what about without this?). With a tragic - artistic air, they tell how their friend died last year on this descent. All honor for honor, a sort of modest heroes. They climb into the river, of course, a couple more people drown. And the final - they sit by the fire and again !!!! commemorate the dead with a tragic and artistic air.
And this is a wild reality! Instead of a direct assessment of "Narcissistic rams, where have they climbed?" All this is shown on the central channel, smearing the snot of condolence.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I share the bitterness of loss.

[t-12]

During the exercise? All such activities begin with memorizing safety precautions. The operator, if he so needs to shoot at the edge of the abyss, must be tied, next to him must be a partner insurer, etc.

And the unfinished plane (Il-112) should fly in safe, sparsely populated areas, and not near Moscow at any "military shows".

[Spring fluff]

It is more logical that not the operator had to be at the edge of the abyss, but the one whom the operator was filming for a spectacular shot.

[Laksamana besar]

He rescued film director Alexander Melnik (also killed), who arrived in Norilsk to select a location for filming a documentary film dedicated to the development of the Arctic and the Northern Sea Route.

[monster]

Cloudy, vague formulations ... And Simonyan still casts a shadow on the fence ... if you remove the water from her words, then the operator comes out. Protrusion, water, jerked, a protruding stone ... uncle in Kiev, the elderberry is shorter in the garden.

[Nychego]

Do you still need to tell the tale about "died in the exercise" and "tried to save the operator" or is it already possible to voice another version in detail, but changing the essence of the event?

[sleeve]

Mournful. Condolences to relatives.
Start your sabbath ...
He doesn't care anymore.

[tuts]

We condole with family and friends. Eternal memory and eternal peace.

[DenVB]

No, really, it all looks strange.

Alexander Melnik is a Russian film director, screenwriter, member of the Guild of Russian Filmmakers, collaborated with the Russian Emergencies Ministry. He is known for his paintings "New Earth" and "Territory".

Melnik is also a laureate of the Nika Prize, a member of the Nika Academy of Cinematic Arts.

Why did the director and screenwriter become a "cameraman"? Why "details of the incident are not given"? Why are the circumstances of the death voiced by Simonyan, and not by the employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations?

[Azis]

Probably, all the same circumstances are being clarified, including by the Investigative Committee. Therefore, the Ministry of Emergency Situations does not officially announce it. And what is there - who saved whom, pushed, who stumbled or caught, it will be clear later, although not in the public domain. Zinichev's career is not easy, KGB-FSB-FSO-Ministry of Emergency Situations, who knows the whole background of what happened?

[Humpty]

Sincere condolences to relatives and friends.
To the lost, rest in peace.

[Nychego]

Quote: Mikhail3

They brought the authorities to the countryside for a booze. They got drunk and killed.

The only thing I can say in their favor is that they did not get drunk, although they drank, however, even a slight intoxication could cause Melnik to slip and fall.
Zinichev dragged both of them there: and without the influence of alcohol he loved to fly in a helicopter (at the state expense, as is customary) to some pretty place. I even took pictures of those who worked on extinguishing the fires to go to the sights.

[Mikhail3]

As you say. "Operator" is a director who could get half a billion for his film and not worry that the fees were five times less. They drank fifty grams there, and the rest of the time they admired the wonderful nature.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Mikhail3

As you say. "Operator" - a director who could get half a billion for his film and not bother

He was already a dollar millionaire, but the money goes to the money.

[Mikhail3]

And how did he become a millionaire?) The mechanism is this - you scoop money out of the budget and share. With many people. So you can't even stop in this matter. Under your name it turns out to fool the amount? Draw another masterpiece! And then the people with whom you share will be offended that they did not manage to gobble up another piece. And their resentment can turn into anything, even a prison or a sudden overdose. Did a rat hit the wheel? Food and run ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Mikhail3

How did he become a millionaire?) The mechanism is

Comrade, you and I understand what is happening and it pleases, it's a pity that not everything.
Since the officer. version will be heroic, then it is recommended to grieve on this topic.
Immediately Kish is remembered "having scattered, I will jump from a cliff ........"

[Roman_vh]

Are you jealous?

[Mikhail3]

I don't sleep at night, I grit my teeth.
I'm an engineer. My task as an engineer, and, apparently, my vocation in life, so that different mechanisms work. So, THIS mechanism is inoperative. With its help, we are crossing the country with great speed. How countless ancient civilizations lost their countries and empires pitifully and shamefully. The greedy and stupid fools joined the ranks, and we run with him into the trash heap. Well, how can you not envy ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

So, THIS mechanism is inoperative. With its help, we are crossing the country with great speed.

How long did the USSR mechanism work?

[Mikhail3]

The USSR was the first country in the world that tried to introduce state and economic management with the help of reason, and not cunning, meanness, treachery and greed. So he held out for a very long time, despite the fact that the rest of the world attacked him, first gathering armies unseen in the world, and then fiercely crushed by the Cold War. One country against the whole world held out for over 70 years.
How long will the tangle of greedy and stupid scoundrels last, who destroyed it in order to satisfy the lower instincts, and in the hope that the "invisible hand" will do for them the work of managing the economy, which they could not cope with in the USSR due to mental deficiency? Choose the answer yourself ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

The USSR was the first country in the world that tried to introduce state and economic management with the help of reason, and not cunning, meanness, treachery and greed.

Simply put, he was building a utopia. With a corresponding result.

Quote: Mikhail3

One country against the whole world

The fact that Russia's allies are only the army and the navy was said long before its formation.

Quote: Mikhail3

How long will the tangle of greedy and stupid bastards who destroyed it last?

And I remember that it was destroyed by the communists.

[Mikhail3]

Utopia? Implementing the most complex project according to plan, thanks to a scientific approach and the united efforts of all departments, is a utopia. And throwing everything into chaos is the right thing to do. Let each drag to his side, to the extent of his greed, stupidity, stubbornness and criminal inclinations - that's right.
Any smart person understands exactly how complex multi-stage projects are implemented) And they "argue" with this simply because the chaos and chaos, which are the essence of capitalism, allow their most base aspirations to be realized. Utopia. Hehe ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

Implementing the most complex project according to plan, thanks to a scientific approach and the united efforts of all departments, is a utopia.

Where is he? Show on the map, then we'll talk.

[Mikhail3]

Only to you! Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... it's called China ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

This is called China

You call this communism?
https://www.forbes.ru/milliardery-photogallery/370669-344-milliardera-reyting-bogateyshih-lyudey-kitaya

[Mikhail3]

No) Communism is Efremov's. People must drop animal instincts and take their development into their own hands. Then, if it works out, after many, many years of struggle and fierce work, it will be possible to come to communism.
And in China, Uncle Deng simply took an old project and began to edit it, not looking back at the talk, they say, "This is not according to Marx !!" Any project, even a good one, must be corrected during construction. And do not relax with a satisfied "Marxian doctrine is omnipotent, because it is true!"
In China, so far, not even socialism. It's just that the Chinese go to him, smartly and systematically, trying to tame problems, making mistakes and correcting mistakes. And they do not rush like crazy to eat, shit and indulge in all filthy perversions, periodically inventing new ones. They shoot thieves and idlers, but do not "elect" them to power.
The Chinese are moving forward. And one day only the Chinese will remain on the planet and those who will understand that they have to work, and not rob and go crazy.
This is why China is the first economy in the world. And we ... well, we ... Everything is complicated))

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

And in China, Uncle Deng simply took an old project and began to edit it, not looking back at the talk, they say, "This is not according to Marx !!" Any project, even a good one, must be corrected during construction.

That is, all beautiful theories remained theories, but in practice, ordinary capitalism with a beautiful name.

[Mikhail3]

That is, no. Socialism is the planning of the economy, and the unified management of it, which the Chinese are quite successfully implementing. Having fun and without problems posing the flagship of capitalism - the United States. The US economy built on capitalist principles is dying. REPO for 60 days, this is a broken bottom ... The rest of capitalism is in the same place.
Capitalism is chaos. Chaos has lost to order, everyone can see it. I could not help but lose. The USSR confronted the whole world of scum and scoundrels, and we failed. Now we have won from ourselves ... But we have made the way for China. China is heading for the future. And we ... we are where we are. And where we go, only the blind do not see. To whom the loot hurt his eyes.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

Socialism is the planning of the economy, and the uniform management of it

Socialism (from lat. Socialis "public") is a political, social and economic philosophy aimed at achieving universal equality, social equality and justice, the achievement of which is expected, including through public ownership of the means of production.
Well, where is it?

[Mikhail3]

The definition is simply wrong) Marx and Engels, who discovered socialism, must be read. Attentively. "All this" is just a decoy) The scientist and the practitioner thought about how to save humanity. They were powerful people in general. We set ourselves real tasks.
Capitalism is a dead end. Death. He still somehow rolled while digging in the mud. But when combined with the industrial revolution, this shit leads to the self-destruction of humanity. An idiotic rat fight of owners among themselves, created and immediately disintegrating alliances, and everyone is simply forced to trample the rest, otherwise they will trample him. All this leads to a predatory waste of resources. We devour ourselves, translating good directly into shit, bypassing the minimum usefulness of the product. We immediately make garbage, but the land is not unlimited. We can talk for a long time about how lousy this thing is - capitalism.
And these two came to a simple and natural idea - the development of mankind, the management of the planet's economy should be carried out according to a plan that scientists and engineers will come up with and will constantly adjust. This is the ONLY chance.
Yes, equality and justice are needed. But they are simply a natural consequence of the fact that socialism seeks to make work as efficient as possible. For what it is necessary to use people best, and let them fully reveal their full creative potential.
And where is it, why does not it work ... the article must be written) And I no longer write for VO. In short, until the beginning of the last century, the development of mankind was spontaneous. But the next step had to be taken deliberately. To mature. Take hold of your mind. The USSR tried ... but the others did not allow it. They pulled the planet back to total disintegration and self-destruction. Because I wanted to continue to eat, shit and fuck for the sake of self-satisfaction.
Humanity is failing the exam. Will there be enough Chinese for the necessary breakthrough? I'm afraid not...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

Take up your mind. The USSR tried ... but the others did not allow it.

What is it like? After all, according to your own words, there was an advanced scientifically grounded system, etc. etc.

[Mikhail3]

Have you ever encountered a situation where stupid scum breaks the smart and advanced? I envy. Warmth to you in the world ...
The USSR fell due to the fact that stupid, power-hungry scum who believed that, like you, the doctrine is omnipotent, so there is no need to take a steam bath. It is itself. Omnipotent! And while they are busy with their little affairs, well, they will amuse greed, enjoy meanness, be lazy to their best. After all, power is when everything is done for you, and you just point your finger and enjoy))
That's just THIS stage you can't go through like that. Here, just another thing was required of the authorities. But when the USSR began to die from their activities, they blamed the people. They say the people are bad, drink and do not follow their brilliant instructions! And they decided that the "invisible hand" would fix everything, with the whip of hunger and the carrot of money. And capitalism, as a much more primitive system, requires for its management not just a mind (which they had a strong shortage) but already a genius! Before the Obama team, the United States had such a system that you just rock it. Here our bastards do not pull any more. Fortunately, Putin went through a sickly school, and, unlike the others, he is smart, though not a genius. But we still go to the trash heap.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

The USSR fell due to the fact that stupid power-hungry bastards crammed into its power

How useless and wretched was the system of political and administrative elites in the USSR ... In the opinion of ardent supporters of communism.
No one discredits the Soviet past as much as those who dream of reviving it

Quote: Mikhail3

oh, we still go to the trash heap.

You might be.

[Mikhail3]

Yes, the system gradually became like this. We failed. But now it is the participants of that system that are leading Russia where it goes) Just the most cunning, mean and, excuse me, stupid. The very qualities that led the USSR to collapse. Those are the people who most effectively destroyed the country. They did great to destroy, more than that, they do not know how to do anything. The Temple of Artemis of Ephesus was built for more than ten years by thousands of people. And he burned it alone with a firebrand. These guys are the ones who rule us. With a firebrand. Where will they lead us? Choose the answer yourself)

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

Just the most cunning, mean and, excuse me, stupid.

Yes, yes, yes, they say that our partners are ready for anyone except them, including the communists.

Quote: Mikhail3

Where will they lead us?

To the future. Not ideal, but real, without trying to build another utopia.

Quote: Mikhail3

Yes, the system gradually became like this.

And whose problem is it? People remained people, such are the facts.

[Mikhail3]

I wonder if you get paid for this, or what?) They will not lead us into the future. Capitalism will lead us to the destruction of civilization, either by an all-out war or by the collapse of production chains. Moreover, our country, quite possibly, will not see either the first or the second, because the quality of our governance is lower than low. And capitalism, just to stay afloat, needs real geniuses. To somehow kulthalt.
Regarding utopia you have)) That's just the point. This is what you are trying to blab, either for money, or out of conviction. But you are just trying to chat, there are no arguments. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that you are sincere in trying not to see the obvious.
Then again - complex projects can only and exclusively be carried out according to a plan built by the smartest engineers and scientists you can find, and constantly accompanied by them. Any objections? Well, other than the brain-thinning talk of "utopia"? Hehe ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

Capitalism will lead us to the destruction of civilization, either by an all-out war or by the collapse of production chains.

Something like that is not visible yet.

Quote: Mikhail3

But you are just trying to chat, there are no arguments. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that you are sincere in trying not to see the obvious.

It is obvious that people are far from ideal (Machiavelli wrote about this) and no beautiful theories will change this.

Quote: Mikhail3

Then again - complex projects can only and exclusively be carried out according to a plan built by the smartest engineers and scientists you can find, and constantly accompanied by them. Any objections?

And this is how it is done all over the world. The so-called "invisible hand" is a fiction, and in all countries (capitalist) global projects are done this way.

[Mikhail3]

Hehe ... So the global project is the management of the country economy. And you mean the price of underpants and the "global" forecast for the release of underpants for three months. And at any moment a competitor will buy officials, and your cowards will be recognized as "environmentally harmful." Or they will find swine flu in them. After that, your global plans will go away ... they go far, in general) You see, huh? I'm right. Yes, however, not me, but great minds. Socialism, that is, the management of the economy according to a single plan, and everything that socialism accompanies, there is no alternative, and it cannot be.
Having committed a counter-revolution in our country, we have deprived our country and ourselves of the future. Well, that is, we did it a little earlier, having gathered in the CPSU and the government all the abominations from all over the country. And already an abomination ...
I can't imagine how Putin works with this whole gang. How does it feel for him to communicate with them ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

So the global project is the management of the country economy.

All over the world, strategic and vital industries are linked to the state.

Quote: Mikhail3

And at any moment a competitor will buy officials

There was corruption in the USSR.

Quote: Mikhail3

Socialism, that is, the management of the economy according to a single plan, and everything that socialism accompanies, there is no alternative, and it cannot be.

Is that why he failed?

Quote: Mikhail3

Well, that is, we did it a little earlier, having gathered in the CPSU and the government all the abominations from all over the country.

That is, you yourself are claiming that the system was not viable.

[Mikhail3]

Yes. Instead of "competing in the market," the capitalists kill each other with power.
Yes, it was. They actively fought against it, and did not make it the essence of the system.
He died because the whole world fought against him) If everyone around you turns against you, how long will you hold out, even if you are very strong, smart, and you have the best education?
Socialism is the only viable system at the moment. But the then USSR - no. USSR and socialism are not identical)

[Mikhail3]

In general, as it is fed up. I hope you made enough money on me, and I explained my point of view for those who read such discussions. We both win) The technique of sliding, when you, unable to refute the main thesis, jump to the sides, fool your heads, but does not bring the truth closer.
Planning the economy and consumption in a single plan drawn up by the best minds is undeniable. Socialism or general death from chaos. Alas.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

Yes. Instead of "competing in the market," the capitalists kill each other with power.

Do you think that there were no undercover intrigues in the USSR? Seriously?

Quote: Mikhail3

Yes, it was. They actively fought against it, and did not make it the essence of the system.

In theory. Almost everything was sad.

Quote: Mikhail3

He died because the whole world fought against him) If everyone around you turns against you, how long will you hold out, even if you are very strong, smart, and you have the best education?

Uh-huh, Tell me from the country where Gorbachev, Yeltsin, etc. penetrated into it?

Quote: Mikhail3

Socialism is the only viable system at the moment.

Where?

Quote: Mikhail3

The technique of sliding, when you, unable to refute the main thesis, jump to the sides, fools heads, but does not bring the truth closer.

That you are self-critical.

[Mikhail3]

Planning the economy and consumption in a single plan drawn up by the best minds is undeniable.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

Planning the economy and consumption in a single plan drawn up by the best minds is undeniable.

In theory. In life, everything is good in moderation.

[Mikhail3]

Planning the economy and consumption in a single plan drawn up by the best minds is undeniable.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mikhail3

Planning the economy and consumption in a single plan drawn up by the best minds is undeniable.

Quote: Dart2027

In theory. In life, everything is good in moderation.

[amr]

Quote: svp67

What war? The Ministry of Emergency Situations has in its structure a bunch of highly professional rescuers whose task is not to die heroically, but to save people and stay alive. And then the minister, who doesn't go anywhere without an escort, personally went to rescue ...

I also think this is a utopia, especially the general, in theory he should be fired in disgrace for this!

[amr]

Quote: Mikhail3

They brought the authorities to the countryside for a booze. They got drunk and killed. It's a shame, of course, but the truth would have warmed me, at least they don't try to stir my brains, they respect me. And so all these official statements are just rot and shame ...

here it is most likely true, and they will give him a hero medal and family allowances!

[Sotnikoff]

My condolences to relatives .. So they can sacrifice themselves for the sake of saving subordinates only in Russia.!
PS I look to vulgarize everything, libber demons .. God is your judge

[Dart2027]

I read the comments and "feel touched". Collect half of these commentators and send the same forests to extinguish. And then they are so smart and all-knowing, they will solve all the problems at once.

[monster]

I am also touched by you. They extinguish the light, and the fire (forest) is extinguished. So don’t go in, you don’t even know that, "aksakal."

[Dart2027]

That is, apart from a clerk (just noticed that he forgot to turn off the light in the kitchen), there is nothing to object?

[sniperino]

Quote: Dart2027

Collect half of these commentators and send the same forests to extinguish.

Forests will burn: these commentators can only kindle.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

I don't know what he was like in life, and how much harm he brought to my state, but he died as a hero, helping out a comrade

[Nychego]

Quote: Alexey Koshkarov

died as a hero, helping out a friend

The notorious Simonyan quickly riveted this tale on her knee and put it into circulation.
The first news was more honest: he died while observing the local beauties of nature. They fell together: the Miller either tried to grab hold of him, or pushed him when he himself was falling - this can no longer be established.
The moral is simple: do not go on slippery stones by the waterfalls with a little drunk elderly directors.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Nychego

The moral is simple: do not go on slippery stones by the waterfalls with a little drunk elderly directors.

Or put a slightly drunk elderly director (and, at the same time, yourself) on self-insurance. All cases - a loop on a suitable ledge and two safety bars. And after that, enjoy the beauty, take pictures, and even, if you wish, drink vodka.
And to the friendly Lisitsyna words
The crow croaked its entire throat:
The cheese fell out - and hung on a self-belay... ((c) mountaineering and climbing classics, also relevant for speleologists)

[Sands Careers General]

How so? Where are the details?

[yfast]

Hero of Russia was given. I don’t understand why?

[Sergey1964]

Quote: yfast

Hero of Russia was given. I don’t understand why?

To be honest, I didn't understand either. Two people (the minister and the director) went by helicopter to see the beauty of the Kitabo-Oron waterfall in the nature reserve on the Putorana plateau. Both died due to non-observance of elementary safety measures (lack of self-belay on a slippery cliff). The minister was given a Hero of Russia, but the director was not.

[Santa Fe]

Hero of Russia was given. I don’t understand why?

None of your business

People made their way to leadership positions using their ingenuity and luck. now, having achieved everything in this life, they can reward each other with whatever they wish

[Tank jacket]

I'll just leave it here ...

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Tank jacket

I'll just leave it here ...

The minister, who specially arrived from Moscow to knock concrete on the 9th floor with his own hands, is like the director of a plant who personally helps the cleaners to sweep the territory during working hours. The task of the minister is not to replace professional rescuers (who, unlike him, have special training), but to organize the matter so that the service works like clockwork.
And regarding the fact that he personally coordinated the actions of subordinates. What kind of service is this if an entire minister is required to coordinate the dismantling of the debris after the gas explosion? And if, God forbid, simultaneously with the explosion in Magnitogorsk, a gas explosion occurs in Vladivostok - will the local rescuers sit and wait for the minister to free himself in Magnitogorsk and fly to Vladivostok to coordinate their actions? And what if any other emergency that requires urgent decisions? Wait, the minister is busy - is he hammering concrete in Magnitogorsk?

[Tank jacket]

Sergei, I will not go on reconnaissance with you ...
My friends are better than you ...

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Tank jacket

Sergei, I will not go on reconnaissance with you ...

Well, don't go, what problems. And in general, at 56, I am a bit old to go to reconnaissance. I haven’t gone to the taiga for two years already - what kind of intelligence. ))

Quote: Tank jacket

My friends are better than you ...

Maybe better, maybe worse. Depends on what criteria are used for the assessment. ;)
And now - in essence. Do you sincerely think that if the Minister of Emergency Situations specially flies from Moscow to Magnitogorsk in order to personally supervise the dismantling of the blockage after the explosion in household gas and personally hammer the concrete, then this is a good minister?
I now think that this is a bad minister. Since he, performing the work of an ordinary rescuer, does not do what he is paid a ministerial salary for.
In addition, as an ordinary rescuer, he is a ballast, he does not know how to do anything as a rescuer. He did not even manage to organize an elementary self-insurance while inspecting the waterfall in the reserve on the Putorana plateau, as a result of which he died and killed the 63-year-old director. Although organizing self-insurance in such a situation is the basics. This is almost the first thing that novice climbers are taught. Yes, and all the cases were there, as I already wrote above - a loop from the main rope to a suitable ledge of the rock, plus two safety mustaches for the chest harnesses (which are corny made from a piece of re-cord), and better - for the chest harness & gazebo system (of which there are now a lot, good and different). And that's it, enjoy the views, take pictures, drink vodka ...
And if the director needs to walk along a cliff to select a shooting point - a railing from the main rope, and the same safety mustache on the carabiner, on the grasping knot, on the "guide" or on the "stirrup". And walk along the railing rope as long as you like.

So, I will repeat the question. Do you really think that a minister who, being an absolute zero as a rescuer, flies from Moscow to Magnitogorsk to personally carry out the work of an ordinary rescuer is a good minister?

[Sergey1964]

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So, I will repeat the question. Do you really think that a minister who, being an absolute zero as a rescuer, flies from Moscow to Magnitogorsk to personally carry out the work of an ordinary rescuer is a good minister?

H'm. I have not received an answer yet, but I received a minus. For me a minus for what ?! After all, it was not me who flew to Magnitogorsk to pound concrete on the 9th floor for a ministerial salary. And it was not me who broke the TB rules while walking with a 63-year-old director on wet and / or icy rocks above a waterfall in the Putoransky Nature Reserve.
And in general, I'm good. I even worked as an instructor in children's and youth tour-speleo camps, and even took a group of teenagers to a pedestrian "troika" in a mountainous taiga area - and I didn't kill anyone. Even there were no injuries, neither bodily nor mental - in vain they just carried with them the first aid kits all the way.
There is no justice in the world. One - the title of Hero for a gross violation of TB, resulting in human casualties. And to another - a minus for explaining how it was necessary to organize insurance in that situation.

[Humpty]

Quote: Sergey1964

One - the title of Hero for a gross violation of TB, resulting in human casualties. And to another - a minus for explaining how it was necessary to organize insurance in that situation.

Man, do you think that the majority here do not understand what and how should have been done, in general terms? Maybe on this day it was not worth adding an unfulfilled list of actions, but expressing condolences or keeping silent ...
And I would have kept silent, reading your comments, but long ago, approximately in your year of birth, a person died in our area who used one of the means of protection you mentioned as acceptable. I hope you guessed which one.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Humpty

in our area there was a death of a person who used one of the means of protection you mentioned as acceptable. I hope you guessed which one.

Since I indicated only one thing as a means of protection - self-insurance, I do not need to guess.
So, in your area around 1964, someone sat on a self-belay, but died. Since you did not indicate the circumstances of the death, and I believe the deceased is competent, I will venture to suggest that it was in the mountains or on the rocks, and a stone / rockfall flew in from above, or a snow slab / avalanche descended.

[Humpty]

Quote: Sergey1964

Since you did not indicate the circumstances of death,

People were descending from the mountain, there was a steep section, there really are 87 degrees, one on the descent hung due to something, was in one chest harness. Suffocated in half an hour. You can figure out the rest. Of my well-known people, CCM-owls and masters, three died (three different cases) due to the fact that something elementary got wet. For the rest who are not, you cannot say so. Unfortunately, it happens.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Humpty

one on the descent hung due to something, was in one chest harness. Suffocated in half an hour.

Familiar situation. My comrade under the ground almost suffocated on a plumb line. We were young and stupid, we descended with a "rocker" (the local name for a sports rappelling), as a self-belay - a grasping knot plus a chest harness made from an Abalakovskiy belt. I went down normally, and he hung, grabbing a drag. I am below, he is above, except for us in the cave - no one else.
In short, I climbed the same rope on self-grabs and burned the safety mustache with a candle (again, due to my youth, stupidity, the knife in the pocket of my overalls turned out to be squeezed by a gazebo, I had to use a candle).

Later they realized that he had to tie a stirrup on a rope, stand in it and unload the safety mustache.

[Humpty]

Quote: Sergey1964

Later they realized that he had to tie a stirrup on a rope, stand in it and unload the safety mustache.

Badkists are sure to teach this and would-be pro-malpers. I always carried a knife with me, where it is cool. I used it myself once, messed up something on the descent, probably a bit high, just after I screwed up on the wall. Once passed on to another.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Humpty

Badkists are sure to teach this and would-be pro-malpers.

And it is right. But, again, we were very young and very stupid then. And no one taught us, because the company was self-made and did not belong to any clubs-sections. But, surprisingly, there were no corpses, but even no serious injuries.

Quote: Humpty

I used it myself once, messed up something on the descent

I once (no longer being young and stupid) broke my rib under the ground. He was the last in the youth group, at the same time playing the role of the leader (there were not enough instructors). So I hurried on the descent (with the same "rocker"), and I was struck by the ledge. I did not tell anyone, they made a full walkthrough, the youth were credited with a full-fledged 2B. And most of all I got tired at the exit, already not far from the surface. There is one narrowness (in local slang - calibration), where you have to bend with the letter "Zyu". And I again walked the rear, and even dragged the transporter with ropes, since the youth had died by that time. Wow and swearing ...

[JIIOTbIu]

Condolences to loved ones.

[Kushka]

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Violation of security requirements is already visible ... for which he personally punished his subordinates

Remember how at Bogomolov's Tamantsev he accompanied his general to the front line. With swearing and podzhopnik. Because the operation could not fail. So, a good warrant officer would have been there, he would have made a noise at this general, but with a swearing word, because you are violating ... And both would be alive. And they would have watched the shot under the cognac with lemon, maybe they even dripped it to the ensign (although it is unlikely).

[vadivm59]

Today we have already reported in the news that the Minister has been awarded the title of Hero of Russia. What's going on in our award system !? for what!? we also had an emergency at our production site yesterday. my friend fell unsuccessfully, and knocked out a shoulder joint. On sick leave, thank God he’s alive. So my question is, he’s got some kind of medal? The hero will definitely not be given, he’s alive.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: vadivm59

the hero will not be given for sure, but alive.

And the order will not be given. The crew of the Be-200, who died in Turkey, were given not Heroes, but the Order of Courage. And the test pilots who died on the Il-112V received only the Order of Courage. So the orders are also only posthumous.
But don't let your friend get upset. You can go to the medals no - they make any medals on the shoe to order according to the customer's design. I looked at product samples - beautiful, just like real ones. The minimum order amount is 15 thousand rubles. So he can order a series (for example, "For an injury sustained in the line of duty"), reward himself, and the rest reward those colleagues who also had industrial injuries.

[Santa Fe]

for what!?

For achievements in life

The man made his way to the ministers

[Alex Justice]

Probably a dozen witnesses, but no one saw anything. Heroism is in doubt.

[Konnick]

a dozen witnesses

And no one jumped to save, which is strange.