Vladimir Putin: The absence of a peace treaty between Russia and Japan is nonsense

The absence of a peace treaty between Russia and Japan is nonsense, Moscow and Tokyo are still interested in its conclusion. This was announced by Russian President Vladimir Putin at the plenary session of the Eastern Economic Forum.

The Russian leader stressed that Russia is striving to conclude a peace treaty with Japan, and the provisions of the Russian Constitution on the non-alienation of territories cannot be an obstacle to its conclusion. Moscow and Tokyo are striving to normalize relations and a peace treaty should be concluded.

We believe that the absence of such a document in our relationship is nonsense.

- he said.

According to Putin, Russia does not refuse to conclude a peace treaty with Japan, but Tokyo is constantly changing the terms of its signing. In turn, Russia needs guarantees that American missiles will not be deployed near Russian borders, but Japan cannot guarantee this, preferring to remain silent.

These questions were posed to the Japanese side, we have not received answers yet, so I believe that in this sense the ball is on the side of our partners

- he said, adding that it is necessary to respect the results of the Second World War, enshrined in international documents.

Recall that Japan makes one of the conditions for concluding a peace treaty with Russia the transfer of four islands of the southern Kuril ridge to it: Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai. In turn, Russia insists that these islands are sovereign Russian territory and this is not discussed.

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[Flooding]

Vladimir Vladimirovich, what do you suggest?
Press down?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Flood

Vladimir Vladimirovich, what do you suggest?
Press down?

And option 2, either do not give anything and constantly chat about the need for an agreement, or give the poison in exchange for a piece of paper - neither

[BABAY22]

It is not entirely clear, but if the Japs say mamayklyanus - no missiles ne budet wai. What can you sign and transfer?

[hrych]

Quote: BABAY22

Not quite clear

[For example]

Quote: Vol4ara

And option 2, either do not give anything and constantly chat about the need for an agreement, or give the poison in exchange for a piece of paper - neither

There is another option.
The Americans applied it to the Japanese. It worked. It still works.

In our case, we need to connect to Russia even the territories that previously belonged to us.

The Japanese only understand strength. However, like everyone else.

Whatever the Japanese demand, they need to be made to fear losing something.

Break your leg and bring oranges and flowers to the hospital room.

[Uncle lee]

I would like to congratulate you on the Victory Day over Japan! Celebrations and fireworks in Kholmsk

[Kisa]

Quote from Uncle Lee

events and fireworks

if you are from there, then you probably notice the population is rapidly decreasing in the Far East and in the Primorye of Sakhalin in particular ... okay, these zamadovskie bawlers are patriots, but you give a report that in 50-100 years there will be no one left ...
Well, neither a hectare nor a mortgage is working - they are running - there are no prospects ... Vova has now announced Vladivostok will be the first city of a millionaire in Primorye)))) when a third escaped .... in short, the Far East needs critical investment ... a bridge from Sakhalin bridge enterprises are needed from Hokaido ... Vova is not just pedaling this topic again and again, and Mishustin is already glad to share it ... if only they invested ... if they give a price tag if the 7th fleet is removed, then the issue will be resolved ..

[Uncle lee]

Quote: kitty

if you are from there

I was just from there ..... Friends left for the mainland - darkness! And strangers too ... Everyone moved to Krasnodar and Kaliningrad ... First class in Krasnodar are numbered from A to Z! In addition to E, B, B and Sh .... Well, traditionally, before the elections, about the bridge to Sakhalin! I've been hearing about this for over 30 years .... It's all sad.

[Joker62]

That's for sure! Completely forgotten with the crap from EdimRussia and their henchmen ...
And so, Happy Holiday of those war veterans, who defeated Japan!

[Machito]

Shish them, not the islands. On the maps of Catherine the Great, Hokkaido - Russian Land.

[Joker62]

Indeed, the constitution says that not a single five lands of the sovirentet of Russia is possible. It's too late for Japanese mother to drink sake, when the train left long ago back in the 50s ...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Vol4ara

And option 2, either do not give anything and constantly chat about the need for an agreement, or give the poison in exchange for a piece of paper - neither

They do not protect themselves from missiles with papers.
There is only one option: not to give, and not to talk.

[Flooding]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

There is only one option: not to give, and not to talk.

Nuuu, you can chat.
but in a completely different place.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vol4ara

Press down?

I propose the "Crimean version" with the island of Hokkaido. "Little green men", they are. Once, and Hokkaido is ours. The Japanese, looking at Ukraine, should think about it. Don't make the bear angry again.

[El Barto]

Oh well. First, count our troops in the Far East, the composition of the Pacific Fleet. Compare with the composition of Japan's Maritime and Ground Self-Defense Forces.

There were already in 1904 screamers about "throwing hats over cross-eyed monkeys"

[orionvitt]

Quote: El Barto

There were already screamers in 1904

Remember the Tatar-Mongol. However, the memory of the "unkilled" Kwantung army, which ours ruined in two weeks, emerges in memory. Learn history.

[El Barto]

What are the Tatar-Mongols? The Japanese simply outnumber our troops in the Far East. The only thing that keeps them from simply taking the islands is the PLA at their side.
Disengage the Kwantung army if you have the armies of Berlin to take and Vasilevsky to command. Tuvan jacket is it going to fight? So he was going to build cities in Siberia

[orionvitt]

Quote: El Barto

Tuvan jacket is it going to fight?

Boy, victim of the exam, go learn. Juvenile "".

[Finches]

Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai need to be saturated with offensive weapons and troops, including tactical nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles, so that the Japanese will burn up! And there is a contract, there is no contract - do not care!

[Ingvar 72]

Here, Zhenya, I absolutely agree with you!

[credo]

Quote: Finches

Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai need to be saturated with offensive weapons and troops, including tactical nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles, so that the Japanese will burn up! And there is a contract, there is no contract - do not care!

Why do this if there are completely different means of delivery of serious military products that can get Japan from the mainland.
Another thing is that the Japanese themselves drove themselves into a trap from which they now cannot get out, demanding that the Russian islands be handed over in exchange for a piece of paper that means nothing to us.

[for]

Quote: Finches

saturate with offensive weapons and troops,

I don’t know how it is now, but at 79 we stood at Iturup’s house and exchanged a bag of cereal for 10 bags of pink salmon caviar.

[Finches]

And now it's the same ... There, in general, time has frozen in some places!

[knn54]

-but in Tokyo the terms of its signing are constantly changing.
Maybe not in Tokyo?

[Gardamir]

Here the chernvm is written on the monitor. A peace treaty is needed, and a constitution will not hurt to give up the islands.

[Zaurbek]

With the repetition of 1991 ... The Japs will undertake a forceful seizure.

[URAL72]

Even in 1991, the nuclear triad served us well. In the event of an attack, the military would take power on the same day. Considering the vulnerability of Japanese territory, I think even in 1991 they sat quietly as mice, if only it would blow ... But there is really nothing to discuss here. 75 years have cost, we will wait another 75 years. This agreement is more important to them - they lose many opportunities for profitable investments, although large business is well represented in our country, even better than the Chinese one. Considering the problems of the West with China, the excess of Chinese salaries over Russian ones, imported raw materials, the transfer of production from China to Russia no longer seems fantastic. But the sanctions are in the way.

[Alexga]

We have lived so many years without a Treaty and nothing, the sun did not shine less. Confused by conversations about joint affairs in the development of the islands. Japan has nothing to do there. Give them a finger, they will want to grab your hand to the elbow.

[Doccor18]

Quote: AlexGa

Japan has nothing to do there.

The Japanese have nothing to do there, but we have a lot of things. You will drive away from any regional center km. at 60, and "Iturup" begins ...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: AlexGa

We have lived so many years without a Treaty and nothing, the sun did not shine less. Confused by conversations about joint affairs in the development of the islands. Japan has nothing to do there. Give them a finger, they will want to grab your hand to the elbow.

Yes, they do. Some kind of creep.

[out of habit]

How can a vassal Japan guarantee anything?
It is necessary to gut with the overlord ...

[Rostislav]

What to talk about? on what terms to give the island, or what?
There is nothing to talk about with them.

[out of habit]

Read the article. I'm talking about rockets.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

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-Japan, with the support of the Soviet Union, became a member of the UN, signed and ratified the Charter of the organization, which contains Article 107, which states that all the results of World War II are inviolable.

-The war between the USSR and Japan was completed on September 2, 1945 by the signing by the Japanese of an act of unconditional surrender.

-The state of war was officially terminated on October 19, 1956, when a joint Declaration was signed: "The state of war between the USSR and Japan ceases from the date of entry into force of this Declaration, and peace and good-neighborly friendly relations are restored between them."

-The Kuril Islands came under the control of the USSR as a result of World War II, which was stipulated in the Cairo Declaration of 1943, the Potsdam Declaration of 1945, as well as in the 1951 peace treaty signed in San Francisco.

-Japan unconditionally recognized the Potsdam and Cairo Declarations and signed the act of surrender in 1945. And in 1951, the Japanese abandoned their claims to the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin.

---
"Constitution of the Russian Federation"

(adopted by popular vote on 12.12.1993 with amendments approved during a nationwide vote on 01.07.2020)

Article 67,2.1-

- "The Russian Federation ensures the protection of its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions, are not allowed."

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Salmon tail splashed on the wave

The islands disappeared in the fog

They will not return

Deal with Nihon ...

© V.V. Vorontsov Islands of the Rising Sun of Russia

***

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

**
Having rammed the Japanese spirit,
Hero-People won!
And in the Pacific
We finished the hike ...

You need to know and remember this,
They and us, you and me,
Like the Kwantung armada
Millions of people
Defeated in ten days!
We were stronger here too ...

This is how it ended
Forgotten war! ..
---
M. Nozhkin
***

[Uncle lee]

Well, how much can you repeat? !!!

[Sands Careers General]

Fuck them, not the Kuriles. Because it is not the Japanese who want it, but the Yankees.
While Japan is occupied, there is no need to talk about a peace treaty.

[kind]

Russia needs guarantees that American missiles will not be deployed near Russian borders, but Japan cannot guarantee this, preferring to remain silent.

They keep silent because Japan is one big US base. It is de facto occupied by the states.

[edmed]

No, well, with what stubbornness you have to beat the closed gates, you have lost the war, you have lost, the proposed peace treaty has not been signed, has not been signed, come off the beach! Bow down to our feet, and we'll see, but no, for once, begging for "well, sign", the campaign is going on, as with dual citizenship - "circumstances of irresistible force have arisen", so he will say to us - "I ask you to understand, but the islands will have to give away "

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There is such a principle in game theory, called the principle of compressed spring. So, in the Russo-Japanese War, with the help of the British, Japan got too much, much is impermissible and not in accordance with its status and capabilities. So why be surprised now that the recoil of the compressed spring was so strong and painful? We got what we deserved, the Kuril Islands now belong to Russia, finally and irrevocably. And it makes no difference whether it is enshrined in a peace treaty or not. A peace treaty is needed to end the war, but now it is no longer needed.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

Why does Russia need this peace treaty?
Are there fighting and people dying? -- NO
Lacking diplomatic relations? - NO
No economic relations - NO
If anyone in Japan "swears by his father" to return the islands, it is their samurai business. Someone, because of the failure to fulfill the promise to return the islands, made himself a hara-kiri - NO.
Does VVP need to worry about the Japanese "fooling around" - NO
ps Japan was at war with Montenegro for 102 years from 1904 to 2006. So Russia can safely wait for the signing of a peace treaty until 2047, i.e. at least another 27 years. If they don’t sign it, we can wait another 100 years after the withdrawal of American troops from the Japanese islands.

[mark1]

The absence of a peace treaty between Russia and Japan is nonsense

This is not nonsense, this is a nuance ...

[Rostislav]

In what ways does the absence of a treaty infringe on Russia and why does it not worry Japan? What prevents us from firmly declaring that the islands are ours, their ownership is not discussed in principle.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Rostislav

In what ways does the absence of a treaty infringe on Russia and why does it not worry Japan? What prevents us from firmly declaring that the islands are ours, their ownership is not discussed in principle.

Probably when a peace treaty is there it is better. Because when a policy is developed between states, it is taken into account. Although the presence or absence of such a treaty cannot guarantee or exclude hostile political action. The mere existence of such an agreement implies that hostile actions should be excluded in politics. A peace treaty is good.

What does not suit us in relations with Japan is
1. the presence of restrictions on trade.
The so-called sanctions, we would probably be interested in high-tech goods, electronic components, industrial equipment, technological lines for the chemical industry, materials (composites)

2. the presence of NATO military bases in Japan.

3. General hostile rhetoric from Japan.

4. Most likely there is a variety of tension in the work at the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The absence of a peace treaty makes it difficult to resolve these problems.

If there was a peace treaty, it would not have solved the most important points 1 and 2.
Perhaps there would have been an improvement in points 3 and 4.

So why are the negotiations being held?

There are two extreme states in this matter:
- availability of a contract
- no contract

But there may be an intermediate one:
- signing of an agreement at the negotiation stage.

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Most likely, this third state under the peace treaty is convenient for the Japanese leadership and was convenient for us. Which does not exclude the possibility that soon the Japanese and I will collapse on this issue, since we will refuse to discuss the transfer of the islands in principle. And then we'll sit down to negotiate a peace treaty again with a different list of questions. It seems to me it is going to this.

[steelmaker]

"but Tokyo is constantly changing the terms of its signing"
Japan does not need this, but why should Putin? There are no more problems in Russia! It remains only to conclude a peace treaty with Japan. And how will this affect the well-being of Russian citizens? Wages will increase, pensions, jobs will be created, fresh fish will appear, and not a hundred times frozen, people from the Far East will stop leaving, etc. ????
"Why is Putin of Mother History valuable?
1 - at the request of the United States, closed both Russian intelligence centers in Cuba and Vietnam, Lourdes and Kamran. Russia received up to 2001% of intelligence information. In the same year, Mir was tired, which provided up to 70% of all intelligence information.
2. 2001 - Abolished the progressive tax of 35% for the rich and raised the people from 12 to 13%.
3. I gave 8 islands to China with a total area of ​​395 sq. Km.
4. 2009 - gave 80 thousand sq. km. The Barents Sea of ​​Norway.
5.2011 - he gave 2 million hectares of land in the Trans-Baikal Territory for 49 years to China, for deforestation and the fertile soil layer, for which he made a visa-free regime for the Chinese.
6 2011 - gave Finland the island of Small Vysotsky near St. Petersburg.
7. 2012 Putin signed an agreement on Russia's accession to the WTO, according to which Russia undertakes to destroy and not further develop its industry, but to supply only raw materials to the world market at the cheapest prices.
8. 2018 - raised the retirement age by 5 years, taking away from each Russian at least 1 million rubles.
9. I gave the US $ 500 billion of budget money at 2% per annum, and immediately took a loan from them at 6% !!!!!
10. For 20 years, raised the rent 20 times!
11. and so on.

[syndicalist]

That's it! China was given for 49 years, and in fact it is irrevocably half of Siberia, and here we are groaning about the islets. Let's get there, damn it, to the Sino-Finnish border.
Japan is our only natural ally in countering Chinese expansion. And good relations with her are a priority of relations with any other country, including the United States, Europe, Ukraine or Belarus.

[Machnamh]

Quote: syndicalist

prioritizing relations with any other country, including the USA, Europe, Ukraine or Belarus

What do you think, through which countries will the Russian Federation be able to replenish its population with the European race? First of all, probably from Ukraine and Belarus. This is even better, there is generally a Slavic population ... It is much more difficult to bring South African Boers to the Far East. But the synanthropic-Japanese race from Japan-China is like death there, isn't it?

[Andobor]

Putin trolled the Japanese, - Japan is an occupied country, it makes no sense to sign something with it, you can only negotiate with the occupiers.

[Evil 55]

But the Soviet Union was absolutely all the same about a peace treaty with Japan ... For they understood that any transfer of the islands would immediately move the Matrastan bases closer to our borders under any far-fetched pretext.

[Ross xnumx]

Vladimir Putin: The absence of a peace treaty between Russia and Japan is nonsense

Yes, this is not nonsense. Something is wrong? Japanese Army in the Far East? No. Japanese aviation inflicts missile strikes on "pro-Chinese formations" located on the territory of the Russian Federation? No. Yes, to hell with them. Here is the opinion of a former Russian diplomat:

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Well, if you have nothing to do, help your friends from Israel to conclude a peace treaty with Syria. Perhaps it will become calmer there ...

[KJIETyc]

Quote: out of habit

Read the article. I'm talking about rockets.

Another goldfish with a memory around the day? How is Iran's nuclear deal? RIAC?

[Roadpatrol]

This agreement is not needed. His absence did not prevent us from trading and cooperating with Japan, not in the days of the USSR, not now. The Japanese side must make it clear that the islands are ours and point, and not around the bush, remembering about 2 islands under Khrushchev, supposedly promised, they need a formal piece of paper about peace with the winner, let's sign but you won't see the islands, regardless of whether you have on the territory of the US base or not.

[vetirinar]

Taxes are abolished in the Kuril Islands, a decree was issued today .. They are trying to attract people to OUR territories!

[Normann]

American bases - out, then talk.

[Sergey3]

For that, you don't need to declare war, you can bomb right away.

[Far]

Vladimir Putin: The absence of a peace treaty between Russia and Japan is nonsense

I would continue Putin's words ..
No matter how Japan becomes a continuation of the Kuril Islands (just kidding, but ..)))))
They owe us the gold of the Russian Empire with interest, Kolchakovskoe, etc. It is lost and where we know perfectly well .. And where did Japan suddenly become so strong before World War II!

[Nychego]

Since the time of Peter the Great, Russia has not had a peace treaty with Sweden following the results of the Seven Years War, hasn't it, Vladimir Vladimirich? This is also nonsense ... or an incident ... or simply ignorance of the "national leader".

[zloybond]

in Japan it is no longer customary to say that they were bombed by US nuclear weapons. Schoolchildren already consider the bombings to be the work of the USSR ... And here it is not to promise accommodation - well, sorry, Mr. President - this is definitely a mission not feasible.

[riwas]

As long as Japan is under US control, such an agreement is simply an unnecessary piece of paper.

[hector]

We believe that the absence of such a document in our relationship is nonsense.

The loser dictates the terms to the one to whom he lost, of course it's nonsense. Obviously, something is amiss at the conservatory.