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Difficult billions: reanimation of small aircraft in Russia

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L-410 of Russian origin. Photo: Andrey Kirillov / aviascope.com


Money to the wind


Any options for justifying regional transportation from the point of view of return on investment will not lead to anything - flights over short distances within the country will always be unprofitable. And this история not only about Russia. The state subsidizes small and medium Aviation in all countries, including the USA and Canada.

However, if you look at the problem strategically, domestic air traffic saves budget billions. In the hard-to-reach regions of the Urals, the Far East and Eastern Siberia, it is much more profitable to organize regular flights than to pull roads and railways.

For example, let us take the experience of the United States - in Alaska there are about 100 aircraft per 1700 thousand people. Such saturation allows not to build unnecessary roads on the permafrost (often, routes cannot be laid at all) and to preserve wildlife.

In Russia, the blatant underdevelopment of domestic air communications is becoming simply threatening.

To illustrate the thesis, you can go to any online service for selling air tickets and try to find a flight, for example, from Barnaul to Krasnoyarsk. Let us remind you that the distance between these cities barely exceeds 650 km in a straight line. But this does not matter - air communication is possible here only through the Novosibirsk Tolmachevo airport. Such a road will be relatively inexpensive (within 5 thousand rubles), but it will take more than 22 hours. If you want to quickly pass this distance, you can try to get on a flight with a transfer at Moscow Sheremetyevo. It will cost about 15 thousand, but it will take a little more than 10 hours.

The passenger of half the country is forced to fly around in order to get to the neighboring region. Such a situation is developing with air connections between the regional and regional centers - it is impossible to get to less important cities without air-to-land transfers at all.

Could such a thing reduce the outflow of citizens from the east of Russia, which the state is fighting against?

The question is, of course, rhetorical. As you know, the Kremlin now plans to build in Siberia "three to five scientific and industrial centers with a population of 300 to 1 million each." The emergence of something like this from scratch is possible only with the creation of an appropriate air transport infrastructure for local communication.

Another problem is already associated with the development of the rapidly melting Arctic, for which a serious struggle is now unfolding between neighboring countries. Moscow has quite definite plans for the development of the resource base of the region and, of course, the settlement of the territories adjacent to the Arctic Ocean. In the tundra, year-round road traffic is, in principle, impossible, and here again there is no way without small and medium aviation.

Air traffic within the country was the first and only time to flourish during the Soviet era. Old-timers recall that the BAM builders could afford to fly to Moscow or the regional center to drink beer and relax for a couple of days. This speaks not only of the high prosperity of the workers of that time, but of the well-established system of airlines.

Naturally, local airlines were only available through government subsidies. In Soviet times, small aircraft, armed with An-2, reached the most inaccessible places in the country - near most villages there are still abandoned "air harbors" of local importance. Where the planes could not reach, rotorcraft flew. Everyone remembers the legendary "Mimino", which made the Soviet small aircraft famous.

In the 90s, an attempt was made to put the regional air communication program on self-sufficiency, with the most dire consequences.

Are we going to fly?


Certain progress in the revival of domestic small and regional airlines is still observed.

At the end of July, a single Far Eastern airline was launched, and its presentation was organized in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk.

Prime Minister Mishustin noted during the launch of the project:

"It is extremely important to develop air traffic in the Far East so that its inhabitants can freely move within the macroregion, fly directly, without docking, and not through large transport hubs."
Probably, for the first time in modern Russian history, the term "socially significant air route" appeared.

There should be 535 such routes in the Far Eastern Federal District, which will include 100 interregional air routes and 435 local air bridges.

Avrora Airlines, participating in the project, promises to keep prices in the range of 2,2-10,9 thousand on such routes as Khabarovsk - Anadyr, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky - Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, Vladivostok - Chita, . rubles. In total, the federal center will cost more than one and a half billion rubles in 2021 alone.

Payback, as mentioned above, is out of the question: the main thing is to create living conditions close to the standards of the European part of Russia. It is worth remembering that there are no transport arteries between some settlements of the region at all, people have not left their places of residence for decades.

In addition to Aurora, the main coordinator of air communications, Khabarovsk Airlines, Yakutia Airlines, Polar Airlines, ChukotAVIA and Kamchatka Aviation are involved in the project. The state began to solve the problem from the most difficult Far Eastern region, but the stagnation of local air transportation in Eastern and Western Siberia has not yet been resolved.

One of the reasons is the chronic shortage of aviation capable of operating at poorly equipped and sometimes unpaved airfields.

Technical question


Plenipotentiary of the President of the Russian Federation in the Far Eastern Federal District, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Trutnev at the opening of the unified Far Eastern airline said:

“It is planned to purchase 45 Russian-made aircraft for companies. All this is scheduled over the years. For the newly created airline, first of all, social orientation is important. Its task is to increase transport accessibility and transport more people, to provide an opportunity for air communication to hard-to-reach settlements. "

The winged aircraft are planned to be purchased at public expense until 2025.

Trutnev kept silent about how much air transport is currently in service with the Far Eastern airlines. On average, there are 100 small aircraft per 3,1 thousand of the population in the country. And these are in the overwhelming number rapidly obsolete machines.

By the way, in terms of the specific amount of civil aircraft, we are only 25 times lagging behind Alaska. Therefore, the scale of purchases of civil aviation equipment is determined to be absolutely insufficient. However, there is nothing special to buy. If we exclude foreign "sanctioned" aircraft, then all hope is for the Ural Civil Aviation Plant, which is engaged in licensed assembly of Czech aircraft.

This is really close cooperation with a country unfriendly to Russia. Now the plant is launching the production of the L-410 model, which is far from the freshest, but very suitable for Russian realities. At the Sverdlovsk enterprise, the features of the machine are noted:

“Exceptionally short take-off and landing (take-off - 427 m, landing - 285 m). The specially designed landing gear of the aircraft facilitates landing on almost any terrain, and a few meters of a strip with a minimum strength of 6 kg / cm² are enough for landing.
In other words, the L-410 will land and take off from short grassy airstrips. "

There are plans to assemble a larger aircraft under the name TVRS, which is a Czech Let L-610. The 44-seat aircraft will rise one step higher than the L-410, replace the An-26, An-24, Yak-40 and close the gap in domestic regional transportation.

In 2020, an even larger Il-114-300 for 64-68 passengers took off, capable of covering up to 1900 km. This is already an interregional airliner, the assembly of which is planned to begin at the Lukhovitsk aircraft plant named after. P. A. Voronin RSK "MiG".

And, finally, the main hope of the domestic small aircraft is the LMS-901 "Baikal". The aircraft is capable of taking on board nine passengers and, according to all characteristics, should become a modern replacement for the old An-2. However, the long-awaited plane has not even taken off into the air yet.


Source: flightpix.org

It is customary to end on a good note, but this is not the case.

In the net remnant, we see a certain interest of the state in the development of small aircraft. Even a lot of money is allocated. But, in the language of a bureaucrat, the material and technical base is not ready. All aircraft suitable for operation are either produced in a small series (civil L-410s for the whole of Russia no more than 30 pieces), or are only being designed at all.

And it will not be possible to bring the equipment to airworthiness quickly - everyone knows how long it takes to reach the conveyor in modern Russia. So it turns out that the entire growth of the upcoming transportation will fall on the wings of the technology, which is frankly outdated and practically exhausted. It is unnecessary to talk about what this can lead to.
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  1. Mikhail Ishin
    Mikhail Ishin 8 September 2021 04: 06
    +13
    Such a road will be relatively inexpensive (within 5 thousand rubles), but it will take more than 22 hours. Such a road will be relatively inexpensive (within 5 thousand rubles), but it will take more than 22 hours. >>>>
    Not a fig yourself inexpensively for 650 km
    1. jonht
      jonht 8 September 2021 04: 29
      +4
      650 km in a straight line, and there the route is through Novosibirsk, Barnaul-Novosibirsk-Krasnoyarsk, and you can calculate the distance yourself ... hi
      1. Mikhail Ishin
        Mikhail Ishin 8 September 2021 04: 47
        +8
        And if you fly through Moscow, then 15 thousand - * inexpensive *, right?
        1. jonht
          jonht 8 September 2021 06: 15
          +2
          You compared the price and distance, I explained to you that there is not 650 km, if you need faster you can go by bus it will be faster and maybe cheaper, though if there is such a connection between these cities. In the absence of a direct path, we go the one that is, although it is possible on foot, but certainly much longer ... hi
          1. Mikhail Ishin
            Mikhail Ishin 8 September 2021 06: 41
            +4
            Yes, I understand you)
            1. jonht
              jonht 8 September 2021 06: 49
              +3
              Me too, yes 15k is expensive, but the need will make you pay more. drinks
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 8 September 2021 07: 17
                +28
                Quote: jonht
                Me too, yes 15k is expensive, but the need will make you pay more.

                Need, speak. Look where and how the An-2 flew to the USSR. Now these settlements are abandoned. How often will people be able to fly if the ticket price will vary within 3-5 thousand rubles with a salary of 18 thousand?
                I simply cannot imagine the structure of that small aviation in the country of private owners, which will engage in this deliberately unprofitable business. Tell me, connoisseurs. Tell me how much a ticket “no more than 500 rubles” should cost (this amount is acceptable for residents of the n / a, this air supply) ...
                It seems to me that at first they will create an airplane with a creak, and then with an even greater creak they will determine the field of its activity ...
                1. jonht
                  jonht 8 September 2021 07: 39
                  +8
                  It is a NEED, a NEED. Mikhail Vasilyevich Lomonosov with a wagon train traveled to St. Petersburg, a man wanted to study. But in fact, in Kamchatka, aviation flights to villages for residents are well subsidized, for those who have a Kamchatka registration (not a settlement) there is also a privilege, there are no privileges for visitors from the "mainland". Taking into account the fact that travel is paid for on vacation every two years (pensioners are paid by "Social Security") from the place of residence to the place of vacation and back, then only lazy people have problems with leaving. The smart ones get a job and after a year they use the privilege, and then it doesn't matter anymore. hi
                  Someone's minus corrected drinks
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 8 September 2021 07: 56
                    +23
                    Quote: jonht
                    Exactly NEED, NEED

                    Here I am about the same. Do you think that there are countless places like Sakhalin and Kamchatka in the country? And I know villages in Kuzbass that have simply disappeared ... And there are about fifty of them. I do not believe in the altruism of the authorities, in their subsidies and support for small aircraft. I don’t believe it for 30 years. Ever since the EBN shot the Russian parliament out of tanks.
                    The hide is deceitful and cowardly ... But only those who try to glorify his time are worse ...
                    Recently, there has been a situation when people are shaking and shaking the skins of unkilled bears and other smaller animals in front of citizens, and this year the population decline is expected in the area:
                    In Russia, the natural population decline (the excess of the number of deaths over the number of births) in January-July 2021 increased by 62% in annual terms, amounting to 512,5 thousand people (against 316,3 thousand a year earlier), Rosstat reported.
                    1. I am not a robot
                      I am not a robot 8 September 2021 15: 00
                      -7
                      villages and townships will always disappear. no salaries and work will keep people in the villages
                      1. Letun
                        Letun 8 September 2021 16: 38
                        +15
                        Quote: Janerobot
                        villages and townships will always disappear. no salaries and work will keep people in the villages

                        Oh sure! With salaries you can keep it. They went to the north for a long ruble in Soviet times, and now they will live in villages with good salaries and infrastructure (schools, hospitals). Not everyone likes life in Moscow.
                      2. I am not a robot
                        I am not a robot 8 September 2021 17: 07
                        .
                        in the village there is nowhere to spend money, only to drink vodka, so the young people leave.
                        therefore, salaries cannot be kept, especially since the work in the village is physically difficult
                      3. Letun
                        Letun 9 September 2021 15: 58
                        +7
                        Quote: Janerobot
                        in the village there is nowhere to spend money, only to drink vodka, so the young people leave.
                        therefore, salaries cannot be kept, especially since the work in the village is physically difficult

                        Well, yes, in Moscow, you can spend on drugs, or shove a stripper into his panties, but in the village there is only vodka. Yeah.
                      4. I am not a robot
                        I am not a robot 9 September 2021 17: 10
                        -4
                        people are different, someone spends on drugs, someone on strippers, someone goes to the gym, someone to the cinema, etc., and in the village where to go. nowhere
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              1. jonht
                jonht 8 September 2021 08: 23
                +11
                Acquaintances in the South (Lazarevskoe) have no way at all, the South. They plow like the damned, but there is no time to go to the "gentle" sea. Therefore, there are disadvantages, there are advantages in our north, for example, I have a vacation for almost two months, you can do something here, and yes, once every two years fly to the sea, although here it is 10 km away from the Pacific Ocean ... wassat
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 8 September 2021 14: 49
                  +4
                  Nice article on the big problems of small aircraft. Hopefully, they will be successfully resolved.
                2. Telakh
                  Telakh 9 September 2021 06: 52
                  +9
                  The article is wasted, to be honest. For some reason, everyone forgets to say that in the UWB private aviation (on all sorts of cessna and mauls) carries more passengers than large airlines, while in our country this is a criminal offense. A private pilot does not have the right to engage in commercial activities.
                  There are 600 pilots in the USA, and we have less than 000 ATCs in the whole country and there are 10 pilots in total.
                  What difference does it make how many new planes you build and airlines open if there is no one to fly stupidly thanks to the work of the Ministry of Transport?
              2. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 8 September 2021 17: 19
                +2
                Yes, I miss the half-year holidays, if I made a spark in the sea .. And so what kind of stream you get, working for three days tires you with rest, you have to look for a second job. Although they pay well on one. Olympic Park Adler.
          2. Private89
            Private89 10 September 2021 00: 56
            -1
            for those who have a Kamchatka registration (not a settlement) there is also a privilege, there are no privileges for visitors from the "mainland"
            This is what the regime of feudal fragmentation turns out to be
        2. I am not a robot
          I am not a robot 8 September 2021 14: 14
          -9
          why exactly a salary of 18 thousand
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 8 September 2021 16: 38
            +8
            Quote: Janerobot
            why exactly a salary of 18 thousand

            Because "gladiolus". Just today I talked to a female salesperson (65 years old). Pension 9. Difficulties in calculating due to work in the Kazakh SSR and difficulties in parsing archives. Salary - 300 thousand ... Recently, there was an ad on the door (I specifically wanted to take a picture, but did not have time): “We want a full-time seller in a bakery. The salary is 18 rubles. " Not a minimum wage, but just 12 !!!
            1. I am not a robot
              I am not a robot 8 September 2021 17: 03
              -3
              well, someone will go there, if, for example, no one goes to the post office for 11 for three working days a week, they come from the city post office
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 8 September 2021 15: 36
          -1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          It seems to me that at first they will create an airplane with a creak, and then with an even greater creak they will determine the field of its activity ...

          Although it should be the other way around. laughing But yes, you cannot deviate from traditions. laughing in general, the author burns. On the basis of pre-election nonsense about the construction of Potemkin dere .. sorry shoigushev cities to draw some conclusions regarding the development of small aircraft in the country is certainly strong.
        4. APASUS
          APASUS 8 September 2021 16: 06
          +3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I simply cannot imagine the structure of that small aviation in the country of private owners, which will engage in this deliberately unprofitable business.

          Maybe public-private partnership should play its part here? As an example: The government buys an aircraft and leases it for 25 years. By the time it is repurchased, it can be written off.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 8 September 2021 16: 42
            +3
            Quote: APASUS
            Maybe public-private partnership should play its part here?

            I don’t think that specialists have no painless recipes. In the end, there are such enterprises where work is carried out on a rotational basis and the presence of small aircraft makes it possible to exclude any unforeseen situations, up to the evacuation of people. And in Siberia with roads "stress".
  2. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 8 September 2021 07: 28
    +7
    Quote: jonht
    true if there is such a connection between these cities.

    There are places in Siberia where you cannot build a road because of the climatic and natural conditions of living, bottomless swamps, a moving topsoil and huge distances will be beyond reach even for the state. Our most extreme village in the region is located at a distance of 800 km I'm not talking about snowstorms in winter and the maintenance of these roads. We have an AN-28 flying quite a suitable machine, but alas, due to the irresponsibility of the previous leadership of the country, it was produced in Ukraine, and this is an enemy country and now there is no talk of cooperation anymore. One recently crashed, fragments are slowly being taken out, and in winter they will be taken out completely.
    We thought everyone would be cut off from the mainland, but we didn’t find another one. Every day it flies over my house. The state dates half of the cost of air tickets to the company SILA that operates these aircraft. production, now there would be no problems.
    1. ramzay21
      ramzay21 8 September 2021 07: 54
      +8
      The An-28 is a good plane, but it was produced in Poland, and they also had all the rights to it, as well as to the An-2.
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 8 September 2021 09: 07
        +3
        Quote: ramzay21
        The An-28 is a good plane, but it was produced in Poland, and they also had all the rights to it, as well as to the An-2.

        Precisely, thank you, I did not attach any importance to this, the assembly license was transferred to Poland. In Poland, in general, a lot was collected for the needs of the USSR, as well as in Hungary, Czechoslovakia. But in my opinion, if I'm not mistaken, the components came from Ukraine?
      2. Terran ghost
        Terran ghost 8 September 2021 10: 13
        +4
        The An-28 is a good plane, but it was produced in Poland, and they also had all the rights to it, as well as to the An-2.

        An-28 has been in production since 1983. The expiration date of ANY patents for any inventions and utility models is 25 years. Since 2009 - guaranteed in the public domain and can be produced by any aircraft manufacturer without paying royalties.
        An-2 has been in production since 1947. What is there to talk about.
        Another thing is that the An-2, for example, is now hopelessly outdated, and the production lines for its production were curtailed even during the Soviet Union. On the An-28, apparently Poland has both production lines and all the documentation. In theory, it can be restored. It's just that in practice, the cost of rebuilding may turn out to be such that it is easier to make a new plane right away.
        1. Andrey G.
          Andrey G. 8 September 2021 14: 11
          +6
          He flew as a child on the AN-2. There used to be a route of the r.p. Altai-Barnaul. Quickly, half of the passengers vomited into the issued packages after the "air pockets" BUT !!! Fast, and in childhood it is so interesting!
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 9 September 2021 01: 05
            +1
            Quote: ramzay21
            An-28 plane is good, but it was produced in Poland, they also had all the rights ................

            Aircraft Be-32 (Be-30), production was closed by a political decision in favor of the Czech L-410. All documentation for this aircraft at the plant (in Russia) is available.

            There was an option with a gearbox (the shaft connected both motors). The Be-30 (2P) aircraft performed about 50 flights. The test results showed that the installation of the transmission allows the required runway length to be reduced to 450 m, greatly simplifies aircraft piloting in case of engine failures during takeoff and in flight.
            1. SSA
              SSA 9 September 2021 11: 09
              0
              The Be-32 is an excellent aircraft, but it is not suitable for the modern needs of small aircraft, its capabilities are excessive.

              Let's compare it, for example, with "Cessna 208".
              1. Two engines, more fuel, more expensive to maintain than one Cessna engine. 2. Large salon for 18 people, but how many of them are there? And if only 8? Nobody will drive a half-empty plane. But for "Cessna" it is almost a complete salon.
              3. The presence of a co-pilot, in Be, is obligatory, it is, nevertheless, a large plane. But "Cessna 208" on simple and short routes, it is completely controlled by one pilot.

              Let's imagine a conditional city ... Uryukinsk and the villages around it.

              Route Uryukinsk city - Nedostavnoe village, distance 350 km. One take off - one landing. On Cessna, such a flight can be easily performed by one pilot, the time in the air is about 1 hour and 15 minutes. It is not stressful for one pilot and less fuel is consumed. The savings in ticket cost will be immediately noticeable.

              Route Uryukinsk - with. Inaccessible - town. Neftyansk, distance 800 km. There are already several take-offs and landings, and the flight time is about 2,5 - 3 hours. Please welcome the co-pilot to the cabin and a full tank.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 9 September 2021 11: 58
                +1
                Quote: SSA
                The Be-32 is an excellent aircraft, but it is not suitable for the modern needs of small aircraft, its capabilities are excessive.

                The article is written
                Now the plant is launching the production of the L-410 model, which is far from the freshest, but very suitable for Russian realities ...
                That is, if there is a need for an L-410 aircraft, then why is it not in the Be-32 (the production of which was discontinued for the sake of the L-410)?
              2. SSA
                SSA 9 September 2021 12: 28
                0
                And I think that the L-410 is just as unsuitable for our realities as the Be-32. A relatively large twin-engine aircraft, for 18 people, this is an economically disadvantageous aircraft for a vouon to fly to that village 300 km away. And a small one for 4 people, this is already quite small, neither the load nor the ambulance flight can be done.

                A minibus plane with one engine, the ability to be piloted by one pilot, a speed of 300-340 km / h. with a carrying capacity of 1 ton or with a capacity of 9-12 passengers, with a range of 1000-1200 km., this is it.

                The use of small aircraft for inspection purposes (forestry, pipelines, etc.) is the last century. It is cheaper, more convenient and more accessible to use unmanned systems.

                By the way, I was always amused by the flight range of the An-2 of 1000 km, is it at a speed of 180 km / h? Five hours of Anov's "comfort" is strong.
  3. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 8 September 2021 07: 57
    +3
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    We thought everyone would be cut off from the mainland, but we didn’t find another one. Every day flies over my house. The state dates half of the cost of air tickets to the company SILA that operates these planes.So you can fly.

    Give it, God ...
  • Intruder
    Intruder 8 September 2021 15: 22
    +2
    if you need faster you can go by bus it will be faster and maybe cheaper,
    Faster, minimum - 5 hours by bus from Krasnoyarsk to Khakassia, traveled for many years, living in Siberia (less than 400 km.) In his youth and youth, and then if in the summer, but by plane, such as An-24 / L-410 at times faster, the 24th reported in 45 minutes, with landing approaches and takeoffs !!!
  • Doctor
    Doctor 8 September 2021 07: 06
    +12
    Such a road will be relatively inexpensive (within 5 thousand rubles), but it will take more than 22 hours. Such a road will be relatively inexpensive (within 5 thousand rubles), but it will take more than 22 hours. >>>>
    Not a fig yourself inexpensively for 650 km

    This is the whole problem. Low standard of living of the population of the country.

    That's $ 70 in total. Two days of work for a dishwasher in Alaska. laughing
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 September 2021 07: 50
      +12
      Resuscitation !? That is, they began to build aircraft factories. Pilot training began. Or is it just another election campaign.?
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 8 September 2021 08: 12
        +12
        Quote: Gardamir
        Or is it just another election campaign.?

        Totally agree with you.
      2. I am not a robot
        I am not a robot 8 September 2021 14: 17
        -8
        factories and so there is why else to build, pilots and did not stop training
    2. dauria
      dauria 8 September 2021 11: 35
      +3
      That's $ 70 in total. Two days of work for a dishwasher in Alaska.

      In the USA, it seems like a minimum wage of $ 8 per hour? And the lowest paid job is not a dishwasher, but a policeman. wink And in Alaska, a dollar millionaire is a dishwasher after five years of work.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 8 September 2021 13: 14
        +8
        In the USA, it seems like a minimum wage of $ 8 per hour? And the lowest paid job is not a dishwasher, but a policeman. wink And in Alaska, a dollar millionaire is a dishwasher after five years of work.

        Let's take the real deal, right now.

        172 1978 Cessna in Alaska is worth 140 thousand bucks


        The same for a year fresh in Russia 280 thousand. Throw off 30 pieces for a year - 250.


        A police officer in Alaska gets 80 pieces a year.


        Policeman in Moscow 10 units per year.


        TOTAL:
        If a police officer in the United States sets aside half of his salary for a plane, he will buy a Cesna in 4,5 years.
        And Uncle Styopa from Moscow is over 25.
        Just in time for retirement. laughing
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      2. Intruder
        Intruder 8 September 2021 15: 28
        +4
        In the USA, it seems like a minimum wage of $ 8 per hour?
        In 2020, on average - 7,25 bucks per hour - this is the minimum (at the level of human survival in the States) for a simple hard worker without any specialized education, that is, in ours with a school education !!!
        8 hours a day, a full week (5 days) - we get 15 per year, but this is very little, especially in "expensive" states.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 8 September 2021 11: 37
    +3
    Such a road will be relatively inexpensive (within 5 thousand rubles), but it will take more than 22 hours. >>>>
    Not a fig yourself inexpensively for 650 km
    Yes, damn inexpensive! If you go by car, such a distance, then for gasoline and snacks, about that much will go away. Well, give or take a thousand.
  • max702
    max702 8 September 2021 12: 51
    +1
    Aviation is expensive and this is for the wealthy. No, no ... Someone Rem Vyakherev said earlier that gas is expensive for Russians and it should be supplied to Europe for foreign currency, and in Russia it should be heated with cheap coal .. 20 years have passed and it seems that gas has become enough, so it will be with aviation .. Let's raise the economy and everything will be normal.
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 8 September 2021 04: 19
    +12
    In Russia, the blatant underdevelopment of domestic air traffic becomes simply threatening
    The collapse and destruction of a fully developed small aircraft, like many other things under the USSR, is not "underdevelopment", but a purposeful policy of "friends" of Russia and the complete connivance of the Russian government.
    1. Babay Atasovich
      Babay Atasovich 8 September 2021 05: 39
      +13
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The collapse and destruction of a fully developed small aircraft, like many other things under the USSR, is not "underdevelopment"

      I totally agree! The specialized school, which had 1.5 thousand cadets for three courses, is now a BRANCH with 150 !! cadets ... Where to get the pilots ??! And China is luring those away!
      Annushka's councils flocked like locusts from all over the Union to the "sick region" for the chemistry of the parasite. Out of season - regional officials, doctors, pipe flights for gas workers, firefighters, and so on. Mutual assistance was between the detachments for five - it was impossible to block everything! What about now during capitalism? NON-PROFITABILITY! Annushka eats her ASh-62IR unreasonably - you need to plug in an economical turbo and call An-3 or "Baikal". And the fact that with "chemistry" on the rut: 2 meters above the crop - planting - 2 meters above the crop - power lines and if anything, then instead of an injectivity of 3 seconds (and in fact - instantly), there are declared 9 !!! - what is the chance to jump over an obstacle ?? !!! The guys will start to fight - "through the fault of the crew"! ... I will modestly keep silent about Elka.
      1. Zufei
        Zufei 8 September 2021 06: 00
        +5
        Where does 9 seconds of throttle response come from? 1,5sec seems to have been
        1. Babay Atasovich
          Babay Atasovich 9 September 2021 05: 01
          0
          Quote: Zufei
          Where does 9 seconds of throttle response come from? 1,5sec seems to have been

          Where??? On the An-3 it was announced 9, and in fact - 12.
          1. Zufei
            Zufei 9 September 2021 08: 13
            0
            We have AI-450 in 3 seconds. goes to BP
            Probably the question is in the settings.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 8 September 2021 09: 18
        +10
        NON-PROFITABILITY


        This is modernity. And the normal approach.

        In the USSR, fuel was given out at the rate and it was often poured into a ditch in order to receive a premium. Also in the USSR, the planned series prevailed over efficiency. Today, why haul a huge barn when you can fly on a farm plane? Which is simpler, cheaper, cheaper to operate, more convenient to use in the field.


        Moreover, such planes die. For example, Embraer failed with a new farmer. For the era of the UAV. The UAV does not need pilots, it does not thump, it can fly at night, during the day. Already automated stations are being created in China. The UAV is loaded with a program - it executes it, periodically flying to the base for new chemicals and charging. This significantly reduces the cost of processing fields and at the same time significantly increases the quality, because the UAV flies even lower and does not make passes.

        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 8 September 2021 10: 56
          -9
          Quote: donavi49
          In the USSR, fuel was dispensed at the rate and was often poured into a ditch.

          Don't write nonsense!
          1. old grandfather
            old grandfather 8 September 2021 11: 12
            +11
            He worked at Aeroflot. I know firsthand about the discharge of gasoline for the AN-2 into the ravine on the "chemistry".
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 8 September 2021 11: 16
              -9
              Quote: Old grandfather
              I know firsthand about the discharge of gasoline for the AN-2 into the ravine on the "chemistry".

              Maybe they also set it on fire?
          2. your1970
            your1970 8 September 2021 11: 20
            +5
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Quote: donavi49
            In the USSR, fuel was dispensed at the rate and was often poured into a ditch.

            Don't write nonsense!

            Every quarter at the end of the quarter, the organizations received gasoline and poured it into the ravines. The funds had to be selected - otherwise they were cut. My uncle worked at the PMK on a KrAZ fuel tanker - he usually made 2-3 trips to ravines.
            In the fields where there was irrigation with self-propelled sprinklers, there were barrels of gasoline at the edge of the field. For nothing, nobody needed that gasoline. Everyone drove on state-owned trucks, there were few cars and they were still refueled from trucks (they put a gasket in the engines or twisted the distributor)
            1. novel66
              novel66 8 September 2021 18: 33
              +2
              they put a gasket in the engines or twisted the distributor

              not "or", but "and"
              1. your1970
                your1970 8 September 2021 18: 39
                0
                Quote: novel xnumx
                they put a gasket in the engines or twisted the distributor

                not "or", but "and"
                - not everything and not always. The father put a thick aluminum gasket and did not touch the ignition, the detonation was but not strong - the petrol was leaded
                1. novel66
                  novel66 8 September 2021 18: 40
                  +1
                  loss of power is all the same, it is imperative to move
          3. Andrey G.
            Andrey G. 8 September 2021 14: 18
            +7
            I won't say about the planes, but in the 70s and 80s I personally saw and remember the prices, diesel fuel-2 kopecks / liter A-72/78 (I don't remember exactly) -7 kopecks / liter, during harvesting the cereals were actually poured into the ditch.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 8 September 2021 20: 10
          0
          UAVs don't need pilots, they don't thump, they can fly at night, during the day
          Well, while the operators are still sitting, the AI ​​does not completely control them in flight! wink




          1. donavi49
            donavi49 8 September 2021 20: 36
            +3
            These are UAVs that require solutions and difficult maneuvering.

            C / X need to set waypoints in the application and set the parameters. Expensive drones already know how to fly to the base (which also has a waypoint) by themselves.

            1. Intruder
              Intruder 8 September 2021 20: 42
              0
              C / X need to set waypoints in the application and set the parameters. Expensive drones already know how to fly to the base (which also has a waypoint) by themselves.
              And still, even when flying over points on a virtual map of the area with geolocation, the operator must directly control the flight, otherwise a gross violation ...
              And so, for curious comrades:
              In accordance with section VI "General rules for the performance of aviation work" of the Federal Aviation Rules "Preparation and performance of flights in civil aviation of the Russian Federation", approved by order of the Ministry of Transport of Russia dated July 31.07.2009, 128 No. 23.12.2009, aircraft board, including UAV, refers to aviation work. Individuals (legal entities) performing aerial work must comply with the certification requirements established by the Federal Aviation Rules "Requirements for mandatory certification of individuals, legal entities performing aerial work, certification procedure", approved by order of the Ministry of Transport of Russia dated December 249, XNUMX No. XNUMX
      3. not main
        not main 8 September 2021 23: 57
        0
        Quote: Babay Atasovich
        Annushka eats her ASh-62IR unreasonably - you need to plug in an economical turbo and call An-3 or "Baikal". And the fact that with "chemistry" on the rut: 2 meters above the crop - planting - 2 meters above the crop - power lines and if anything, then instead of an injectivity of 3 seconds (and in fact - instantly), there are declared 9 !!! - what is the chance to jump over an obstacle ?? !!! The guys will start to fight - "through the fault of the crew"! ... I will modestly keep silent about Elka.

        Come on! We learned to fly on the Mi-8 after the Mi-4! And no problem!
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 8 September 2021 06: 56
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      In Russia, the blatant underdevelopment of domestic air traffic becomes simply threatening
      The collapse and destruction of a fully developed small aircraft, like many other things under the USSR, is not "underdevelopment", but a purposeful policy of "friends" of Russia and the complete connivance of the Russian government.


      I will correct it. The term "underdevelopment" does not refer to all of Russia, but is limited to the area within the Kremlin wall.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 8 September 2021 06: 58
        +3
        Quote: sergo1914
        I will correct it. The term "underdevelopment" does not refer to all of Russia, but is limited to the area within the Kremlin wall.

        There, just with the "small" aircraft, everything is in order, special helicopters, special aviation detachment, then ... laughing
    3. ViacheslavS
      ViacheslavS 8 September 2021 10: 54
      +4
      It is not "underdevelopment", but there is a purposeful policy of "friends" of Russia and the complete connivance of the Russian government.


      Why look for some kind of secret, small aircraft did not fit into the market, in Soviet times, as a child, I flew with my parents from one "hole" of the Novosibirsk region to another, on the An-2, then in the 90s everything began to collapse in that mess due to unprofitability, fuel became at a market price, service at a market price, well, plus privatization, robbery, division, etc.

      Well, another point of regulation, having and operating a private jet in Russia is an expensive and complicated pleasure in terms of legislation. Therefore, we have what we have in the "decaying" USA, according to open data, about 250 thousand registered means of private small aircraft.
      It is very likely that the problem here is primarily an administrative one, there would be enough people in Russia who could / would like to buy for themselves, say, cessna 172, both among rich people for themselves and among those who would like to do business (transport links, tourism etc.)
      1. Andrey G.
        Andrey G. 8 September 2021 14: 28
        +1
        In the 00s, around 2006, he sold Japanese cars, often in Nsk, at a flea market, on Petukhov.
        I remember the Robinson helicopter was on sale there, I don’t remember the year, but the price hit 10 million rubles. I asked about training - 2,5 million for flight "crusts" with "driving" - an expensive pleasure for "rogue", but the plus and the cost of maintenance, refueling, maintenance - I think so far - not for "loshpets" like us, For the rich, well, I don't pretend to be on a private plane or helicopter, there would be enough for gasoline ...)))))
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 8 September 2021 20: 21
        +1
        Well, another point of regulation, having and operating a private jet in Russia is an expensive and complicated pleasure in terms of legislation. Therefore, we have what we have in the "decaying" USA, according to open data, about 250 thousand registered means of private small aircraft.
        True, even a medical one is easier for cosmonauts, they fly even with glasses in orbit, but here, at an ophthalmologist, you can sail ... in the Russian side!
        I was in the USA, visited a couple of doctors, passed several tests, one of them for drugs, the second regular biochemistry and answered the psychiatrist's test and general for diseases, where I lied in a couple of questions (I know that it was not good .., but there was no point stress doctors lol ) and voila, the medicine is passed.
        Well, this is, to get a private face before entering flight school, but with linear ones there it is a little more difficult, really!
        There are even light birds, they are generally in the service, like a good motorcycle or an ordinary passenger bike, but faster and without traffic jams ... and it's fun to fly:

        Like this, I know one fan, so he put a more powerful motor and two additional tanks and drove from California to the Grand Canyon, then he said that for comfort, the car was not even close!
        1. Babay Atasovich
          Babay Atasovich 9 September 2021 04: 22
          +1
          Quote: Intruder
          Like this, I know one fan, so he put a more powerful motor and two additional tanks and drove from California to the Grand Canyon, then he said that for comfort, the car was not even close!

          What can even compare to the sky? drinks
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 9 September 2021 07: 00
            +3
            with the sky
            Only, Pacific Ocean !!! drinks
  • Revival
    Revival 8 September 2021 04: 23
    +1
    "However, if you look at the problem strategically, the domestic air traffic just saves budget billions. In the remote regions of the Urals, the Far East and Eastern Siberia, it is much more profitable to organize regular flights than to pull roads and railways."

    It will be true here, BUT only on one condition, if you even think for a gram that you should for slaves "In hard-to-reach regions, pull roads and railways."
  • ximkim
    ximkim 8 September 2021 04: 28
    +4
    Once I wanted to get to Samara from Krasnoyarsk by plane, so everything is with transfers.
    As a result, I went by train. laughing
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 September 2021 09: 10
      +3
      Well, the fact that there is no normal direct communication between major cities is an administrative problem, not an airplane problem.
  • svp67
    svp67 8 September 2021 04: 50
    +6
    All aircraft suitable for operation are either produced in a small series (civil L-410s for the whole of Russia no more than 30 pieces), or are only being designed at all.
    There are still many Yak-40s in the sedimentation tanks, about 420 sides, they can be reanimated ...
    1. Zufei
      Zufei 8 September 2021 06: 01
      +1
      Engines from Ukraine?
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 September 2021 06: 14
        +4
        Quote: Zufei
        Engines from Ukraine?

        Worse ... In Novosibirsk, they worked out the modernization, when the plane becomes TWO propulsion, but the engines from the USA are TFE731-3, we do not have such engines yet. Nevertheless, it is more real than getting an engine from Melitopol now.
        1. Zufei
          Zufei 8 September 2021 06: 18
          -2
          Yak-42? Passed
          1. svp67
            svp67 8 September 2021 06: 24
            +5
            Quote: Zufei
            Yak-42? Passed

            No, this is the Yak-40 and it already flies quite well ...


            Higher efficiency, almost twice, the range has increased accordingly and the carrying capacity has increased
            1. Zufei
              Zufei 8 September 2021 06: 56
              +12
              We are making fun of the United States for the RD-180, and here it is again ...
            2. Zufei
              Zufei 8 September 2021 10: 47
              +3
              The planes in the photo have different nacelles, keel base and wingtips.
            3. ramzay21
              ramzay21 8 September 2021 21: 07
              0
              No, this is the Yak-40 and it already flies quite well ...

              The Yak-40 is a good aircraft, and in a twin-engine version, with modern engines, it is economical, especially since the niche of aircraft with 30 seats is free even in the future and would be in great demand. But there are two problems. We do not have an engine, and it is not planned. And the United Russia party demolished the Saratov aircraft plant, which produces the Yak-40 and Yak-42, so there is no one and nowhere to build these aircraft.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 8 September 2021 23: 28
                0
                Quote: ramzay21
                And the United Russia party demolished the Saratov aircraft plant, which produces the Yak-40 and Yak-42, so there is no one and nowhere to build these aircraft.

                They were also made in Smolensk, but there is also a kirdyk.
                Quote: ramzay21
                But there are two problems. We do not have an engine, and it is not planned.

                We do not have many regional airports now.
                1. ramzay21
                  ramzay21 9 September 2021 10: 44
                  +1
                  They were also made in Smolensk, but there is also a kirdyk.

                  Did not know!
                  We do not have many regional airports now.

                  You can't argue with that. First of all, it is necessary to build airports in regional centers.
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 9 September 2021 11: 07
                    0
                    Quote: ramzay21
                    You can't argue with that. First of all, it is necessary to build airports in regional centers.

                    Comrade, at the moment we have so much in our country that after only a couple of five-year plans will not be enough. But there is the most important "must", without which others must remain good wishes.
                    PySy. The Smolensk plant is very sorry .... it even had a direct relationship to the Buran project ..
        2. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 8 September 2021 10: 20
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          In Novosibirsk, they worked out the modernization, when the plane becomes TWO propulsion.

          Isn't that the one with the new "black wing" wing? Composite made in one piece
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 September 2021 13: 58
            0
            Yes, this is it.
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 8 September 2021 12: 51
      +1
      Only we do not have normal engines for them.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 September 2021 13: 57
        0
        PD 8 as completed in full for the updated Yak 40 will do.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 8 September 2021 14: 00
          +2
          May God give our calf a wolf to eat. Why, the engines on the Yak-40 have been spitting out kerosene alive since birth.
        2. Zufei
          Zufei 8 September 2021 20: 21
          +2
          AI-25 on PD-8? Replace 3x1500kgs with 2x8000kgs? Cannon Race
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 8 September 2021 04: 57
    +8
    The question is that the Mishustins come and go. And the places in Moscow are occupied by accountants. They don't give a damn about everything that is unprofitable. And there is no guarantee that tomorrow they will not start to reduce debit-credit again and will not liquidate anything. And they will be right: it is not profitable. It is necessary to eradicate all these "Economics" from education.
    1. 2112vda
      2112vda 8 September 2021 06: 25
      +13
      Totally agree with you. I still don't understand why economics is called a science. There is one science, this is mathematics, everything else is a discipline. Physics and chemistry in the entire history of their existence have never known regular crises. In economics, this is constant. What kind of science is it that is constantly "storming". The economy is the usual accounting totalitarian sectarianism. It's time to well drive these economic luminaries and remove them from power and decision-making, except for harm from our super economists, nothing is visible.
      1. out of habit
        out of habit 8 September 2021 07: 25
        +9
        The economy is the usual accounting totalitarian sectarianism.

        "You say counter-revolutionary things ..." laughing
      2. Terran ghost
        Terran ghost 8 September 2021 10: 45
        +3
        Physics and chemistry in the entire history of their existence have never known regular crises. In economics, this is constant. What kind of science is it that is constantly "storming".

        First, there are no more crises in economics as a science than in any other social science. Secondly, unlike physical or chemical reactions, where atoms, molecules and elementary particles are subject to strict laws and have no free will, in economics we are dealing with people who act at their own discretion and in accordance with their desires and ideas about needs.
      3. ViacheslavS
        ViacheslavS 8 September 2021 11: 05
        +2
        Economics is quite a science for itself, as merciless as physics when ignoring its laws, if in the case of ignoring the laws of physics / chemistry major man-made disasters can occur, then in the case of economics there are crises.
      4. ViacheslavS
        ViacheslavS 8 September 2021 11: 35
        +3
        By the way, in mathematics, there have also been funny cases that can be considered crises as an example of the problem of replacing a plane with convex polygons. At one time it was believed that only eight convex pentagons that could replace the plane, and there was a mathematical proof, and everyone was happy. Until one American housewife, Marjorie Rice, sent in an American checkmate. societies at once three new pentagons with which you can replace the plane, they freaked out, checked everything, made sure that the pentagons are really new, found an error in the previous proof, thanked the attentive housewife, republished the proof with corrections and again calmed down that now there are exactly eleven such pentagons and there will be more can not.
        But Marjoli Rice could not sit still, and she found a new type of convex pentagon and sent the American mate. community in mat. society again got fucked, looked carefully at the proof again found mistakes, apologized, republished with the words, now it’s exactly right and calmed down again. But again, but after a few years, Marjoli found a couple more convex pentagons, American mate. society just resigned to this)

        And if I am not mistaken, in 2017 a French mathematician published a proof that now there are exactly all of them and there are exactly 15 such pentagons, but so far no one has undertaken to check his proof).
      5. Ros 56
        Ros 56 8 September 2021 14: 04
        +1
        Here you are, my friend, a little bit, according to aerodynamics, the May beetle should not fly, but he is illiterate, he has not read aerodynamics, so it flies. lol
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 8 September 2021 14: 12
          0
          Science is always science. Even if we do not know something, this does not mean that we will not know in the future. That is how it differs from faith. She is knowable. Aerodynamics is not a belief. And its provisions will be expanded and refined, and may change. But planes - pieces of iron heavier than air - fly. And now, at the stage of the project, everything is fine.
      6. mmaxx
        mmaxx 8 September 2021 14: 07
        +1
        From the point of view of science, economics is not a science at all. That's for sure.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 8 September 2021 06: 43
      +1
      As befits any prime minister:
      voiced "... There are a lot of plans ..."
      And no one thought to delve into the details ... Although I will not argue - a properly built air traffic network is both convenience for passengers, and additional. workplaces for staff.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 8 September 2021 23: 31
        0
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        As befits any prime minister:
        voiced "... There are a lot of plans ..."
        And no one thought to delve into the details ... Although I will not argue - a properly built air traffic network is both convenience for passengers, and additional. workplaces for staff.

        What are the plans, PR and electoral hype.
    3. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 8 September 2021 10: 39
      +2
      And there is no guarantee that tomorrow they will not start reducing debit-credit again and will not liquidate anything. And they will be right: it is unprofitable

      And then the question is - why should taxpayers feed obviously unprofitable (that is, they are not temporarily unprofitable, but always unprofitable - and need subsidies on an ongoing basis) industrial enterprises that produce uncompetitive products?
      Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore, for example, used to close such enterprises at one time simply to clarify the fact that the enterprise "will always need subsidies" and without them it cannot and cannot work.
      1. your1970
        your1970 8 September 2021 11: 25
        +3
        Quote: Terran Ghost
        Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore, for example, at one time usually closed such enterprises simply

        He could stand on one border - to the opposite border of the state ... to spit on !!!
        Found a damn example ...
      2. mmaxx
        mmaxx 8 September 2021 14: 15
        +1
        Then our entire country must be closed. People lived for 1000 years and did not know ...
        I’m wondering why in Moscow there is such an economically efficient acre of stores that people from there measure everything for money? And others are taught.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 8 September 2021 04: 59
    +8
    In remote areas, every normal household should have a private helicopter or an airplane, like a private car ... flyers can be trained locally in specialized institutions.
    Then the issue with local flights will be closed.
    I looked at how this business works in Alaska and Canada and it became enviable.
    smile
    They have airplanes there that manage to take off and land on patches of 50 meters ... artists ... circus.
    No airfields are needed.
    1. Babay Atasovich
      Babay Atasovich 8 September 2021 05: 45
      -2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      flyers can be trained from local to specialized institutions

      laughing good less losses! yes And then the commander (former navigator) and the second (former pilot) could not simply go to the second circle and crashed over a hundred passengers wink
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 8 September 2021 10: 28
        +3
        Quote: Babay Atasovich
        over there the commander (former navigator) and the second (former flight driver) could not simply go to the second round and ...
        After the Kazan catastrophe, the authorities promised to revoke licenses from several schools / FTOs and it seems like hundreds of those who received ..., a mess of the transition period: the old training system is destroyed, the new one has not been worked out ...
    2. Sergey1964
      Sergey1964 8 September 2021 06: 30
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      In remote areas, every normal household should have a private helicopter or airplane, like a private car ... flyers can be trained from local

      Logical.
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 8 September 2021 07: 20
      +1
      Will you buy them planes ??? wassat
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 8 September 2021 09: 43
        0
        Go to the internet and ask about the prices for airplanes.
        I went in and looked ... it is quite within the power of a wealthy farmer to buy a simple plane without bells and whistles.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 8 September 2021 12: 48
          +4
          Lech, buy it and I'll see how things will go with operating costs such as a license, maintenance, fuel and lubricants, etc. This is all in addition to purely farm affairs. Good luck. hi
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 9 September 2021 04: 06
            0
            I agree ... what This is of course a problem and the state should help people here.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 9 September 2021 06: 49
              0
              How, again, the state, but what about the market and capitalism, to which they were so eager that the country was profiled ??? Don't joke like that, Chubais will swear and Stankevich will not approve. wassat
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 8 September 2021 04: 59
    +6
    There would be such a Be-32 airplane in Taganrog. He winged like a bull this sheep L-410. But .... We then helped the "brothers" ...
    A beautiful plane alive.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 8 September 2021 07: 18
      +6
      Here it is, your plane:
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 8 September 2021 14: 17
        +2
        I was even in it! Liked it even more wink
        For some reason, the photo does not convey his appearance. In dynamics - you can't take your eyes off.
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 8 September 2021 05: 42
    0
    I don’t understand at all why they cannot recreate a modern analogue of the Be-30 or An-38 in a couple of years? After all, these machines were built according to the technologies of the 60s, that is, there is nothing super complicated there. But the aircraft of this class is exactly what is needed for the remote villages of Siberia and the Far East, where there are no concrete strips, and there are only primers 1000 meters long. Helicopters, compared to aircraft of this class, are several times more expensive to operate, since they are very gluttonous, the Mi-8, for example, eats 800 kg of kerosene per hour, it's like the An-24, which flies 2 times faster and takes on board 2 times more passengers, that is, the economic profitability of the An-24 is 4 times higher than the economic profitability of the Mi-8.
    1. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 8 September 2021 10: 51
      0
      why can't they recreate a modern analogue of the Be-30 or An-38 in a couple of years? After all, these machines are built according to the technologies of the 60s, that is, there is nothing super complicated there.

      An-38 took off for the first time in 1994. This is far from the 1960s.
      They tried to return the Be-30 to production (although the original aircraft was produced in a "mind-blowing" series of as many as 8 (eight) aircraft) in the 1990s and 2010-2012. Both times are not very successful.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 8 September 2021 05: 49
    +2
    Yesterday, and this is very alarming, on the RBK TV channel, for 40 minutes, the designer of "Baikal" Demin described the advantages of this apparatus and showed how it is being built. So far, only the fuselage without wings. And that's all. As a rule, such reports are not free of charge on the part of the customer. This is PR. Question: why promote something that has not yet flown ???
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 8 September 2021 14: 18
      +3
      You need money ... Money ...
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 8 September 2021 06: 09
    0
    "In terms of the specific number of civil aircraft, we are only 25 times lagging behind Alaska" - again, alignment with America, but there the area of ​​the state is smaller than our Far East and all of Siberia, and the population mainly lives on the coast, while our population beyond the Urals is mainly historically lives along the ancient Siberian tract, which the Cossacks Dezhnev and Khabarov mastered, where most of the cities are located and the main transport routes pass, the middle part of Siberia is practically not inhabited with rare exceptions, in the Far East the bulk of the population lives along the border with Mongolia and China, for with the exception of Chukotka, Kamchatka and Sakhalin, so the types and number of this type of boards must be calculated based on real need and economic feasibility
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 8 September 2021 09: 07
      +4
      Well, you can compare it with the "mainland" of the United States, there will be not much less numbers .. I don't know .. maybe if it doesn't work out - remove duties on the import of small aircraft? I don't want to, but what if there is no other option? people then need to fly on something, and not wait someday that they will be remembered .. but how they will build their own - introduce duties back .. otherwise the last 10 years only talk, but there are still no people of their own in the foreseeable future .. plus to simplify exactly for companies with small aircraft, obtaining a certificate .. otherwise the conditions are now for a company with 20 trunk lines, that with 5 an-2 .. ie. and a business that is not super-large will not particularly enter aviation ..
      1. your1970
        your1970 8 September 2021 11: 29
        0
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        conditions now, that for a company with 20 trunk lines, that with 5 an-2 .. ie. and a business that is not super-large will not particularly enter aviation ..

        Will they be able to pay compensation to their relatives in the event of the death of passengers? Or go bankrupt at once?
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 8 September 2021 11: 46
          +4
          insurance happens for this, and on all types of passenger transport .. private traders carry buses on buses, and they may be more dangerous ..

          The introduction of OSGOPP in the Russian Federation is provided for by the Federal Law of June 14.06.2012, 67 No. 1-FZ "On compulsory insurance of civil liability of the carrier for harm to life, health, property of passengers and on the procedure for compensating for such harm caused during the transportation of passengers by the metro", which entered effective from January 2013, XNUMX. This normative act regulates relations arising in connection with the implementation of compulsory civil liability insurance of a carrier (with the exception of the metro and passenger taxis) for causing harm to the life, health, property of passengers during transportation.

          This law insures all types of transportation, including air .. therefore, as a rule, this insurance is paid in case of something .. although they often say, like help from the state or from an airline ... it comes from them, but in advance , then they get back from the insurance ..
          and by the way, the passengers of minibuses are also insured .. just not everyone knows about it ..
          1. your1970
            your1970 8 September 2021 11: 56
            0
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            by the way, the passengers of minibuses are also insured .. just not everyone knows about it ..

            I know, a relative had an accident, and intercity shuttles paid him 103. Truth through the court - there was no formal fault there
            In aviation, there are simply more amounts
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 8 September 2021 12: 14
              +3
              Yes, Sergey completely agrees, so in this case everything is provided for with money. But that a regional airline to open, the same conditions as a mainline one, this does not help local airlines to appear .. and of course the very absence of airplanes there, and you will get tired of getting a flight certificate for old ones (although this is, in principle, correct). ...
              that is, if the authorities do not want / cannot help with the opening / plane, then at least do not interfere or give a little privileges - there will already be norms of this help ..
              And there is still a big question about the opening of airfields .. now even on an unpaved one, there are so many BUT according to different norms .. but it will become profitable only with mass movement, and it will be with massive airfields .. a problem that also needs to be solved ..
              Moreover, these problems at the level of the legislator can be largely solved - by weakening the norms for the "kids" .. but no .. we have no small business or small aircraft, it seems, are of no interest to anyone ..
              1. your1970
                your1970 8 September 2021 15: 14
                0
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                now there are so many BUT on a dirt track according to different standards ..

                You see, in the USSR, the state was responsible for everything .... We broke up, cried, paid aid, that's all .... It was pointless to sue the state ...

                And now - capitalism ...
                The relatives of the deceased orchestra appealed to the ECHR - because, according to the lawyers, the flight was overseas and the payments should be the same as all over the world - about 20 million each. And the state (MO) has already paid them 5-7 million for servicemen ...
                Perhaps this was the case in the USSR? No!
                Therefore, it was simple enough ...
                No one will take responsibility for lowering requirements. Because tomorrow - God forbid, at such a grassy airfield, to be crushed on the conditional AN-2 - and relatives will run to the ECHR
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 8 September 2021 17: 07
                  +1
                  do they fly in other countries? and airfields are simpler - almost just a site with markings - a whole bunch ...
                  and to run to the ECHR - well, let them flee .. if the state is not guilty, figs who will exact what they want from the Russian Federation, let them complain about the owner, just here, the owner of the Ministry of Defense .. And anyone can go to court on any issue, but to win it another question..
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 8 September 2021 18: 29
                    0
                    Quote: 2 level advisor

                    and to run to the ECHR - well, let them flee .. if the state is not guilty, figs who will exact what they want from the Russian Federation, let them complain about the owner, just here, the owner of the Ministry of Defense .. And anyone can go to court on any issue, but to win it another question..

                    most likely they will demand .. there was a great article on this topic ...

                    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                    do they fly in other countries? and airfields are simpler - almost just a site with markings - a whole bunch ...
                    - a systemic difference in approaches. It is customary all over the world to insure their real estate. Everywhere, except for the Russian Federation ..
                    about 10% are insured against fire, 12% of real estate objects are insured against floods - I don’t remember the exact numbers, but the procedure is as follows. The Far East is drowned every year, and every year the state rescues the population and builds houses at state expense.
                    In the USA, they insure themselves and hit their heads against a concrete wall - in our country, they first hit their heads against a concrete wall, and then the state saves and heals ...
                    A trivial example - every year in the spring near St. Petersburg, ice floes are carried out to sea with fishermen for smelt. Helicopters fly behind them, chase ships ... in any country except the Russian Federation - they would be given a bill for such a flight - that would be enough to pay grandchildren ... ...
                    Ours rescue them for free, but if they do rescue them anyway, then they can go catching again tomorrow !!!!

                    And do you believe that these people will insure something? Some flights almost on a heavenly bicycle?
                    They over there describe-that in the AN-2 in the aisle, citizens were flying standing like in a tram ...
                    1. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor 8 September 2021 19: 52
                      0
                      Quote: your1970
                      most likely they will demand .. there was a great article on this topic ...

                      but it seems to me that they will not demand anything, but - practice will show ..

                      Quote: your1970
                      And do you believe that these people will insure something? some flights almost on a heavenly bike?

                      I threw you a link - that all passengers are insured and we have it on the machine when a carrier obtains a license (by any air carrier too) .. so everything here is the norm in terms of insurance, and in case of an accident at a private airport, a private plane (if not we had insurance) - what does the Russian Federation have to do with it? such a claim is not something that the ECHR, but the district will not accept ..

                      but I agree with you about fishermen, flooding, etc. completely ... well, and who's stopping to collect all sorts of fishermen? I think it would be worth ..
  • 2112vda
    2112vda 8 September 2021 06: 18
    +3
    Quote: Babay Atasovich
    The guys will start to fight - "through the fault of the crew"! ... I will modestly keep silent about Elka.

    Who feels sorry for them? The same Istrins are fighting with their star, they are told that the stars are outdated. But our aviation industry is run by "effective managers" with a sociological education. Either "Jabiru" will be bought and no matter how they will not be put into series, then an aircraft engine is fenced off from the Auros engine (God bless him if for a private pilot), they are going to put it on the planes of local airlines. They also bought an Italian dropsy. It seems that everything is done on purpose so that Russia does not revive its own engine building for light aircraft. For apartments and mansions in London, Paris and America, too, you have to pay with loyalty.
    1. your1970
      your1970 8 September 2021 11: 31
      +3
      Quote: 2112vda
      It seems that everything is done on purpose so that Russia does not revive its own engine building for light aircraft.

      All the life of the USSR with aviation engines toiled ...
  • Sergey1964
    Sergey1964 8 September 2021 06: 24
    +11
    "State date small and medium aircraft in all countries, including the USA and Canada. "
    Correct "date" to "subsidize". Dating (eg radiocarbon dating) and grants are two different things. Since the "state" is in the singular, it does not "subsidize", but "subsidizes". Otherwise, from the very first paragraph, the literate reader will have the impression that the article was written by another victim of the exam, and the credibility of the article will immediately be undermined.

    "and, by itself, settling territories adjacent to the Arctic Ocean ".
    Do not understand.
    1. Why "by itself"? Why settle them and what will the settlers do there? Reindeer to graze? This is how the locals do it. And there will not be enough reindeer for everyone - the tundra ecosystem is not rubber. To mine non-ferrous metals? There is already Norilsk for this, and I did not hear that Norilsk Nickel suddenly had problems with raw materials.
    2. In the territories adjacent to the Arctic Ocean, living conditions are very (the key word is very) unfavorable. Who will go there to check in? In Krasnoyarsk and in the adjacent territories, the conditions are incomparable (the key word is incomparable) better, but I somehow do not observe the flow of settlers.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 September 2021 07: 12
    +4
    I know one thing, in terms of the cost of a flight hour, no Baikal versus An-2 is a competitor, neither in terms of loading, nor in terms of operation and maintenance costs. Well, there is no better plane, the genius created it, Oleg Konstantinovich Antonov.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 September 2021 08: 39
      +9
      The An-2 cannot be fully exploited today, according to the legislation. The fact that people are stuffed into it like a killer in a jar and trunks are put in the aisles, this is a tough violation, which, if something happens, not only significantly increases the death toll, but also automatically files a criminal case against the pilots and aircraft owners.

      Baikal is made under the existing legislation. That is why 9 people only and trunks cannot be put in the aisles.

      There are a lot of other constructive problems. Starting from the engine, which is still missing in fact, ending with a mass of very controversial decisions, for example, I will repeat the chassis diagram itself. Everyone in this class has long since switched to a flat floor with a full-fledged 3 support landing gear with a bow strut. This, for example, increases comfort, reduces the risk of injury during hard landings, and allows you to connect complete accessories (for example, a trunk). The developers of Baikal have chosen an archaic scheme with a tail crutch / wheel. It is a little easier, but it significantly increases the risk of nodding on landing. Cuts space under the trunk by 30-40%. It creates inconvenience for passengers and, again, suboptimal loads on difficult landings.

      If you look in the west for the closest and modern analogue of Lake Baikal, this is Kodiak. The same 9 seats, a similar engine (even slightly weaker), a similar purpose. True American style 100500 options and accessories for every taste. Normal layout with nasal support.



      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 8 September 2021 09: 19
        +4
        And the legislation on flights is a little simpler. And a bunch of even smaller piston planes
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 8 September 2021 09: 21
        +2
        They want to sell something over the hill, let them do it for 9 people, who forbids us to carry 12 people?
        An-2 is good, it can sit on any penny with a length of 150 - 200 meters, in any field. Dropping him, you have to have talent, though it happened, but mainly because of the gouging in the cockpit. And this handsome American will require a better and larger field and appropriate equipment, and the cost of flying on it will be prohibitive for us. After all, where the An-2 flew, to regional centers and villages where there are no equipped airfields, this was his trick, cheap and cheerful.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 8 September 2021 09: 26
          +7
          1) So we have 9 according to the law. And if 12 - then there are already other requirements for the aircraft.
          2) This one can too. And then, what's the point of chasing sports economy? Both planes land on the ground. Both require a security zone. Therefore, all the same, the strip is being prepared / mowed, leveled at 400+ meters. If we are talking about passenger transportation.
          3) This American has a better engine in terms of parameters than on Baikal. About An-2 - a fuel fighter, I am silent.
          4) It requires a similar ground infrastructure and can land unaccompanied by ground and without illumination, for visual flights.
          5) Kodiak flies like tourism to all sorts of Africa / Asia and as a passenger plane between villages without airports.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 8 September 2021 09: 34
            +3
            Yes, I'm really against a good plane, but we don't have it. And the fact that there is or can be modified, our brilliant hopmenagers cannot stand the An-28/38 shooting range, they are above that. And it will be more expensive to buy over the hill, they have already stumbled upon the same black wing on the MS-21. You have to do it yourself. I’m not worried, I’ll hardly live, but let the young do it.
          2. SSA
            SSA 8 September 2021 23: 10
            +1
            In my opinion, "Cessna-208" "Caravan" is an ideal aircraft for our conditions. With the appropriate landing gear, a time-tested aircraft lands on the water, on a snowy field, and on the ground. One engine and one pilot, significant savings in money, and a good range will allow you to land on intermediate runways, in some small settlements, with minimal infrastructure and without additional. refueling.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 9 September 2021 06: 22
              0
              Let's agree a priori, we are talking about our technology. All these Cessna and others, together with spare parts, are there today, and tomorrow is quite the opposite. And it's not only about sanctions, but also about jobs for us.
        2. ramzay21
          ramzay21 8 September 2021 20: 58
          0
          An-2 was relevant 50 years ago, when oil cost $ 7 per barrel, at a price of $ 70 it is too expensive and unsafe attraction.
          Airports should be built as much as possible in regional centers, in villages there is enough helipad, but building normal, with a concrete strip, the twenty-first century in the yard, there may be enough passengers to carry from unpaved runways, it may be time to think about flight safety, and put safety and economy at the fore aircraft, not the ability to take off from any field.
          With modern technologies, it is possible to build a strip with a hard surface much faster and it costs much less than 40 years ago, there are already machines laying concrete 30 meters wide, only the concrete is delivered. It takes one to two months to build a kilometer long strip for the safe reception of normal aircraft, but we continue to lay out strips with concrete slabs, as 70 years ago.
          1. Babay Atasovich
            Babay Atasovich 9 September 2021 04: 12
            0
            I farted like a puddle ... Build a strip near each village.
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 9 September 2021 06: 26
            0
            Don't you think that such a strip, together with equipment and staff salaries, will cost more than the whole village together with the population? No?
            1. ramzay21
              ramzay21 9 September 2021 10: 41
              0
              If you read carefully, then I wrote about the fact that it makes sense to build airports in the regional center, and in villages and villages it is easier to build a helipad.
              Nobody calls for the construction of an analogue of Sheremetyevo in regional centers. There are airfields of different categories, and airfields of regional centers that receive aircraft during daylight hours in simple weather conditions do not require special equipment, but a kilometer of concrete pavement will significantly increase flight safety. Or are you a supporter of flights from unpaved runways?
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 9 September 2021 13: 19
                0
                I love to fly when there is of course the opportunity, so for me at least on a broomstick. laughing
      3. mmaxx
        mmaxx 8 September 2021 14: 27
        +2
        With tail support concrete jamb. You can't carry passengers like that.
    2. Babay Atasovich
      Babay Atasovich 9 September 2021 04: 03
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      I know one thing, in terms of the cost of a flight hour, no Baikal versus An-2 is a competitor, neither in terms of loading, nor in terms of operation and maintenance costs. Well, there is no better plane, the genius created it, Oleg Konstantinovich Antonov.

      good "There are people in our villages"! laughing Annushka is the best device in the world! yes drinks
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 September 2021 07: 15
    +4
    With small aircraft, we run into problems ...
    1. Low airplane filling.
    2. Smaller salary of the pilot
    3. Incomes of the population in the regions
    4. Different airport economics
    5. Terms of aircraft leasing


    Everyone wants to have it out of it, like from flight B737 Moscow - Krasnodar ...
    1. alstr
      alstr 8 September 2021 11: 10
      +1
      In fact, the first problem is that we have small aircraft in the corral - all kinds of bans on flights, and getting a permit is still a crap. Those. type, submit your application 30 days before the accident and we will consider your application within the time frame established by law (45 days).

      The first step is to make it as easy, fast and convenient as possible to obtain a flight permit.
      To begin with, at least in the East of the country, where small aircraft are really needed. In addition, there are fewer closed areas per unit area.

      And from here to reach private traders, who, by the way, do not need planes even for 9 people (this will already be something like a Gazelle). On average, a private trader needs a light plane for 4 people + luggage, those. carrying capacity from 500 - 700 kg, with a range of 500-1000 km, i.e. car replacement.
      At the same time, the aircraft should be oak (forgiving piloting errors), easy to maintain, and low takeoff / run.
      Then points 1-2 will disappear as unnecessary.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 8 September 2021 11: 20
        +1
        Quite right., Refueled with gasoline .... Flew, said where and forward. notification.
        For example, I have a DOSAF airfield next to the Enem town ... from the USSR yet. to Krasnodar 7 km. An28 is based. You can safely fly to all the same airfields in the region: KMF, Armavir, Tuapse, Maykop, Sochi, etc. especially since the region is densely populated, there are problems with traffic and the population and tourists with money ....... and a bunch of resorts in KK, Adygea and KMV
      2. AC520
        AC520 8 September 2021 13: 09
        +1
        Well, in terms of permissions, you are a little off topic. If you have any kind of Internet, filing an application or notification for a TRS takes from 40 minutes to an hour. Another question is that in this Putin's Russia, where the guarantor is a coward and all his henchmen are cowards, the notification system of the IVP has been turned, in fact, into a permitting system ... But this is only a matter of time. As soon as people who are not so afraid of their own people settle in the Kremlin, I think this issue will quickly be settled.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 9 September 2021 06: 44
          0
          You are shallow and primitive reasoning, and Putin was dragged completely out of place.
          There will always be those who want to steer and fuck with it. Even the beaches are fenced off and make a paid entrance, probably Putin gave the instruction? You are petty liberals.
  • ramzay21
    ramzay21 8 September 2021 07: 52
    +4
    When our government stops thinking about the place where it sits on golden toilets, then the state airline Aeroflot will be recreated, which will purchase only domestic aircraft and will plan to develop air traffic.
    Many airlines create for theft of funds, there in each company half will be presidents, vice presidents, assistants, directors, department heads, secretaries, and there will be no one to work as always. Our country has been following this path for 30 years.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 8 September 2021 09: 20
      0
      Lately it began to seem to me that progress has begun.
      1. ramzay21
        ramzay21 8 September 2021 19: 35
        +2
        We have been waiting for these advances for 30 years, but everything goes wherever it goes, it goes there. Otherwise, why open the next airlines in which you need to keep a bunch of dorms?
        The airline that operates domestic flights on local airlines must be state-owned and it must be one, the same airline must operate flights between all regional centers, as well as flights abroad, thus covering the costs of less profitable local flights with more profitable flights. the payment received by Aeroflot for the flight on the Trans-Siberian railway should also go.
        And so everything is as usual. Money from profitable Aeroflot flights, as well as flight fees, are distributed among the pockets, and unprofitable flights are hung on the budget, which also hangs up the profits of regional airlines and the maintenance of a heap of dormitories. Everything is Putin-style.
        1. your1970
          your1970 9 September 2021 09: 03
          0
          Quote: ramzay21
          it should be one, the same airline should operate flights between all regional centers, as well as flights abroad, thus covering the costs of less profitable local flights with more profitable flights, the payment received by Aeroflot for flying the Trans-Siberian route should also go there.

          I'll tell you a secret - Aeroflot of the USSR was unprofitable. ...
          That is why now no airline wants to fly within the country - it is too unprofitable ...
          And if Aeroflot is made state-owned and the only one, then the state budget will pay for everything again.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 9 September 2021 09: 17
            0
            Quote: your1970
            I'll tell you a secret - Aeroflot of the USSR was unprofitable. ...
            That is why now no airline wants to fly within the country - it is too unprofitable ...
            And if Aeroflot is made state-owned and the only one, then the state budget will pay for everything again.

            And this once again confirms that the USSR was still a people's country, and the Russian Federation is a joint stock company, the owners of which are profitable to pump oil, but it is not profitable to maintain the population.
            Find another country where there is no domestic transportation with the wording unprofitable ?!
          2. ramzay21
            ramzay21 9 September 2021 10: 21
            0
            I'll tell you a secret - Aeroflot of the USSR was unprofitable. ...

            I'll tell you openly, in the late 80s, after the start of economic experiments by idiots who consider themselves smart, the entire USSR became unprofitable.

            China, which long ago took the place of the USSR, is developing air transportation at an unheard-of pace, and the state-owned company is the main airline there.
            The Chinese, on the other hand, are beginning to produce their own aircraft, which in all respects is much worse than Boeing or Airbus, and the state subsidizes this, knowing full well that the production of aircraft is a costly business, but in one and a half to two decades, China will master the production of aircraft, and this will employ millions of highly paid specialists. Over time, their planes will compete with the leaders on world markets, and we will continue to carry around exhibitions the only copy of the next one that has no analogs in the world, fly on imported planes, get from Novokuznetsk to Novosibirsk via Moscow, and listen to about the next program and get up from our knees.
            1. your1970
              your1970 9 September 2021 11: 26
              0
              Quote: ramzay21
              I'll tell you openly, in the late 80s, after the start of economic experiments idiots, who consider themselves smart, the entire USSR became unprofitable.

              Oops..........
              That is, the Politburo and the Central Committee of the CPSU, the Council of Ministers, the 27th Congress of the CPSU (which adopted a new development program) - everything is complete idiots???? !!!!!
              But....
              And with this how then to be
              Quote: Stroporez
              that the USSR was still a people's country
              ???????
              A country ruled by some idiots, inhabited by smart people or, too, that .... ????

              However, if your theory is correct, this explains why the USSR collapsed almost instantly ...

              Quote: Stroporez
              Find another country where there is no domestic transportation with the wording unprofitable ?!

              Do you know many countries that have the world's longest land border with a neighboring state?
              The USSR was FORCED to carry the population by air. There would have been an opportunity to build a road - and the USSR would not have driven. This is quite an expensive pleasure. ....

              We had a faculty of navigators at our technical school. They had a scholarship with additional payments for flight hours in practice more than 230 rubles belay
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 8 September 2021 14: 30
      +2
      Word for word I say the same thing all the time. Whom did Aeroflot interfere with? Leave 2-3 for now and that's enough. All small things do not pull the order. He will not be
  • Tests
    Tests 8 September 2021 10: 48
    +6
    “Payback, as mentioned above, is out of the question: the main thing is to create living conditions close to the standards of the European part of Russia. It should be remembered that there are no transport arteries between some settlements of the region, people have not left their places of residence for decades. " Author, dear, have you been to the Arkhangelsk region for a long time? Like the European part of Russia.
    In 1990, 91 or 1992 (I can’t remember exactly), lightning hit the bridge over the Syuzma River and the bridge burned down. And the village of Syuzma was cut off from civilization. So the people had to get to Nyonoksa from Severodvinsk by train, and then on foot through the taiga and swamps or at low tide along the coast of the White Sea through 2 small rivers Rezhma (Bolshaya and Malaya) and through streams to the Syuzma river to finish stamping, there by boat to cross Syuzma and hurray , you are in the village of Syuzma! True, if there is a storm and tide at sea, wind from the north or northeast, then you can take a boat and move to Syuzma - make a fire under the trees and wait for the weather by the sea, maybe a day, maybe two ... And this year is a great holiday - in Nyonoksa, electric wooden posts are being changed and they promised that a line will finally be extended to Syuzma, there will be electricity in Syuzma from the network, and not from the generator by the hour ...
    The Northern Dvina has not been cleansed for 30 years of democracy. Only the ship-wheel steamer "NV Gogol", which belongs to the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center, JSC, drives excursionists from Arkhangelsk just above Novodvinsk along the Dvina River on weekends. Previously, NV Gogol drove Zvezdochka workers directly from Severodvinsk, now they are stranded in "troughs" from the pier to the Nikolsky branch of the Northern Dvina. Although the draft of the steamer is not large ... The right bank of the Northern Dvina is quietly dying. No white cargo-passenger ships, no tugs with timber rafts, no "Zarya". On the Zarya, in the evenings, in addition to passengers, flasks with fresh milk were transported across the river. No Il-14 and An-2 flights. Ti-shi-na ... Almost a graveyard ...
    Zaurbek (Zaur), dear, Mr. Mishustin on May 24.05.2021, 1349 signed the Order of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 44-r, according to which 19 airfields become sites. In the Arkhangelsk region, 18 are closed: Kotlas, Letnyaya Zolotitsa, Lopshenga, Onega, Pertominsk, Purnema, Verkhnyaya Zolotitsa, Ruchyi, Koida, Dolgoschelje, Soyana, Mezen, Moseevo, Safonovo, Leshukonskoe, Tsenogora, Koinas, Vozhglemorskaya NA - XNUMX, in the villages Shoyna, Chizha, Nes, Vizhas, Oma, Sheaf, Belushye, Volokovaya, Nizhnyaya Pesha, Kotkino, Labozhskoye, Kamenka, Khorey-Ver, Haruta, Karatayka, Ust-Kara, Indiga. The development of small aircraft, you say ... In Siberia and the Far East it will be like in the European part of the Russian Federation ... In the Krasnoyarsk Territory, five airfields are closed: in Kuznetsovo, Boguchany, Yeniseisk, Yartsevo, Tura. In the Irkutsk region - Nizhneudinsk, in Yakutia - Aikhal. And one more - in the Far East, in Komsomolsk-on-Amur - Dzemgi ... Here is such a picture of the squiggle ... Either someone gets up from his knees, or quietly saws for himself and his friends difficult billions on the reanimation of small aircraft in Russia.
  • AC520
    AC520 8 September 2021 11: 13
    +9
    This Putin team will fail with small aircraft. As in many other industries, where instead of professionals sit narrow-minded crooks and their children. Aviation should be handled by aviators. They sit in Moscow and suck TK out of the finger on a Far Eastern plane. Have any of them ever been to the Far East? On my own small plane, I flew from California to the Far East through Canada, Alaska, Chukotka. For several years he flew all over the Far East. And I'm not the only one. Did any of these spotters ask for advice? No. Because of these, Putin's, no one cares about small aircraft and flights in the Far East. They won't build a damn thing. Because there is no domestic motor and will not be. And with Garrett or Pratt Whitney, I'd rather buy something that has proven itself foreign. The country produces 100LL. Dozens (if not hundreds) of An-2 are rotting under the fences. State repair factories are tormented by idleness and lack of money. Post-factory An-2 costs 6 million rubles. Give these planes to the national economy and sell the fuel at prime cost. Everything. DV will fly in all directions. Without any subsidies. And then think about building the An-2 to replace it. Think and design for at least 10 years. But no. It's very simple and effective. Better to put at the head of the Federal Air Transport Agency its gravedigger-Neradko, and we will spread billions for development in Moscow's pockets. This is the whole essence of Putin's Russia.
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 8 September 2021 11: 26
    +7
    Yes, you cannot reach the Soviet level in ten years! The elections will be held and everything will calm down! And with new cities as well! For there is a completely opposite process, resettlement from the North and East to the Moscow region and to the South, Krasnodar, Sochi, Crimea, etc. And so far there are no prerequisites for the opposite, in addition to the election promises of fantasies.
  • Sergey Aleksandrovich
    Sergey Aleksandrovich 8 September 2021 11: 32
    -2
    I suggest starting with the army. Starting with each brigade commander, and even more so a division, allocate for use a small twin-engine aircraft with piston engines or a helicopter of the K-226 type, depending on where and what is more suitable. Then the matter will move.
    1. AC130 Ganship
      AC130 Ganship 8 September 2021 22: 31
      +1
      They need more helicopters - a free slave force to carry the bathhouse to the dacha to finish building.
      And if it's real, are you laughing? Where and why should he fly? Pilots and technicians need to be paid wages. And also, it is necessary to maintain airfields near these divisions. An14 could take off from a field with a length of 120 m. L410 needs an asphalt runway
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 8 September 2021 22: 38
        -1
        In the Great Patriotic War, each division commander had a dedicated aircraft for the Germans. And they probably had a pilot and the technicians were paid. Are you saying that we cannot afford this even after 75 years? And airfields in the USSR were in almost every decent garrison. And if the plane is small, a dirt runway should be enough for it. Again, where there are no airfields, a helicopter can be used there.
      2. your1970
        your1970 9 September 2021 11: 33
        0
        Quote: AC130 Ganship
        L410 needs an asphalt runway

        No, we flew from the specified primer ...
  • senima56
    senima56 8 September 2021 12: 02
    +2
    Sad .... But the truth .... Unfortunately.
  • Mike bass
    Mike bass 8 September 2021 12: 23
    +1
    The airport in Novosibirsk is not TolmachevoA, but Tolmachevo.
  • weddu
    weddu 8 September 2021 13: 13
    0
    The Czech aircraft plant Aircraft Industries (formerly Let) in Kunovice with all the documentation and property for the production of L-410, L-610 is fully controlled by the Russian JSC Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company (UMMC, owned by Iskander Makhmudov). In fact, this is already a Russian plane.
    1. senima56
      senima56 8 September 2021 17: 06
      +2
      "In fact, this is already a Russian plane." ...., yeah, but from Czech components! fool hi
      1. weddu
        weddu 8 September 2021 21: 27
        -3
        .. there is a constant process of modernization and import substitution of aircraft components and assemblies. By the end of 2021, the level of localization should be brought to 72%. In the future, the aircraft will be equipped with a domestic VK-800S turboprop engine developed by UEC-Klimov.
  • Andrey G.
    Andrey G. 8 September 2021 13: 59
    +1
    I have been flying the route Barnaul-Krasnoyarsk-Barnaul for about a year, L-410, AN-24, AN-26, ATR 72-500 flew at all, I subdivide them into "Gazelle", "PAZik", "Ikarus". On "Antonov" it is really scary on takeoff in windy weather, I was especially interested in mistakes about designing a glider (I do not insist).
    The rest is tolerant. Price there / back if you buy in 2 weeks 5500 rubles. for 5 days 7500 rub. Travel time from 1 hour 45 minutes to 2 hours. Another option: Barnaul Nsk by car 220 km 2,5-3 hours. Train 12 hours. In total, it left until 15-20 hours (left in advance, then "Bolshevichka" worth it, then what kind of gemmor is the same Nsk!) for money up to 15000 rubles. AIRPLANES ARE STEERING!
  • nonsense
    nonsense 8 September 2021 14: 29
    +1
    :( late 80s Transbaikalia, the city of Krasnokamensk. Miners "sniff" uranium. Miners get well - from 600 to 1200 rubles, depending on their specialty and class. Favorite entertainment of miners - FLY on a weekend from Krasnokamensk to Chita, drink beer ... Fly in the morning in the evening to fly in. The price of a ticket for the An-2 is 14 rubles. There and back - 28 rubles. 600 km.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 8 September 2021 15: 02
    -1
    State dating small and medium aviation in all countries

    And what are the dates? laughing
    1. Sergey1964
      Sergey1964 8 September 2021 16: 58
      0
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      And what are the dates?

      Instead, ask what dating method is used. I assumed above that it is radiocarbon.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 8 September 2021 15: 09
    -4
    The issue of regional aviation rests on the availability of paying passengers. The people in the regions are lazy and do not strive for anything. Including, it does not strive to make a normal profit, and, consequently, pay for flights at market prices, making this industry attractive for airlines.
    1. AC130 Ganship
      AC130 Ganship 8 September 2021 22: 26
      -1
      Narak,
      I agree with you only partially. Somewhere, maybe, the people are lazy (I know for sure that in Seliger. They have not been able to get tourism off their knees for 20 years already).
      But there are regions where there is simply and stupidly no work. Here they pay you 15-17 tr, and rejoice. And feed the children with this money. On TV, see the Masculine-Feminine. There are such programs - every other time: a village (collective farm), one plant / farm, 3 shops, a club, a reversible patch for a bus to the center of the district. Everything. In the sense of FSE
  • Berkut752
    Berkut752 8 September 2021 16: 45
    +1
    Specialists. and who controlled it at least once ????????????
    The distance covered by the An-2, 1200 km, the weight of the cargo is 1300 kg with full tanks of 1200 liters, the take-off distance is 350 m, the landing distance is 100 m. The lower wings are aluminum, 4 NUR ............
    Guess where it was applied?
    1. Berkut752
      Berkut752 8 September 2021 16: 59
      +1
      And also An - 2,12 local .................
  • lazy
    lazy 8 September 2021 18: 16
    +1
    in Alaska, the state buys planes or private traders? However, he is more interested in why at one time they crushed the SU80 project, which had already been brought to flight prototypes? Is there any connection here with the fact that one billionaire bought a Czech company, judging by the fact that l410 was bought even by the Ministry of Defense, the billionaire's connections in the government are good
    1. SSA
      SSA 8 September 2021 22: 42
      0
      The millionaire has nothing to do with it. In Soviet times, they flew on the L410 in aviation schools. Our MO simply does not have a choice, except for the proven L410 for years, there is nothing to teach the cadets, excuse me, not courses on driving a car, where I bought any mechanics and fired a clutch forward.
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 8 September 2021 22: 20
    0
    It would be nice for the author to learn a little Russian before writing. For example, a ski slide in the north of Moscow is called ".... TyagochevA", but the Novosibirsk airport is called TolmachevO. And there are a lot of such mistakes in the text. I didn't read further ...
  • SSA
    SSA 8 September 2021 22: 37
    0
    AN-2 is definitely outdated. It was unprofitable even in Soviet times. I remember local lines at the airport, if the salon was not dialed, there was no flight. The eater of fuel, and fuel for it, was not produced in the USSR at all. And to drag at a speed of 180 km / h with a TOTAL lack of comfort ... it's still a pleasure. Nooo ... with all due respect to Antonov, this plane is not applicable in modern realities.
    1. Alexfly
      Alexfly 10 September 2021 10: 58
      0
      Fuel was produced for it, just in the USSR, but in "young Russia" they refused to produce it, ditching the Small Aviation .. The AN-2 consumes 147 liters. carrying 12 people with luggage per hour ... Tell me another aeroplane, more economical ... please
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 8 September 2021 22: 37
    -1
    When the government of Canada in the 19th and 20th centuries was interested in developing the regions, it simply gave everyone 200 acres of land. Come and live. Is free. This is a good piece.
    And in Russia, the territory of which is larger than Canada, people say that the promised 1 hectare you get bogged down with until you collect all the certificates
    1. your1970
      your1970 9 September 2021 11: 39
      0
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      people tell

      To put it mildly, either they are lying or they wanted a problem area (unfortunately there are such - border crossings) for subsequent ships with neighbors and in order to knock the dough off them
  • zloybond
    zloybond 9 September 2021 08: 13
    0
    and they created problems for private aviation.
  • strannik4863
    strannik4863 9 September 2021 17: 00
    -1
    I support Shoigu's idea of ​​creating new cities in Siberia, but without using the heritage of R.E. Alekseev is indispensable there, we are talking about ekranoplanes. who do not care about airports in their modern sense, since these machines land both on water and on a football field and their carrying capacity is greater than that of aircraft, as well as economy
  • Kushka
    Kushka 9 September 2021 17: 11
    +1
    Quote: Letun
    Quote: Janerobot
    in the village there is nowhere to spend money, only to drink vodka, so the young people leave.
    therefore, salaries cannot be kept, especially since the work in the village is physically difficult

    Well, yes, in Moscow, you can spend on drugs, or shove a stripper into his panties, but in the village there is only vodka. Yeah.
    And why did "only vodka" not please you?
    "Man! Are you changing socks ?! -Only for vodka!"
    И
  • vavilon
    vavilon 9 September 2021 18: 30
    -1
    you need to revive the whole country, then everything will return that we lost and we lost many times more than we gained
  • Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
    Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev 10 September 2021 10: 10
    -1
    In the early 2000s, we barely managed to preserve the Russian military-industrial complex (MIC) from collapse. At that time, under the dictation of American advisers, the tax system was reformed in Russia. And most of the enterprises that successfully operated in Soviet times became unprofitable overnight. So the collapse of the country's economy began. Due to my career, I worked for many years in various positions in the military-industrial complex of the USSR and Russia. And for me there are no secrets in the economy, in technology and in almost all issues related to the creation of modern technology, both military and civil.
    I wrote to Putin, who had just come into power, that it was necessary to save the military-industrial complex from collapse. To do this, at least the defense industry must be exempted from VAT, since the products manufactured by the defense industry are purchased mainly by the state, and it turns out that the state imposes VAT on itself. Ultimately, the defense industry enterprises were exempted from VAT and made them profitable again. You know how the defense industry complex works and what kind of equipment it creates. The Americans wipe themselves off looking at our weapons.
    The same applies to small aircraft and the entire transport system of Russia as a whole. The importance of a developed system of communications was realized even in the days of the ancient Roman Empire, when already at that time roads were laid to each new province, which in some places are still preserved.
    For the successful social and economic development of Russia, first of all, it is necessary to quickly develop not only small aircraft, but also the entire transport system of the country. The example of the construction of the Crimean bridge clearly shows what a powerful impetus to the development of the regions the developed transport system of the country can give.
    First of all, it is necessary to exempt the transport and transport system of the country (at least in priority areas) not only from VAT, but also from other taxes and ensure the targeted use of income from transport in Russia. And now the management of Russian Railways spends billions on their salaries, the purchase of foreign legionnaires for the football club "Locomotive" and on other unnecessary expenses. The lack of tax revenues can be easily compensated by raising taxes and duties on energy exports abroad and introducing a progressive system for income tax and personal income tax.
    In Soviet times, hydroaviation developed successfully. For amphibious aircraft, airfields are not needed and they can do without the presence of any aviation infrastructure. And now this direction of aircraft construction remains very promising.
    In Russia, there are many different figures who receive millions of salaries, and there is no return on them, except for damage to the state. My opinion is that it is necessary to create an analytical organization of competent specialists (or reform the existing ones) and, with the help of the President of the Russian Federation and the country's leadership, force the current authorized statesmen to real positive socio-economic transformations in the country. I will gladly take part in the work of such an organization. Ask for advice, I will help if that.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 10 September 2021 10: 53
    0
    In the 90s, the Russian government, coupled with the Duma, issued an environmental decision to the mountain to prohibit the production of B-91 (due to the harmfulness of lead compounds ...), small aircraft stopped ... After all, they flew mainly on AN-2. In the regions it was possible to fly to any regional center in an hour or two, it took much more time by buses or transfer buses .. Now there are no roads either.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 10 September 2021 17: 59
    0
    Quote: Letun
    Quote: Janerobot
    villages and townships will always disappear. no salaries and work will keep people in the villages

    Oh sure! With salaries you can keep it. They went to the north for a long ruble in Soviet times, and now they will live in villages with good salaries and infrastructure (schools, hospitals). Not everyone likes life in Moscow.


    And who will pay big salaries in bear corners? And for what? Villages for the sake of villages?
    If the state subsidizes the interstellar corners by cutting spending on education, medicine, defense, law and order, only so that someone lives in the bearish corners, then this is not correct.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 September 2021 12: 46
      0
      You are asking some strange questions, but what about pride in having a new version of An-2? You would also ask what the last grandmothers are doing in these bear corners, and why children and grandchildren have not taken them to civilization yet.
  • DimonDV
    DimonDV 12 September 2021 13: 04
    0
    Dear author, where do you live? Minus I will slap you, do not be offended, I will slap like a resident of the Khabarovsk Territory (not Khabarovsk). The article is poliznaya, is it nice to lick the back of the power?
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 16 September 2021 12: 44
    0
    Let's say frankly that in the USSR the passenger paid only part of the cost, that is, the whole country paid for the luxury of flying somewhere. And I personally don’t want anybody’s flights to be paid for at my expense.

    everyone knows how it takes a long time to get to the conveyor in modern Russia.


    It goes without problems. But only as elsewhere, if there is a customer. If there were buyers not for 30 L-410, but for 300, so aircraft factories would have been in a hurry long ago.

    In addition, I do not see any need at all for airplanes, such as the L-410, since 500 km can be traveled by motor transport, the quality and availability of which has grown exponentially since Soviet times. As a child, I remember flying an L-410 from Kazan to Begishevo (Nizhnekamsk airport and Nab. Chelnov), in the 90s, in my opinion, still. Now such a journey of 300 kilometers will be faster by car, it does not matter, your own, or a taxi. It should not be forgotten that airports are always located outside cities, and you also need to get to them somehow, you may have to leave your car somewhere, and boarding the plane itself is a very formalized and lengthy process.

    The question of aviation starts from 500 km, when the factors of the physical ability to travel by car / bus are already beginning to influence. And if you don't get there in a day, then you need to spend the night somewhere, the plane may then be even cheaper.

    Well, aviation does not solve the problems of supplying remote cities, there must be a railway and a developed network of highways.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 16 September 2021 17: 37
    0
    It's not just about airplanes. But also in a completely feudal structure of the country: the capital sucks the regional centers, regional centers, regional, regional grassroots settlements. Of course, the intermediaries put their share of the tribute in the amount going down. For example, a certain regional center pays a million to Moscow. He will not pay out of his pocket - he will simply open up this million for regional centers, which will transfer it to small towns and villages. An unfair situation arises when babies pay for everyone who is higher - and get nothing in return. Therefore, it does not seem surprising why the village is so poor and why the internal lines are unprofitable - this is all due to the feudal principle of taxation, to a very serious extent. And there is a way to fix it - take a look at the Swedish communes. The town with the district (the same lower settlement) keeps all the collected taxes and spends on itself, including transport. And the communes are thriving. This is what I consider to be true federalism: the subjects are not just like oblasts and territories, but communes, they are all equal, the nominal capital only coordinates so that a joint policy is carried out. True, the dough is no longer particularly cut down here, some will have to very seriously moderate their appetite ... Therefore, the idea is impracticable.
  • rjpthju
    rjpthju 16 September 2021 18: 52
    0
    Again resuscitation ... Once again. The patient is probably already dead, with such resuscitators.
  • serfar
    serfar 17 September 2021 20: 45
    0
    It seems to me that in vain in the article everything comes down to opposing roads and small aircraft ... especially in the tundra and woodlands. I would like to remind you that there are other technical means for moving around unstable territories. It has long been known to all our "iksperdam" ekranoplanes, hovercraft and ... those decisions are innumerable to them. Why are cars and planes / helicopters always opposed? There are niche solutions, many times more cost-effective and with a good Soviet design basis. I will add, the most advanced for today.
    There are dozens of small design bureaus on this topic. They lack state attention. And people with ideas are there.