Russian military specialists visit Yerevan to discuss the modernization of the armed forces of Armenia

Another Russian military delegation is on a visit to Armenia. Moscow regularly interacts with Yerevan's military department to provide more defense and security assistance to its main regional ally. The delegation from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation was headed by Major General Valery Zhilan.

The Armenian Defense Ministry reported:

A group of Russian military specialists arrived in the capital of Armenia for bilateral talks

The ministry issued a statement stating that V. Zhilan informed Arshak Karapetyan, the head of the Armenian Defense Ministry, in which direction the cooperation would move, and also noted the forthcoming volume of work. In turn, Karapetyan outlined a range of issues that are of primary interest to the Armenians.

Yerevan has deepened its already close cooperation with the Russian Federation after a ceasefire in Nagorno-Karabakh was reached with the mediation of Russia last year.

Since then, Moscow has deployed troops to the Syunik region of Armenia, which borders areas southwest of Karabakh that Azerbaijan has taken under control during and after hostilities.

In May of this year, Yerevan requested additional deployment of Russian army servicemen (as well as border guards) along the Armenian-Azerbaijani border.

Russian-Armenian discussions are aimed at assisting our country in the early reform and modernization of the armed forces of Armenia

- noted the former Minister of Defense of Armenia Vagharshak Harutyunyan.

Earlier, Sergei Shoigu assured Karapetyan of further assistance to Armenia from Moscow. It was also about the supply of Russian weapons Armenian army.

Defense contracts were signed between Armenia and Russia within the framework of the Army-2021 exhibition

- said Dmitry Shugaev, Director of the Federal Service of Russia for Military-Technical Cooperation

There is also information about the ongoing discussion of a new Russian-Armenian agreement on a joint air defense system. The joint air defense system has existed since the late 1990s, and it underwent modernization in 2015.

Earlier in Azerbaijan, some individuals heard accusations against the Russian Federation that Russia was selling weapons to Armenia. The logic is strange. After all, Azerbaijan is not content with weapons exclusively of its own production, but actively purchases them abroad, including in Turkey and Israel.

Comments

[knn54]

If there is no doubt about the steadfastness of the Armenian soldiers, then the level of training / professionalism of the higher officers and generals is in doubt.

[Roma 1977]

But the political leadership of Armenia raises even more questions.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Of course not worth it. I remember how during Azerbaijan's attack on Karabakh, they heroically fought on the Internet. In this battle, they suffered severe losses in sofas and keyboards, but did not retreat.

[Vlad1]

If you don’t know you don’t need to carry a blizzard, many went to fight, if there was no one then whom Aliyev periodically calls that the mercenaries fought ?? He simply cannot imagine that people can just come to defend their historical homeland .. Here one comrade heart-rendingly declared that the Turks did not fight for Azerbaijan, but the other day Aliyev was rewarding Turkish pilots who participated in this war ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vlad1

Here one comrade heart-rendingly declared that the Turks did not fight for Azerbaijan, but the other day Aliyev awarded the Turkish pilots who participated in this war.

For Azerbaijan, whatever one may say, NATO members fought, and Armenians fought for Armenia.

[Tank hard]

Quote: tihonmarine

For Azerbaijan, whatever one may say, NATO members fought, and Armenians fought for Armenia.

Yeah, the kid didn’t work out there.))

[Tank hard]

Quote: Model101

And the nosed tozherosians also fought? Or our heifers rode at this time ???

Who do you mean by this term ???

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Tank Hard

Who do you mean by this term ???

He is from the planet "Zhelezyaka", by the way there are no heifers on it either ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Model101

And the nosed tozherosians also fought? Or our heifers rode at this time ???

The club grimaced in the gum.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

If the Armenians fought as fiercely in Karabakh as they fought on the Internet, it would not be Aliyev in Karabakh, but the Armenians in Baku.

[suhorukofal]

I don't take sides. But just the warriors of Azerbaijan have dirtied everything with their mud, the bot farm is worse than the Ukrainian one, the general approach in methods is felt, and the VO has not spared it either. And in fairness, the Armenians themselves lost the support of Russia, but Azerbaijan fought far from alone. So it's not a matter of courage, objective facts speak volumes.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

The great internet warriors of Azerbaijan and Armenia stand against each other. Their price is half a kopeck per bunch on a market day.

[suhorukofal]

Here 2 hands FOR. It is more convenient for them to experience more about their countries on the Internet or while living in Russia.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Here, by the way, the question arises, to what extent are these citizens of Russia, really citizens of Russia? For the citizens of Russia should be more concerned with the interests of Russia, and not the interests of Armenia, Azerbaijan or any other country.

[suhorukofal]

My colleague was an Armenian, so he did not really feel that he belonged to the Russian people. They have it in their blood to somehow feel like a special tribe and clan, this is a burning question for them. Any diaspora is a good indicator, they do not want to integrate at all, they are very concerned about their national identity. I repeat, they prefer to show all this in Russia, only here these feelings are greatly exacerbated. Here they are the fruits of the 90s, when each republic sharply began to consider itself an exclusive breadwinner.

[silverwolf88]

it is a pity that we again fit into a country oriented towards the USA (West) ... well, here's a shitty Armenian ally ... and extremely unreliable

[suhorukofal]

Do we have a large selection of allies? The United States does not disdain to expand its spheres of influence near our borders, how many problems it gives us is clearly seen. And Armenia is generally a member of the CSTO, with such people it is generally necessary to expand cooperation.

[lucul]

And Armenia is generally a member of the CSTO, with such people it is generally necessary to expand cooperation.

And how should it be expressed? In the supply of free weapons and the protection of the borders of Armenia by Russian border guards? ))))
Just admit already that as a state, Armenia did not take place, because the Armenians themselves do not want to defend their Armenia.

[suhorukofal]

Why are these arguments about consistency? Look at our other neighbors, NATO somehow doesn't really think about their viability, they just use them as hotbeds of tension, on which Russia will scatter its forces. Such advice was enough in the 90s. Did you save a lot, for example, on Georgia alone? Yes, take more others, do not make us poor, does not remind anyone? We have only friends on the borders, there are practically no problems, NATO is not expanding at all. At the same time, we will show that we are no worse than the US army, we can abandon our allies. As long as we can remain calm at the borders, we must use this. Well, conversations in methods of expression are conversations in favor of the poor.

[boni592807]

suhorukofal (Alexey Sukhorukov), Today, 16:30 - "... At the same time we will show that we can abandon our allies as well as the US army. As long as we can remain calm at the borders, we must use this. But conversations in methods of expression are conversations in favor of the poor ... "

Whose will you, suhorukofal (Alexey Sukhorukov)? What connoisseurs? Promise not to marry, but from the Russian Federation delicious food - from freebies to moving ... Allies Who Didn't Recognize "Their" Artsakh , but DEMANDED from the Russian Federation to enter into hostilities (war) with Azerbaijan, straining in all the media about its membership in the CSTO.
Until VVP reminded them that CSTO - in case of an attack on Armenia itself... How much dirt is poured on the Russian Federation, but the "heroes" do not stop at insults. The Armenian guests staged "military" actions on the streets of the Russian Federation and in the shopping center with Azerbaijanis. So far, the GDP has not warned that ALL fighters on the "vegetable" front will be severely punished. where is the hero of THEM (living in the Russian Federation) on the fields of THEIR HOMELAND - Armenia?
Are they allies? How many felonies and silence, example of a GRU soldier Belyankin (RF, Central Russia, Moscow region, Putilkovo-Krasnogorsk), killed from his home by 12 Armenians, because he stood up for 2 local Russian guys who have already been KILLED... One already had his stomach ripped open, the other was lying, and they were simply killed. And the silence, someone after the intervention of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, they were arrested, the killer, with the support of the diaspora, successfully flew to Armenia. And without the intervention of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Russian media have already launched a fake - just a drunken fight (of course, organized by drunks - you guessed it .....) and EVERYTHING .... and it doesn't matter that Belyankin's old people are forever left alone to meet old age, and he (Belyankin ) died on the lap of his bride....
R.S. There are "friends" more terrible than enemies.
To wisely live life, it is necessary to know a lot,
Two important rules to remember for a start:
You better starve, than what horrible there is,
And it's better to be alone than with anyone.
Omar Khayyam
Sclerosis in the 80s and 90s will still backfire, but already in the Russian Federation. see on the streets and reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the RF BSB. "Partners" are able to correct the "mistakes" made in 1991-1993.

[suhorukofal]

Mixed in a bunch of horses, people,
And the volleys of a thousand guns

Some kind of confusion, not the thoughts of an adult. A bunch of emoticons, text highlighting, can you formulate your thoughts normally?

What connoisseurs? Promise not to marry, but from the Russian Federation there are tasty treats - from freebies to moving .... bully Allies Who have not recognized "their" Artsakh

Imagine, allies, there is even a treaty, what is international law, obligations, you know? So, this should not be confused with crime and the corruption of our Ministry of Internal Affairs. Following your logic, we directly have to repeat the 90s, the times of such kitchen geniuses are over, so it looks like sclerosis in you. Other thoughts do not come to mind that it is necessary to somehow solve such problems without creating new ones at their borders?
I don’t even want to answer something to this set of words anymore, you still don’t understand.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: suhorukofal

Imagine, allies, there is even a treaty, what is international law, obligations, you know?

Yes, he knows, don't worry. But for some reason only the Russian Federation should know about this, the obligations under the CSTO are multilateral, not unilateral (where only the Russian Federation should fulfill its obligations) ...
In the year Pashinyan came to power in the RA, the freedom-loving people of the latter called the military forces of the RF Armed Forces invaders and wanted to get out of the RF Armed Forces from the RA, while burning the flags of the RF ... now this people of RA wants these invaders to fight for them, for those lands that the Armenians themselves do not recognize as their own ...
It may be easier for the Russian Federation to meet the freedom-loving people of the Republic of Armenia and leave the Republic of Armenia, especially since there are no Russian schools in the Republic of Armenia, and only 80 Russian-speaking people live there.

So, this should not be confused with crime and the corruption of our Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Why not be confused? When a Russian soldier of the 201st WB of the Russian Federation killed an Armenian family, the local population began to block our WB, and rallies were held in Yerevan .... or do the Armenians in the Russian Federation not commit crimes?

no thoughts come to mind that it is necessary to somehow solve such problems without creating new ones at our borders?

At the southern borders of the Russian Federation, there are no problems, the border with Georgia and Azerbaijan is well equipped in engineering terms and is guarded by the FPS of the FSB of the Russian Federation, in addition, the WB in Abkhazia and the Republic of South Ossetia is covered in the Georgian direction ...
Or do you mean to solve the problem of the borders of the Republic of Armenia with its neighbors, why should it do this, and not the Republic of Armenia itself or another member of the CSTO?

I don't even want to answer something to this set of words anymore, you still won't understand

Exactly. From your set of words, you can only understand one thing that:
The Russian Federation must solve the problems of the RA ...

[Karos]

Quote: Lara Croft

Or do you mean to solve the problem of the borders of the Republic of Armenia with its neighbors, why should it do this, and not the Republic of Armenia itself or another member of the CSTO?

Because well, the allies in the CSTO do not want to fight for Armenia .... In Armenia, nationalism is at such a level that they say “all the Turks are our enemies,” and even many opposed the Tatars because the Tatars are also Turkic-speaking. And in the CSTO, 3 out of 6 countries are Turkic-speaking, and they all understand perfectly well that if they were in the neighborhood of Armenia, then Armenia would be aggrieved against them. Also, Belarus is one of the main strategic allies of Azerbaijan in the post-Soviet space. Russia and Tajikistan are left, the second has its own problems at the borders ...

[suhorukofal]

I see you do not understand the subject of communication. Okay, I will not be too lazy to write in more detail. I speak about the ally factor, I do not deny our problems with national crime, this situation has been heating up for a long time, moreover, I think more drastic actions are needed in relation to all diasporas to their all sorts of hot guys who arrange "sabbaths" in Russia because of their national disagreement or tradition. Consequently, we also need to actively pursue our own policy in these republics, to strengthen our influence, and not to look from the outside what you propose, just as you propose to simply score on all this in the spirit of letting them figure it out. This is exactly what we are talking about, and not about how and where hot nationalities behave, this is generally a separate and very long conversation.
And about your comments with the same sheet, I will not be lazy:

In the year Pashinyan came to power in the RA, the freedom-loving people of the latter called the military forces of the RF Armed Forces invaders and wanted to leave the RF Armed Forces from the RA

Therefore, he called for the fact that some embassy had grown beyond its normal size, which increased its influence. Would there be such a useless region as you argue, there would not be such an active work of the states in it, or do you think this is out of great love? But you offer to take offense and show a fig instead of opposing.

The Russian Federation must solve the problems of the RA ...

Can you imagine the leadership of Russia thinks in the same way as the leadership of any country that claims to be the leader in the region, and even more so in the world. Vaughn acts as a mediator in a military conflict, and in the light of recent events only strengthened our authority, surprisingly, this is a normal practice for world powers. Do you think this is the wrong position? Although, of course, the CSTO was created by Kazakhstan and Armenia to protect Russia? Naturally, decisions must be made to strengthen their authority and security, and not for the sake of altruism. Or do we not need allies in the Caucasus, everything is fine with Georgia, Azerbaijan, which is already half dependent on NATO, and everything is fine with Turkey?

It may be easier for the Russian Federation to meet the freedom-loving people of the Republic of Armenia and leave the Republic of Armenia

Such slogans were all over the former USSR, they did everything, as you said, did we have fewer problems? I repeat, you can leave these countries, but in return we will get hotbeds of tension, we will have to spend a lot of resources, dissipate our forces, spend them on several "fronts" at once.

Why not be confused? When a Russian soldier of the 201st WB RF killed

Once again, re-read my words on this matter, that this is a separate voluminous topic, do you set the goal of organizing demagoguery or talking about a specific problem?

At the southern borders of the Russian Federation, there are no problems

Are you seriously? So there are no problems with Georgia, and Turkey's ears are nowhere looming. Do you seriously need to explain what the threat to the strengthening of NATO in the Caucasus? And why is it important for us to have allies in this region? Actually, it was worth starting with this. I am crucifying here about why it is important to have an ally in the Caucasus, in response you yourself give arguments that only confirm the opinions of why you need to increase your influence, if you don’t understand this, then there is no point in talking initially, I shouldn’t be crucified here

[Ela myaushkina]

Quote: lucul

how should it be expressed? In the supply of free weapons and the protection of the borders of Armenia by Russian border guards? ))))
Just admit already that as a state, Armenia did not take place, because the Armenians themselves do not want to defend their Armenia.

Armenia as a state has never been wealthy. There the Armenians themselves have nothing to do. So they don't live in Armenia and don't defend their Armenia. In Armenia, there are those who have nowhere to go, or who do not want to leave their habitable place, and the extreme nationalists, patriots, remained who do not know other languages ​​except Armenian.

[Ela myaushkina]

Quote: suhorukofal

Do we have a large selection of allies? The United States does not disdain to expand its spheres of influence near our borders, how many problems it gives us is clearly seen. And Armenia is generally a member of the CSTO, with such people it is generally necessary to expand cooperation.

Yes. Right. Russia needs to act like the United States. Forget all grudges and all that stuff and expand your spheres of influence. Instead of sitting and waiting until neighboring countries suddenly begin to be loyal to Russia and reach out. It doesn't work that way. It is necessary to fight for their loyalty. Of course, nothing happens and never happens. This is an example of the United States, how they operate. And they are making progress, unlike the Russian Federation.

It is foolish to sit and wait for something. With such a policy, the Russian Federation will remain completely alone, surrounded by enemies along the perimeter of the borders.

[suhorukofal]

In the 90s we were going to be friends with everyone, but our "partners", as politicians say, did not suffer from such nonsense as excessive peacefulness, now we are reaping the fruits of such an attitude. The states settled in Armenia for a reason, it is perfectly clear that this is not because of great love for Kim Kardashian, Armenians and Armenia.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Ela Myaushkina

Russia needs to act like the United States... Forget all grudges and all that stuff and expand your spheres of influence.

The last epic action of the United States, it abandoned its allies in Afghanistan and armed the Taliban with state-of-the-art weapons.))

[suhorukofal]

That is why we need to pursue an active policy in relation to our neighbors, and not hammer on them, otherwise the states will come and they themselves will take care of them, find something to occupy them, what to tell about Russia and how to live, what, what, and bring they know how to strive better than anyone, they have not even bypassed their own country.

[Tank hard]

Quote: suhorukofal

That is why we need to pursue an active policy in relation to our neighbors, and not hammer on them, otherwise the states will come and they themselves will take care of them, find something to occupy them, what to tell about Russia and how to live, what, what, and bring they know how to strive better than anyone, they have not even bypassed their own country.

What nonsense. You are not Venediktov from the echo of Moscow?

[suhorukofal]

Learn to understand what you read, a lot will become clearer

[Vlad1]

Are you Azerbaijani or Russian ?? If Russian then look around who is your allies left? Belarus and Armenia .. With such an attitude of the rest, you yourself repulse half of it, and the other half runs under Erdogan's wing ..

[Flooding]

Quote: Vlad1

Are you Azerbaijani or Russian ?? If Russian then look around who is your allies left? Belarus and Armenia .. With such an attitude of the rest, you yourself repulse half of it, and the other half runs under Erdogan's wing ..

by the way, I agree with you
Potential partners have been pushing Russia to this for a long time
the circle narrows

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Vlad1

With this attitude of the rest, you repulse half of yourselves, and the other half runs under Erdogan's wing ..

With so it is with what? And then it seems that these allies come to us with all their hearts, but we just put a pig on them. And if you look at it in practice, these allies simply want to parasitize on Russia without giving anything in return, and all this is often seasoned with a terrible cave nationalism, which Russians and not only Russian citizens of the Russian Federation, in their opinion, are obliged to forgive them. Allies like you are very costly for Russia, while there is practically no benefit from you. I'm not interested in your dreams of great Armenia, if an ordinary citizen of Russia pays for them. The money that poured into the pseudo-allies could be spent on infrastructure, hospitals, schools, roads, science, and helping young and large families. Learn to be normal allies then let's talk. And the allies who are ready tomorrow to turn their backs on you and betray and spit on us in spite of our help are not allies, but mercenaries and the attitude towards them is the same.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Not that these allies with all their hearts are with us, but we just put a pig on them. And if you look at it in practice, these allies simply want to parasitize on Russia without giving anything in return, and all this is often seasoned with a terrible cave nationalism, which Russians and not only Russian citizens of the Russian Federation, in their opinion, are obliged to forgive them. Allies like you are very costly for Russia, while there is practically no benefit from you. I'm not interested in your dreams of great Armenia

All road construction in the Russian Federation is placed under the control of the Armenian diaspora, and in turn, some Azerbaijani Russian businessman is lobbying for flirting with the Turks, to whom the "Count-Prince" himself comes to take a steam bath

[IS-80_RVGK2]

I am simply infuriated by this amazing infantilism and the endless arrogance of these fucking pseudo-allies. Yes, kill you there soyuznichki about each other, the world will only become cleaner. Fewer fascists, more oxygen.

[Normann]

So there weren't any special allies

[tihonmarine]

Quote: silberwolf88

it is a pity that we again fit into a country oriented towards the USA (West) ... well, here's a shitty Armenian ally ... and extremely unreliable

This should be done so that Armenia does not join NATO. But at the same time, Azerbaijan is in full swing with NATO Turkey, which fought against Armenia and supplied it with weapons. So we need to pull Armenia out of this brew.

[out of habit]

So we will "visit Yerevan" until Baku squeezes out everything that is planned from them.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: out of habit

So we will "visit Yerevan" until Baku squeezes out everything that is planned from them.

So far, Baku has not wrested anything Armenian from Armenia ... and as a result of last year's conflict over the NKR, it is the Armenians who should visit Moscow, not the Russians Yerevan ... while the Armenians of Russia have not offered us anything either economically or politically ...

[out of habit]

What am I talking about? They need it, but we are driving, we need bases.

[storm]

It is necessary to mobilize the Armenians in Russia and form a new Armenian army out of them.
Let them defend their historical homeland themselves, why should Russian soldiers die for Armenia?
If the Armenians called up from Russia for military service turn out to be cowards or traitors, then they should be deprived of Russian citizenship for life and always expelled together with close relatives.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

The thought is beautiful! Realization impossible ...

[Ela myaushkina]

Quote: assault

It is necessary to mobilize the Armenians in Russia and form a new Armenian army out of them.
Let them defend their historical homeland themselves, why should Russian soldiers die for Armenia?
If the Armenians called up from Russia for military service turn out to be cowards or traitors, then they should be deprived of Russian citizenship for life and always expelled together with close relatives.

Everything is simpler. To shoot at the Russian Armed Forces of the Russian Federation means declaring war on Russia. That is why Russian border guards are stationed there. In the Armenians, even though they were called up from Russia to the Armed Forces of Armenia, they will shoot boldly in the mustache without blowing.

And what is common between the Armenians living in the Russian Federation and having citizenship there and the army of Armenia? Such Armenians by citizenship in the army of the Russian Federation should serve, and not in the Armenian. The armies are not divided, as it were, along ethnic lines.

So there is no need for xenophobic-chauvinistic exclamations of demand.

[sen]

Russian military specialists visit Yerevan to discuss the modernization of the armed forces of Armenia

And who will pay for it?

[Tank hard]

The logic is strange. After all, Azerbaijan is not content with weapons exclusively of its own production, but actively purchases them abroad, including in Turkey and Israel.

Absolutely.

[Egoza]

Quote: Tank Hard

The logic is strange. After all, Azerbaijan is not content with weapons exclusively of its own production, but actively purchases them abroad, including in Turkey and Israel.

Absolutely.

So if they also bought weapons from the Russian Federation, it would be cheaper. It's a shame, I guess! Well, who made a bet on whom, if Turkey and Israel are dearer to them, then the Russian Federation will not dissuade, but no matter how they wash away with burning tears.

[Sergeant]

Quote: Egoza

Quote: Tank Hard

The logic is strange. After all, Azerbaijan is not content with weapons exclusively of its own production, but actively purchases them abroad, including in Turkey and Israel.

Absolutely.

So if they also bought weapons from the Russian Federation, it would be cheaper. It's a shame, I guess! Well, who made a bet on whom, if Turkey and Israel are dearer to them, then the Russian Federation will not dissuade, but no matter how they wash away with burning tears.

You are very mistaken.

Aliyev: “We acquire weapons from many countries. Most of all, military equipment is not supplied to us by Turkey and Israel. It's Russia."
https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5f945b729a794763723dc4ec

Azerbaijan bought weapons worth $ XNUMX billion from Russia, Aliyev said.
https://ria.ru/20180901/1527658900.html

Abroad, Azerbaijan buys what Russia does not want to sell to Azerbaijan. What is left for Azerbaijan if Russia does not want to sell to Azerbaijan what it needs? For example Iskender, Krasukha, Su-35 and other types of weapons.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Sergeant

Most of all, military equipment is not supplied to us by Turkey and Israel. It's Russia.

Moreover, the indignation of the Azerbaijani side looks not logical.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

The Armenian Diaspora Abroad Chipped Off and Donated Money for the Purchase of Russian Weapons? Or, again, a Russian loan followed by debt cancellation?

"Save me, God, from my friends, and I will somehow get rid of the enemies myself!"
Prince Lemon
(Gianni Rodari. The Adventures of Cipollino)

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Not a horse feed. Although, if the horse pays ...

[Scorpio05]

Quote: knn54

If there is no doubt about the steadfastness of the Armenian soldiers, then the level of training / professionalism of the higher officers and generals is in doubt.

More than 10 thousand deserters identified in the Armenian Armed Forces during the 44-day war fully confirm your opinion.

[Ela myaushkina]

This is how non-regular units of Armenia fought there. And the militia and particles of the army of Karabakh. Karabakh and Armenian are not the same thing.

[Karos]

Do you at least think about it, if not a regular army, then why:
- 4+ thousand Armenian Armenians were buried near Yerevan who died in Karabakh;
- why the prime minister of Armenia signed the capitulation;
- why the Armenian ministers lost their posts;
- If Russia relieved the Armenians of their position to defend their own borders and if they did not participate in the war, then where were they, maybe they fought the Internet from toilets?
- Where did the former autonomous region of Nagorno-Karabakh get so many soldiers from? According to official figures, there were about 150k of them, together with the elderly, children, and women, and half of them permanently reside abroad;
- Pashinyan himself said that if he had not capitulated, then after the loss of Shushi more than 25 thousand Armenian soldiers would have died, as they were surrounded;
- if Armenia did not fight, then with which side did it shoot Iskander ....;
- the former autonomous region of Nagorno-Karabakh has so many tanks, rocket systems, guns, air defense systems - this is a country that is not recognized by anyone and no one has the right to sell weapons to them, since this is a documentary separatist formation ...
- and many more facts indicate that 80% of manpower and technical forces were from Armenia, 10% were the separatist organization itself, and 10% were those who came from abroad.

Azerbaijan openly said that it was at war with Armenia on its territory, but Armenia cannot admit the fact that it fought for the sole reason that in such cases it is an aggressor side and then the CSTO will not be able to defend it. Moreover, all the CSTO countries except Russia and Tajikistan supported Azerbaijan, while Russia and Tajikistan remained neutral.

[yfast]

Quote: Scorpio05

More than 10 thousand deserters identified in the Armenian Armed Forces during the 44-day war fully confirm your opinion.

Probably, the new generation does not want to die or be crippled for NK, unrecognized by Armenia.

[Ela myaushkina]

Not a single sane person, let alone an Armenian, would fight for unrecognized Karabakh. Anyway, these days are different. The young generation of today wants to be at war the least of all.

[Vasyan1971]

It remains to find out at whose expense the Armenians are going to "modernize" their Armed Forces? For a friendly Russian, as usual?

[Ela myaushkina]

Due to loyalty to Russia. For Russia don’t help Armenia. Armenia will find a new patron and host, that is, a new wing-sponsor in everything.

[Konnick]

For Russia don’t help Armenia. Armenia will find a new patron and owner, that is, a new wing-sponsor in everything

A woman with a cart, it's easier for a mare. Let them look for another sponsor, but I don’t want to help them for free, it’s better to spend this money on our own army, there will be more sense.

[Flooding]

Quote: Konnick

Let them look for another sponsor, but I do not want to help them for free, it is better to spend this money on your own army, there will be more sense

the system is built in such a way that you do not have to ask the opinion of each citizen on a particular political decision
and that's great
you probably don't remember the times of the collapse of the USSR
when many townsfolk reasoned in the kitchens about the same: enough to feed them, hicks. a woman with a cart - it's easier for a mare

so understand after that whether our own mistakes teach us anything

[Konnick]

when many townsfolk reasoned in the kitchens about the same: enough to feed them, hicks. a woman with a cart - it's easier for a mare

As it turned out it really became easier, it turned out that we were feeding. Another thing is that they failed to reveal the essence of those who came to power, but this is different.

[Flooding]

Quote: Konnick

As it turned out, it really became easier

well, everything is clear
then, really, did not catch
Well then, and talk about what?
it remains to roll up to the borders of the Moscow Ring Road
it's good to live inside

[suhorukofal]

In the 90s, we got rid of all the republics so abruptly, did we save a lot? They quickly found sponsors for themselves, or rather he had them, and our losses were not monetary, but quite human.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Ela Myaushkina

do not help Russia Armenia. Armenia will find a new patron and master, that is, a new wing-sponsor in all.

You are so grown up, but you believe in fairy tales ...
"Ancient Sumerians" first believed that they found in the person of the United States and the EU

sponsor in all

but it turned out that only

the owner

[Servisinzhener]

Hmm ... being where Armenia is located, the choice of patrons is not great. It is unlikely that it will be possible to make a "European" choice or even a pro-Western one. Especially considering the recent events in Afghanistan.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Ela Myaushkina

Armenia will find a new patron and master

Like, is Russia the current patron and master of Armenia?

[Saladine]

Why should Russia modernize the AR army? It is enough just to send all the ARs back from Russia.

[Ela myaushkina]

Why Nazi-nationalist outcries? It doesn't paint anyone.

[Flooding]

Quote: Saladine

Why should Russia modernize the AR army? It is enough just to send all the ARs back from Russia.

as well as all Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Georgians.
didn’t forget anyone?
you yourself, dear Saladine, are not you afraid to get into these lists?
let us also attach a certificate with DNA analysis in our passports about the cleanliness of the home

[Servisinzhener]

The Office of Race and Settlement was liquidated back in May 1945, so take it easy.

[askort154]

In Soviet times, Armenia was an outpost of the USSR in the Transcaucasus, primarily against a strong NATO member, Turkey. Since the 90s, when Georgia gathered in NATO, and today Azerbaijan completely fell under Turkey,
Armenia was left there alone, with an unstable political system - they tried to oust our military base. What Turkey and Azerbaijan dream about. Russia is forced to strengthen its influence, especially since Armenia is a member of the CSTO. Which is what Shoigu assured.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: askort154

Armenia was left there alone, with an unstable political system

Well, this is entirely incl. the fault of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and following the results of Pashinyan's coming to power in the RA, Lavrov had to be immediately dismissed, from the moment he became the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, we are losing our influence in the former republics of the Union one after another ...

tried to drive out our military base

Neither they were the first, nor they were the last, Dushanbe and Bishkek tried to do the same in their time ...
Georgia and Azerbaijan succeeded, the emergence of the RF WB managed to prevent the Republic of Belarus ...
In general, our 102nd WB in the RA, like the US WB in Poland, is "camps of armed prisoners of war", the 102nd WB of the Russian Federation in the RA must be preserved, but its structure must be changed with a reduction in its number and the forces of its ground component ...

[Xlor]

I wonder at what price this modernization will cost our country?

[Ela myaushkina]

At the cost of alliance, friendship and the presence of Armenia under the wing of Russia. For the time being.

[Saladine]

It sounds funny and stupidly pathetic. “Armenia under the wing of Russia”. Under the current national policy of the government, Russians in Russia are “under the wing” of visiting Armenians and other foreign “friends”.

[Tank hard]

In any case, the Americans left a much greater gift to Afghanistan.

[lopvlad]

to discuss the modernization of the armed forces of Armenia

there is not so much the need for modernization of the armed forces as the top of the power of Armenia, the army only carries out orders that come from above.

[yfast]

Quote: askort154

Armenia was left there alone, with an unstable political system - they tried to oust our military base. What Turkey and Azerbaijan dream about. Russia is forced to strengthen its influence, especially since Armenia is a member of the CSTO. Which is what Shoigu assured.

And how popular are we after the war in Armenia? Some not very obvious "influence enhancer" has turned out.

[Saladine]

The Armenians were ready to fight for the NKR to the last soldier, that's just the Russian one. From the ars themselves, only good traders (manipulators of the scales) and mediocre road workers are obtained.

[Sergeant]

Armenians are ready to fight to the last Russian soldier. For some reason, the Armenians do not demand the US and France to fight for them.

[Saladine]

And the Armenian diaspora in the United States too.

[agoran]

How much can you step on the same rake?
Does Armenia need protection? Build bases, infrastructure. The Russian Federation will deploy its troops with its own weapons, but you will have to pay for the maintenance.
It's time to follow the example of the Anglo-Saxons and approach cooperation as pragmatically as possible.

[ork_333]

Quote: Ela Myaushkina

Quote: suhorukofal

Do we have a large selection of allies? The United States does not disdain to expand its spheres of influence near our borders, how many problems it gives us is clearly seen. And Armenia is generally a member of the CSTO, with such people it is generally necessary to expand cooperation.

Yes. Right. Russia needs to act like the United States. Forget all grudges and all that stuff and expand your spheres of influence. Instead of sitting and waiting until neighboring countries suddenly begin to be loyal to Russia and reach out. It doesn't work that way. It is necessary to fight for their loyalty. Of course, nothing happens and never happens. This is an example of the United States, how they operate. And they are making progress, unlike the Russian Federation.

It is foolish to sit and wait for something. With such a policy, the Russian Federation will remain completely alone, surrounded by enemies along the perimeter of the borders.

The funny thing is that Russians do not agree to please someone for the sake of "friendship." We accept a person as he is in essence. The country's leadership, of course, can "be friends" or not with any countries, but people do not care. We, so to speak, feel in our gut who is our enemy and who is our friend.

[Saladine]

Bad "smell". There are already a lot of enemies on the streets, in kindergartens, schools, very close to us. Alien to us, with their own ideology, with their values. We ourselves let the enemy into our house.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Saladine

Bad "smell". On the streets, in kindergartens, schools, very close to us there are already a lot of enemies. Alien to us, with their own ideology, with their values. We ourselves let the enemy into our house

Once, in a popular novel, I read a counting rhyme I liked. Here's an augmented version:

"The beasts stood
Near the door
They were shot
They were dying.
But there were also those who felt sorry for them,
They opened these doors for them.
They were greeted by songs and kind laughter.
The beasts entered and killed everyone. "

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Vlad1

the other day Aliyev awarded Turkish pilots who participated in this war ..

According to one provocative resource, Aliyev needed to award the Year Nisanov:

https://t.me/infobomb/1355

Dastardly slander of the anti-skrepovites:

"And here is the answer, where the loot comes from:" When the owner of European daddy's best friend. "Lydia writes about the Year of Nisanov. He is a spy for Turkey and Azerbaijan. This is now one country. !) paid the director XXX ".
Believe it or not, the question is rather a religious one.

[Saladine]

Turkey, the "gray wolves", has long cherished the idea of ​​returning the Ottoman Empire. And Azerbaijan is still playing its territorial role in this. For now - this is until the loss of sovereignty.

[Karos]

Year Nisanov is not an agent, but a patriot of his country, mind you, he is a Jew by nationality, but by patriotic convictions his homeland is Azerbaijan and, moreover, not even Baku, but the northern regions of the country. This is called developed multiculturalism - when representatives of different nationalities and confessions are of interest to the country where they were born.

[fa2998]

Quote: lucul

And Armenia is generally a member of the CSTO, with such people it is generally necessary to expand cooperation.

And how should it be expressed

Financially, Armenia CANNOT modernize its Armed Forces. So there is talk about the supply of weapons (albeit covered by a "loan"), essentially free aid.

[Saladine]

So it seems. The Armenians have the richest diaspora in different countries of the world, including the United States. Seeing "poor, offended" is their national tradition. They will weigh you on the illegal market and deceive you when you buy, calling you “brother” or “friend”.

[victor_47]

A point-blank question: who will pay? Is it possible again for Russian loans ?!

[Scorpio05]

Quote: suhorukofal

Mixed in a bunch of horses, people,
And the volleys of a thousand guns

Some kind of confusion, not the thoughts of an adult. A bunch of emoticons, text highlighting, can you formulate your thoughts normally?

What connoisseurs? Promise not to marry, but from the Russian Federation there are tasty treats - from freebies to moving .... bully Allies Who have not recognized "their" Artsakh

Imagine, allies, there is even a treaty, what is international law, obligations, you know? So, this should not be confused with crime and the corruption of our Ministry of Internal Affairs. Following your logic, we directly have to repeat the 90s, the times of such kitchen geniuses are over, so it looks like sclerosis in you. Other thoughts do not come to mind that it is necessary to somehow solve such problems without creating new ones at their borders?
I don’t even want to answer something to this set of words anymore, you still don’t understand.

Obligations to fight for your "ally" on someone else's territory and for someone else's territory? Again Armenian logic?

[suhorukofal]

Did the Armenians do something indecent to you? Straight through the resentment and nothing is said in the case

[Scorpio05]

Quote: suhorukofal

Did the Armenians do something indecent to you? Straight through the resentment and nothing is said in the case

I do not know where it comes through and why, but try to apply the logic as intended. Maybe they did something obscene to the Armenians not so long ago and they were offended (hence the comments like yours) that none of their patrons are fighting for lands belonging to Azerbaijan (which the Armenians really liked) while they are having fun in Moscow and Sochi? Isn't that an option?)

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Karos

This is called developed multiculturalism - when

Multiculturalism praised by rootless cosmopolitans only leads to the genocide of the Russian people.
This is what multinationals are doing in our country:

https://t.me/mnogonazi/6657

"Anatoly Grudistov, who was sentenced by multinational justice to eight years for the murder of an illegal migrant from Azerbaijan who tried to rape a Russian girl, wrote an open letter to Putin, the prosecutor general and governor of the Ivanovo region ..."

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Comrade Kim

Quote: Karos

This is called developed multiculturalism - when

Multiculturalism praised by rootless cosmopolitans only leads to the genocide of the Russian people.
This is what multinationals are doing in our country:

https://t.me/mnogonazi/6657

"Anatoly Grudistov, who was sentenced by multinational justice to eight years for the murder of an illegal migrant from Azerbaijan who tried to rape a Russian girl, wrote an open letter to Putin, the prosecutor general and governor of the Ivanovo region ..."

Lying is not good, dear. Another bot of unknown (unknown?) Nationality. I asked a little, your comment is very similar to the work of typical trolls, and very primitive ones. There is nothing in the investigation materials about an alleged attempt to rape a girl.
From the words of the accused (by the way, he looks like a typical murderer, but not for me to judge) they write that: "He (Grudistov) just wanted to intercede for a friend of a friend who was offended by the deceased, and take her home." Source: https://www.ivanovonews.ru/reports/1089071/
Even Ivanovsky, accused of murdering Grudistov, did not claim that someone was raped there. Everyone knows what killers have to say in their defense. It's good that he didn't say that as Captain America saved the world. Well, you shamelessly lie, and even off topic and out of place. Slander is also an attempt to incite hatred on a national basis, moreover, just a sneaky denunciation. Oh, you love this thing)

[Azimuth]

Quote: Egoza

Quote: Tank Hard

The logic is strange. After all, Azerbaijan is not content with weapons exclusively of its own production, but actively purchases them abroad, including in Turkey and Israel.

Absolutely.

Here in another topic they discussed India, they say they are such times.
So if they also bought weapons from the Russian Federation, it would be cheaper. It's a shame, I guess! Well, who made a bet on whom, if Turkey and Israel are dearer to them, then the Russian Federation will not dissuade, but no matter how they wash away with burning tears.

In Turkey and Israel, Azerbaijan buys those systems that we simply do not have and will not appear in the foreseeable future.
Azerbaijan acquired the same attack drones from Israel and produced them under license much earlier than the Turks had their Bayraktars. Yes, and we bought the SEARCHER UAV from Israel and started their production as an Outpost later than Azerbaijan.
We have a sad situation with Azerbaijan, on the one hand there is a Russian-speaking and focused on us Ilham Aliyev, dozens of Russian schools, in Baku you can freely apply in Russian, as the majority understands and speaks, on the other hand, because of Armenia, we ourselves constantly push Azerbaijan away ...
In addition, when they leave us for military-technical cooperation, it is not they who wash away with flammable tears, but it is we who lose money and the workload of our enterprises, funds for research and development, etc. The point is not cheapness, they are not a member of the CSTO, we sell them all weapons at world prices.
For example, only Azerbaijan bought the Vena self-propelled guns from us, which existed only in a couple of samples, that is, it came to us, what was there and how we managed to screw it, but in the end Azerbaijan left us and bought mortars on a wheeled chassis from the same Israel. What have we gained from this?

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Vlad1

Here one comrade heart-rendingly declared that the Turks did not fight for Azerbaijan, but the other day Aliyev awarded the Turkish pilots who participated in this war.

For Azerbaijan, whatever one may say, NATO members fought, and Armenians fought for Armenia.

Turkish F-16s remained at their airfield throughout the war, flew to the exercises just before the start of the war and were left there. If our aviation entered the war on the side of the Armenians, the Turks would substitute, and an attack on a Turkish fighter, this attack on Turkey, gives it the right to block the Bosphorus for us. The Armenians, of course, went out of their way so that we entered the war with Azerbaijan on their side, or rather fought for them, but nothing came of it. At the same time, Turkish fighters did not take a direct part in the war.
This war was negotiated, Azerbaijan started it not without our consent and agreements with Turkey, plus the Turks acted as guarantors and arbiters for Azerbaijan with these planes. So the Turkish flyers received medals or what they were awarded with, for being ready to substitute, with all the consequences for them, and not for participating in hostilities.

Quote: sen

Russian military specialists visit Yerevan to discuss the modernization of the armed forces of Armenia

And who will pay for it?

Obviously, the Armenians do not have money, we will put everything on credit, but at the same time our enterprises will work, our people will receive salaries.