American edition: Instead of the F-35C, the US Navy could get a carrier-based stealth attack aircraft

The US Navy could have received a new carrier-based attack aircraft instead of the fifth-generation F-35C fighter, writes the author of an article for the American edition of Military Watch, but the program for the development of a new aircraft was not implemented.

The American Air Force at one time received the F-117 and B-2 aircraft, created according to the "flying wing" scheme. The US Navy could also adopt a carrier-based attack aircraft, created according to the same scheme, but the program was closed due to the high cost. Currently, the fleet receives deck-mounted F-35C and F-35B, which, in terms of their characteristics, do not reach the level of a promising attack aircraft.

The ATA (Advanced Tactical Aircraft) program was launched in 1983. Initially, the fleet wanted to get a multipurpose aircraft, but later it was decided to develop the A-12 Avenger carrier-based attack aircraft. As conceived by the military, this aircraft was supposed to enter the air wing of nuclear aircraft carriers with the task of striking ground targets at long distances.

The aircraft was designed according to the "flying wing" scheme with stealth elements. It was planned that the attack aircraft would be able to carry up to 2,3 tons of bomb and missile load at a range of up to 1,5 thousand kilometers. The first flight of the new aircraft was planned for 1991, and it was supposed to go into production no later than 1994-95. However, in 1991 the program was closed, as it was considered that the plane would be too expensive, its cost at that time was up to $ 90 million per plane.

Currently, the US Navy command regrets that the project was not implemented, since the F-18E Super Hornet carrier-based fighters in service cannot carry a large load and their range does not correspond to the tasks fleet... The newest F-35Cs introduced into the aircraft carrier's wing also fall short of the A-12 Avenger's performance.

According to the author, if the project of the attack aircraft were implemented and it would have been adopted, the US Navy could cause "much greater concern" for Moscow and Beijing, as well as Pyongyang and Tehran.

Comments

[OgnennyiKotik]

In the nineties, whole armies and navies were cut, not only in our country. A huge number of weapons programs were closed. Mega corporations from the military-industrial complex in the west went bankrupt. True, there is a nuance that distinguishes us, the released resources went to the civil sector and the welfare of the citizens of the countries increased.

[Flooding]

Initially, the fleet wanted a multipurpose aircraft, but later it was decided to develop the A-12 Avenger carrier-based attack aircraft.

And what do we know about the requirements for a promising attack aircraft, its fundamental differences from the attack aircraft of the previous generation, constructively and including in combat use?
there is an opinion that, in fact, the attack aircraft is now performing the tasks of a front-line bomber.
the picture in the article confirms this to some extent

[OgnennyiKotik]

Stormtrooper is a conventional name. Naturally, the A-12 would be a long-range bomber. Like the F-117, which had nothing to do with a fighter, although the letter F says that it is a Fighter.
How would the A-12 look like on the X-47B

[Flooding]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Naturally, the A-12 would be a long-range bomber. Like the F-117, which had nothing to do with the fighter, although the letter F says that he is a Fighter

like the Russian press flashed a few years ago information about the possible development of a new attack aircraft.
don't remember?
apparently, they decided that it was hopeless.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Classic stormtroopers are a dead class. Still glimmering in light anti-guerrilla type Super Tucano. Now the saturation of the portable air defense forces is enormous and guided weapons have been greatly developed. There is not the slightest sense to approach the target closer than 5-10 km. And this can be done by any non-armored aircraft.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Classic stormtroopers are a dead class. ... Now the saturation of the portable air defense forces is enormous and guided weapons have been greatly developed. There is not the slightest sense to approach the target closer than 5-10 km.

This is an erroneous opinion, it is not a matter of saturation of air defense systems, but of the emergence of new types of forces and means with some new TTV and as a consequence: "the development of new tactics and combat strategies that are more effective from a military-economic point of view."

1) For example, the appearance of helicopters and combat techniques based on working out the average terrain
2) For example, the emergence of assault helicopters and combat techniques based on the development of small terrain (approximately equal to the height of the forest)
3) For example, the emergence of transport helicopters and methods of their use in conjunction with infantry-portable and / or carried on light vehicles weapons (and not necessarily controlled, often the usual is suitable). That is, when the "classic DRG" is enhanced by turning into "aero-mobile units".

[hrych]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The A-12 would be a long-range bomber. Like the F-117

A bomber, but not a distant one, of course. Closer to the frontline. In general, this RF adheres to specialization. Fighter-interceptor, fighter-bomber, front-line bomber, attack aircraft. And the Americans crammed it all into the universal formula of a fighter-bomber. The result is a medium fighter, a medium bomber, and a lousy attack aircraft. One that's invisible ... to the auditors of Congress. However, American strategists began to guess something. Thunderbolt was postponed to write off and the wonderful Eagle was again decided to produce.
Almost off topic. Unverified information that Masudika was shot by Saleh's guard.

[Region-25.rus]

True, there is a nuance that distinguishes us, the released resources went to the civil sector and the welfare of the citizens of the countries increased.

and how many domestically produced goods do we see on the shelves? Kiselev listened to?

[kot423]

Quote: Region-25.rus

and how many domestically produced goods do we see on the shelves?

Don't juggle. There is such a concept - world trade. How many domestically produced goods do you see in the mattress? Stubs / MacBooks - collected in China, rare earth materials for the publicized Silicon Valley - from the same place. Detroit is dead, on the verge of a ghost town, cars from Japan / Korea / EU are an order of magnitude more sold than mattress cars. And you can go on and on.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: kot423

Stubs / MacBooks - collected in China, rare earth materials for the publicized Silicon Valley - from the same place. Detroit is dead, on the verge of a ghost town, cars from Japan / Korea / EU are an order of magnitude more sold than mattress cars. And you can go on and on.

Now he will answer you in terms of: "But they make rockets and blocked the Panama Canal. And in the field of hip-hop they are ahead of the rest."

[kot423]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Now he will answer you in terms of

Credit!

[Region-25.rus]

Now he will answer you in terms of: "But they make rockets and blocked the Panama Canal. And in the field of hip-hop they are ahead of the rest."

well, a commentary in the style of a modern schoolboy - "to invent it yourself, to assign it to the opponent yourself, to neigh yourself, and then walk with a proud look." What can you say ...

[Region-25.rus]

Now he will answer you in terms of:

not worth judging by itself.

[Region-25.rus]

How many domestically produced goods do you see in the mattress?

Only the technologies used to collect goods in China, whose? Architecture of processors, chips, etc.? Chinese? Aha..shchaz-z-z.

Detroit is dead

How many city-forming enterprises do we have in the course at all?
And the fact that the United States moved its enterprises to a place where labor was once cheaper, now it bites its elbows like BE.

[kot423]

Quote: Region-25.rus

Only the technologies used to collect goods in China, whose? Architecture of processors, chips, etc.?

I see you, a lover of white - talking black ... I absolutely do not care whose technologies and how they ended up in China. Are these your words?

Quote: Region-25.rus

How many domestically produced goods do we see on the shelves?

They answered you:

Quote: kot423

Stubs / MacBooks - collected in China, rare earth materials for the publicized Silicon Valley - from the same place.

Not satisfied with the answer? Drink valerian.
That Boeing, etc. will do without our titanium? To sculpt airplanes from paper media of technology? Google the scandal with the mattress military industry, when the made in usa was glued to the Chinese chips. More examples? Google to the rescue.

[Pavel57]

The main concern is that Moscow has no concern.

[bar]

Currently, the fleet receives deck-mounted F-35C and F-35B, which, in terms of their characteristics, do not reach the level of a promising attack aircraft.

The main thing is that the price falls short.

Currently, the US Navy command regrets that the project was not implemented.

But Lockheed does not regret, as well as those lawmakers with whom he shared kickbacks from the saw.

if the attack aircraft project were implemented and it was adopted, the US Navy could cause "much greater concern" for Moscow and Beijing, as well as Pyongyang and Tehran.

If only, if only, but a vigorous cow ...

[Rumata Estorsky]

Is the F-117 a flying wing?

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Rumata Estorsky

Is the F-117 a flying wing?

how hard it is to be god ...
Yes. Is an

[ja-ja-vw]

Even with a hangover, I can't imagine such a threshing floor with such characteristics on the deck of an aircraft carrier

The aircraft, which had not yet flown, did not meet the technical requirements: it was heavier and production was more difficult than anticipated. After seven years of research and development and about $ 5 billion in expenditure, the ATA / A-12 Avenger program has been halted ...

I have the impression that it will be blown away by the wind now

[BABAY22]

1983 year. Estimated cockpit:

PFAR radar comparable to the F-16. Two-channel OLS.
Reservations are comparable to A-10.
Less space on deck than the F-14 or A-6.
But it turned out terribly expensive.

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: BABAY22

1983 year. Estimated cockpit:

Cockpit MDC F / A-18E. Model E /

not a single cabin. \

Quote: BABAY22

PFAR radar comparable to the F-16.

Are you confusing something
AN / APG-66 -slot AN / APG-68 also PESA
APQ-164 is PFAR, but it was installed on B1-B
Only began to put APG-83 SABR on the F-16V (well, on the rest of the block 52)
turning on the radar, even the "PFAR" this trough turns into a good target. And of course there was no "echo from side lobes" mode in 1983 and could not be

Quote: BABAY22

Reservations are comparable to A-10.
Less space on deck than the F-14 or A-6.

what kind of reservation can the "unrecognized" have?
so he was so and according to the TZ was: 2a aircraft on a catapult. And comparing it with the F-14 is offending all the cats of the planet. This flying turd is not worth a tomket in terms of shock capabilities and bomb load.
So I imagine the A-12 as an "AIM-54 Phoenix carrier"

[BABAY22]

For what he took, for what he sold:
https://topwar.ru/25478-shturmovik-a-12-avenger-ii-sem-s-polovinoy-milliardov-za-proval.html

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: BABAY22

For what he took, for what he sold:

Ryabov Kirill?

be careful there
The Supreme Court of Russia, in its recent review of judicial practice, has clarified the circumstances under which a person can be held criminally liable for disseminating false information. The fundamental point: a person must be aware that he is posting a fake... At the same time, the article includes the distribution of false information through instant messengers:

Posting by a person on the network, in particular, on his page or on the page of other users of material containing false information, created by himself or another person (including the so-called repost), can be qualified under Article 207.1 or 207.2 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation only in cases when it is established that the person acted with direct intent, was aware that the information he posted under the guise of reliable information was false, and had the purpose of bringing this information to the attention of other persons

- explained the Supreme Court of Russia.
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jester of course

[Revival]

And here we at full speed fall into the "wall" of the question, who and how defines "cases when it was established that a person acted with direct intent, was aware that the information posted by him under the guise of reliable information was false, and had the goal of bringing this information to the information of other persons ".

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Revival

into the "wall" of the question

The law is that tongue.
100% help therefore the question is given here:

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do not worry you. I was kidding.

[DrRey]

Since when was the f-117 made according to the flying wing scheme?

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: DrRey

Since when was the f-117 made according to the flying wing scheme?

Lockheed companies built the first modern production aircraft on the basis of the experimental Have Blue prototype made in 1977-1978. with flying wing pattern and stealth technology - the F-117 Nighthawk strike fighter, which began flying in 1981 ..
Have Blue (F-117) and a flying wing design.
Not to be confused with Tacit Blue

[Maks1995]

IMHO, just someone wants to confuse everything.
No wonder the article is unsigned.

F35 is primarily a bomber jacket. Arrived, fired rockets, escaped. Small, single-engine stealth bomber. Not particularly adapted not to chase aircraft, nor to storm positions.

And the attack aircraft - it is, by definition, armored, poor range and load ... And what the hell is he at sea? Head-on to storm ships or positions?

[Artemion3]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

In the nineties, whole armies and navies were cut, not only in our country. A huge number of weapons programs were closed. Mega corporations from the military-industrial complex in the west went bankrupt. True, there is a nuance that distinguishes us, the released resources went to the civil sector and the welfare of the citizens of the countries increased.

In the 90s, the Americans started mega adventures in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. The US military budget did not decrease, but began to grow in order to provide the army and navy with equipment and is growing to this day.

[Artemion3]

Never mind, mattresses will make the next step an unmanned deck boat comparable in power to the f-18, wangui.

[Sotnikoff]

We have "Daggers" there is also a "hospoda" .. How do you like that?

[Runner2022]

This photo is a postscript to what American technology is, Stealth,

[Sotnikoff]

Quote: Runner2022

This photo is a postscript to what American technology is, Stealth,

I, too, always remember when the Amers and their adherents start to brag about their technology and other things and their exclusivity ..
They still have a lot of surprises to see and feel ..!
This is how we live our bread.

[askort154]

However, in 1991 the program was closed, as it was considered that the plane would be too expensive, its cost at that time was up to $ 90 million per plane.

It's not that you counted - "too expensive" (the machine worked). The fact is that the USSR did not become, and you did not need it at that time.

[Bogatyrev]

Quote: kot423

How many domestically produced goods do you see in the mattress?

What do Americans generally produce?
They still have a very powerful industry, and this is not a fake.
Medical equipment, instruments, the military sector is completely localized, scientific equipment, space, satellites, mainframes, lasers - they actually have a very high technology and developed material sector.

[bk0010]

The states were lucky they took the F-35C, not this ... The A-12 is a dead end, IMHO, of course: it takes up a lot of space on the ship, subsonic, with a small payload.

[Ros 56]

Seriously ?, and what didn't you get? The battle of capitalist spiders in the bank has not been canceled, such is the la vie.

[voyaka uh]

It is even better to immediately launch the strategist from an aircraft carrier.
Then you can hammer the enemy right from the middle of the ocean.
Just questions: will a bomber take off from an aircraft carrier? How many bombers will fit on an aircraft carrier?
How much will it all cost?

[Tuzik]

If they really want to blind one special purpose avik, Tokyo was bombed with bombers

[Ponchik78]

A-12))) Is it on which the Pentagon unfastened 7.5 lard, and at the exit got two wooden models?

[Zaurbek]

F35 is the main and universal aircraft ... as a separate type, such a striker could have been used, but not as a fighter. and As the main aircraft of the Air Force, the same is not.