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Is Vietnam the New “Unsinkable US Carrier” in the Region?

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Is Vietnam the New “Unsinkable US Carrier” in the Region? At present, the geopolitical situation is characterized by the fact that the United States is losing the status of the sole superpower and has been replaced by many real and potential regional power centers. Several centers of power, such as Russia, China, India, Japan and Germany, have the prerequisites for leading a successful global game. Other centers of power prefer to concentrate their efforts purely within their region. At the same time, they can use the opportunities offered by cooperation with the powers of global importance and regional level to expand their influence and strengthen their positions.

One of such regional powers that are in the process of becoming is Vietnam. In many ways, the growth of the power of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (Vietnam) is associated with the global interests of Washington. The US is concerned about the situation in the Asia-Pacific region and is extremely interested in the emergence of new tools to contain a regional player with global ambitions - Celestial. It is necessary to note the interest of India to Vietnam, Delhi is also looking for allies to counter the growing expansion of China.

Vietnam in 1 th. er for long periods was ruled by China. The Chinese administration, with varying degrees of intensity and success, introduced Chinese culture in Vietnamese territory, including the state. Therefore, in the Vietnamese political culture firmly entered two key concepts - Celestial and Son of Heaven. Vietnam even tried to create his own empire, the Celestial Empire, having conquered the neighboring state of Champu (South Vietnam). The influence of the culture of Chinese civilization on Vietnam has survived to some extent to the present day. So, in recent decades, the Vietnamese, in fact, repeated the experience of Chinese market reforms.

Among the factors that contribute to the development of the Vietnamese potential are the following:

- Favorable geopolitical and geographical position of the country. The country is very advantageously located, it has the opportunity to interact with the United States, India, China, Russia, and neighboring countries. The extensive seacoast, which is located near important communications, contributes to the economic development of Vietnam. In the coastal Vietnamese areas, by analogy with the experience of the PRC, it is possible to build a significant number of modern enterprises producing products for export, which contributes to a reduction in production and logistics costs. It is necessary to take into account the presence of large, relatively cheap labor resources.

- A significant number of Vietnamese communities that are engaged in an active economic life in neighboring countries, in particular, in Laos, Thailand and Cambodia. Large communities in the United States (more than 1 million), France, Canada and Australia.

- Stable political system in the country, which is able not only to work for the good of Vietnam, but also to perform the function of a “core” and a leader in regional relations. Vietnam can effectively represent the interests of the states of Indochina in the international arena. The stability of the Vietnamese political system, especially against the background of instability in a number of neighboring countries, contributes to the growth of the attractiveness of the Socialist Republic, the Vietnamese development model. The stability of Vietnam is of great importance for the United States. Washington has long relied on friendly Thailand, which also traditionally tried to act as a center of power for Laos and Cambodia. However, the Kingdom of Thailand, despite its active investment in Indochina, has lost its role as a potential leader in the region, due to the constant coups and political instability. In addition, Hanoi is ready to take formal steps towards the "development of democracy" in the country, which allows Washington to support the "developing in the right direction" country. The stability of Vietnam is also important for Western investors, businessmen, it is more important for them to have a loyal tough system, and not politically squabbling.

- The rapid growth of the economy and population of Vietnam increase the weight of the country in the international arena.

- The interest of external players in Vietnam, their political and economic support, mutually beneficial cooperation. Among them are the USA, India, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, a key regional organization - ASEAN. Yes, and China prefers to establish profitable economic contacts with Vietnam, and not to clash.

- The countries of the region are not able to independently resolve a wide range of problems, including drug trafficking, the fight against piracy, organized crime, and smugglers. A stable and strong Vietnam can lead the countries of the region to address these important challenges.

- The constant growth of the power of the armed forces of Vietnam. The stable development of the economy allows Hanoi to buy modern weapons, and create a small but modern and fairly strong regional fleet that protects the interests of Vietnam in the South China Sea. Russia plays an important role in the Vietnam armament process. Several significant contracts for the supply of aircraft, surface ships, submarines, and rocket complexes have been executed and are in the process of implementation.

The United States has vast experience in using the strength and resources of other countries to solve its problems. In particular, the project of the Third Reich was conceived not in Germany itself, but in the USA (partially in England). The Second World War allowed a terrible blow to Germany (a possible leader of the Western project), to establish full control in Western Europe, put the UK in a subordinate position, defeat Japan and make it a vassal, to bleed the Red Project. And most of the work was done by someone else. At present, the masters of the West are leading the world towards a new full-scale war, where North America and Australia should remain the “islands of security”. The role of the Third Reich should be played by China and the Islamic world (the “Great Caliphate”). Currently, there is a kind of “new 1930s” in the yard, Islamic countries are pumping weaponsradical sentiments are being fomented on, Islamists are being handed over one country after another.

Modern China is in many ways similar to the German Empire. Its industrial power was created thanks to Western corporations. Strategic maritime communications are vulnerable. China is dependent on energy supplies. The country is surrounded by quite strong historical rivals (including Vietnam). At present, the creation of two coalitions in the Asia-Pacific region can be distinguished quite clearly. The first is the Celestial Empire and its allies. The second is the United States and its “first line of defense” (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines). Vietnam is also actively included in this group. Washington is not interested in a direct clash with China, it is more advantageous to link it with a series of cross-border conflicts with neighbors (including Russia).

Vietnam is China’s traditional rival in the region, and in its history it has suffered not only defeats, but also won victories over a more powerful neighbor. Hanoi is currently opposed to the spread of Chinese influence in Indochina, since its very existence depends on it. The Vietnamese elite does not want the transformation of Vietnam in the province of China.

It is very important for turning Vietnam into the leading regional power of the American factor. Vietnam is interesting to Washington, as a country that can not claim to be important at the global level. In addition, the Vietnamese model of the economy has a lot of similarities with the Chinese one, its reforming proceeded along similar lines, this allows us to avoid mistakes. Hanoi can get access to production and management technologies that the US is not going to share with China. In 2009, the United States became the main investors in the Vietnamese economy. From 2000 to 2008, 2010, the United States did not become the leaders in investing in the NRW economy. The first places were occupied by Japan, Malaysia, South Korea, Taiwan, Holland. However, almost all of these countries follow Washington’s policies and strengthen their investment in Vietnam and undermine China’s position in Indochina. Vietnam, using cooperation with the United States and developed countries of Europe and Asia, increases the country's competitiveness in the global market, has already significantly increased labor productivity and the overall quality of labor resources in the country. Much work is being done to expand cooperation in the field of education. In addition, Vietnam and the United States establish regular ties in the military sphere. Hanoi asked the US to lift restrictions on the export of American weapons to Vietnam.

In the future, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam may become another American "unsinkable aircraft carrier" in the region, like Japan. Currently, multilateral cooperation with Vietnam is a key US priority in the region. Vietnam has every chance to become an important figure in the Big Game.
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  1. INTER
    INTER 10 September 2012 08: 37
    +7
    I wonder how the United States hated the communist countries, and now it supports them, hypocrites, nothing to say) yes
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 September 2012 09: 19
      +3
      Quote: INTER
      I wonder how the United States hated the communist countries, and now it supports them, hypocrites, nothing to say)

      The USA treated this way only because there were communists in the USSR, only the reason was Russia, the amers had no other reasons. If the Communists were in power today, the Amers would again play the same game.
      1. spender
        spender 10 September 2012 09: 26
        +5
        Somehow this is at variance with the recent statement by the head of Vietnam that Vietnam will not tolerate the presence of foreign military bases on its territory ...
        Of course, this could be another "eastern trick" and a bone was thrown, for which it was proposed to "fight", bribing the owner along the way. Ours are already allocating a multi-billion dollar loan, building nuclear power plants in Vietnam, we are waiting for what America will offer ... winked
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 September 2012 09: 32
          +6
          Quote: spender
          Somehow this is at variance with a recent statement by the head of Vietnam

          Alexei, what’s wrong? Normal political venality of a modern politician hi
          1. spender
            spender 10 September 2012 09: 41
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            and what’s wrong? Normal political venality of a modern politician

            No, everything is fine, any high-ranking politician striving to derive benefits for his country, using the political and economic situation, neighbors and the country's position ...
            Sometimes small countries manage to play a "big role" in politics, sometimes they are "exchanged", but then, as the chip falls ... winked
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 10 September 2012 09: 51
              +2
              Quote: spender
              Sometimes small countries manage to play a "big role" in politics, sometimes they are "exchanged", but then, as the chip falls

              Sometimes what And which of the small countries have not been exchanged with the exception of Israel laughing
              1. spender
                spender 10 September 2012 09: 53
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And which of the small countries have not been exchanged with the exception of Israel

                Ватикан laughing Switzerland wink , just the rich people appointed "a capital safety island on the planet Earth" laughing
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 10 September 2012 10: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: spender
                  Vatican Switzerland

                  Well, for now it’s beneficial to have them in their interests, although recalling how the amers pressed Switzerland to give out a list of US citizens who have bank accounts and suppressed Switzerland, we delete them from the list bully Vatican - VAC, but Monaco is also a type of country wink
                  1. spender
                    spender 10 September 2012 10: 03
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Monaco is also a type of country

                    Principality, essentially world Las Vegas laughing
                2. igor67
                  igor67 10 September 2012 10: 09
                  +2
                  spender,
                  hi everyone, I didn’t go into details of Vietnam’s economy, in 88 245 crocodile machines were repaired for them, they didn’t fly on them (they said that the Vietnamese were bleeding from the nose), in short, all the harnesses (wiring) were bitten by mice, now judging in our factory we get green coffee from Vietnam, we use about 100 tons of green coffee in a week — the price per ton is somewhere 2000 bucks, after oil we got the second place, we get a good amount, They remembered Vietnam, most likely as opposed to China, if at the end 70s Vietnam was able to stand up for itself (not only with the amers) in a conflict with China, the modern is unlikely to be able to,
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 10 September 2012 10: 40
                    0
                    Quote: igor67
                    coffee price per tonne somewhere 2000baksov, after oil second place in profit, it turns out a good amount,

                    Hi Igor, well, it’s straight so yes what I advise you to cultivate coffee plantations. Connect Trangira, there is a theme - money smelled laughing
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 10 September 2012 10: 44
                      +2
                      Alexander Romanov,
                      as far as I remember, GDRs used to have plantations there, and the coffee business, the very profitable Nestle Corporation, has a net income of about 80 billion dollars per year (I can roast coffee in share, only in tones) drinks
                    2. Karish
                      Karish 10 September 2012 10: 48
                      -1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      I advise you to cultivate coffee plantations. Connect Trangira, there is a theme - money smelled

                      The supply of coffee beans 177470 rubles a ton. Grains: top grade arabica Jacobs Kronung Packing: Bags 30 kg. Green grains: $ 5870 per ton

                      Good luck bully
                3. REPA1963
                  REPA1963 10 September 2012 21: 05
                  0
                  The Vatican is Papa, and Berne is neutral.
            2. borisst64
              borisst64 10 September 2012 10: 27
              +1
              Quote: spender
              Sometimes small countries manage to play a "big role" in politics,


              Population 90,5 million people
              GDP (at 2010) 276 billion dollars (42 place in the world)

              Not such a small country.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 10 September 2012 10: 37
                +2
                Quote: borisst64

                Population 90,5 million people
                GDP (at 2010) 276 billion dollars (42 place in the world)

                Japan 130 millions and an ode from the first economies of the world, but as they were under amers, they remain. It is not in the number of population and GDP, but in the fact that one country can oppose another in the modern world.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 11 September 2012 00: 10
            0
            A huge headache is ripening near Vietnam, which already caused concern in 1979. And against this pain you need a new ally
        2. INTER
          INTER 10 September 2012 14: 34
          0
          By the way, we once had a naval base there. Maybe it will be restored and transferred, it would not be bad. good
      2. pavlo
        pavlo 10 September 2012 16: 12
        0
        The Communists have nothing to do with it here — it's a rotten product that they constantly use under the guise of introducing their so-called

        democracy, there are huge quantities of minerals, including oil, very cheap!
    2. Purgen
      Purgen 10 September 2012 09: 23
      0
      Al-Qaeda can be mentioned in the same context. Amers are ready to make a deal with even the devil, even with the devil, do not give a damn about absolutely everything and at all. To achieve with the preservation of their own power. Vietnam is a local example of a bitch American essence.
      1. Kostyar
        Kostyar 10 September 2012 19: 43
        -2
        They had already made a deal with the devil, so they lost at the start ...
    3. Karish
      Karish 10 September 2012 09: 54
      +2
      Quote: INTER
      I wonder how the United States hated the communist countries, and now it supports them, hypocrites, nothing to say)

      No friends . there are interests. The United States does not matter whether they are called hypocrites or not, the main goal has been achieved. The USA is fixed in Vietnam.
      In general, such an exaltation of Mr. Lavrov is not understandable; it is necessary to manage to lose all friends in the Arab world and in southeast Asia in 15 years.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 September 2012 09: 58
        +2
        Quote: Karish
        Well it is necessary to manage to lose all friends in 15 years as in the Arab world

        Where did you see your friends?
        1. spender
          spender 10 September 2012 10: 35
          +1
          The US is actively shoving missile defense facilities around the world, here
          In August, it became known that elements of missile defense - early warning radars - will appear in Japan and the Philippines.

          A little earlier US announces intention to deploy military base on Australian continent. At the same time, the White House did not hide the fact that he considers China to be the main threat in the region. In particular, as the American leader Barack Obama stated then, the United States and small Asian states have long been concerned that Beijing is making territorial claims on islands in the South China Sea. Washington considers this area to be strategically important, as merchant ships pass through it in the USA every year, the cost of which reaches $ 1,2 billion.

          At the same time, observers did not exclude that as a result, Russia and China will join forces to solve the problem with the American missile defense. “In terms of counteracting the deployment of the US missile defense system, China has significantly intensified cooperation with Russia. The deployment of a missile defense system in this region will find quite tough opposition from China, which It will be expressed in diplomatic demarches and will have some kind of practical implementation. For example, in the form of some kind of economic stocks, perhaps even sanctions, including in the form of intensifying the actions of the Chinese diaspora in the United States and other regions ”- noted in a conversation with the newspaper VZGLYAD, the vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Captain First Rank Konstantin Sivkov.


          After such statements, the growth of the Chinese diaspora really scares me
          in Russia and the Far East in particular ... recourse
        2. Karish
          Karish 10 September 2012 10: 42
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Where did you see your friends?

          And what then was Syria, Yugoslavia, Libya, so it was to break the spears.
          Interests must be protected, friends can be sold.
          1. Purgen
            Purgen 10 September 2012 22: 46
            0
            Karish plus you. For Syria. why are we fighting. It’s clear why. Libya themselves slipped, (more simply bursting) .. Yugi ??? Well Yugi and Yugi. Russia was not in shape. Tsar Boris did not wish (the kingdom to him be heaven) !! Something stopped him .. laughing
            Karish tries to emulate our old friend Churchill. No friends, interests. And Churchill is right. Interests come first. And I hope our leaders understand all this. I really hope so. .. There is money and there are interests. In foreign policy, snot is not appropriate. And cry about "oh, what radishes they did not observe this and that" this is "pisi orphan bassi" .. Correctly and rigidly calculated strategy, and its tough implementation. Based on available resources. Nothing else. The only way. And not otherwise.
        3. REPA1963
          REPA1963 10 September 2012 21: 08
          0
          Well, say associates.
      2. Vasily79
        Vasily79 10 September 2012 10: 34
        +2
        Quote: Karish
        The USA is fixed in Vietnam.

        I don’t know from where the author has such data, but the Americans only want and in Vietnam, Chinese capital prevails so that the states go to China like the moon and do not forget that now those people who directly participated in the fighting in Vietnam are in power and this is not forgotten.
        1. Storyteller
          Storyteller 10 September 2012 17: 41
          0
          I completely agree. The article is like a misinformation. This is the same as the Wehrmacht base in Russia. Nonsense!
      3. valokordin
        valokordin 10 September 2012 10: 47
        0
        Germany What are you talking about ?, with what Lavrov, everything goes according to plan, and the plan is written, and by whom? everyone knows. The USSR was destroyed, medals were issued to the CIA, and we also received Nobel prizes, not measured money and power. All soyuh allies sideways.
        1. curious
          curious 11 September 2012 12: 36
          0
          The article has a traditional beginning and an unexpected ending: the United States ceases to be a superpower, but it works very actively and allies with most countries in this region, strengthening economic ties, military cooperation and actively promoting the American way of life among the youth of these countries ...
          Can we already start "losing some statuses"?
  2. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 10 September 2012 08: 38
    +3
    It is doubtful that Vietnam will make an alliance with the United States. The historical memory of the Vietnamese people about the genocide of shit-democrats is too fresh.
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 10 September 2012 08: 49
      +1
      Most likely they will. They also do not belong to the Chinese with great love. And they, unlike the United States, are close by
      1. Redpartyzan
        Redpartyzan 10 September 2012 09: 24
        +1
        Hmm. After a regular visit to this site, a far-fetched picture arises before my eyes. The United States weaves its networks through ingenious intrigues in all regions of the globe with the aim of enriching itself and crushing potential rivals to achieve this goal of Russia and China first of all. I sincerely hope that the ingenious plans of the Anglo-Spots are not destined to come true.
        1. Mitzhel
          Mitzhel 10 September 2012 09: 34
          +3
          Intrigue? This is the economy in the first place. Vietnam needs to develop, investors to attract and sell products on the foreign market. If the United States is ready to buy these products, invest in the economy of Vietnam, and create jobs for ordinary Vietnamese, then this is good for Vietnam. Old grievances, old grievances but you have to live now ...
        2. DIMS
          DIMS 10 September 2012 10: 13
          +1
          For the United States, Russia among the likely opponents has long faded into the background. China and only China. Even graters with Iran are caused by the confrontation with China. From there, they get a huge share of energy consumed.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 11 September 2012 00: 13
            0
            Not even the second. On the third or fourth. The first is the Islamists, the second is China, which is gaining strength.
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 11 September 2012 01: 08
              0
              Wrong Islamists fighting not for US interests. The wrong terrorist becomes right after moving from Afghanistan to Syria.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 11 September 2012 00: 12
          0
          Intrigue is good. But everyone weaves them.
      2. Praetorian
        Praetorian 10 September 2012 10: 28
        +1
        The United States does not require much time, as we have already noticed, to be close to any country.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 11 September 2012 00: 14
          0
          And this, it is worth noting, is a very correct strategy.
    2. Purgen
      Purgen 10 September 2012 09: 25
      0
      The whole question. In the price of the issue. When under the ass is nothing more than a limited issue. You can print scammers as much as you like.
    3. Karish
      Karish 10 September 2012 09: 58
      +1
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      It is doubtful that Vietnam will make an alliance with the United States. The historical memory of the Vietnamese people about the genocide of the shit is too fresh.

      They are already there. Like in Cambodia (the same interesting past), and in Egypt they remained, despite the Islamic revolution, in Libya and Yugoslavia. Mrs. Clinton can be persuaded in different ways, but she is making progress.
      As for historical memory, remember Germany, here half of the site will lie on your stomach. that the Germans are cool and in general the Second World War is an annoying misunderstanding.
    4. borisst64
      borisst64 10 September 2012 10: 31
      +5
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      the historical memory of the Vietnamese people about the genocide of shit-democrats is too fresh.


      We also had a terrible war with Germany, and now we have quite good relations, especially since over the past 20 years the German population has greatly diluted with the Russian speakers.
    5. REPA1963
      REPA1963 10 September 2012 21: 13
      0
      And do not hesitate, sometimes there are such unions that the hair is on end. As in one famous film "you want to live, you will not be so rattled"
    6. curious
      curious 11 September 2012 12: 40
      +1
      Memory will always remain with the older generation, however, young people are slowly forgetting about it and want to live their own way. Yes, and pragmatism has not yet been canceled. Vietnam is actively striving forward, and the US really supports it more and more, but the question is - until what point will this continue
      1. Bismark
        Bismark 14 September 2012 15: 45
        0
        Ordinary defectors.
  3. vadimus
    vadimus 10 September 2012 08: 39
    +2
    Vietnam has long been in the spotlight of Russia. I hope it will remain so ...
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 10 September 2012 08: 56
      +3
      You live in the past. Objectively, Russia is not capable of protecting both Vietnam and India from China's growing power. So these countries are likely to go under the wing of the United States. Although I think that normal relations with Russia will continue
    2. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel 10 September 2012 09: 25
      +3
      It is enough to see who Vietnam has the main trading partners (on which it depends) and it becomes clear in whose area of ​​attention it is located. The United States has been there for a long time.
      1. curious
        curious 11 September 2012 12: 43
        0
        Mitzhel
        you are right, however, in addition to the economy, there is still active cooperation in the exchange of military specialists, which generally looks rather funny and unusual
  4. Dock
    Dock 10 September 2012 08: 54
    +2
    "... The Socialist Republic of Vietnam may become another American" unsinkable aircraft carrier ".
    It is unlikely that too many amers have blasphemed in Vietnam, and Russia, finally, is again returning to this region.
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel 10 September 2012 09: 28
      +1
      Vietnam wants to develop, trade, receive technology and investment. All this can be given to him by a limited number of countries. Russia will not even be in the top ten there ... The USA, China, Japan are the main ones there.
  5. Vanek
    Vanek 10 September 2012 09: 09
    +3
    “If a camel is a desert ship, then who is the gopher?”
    - The gopher is a small torpedo boat.
  6. Darck
    Darck 10 September 2012 09: 15
    +2
    Hanoi asked the United States to lift restrictions on the export of American weapons to Vietnam.
    Hanoi likes American guns smile I think they want a F-16 wink
    memory of the Vietnamese people about the genocide of shit-democratizers.
    Actually, these people fought with each other and the United States were on the sides, and on the side of the other the USSR, what kind of genocide are they talking about?
    1. Kshatriy
      Kshatriy 10 September 2012 09: 40
      +2
      Quote: Darck
      Actually, these people fought with each other and the United States were on the sides, and on the side of the other the USSR, what kind of genocide are they talking about?

      Yeah ..... this is the Soviet Union watered the jungle of South Vietnam with orange and napalm villages ??? It was the SSSSR who carried out carpet bombing of everything and all with cluster bombs .... maybe we helped the people of Vietnam destroy the pin-dos killers of children, women and the elderly? Yes, and I don’t remember that in the USSR they announced mobilization and called on our people to go to war in Vietnam .... The pin-dos got the well-deserved trendels out there - the vile killer, strangler, bastard, will always suffer the deserved punishment!
      1. Karish
        Karish 10 September 2012 10: 07
        0
        Quote: Kshatriya
        Yeah ..... this is the Soviet Union watered the jungle of South Vietnam with orange and napalm villages ??? This SSSSR carried out carpet bombing of all and all cluster bombs ....

        All States. unconditionally. The result is interesting now. Why they rushed under the wing to the States, and did not stay with their trusted ally Russia. Maybe Lavrov will explain. Why in the same Mongolia, which the USSR rebuilt, do not want to hear about Russia and everything has already been sold to the British and America with China? Maybe there are less grandmas in Russia. No . Apparently the problem is something else.
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 10 September 2012 10: 17
          +2
          Russia is weaker than the United States. And China’s neighbors have long feared its growing power, they need protection that Russia is unlikely to provide.
          1. Kshatriy
            Kshatriy 10 September 2012 11: 38
            0
            Quote: DIMS
            which Russia is unlikely to be able to provide.

            Is it in the spring of 1979 in April that Russia unworthily defended Vietnam from China ???
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 11 September 2012 00: 15
              0
              Living in the past is the first sign of old age
        2. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 10 September 2012 10: 19
          0
          Quote: Karish
          Why did they rush under the wing to the States

          Have they already rushed under the wing? Can you draw conclusions prematurely?
          1. DIMS
            DIMS 10 September 2012 10: 28
            +1
            Torn. They essentially have nowhere to go. For a long time, Russia will not be able to equal its military power with China. As if by themselves under this wing did not have to ask.
            1. Kshatriy
              Kshatriy 10 September 2012 11: 41
              0
              Quote: DIMS
              For a long time, Russia will not be able to equal its military power with China.

              Did you seriously say that? Or do you have jokes like that?
              1. DIMS
                DIMS 11 September 2012 01: 10
                +2
                What kind of jokes? Only a thin wall of capabilities of the Strategic Missile Forces separates us from Chinese Siberia
          2. Karish
            Karish 10 September 2012 10: 38
            +3
            Quote: Kshatriya
            Have they already rushed under the wing? Can you draw conclusions prematurely?

            US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, who is currently on a visit to Vietnam, said on June 4 that the United States will strengthen its cooperation with Vietnam in the areas of security, search and rescue at sea, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.

            Speaking at a meeting with reporters about the results of the earlier talks with the Minister of Defense of Vietnam Fung Quang Thanh, L. Panetta said that the parties discussed key steps to develop bilateral relations in the future, including accelerating implementation signed by two countries at the end of 2011 memorandum on mutual understanding, strengthening cooperation with Vietnam at sea and "fulfillment of obligations to protect peace, prosperity and security in the APR".

            L. Panetta June 3 arrived at the military base Camran with a three-day visit to Vietnam. He became the first US Secretary of Defense to visit Cam Ranh after the end of the Vietnam War. --0--

            Can you draw conclusions prematurely?

            it's like a joke
            Two friends meet.
            - How are you?
            - Yes, I suspect that my wife is cheating on me with a baker. Each time revealing
            the bed, I find bread crumbs in it.
            - A..a..a. Now I'm starting to suspect that my wife is cheating on me with
            locksmith from our housing office.
            “Do you find tools in bed?”
            - Well no. You see, no matter how I come home, so the locksmith lies in our bed
            1. Kshatriy
              Kshatriy 10 September 2012 11: 32
              +1
              Quote: Karish
              Can you draw conclusions prematurely?

              I didn’t draw any conclusions .... I’m deeply not interested in how relations with Vietnam will develop .... you prove the fraternization of the pin-got and the Vietnam people ...
              Only two countries in the world are capable of waging a war at the level of global extermination of all life on planet Earth - C, W, A and Russia ..... all other countries are extras ... and China, among them, without burning about some kind of Vietnam ...... This situation in the modern world will remain until one of the "Strategists" curbs completely new, unknown to us military technologies ... (remember N. Tesla .....)
        3. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 10 September 2012 13: 23
          0
          Quote: Karish
          Apparently the problem is something else.

          It's pointless to argue with you here. We -Russian are at war with our Soul and Heart --- we give grandmothers, we build: bridges, hospitals, schools, roads (although we ourselves need them) .. They Give Grandmas Only In Growth Under Interest .... and on the forehead on the drum ..... God is great and the ONLY judge and the time will come when he will separate the "grain" from the "tares" ....
          1. REPA1963
            REPA1963 10 September 2012 21: 22
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            It is unlikely that this time will come.
        4. curious
          curious 11 September 2012 12: 48
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          Karish
          Unfortunately, you are right, once the traditional allies of Mongolia and Vietnam are moving away more and more, and even teaching their children in the American and European universities will not add points to us in the future. It is necessary to draw operational conclusions
      2. valokordin
        valokordin 10 September 2012 10: 53
        +1
        But he didn’t carry it, and one of the main killers is an ex-pilot, the US vice president. Joe Biden
        1. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 10 September 2012 11: 34
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          Quote: valokordin
          But he didn’t carry it, and one of the main killers is an ex-pilot, the US vice president. Joe Biden

          Why are you so sure? ... Do you know what place the Lord God has prepared for him?
      3. REPA1963
        REPA1963 10 September 2012 21: 20
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        And after Vietnam, they stopped conscription and made a contract army.
    2. Karish
      Karish 10 September 2012 10: 02
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      Quote: Darck
      Hanoi likes American guns. I think they want a F-16.

      A friend of mine, 6 years ago, worked in Vietnam, an Israeli company remade armored personnel carriers from hydraulic control to electric.
  7. romb
    romb 10 September 2012 09: 55
    +1
    I don’t think that the Vietnamese are ready to dance to the tune of the Americans. Here the usual principle: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
    If Russia had not slowed down relations with Vietnam, then the latter would not have gone to the Americans for any kind of carving. The Vietnamese are well aware that at the present stage, Russia will do everything in order to avoid a quarrel with China. In their opinion, Russia is very likely to simply remain silent in the event of a military conflict between these two Asian countries. On the other hand, there is no certainty that the Americans, at the first signs of an escalation of the conflict, will not try to bluntly merge the Vietnamese, that is, they will act with them just as they had (only in a veiled form) with Taiwan,.
  8. Averias
    Averias 10 September 2012 09: 56
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    Become a bit like a book about a post apocalyptic world. The "Great Caliphate" and so on are clearly from there. US interest in Thailand is primarily offshore. A lot of large companies and corporations are registered in Thailand (this is their patriotism :))). But in reality, the United States understands that the reins of government are inexorably slipping away, no matter how brave and boastful they are, they are gradually failing. Gradually, imperceptibly, but they endure. Therefore, we climbed into Asia and the Middle East. There is only one goal - to play off and make a mess, and then sow their "democracy" on the sly. But with Asia, such a trick is unlikely to pass, this is not the Middle East, bursting with a jungle of civil strife on religious grounds and the actively warmed up USA. And China does not sleep, as well as India. And if India has somehow managed to come to an agreement with Pakistan, that says a lot. So wait and see.
  9. Apollo
    Apollo 10 September 2012 09: 57
    +2
    Dear forum users! Want, I will tell you why Vietnam did this.
    and he did it because at one time many state m Soviet Union forgave billions of dollars in debt.Our money with you. (An example of China — it does not squander money left and right, it knows how to count denyushki) .. They reason like this, forgive this time too. Everyone thinks only of himself.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 10 September 2012 10: 57
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      dear Apollo, yes everyone thinks about himself and some about his people
  10. bask
    bask 10 September 2012 18: 04
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    And Russia, the only Kamram base in the Pacific Ocean left. Amerikosy rod in Vtnam. I will not be amazed if from the air base Kamran again F16 15 and so on. start to take off.
  11. mind1954
    mind1954 12 September 2012 03: 02
    +1
    On the computer from which it is printed, "MOTHER'S BOARD"
    Vietnamese production, but it was developed in Taiwan !!!

    Before your eyes the assembly hall of the university, crammed full with Vietnamese
    students! A group of Vietnamese have long been searched for by the audience of the university
    after class to invite for a routine examination in
    outpatient clinic. Finally found. Locked, engaged in the audience.
    They crowded for a long time at the door. Finally, the group leader opened
    the door and answered the invitation: "We have come to study, not to be treated!"