The Israeli company was going to supply ATGM Spike LR2 to Serbia and Poland

Rafael Advanced Defense Systems from Israel actively promotes its products at international military exhibitions. She recently presented the missiles at the MSPO exhibition in Kielce, Poland. Rafael produces the Spike LR2 ATGM system and expects that they will be acquired not only in Poland, but also in Serbia.

Earlier, the regional director of Rafael Al Zaher said in an interview with Serbian television that Israel and Serbia are negotiating a possible sale of Spike LR2 anti-tank missile systems to the Serbian government. On the Serbian market, the company already operates in cooperation with the state defense company Yugoimport-SDPR.

In addition to Serbia, the company is going to actively work in Poland: it was the only Israeli military-industrial firm at the recent arms exhibition and expects that Warsaw will be interested in its products.

The first deal with Poland was signed back in 2003, when Polish partners received technologies for the production of anti-tank missile systems. Then another contract was awarded, expiring in 2021. Therefore, now Rafael is promoting the idea of ​​signing a new agreement that would allow the sale of Israeli missile systems to Poland.

If Serbia and Poland acquire Spike LR2, then they will enter the "club" of Israeli ATGM owners in Eastern Europe. Currently, the Israeli-made complex is already in service with the armies of countries such as Hungary, Slovakia and Estonia.

Recall that the Spike LR2 belongs to the family of Israeli multi-functional anti-tank missile systems Spike. An analysis of the export deliveries of Israeli missile systems shows that they are somewhat cheaper than their main competitor, the American Javelin.

The cost of the Israeli complex is about 200 thousand dollars, while the cost of Javelin is about 240 thousand dollars. It is known about Spike missiles that they can be equipped with combined, fragmentation and cumulative warheads. Thus, for Serbia and Poland, the acquisition of an Israeli missile system would be a profitable decision, given the high quality of Rafael products and their effectiveness.

Comments

[OgnennyiKotik]

Spike made an advertisement for themselves in Karabakh. Along with the UAVs, they made a decisive contribution to the victory of Azerbaijan. Turned over the battlefield.

[For example]

Pashinyan lost the war in Karabakh with his Caudle.
The Armenians decided to deceive everyone.
It's a trendy thing for ex to sit on two chairs. Hi Luka.
The Armenians' jo-pa could not stand the strain - it was torn.
In the end, let them say thanks to Putin that some part of Karabakh remained.

On the drum what kind of ammunition were destroyed certain objects. At least from the RPG-7.
This is secondary.

There is a kidnyak of the Armenian leadership there.

And most importantly, the Armenians are satisfied with it.
Pashinyan is in place.

[donavi49]

At least from the RPG-7.
This is secondary.

Delusion. If it had turned out as the Armenians had hoped - living waves of Azerbaijanis are coming, and they are heroically resisting, then Karabakh would have survived. And all that technique would be enough.

The war was turned upside down with all sorts of cunning modern weapons. What we did:
a) Inflict serious losses in technology. It would be incredibly difficult to make an operational maneuver in the rear. For all the columns actively fought both with local means and on a tip with all sorts of MLRS / Art / OTRK / Su-25.
b) Undermine the morale. It's one thing when you fight valiantly against losses. And another thing is when you are sitting, you don't really see anyone, and then once it flew into the dugout, half of the squad was torn while they were being dug up, a repetition flew in and a bunch of people tore apart, but the enemy was not visible. Or the equipment in the rear, once and again, and half of the tank platoon threw the turrets.
c) Provide an advantage in combined arms combat. When the fortified positions are thoroughly and accurately aligned. There are the same videos from Spike - Azerbaijanis launch rockets up the hill from a closed position, knocking out tanks dug in the tower, and then, somehow, the Armenians' desire to defend the hill disappears. If the Azerbaijanis had run into this hill with BMP-3 / T90 and infantry, it would have staunchly defended with the help of the attached tanks.

[sabakina]

OgnennyiKotik, so what? You can win the battle, but you can lose the war. Sometimes you have to think with both hemispheres of the brain.

[Karos]

I think you definitely need to think if you do not distinguish between battle and war ...

[Kaw]

Well, that's okay. Our tanks are protected by visors, they are not afraid.

[PCF]

Comrades and all sorts of gentlemen! Look at how a soldier of Artsakh (aka Karabakh), a technically competent person with some experience, saw it from the inside. I heard a lot of interesting things for myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj8KXIYkYS4

[PCF]

Even the video is crookedly inserted

[Ross xnumx]

How can we not be “happy” for the successes of the Israeli military industry ... Why is Russia not promoting its weapons to Iran? Here the variety of species will not be able to satisfy even the smallest need. And, most importantly, it does not matter who Iran will use these weapons against. No politics - pure business ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: ROSS 42

How can we not be “happy” for the successes of the Israeli military industry ... Why is Russia not promoting its weapons to Iran? Here the variety of species will not be able to satisfy even the smallest need. And, most importantly, it does not matter who Iran will use these weapons against. No politics - pure business ...

They don't want to pay. And you don’t want to give them for free.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

They don't want to pay. And you don’t want to give them for free.

You can get more fees from Iran than from Poland and Serbia. By the way, not apples or frog skins ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: ROSS 42

You can get more fees from Iran than from Poland and Serbia. By the way, not apples or frog skins ...

Perhaps. But today they do not want to.

The Iranian authorities refuse to pay Russia $ 500 million of debt for the construction of the Bushehr-2 nuclear power plant. According to the assurances of the Iranian side, the US sanctions are to blame, which blocked Tehran's money in Japanese and South Korean banks, Russian Ambassador to Iran Levan Dzhagaryan told RIA Novosti. 23

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Perhaps. But today they do not want to.

Perhaps it reads differently:

Iranian authorities while will not pay Russia a debt of $ 500 million for construction work at the Bushehr-2 nuclear power plant... This was announced by the Russian Ambassador to the country Levan Jagaryan.
According to RIA Novosti, the diplomat explained that due to US sanctions, Iran's funds were blocked in banks in Japan and South Korea. It has not yet been possible to resolve this issue, but the NPP personnel are working as usual.

They don't WANT and CANNOT - it's a big difference ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Perhaps. But today they do not want to.

Perhaps it reads differently:

The Iranian authorities will not yet pay Russia a debt of $ 500 million for construction work at the Bushehr-2 nuclear power plant... This was announced by the Russian Ambassador to the country Levan Jagaryan.
According to RIA Novosti, the diplomat explained that due to US sanctions, Iran's funds were blocked in banks in Japan and South Korea. It has not yet been possible to resolve this issue, but the NPP personnel are working as usual.

They don't WANT and CANNOT - it's a big difference ...

Agree. But nevertheless, this limits Iran's orders.

[sabakina]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: ROSS 42

You can get more fees from Iran than from Poland and Serbia. By the way, not apples or frog skins ...

Perhaps. But today they do not want to.

The Iranian authorities refuse to pay Russia $ 500 million of debt for the construction of the Bushehr-2 nuclear power plant. According to the assurances of the Iranian side, the US sanctions are to blame, which blocked Tehran's money in Japanese and South Korean banks, Russian Ambassador to Iran Levan Dzhagaryan told RIA Novosti. 23

Aaron, and what? Should we "kill" Iran because the US has taken away their money? Did he understand what he said?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: sabakina

Aaron, and what? Should we "kill" Iran because the US has taken away their money? Did he understand what he said?

And where I wrote the nonsense voiced by you? I wrote that the Russian Federation does not want to supply weapons on credit.

[Recoil]

What should we promote? We do not have ATGM "fire and forget".

[isv000]

Quote: ROSS 42

Why is Russia not promoting its weapons to Iran?

Nobody knows what could be on the ships sailing in the Caspian Sea .. Yes, the Persians themselves are not armless, they make crafts on the sly and keep quiet ...

[Kaw]

And what can we offer Iran that it itself does not have? For example, I heard that Iran has been producing its own copy of the Kornet ATGM for a long time. Perhaps we can offer them nuclear weapons, but this is hardly.

[Nikolaevich I]

Serbia has a RALAS ATGM with a range of up to 10 km ... (thermal or television optical head + telecontrol via fiber optic link + inertial-satellite unit ...) If my memory serves me, the ATGM does not have a "fire and forget" mode; that is " the optical head "is not a seeker ... But they could have done it since the ATGM is in service!" And the rest ... like a "spike"! That is why it is surprising that the Serbs are striving to get the "spike"! The "spike" can be called first of all (except for the price ... ) such a disadvantage as subsonic speed, which increases the flight time and allows the enemy to prepare for the interception of the "item" ... But this is more "critical" in modifications of the "maximum" ranges and less critical with a short range of application of the anti-tank gun, especially in the homing mode without using FOCL ... In principle, the mentioned "drawback" is not a constructive flaw ... The subsonic speed of the "spike" is determined by the presence of a wired guidance system (FOCL) and greater "comfort" of targeting, which also affects the increase in guidance accuracy. ..

[Professor]

1. UFO has no wired connection
2. All Spikes can be launched out of line of sight of the target and, accordingly, the enemy does not observe the launch. The arrival of the rocket will be a surprise.
3. Looks like Serbia did not pull its ATGM further than the prototype. Not so simple.
4. Spike's warhead "has no analogs in the world"
5. The system has been tested in battle.

[Nikolaevich I]

Thank you, professor, for the clarification! I had information on "radio channel" "spikes", but I was too lazy to look into my "archive"; but the memory did not suggest, because. not interested in "spikes" for a long time ... Regarding warheads ... "spike is not a spike", but I had to read about 2 types of warheads in Israel, which belong to "multipurpose", "multifunctional", "universal" ... me and "marking" them ... but again too lazy to dig into the "archive" ... so "in 5 minutes" you can't do it! But at one time, the mention of such warheads prompted me to study the "topic finally"! Now I know several types of "universal" warheads ...

[Professor]

There is one type, but it can be initiated in different ways.

[stone]

The subsonic speed "spike" is determined by the presence of a wire guidance system (FOCL)

If I don’t confuse anything, it’s just that LR2 no longer has a cable, but a protected radio channel. As for speed, it is a conscious choice of the manufacturer for many reasons.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: stone

just the same, LR2 no longer has a cable, but a protected radio channel

Yes ... I somehow forgot that, in addition to the "spikes" from the FOCL, there were also "spikes" with the radio channel! For a long time something I was not interested in "spikes", although I have in the "archive" infa and LR2! That means that "laziness was born ahead"! But all the same ... "spikes" from FOCLs remain in service and are supplied ... As for the speed ... the higher the missile speed, the greater the probability that the operator's reaction will be late in the mode: "I shoot, I see, I aim." .. I heard a story that when developing a new modification of the "spike", the Israeli "pilots" asked the developers to slightly reduce the speed of the ATGM ... like, the speed decreases, the guidance accuracy increases!

[Professor]

Quote: stone

The subsonic speed "spike" is determined by the presence of a wire guidance system (FOCL)

If I don’t confuse anything, it’s just that LR2 no longer has a cable, but a protected radio channel. As for speed, it is a conscious choice of the manufacturer for many reasons.

Confused. She has a lace.

[stone]

I saw that there was really a cable from the ground-based PU, and a radio channel in the helicopter version.

[semuel]

The market eats the market, suits the offer-bought.

[A. Privalov]

She recently presented the missiles at the MSPO exhibition in Kielce, Poland.

Yes, perhaps not so long ago, considering that the exhibition in Kielce opened only yesterday.

By the way, Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) are among the companies competing for the supply of missiles for Poland's new air defense system. Details of the plans will be presented there at the MSPO defense industry exhibition. The exhibition will run until September 10.
For those interested in the topic - fresh "pictures from the exhibition":

[tlauicol]

Estonians shot themselves in the summer

[A. Privalov]

The device has been tried and tested.
Operator countries:
Australia
Azerbaijan
Belgium
Brazil
Israel
Canada
Chile
Colombia
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Ecuador
Estonia
Finland
Germany
India
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Netherlands
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Thailand
South Korea
Spain
Britain
USA

[Kaw]

Russia urgently needs to develop military air defense against such targets, otherwise there will be trouble, as in Karabakh IMHO.
And this air defense should be inexpensive and massive.