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How to try on the role of a resident of new Siberian cities?

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Photo: press service of the RF Ministry of Defense


So, the new leader and first in the list of "United Russia" and concurrently Defense Minister Sergei Kozhugetovich Shoigu recently announced a plan to build five cities in Siberia with a population of 300 thousand to 1 million in order to develop the region.

The idea is global, somewhat similar to the resettlement of people by Stolypin and the construction of cities in the USSR. Still, the Russian Empire is one historical milestone, the Soviet Union is the second and the Russian Federation is the third.

Having carefully read many of Shoigu's interviews on this topic, in principle, I understood what his plan was. More precisely, a plan on the basis of which a real plan will be developed. And on the basis of what I read and heard, I tried to imagine the role of a resident of such a new city. Let's say, between Bratsk and Krasnoyarsk, as Sergei Kozhugetovich said.

Between Bratsk and Krasnoyarsk 550 km, in the middle of Kansk and Taishet, the places, let's say, are not very attractive. Of these four cities, only Krasnoyarsk stands out for the fact that literally the last two years it has been demonstrating population growth. The rest - since 2012, the population has been steadily decreasing.

That is, there is simply nowhere to take people on the spot for new cities "with a population from 300 thousand to 1 million" (quote - approx.), Which means that it is necessary to attract from other regions.

As the practice of the Far East has shown, this business in our country is, to put it mildly, ungrateful. Well, no one really went for the Far Eastern hectare. And, by the way, not in vain, because as the locals explained to me (for example, Alexander Romanov, who is well-known on our website), you need to understand where these hectares are distributed. And how easy it is to conduct communications there. The same water for irrigation.

Let's say, somewhere in the Siberian bowels ... no, not a city. A city-forming plant around which a city can be built. Not 300 thousand, as Shoigu says, but 50 thousand. This is a more realistic figure and it is easier to collect it. It is clear that the plant must be simply huge. And to its employees it will be necessary to add the full social sphere: kindergartens, schools, colleges, clinics, hospitals, maternity hospitals, and so on. Shops, cafes, households, cinema. Otherwise, it will not be life in the city, but an ordinary watch. For which there is nothing to fence at all.

Having mentioned above the reforms of Peter Stolypin, as a result of which my relatives moved from the Oryol province to Kazakhstan to free lands, it so happened that I know how this happened. We have many long-livers in our family.

How did Russia resettle its citizens to new lands? Not all were sent, there was a selection commission. At the set time (in the fall, of course), wagons and platforms were brought in for loading log cabins, livestock and other belongings. And the money was given out for the purchase of everything necessary. 50 rubles for a travel loan and 200 rubles for arrangement.

They have not yet said how they will be resettled now. But if I decided, for example, to move under such a program to a new city and become its inhabitant, what should I think about first of all?

That's right, about housing. That is, about the place where I will not just live, but comfortable. Sorry, the 21st century is in the yard and the days of dugouts and barracks are over. And I don't want this romance, to be honest.

From a heap of read interviews, I understood one thing: Shoigu does not understand how to attract people to these cities. "Preferential mortgage" - sorry, does not sound. In principle, this can be expected from a minister, but alas, not a single minister in our country can really imagine what a mortgage is in general. For them it is as empty a phrase as "macaroshki are the same everywhere."

So, in Siberia, prices are somewhat different from what I am used to. Yes, plus a mortgage, albeit preferential. Inevitably, you begin to think about what level of salaries should be in these cities in order to master all this.

But preferential mortgages are not an option either. Buying housing there is generally stupid, investing your money in a project that may not "play" - it somehow even looks strange. And a mortgage in a city where you will never sell a purchased property is still fun.

And if it really doesn't work out? Staying with a mortgage and an apartment in Siberia without a chance to sell is a plot for a horror movie.

So I will give a hint to Sergei Kuzhugetovich: social recruitment at the lowest price, or give it out, as in the USSR. That is, free. Or for use with the option of redemption.

Otherwise, it all looks like a kind of Russian roulette.

The older generations will not go. It is not easy to move from familiar places. Average ... Well, if a skilled worker who receives 70 thousand in Voronezh will receive 200 in Siberia, they will probably go. But with an eye on their rear, because in the same Moscow you can have the same money under more comfortable conditions. Moscow is not Siberia.

Young people, moreover, will not go anywhere. The young people who once built BAM and others were somewhat different people. Today's can only be lured by something very profitable. But not a mortgage, a young family can take a mortgage in their city. Where there are relatives who can and help if something happens.

By the way, about young families. They sometimes tend to multiply. And then the urgent need for doctors and various institutions of a medical nature begins. And this is where the problems begin again.

Our medicine, which is such a pitiful sight, depends today on the payments of insurance companies. The more passed through the patient facility, the more money it will receive. In theory. Well, the doctors are getting something. So not a single normal doctor will go to some city to sit in an empty clinic or hospital. It is not beneficial for him / her. Especially when you consider the housing issue.

I don’t know how in Siberia, but in our Chernozem region it is very difficult to find a hospital or a polyclinic that is 100% staffed. There are not enough doctors. And this is in the capital of the region. That in smaller and simpler cities is probably not worth talking about?

The question will also arise with such a category as teachers. They also need to be taken from somewhere. And salaries for them too. And for communal workers, without whom nowhere. For law enforcement officers, judges, tax officials and officials. I am sure there will be no problems with the latter, but about the rest of the question.

Many people who COULD become useful residents for these cities will still look to work in these cities for a lot of money as a watch. Moreover, this is how the majority will look. Until everything settles down, no one will take children to Tmutarakan, for whom there really should be a normal infrastructure.
Five cities. From 300 thousand to a million. Take half a million, even in this case there will be two and a half million people. The Voronezh region in full force will have to withdraw from the place and move to Siberia.

In general, there is no reason for this. Let's take another excursion into history.

After the liberation of the serfs in 1861, the country's population grew very rapidly: in 50 years it increased 2,3 times - up to 170 million people. Today we have a steady decline in the population. The opposite is true.

The population surplus in the European part of Russia, according to the 1897 census, was 35 percent. The population of modern Russia is less than in the Russian Empire, and so far there are no prerequisites for it to increase so much.

The construction of cities in the case when our population is decreasing, will only aggravate the situation in cities, from which the population is already fleeing. It is clear that from Kansk, Taishet and Bratsk people go to Krasnoyarsk, which is relatively good in this regard.

Why do you need to build a new city, spend huge sums on it, if there is no one to settle it? You shouldn't count on migrants so much, they won't go to Siberia. This is not the place. Or really there is only one way out - to fill up with money and free housing.

But the question immediately arises: is it not better to build these enterprises for the processing of timber, ore and other things where people already live? Relying on the working hands that are already in the region, and not on the mythical ones, which will be taken by magic.

The idea of ​​processing plants in Siberia is good. Especially when you consider with what delight, for the sake of a certain group of people, the woodworking industry, which was built in the USSR, was destroyed.

The idea of ​​pouring money into the development of the region in order to increase the attractiveness of Siberia for potential employees is good. But why exactly in such a way as the construction of new cities, with the simultaneous destruction of old ones is a question.

In general, there are more questions than answers in this story so far. But it is worth taking a sober look at the present day. Today Russia does not have as many opportunities and such potential as the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union had. It is a fact.

Therefore, of course, we can pretend that we can handle such projects, but it would be better to direct our efforts to at least maintain in a working condition that which we inherited from the USSR 30 years ago. Even so. To start.

And start thinking a little differently.

“You can think of a system of lifting, preferential loans for newcomers, the provision of comfortable housing or land plots for building your own house on a“ Siberian ”mortgage. To increase the size of maternity capital and much more ”- S. Shoigu.

Loans, loans, credits. That is. I, as a potential resident of such a city, will have to pay for it. To pay for the fact that I will move to Siberia, to develop the region.

No, it doesn't look attractive. Here is the Moscow region or the Black Earth region - yes. And Siberia on credit - no.

Perhaps I am not fit for the role of a resident of such a city. For now, at least.
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  1. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 11 September 2021 05: 13
    +63
    Communists, Komsomol members, when they voluntarily went to explore virgin lands, went for ideological reasons, now there is no ideology, there is no communism, there are oligarchs who will own all this wealth, it makes sense to ruin your health for a penny for the sake of their largest yachts.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 11 September 2021 05: 16
      +75
      what's wrong with our MO? just wondering where such fantasies come from, with a bunch of dying cities to build new ones ...
      1. Rockerman
        Rockerman 11 September 2021 06: 41
        +48
        Well, ambition. Obtrute plywood near BB, but it is not eternal. Again, a member is common. The rating of the plywood among the troops is so-so, so I decided to raise it, but made me laugh more.
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 11 September 2021 06: 48
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          Of these four cities, only Krasnoyarsk is distinguished by the fact that literally the last two years it has been demonstrating a decline in population. The rest - since 2012, the population has been steadily decreasing.

          Here, the author, did not understand anything at all. What did you mean?
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          2. Flooding
            Flooding 11 September 2021 08: 00
            +10
            Quote: Mitroha
            Here, the author, did not understand anything at all. What did you mean?

            the wording is crooked
            but it meant that the population of Krasnoyarsk is not constantly decreasing, unlike the other cities mentioned.
            1. dorz
              dorz 11 September 2021 08: 25
              +21
              The region with the new cities should be immediately named "Sibiristan" or "Xinjiang-Siberian Autonomous Region" so that friends will feel comfortable right away. sad
              1. Inturist
                Inturist 11 September 2021 09: 36
                +11
                Perhaps you are not far from the truth.
          3. Stas157
            Stas157 11 September 2021 08: 01
            +52
            Staying with a mortgage and an apartment in Siberia without a chance to sell is a plot for a horror movie.

            Give Putin and Shoigu a mortgage in Siberia and pay them in a normal way.

            Shoigu - the average Russian salary, but for Putin, of course, as a middle class - 17 thousand full-fledged Russian rubles. And let life rejoice! Siberia is being raised!
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 11 September 2021 14: 38
              +11
              Quote: Stas157
              And let life be happy! Siberia is being raised!

              They are now preoccupied with raising another organ .. there are many young mistresses .. and the organ is old ..
          4. Doctor
            Doctor 11 September 2021 09: 24
            0
            Here, the author, did not understand anything at all. What did you mean?

            Typo. Krasnoyarsk is growing.
            1. Mitroha
              Mitroha 11 September 2021 09: 28
              0
              Quote: Arzt
              Here, the author, did not understand anything at all. What did you mean?

              Typo. Krasnoyarsk is growing.

              Therefore, he asked, it is not clear, that he has been growing for the last two years, or that only has been decreasing for the last two years.
              In any case, you need to be more attentive to what you post for everyone to see or just do .. Refers not only to the author. Unfortunately, the general trend.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 11 September 2021 14: 39
                +1
                Quote: Mitroha
                In any case, you need to be more attentive to what you post for everyone to see or just do .. Refers not only to the author. Unfortunately, the general trend.

                Are you a censor? Alex? And your name is overseas ..
                1. Mitroha
                  Mitroha 11 September 2021 14: 40
                  -3
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Quote: Mitroha
                  In any case, you need to be more attentive to what you post for everyone to see or just do .. Refers not only to the author. Unfortunately, the general trend.

                  Are you a censor? Alex? And your name is overseas ..

                  Are you a stupid person? And do you judge by the name?
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 11 September 2021 14: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: Mitroha

                    Are you a stupid person? And do you judge by the name?

                    Alex .. if only Alexey .. something like ours .. and Alex ..? I guess I'm not smart .. only Alex can be smart .. laughing
                    1. Mitroha
                      Mitroha 11 September 2021 15: 35
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                      Quote: Svarog
                      Alex .. if only Alexey .. something like ours .. and Alex ..? I guess I'm not smart ... only Alex

                      Are you drinking? No more options request
          5. depressant
            depressant 11 September 2021 10: 21
            +20
            Dear Colleague, The Author meant that Krasnoyarsk has been showing population decline only in the last two years. The population of the other cities mentioned has been decreasing for a very long time.
            1. saigon
              saigon 12 September 2021 09: 32
              +1
              Yes, it is not possible in my Krasnoyarsk population decline, how so? New areas are growing like mushrooms.
            2. sleeve
              sleeve 12 September 2021 09: 57
              +2
              The rest are decreasing? We need to tell the Novosibirsk people. Well, in the district the same, the suburbs: Koltsovo, Iskitim, Berdsk. Further to the districts ... People will be surprised, standing in traffic jams, sometimes even on the highway ...
          6. Svarog
            Svarog 11 September 2021 14: 37
            -5
            Quote: Mitroha
            Of these four cities, only Krasnoyarsk is distinguished by the fact that literally the last two years it has been demonstrating a decline in population. The rest - since 2012, the population has been steadily decreasing.

            Here, the author, did not understand anything at all. What did you mean?

            What we have is what we will introduce .. the time will come ..
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 11 September 2021 07: 04
        +20
        Of all these fantasies voiced by the Ministry of Defense, only one is attractive - the construction of a city "from scratch"!
        This is the dream of any architect, engineer, builder. I am a construction engineer myself and I know what I am saying.
        With the right leadership and funding, without storming, you can build a really garden city! Thoughtful, handsome, with his own "face". In it from other regions would go on excursions!
        But what I have listed above - for the current situation - is an ordinary utopia. This is sad...
        1. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 11 September 2021 09: 12
          +17
          To build a city where people will come to live, it is necessary to provide them with work. This means that, in addition to housing, it is necessary to build enterprises and factories, and services for servicing the population.
          After all, one cannot build a city for pensioners.
          If we talk about housing, then it is expensive where there is work, and cheap where there is no work.
          It is necessary to populate Siberia, everyone agrees here. But if the birth rate is already falling, where to get people?
          In my opinion, taxation needs to be changed.
          The more children there are in the family, the lower the taxes, and with 4 or more children, they are generally exempted from taxes.
          And vice versa, there are no children, pay the so-called childlessness tax in full.
          Naturally, the state should support the family in addition to taxes.
          All this business is not one year, but cities are not built by magic.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 11 September 2021 11: 22
            +37
            Quote: Blacksmith 55
            It is necessary to populate Siberia, everyone agrees here. But if the birth rate is already falling, where to get people?

            It was necessary to think about fertility and demographic policy even "yesterday", and not when a roast cock pecked in the ass.
            1. The policy towards young families must be radically revised. When marrying, young people should immediately be handed the keys to a one-room apartment, as was the case in the GDR at the time. Then there will be fewer divorces and more children.
            2. The state should expand the network of free higher education with compulsory work of 3-5 years for distribution, as it was under the Union.
            3. The social sphere of such cities should be at the level of service of regional centers - at least! Otherwise, the youth will simply run away.
            4. Sports, schools, kindergartens, shops, health care, cultural institutions - should be fed from federal centers, work on innovative programs ...
            And yes, I agree with the suggestions of the Kuznetsov's colleague regarding the taxation of "those who do not want to breed poverty." As it was during the Soviet Union. (Women who are unmarried, sick and others who are not able to have children were exempted from this tax)
            All this is possible under one condition - changing the capitalist path of development to building a society WITH A HUMAN FACE.
            And it is high time to return to the people their historical ownership of the bowels and lands, which he mastered, abundantly pouring his blood.
            1. Esoteric
              Esoteric 11 September 2021 17: 06
              .
              societies with a human face

              Allow me. What human face did you mean? Soviet socialism? And where was that face there?
              Admission to the Komsomol. Cramming a book, for those entering. I came to the district committee of the Komsomol. As I remember now. Sits there a mug, drunk in the smoke, with greed, excuse me, "harey", and braiding his tongue asks me to voice the principles of democratic centralism. This face?
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 11 September 2021 18: 25
                +10
                Quote: Ezoterik
                what human face did they mean? Soviet socialism?
                No, Swedish. or Czechoslovakian, without excesses and bureaucracy ...
                Quote: Ezoterik
                As I remember now. A murlo sits there, drunk in the smoke, with greed, excuse me, "harey",

                You were unlucky. But there was also Nikolai Ostrovsky and such guys, as shown in the movie VOLUNTEERS. I am sincerely sorry for you ...
                1. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich 14 September 2021 06: 49
                  0
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  Quote: Ezoterik
                  what human face did they mean? Soviet socialism?
                  No, Swedish. or Czechoslovakian, without excesses and bureaucracy ...

                  Where can we get so many Swedes?
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 11 September 2021 18: 02
              +8
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              All this is possible under one condition - changing the capitalist path of development to building a society WITH A HUMAN FACE.
              And it is high time to return to the people their historical ownership of the bowels and lands, which he mastered, abundantly pouring his blood.

              And who will do it? Is Putinism?
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 11 September 2021 18: 27
                +6
                Quote: Stroporez
                And who will do it?

                Yes, we are with you, who else !?
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 11 September 2021 23: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  Yes, we are with you, who else !?

                  You can't argue with you, apparently it won't do without us.
            3. Denis812
              Denis812 11 September 2021 20: 48
              +1
              When marrying, young people should immediately be handed the keys to a one-room apartment,
              And there can be no cancellation for 20 years, for example.
              1. your1970
                your1970 17 September 2021 18: 03
                0
                Quote: Denis812
                When marrying, young people should immediately be handed the keys to a one-room apartment,
                And there can be no cancellation for 20 years, for example.

                And by the leg to the battery immediately on the chain ... And then suddenly he wants to move to another city
                1. Denis812
                  Denis812 17 September 2021 19: 13
                  0
                  No, why. If he wants to move, he will return the apartment, pay the forfeit and let him bring down wherever he wants.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 17 September 2021 19: 39
                    0
                    Quote: Denis812
                    will return the apartment, will pay forfeit

                    - perhaps my chain will be more humane than your forfeit .......
                    Are you seriously sure that there will be those who will agree?
                    1. Denis812
                      Denis812 17 September 2021 19: 48
                      0
                      The man himself wanted to move, he signed a contract.
                      Everything is in the contract.
                      I wanted to terminate the contract - for God's sake, but I need to fulfill everything that is necessary.
                      This is a completely civilized relationship.
                      I've moved to the EU, my contract said that if I dump earlier than a year later, then OK, but I am obliged to return the salary in the amount of salary for 3 months and relocation cost.
                      I signed.
                      Fortunately, the EU is not yet very rotten, so I did not have to return, but undoubtedly, if I decided to leave, I would have returned the loot anyway. Where to go? This is called the law.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 17 September 2021 21: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Denis812
                        I've moved to the EU
                        - you have beguiled the territory a little ... Here we are talking about the taiga - from where to the EU -5 km
                      2. Denis812
                        Denis812 17 September 2021 21: 46
                        0
                        Here the conversation is about civilized legal relations.
                        It doesn't matter if it's 5000 km to the EU or not
                        There is a contract - people signed - they must comply.
        2. your1970
          your1970 17 September 2021 18: 11
          0
          Quote: Blacksmith 55
          The more children there are in the family, the lower the taxes, and with 4 or more children, they are generally exempted from taxes.

          Pfffff ...
          Taxes ... fool
          2300 monthly income, 5000 for car, 3000 house + 1000 for land
          Total 27,6+5+3+1=36 000 per year of savings ...
          At 4 (!!!)belay belay children .... Who will turn them on with such a crazy benefit fool
          They did good to those with many children, well, well ...
      3. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 11 September 2021 15: 07
        +6
        hi
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        With the right leadership and funding, without storming, you can build a really garden city!

        Once I lived in such a city. This is the city of Navoi, then the Bukhara region. They were built by three cities, designed by young architects, according to my award of the Lenin Komsomol they received, quite deservedly, these are the cities of Navoi, Zeravshan and Uchkuduk.
      4. El Barto
        El Barto 11 September 2021 15: 25
        +9
        Well no. Rather a dystopia. The only thing that will now force the population to move to Siberia is a catastrophe that will make the European part of Russia uninhabitable. A global war or a natural disaster (which again will lead to war, when, let's say, flooded Europeans will rush into less flooded Russia), etc.

        If we remember that Kuzhugetich broadcast literally a month ago - that we are on the verge of the world end due to global warming, then it becomes clear - the thought arose in a bright head "and we will go north, and we will go north", that is, we will escape from the worldwide flood into new, comfortable cities in Siberia where we will live happily ever after and die in one day.

        Apparently, either the Moscow Region itself or one of its subordinates got carried away with post-up fiction and copied and pasted the text of these books into the slides of the reports.
        1. kin
          kin 12 September 2021 07: 01
          +2
          It is necessary to attract compatriots from the near abroad. In the same Kazakhstan, there are many Russian-speaking people who want to leave, a lot. They are competent, qualified specialists who need to be retrained. There are many young people. Give them citizenship quickly, passports, good lifting for which you can arrange life for the first time, and not a handout of ten thousand, free housing. And about compatriots care and benefit for the state.
          1. vindigo
            vindigo 12 September 2021 13: 58
            0
            They will all rush to Moscow. Those that are dumber in the Krasnodar Territory.
            1. kin
              kin 12 September 2021 19: 24
              -2
              I'm talking about the Slavs, not about the natives of the Caucasus and Transcaucasia. And why are they going to the Krasnodar Territory, for you or what? A large mass populates the Urals and Siberia.
              1. vindigo
                vindigo 12 September 2021 19: 46
                +3
                In your dreams, they inhabit Siberia. Russians fleeing Central Asia flee to the European part of Russia. They do not need Siberia and the Urals for a hundred years.
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 11 September 2021 07: 34
      +12
      Quote: Dead Day
      I wonder where such fantasies come from, with a bunch of dying cities to build new ones ...

      It is possible that this is not a fantasy, but one of the real conclusions of how to keep a non-hydrocarbon budget line - to build. In the cities, the entire gigantic size of Soviet industry has been almost destroyed, but construction sites are everywhere, tower cranes are everywhere. So the tenth thing is who will live there, the main thing is to build, master the existing trillions. And the same Asian friends as in Moscow will build, and the same owners will receive superprofits from construction ...
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 11 September 2021 07: 51
      +32
      It's just that Kozhugetovka is a typical Skolkovo movement .. Any project under the current government should be evaluated primarily from the point of view of cutting the budget.
    4. V means B
      V means B 11 September 2021 10: 10
      +9
      So money is, after all, money! This is how much it will be possible to build something else during the construction of those cities, somewhere on the Thames, from where there is no issue.
    5. Doctor
      Doctor 11 September 2021 10: 11
      -9
      what's wrong with our MO? just wondering where such fantasies come from, with a bunch of dying cities to build new ones ...

      He has long wanted to civilize his fellow countrymen.
      In terms of living standards, Tyva is in the penultimate place. Kyzyl (the capital of Tyva) is in first place in terms of crime among regional cities.

      https://griphon.livejournal.com/232449.html

      In principle, he needs one city for 300 thousand. The rest are a cover.
      I would also try to do so and I think that Kuzhugetich deserves it. love

      1. minus
        minus 12 September 2021 06: 16
        +5
        Even Tuvans flee from Tuva, those that are smarter and more civilized)))) I saw enough of them in one sanatorium. It is quite normal to put a bunch right before leaving the summer house or in the summer shower. Or an epic case - an indignant vacationer causes the workers of the sanatorium, screaming that everything is not working. The maid from the plumbers comes into the room .... And there he poured in the bidet, stands and tries to push it all with his finger and wash it off! fellow So let Shoigu go to Tuva, increase the civilization of the people ...
    6. Hypertension
      Hypertension 11 September 2021 14: 17
      +7
      Quote: Dead Day
      just wondering where such fantasies come from, with a bunch of dying cities to build new ones ...

      Really. Are all Siberian cities with ready-made infrastructure already filled to capacity? Where did this bliss come from with the construction of new cities, when the old population is declining.
    7. Svarog
      Svarog 11 September 2021 14: 36
      +15
      Quote: Dead Day
      what's wrong with our MO? just wondering where such fantasies come from, with a bunch of dying cities to build new ones ...

      It's simple .. they are cut off from reality .. crunch of rolls .. sunsets .. champagne .. lovers .. and sometimes .. before the elections ... they think about "power" ..
    8. GREG68
      GREG68 11 September 2021 15: 20
      +14
      Yes, here in my opinion one answer: MO-Shoigu-ER. The elections are coming soon. The EP has a rating below the plinth, so they put Kozhugetich to pull it out. And for this, all means are good, including fantastic laughing
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 11 September 2021 18: 59
        .
        Well, the construction of new cities for the Ministry of Defense is not something fantastic - since the military has more than 6000 objects throughout the country, roads, houses, bridges, hospitals, etc. And the theme of quietly new cities, simultaneously with the creation of new economic points of development, will also solve the problem of dilapidated housing in the region, and all those who want to change their living conditions will go there, and if a tax amnesty is announced for several years, then investors will flood there and people will flood with them.
    9. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 11 September 2021 18: 06
      +10
      Quote: Dead Day
      what's wrong with our MO? just wondering where such fantasies come from, with a bunch of dying cities to build new ones ...

      It's just that Khuzhenetovich was appointed before the election as "the best friend of the Indians", whose problems not only do not bother anyone, but are not even known.
    10. smart ass
      smart ass 12 September 2021 00: 10
      +1
      Shoigu got so ruffled because he didn't see the prices for building materials and tools!)))
    11. bandabas
      bandabas 12 September 2021 18: 41
      -1
      A reindeer breeder is also in Africa .... Russia is a reindeer breeder.
  2. Yuri V.A
    Yuri V.A 11 September 2021 05: 24
    +36
    There is nothing else in this project except to use gigantic budget funds under the guise of large-scale construction through pocket organizations.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 11 September 2021 06: 17
      +7
      Well, let them master it. And they raise life in the besmirched Taishets, Tuluns, Baikalsk.
      People have always lived there. And they have been running for the last 30 years.
      All enterprises have a Moscow residence permit and Moscow owners. Everything. Nothing further is needed.
      1. ammunition
        ammunition 11 September 2021 13: 59
        +14
        Quote: mmaxx
        All enterprises have a Moscow residence permit and Moscow owners. Everything. Nothing further is needed.

        Unfortunately this is the case. Almost everywhere. Until 2007, our company was owned by local owners. The worker's salary was $ 2000. And the enterprise flourished. Until the Moscow "managers" got wind of this and squeezed the enterprise from the locals. Now the salary at the same workplace is $ 300 - $ 350. And the enterprise itself is barely breathing.
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 11 September 2021 19: 03
          0
          Can you clarify what kind of enterprise you are talking about?
          1. ammunition
            ammunition 11 September 2021 20: 27
            0
            Quote: d4rkmesa
            what kind of enterprise are we talking about?

            about it -
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%82_(%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F)
  3. sergo1914
    sergo1914 11 September 2021 06: 01
    +35
    Quote: From Tomsk
    Communists, Komsomol members, when they voluntarily went to explore virgin lands, went for ideological reasons, now there is no ideology, there is no communism, there are oligarchs who will own all this wealth, it makes sense to ruin your health for a penny for the sake of their largest yachts.



    You shouldn't think so. Each United Russia member will consider it an honor to drop everything and rush after the dream. Cities where only United Russia members live. This will be heaven on earth.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 11 September 2021 06: 13
      +29
      Quote: sergo1914
      You shouldn't think so. Each United Russia member will consider it an honor to drop everything and rush after the dream. Cities where only United Russia members live. This will be heaven on earth.
      Something like this, the very place .. These new Siberian cities will be called shoiguls.
      laughing
      1. V means B
        V means B 11 September 2021 10: 12
        +4
        What are you dear all sorts of "lags" were only with the "sworn scoop." And all this will be called something beautiful and kosher.)
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 11 September 2021 07: 13
      +4
      Cities where only United Russia members live
      good
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 11 September 2021 08: 04
      +1
      Quote: sergo1914
      You shouldn't think so. Each United Russia member will consider it an honor to drop everything and rush after the dream. Cities where only United Russia members live. This will be heaven on earth.

      so what to do now for someone like me?
      I would go to a new place, do you have such a desire? but i'm not partyless.
      apply for membership?
      or will they also take it without a party card?
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 11 September 2021 08: 23
        +16
        Quote: Flood
        Quote: sergo1914
        You shouldn't think so. Each United Russia member will consider it an honor to drop everything and rush after the dream. Cities where only United Russia members live. This will be heaven on earth.

        so what to do now for someone like me?
        I would go to a new place, do you have such a desire? but i'm not partyless.
        apply for membership?
        or will they also take it without a party card?


        Memorize the last message to the Federal Assembly. Hand over the part minimum. You may find yourself in the extended lists. It is an honor to get into the ranks of the United Russia. We need good deeds and recommendations from veterans.
        About three years ago, a colleague at work (after another squabble / cleansing, who flew out of the local administration and went into the national economy) offered me a recommendation. I freaked out. Expressed in the spirit: why should I go to an organization whose members in the near future will begin to be hung on lanterns? Offended.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 11 September 2021 08: 39
          +2
          Quote: sergo1914
          Memorize the last message to the Federal Assembly. Pass the minimum

          I love thoroughness
          reading the biography of Dmitry Anatolyevich will not hurt
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 11 September 2021 08: 47
            +7
            Quote: Flood
            Quote: sergo1914
            Memorize the last message to the Federal Assembly. Pass the minimum

            I love thoroughness
            reading the biography of Dmitry Anatolyevich will not hurt


            Yes, you, my friend, are an esthete!
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 11 September 2021 14: 43
            +8
            Quote: Flood
            reading the biography of Dmitry Anatolyevich will not hurt

            Their biography would be the main argument for the execution ..
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 11 September 2021 14: 41
      +5
      Quote: sergo1914
      Cities where only United Russia members live. This will be heaven on earth.

      Rublyovka ..
  4. Finches
    Finches 11 September 2021 06: 16
    .
    Russia will grow Siberia, the phrase from the time of Lomonosov to this day is relevant! But when building new cities, one must not forget about developing and maintaining those already built!
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 11 September 2021 08: 18
      +23
      Quote: Finches
      But building new cities, you must not forget

      Sorry to interrupt your wonderful monologue, Zyablitsev! What cities did the Russian government build?

      30 years under the new capitalist regime is not a short period. For example in the USSR:

      During the period from 1926 to 1956, 564 cities were formed

      If someone habitually objects that they say the nineties are to blame! So in the USSR there were two of the most terrible wars ... are the 90s really worse?
      1. Finches
        Finches 11 September 2021 08: 27
        .
        Actually, I meant the cities built under all the authorities ... And on a vskidku Magas, Innopolis ... Go tomorrow to the ballot boxes in the "last and decisive" battle, go, Stas? Good luck with that! laughing And here I am going to the forest for mushrooms! hi
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 11 September 2021 08: 46
          +9
          Quote: Finches
          at a glance Magas, Innopolis ...

          I haven’t even heard such names. So let's go to wikipedia:

          Magas (Ingush. Magas) is a city in the south of Russia, the capital of the Republic of Ingushetia. One of the few cities in the world in recent decades, specially founded as a capital. The smallest and youngest settlement, which is the administrative center
          The population is 13 600 people. Like in an urban-type settlement.

          Innopolis, Tatarstan, founded in 2012, population 866 ... What kind of city is that? My father had more people in the village!

          Where are the real industrial cities?

          Quote: Finches
          You will go tomorrow to the urns in the "last and decisive" battle, come on, Stas?

          No. I walked all my life. I was hoping. Now I decided - I won't.

          Quote: Finches
          And here I am going to the forest for mushrooms!

          This is the best option. hi
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 11 September 2021 12: 27
        +7
        Quote: Stas157
        So in the USSR there were two of the most terrible wars ... are the 90s really worse?

        Dear, you can't even imagine how WORSE! In the 90s, the country lost 10 million people! And the rest were dissociated into strata and small social groups.
        If terrible wars rallied our people, then the "blessed" 90s divided the population of the country so much that the notorious CHV became the slogan and the norm among the new masters of life ... who have "pennies in front of their eyes", like the dead, close everything the field of social vision. And what is the comprador new-born bourgeoisie worth?
        So, the 90s (socially) became the era of the collapse of the ERA OF MERCY. The Soviet people were taken to their national apartments and homegrown nationalists began to teach their fellow tribesmen to hate Russians. The HCH has replaced the slogan "HUMAN TO MAN - FRIEND, COMRADE and BROTHER!"
        And you still doubt!
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 11 September 2021 13: 55
          +5
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          If terrible wars rallied our people, then the "blessed" 90s so disunited the population of the country

          The dashing 90s are nothing but Time of Troublesthrough which our country has passed more than once. Has it ended with the arrival of Putin and is there a bright future for us? Question.

          For example, I do not see any prospects other than a slow extinction. And I think that real changes for the better, as well as a turn towards a good life, are possible only after the change of the elite, which was born back in the same 90s.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 11 September 2021 14: 47
            +6
            Quote: Stas157

            The dashing 90s are nothing more than a troubled time through which our country has passed more than once. Has it ended with the arrival of Putin and is there a bright future for us? Question.

            Good question Stas .. relevant .. I suppose .. that with the rise in oil prices the time of troubles moved away .. but as soon as oil began to fall in price, the time of troubles is already right there .. And Putin is not at all within .. he is not at all limits ... to the taiga .. to shamans .. with Siberian Cranes .. for amphoras .. but with Russia and its revival, he definitely has no relationship ...
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 11 September 2021 17: 51
          +6
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          So, the 90s (socially) became the era of the collapse of the ERA OF MERCY. The Soviet people were taken to their national apartments and homegrown nationalists began to teach their fellow tribesmen to hate Russians. The HCH has replaced the slogan "HUMAN TO MAN - FRIEND, COMRADE and BROTHER!"
          And you still doubt!

          The hardest blow to the Soviet legacy has been inflicted on the last 20 years, acting in the absolute paradigm of the 90s, developing the ideology and concepts of those very 90s.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 11 September 2021 14: 44
      +5
      Quote: Finches
      Russia will grow Siberia, the phrase from the time of Lomonosov to this day is relevant! But when building new cities, one must not forget about developing and maintaining those already built!

      Zyablitsev, in more detail, what new cities have been built? Are you drunk?
      1. Finches
        Finches 11 September 2021 14: 47
        -2
        Svarog, I can be drunk, this is normal ... This is life, Svarog! Just life! hi
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 11 September 2021 15: 16
          +8
          Quote: Finches
          Svarog, I can be drunk, this is normal ... This is life, Svarog! Just life! hi

          Zhenya .. at least you are Russian .. of course ok .. and I too have drunk today .. because I got sick .. I am recovering)) But cities under the current government did not appear new .. everything is only shrinking .. Evgeny .. face the truth. . tin all around ..
    3. Esoteric
      Esoteric 11 September 2021 17: 11
      +8
      What are the new cities? We have, excuse me, thirty percent of the population in the toilet, I apologize, on the street. Into an unpretentious wooden structure.
  5. ivan2022
    ivan2022 11 September 2021 06: 30
    +4
    Quote: From Tomsk
    Communists, Komsomol members, when they voluntarily went to explore virgin lands, went for ideological reasons, now there is no ideology, there is no communism, there are oligarchs who will own all this wealth, it makes sense to ruin your health for a penny for the sake of their largest yachts.


    We went for a very long ruble.

    The role of the VKPb / KPSS was not in posters and slogans, but in the formation of legislation that distributed the cash flows of the state budget.

    You have artificial ideas about the USSR. For you, the USSR is an epic country where not people lived, but "Sovki" with two heads. And they barked like a dog. And we went to build cities "just like that"
  6. Boris55
    Boris55 11 September 2021 09: 14
    .
    Quote: From Tomsk
    Communists, Komsomol members, when they voluntarily went to develop virgin lands, went for ideological reasons, now there is no ideology,

    The construction of large cities in Siberia is not new. In the USSR, there were plans and projects for its implementation. So Kozhubetovich's proposal is a continuation of the USSR policy on the development of these territories.

    At the expense of ideology, do not lie - there are no parties without ideologies, and we have many parties, even in parliament, and each of them has its own ideology. The victorious party, through laws, implements the ideals of its ideology, incl. going to vote in elections, we vote for what ideology will be the state for the next five years.

    Ideology over ideologies (you are talking about it) is called a concept. Please do not confuse these concepts. We do not choose the concept. All ideologies (parties) admitted to the elections do not go beyond the dominant concept. Others, opposed to the current concept, are destroyed by it while still in its infancy.

    Precisely because we do not choose a concept, the saying is true: "Vote, do not vote, but the concept will remain the same."
  7. Intruder
    Intruder 11 September 2021 12: 17
    +2
    Communists, Komsomol members, when they went to voluntarily develop virgin lands, went for ideological reasons
    Or, according to the distribution in the early 60s, as an example: your own parents! They gave me a choice, Siberia or the Far East, my father chose Siberia.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 11 September 2021 18: 44
      0
      by distribution in the early 60s, as an example:
      relatives from my father's village went to Crimea. Around the same years.
  8. siberalt
    siberalt 11 September 2021 15: 25
    +10
    Unfortunately Siberia is no longer Russia, but a Moscow colony. What the hell are the cities here - millionaires? If there are any left, then they run like a shaft. Especially young people. Is that the deputies come to the Red Book goats from helicopters to hunt and catch pikes for a photo. There will remain only shift camps for Moscow oil pumps, and the seas sold (leased for 99 years) for foreign miners of seafood and what is still found in them.
  9. Esoteric
    Esoteric 11 September 2021 17: 15
    -5
    Communists, Komsomol members, when they went to voluntarily develop virgin lands, went for ideological reasons

    Yeah of course. Maybe the "prisoner" was not there? All this is directly voluntary and with songs. Like a goblin who, well, really wanted to go to eliminate the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, but he was not lucky. Well, this is what he says now. But it was all completely different.
  10. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 12 September 2021 17: 15
    0
    Quote: From Tomsk
    there are oligarchs to whom all this wealth will belong, it makes sense to ruin your health for a penny for the sake of their largest yachts.

    So let "ER" send yacht owners to build up Siberia in a new way. And send a number of deputies there! In tents, with builders. Then, if everything is successful with housing and work, maybe the people will reach out.
    And what about the topic with New Moscow? Have you built anything, moved offices from old Moscow there?
  11. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 September 2021 18: 43
    0
    Quote: From Tomsk
    meaning to ruin your health for a penny for the sake of their largest yachts.

    Quote: Dead Day
    just wondering where such fantasies come from, with a bunch of dying cities to build new ones ...

    Something was recalled:
  12. iouris
    iouris 13 September 2021 13: 01
    0
    Urbanists are shocked.
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 11 September 2021 05: 20
    +3
    So deep. You can write a scientific work.
    The creation of new cities and the need for population growth are obvious - and at the same time, there is some kind of strong-willed quick decision. IMHO first need a concept of development of the state for at least 5000 years. Then the stages of implementation are clear.
    We chose the one-day consumption system and capitalism - and from this it follows that rotational resource-extracting villages will be built ...
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 11 September 2021 14: 37
      +5
      Quote: arhitroll
      IMHO, first, we need a concept of state development for at least 5000 years
      Yes, in 5 years, no one knows what will happen in the country, but about 5000 they turned down. lol
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 12 September 2021 17: 24
        -1
        Quote: Greenwood
        Quote: arhitroll
        IMHO, first, we need a concept of state development for at least 5000 years
        Yes, in 5 years, no one knows what will happen in the country, but about 5000 they turned down. lol

        The pyramids will be built. The pyramid from the United Russia, the pyramid from the Communist Party, the pyramid from the Liberal Democratic Party and the SR.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 11 September 2021 05: 29
    +12
    Saw the project and no more. With our population decline of at least 300 tons per year, whoever will live there will be once, who will build two, and there are three jobs and then further on.
  • HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 11 September 2021 05: 43
    +35
    I live in Siberia in the city of Ust-Ilimsk, there are two large enterprises in the city, this is a timber processing complex and a hydroelectric power station, plus the largest pulp and paper mill in Russia is being built - a pulp and cardboard mill, but the population is decreasing every year, due to the fact that ... ... roads are killed, infrastructure killed, all the institutes were closed, only colleges and vocational schools remained, young people have no place to study, so after school they leave to study and do not return, and then many of their parents leave, the climate is harsh (according to Wikipedia: Average annual temperature −3,0 ° C . The absolute minimum temperature is -53,9 ° C, the maximum is +41,0 ° C. The length of the period with negative temperatures is 214 days. The average annual precipitation is 360 mm. The average annual wind speed is 11,2 km / h), and wages are less than in the west. , more or less normal salaries at the timber industry complex and hydroelectric power plants, well, in the forest, in general, I summarize, instead of building incomprehensible cities, they would put in order the existing ones, especially since we have all the infrastructure, and we have mineral resources here in the taiga for years for 200 forward.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 11 September 2021 06: 26
      +10
      And taxes with the owners? Where? It is from there that we need to pick them up. Ust-Ilim is not a parasite city. And it was built there in due time according to the mind. Without any Shoigu.
      It seems Kuzhugetich himself is from Siberian places, but .... Such a blizzard of revenge ... I would drive the tanks.
      This is how Siberians differ in their experience of life, or rather everyone who goes from the Urals to the east, is their realism in life. And now go on, what Muskva is doing.
      1. Zyablicev43
        Zyablicev43 11 September 2021 14: 39
        +1
        Or maybe everything is simpler? Five cities, five central squares, on each, in the center, a bronze bust with high bald patches and a Hero's star? A...
    2. for
      for 11 September 2021 06: 26
      +12
      there are only colleges and vocational schools left, there is no place for young people to study,

      Of course it's not for white people.
      In the USSR, at least they provided work with a higher education, but now it is possible to find a job in a specialty 0,0000 *%.
      Okay, at least a vocational school, in Samara machine operators, engine assemblers, etc. (the plant named after Kuznetsov, space) training for 3 months.
    3. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 11 September 2021 19: 02
      +3
      Yes, it's sad, fellow countryman. I myself have left UI for 13 years. Then I could not find a job where the salaries were more or less normal, I worked for 3 years for experience for 10 thousand and quit. On the other hand, now the people both in the timber industry and in the energy sector began to suspect that they are getting paid and the salaries in the million-plus population are higher, they are reaching massively to Novosibirsk, Irkutsk, etc.
      1. HaByxoDaBHocep
        HaByxoDaBHocep 11 September 2021 19: 34
        +3
        yes, many have already left, I would have dumped myself, but my parents are already old
        1. El Barto
          El Barto 12 September 2021 10: 01
          +1
          I remember how I was in Ust Ilimsk in the mid-2000s (then I worked in the timber industry and went on business to the pulp and paper mill). Usually passing through Bratsk. In Bratsk, I drew attention to a strange phenomenon - women wore fur hats, the fashion was evident, and these hats under their chins were fixed with such sewn-on white elastic bands for panties. To my surprise, a local comrade replied that all sorts of mink hats snag from the head on the streets, and rubber bands are to prevent such theft.

          And so Bratsk seemed to me a place not very suitable for life, and if you also need to tie a hat to your head, then in general ...
    4. Denis812
      Denis812 11 September 2021 20: 51
      +2
      That's right, it's not a fucking thing to live there.
      Well, really, there is nothing to do there.
      As a child, I lived in Vorkuta for 10 years.
      This is not a place for humans.
  • Errr
    Errr 11 September 2021 05: 44
    +31
    For the "development" of uncomfortable areas, I propose to organize the production of nomadic cities.
    When in one place everything has already "mastered" and thoroughly shit in the same place, you simply un-anchor and move to a new place. Everything! Cheap and cheerful. laughing
    PS In the picture above, the American version of the predatory city, but this design can be easily changed to the more familiar to Sergey Kuzhugetovich; for example, to build this technical masterpiece in the form of a large Tuvan yurt. laughing
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 11 September 2021 06: 35
      +22
      We have invented this for a long time. But improved. Now there is no need to wander. A predator is sitting. Moscow is called. They wrote laws and rob the country like a colony. There - shish, myself - everything.
      1. Errr
        Errr 11 September 2021 07: 03
        +8
        Quote: mmaxx
        A predator is sitting. Moscow is called.
        You don't understand, this is different. laughing
      2. ivan2022
        ivan2022 11 September 2021 09: 52
        +7
        30 years of elections have shown that the highest rating and percentage of "approvals" of the "predator" is not at all in Moscow and not in St. Petersburg. It is precisely from those whom the "predator" robs more than anyone else. Even over 100%

        They rob everywhere and everywhere, heh .... heh .... not everyone in a row, namely those who are most suitable for this.

        And such as "Russian Tmutarakan", probably in the whole world and in the daytime with fire can not be found. Good luck! We love you very much ...... Keep it up!
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 September 2021 05: 55
    +8
    If you do not think about the youth, then you should not make a garden. No matter how good that city is, those who were born in it will feel like relatives. Siberia is not the Far North. But there should be differences from other regions of Russia. . And moreover for the better. Breathe more freely, work, nurseries, kindergartens, and the entire infrastructure of everyday life. In tsarist Russia, they fled from the tyranny of officials and landowners. We went to the USSR to ... here both romance and a good salary. If the negative and positive aspects of the past are weighed, then it is possible to build not only a city, but also the beginnings of a new country.
    1. Drago
      Drago 11 September 2021 07: 33
      -2
      What new country? What, Russia is not enough for you? You my friend, filter the bazaar.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 11 September 2021 09: 34
        +3
        Sergei: I agree, I got carried away. Well, you don’t even let me dream up. Speaking seriously, we need satellite cities. One for electronics, another for mechanical engineering, and so on.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 11 September 2021 12: 44
        +6
        Quote: Drago
        What new country? What, Russia is not enough for you? You my friend, filter the bazaar.

        Nikolai made a reservation: not COUNTRIES, but SOCIETIES - social justice, innovative approaches, and outstripping economic development ... But for this it is necessary to change the laws of the Russian Federation in favor of the population, not the oligarchy. And here the role of the Constitution and legislators is immediately visible, that is, the State Duma of the Russian Federation ... (And who do we elect there ???)
        Well, something like that, I guess.
        AHA.
  • prapor55
    prapor55 11 September 2021 05: 57
    +17
    I agree with the Author, we would have to keep the old, I'm here just another pre-election nonsense from Edr, voiced by their first person. As recently as yesterday I made a trip through my city - Omsk is a depressing sight, the field is not groin, and an area within a radius of 30 km is a monument about how people lived under socialism. hi
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 11 September 2021 06: 03
    +9
    Quote: Herrr
    For the "development" of uncomfortable areas, I propose to organize the production of nomadic cities.
    When in one place everything has already "mastered" and thoroughly shit in the same place, you simply un-anchor and move to a new place. Everything! Cheap and cheerful. laughing
    PS In the picture above, the American version of the predatory city, but this design can be easily changed to the more familiar to Sergey Kuzhugetovich; for example, to build this technical masterpiece in the form of a large Tuvan yurt. laughing


    Well done! Comment of the day. But now local minus throws will come up ...
    1. Errr
      Errr 11 September 2021 06: 31
      +6
      Quote: sergo1914
      Well done! Comment of the day.
      smile Grand merci for responsiveness. hi
      Quote: sergo1914
      But now local minus throws will catch up ...
      And the cons to the furnace! laughing
  • Van 16
    Van 16 11 September 2021 06: 08
    +35
    The article is good, quite detailed analysis. But Roman took Shoigu's initiative too seriously. This is not a plan, this is just a pre-election stuff, and nothing more. Another "25 million high-tech jobs".
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 11 September 2021 06: 20
    +18
    Of these ideas, one city is needed. New Moscow. Preferably in the Chukotka region. So that all shobla hangers-on would not have the desire to go there. And then somewhere the asphalt is shifted every 3 years according to the schedule and the curbs are picked. And somewhere there is a toilet on the street and water in the column.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 11 September 2021 06: 26
    +17
    The topic is relevant. The topic has been sorted out. Conclusions made ... yes
    Perhaps I am not fit for the role of a resident of such a city. For now, at least.

    And I live in a Siberian city in which all industrial production has been corroded in thirty years. That is, as it turned out, the city owed its development to the evacuation of enterprises during the Second World War. And there is another city in the region, about which Mayakovsky wrote:
    In the sky
    the clouds are running
    rains
    dusk is compressed
    under the old
    cart
    workers are lying.
    And hears
    whisper proud
    water
    and under
    and above:
    “In four
    year
    here
    will
    garden city! "

    ==========
    Are there any prospects for the development of some industry? Heavy engineering, maybe? Machine tool construction? Or will we start to develop "hell knows what, just to distract people"?
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 12 September 2021 21: 42
      0
      - Either Kemerovo or Prokopyevsk ... wink
  • ximkim
    ximkim 11 September 2021 06: 32
    +6
    Yes, the swamp breeds.
    To bring to mind what is ..
    I wonder if he invented it himself, or who suggested it?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 September 2021 03: 59
      +1
      Quote: ximkim
      Did he think it up himself or was it someone who suggested it?

      Himself advised ... lol
  • ivan2022
    ivan2022 11 September 2021 07: 01
    +7
    If this is all just a pre-election PR, you can breathe a sigh of relief. And cross ...

    In practice, it may "unexpectedly" turn out that the PRC will build cities and its citizens will live in them. We must start sometime, don’t it?
    With a start!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 11 September 2021 07: 04
    +9
    "- Impossible to work.
    - You give unrealistic plans.
    - It's like him? Voluntarism! "(C)
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 September 2021 07: 32
    +35
    Enchanting delirium. Its source perfectly reveals the phrase
    not a single minister in our country can really imagine what a mortgage is in general. For them it is as empty a phrase as "macaroshki are the same everywhere."

    Shogu is used to seeing a talented leader, but this is not entirely true. He is a good leader, provided that what he leads does not need money. That the Ministry of Emergency Situations, that the Ministry of Defense, under his leadership, sat on a good budget, he has no leadership experience with a shortage of funds.
    Shoigu, such a feeling, generally does not understand well where the money comes from.
    What is a millionaire city? This is at least 500 thousand of the working population. Of course, someone will work in the service sector, in shops there that will be built in such cities, etc. But for others, industrial enterprises will still be needed, according to the most modest estimates - thousands for 250 jobs, where will they come from? Business? Do not tell my slippers, its investment opportunities are small. State? So we have a market, enterprises will not be profitable - they will have a khan, but what is the profitability in Siberia, with its distances and frosts, and even salaries? Here, even in the place of existing Siberian cities, you need to think 100 times before building.
    In general, this is not even manilovism. This is ... well, this is how an alien could reason, who flew to Earth yesterday. Well, the day before yesterday was the maximum. And if you've already lived here for another week, it's already unforgivable
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2021 09: 17
      +11
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      In general, this is not even manilovism.

      And the next election tales. An attempt to once again show that the type of power is not only rowing for itself, but also doing something for the people. Like there is a movement and just about like a jerk. You just need to be patient a little more. Another 30 years. Therefore, our dear deep people, vote for self-nominated candidates from the United Russia. laughing
    2. Drago
      Drago 11 September 2021 18: 06
      +12
      Shchoigu did not notice any talents.
    3. populist
      populist 11 September 2021 20: 21
      +7
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Enchanting nonsense

      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      In general, this is not even manilovism.

      This is the level of thinking of the ruling elite and the Kremlin's political strategists, as well as an indicator of their attitude towards the people. They are quite sure that you can carry any nonsense and the people will swallow this nonsense.
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 September 2021 04: 19
      +1
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      This is ... well, this is how an alien could reason, who flew to Earth yesterday. Well, the day before yesterday was the maximum.

      There are aliens (people who have made a career in an incredible way) - a dime a dozen. It is necessary to try hard: in 13 years from a simple master (in the absence of service in the USSR Armed Forces, when they were not even taken to the police) to the second secretary of the Krasnoyarsk Regional Committee of the CPSU ... fellow
      And then another:
      In 1996 - curator of the election campaign of the President of the Russian Federation Boris Yeltsin in the constituent entities of the Russian Federation

      Something at the meeting of the student was only interested in the surname: Shoigy or Shoigu ...

      Could you ask what plans and goals did Sergei Kuzhugetovich pursue when he went to campaign for the EBN?
  • Archon
    Archon 11 September 2021 07: 47
    +2
    The plus in this project is not to repair the old infrastructure, not to restore old buildings, not to pull land from the possession of the Ministry of Defense, but to build from scratch, avoiding mistakes, taking into account the width of roads, sidewalks, storm drains, laying of water pipes and sewerage systems. taking into account the districts and their provision with schools, kindergartens, parking lots, parks, shops, clinics and others.
    Otherwise, I agree with the author.
    I will only add that freebies are a very powerful force and the distribution of apartments for work for a certain period of time is quite capable of luring people who have either a difficult life situation or some other reason.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 September 2021 04: 25
      0
      Quote: Archon
      The plus in this project is not to repair the old infrastructure,

      There is only one plus in this project - the desire to withdraw from Moscow the relevant ministries and the government, which themselves are mired in this swamp and are pulling the entire economy of the country there.
      True, such construction is justified in a developed economy, and not legalized speculation called BUSINESS. Maybe we will live to see the time when the HSE changes its name to HSE ... lol
  • Professor
    Professor 11 September 2021 08: 24
    +10
    All these words of the head of the People's Party of United Russia are simple chatter and there is nothing to discuss them.

    PS
    By the way, very informative about BAM.


    PPP
    Do you want to attract people to the darkness of a cockroach? Build attractive businesses there. The rest will grow by itself and housing and the social sphere. For example, Israel in the desert built the FAB (factory) Intel (paying for the factory to Intel) and highly qualified people began to reach south.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2021 09: 09
      +12
      Quote: Professor
      All these words of the head of the People's Party of United Russia are simple chatter and there is nothing to discuss them.

      Not simple, but pre-election. Almost tomorrow the next elections for United Russia will be held.
      Quote: Professor
      Build attractive businesses there. The rest will grow by itself and housing and the social sphere. For example, Israel built an Intel FAB (factory) in the desert (paying Intel for the factory) and a highly qualified people began to move south.

      Professor, Russia is not Israel. There are more distances here. Of course, you can live there on one edge of the country and go to work on another, but here this option will not work. Actually all of Israel is a large agglomeration. So it is necessary to build all kinds of infrastructure for the plant, otherwise all this will turn into another shift camp with dubious prospects of becoming a city.
      1. Professor
        Professor 11 September 2021 09: 25
        +4
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Not simple, but pre-election. Almost tomorrow the next elections United Russia.

        "Choices" mean your choice. what
        By the way, how can you scold a party but extol its leaders? (Putin, Shoigu, Lavrov ...)

        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Professor, Russia is not Israel. There are more distances here. Of course, you can live there on one edge of the country and go to work on another, but here this option will not work. So it is necessary to build all kinds of infrastructure for the plant, otherwise all this will turn into another shift camp with dubious prospects of becoming a city.

        At first, the people really did not move, but went as to work from the Tel Aviv area, but gradually began to settle in the city of Kiryat Gat itself and in the surrounding settlements.
        Let's take an example from the United States. There are your distances. Silicon Valley is oversaturated and the US government has decided to develop the periphery. Local authorities in Arizona created ideal conditions and high-tech reached into the desert. Now in Arizona
        https://blog.devmountain.com/2018-coolest-tech-companies-work-phoenix/

        In 2021, 7 more large companies moved to Arizona:
        https://bestcompaniesaz.com/companies-moving-to-arizona/
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2021 09: 37
          -2
          Quote: Professor
          "Choices" mean your choice.

          And then there is such a thing as sarcasm.
          Quote: Professor
          By the way, how can you scold a party but extol its leaders? (Putin, Shoigu, Lavrov ...)

          Is it possible on the contrary?
          Quote: Professor
          but gradually began to sink in the city of Kiryat Gat and in the surrounding settlements.

          That is, I was right. The city was already there. And Intel did not build the plant from scratch. And again, Israel is a large metropolitan area, so the infrastructure is everywhere at hand. As for Arizona, we need to look to draw conclusions.
          1. Professor
            Professor 11 September 2021 09: 43
            +5
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            And then there is such a thing as sarcasm.

            What they do to you is not called "sarcasm."

            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Is it possible on the contrary?

            Unfortunately no. The party is made by the leaders.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2021 09: 48
              -3
              Quote: Professor
              What they do to you is not called "sarcasm."

              Well, what can you do. Man is not perfect. And his consciousness is very inertial. We are stuck in the transition from feudalism to capitalism with a failed attempt at socialism. You are stuck in capitalism.
              Quote: Professor
              Unfortunately no. The party is made by the leaders.

              Leaders are nominated by the masses.
              1. Professor
                Professor 11 September 2021 09: 56
                +9
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Leaders are nominated by the masses.

                This is in democracy (you have a dirty word). Nobody asked your masses.
                Let's finish offtopic.

                There will be no new cities in Siberia. The existing ones would not be lost.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2021 10: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  Nobody asked your masses.

                  As people ask the opinion of the masses under capitalism, the example of the same USA shows quite well.
                  Quote: Professor
                  This is in democracy (you have a dirty word).

                  This is because democracy is bourgeois. And yes, such a democracy is quite abusive.
                  Quote: Professor
                  There will be no new cities in Siberia. The existing ones would not be lost.

                  Let's see. Although I consider this to be nothing more than pre-election tales, it can sometimes be surprising.
              2. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 11 September 2021 15: 55
                +1
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Leaders are nominated by the masses

                The masses of what? belay
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2021 16: 05
                  -3
                  Galoshes, oil, gramophone.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 13 September 2021 04: 30
        +1
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Professor, Russia is not Israel.

        You would remind him that the average annual temperature in Siberia is with a minus sign.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 11 September 2021 08: 25
    +6
    Interesting ...
    I think that before building cities is unknown
    where, it would be necessary to decide on the question - why?
    Something worthwhile does not occur to me.
    Well, this is probably because I am not the Minister of Defense ...
    1. Drago
      Drago 11 September 2021 18: 11
      +1
      Well, why why? It is better to be the first in the village than the second in Rome. Moreover, Rome is rotting. It will be necessary to look at the names of the future commanders of the Strategic Missile Forces divisions that will be moved there.
  • Most kind
    Most kind 11 September 2021 09: 02
    +2
    I want to go to Voronezh from the Far East
    1. Professor
      Professor 11 September 2021 09: 30
      +4
      Quote: Most Kind
      I want to go to Voronezh from the Far East

      Want to go to Voronezh? request
      It looks like things are not just bad in the Far East, but monstrously bad.
      1. faiver
        faiver 11 September 2021 19: 06
        0
        well, vaascheto Voronezh, compared to everything east of the Urals, this is very good
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 September 2021 19: 09
      -5
      Over the next 5 years, 11 trillion rubles will be pumped into it - and you will get away from there.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 13 September 2021 08: 19
        0
        And most likely the results of all this will not be outstanding at all. But someone will buy himself another island and a yacht.
  • Adagka
    Adagka 11 September 2021 09: 30
    +6
    Quote: Bez 310
    Interesting ...
    I think that before building cities is unknown
    where, it would be necessary to decide on the question - why?
    Something worthwhile does not occur to me.
    Well, this is probably because I am not the Minister of Defense ...

    the answer seems to suggest itself - to cut the budget, the result is not important, the main thing is the process ...
    Here, according to some estimates, the mortality rate by the end of 2021 will exceed a million !!! man, and these are going to build something ...
    As it was rightly noted above, hectares in the taiga have already been distributed ..... 8% of the implementation of the program from the previously announced indicators. This is all there is to know about the quality of planning of these drivers' hands, it is not surprising that with them at the helm a country in full ...
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 13 September 2021 08: 22
      -1
      Quote: Adagka
      Here, according to some estimates, the mortality rate by the end of 2021 will exceed a million !!! man, and these are going to build something ...

      But here on BAM 2.0 somehow it is impossible to find enthusiasts, again military builders are attracted. The people are not eager to go to the taiga for a penny.
      Quote: Adagka
      As it was rightly noted above, hectares in the taiga have already been distributed ..... 8% of the implementation of the program from the previously announced indicators. This is all there is to know about the quality of planning of these drivers' hands, it is not surprising that with them at the helm a country in full ...

      There, the program itself was originally fierce nonsense. The one who invented it on the patient's head.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2021 09: 31
    -1
    As the practice of the Far East has shown, this business in our country is, to put it mildly, ungrateful. Well, no one really went for the Far Eastern hectare. And, by the way, not in vain, because as the locals explained to me (for example, Alexander Romanov, who is well-known on our website), you need to understand where these hectares are distributed.

    A hectare was originally doomed. Even if the infrastructure was there. Because such an initiative could still somehow help the country at the beginning of the 20th century, when it was completely agrarian. But now we are an industrial power in spite of all the destruction of industry during the light 90s or Putin's getting up from his knees. And agriculture is already industrialized. Therefore, such initiatives cannot bring any significant benefit. The country does not need such a huge number of farmers.
  • Adagka
    Adagka 11 September 2021 09: 44
    +7
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    As the practice of the Far East has shown, this business in our country is, to put it mildly, ungrateful. Well, no one really went for the Far Eastern hectare. And, by the way, not in vain, because as the locals explained to me (for example, Alexander Romanov, who is well-known on our website), you need to understand where these hectares are distributed.

    A hectare was originally doomed. Even if the infrastructure was there. Because such an initiative could still somehow help the country at the beginning of the 20th century, when it was completely agrarian. But now we are an industrial power in spite of all the destruction of industry during the light 90s or Putin's getting up from his knees. And agriculture is already industrialized. Therefore, such initiatives cannot bring any significant benefit. The country does not need such a huge number of farmers.

    what the country definitely doesn’t need is the proliferating method of division, not otherwise, a huge number of parasites-officials = Edimorussians of all stripes, shapes and sizes. And this despite the fact that these parasites from every iron squeal every day about digitalization, optimization and automation. And judging by their constantly growing number, they do everything by hand and multiply in a column.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 13 September 2021 08: 17
      -1
      With officials, of course, it’s definitely too much, but we don’t need a lot of farmers either. But we need digitalization, automation and optimization. But not in the form in which they are being conducted now.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 11 September 2021 09: 51
    -9
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    Loans, loans, credits. That is. I, as a potential resident of such a city, will have to pay for it. To pay for the fact that I will move to Siberia, to develop the region.

    For free, for everything ready-made - it's only in the barracks, on the bunks. Aren't we paying for all this in the European part of Russia? Why shouldn't they be there? It's even cheaper there.
    1. SVD68
      SVD68 13 September 2021 16: 38
      0
      Do not pay attention to these freeloaders. You yourself will go and pay for everything. From this and proceed.
  • Lair
    Lair 11 September 2021 10: 09
    +7
    Nice and sensible article. But what Shoigu has with the adequacy and level of intelligence is a big question.
  • demo
    demo 11 September 2021 10: 17
    +8
    Well, Roman.
    This is a pitiful subject for you!

    The answer lies on the surface. It was not even worth taking apart everything "to the bone."
    One character, well-known to Russians, blurted out at the beginning of the 25s that XNUMX million new jobs would be created.
    Well, where are they?
    This graduate of the construction faculty decided to follow the beaten track.
    The main thing is to promise something great. What if the people are amnestied en masse?
    Suddenly a ride?
    All of the current government suffers from phenomenal stupidity.
    In reality, no one is going to do anything. They just throw a test balloon and watch the reaction.
    Not even the people. What is the people?
    The reaction of opponents. What if those same suckers. And they will lead to divorce.
    A shame.
    For the fact that the current authorities do not even have normal speechwriters with a broad outlook and intellect.
  • Poru4ik
    Poru4ik 11 September 2021 10: 20
    +3
    The other day, I read the reflection of a Kremlin dreamer. I don't remember literally, but the essence is: "Why don't we consider inviting European pensioners to settle in new cities? Tired of endless gay parades and the dominance of Muslim migrants, they will gladly move to comfortable, ecologically clean cities, since a European pension will allow them to live happily with us. And German, English and other settlements will be formed "
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 11 September 2021 12: 21
      +2
      And German, English and other settlements will be formed "
      It was already in history, under Catherine and all sorts of Alexandras, whoever was called - entrepreneurs, industrialists and farmers from Europe, to heaps and all kinds of joint ventures with the founding fathers: Siemens and Eriksons, successfully mastered the budget of the Russian Empire! Several centuries have passed and all from the beginning are Russian leaders !?
  • Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. 11 September 2021 12: 08
    +8
    All the same, well done Roman (unfortunately I do not know the middle name) correctly reveals topical issues. On the one hand, a super rich territory, on the other, the population is dissatisfied with their lives. If there were money, half of the population would have left for the Urals. Low salaries in relation to prices, exorbitant prices for their housing. Here business has been exempted from taxes in the Kuril Islands, but it is not businessmen who need to be exempted from taxes, but hard workers and the entire population of the Far East and Siberia. Business will always get out, unlike hired people. The idea creeps in that cities and people are needed to drive oil, gas, timber, and other minerals in even larger volumes abroad.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 11 September 2021 12: 15
    +1
    This is a very good example of how the interests of an ordinary person and the state in fact diverge. An ordinary person in a huge but sparsely populated country, choosing where to live, comes mainly from a pleasant climate, developed infrastructure, and an abundance of work. The state, from the point of view of an ordinary person, operates things that are opposite to his needs - a city is needed where there is a void to fill this void, the infrastructure at the start will be undeveloped, the choice of jobs is limited, the climate is not the best, because where the climate is good for a long time everything was built. At the junction of the divergence of these understandings, there is little that connects the perception of this issue in man and the state - this is the word "Benefit". It is in the power of the state to lure people with a benefit, if the state really NEEDS it. But this is, of course, in theory. In practice, we have historically preferred various combinations of deception and coercion in this issue - in various proportions and forms. Stirring up ideological enthusiasm, the promise of handouts and an incredible quality of life, abundant projection, luring with a mortgage paradise - this is, of course, Deception. Link, "business trip" of service people, forcible enlargement of settlements, etc. - this can be designated as Coercion. So I have no doubt that these tools will solve the problem.
    However, the scale of the designated task seems to me unrealistic - both in terms of construction and quality (after all, we are not talking about some kind of muhos * anske, but about a potential millionaire, the main population of which will be useful specialists who at first will have where to blame if something does not suit them), and in terms of demographic and organizational. Imagine that from the European part of the Russian Federation 1 million will "rush" to Siberia for a construction site - this is Imagination, I tell you ..
    To summarize - the idea is certainly necessary and good in its own way - but at the moment this is an abstract project. People do not trust the state and will not rush to such initiatives for the most part. And the state will try in every possible way to deceive and save money, which also torpedoes the idea.
  • Archemor
    Archemor 11 September 2021 12: 32
    +4
    Projection. What we need to build a house, we will draw, we will live.
    And "in nature" as it will be, this is not their problem.
    It is a pity that money will be allocated from the budget, but how not to allocate, since Shoigu has proposed, but the sense will be like from the Patriot.
  • Adagka
    Adagka 11 September 2021 12: 53
    +8
    in the country, the existing infrastructure is collapsing before our eyes, another gas explosion in Yelets, fixed assets are worn out by 70-80 percent according to various estimates. But it is necessary to deal with the matter and ask for the result, well, or for the lack of result (the notorious negative growth), it is much easier to tell fairy tales about bases on the moon or cities in the taiga by two thousand ..... some year, and there, as they say, or donkey or padishah ...
  • Snusmumrik
    Snusmumrik 11 September 2021 13: 05
    +4
    The authorities themselves must set an example. Russia needs to disperse departments from overloaded Moscow. For a start, the State Duma can be relocated to Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, or at least to Novosibirsk. You can also move the Central Bank, the Supreme Court and the Prosecutor General's Office.
    1. Iskazi
      Iskazi 11 September 2021 14: 58
      +4
      Vorkuta, Mordovia ..., and many other places just cry and languish for most of the Kremlin-Moscow contingent ...,
  • ViacheslavS
    ViacheslavS 11 September 2021 13: 48
    +1
    In my opinion, this is classic: "There are no such difficulties that we could not create." Why build cities in Siberia, or if you already really want to build garden cities, but why not choose warmer places, and not where snow can lie eight months a year.
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 11 September 2021 14: 53
    +5
    I agree with the Author, everything is correct. Yes, Shoigu said - like farting into a puddle. Some stubbornness is inherent in the current government, imperceptibly turning into manic stubbornness .... undoubtedly, these people believe or pretend to believe that they are on the right path ... but unfortunately, no matter how much you say Halva, it will not be sweeter in your mouth.
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 11 September 2021 14: 53
    +8
    In general, there are more questions than answers in this story so far. But it is worth taking a sober look at the present day.

    Yeah. If the Minister of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is going to build a city, apparently something is not at all right in the "Danish kingdom".
    Looking at all these rushes of the representatives of the current government, one wonders whether the system and the planned economy in the USSR were really ineffective, as they have poured and poured into our ears so far from the pro-government "irons"?
  • shura7782
    shura7782 11 September 2021 15: 14
    +6
    It is surprising that the Minister of Defense spoke about this. Apparently he no longer has other problems and has nothing to do with the troops.
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  • silviu
    silviu 11 September 2021 16: 27
    +5
    Previously, I worked for 10 years and got an apartment, and before that I lived in a dorm, maybe a small family and your apartment and no matter where ... but now take a loan with interest for almost all your life and to Siberia as Decembrists voluntarily for your bank loan. that no one wants to move there beyond the horizon for a loan for the rest of his life. Then you can't sell an apartment for nothing. You can't build Astana in Siberia where everyone wants to live. My opinion won't work. The city may be built and the money will be laundered, and then what happens will be like with the Vostochny cosmodrome and the entire cosmonautics under the leadership of Rogozin
  • sasha pv
    sasha pv 11 September 2021 16: 32
    +9
    Tobolsk. 10 petrochemical giants have been built in 2 years. The airport will be commissioned soon. And the city is barely alive. There is no work. There are no promised polymer processing plants. Budget employees are forced to vote for the EP. What cities to hell with new cities.
  • Sergei Fonov
    Sergei Fonov 11 September 2021 16: 55
    +3
    You can not go to Siberia, in the Western Crimea they are also going to build a new city, as they will call it is not yet known, either New Evpatoria, or according to the modern New Vasyuki.
  • kig
    kig 11 September 2021 17: 27
    +5
    Eh, dream so dream! Less than a month later, Mr. General put in a word about new cities, as he started another WEF on the Russky Island, and - what a miracle - there this idea was picked up by the Minister for the Development of the Far East himself, voiced and supplemented. It's time for the residents of Vladivostok to rejoice, they will soon live in a city with a population of over one million. The method of replenishing the population is very simple: Vladivostok (700 thousand in an agglomeration with different villages nearby) is merged with the city of Artem (104 thousand), and the missing one is taken from the city of Sputnik, which is also included in the Vladivostok line. Ask, what is this out of town? And it is already being designed, it turns out. At least that's what Wikipedia thinks. And for him a place has already been selected, and the coordinates are there. Here it is on the map:



    What will the residents of Sputnik do, the minister does not tell. But he mentions that it is only 32 km to get to the center of Vladivostok. So I imagine how in the morning a line of cars rushes from Sputnik along a new highway on the De Vries Peninsula (built in 2012, at first no one understood why, but now it became clear) and a low-water bridge to take seats in the offices of important offices, and in the evening the whole herd is breaking back ... damn it, where to get away from this bedlam.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 16 September 2021 22: 24
      0
      Well, it will be so, the scheme has been tested - you can google "Rostov-on-Don, Suvorovsky". They will simply start building high-rise buildings in an open field, partly distribute apartments to the military, and partly start selling them cheaply. The people may buy, they will start to buy up gradually. in Vladivostok itself, the cost of housing has already exceeded all limits. Most likely there will be 40-100 thousand interested persons. Somewhere halfway with 100 thousand, they will build a school in the singular, that is, a thousand for 5 students at once. Of course, everyone will go to work in cars, and crowds will also gather near minibuses and buses.
  • p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 11 September 2021 17: 36
    +4
    Alas, such "epoch-making" ideas show the level of the highest levels of power and strategic planning in the country (more precisely, its absence) ...
    ps I noticed the purposeful "minus" of my messages. It's funny how petty trolling really involves not only scribbling, but this method as well ...
  • asher
    asher 11 September 2021 17: 44
    +13
    It is enough to study the biography of Shoigu and you can not think about the deep meanings in his words. You will also look for something sensible from Medvedev's ideas. Yes, they all live there according to the ancient principle: "The main thing is to crow, and then at least don't dawn!" Hello everyone from Taishet. He laughed for a long time when he heard about Shoigu's plans. It is a pity that our new Ostap Bender described New-Vasyuki a little.
  • plant15
    plant15 11 September 2021 17: 47
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    Staying with a mortgage and an apartment in Siberia without a chance to sell is a plot for a horror movie.

    Give Putin and Shoigu a mortgage in Siberia and pay them in a normal way.

    Shoigu - the average Russian salary, but for Putin, of course, as a middle class - 17 thousand full-fledged Russian rubles. And let life rejoice! Siberia is being raised!

    Interesting thought, comrade.
    Interestingly, after this metamorphosis they would preach about "what disgusting is your consumerism" and tell awesome stories about grandfathers happily living with one rabbit and without a refrigerator?
    1. silviu
      silviu 11 September 2021 21: 54
      +1
      For a couple of days in the taiga on a turntable and quickly back to Moscow. That's the whole mortgage
  • Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 11 September 2021 17: 51
    +3
    "Ministry of the Russian Federation for the Development of the Far East and the Arctic / Date of foundation
    May 21, 2012, Founder: Vladimir Putin, Minister: Alexey Olegovich Chekunkov. "
    The results of its activities over the past 9 years? Search for yourself ..

    "http://government.ru/department/462/events/"
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 11 September 2021 17: 54
    +6
    Are you seriously discussing the campaign?
    There were already several similar ones, and they all disappeared after the last elections ...

    So choose calmly and be calm. Medvedev's immortal phrase always works!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 September 2021 19: 16
      -6
      There has not yet been a single pre-election promise about the construction of new cities of technoparks.
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 12 September 2021 14: 31
        +3
        There are no cities now. it's just an idea. No calculated logistics.

        There were: technozones, additional to Zelenograd, Skolkovo, and military ..
        It was: the transfer of a number of ministries from Moscow to St. Petersburg and Siberia (like Eaterinburg)
  • boni592807
    boni592807 11 September 2021 18: 29
    +1
    How to try on the role of a resident of new Siberian cities?
    I would have been happy with the USSR, center in the CENTER of Russia. good
    Now- I would have laughed at the sense of humor who suggested ...But, somehow it's not funny. No.

    If under the USSR, or toas noted at From Tomsk (Sinner), Today, 05:13 - "... now there is no ideology, no communism, there are oligarchs who will own all this wealth, meaning .."
    .But, also national politics (migrant) already the Center of Russia is full of guests, and Siberia and D. East are not "offended by guests" (many), but are being led... (Novosibirsk, Moscow, see the media of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB of the Russian Federation).
    So andm pensions, support of the diasporas, matkapital and by birth of the newcomers - citizenship, with the subsequent delivery of relatives. bully
    And Indigenous peoples get "compatriots", which, as well as their places of origin only on subsidies, but on the necks of the indigenous people and their "criminal-ter" pranks (ave. arranged by guests in Yakutia, from the well-known ...).
    The question is, for WHOM, or again, the present is UNDERSTANDING for quirky and not at all poor diaspora guests bully ?
    The indigenous people have their own children and grandchildren, ..... Including. first, we will separate the flies from the cutlets, otherwise they stuck around not to crawl over to YOUR cutlets ... wink
  • S. Nikolaev
    S. Nikolaev 11 September 2021 19: 15
    +1
    Quote: Stas157

    The dashing 90s are nothing but Time of Troublesthrough which our country has passed more than once. Has it ended with the arrival of Putin and is there a bright future for us? Question.

    For example, I do not see any prospects other than a slow extinction. And I think that real changes for the better, as well as a turn towards a good life, are possible only after the change of the elite, which was born back in the same 90s.


    Probably, it would be more accurate to say, it did not "emerge", but surfaced, because for the most part it is not the elite, but the foam. Not only is it foam (garbage), but also completely engaged, and on a strong kukan in the West. And the real elite, which should be at the helm of the state, has basically been washed out (removed from control). And here we need to try to figure it out (it is clear that with our sofa bell tower, and with our level of knowledge and information, this is not easy to do, but, nevertheless) with the fact - and what, how and in what sequence a person should have done 20 years ago who stood at the head of this state? And taking into account the state of the world (of the country) today, is it possible to conclude that Putin had some kind of strategy, and to what extent it was implemented, or was there none?
  • Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 11 September 2021 19: 17
    +5
    The only way to fill these cities is to move the capital there. Move all ministries there. Then hundreds of thousands of officials (with not the smallest salaries) and their families will simply be forced to move to these cities. And they don't need any mortgage. They will sell their real estate in Moscow and on Rublevka, and with this money they will buy apartments, cottages, estates in New Moscow. We have 15 ministries. Just 15 cities. And our air will become cleaner. And Shoigu will fulfill his plans. Everyone is happy.
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  • bandabas
    bandabas 11 September 2021 19: 59
    +6
    Cool. What was created in the North, Siberia and the Far East is still trying to sequester "edrosy". And, a HERO appears. Not funny. Let them not take people for fools.