Knights of the Hundred Years War: First Uniform

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"Battle of Thirty in 1351". Octave Pengyi L'Haridon (1811-1872). 1857 The battle, which eventually became legendary, which took place on March 27, 1351, and entered all the annals of the Hundred Years War, is depicted. And it so happened that the captain of the castle, Sir Richard Bamborough, agreed with the captain of the castle Josselin Robert de Bomanoir about a duel "at the Mi-Voy oak between Josselin and Ploermel near the broom field." We decided that each side can put up to 30 fighters. On the English side, there were only seven Englishmen - Hugh Calvely, Robert Knolles, Thomas Walton and Richard de la Land, Esq. John Pessington, as well as the men at arms Dagworth and John Russell, and all the others turned out to be mercenaries from Flanders, German lands and other places. The French fought nine knights and 21 squires. The first part of the battle ended like this: the British killed two people, including Richard Bamborough, and the French four. Having rested, the warriors continued the battle. And here the French knight Guillaume de Montauban, getting out of the battle, jumped on his horse and rushed at the British, who huddled together in a tight heap, and so successfully that he knocked seven of them to the ground. The other French decided to take advantage of the situation and ended up killing nine more Englishmen, while the rest were taken prisoner. Jean Froissard later wrote that “the warriors on both sides behaved as valiantly as if they were all Rolands and Oliviers". Well, apart from de Montauban, of course!

When did the first elements of the uniform appear? You can argue for a long time, but the fact that they began to be used in large quantities during the Hundred Years War is undoubtedly.
"Nearly all were dressed in Sir Daniel's colors — dark red and blue — and that gave them a smart look. Those who were better armed were lined up in front, and behind everyone, at the end of the column, were the pitiful reinforcements that had arrived the night before."
Black Arrow by Robert Louis Stevenson


Military story countries and peoples. The knights faced the problem of identification back in the era of the Crusades, when there were a lot of them, and they were all armed and dressed about the same. At that time, identification by nationality was of great importance, since knights from different countries of Europe took part in the campaigns, and they all looked approximately the same, approximately as shown in the miniature from Gerrada Landsberg's manuscript "Gortus Deliciarum" in 1195.



Knights of the Hundred Years War: First Uniform
Knights of the XII century. Miniature from Gerrada Landsberg's manuscript "Gortus Deliciarum". 1195 Alsatian Library of the Bank Credit Mutuelle, Strasbourg, France

But only after the first two campaigns, starting in 1189, the red cross became exclusively a sign of the French, the British began to use the white cross, the Germans chose the traditionally black one, the Italians - the yellow cross, but the Belgians - the green cross. But this only concerned the emblems sewn on clothes. In general, the system of identifying knights on the battlefield at the beginning of the Hundred Years War remained traditionally feudal. That is, it was a coat of arms on a shield, a coat of arms (or coats of arms) on a horse blanket and decorations on a helmet corresponding to the coat of arms.


"Battle of the Thirty" (1351). Miniature from "Collection of Chronicles from the History of Brittany" by Pierre le Bou, 1480 National Library of France, Paris

But the retinue of the feudal lord has already begun to gradually dress in something uniform in cut and color. And since he came to war surrounded by servants, then ... a new problem arose: how to distinguish his servants from strangers? Green, blue, red and blue short jackets-jupons have become the mass clothing of the "auxiliary contingents", not to mention the mercenaries, well, let's say, all the same crossbowmen from Genoa.

Therefore, before the battle, it was necessary to strengthen bundles of straw on helmets, to wind bandages of white fabric, which did not at all harmonize with the wealth of the same knightly clothes, and the knight's servants too.


Battle of Agincourt. Thumbnail from The Chronicles of St Albans by Thomas Walsingham. XV century Lambeth Palace Library, London / Bridgeman Art Library

And then, as the art of war developed, the role of the infantry began to grow, and they also needed their own means of identification. And how was it possible to recognize the French supporters of the British, from the French supporters ... the French? Jean Count d'Armagnac solved this question very simply. He ordered all his nobles, as well as simple supporters, and servants to wear straight white crosses on their clothes. The white cross, as a symbol of France, has been mentioned since the XIV century. It was also worn by the French royalists who fought with bourguignons in 1414. In the middle of the XNUMXth century, it began to be used more and more often. So over time, it became a kind of counterweight to the red crosses of the British and the black crosses of the Bretons.

Thus, the issue of identification was solved very simply. When a white cross of any size was sewn onto a blue, red, or even tailored jacket, it was clear that in front of you was a Frenchman. If on the contrary - exactly the same cross was made of red fabric, then - an Englishman.


The Battle of Montiel, 1369, between the Franco-Castilian troops supporting Henry II and the army of the ruling Pedro of Castile, in which he died. "Chronicle ..." by Jean Froissard, 1470 National Library of France, Paris

Burgundians were distinguished by an oblique red cross. The latter has been used on standards in the armies of the Dukes of Burgundy since the time of Jean Sans Pera (1371-1419). And then, already in the Civil War between Armagnacs and Burgundians, where the fighters also had to face the English and French crosses, it came in handy, since it was completely unlike a straight cross, and there were no problems with its recognition. The use of the oblique cross (the cross of St. Andrew) was recognized by the Treaty of Arras in 1435 and spread throughout the Burgundian state.


A battle between the British and the Amiens. The latter are in blue jackets with red crosses. "Chronicle ..." by Jean Froissard, 1470 National Library of France, Paris

In 1370, the coat of arms of France itself changed, on which the number of lilies - the old emblem of the French royal house - was reduced to only three. Before that, lilies were literally strewn with a knight's shield or banner.

Another very important emblem for identification was the oriflamma - the monochromatic flag of France, consecrated by a long tradition, in a blood-red color. Together with other royal banners, it was kept in the Reims Cathedral and was taken out of it only when it was necessary to protect the kingdom, or to protect the Christian faith.


Battle of Neville Cross. It happened during the Second War of Independence of Scotland on October 17, 1346, 800 m west of Durham, in England. The Scottish army of 12, led by King David II, was defeated by an English army of approximately 000–6, led by Ralph Neville, Lord Neville. The battle was named after the Anglo-Saxon stone cross that stood on the hill where the Scots were stationed. "Chronicle ..." by Jean Froissard, 000 National Library of France, Paris

On the French side, the means of identification on the battlefield included 4200 banners made of black cloth, with the word Justice embroidered in silver or gold letters. Dauphin Karl in 1411, during the war with the Duke of Burgundy, presented such banners to the commanders of his detachments. However, the matter was by no means exhausted by them. It is known that in the army of the Dauphin there was, for example, a flag with the image of a dolphin, and flags with the image of saints: St. Michael, in full knightly armor killing the serpent, and St. Michael - also fully armed and with a drawn sword in his hand.

The British had their characteristic long-tailed standards, and each of them had a white rectangle with a red cross of St. Georg. In addition, the royal banner was used: a red-blue cloth divided into four fields in pairs, with three golden leopards in red fields and golden lilies (a hint of the English French throne!) In blue.


English standards of the 1th century: 1415 - King Henry V from 2; 1440 - Lord Robert Willoughby from 3; 1470 - Ser Robert Wallace from 4; 1460 - Count Edmund Roos from 5; 1474 - Ser Ralph Hastings from 6; XNUMX - Ser Meister Guildford

It was during the years of the Hundred Years War that something like a uniform uniform began to emerge, which, for example, was introduced at the royal court and among large feudal lords, where they began to use clothes of certain colors and styles in order to distinguish individual groups of servants or courtiers. Thus, sergeants at arms during the reign of Charles V often wore blue and black clothes. In 1382 Charles VI decided to develop a "feeling of sympathy" among his supporters, and came up with that every member of the King's Company, from himself to the lowest servant, and even women, wear special costumes and use only certain colors for clothing. and emblems. Moreover, only the king and his advisers could decide at what point these costumes could be changed.


Joan of Arc at the siege of Paris (1429). Miniature from "Vigilius on the Death of King Charles VII". Around 1483 National Library of France, Paris

Moreover, most of the emblems for them reflected the current political situation of that day. So, one of the emblems was the winged deer, which Charles VI used until 1388, and the broom, the symbol of the "Marmousette" group (marmousette - a figurine, a man), which appeared at the end of his reign, and then inherited by Charles VII. Emblems for low-ranking courtiers were made of simple metals, but emblems for the highest nobility were real works of art and were made of silver or gold, covered with enamel. Usually they were sewn onto clothes in such a way that they were visible. Such is not too cheap a sign of loyalty to a crowned person.


Battle of Agincourt. Miniature from "Vigilius on the Death of King Charles VII". Around 1483 National Library of France, Paris

But special emblems to demonstrate their devotion or loyalty were used not only at court, but also townspeople, merchants, artisans, just burghers, when they wanted to emphasize their attitude to some political group or a popular idea. For example, in 1375 in Paris, many wore hoods of red and blue fabric as a sign of solidarity with the city politician Etienne Marcel. In 1411, all members of the Parisian group, which bore the name of the Caboschiens, wore blue caps on their heads, and two years later, their opponents were distinguished by their white caps. Those who were sympathetic to the bourguignon had cornet hats, which they wore, twisting them to the right, while the Armagnacs littered them to the left.


Capture of Charles of Blues, Duke of Breton, at the Battle of La Roche-Derienne. "Chronicle ..." by Jean Froissard, 1470 National Library of France, Paris

Well, the monotonous clothes were also a kind of uniform. After all, the same jackets-jackets, brigandines and jupons were bought in bulk, and therefore, for greater cheapness, they were sewn from the same fabric, which they also bought thousands of yards. Therefore, some had archers in white jackets, so that all they had to do was sew a red cross on them, and for some, white jackets were simply contraindicated, because they had to sew a white cross on it. And it is clear that the suppliers of clothing for the royal army of France chose either blue or red, in a word - any color on which a white cross would look distinct.
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  1. +5
    13 September 2021 04: 33
    Thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    At the beginning of the article, the phrase attracted attention.
    But only after the first two campaigns, starting in 1189, the red cross became exclusively a sign of the French, the British began to use the white cross,

    Maybe a turn? The white cross is the symbol of France, the red one is the British.
    Regards, Vlad!
    1. +8
      13 September 2021 05: 38
      No, just like that! At first it was like this. Changed later! The article is about this.
      1. +8
        13 September 2021 05: 47
        Quote: kalibr
        No, just like that! At first it was like this. Changed later! The article is about this.

        Vyacheslav Olegovich - this surprised me! I'll know.
        1. +9
          13 September 2021 05: 49
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          this surprised!

          And me! But this is not a mistake. Remember those same Templars. The cross is red, and they were mostly French.
          1. +9
            13 September 2021 06: 09

            Lorraine white cross on the fuselage of the Yak of the Normandie-Niemen regiment. Stars, crosses and lightning bolts on a Soviet plane look futuristic!
      2. +7
        13 September 2021 06: 48
        With such bright and clear illustrations, it was not necessary to be literate at that time!
        Which, in principle, was present.
        Thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        1. +11
          13 September 2021 11: 09
          With such bright and clear illustrations, it was not necessary to be literate at that time!
          I'll tell you more - and in our time, too, it becomes unnecessary! Take me - for all my illiteracy, looking at the pictures, I have already begun to guess what the article is about. Thanks to the author for not only an interesting, but also a beautifully illustrated text!
      3. ANB
        +4
        13 September 2021 08: 24
        ... Changed later! The article is about this.

        I carefully read the article and did not find when they changed. And the same question arose.
        1. +6
          13 September 2021 08: 30
          Quote: ANB
          And the same question arose.

          Like this! But I wanted to write ... I kept it in my head. But ... apparently distracted. And then he decided that he had written. It happens...
          1. +7
            13 September 2021 14: 04
            Like this! But I wanted to write ... I kept it in my head. But ... apparently distracted. And then he decided that he had written. It happens...

            You know, Vyacheslav Olegovich, this seems to be a normal phenomenon ... what
            Now I am rereading our venerable historian Pavlenko - about the unfortunate Tsar Peter III.

            You know my interest in Pavel Petrovich, but in order to understand him, you must definitely know about my dear papa. hi
            So ... in the book there are a number of exactly that slips! For example, in the scene of the liberation of the prisoners of the Prussians, they are named "Swedes", etc. Or unnecessary repetitions. Apparently, Nikolai Ivanovich wrote quickly, emotionally, enthusiastically, so he did not notice! request
            But these are trifles in comparison with his merits. good He is, nevertheless, one of the leading historians of the 18th century. And the book is - yes, fascinating, reads quickly, and gives an overall vivid picture of this "misunderstanding on the throne." Yes
            1. +4
              13 September 2021 16: 38
              I always have the text of an article and a book "running" in my head ahead of the written text. On the one hand, this is good - take it in paragraphs and print without thinking about anything, everything has already been discussed "in foam". On the other hand, it’s bad ... sometimes it’s too lazy to write, it’s uninteresting - “everything has already been written” and these are such petty annoying blunders.
              1. +1
                13 September 2021 22: 57
                I support! I know this phenomenon. For example, I read an article, and a comment is instantly lined up about a paragraph - as Vyacheslav Olegovich says, the text "runs" in my head ahead of the print. But while you are browsing to the window, part of the idea has already evaporated in separate fragments, something is remembered, something is not. And after the comment has been sent, it becomes clear that "I missed this!" Well, you can fix it. And then...
                And then, when it is no longer possible to correct, the most missed "tasty treat" comes to mind.
                And the thought torments: "What a muddler!"
                It is easier for a writer if he is in no hurry. And even useful if you don't need to rush. After some time, the material "reaches" in the head to the condition, and you can draw up the correct version. And if a publicist? It means haste, it means that the subsequent annoyance must arise due to the fact that something necessary has been missed, there are contradictions, and you are blamed for this.
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  2. +9
    13 September 2021 04: 50
    First uniform?
    Perhaps this is to ancient Hellas.
    Spartan hoplites wore red cloaks. They distinguished each other by their shields. Although the path was also thorny. At least one fact is that it is known to paint over images on gits with white paint. Only in the classical period are the "limbs" and "alphas" known to us fixed!
    1. +7
      13 September 2021 11: 22
      First uniform?
      Perhaps this is to ancient Hellas.
      I don’t know .. After all, later, in my opinion, then the uniform as such for identifying the enemy on the principle of "friend" - "alien" was not needed, there were not many people, as in street fights - everyone knows where are ours, where are strangers. It's good in Sapkowski's "Tower of Jesters" about this:
      - What are you so silent? - Zawisha asked unexpectedly. “We’ve been on our way already, and during all this time you have dropped a dozen words, no more. And then when the tongue was pulled. Are you sulking at me? Because of Grunwald, or what? You know, boy, I can't assure you that there was no way I could have killed your father. Of course, I could say that he and I could not meet in battle, since the Krakow banner was located in the center of the line of the Polish-Lithuanian troops, and the banner of Konrad Bely was on the left wing of the crusaders, right behind Stembork. But I won't tell you, because that would be a lie. Then, on the day of the Calling of the Apostles, I killed a multitude of people. In the general turmoil and devilish whirlwind, in which little was visible, for it was a battle. That's all.
      - Father, - Reynevan cleared his throat, - wore on the shield ...

      “I don’t remember the coats of arms,” the Sulimets interrupted sharply and rudely. - In the general battle, they mean nothing to me. It is important which side the horse's muzzle is facing. If in the opposite face of mine, then I chop, even if there is the Mother of God herself on his coat of arms. However, when the blood sticks to the dust, and the dust sticks to the blood, you still don't see shit on the shields.
    2. +6
      13 September 2021 15: 54
      They distinguished each other by their shields.

      Judging by modern illustrations, the Sacred detachment of three hundred Theban war homosexuals also had their own emblem on their shields. laughing drinks
      1. +5
        13 September 2021 17: 00
        a detachment of three hundred Theban fighting homosexuals also had their own emblem on their shields.
        This one wassat ?
        1. +3
          13 September 2021 17: 04
          This one

          I don't think they had invented it yet, and there was an image of an amphora with some kind of "folk remedy". laughing I honestly don't know what they used there ... No. drinks
      2. +4
        13 September 2021 18: 10
        Mace of Hercules.
        1. +2
          14 September 2021 12: 42
          Mace of Hercules.

          Exactly. They swore at the grave of Iolaus ... what
  3. +11
    13 September 2021 05: 23
    Good morning and thanks to Vyacheslav! hi

    Yes, the people there did not philosophize slyly, they put on multi-colored crosses and full speed ahead, cut each other. I was very amused by the name of the servants' clothes - "jackets-jupons", which immediately reminded me of a textbook Little Russian zhupan. laughing Legs grow not from there? (joke, if that)))

    But seriously, I liked the article very much, and the miniatures were delighted! good
    The uncle from the Chronicles of St. Albans smiled and made me especially happy. smile



    Somehow he looks forward thoughtfully and calmly, as if pondering who else could be slaughtered mulberry. laughing
    1. +5
      13 September 2021 05: 41
      And you look at what a wonderful salade helmet lies next to him. Reinforced forehead, straps ... everything is shown.
      1. +5
        13 September 2021 07: 01
        Quote: kalibr
        And you look at what a wonderful salade helmet lies next to him. Reinforced forehead, straps ... everything is shown.

        but on the other hand, what is it lying there? next to a wounded warrior? hi
        1. +6
          13 September 2021 07: 30
          Nothing but a plate glove comes to mind. request
      2. +7
        13 September 2021 07: 58
        Vyacheslav Olegovich! Forgive me for not addressing the topic, but it happened ... I needed infa on the hammerless flint locks, but I did not find it anywhere ... Not in my "archive", nor in the internet ... Although, somehow I downloaded your a note on these "products" ... (there were 2 types of such locks ...) Could you tell me where you can find it?
        1. +7
          13 September 2021 08: 37
          Here is the book you are interested in:

          And here is the page you are interested in from it:

          That's all I have.
          1. +5
            13 September 2021 10: 47
            Thank you ! Now I have "information for thought" ... I will try to write for myself an "opus" about "unconventional" weapon locks of the 16-18 centuries period ... and "unconventional" methods of igniting a powder charge in hand-held firearms of about the same period ... There is not enough real information, but there is infa from fantasy stories about the "hitmen" ... wink (But you can also make a "not uninteresting" article on the topic of how fantasy writers imagine the manufacture of weapons with "elements of modern innovations" by the "hitmen" in the past centuries! winked )
            1. +3
              13 September 2021 11: 25
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              (But you can also make a "not uninteresting" article on the topic of how fantasy writers imagine the manufacture of weapons with "elements of modern innovations" by the "hitmen" in the past centuries!

              I already thought about it. I have a novel about the accidents, "God the Creator". 2 parts have been written - the third is not yet available. And there it will be about weapons ... in the world of the future and with a specific fuse. While there are two books - you can read on the author.tudey. Soon there will be a third ...
    2. +6
      13 September 2021 06: 16
      Quote: Sea Cat
      I was very amused by the name of the servants' clothes - "jackets-jupons", which immediately reminded me of a textbook Little Russian zhupan. Legs grow not from there? (joke, if that)))

      Greetings Konstantin! We are all “Europeans” and “not so much” we draw from one piggy bank of the “Indo-European proto-language”!
      Indeed, only with the adoption of Christianity does the name "John" begin to spread, but look how far from the canonical: Russian - Ivan, Slovenian - Ivanko, Polish and Czech - Jan, English - John and Spanish - Juan (Jean).
      1. +7
        13 September 2021 06: 28
        Good morning Vladislav! smile
        The name John, of Hebrew origin, and, therefore, all derivatives from it to Europe have an indirect relationship. And in general, if you start to delve into all this, then the devil knows what you will get to the bottom of, I, at one time, was very surprised when I learned that the textbook swearing words that we use have about the same relation to the Russian language as the word football. request
        1. +7
          13 September 2021 11: 47
          Quote: Sea Cat
          the textbook swearing words that we use have about the same relation to the Russian language as the word football.

          Uncle Kostya, greetings.
          There are many versions about swearing, but with the discovery of several birch bark letters in the layers of the pre-Mongol time with outright swearing, the version about the non-Slavic origin of this phenomenon, as it were, disappeared.
          The main version, in any case, the most reasonable, in my opinion, is the one according to which swearing came from ritual pagan incantations associated with calling the spirits of ancestors for help in difficult life situations or other important moments. smile And only with the advent of Christianity these words were marginalized, before that they did not carry any negative connotations.
          So this is ours, dear, from the very, very depths of centuries. smile
          1. +6
            13 September 2021 12: 03
            Good morning, Michael! hi
            So this is ours, dear, from the very, very depths of centuries. smile

            Honestly, it's nice to hear, but it was always somehow offensive. In the early seventies, one gray-haired lady with scientific degrees told me about the Turkic origin of obscene words in the early seventies at UDN's Eastfield, I had no reason not to believe her, especially, according to rumors at the faculty, she defended her dissertation on this topic. So trust them, professors, after that. laughing
            1. +6
              13 September 2021 12: 29
              Well, in the early 70s, those letters were not found yet. The first one, with the words "you called my cow and the docere bledeyu", was found in the early 80s. and is dated 1200-1220.
              Later, earlier (XII century) letters were also found with obscene content. All this is Novgorod and Staraya Rusa.
              1. +6
                13 September 2021 12: 34
                So it seems that even at the end of the 19th century this word with the letter "Be" was quite used and was not considered abusive, or is it wrong?
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                  1. +5
                    13 September 2021 13: 32
                    Great, Misha! It's a pity they'll be blacked out, but this is life, the history of our language. Interestingly, if you write an article in the same clear text with links and photos, will they really not miss it? After all, the insanity is complete! After all, we do not even really know how to swear, they will take three well-known words, and they incline them no matter how they hit, but there was a famous "Oath of Peter the Great", and I didn't even hear it, where everything went, some kind of spiritual impoverishment, and it began with the TV, and now, in general, the edge, we grow dumb with "tik-tok" and Skabeev's nightingales. The country disappears. wassat
                    1. +5
                      13 September 2021 14: 08
                      I was substantively interested in this topic several years ago, which is why I find materials so easily now. smile
                      But I don't want to write such an article. After all, obscene vocabulary for me is a too strict topic and I don't want to popularize it among the general population.
                      I remember, when my children were still young, I started to swear "bezmatelno". Interesting, I would say, occupation. For some people, my swearing led to cognitive dissonance. laughing
                      Saying in the right situation and with the right emotions and intonations, a phrase like "your tuda to the left in three stars through a rocker to pound a hundred times on a platter" or something like that, made an amazing impression on people. Well, in fact, as they say, it "relieved my soul." From the heels of such turns in memory to fix, so that they themselves jump out on occasion and you can do without a mat at all. Sometimes even now, in difficult moments of life, something like this breaks out, although lately it is less and less frequent.
                      Mat is certainly a part of our culture, but I am of the opinion that as they were sacred words, they should remain so. You cannot let them out or they will lose their meaning and purpose. And without them it will be hard. smile
                      In general, I put forward the slogan:
                      Take care of the Russian mat! Don't waste it on trifles!
                      1. +5
                        13 September 2021 15: 29
                        These troubles are from a lack of education and general culture, so a person is trying to explain something to you, or just tell you about something, but he cannot, he has an obscene word as a bundle for words in a sentence, and deprives him of the opportunity to insert this "bundle" , he will not be able to explain anything to you, he will push like with constipation, bleat like a ram, but he will not be able to give anything intelligible. I've met such people. And then, it is still a habit. smile
                      2. +4
                        13 September 2021 17: 04
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I've met such people.

                        Who has not met them? This is due to poor vocabulary. Instead of the necessary word, the obscene word is used as a universal euphemism, the true meaning of which in each specific case can be guessed only from the context. Most often, this is enough to express simple thoughts (and many do not need more).
                        What's the famous phrase?
                        Glocky kuzdra shteko kudlanula bokr and kuzdra bokryonka

                        I don’t know how anyone, but I feel sorry for the bokrenka. smile
                        With an increase in the general cultural level of a person, the need for euphemisms disappears and obscene words remain in the active vocabulary only to enhance the emotional component of speech, and the higher the basic level of knowledge of the Russian language, the less often this person resorts to swearing, because the stock of literary words allows you to express more and more complex and intense emotions.
                        Personally, I accept mate if it is used either in an overtly stressful situation or for humorous purposes. smile For good humor, I can forgive any mat. smile
                        Teaching people to swear correctly, explaining the true meanings of certain expressions, is not a horse's forage, in my opinion. request
                      3. +2
                        13 September 2021 17: 21
                        Instead of the necessary word, the obscene word is used as a universal euphemism, the true meaning of which in each specific case can be guessed only from the context.

                        I don’t remember which of them wrote, Sobolev or Kolbasyev, that the main thing in mat is not meaning, but giving meaning. This was mainly the swearing in the Imperial Navy. smile
                      4. +1
                        13 September 2021 19: 00
                        By the way, it was in the Imperial Navy that swearing, as far as I know, was not encouraged, at least among officers. And what meaning can be given to an expression using swear words, which cannot be given by ordinary, literary ones? It's hard for me to imagine. Mate is, in my opinion, exclusively emotions.
                        An example, albeit not an obscene one.
                        The man says: "Not a fig, not a fig ... Then how it goes! And figurines, figurines ..." What is this? Who knows, let him wet, do not prompt. smile
                        This is a fireworks display. But the image that the narrator wanted to convey appears only if you know what the speech is about, that is, you can understand the phrase only in context. "Fig" in this case can be replaced, for example, with "horseradish" without loss of meaning. In context, this phrase immediately generates an image and do you know what is the attractiveness, brightness of this image? In its vagueness. Each presents his own fireworks, which he once saw. Anyone who has not seen the fireworks at all will not learn anything from this story - for him this is an empty set of sounds. A literate person will be able to describe the fireworks in such a way that anyone, even who has never seen it, will be able to create an image in his head that more or less corresponds to what the narrator describes.
                        Checkmate is exactly the same story. Universal words that allow the listener to complete the construction on their own. And how much the images in the head of the narrator and the listener will correspond is generally the tenth thing. When describing primitive, standard, well-known events, this is enough. For something complicated and non-trivial, mate is catastrophically unsuitable.
                        Emotions are much less diverse than all the variety of possible events in our life, so it is easier to express them with the help of a mat, especially if these emotions are primitive.
                        However, when we are faced with difficult emotions, checkmate passes.
                        "I (you, he, she) are in deep confusion"
                        "I am extremely surprised"
                        "I have temporarily lost relevance"
                        "I am angry"
                        "I'm very excited", etc.
                        It would seem completely different states, but in Russian obscene all of them can be described by one expression, for example, "I ate o (hell)." And, again, the listener decides what specific meaning is put into these words by the author. The accuracy of information transfer is minimal.
                        So we will not swear in vain, we will not teach people this, but we will leave all this emotional wealth to the descendants in a form that is not worn out, suitable for its intended use. smile
                      5. +3
                        13 September 2021 18: 59
                        Take care of the Russian mat! Don't waste it on trifles!
                        The Russian construction site is gone !!! crying
                      6. +4
                        13 September 2021 19: 05
                        I think, rather, the opposite. Accurate information about the construction technology brought to the performer, understood and assimilated in a proper way, will help to improve the quality of work. And if you give an instruction to an employee to "fuck up this kind of garbage," then why be surprised that the result is garbage?
                      7. +3
                        13 September 2021 19: 16
                        Yes. If I, explaining the terms of reference, will define the concepts: "adhesion", "compression-tension coefficient", "magnetic induction coil" ..., 90% of customers will not understand me, let alone the Tajiks.
                      8. +2
                        13 September 2021 19: 21
                        They won't understand the first time. But all the same, their level will become a little higher. Especially if you explain it well. So we will defeat illiteracy.
                        True, Tajiks will have to pay more later. Maybe that's why no one wants to teach them anything? And then everyone will become smart, then you will not save enough money for them. So stupid, they do rubbish, work through a stump-deck, but they don't ask for much money. Maybe it's good? smile
                      9. +1
                        13 September 2021 19: 29
                        True, Tajiks will have to pay more later.
                        Yes, this is just not scary, scary is that the Russians do not want to work!
                      10. +2
                        13 September 2021 19: 34
                        With Tajiks ... Well, mankind has a great experience here, but you know and love history.
                        Does the hand bother you anymore? wink
                      11. +3
                        13 September 2021 19: 40
                        The hand has not fully recovered. He became old, before everything healed like ... I don't know who. Anyone who says "heals like a dog" has never treated a dog !!!
                      12. +3
                        13 September 2021 19: 50
                        Yes, don't remind me with dogs. A swindler in our garden under an apple tree.
                    2. +5
                      13 September 2021 14: 09
                      I was told about the Turkic origin of obscene words in the early seventies on the Eastfield UDN by one lady with gray hair with scientific degrees

                      That's right, Uncle Kostya, blame everything on the Turk! laughing Uuuu, bassoons! wassat The one who put it in our pants, only the English shit bigger than them.Samson Saxon superethnos. angry What a gorgeous topic for the next portion of the selected Samsonovshchina, indicating the haplogroups of the Scythian-Aryans, each by name! fellow drinks
                      1. +5
                        13 September 2021 15: 19
                        Well tv what, vnature! What Saxotatars !? All the Jews rule with the Reptilians, or rather the Jews rule, and the Reptilians drive, and you mean the pants imposed on the Tatars. And here, brother, the Masons ... am
                      2. +3
                        13 September 2021 15: 37
                        more precisely, the Jews rule, and the Reptilians steer

                        I thought - on the contrary ... what We must ask Albert who is driving and who is driving! drinks
                        and you about the pants imposed on the Tatars

                        I declare authoritatively - the Tatar-Mongols did not have trousers. They were bare-assed, literally. Proven on the forum at the beginning of 2017. stop Don't spread lies here, Uncle Kostya! tongue You just came to the forum later, and did not see the most epic battles of those times ... fellow wassat
                      3. +3
                        13 September 2021 15: 57
                        Eeeeeeeeeeee, brother! You wrote about the pants! wassat
                        And about the "seventeenth year" is also not worth it, there is still need to explain what you yourself did in the "seventeenth" and what kind of battles you are talking about!
                        But nothing, our bodies will figure everything out and bring everyone to clean water. And me too. And then I will scuttle the boat and sail away from here to my mother! And there is nothing to me about Tatars without pants, I lived with them on Trubnaya for half a century and did not see anyone with a bare bottom. bully
                      4. +5
                        13 September 2021 15: 59
                        And then I will scuttle the boat and sail away from here to my mother!

                        Yeah, you will swim away, right up to the middle of your pond. wink You will have to wait for three hours on the shore until you run out of the "fire water" with a snack you took with you. laughing Then you will sail and ask for it back! drinks
                      5. +5
                        13 September 2021 16: 06
                        It never ends! soldier

                        Don't count on three hours, take a tent and a sleeping bag, you don't need a heating pad, our girls are hot. fellow
                      6. Fat
                        +4
                        13 September 2021 17: 40
                        hi Nikolay. It's risky! Constantine may have a Prohibition-era Moonshine submerged treasure, donned in the Potomac River and hidden ... It may take longer. I’m even almost sure ... They don’t just float away “to nowhere”, everything is not easy Yes
                      7. +3
                        13 September 2021 19: 06
                        there is still need to clarify what you yourself did in the "seventeenth"
                        Yes, as usual, Uncle Kostya, tore off the hot water pipe in their South-West and Captain Mikhailov dribbled to Smolny to get hold of boiling water.
                      8. +2
                        13 September 2021 19: 27
                        How is Father Fyodor at some station?
                      9. +2
                        13 September 2021 19: 32
                        No, earlier film. Either "The Man with the Gun", or "Lenin in October", I don't remember ...
                      10. +2
                        13 September 2021 19: 36
                        "The Man with the Gun" smile
                      11. +2
                        13 September 2021 19: 46
                        Ага.
                        "- Have you seen Lenin? What is he like? They say pockmarked, yes scythe?
                        - Whrut! Oghredeno, vghrut! "(C)
                      12. +2
                        13 September 2021 19: 49
                        "Huge growth and inevitably red!"
                      13. +1
                        13 September 2021 19: 55
                        I haven't reviewed it for a long time. Do you remember, before every "XNUMXth of November" they played ...
                      14. +1
                        13 September 2021 20: 42
                        Yes, I remember, of course. there were many films about Lenin, and just about the revolution. But somehow most of them faded from memory.
                        You remembered "Lenin in October"

                        The whole team without Trotsky. smile
                    3. +3
                      13 September 2021 16: 41
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      Great, Misha! It's a pity they'll be blacked out, but this is life, the history of our language. Interestingly, if you write an article in the same clear text with links and photos, will they really not miss it? After all, the insanity is complete! After all, we do not even really know how to swear, they take three well-known words, and they bow them no matter how they hit, and there was the famous "Oath of Peter the Great", and I didn't even hear it, where everything went, some kind of spiritual impoverishment, and it began with the TV, and now, in general, the edge, we grow dumb with "tik-tok" and Skabeev's nightingales. The country disappears

                      There are closed dissertations on obscene barking. Read - ears wither!
                      1. +1
                        13 September 2021 16: 50
                        There are closed dissertations on obscene barking. Read - ears wither!

                        There are also open ones - about the issues of the sexual behavior of peasants in the Central Black Earth Region (I think other areas differed little) in the 19th century ... feel
                  2. +6
                    13 September 2021 14: 21
                    There is also a letter from the matchmaker with wishes to the young

                    The speech of this wish (I will not quote) sounds like a toast ... wassat
      2. +5
        13 September 2021 07: 48
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        only with the adoption of Christianity does the name "John" begin to spread, but look how far from the canonical: Russian - Ivan, Slovenian - Ivanko, Polish and Czech - Jan, English - John and Spanish - Joao (Jean).

        And I also heard Huang ... Isn't that "hu out of hu" from here? what
        1. +6
          13 September 2021 09: 26
          And if Juan, then it will be "zhu out zhu" - somehow frivolous. laughing Then, Juan, it's like Portuguese already.
          1. +1
            13 September 2021 22: 15
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            And I also heard Huang ... Isn't that "hu out of hu" from here?

            Quote: Sea Cat
            And if Juan, then it will be "zhu out zhu" - somehow frivolous. Then, Juan, it's like Portuguese already.

            And in truth to burst, like Paganel at Jules-Verne.
      3. +4
        13 September 2021 08: 56
        the name "John" begins to spread
        It seems they are all from "Johanan" -God has mercy in Aramaic.
    3. +2
      13 September 2021 07: 05
      "you can still cut the mulberry" rather stab it, because he has a spear
    4. +7
      13 September 2021 08: 41
      But seriously, I liked the article very much, and the miniatures were delighted!

      Yes, not the right word!
      Everyone drew attention to the "uncle" lying in the center of the fragment cited by Kostya. It is certainly worth it!
      But you all look at the archer on the left.
      Legs, legs! This is a real ballet step! Language of the body. Given that this is the most correct position when shooting from a bow. A classic pose, so to speak.
      Someone reproached me last time, they say, I admire the grace of the poses of an unnamed modern counterfeit for a miniature. But here, my dears, you have nothing to cover. The author is known. I read his biography today)))
      1. +5
        13 September 2021 09: 17
        Given that this is the most correct position when shooting from a bow. A classic pose, so to speak.

        I "fired" from a bow only in early childhood, so I can't say anything, but I know one thing for sure - you can't shoot from a machine gun in such a pas de deux, you will find yourself alive on the priest. laughing
        1. +5
          13 September 2021 09: 29
          Kostya, what are the times, such are the songs! )))
          From a heavy machine gun - what is the pose?

          By the way, I once heard about something, I asked specially yesterday, having a reason for the holiday of Holy Mazut, what is the permissible maximum height of a modern tanker. It turned out to be 170 - 175 cm. Consequently, a kid with a height of 190 cm will not be accepted into a tank school. Even if he is able to instill fear in his neighbors by his appearance.
          Oh, this is a lie!
          This is me as an understandable source of the lie of the retreat.
          1. +8
            13 September 2021 09: 45
            From a heavy machine gun - what is the pose?

            It depends on how and where it is installed, and in general, the position of the arrow is not fundamental for the machine tool and is not needed for stability, if someone did not come up with the idea to shoot from him with his hands, although they say that from the "Kord" you can and on the run, I don’t know, I haven’t tried it. smile
            1. +5
              13 September 2021 09: 50
              As if I tried! )))
              But the frame before my eyes is a machine gun, Petka and Anka lay behind him. One year old sticks out on one side, the other on the other. Lying! The gentleman in the photo will catch the enemy's turn.
              1. +7
                13 September 2021 10: 00
                The gentleman in the photo will catch the enemy's turn.

                The gentleman in the photo caught several million, his name is Hiram Maxim. smile
                And Petka and Anka are always lying, and not necessarily behind a machine gun, although he, a machine gun, certainly brought them closer together. Well, again we ran into Mr. Maxim, where can we go without him. laughing
                1. +7
                  13 September 2021 10: 31
                  We rested on Maxim, there was an article, and everyone threatened me: "Yes, he is the killer of millions!" Now, in principle, I don’t recognize, I don’t mention the name wassat )))
                  1. +5
                    13 September 2021 10: 59
                    Now, in principle, I don’t recognize, I don’t mention the name wassat)))

                    In-in, and the conversation was so cunningly led, remembering the poses, then the lying couple, that they themselves let me, naive, in order to call the forbidden Name. Here it is, female deceit! recourse
                    1. +5
                      13 September 2021 12: 45
                      Here it is, female deceit!

                      Yes, I'm cunning! And so much so that I would add a bottle of cognac to the lady's hand, or, rather, dishes with freshly prepared dinner. The dog will wrap the candy, the man ... he will pull it back! And Cupid's arrow works only when the victim's stomach is full! The aroma of fried cutlet acts from around the corner without fail! wassat )))
                      1. +6
                        13 September 2021 12: 50
                        "The way to a man's heart lies through his stomach" (c)
                        So, then you are evaluating our brother? Everything is clear with you. am
                      2. +5
                        13 September 2021 13: 01
                        Everything is clear with you.

                        What do you mean to me? This is with you men, everything is clear! A hungry husband starts looking for food on the side. Not like that, right? )))
                      3. +4
                        13 September 2021 13: 22
                        In-in - "feeding on the side", and why? If they starve at home, so well, to die or something. It's your own fault! laughing And then how does it turn out: twisted, signed, gave birth and ... "where is he going from the submarine now?" How, where, there is always where, the world is not without good people. wink
                      4. +4
                        13 September 2021 13: 58
                        Well, let's say, in France, for example, decent people go to have breakfast in a cafe - croissants, coffee ... They also dine in similar establishments. And I have never met any mention of French women preparing dinner. Dinner parties - yes. But our Russians remain hungry after them.
                      5. +4
                        13 September 2021 14: 05
                        ... I have never seen any mention of French women making dinner.

                        I'm already laughing, France is undoubtedly a highly moral country, especially its female half. laughing Why should she cook, if she heats dinner while sitting on the radiator and not the fact that for her husband. fellow
                      6. +3
                        13 September 2021 14: 27
                        Kostya, did I tell you that you are a sadist? Or I told someone else. Now - to you! For French and American women, food carriers bring ready dinner, or they themselves take it with them after work. Warmed up in the microwave, and eat what they give or what you asked for. That's how people made their lives. And you sit on a hot battery and accuse of immorality ...
                        Cook soup - an hour is needed continuous fuss, or even more. While you are gaining spirituality wassat )))
                      7. +4
                        13 September 2021 15: 43
                        This is while you are gaining spirituality wassat)))

                        Well, someone needs to do this too, not all the same to fly on a low level in markets and shops, the microwave oven was just invented by the very ones that have gained "spirituality".
                        And it's not a problem to cook soup, cooked and the people did not complain, I’m silent about the army, when I went around the kitchen with my help - the whole regiment was fed. Yes
                      8. +2
                        13 September 2021 16: 06
                        Duel of views! Expressively, I laugh - a victim and a good-natured cook)))
                        Oh, Kostya, you know how to create an atmosphere of cheerful extremes ...
                        And how long did you, a big and strong man, cook soup for the shelf? A woman cooks all her life, cooks and cooks for one, and if you add those soups, how many shelves she fed. Hmmm ...
                        These are the thoughts that the French with their identification marks suggest. And this is not a leap of thoughts, but an ineradicable, often only latently realized need to protest some against the rules of others, denoted with the help of fennecs.
                        Are there people in the world who have no reason to be dissatisfied?
                      9. +4
                        13 September 2021 16: 16
                        Are there people in the world who have no reason to be dissatisfied?

                        Yes! Dead. soldier
                      10. +2
                        13 September 2021 16: 34
                        That's right! )))
                        It seems to me that nature perceives such as entropy, which has come to zero, which means that it falls out of unity, which is a struggle of opposites.
                        "And the eternal battle! We only dream of peace ..."
                        There is struggle - there is life. There is no her, and there is no life.
                        This principle was implemented in an interesting way during the Hundred Years War. The belligerents intuitively understood and accepted the law of dialectics, which was finally formalized only in the future for them in the 19th century. The implementation took the form of cross-shaped identification stripes. One army - in red crosses, the other - in white. Each of the armies loses its meaning without the other. This is such a struggling unity.
                      11. +3
                        13 September 2021 16: 41
                        ... intuitively understood and accepted the law of dialectics,

                        I think they had all this before the lantern, and dialectics, and everything connected with it. Kill, or you will be killed - everything is simple and nothing has changed since then. Judging by myself.
                        And this is good:
                        One army - in red crosses,
                        , the other in the green bushes - let the others fight. laughing And the most important thing is that they shouldn't be late with dinner, otherwise what kind of war could there be on a skinny stomach.
                      12. +2
                        13 September 2021 16: 49
                        another in green bushes - let others fight

                        Here are the ones in the bushes
                        They will have a chest in crosses.
                        Crosses will not be placed in graves,
                        Don't need a cross on your deathbed.
                      13. +3
                        13 September 2021 17: 01
                        "And the last autumn embroiders the crosses
                        On the worn out gold of our shoulder straps ... "(c)
                      14. +6
                        13 September 2021 15: 25
                        I have not seen any mention of French women preparing dinner.
                        Such a mention can make I-cook, at least my wife. But I'm better at it.
                      15. +4
                        13 September 2021 16: 08
                        I'm better at it.

                        Life compels? )))
                      16. +7
                        13 September 2021 16: 18
                        No, just pickle, hodgepodge, Olivier, stewed cabbage - he can't, although he eats it all at once. I cooked borscht for a bet - it turned out delicious, but not that sad Russian touch is needed smile
                      17. +4
                        13 September 2021 16: 38
                        Once a migrant worker, humble yourself! )))
                        Kidding. There, I suppose, there are also difficulties with naturalization. Hence the wife, who does not know how to cook what is needed. But the papers are in order. How bad life has become ...
                      18. +6
                        13 September 2021 16: 44
                        But the papers are in order
                        I got my British passport a year before I met my wife. But the Latvian one gave me the same rights on the territory of the Kingdom. I had no difficulties with naturalization from the word at all - I'm not from Russia- I didn't even have to learn the anthem, I knew earlier. And I have nothing to put up with - I cook almost exclusively out of love for the process - such chemistry on minmalk wassat
                      19. +5
                        13 September 2021 16: 51
                        You are a good person drinks )))
                        May good luck always accompany you!
                      20. +4
                        13 September 2021 16: 53
                        Thanks to! It is worth noting that several times I was very lucky. smile
                      21. +3
                        13 September 2021 17: 06
                        Do you know that luck comes to everyone?
                        To everyone!
                        But not everyone can catch her by the tail.
                        Let's say a writer has written a great book. But the book needs to be published. The writer does not have the talent of a salesman, even having printed a certain number of copies in the printing house at his own expense. We need a publisher intermediary. That is, a person who professionally catches the writer's fluttering luck. And then how lucky. And so in everything.
                        Those who do not see it are missing out on luck.
                      22. +4
                        13 September 2021 16: 44
                        Quote: depressant
                        Well, let's say, in France, for example, decent people go to have breakfast in a cafe - croissants, coffee ... They also dine in similar establishments. And I have never met any mention of French women preparing dinner. Dinner parties - yes. But our Russians remain hungry after them.

                        There is one very good book WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DO NOT SPIT FOOD. Written by a Jewish American turned French. A lot about French women and their lives! I want to tell everything about her on VO, but my hands do not reach ...
                      23. +3
                        13 September 2021 16: 55
                        I want to tell everything about her on VO, but my hands do not reach ...

                        But it would be necessary. I believe the topic will be a resounding success.
                        In any case, I can already see that I will have a reason to shake my fists and shout "How long!" wassat )))
                      24. +3
                        13 September 2021 18: 53
                        Quote: depressant
                        "How long!" )))

                        And you are right, by the way!
                      25. +3
                        13 September 2021 20: 19
                        Your ideas about France, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, correspond, hmmm ... to your ideas. Sorry, but you are stuck somewhere at the beginning of the "noughties". Last century....
                      26. 0
                        13 September 2021 20: 32
                        Exactly! "Roses on credit" and all that.
                        And I will never get there. Western life is available to me only on occasional fragmentary information from the Internet. And I was never specifically interested. I'm more interested in the aspiration of society as a whole. Details, little things - this is a mosaic that takes too long to fold.
                      27. +2
                        13 September 2021 20: 08
                        Not like that, right? )))
                        Not this way!
                      28. +1
                        13 September 2021 20: 20
                        Anton ...
                        Are you stoic? Withered with hunger, but faithful?
                        What a fortitude!
                        Forgive me ... It happens that a person is tired and lost himself so that he does not see in the mirror.
                      29. +2
                        13 September 2021 20: 33
                        No, not dried up. Easily accessible women are in stock. Moreover, not for money. Another thing is that there is nothing to talk to the overwhelming majority of them ...
                        Meanwhile, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, from your side - a blow below the belt!
                      30. 0
                        13 September 2021 20: 36
                        Forgive me, forgive me generously!
                        I'll hit you on the head next time wassat )))
                      31. +1
                        13 September 2021 20: 53
                        You see, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, you are a rare person on the forum who knows the story of my love. In this regard, if you do not want to lose my communication, do not "rinse" it in public.
                      32. +2
                        13 September 2021 21: 31
                        Where did you get the idea, Anton, that I am capable of "rinsing" such things? I was only talking about homemade borscht and, by the way, with Kostya. Why on earth did you take it personally? And when you suddenly started talking about easily accessible women, I did not understand anything, but I was extremely shocked and tried to reduce everything to a joke. But you continue to insist on your vision of our conversation with Kostya and threw a stone not in Kostya's garden, but for some reason in mine, forcing me to make excuses for what I was not to blame.
                        Please dismiss me from such associations and allusions of yours. It never entered my head to hurt your feelings. But if you so want to see me guilty of something in front of you, for God's sake. Let it make it easier for you, it means it will be easier for me - I helped a person!
                      33. +3
                        13 September 2021 21: 38
                        Good. Thank you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
                        For the past few years, I have been very thrifty in my feelings.
                      34. +3
                        13 September 2021 20: 06
                        The aroma of fried cutlet acts from around the corner without fail!
                        "My Marina's mother,
                        Divinely fries cutlets! "(C) laughing
                      35. +3
                        13 September 2021 20: 23
                        You were joking, but a stone fell from my soul.
                        And then I lay down on my soul from your words and crushed. I squeaked wassat )))
                      36. +4
                        13 September 2021 22: 31
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        The aroma of fried cutlet acts from around the corner without fail!

                        I won't sell for a sausage,
                        I won't think for two
                        For three! Nice person - three sausages is another question, give five and I respectfully - there is nothing more favorable to look at your proposal to add three more just to be sure !!! And there it is worth increasing the fee to ten. Ten because ten !!! drinks
                  2. +7
                    13 September 2021 12: 32
                    "He's a killer of millions!"
                    What does Maxim have to do with it. Whoever "swooped down menacingly at you" can just as well blame the inventors of the frying pan and stool for this.
                    1. +5
                      13 September 2021 12: 51
                      Sergei, let themselves go and severely criticized. I had to: "What am I? Yes, I am nothing? I was standing on the edge!" laughing )))
                2. +3
                  13 September 2021 18: 21
                  Benjamin Hotchkiss was no poorer ...
                  The firm is French, and the American itself. The machine gun is generally "welded" from the development of the Austrians !!!
                  1. +4
                    13 September 2021 18: 50
                    The machine gun is generally "welded" from the development of the Austrians !!!

                    Specifically, from whose development? There is one developer - Adolf Odkolek von Ujezd. His system with a gas piston will not fire by itself, the fins are air-cooled, too, the rifled barrel was invented even earlier, but only Hotchkiss could design a working machine gun from all this.
                    1. +2
                      13 September 2021 19: 59
                      Let the Austrian was alone. hi
                      But Benjamin made a profit ...
                      And not only with machine guns!
                      Let's not forget about the Hotchkiss & Co range of guns!
                      1. +4
                        13 September 2021 20: 44
                        That's right, he earned it, this profit. The man looked at the root, because everything worked out for him. smile
    5. +6
      13 September 2021 11: 30
      Quote: Sea Cat
      The uncle from "The Chronicles of St. Albans" smiled and made me especially happy.

      Good afternoon, but I liked this passage:

      It's not entirely true that he hit a horse with a spear in a krupp or a knight!
      And the severed head rolls sadly under the horses' hooves ... hi
      1. +5
        13 September 2021 12: 53
        The inept knight missed! It is clear where he was aiming, but did not hit. Well nothing! Experience is a gain wassat )))
      2. +3
        13 September 2021 16: 52
        Good day, Sergey! hi
        The horse was hit in the ass, and the armored man thundered to the ground already by inertia.
        In general, this scene is disgracefully reminiscent of an equestrian polo match, where, for lack of a ball, someone's head is chased across the field. laughing
        1. +3
          13 September 2021 17: 24
          Quote: Sea Cat
          In general, this scene is disgracefully reminiscent of an equestrian polo match, where, for lack of a ball, someone's head is chased across the field

          Like a classic: people mixed up in a bunch, horses ... hi
          The hound was hit in the ass, and the armor-clad thundered to the ground already by inertia

          He probably aimed in the ass to the rider, as in the most unprotected place of the knight.
          And I'm sorry for the horse ... drinks
          1. +2
            13 September 2021 17: 50
            It is always a pity for the horse, it is something to blame. This crown of creation cuts a neighbor for nothing, yes, you see, he is so stupid that for several millennia of tireless work, he could not cut out his population. Well, nothing, if the covid does not work out, nature will come up with something more substantial on our heads, it will definitely not end well. "Carthage must be destroyed!" (C)
  4. +4
    13 September 2021 07: 00
    Good morning. In fact, the moderators planted a pig on us: on the same day Valery and Vyacheslav Olegovich
    1. +4
      13 September 2021 08: 38
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Valery and Vyacheslav Olegovich on the same day

      And what's wrong with that?
      1. +4
        13 September 2021 08: 55
        Faith in that sense, I think that in this situation you should at least break apart - you need to keep up with both here and there. wink
        1. +2
          13 September 2021 11: 32
          You are absolutely right.
      2. +5
        13 September 2021 09: 40
        And what's wrong with that?


        Vyacheslav Olegovich, well, you are naive! wassat )))
        It's one thing to set up a network of 10 insignificant separate comments to catch likes, and quite another to set up two such networks. One of these strains to weave, but here already two are needed. With limited opportunities to intensify labor productivity laughing )))
        Tomorrow, there may not be any convenient articles for this, and most likely there will not be, it is necessary to catch the fresh interest and enthusiasm of commentators.
        The person understands this and grieves about the missed opportunities.
        1. +5
          13 September 2021 09: 56
          Well, I would read both and would not comment on anything ... I put the pluses and OK.
          1. +4
            13 September 2021 11: 17
            So it is you, a sorcerer, a sculptor of interest, a connoisseur of what is beyond the circle. As we know, the circle, outlining a person, is immersed in the sea of ​​the unknown, but more often - desired for knowledge. Depending on the desire of the one who is in its center. Unwanted unknown for a person is invisible! “I know that I don’t know anything” is too general a presentation of interest.
            But there is an extreme case of the transformation of the ocean of the unknown into the desired, and then the ocean of knowledge outside the circle for a person in its center loses its meaning, the ocean has dried up! What is outside the circle is now not knowledge, but just a tool for achieving the desired social step, albeit in the format of virtuality. Yes, this is how it happens - the desiccation of the soul, and now the ocean of knowledge is withered.
            1. +4
              13 September 2021 11: 22
              Quote: depressant
              Yes, this is how it happens - the desiccation of the soul, and now the ocean of knowledge is withered.

              Yes, I haven't watched TV for a long time. Last time 4 months ago, my wife and granddaughter watched the Australian TV series "The Wizard" and "The Land of the Great Dragon".
              1. +10
                13 September 2021 12: 34
                He turned on the TV. It is not clear how and where to write comments, there is no rewind. How to call from him is also unclear. Turned off the TV.
                1. +4
                  13 September 2021 12: 58
                  Sergey, definitely!
                  I bought AMF - a habit to use a word on paper. I opened a TV program for a week - to see what films will be. It was already scary! Am I still in 2015?!?
                  All the same and all the same.
  5. +6
    13 September 2021 08: 04
    which was also bought by thousands of yards.
    This is when it comes to England. In France, there are toises.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  6. +5
    13 September 2021 08: 18
    Interesting topic ! For a long time he showed interest in her, but passive ... he "dug history" a little! When I watched "historical" foreign films back in Soviet times, I noticed that the "ancient" armies fought in colorful uniforms ... each in its own! The question arose: was it so ... and always? But ... "it was pre-Internet time" ... and Soviet reference publications did not always come to hand ...
    1. +6
      13 September 2021 08: 40
      At that time I was buying books from Czechoslovakia and the German Democratic Republic in the FOREIGN LITERATURE stores, but I did not know the language and this greatly limited myself. But at least I looked at the pictures and translated something somehow.
      1. +7
        13 September 2021 08: 53
        That's right, I was constantly grazing in the Druzhba store, the most interesting and "rich" in weapons and uniforms were the departments of the GDR and Czechoslovakia, the Poles rarely had something, mostly the Mozhe magazine, then I just subscribed to it. And with the translation - yes, there were problems, although my mother helped with the Germans, only the technical terms for us were just a "dead zone". smile
        1. +6
          13 September 2021 09: 45
          Two volumes of fairy tales by the Brothers Grimm in German, richly illustrated. It turned out that there are a lot of fairy tales and most of them are very short. It was from them that I learned German.
          1. +5
            13 September 2021 09: 48
            Hmm ... fairy tales ... Well, who - what, jedem, as they say, das Seine request
            1. +5
              13 September 2021 10: 18
              Aha! To each his own.
              To whom is a bottle caught in the net, and to the cat of them - a fish)))
              1. +7
                13 September 2021 10: 40
                Better both! And you can do without bread. laughing

                1. +4
                  13 September 2021 11: 25
                  Kostya !!!!
                  Thank!!!!!
                  At first I saw the cats ... But when my eyes dropped to the gnawed mermaid, tears gushed out of my eyes with laughter!
                  good drinks wassat love ))))
                  1. +5
                    13 September 2021 12: 07
                    An advertising poster like “Know ours!” Or the freedom of Angela Davis! laughing drinks
                    1. +3
                      13 September 2021 12: 35
                      By the way, about Angela Davis laughing
                      Not so long ago I happened to see the chronicle of Angela Davis's arrival in the USSR. It seems that Khrushchev himself met her? If I remember correctly. My attention was focused on Angela herself.
                      What I had read about her in passing before, put in my mind a small, downtrodden, cruelly oppressed black woman from some plantation in the American South, ingratiatingly grateful ... that our government peasants seemed just petty next to her. A woman with a huge curly hair, equally huge black glasses, hiding her eyes. A person with a grip of American superiority in her every move.
                      Little of! She was wearing some kind of mesh T-shirt with rather large cells, through which her breasts were clearly visible, not constrained by a bra.
                      Confused, embarrassed, and some even ingratiating smiles formed on the faces of those who met, no one knew how to behave with such an outlandish, confident exotic person, she somehow immediately suppressed everyone, apparently considering their role in her life extremely insignificant ...
                      This is how she appeared to me, Angela Davis! wassat )))
                      1. +7
                        13 September 2021 14: 01
                        And not Brezhnev?


                        He and Kasius Clay! Superboxer.

                        Good day, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
                      2. +5
                        13 September 2021 14: 43
                        And not Brezhnev?

                        And God knows them, Seryozha!
                        I'm very glad to see you))))
                        For me, all these stories of false fighters for false rights and political intriguers promoting this have never been of interest. How many there were! All this political filth, which I associate with mold, ruined the past, and I erase it, this filth, from my memory. I am interested in the present and the future. In them I catch the magic lights of a miracle, and although my nets are empty, the future always shines with hope)))
                    2. +10
                      13 September 2021 12: 36
                      Freedom Angela Davis!
                      From Angela Davis Hands!
                      Give freedom to Angela Davis!
                      Give freedom, female dogs!

                      Freedom Angela Davis!
                      From our Angela's hands!
                      Give freedom to our Angela!
                      Well, give her freedom, female dogs!
                      1. +8
                        13 September 2021 12: 45
                        Madame, after all, sat down for an armed attempt to free the head of the "Black Panthers" and her lover from the courtroom, the attempt failed and she sat down herself. Here, according to the laws of any country - a slammer, what kind of freedom is there, to the mother, at least get rid of it. laughing

                        "Human rights activist" ... with a revolver, just according to the precepts of Al Capone about a revolver and a kind word, anecdote, and nothing more.
                      2. +6
                        13 September 2021 12: 48
                        Yes, that was our leadership. And now we are surprised. How, they say, so?!? That's how! It is still like that.
                      3. +6
                        13 September 2021 12: 56
                        No, well, not everything was so bad, Bokassa, for example, was not invited to the Kremlin, they themselves went to him. wink
                      4. +8
                        13 September 2021 14: 15
                        No, well, not everything was so bad, Bokassa, for example, was not invited to the Kremlin, they themselves went to him.

                        Bokassa was invited to Artek ... feel
                      5. +7
                        13 September 2021 15: 11
                        Fresh meat? laughing
                      6. +7
                        13 September 2021 15: 39
                        Fresh meat?

                        I hope the pioneers were counted ... request
                      7. +5
                        13 September 2021 15: 51
                        pioneers were counted
                        And the counselors? Who counts them there? wassat
                      8. +3
                        13 September 2021 15: 55
                        And the counselors? Who counts them there?

                        Yeah, like in that wonderful anecdote about a bear at a construction site. laughing
                      9. +5
                        13 September 2021 15: 59
                        Who needs them, counted the pioneers! laughing
                      10. +4
                        13 September 2021 16: 04
                        Who needs them, counted the pioneers!

                        Ah, well done! wink Hussar! good Even cooler - Ulan! drinks
                      11. +5
                        13 September 2021 16: 15
                        What an uhlan ... bator is there! stop
                        We are modestly so always in our, cuirassier style.
                      12. +6
                        13 September 2021 14: 05
                        Wait a minute! wink Then there was an idea and there were allies. Some, no, but allies. Now ?! Well, well. laughing
                      13. +5
                        13 September 2021 14: 19
                        Seryozha, now at least they don't eat people. However, who knows. Taste preferences are stable.
                      14. +4
                        13 September 2021 15: 53
                        were allies
                        Freeloaders. Is that Cuba was an exception, at least in Africa for the USSR they fought with dignity.
                      15. +4
                        13 September 2021 15: 56
                        Bastards

                        Taking into account Bokassa's culinary preferences, he no longer tended to bread, but to meat. It turns out that in his face there is not a "freeloader", but a "messenger". Okay, at least I ate my own ... wassat
                      16. +4
                        13 September 2021 16: 02
                        ate his own.
                        When he was finally flooded, French legionnaires discovered recipes for making "sweet pork" at his residence. It was written there that the meat of whites is not suitable for food - poisoned by tobacco and alcohol Yes In extreme cases, their wounded but still alive had to be soaked in running water. Something like this.
                      17. +4
                        13 September 2021 16: 07
                        In extreme cases, their wounded but still alive had to be soaked in running water. Something like this.

                        Horror just his "cookbook" ... belay
                      18. +5
                        13 September 2021 16: 16
                        I didn't have a chance to drink with him. According to fragmentary data, he highly appreciated the products of French winemakers.
                      19. +3
                        13 September 2021 16: 30
                        According to fragmentary data, he highly appreciated the products of French winemakers.

                        Esthete, sir! request Well, in general, the interest in the products of French winemakers is understandable - they were previously a colony of France?
                      20. +4
                        13 September 2021 16: 38
                        they were previously a colony of France?
                        Were. But here everything is more fun - Bokassa, as part of the French army, fought in France and Germany against the Nazis belay After the war, he stayed there, having received a signalman in the training course in the town of Frejus VUS. He fought in Indochina for France. Was awarded for this. Then he served in Brazzaville, then (already a lieutenant) in Bangui, and then (in 1962) he became an officer in the army of the independent (1960) Central African Republic, which (the army) practically himself created from scratch!
                      21. +2
                        13 September 2021 16: 16
                        Something unhealthy interest, huh? laughing laughing laughing
                      22. +3
                        13 September 2021 17: 14
                        Apparently the men want meat. Anyone.
                        Judging by the pictures, the stew is desirable from a pioneer, but not from a wiry pensioner.
                      23. +1
                        14 September 2021 07: 37
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Okay, at least I ate my own ..

                        But he looked at Brezhnev with appetite!
                      24. +5
                        13 September 2021 16: 14
                        Hi Alex!
                        Who knows, who knows ... And our bases were in very exotic places. Freeloaders? From the point of view of today, probably. Yesterday? Countries that have chosen a socialist orientation.

                        Picture from an article on VO for 2013.
                        Everything is relative, isn't it? Especially now ... from the point of view of today? laughing
                      25. +3
                        13 September 2021 16: 22
                        I read somewhere that the USSR supplied to Cuba... frozen fish. Khrushchev, when he found out, at the same moment demanded a direct call to Fidel and inquired about the ichthyofauna of the Caribbean Sea.
                      26. +5
                        13 September 2021 14: 47
                        It should be like an icon to the BLM users. And let everything continue to be smashed and demolished. Then a photo of her stay in Moscow. They will have a brain rupture. Constantine, the great idea of ​​ideological sabotage good
                      27. +6
                        13 September 2021 15: 15
                        Everything is more serious there. Already done. Kadyrov recruited Schwarzenegger, giving him an apartment and forty rams, now the Blackneger rules the black Americans. laughing
                      28. +5
                        13 September 2021 16: 34
                        It should be like an icon to the BLM users. And let everything continue to be smashed and demolished.

                        BLMs need to slip the famous song of the group "Forbidden Drummers". It will be their anthem. wink
                      29. +1
                        14 September 2021 07: 45
                        Nicholas, hi When I watched TV reports about these events, I was pleasantly surprised by an American 16-year-old boy who was on guard at the monument to General Lee. The crowd booed him, and swore, and threw various crap, and the kid stood. I thought that this is a real American. And different panthers, BL, Angela, who are Davis, are superficial, non-sinking substances. Leningrad OMON Gidaspov is not on them)))
  7. +4
    13 September 2021 08: 58
    real military uniforms in European armies appeared only during and after the Thirty Years' War. Then they began to create both regular troops and regular armies. And then
    crosses on soldiers' clothes began to be replaced with scarves. But the color of the scarves, in my opinion, remained the same color as the crosses used to be on the clothes of soldiers in every state of Europe. Gradually, the emphasis was shifted to the same color of the uniform itself in each army, in order to distinguish the enemy during the battle. Well, crosses remained on banners and standards in European armies until the twentieth century. Standards with Catholic crosses, many stylized but essentially crusaders, were thrown by Soviet soldiers at the foot of Lenin's mausoleum ...
  8. +4
    13 September 2021 09: 01
    1375 in Paris, many wore hoods of red and blue fabric as a sign of solidarity with the city politician Etienne Marcel. In 1411, all members of the Parisian group, which bore the name of the cabochiens, wore ...


    Hence - the tradition of "yellow vests"?
    They have had it for a long time wassat )))
    1. +7
      13 September 2021 10: 36
      tradition of "yellow vests"
      Gilets jaunes - originally a protest against an increase in excise taxes on gasoline - many people living in small towns have to use their own vehicles to get to work. And yellow vests are required in a personal car (it must be worn if you need to leave the road). Then these vests became in the eyes of the demonstrators a symbol of belonging to the working class - they are worn in almost all workplaces except offices.
      1. +5
        13 September 2021 12: 07
        Well, it is understandable that in the days of the knights they did not wear yellow vests)))
        But the article clearly makes it clear how signs of solidarity of people were formed, united first by military interests, then by shtetl or ideological interests. According to party lists, so to speak wassat )))
        Well, really, how to distinguish between two knights belonging to warring armies or parties, if their iron suits, perhaps, were made by the same master using the same patterns? One banner, but many knights. You cannot foist a banner on everyone.
        And since then, first the French began to form, and with their submission - the whole world - a sign of French solidarity as the unity of the form of clothing. Did you protest in yellow vests simply because this is the uniform of the driver leaving the car to fix a problem, or the uniform of a hard worker? And now the whole world is talking about the protest of the "yellow vests".
        And this is firmly entrenched in the global mentality and is being exploited in our country. Remember the protests of the white ribbon liberals? Even our government uses this method of solidarizing the population by distributing ribbons of guards, at the same time referring us to a distant historical time when these ribbons were introduced.
        1. +6
          13 September 2021 12: 40
          According to party lists, so to speak
          The founders of LiveJournal were motorists, but then, when protests (by the way, unexpectedly for the initiators themselves) flared up sharply and began to gain strength, the leaders-politicians got out, consolidating the movement. Mobile communications and social networks helped a lot. My father-in-law took part there am
  9. +4
    13 September 2021 09: 19
    And how was it possible to recognize the French supporters of the British, from the French supporters ... the French? Jean Count d'Armagnac solved this question very simply. He ordered all his nobles, as well as simple supporters, and servants to wear straight white crosses on their clothes. White cross as a symbol of France ...


    So this is what it is ...
    Is this not the origin of French solidarity with impunity? Because it is a folk custom that developed back in the Middle Ages, which grew out of an administrative order.
    To prohibit custom is to destroy the image of France in the eyes of the people.
    And now for some reason the whole country rises and takes to the streets, and, mind you, no police force disperses the people, but protects order. But I want to overclock. For this, provocateurs from the protesters are used - a reason is needed!
    We didn't have such a tradition. The people gathered without an order, which means a riot.
  10. +6
    13 September 2021 12: 08
    Good afternoon, colleagues.
    As always, thanks to the author for the material, but there is a question.
    The article somehow casually says about "badges" or emblems that were sewn on clothes. It is known for certain that they were widely used in England during the Wars of the Roses - all these swans, suns, stars, boars, dragons, bears and, in fact, the roses themselves - are nothing more than badges designed to identify to a retinue or detachment what nobleman this or that gentry belongs. Moreover, these badges had nothing to do with heraldic symbols, they were not inherited, they were elected and changed arbitrarily, without any agreements. For example, Richard Iyork had a white rose as an amble, his son Eduarad had the sun, and his son Richard had a white boar.
    But about France, I did not come across anything like that, except that in passing and did not get imprinted in my head.
    Colleagues, can someone enlighten on this matter: did the French feudal lords have such identification marks in fashion and it would be especially interesting to get acquainted with their images. And, of course, which sign belonged to which nobleman is also extremely interesting. smile
    1. +3
      13 September 2021 13: 08
      Misha, experts will answer you in detail, but now they are having lunch and therefore are silent)))
      I only know this:
      Password? "NANTES!"
      Review? "ON!"
  11. +4
    13 September 2021 14: 06
    "to fasten bundles of straw on helmets, to impose white rags" I don't know about straw, but I remember white rags in "Quentin Dorward" the order of Louis 11
  12. 0
    14 September 2021 00: 03
    Here is the European idea: if you sew on the belly a cross, white, black, red, straight, oblique, with thickenings or an additional crossbar, you can wet the enemies, for this is God-pleasing and correct! Especially it is necessary to beat those who have a cross of a different color, he, of course, is a heretic and God does not love him!
    Then, however, progress came: they began to destroy each other for the idea - in what language to pray! And this is already serious, not the spillikins which flourished of the cross.
  13. 0
    14 September 2021 13: 06
    Yes, what to talk about, an interesting article! good
  14. 0
    14 September 2021 16: 20
    Good day everyone. And I am also interested in such a question. How did the Roman legionaries distinguish each other during the civil wars? It seems to me that the equipment of different legions was identical. How did they define the enemy when it went beyond the scope of a close battle? Who will tell
  15. 0
    14 September 2021 18: 51
    Therefore, before the battle, it was necessary to strengthen bundles of straw on helmets, wrap bandages from white fabric

    Almost a thousand years have passed. Armor gave way to body armor, camisoles were replaced by camouflage, and instead of sharpened weapons, a lovingly oiled firearm was in the hands. And their descendants also knit white / yellow / colored bandages on their hands in order to distinguish their local conflicts in close combat.