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Taliban demanded from Uzbek authorities to return Afghan pilots and aircraft

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The American business press got involved in covering the negative consequences of Washington's Afghan policy. The Wall Street Journal tells about the political pressure of the Taliban (a terrorist group banned in the Russian Federation) on the authorities of Uzbekistan. The Taliban * demanded that Tashkent deport the Afghan Air Force personnel who fled over the border more than two weeks ago.


Now in the territory of Uzbekistan there are, according to various sources, up to 46 units of aviation equipment (planes and helicopters) of the Afghan army. The Taliban want to return all aircraft to Kabul - as well as the crews in full strength and equipment. Some of the fugitives managed to evacuate together with their families, which only complicates the problem, which already does not have a concrete solution at the moment.

The parties are awaiting a reaction from the White House: it is known that the pilots of the Afghan Air Force were trained by American instructors and during the confrontation with the Taliban * managed to inflict significant damage on the positions and manpower of the enemy. In the Afghan homeland of the Pentagon's recruits, a harsh punishment awaits, and Tashkent's time is running out. It is argued that if the United States refuses to evacuate Afghans to a third country, the Uzbek leadership will be forced to comply with the demands of the militants, although the final decision has not yet been made.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 31 August 2021 11: 33
    +25
    Well, let’s say with the planes it can burn out later, and it is enough for the pilots to ask for political asylum, they did not give the oath to the Taliban.
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 31 August 2021 11: 37
      +1
      How will the planes be transported?
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 31 August 2021 11: 39
        +12
        But in no way. Will not be returned.
        1. hrych
          hrych 31 August 2021 12: 04
          -3
          Fighting with the Taliban, which means with Afgan? At stake are Eurasian super-contracts, where Uzbekistan will be in favor. And to sacrifice this, for the sake of less than fifty units of iron?
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 31 August 2021 12: 08
            +6
            Quote: hrych
            To quarrel with the Taliban, which means with Afgan?

            The General Prosecutor's Office of Uzbekistan recalled the previously published news about the situation with the violation of the airspace of the republic by the military aviation of Afghanistan and denied its statement about dozens of planes from Afghanistan landed in Termez.
            The previous post was removed and replaced by an official statement apologizing for the "unspecified information."
            "The Telegram channel of the General Prosecutor's Office published a statement on the events that took place on August 14-15, 2021 in the airspace of the Republic of Uzbekistan and in the border areas with the neighboring Republic of Afghanistan. It should be noted that the changes taking place in Afghanistan are in the center of attention of the world community. It should be recognized that in these conditions, even official sources are not immune from errors in publishing information with unverified evidence. The statement published on the Telegram channel of the General Prosecutor's Office was also made without a final explanation and without reference to the official verified data of the competent departments, "- said in a statement.
            1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich 31 August 2021 13: 09
              +5
              That's for sure, there are already no planes, and if there were, they refueled and flew on.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 31 August 2021 14: 51
                +1
                This will only pass in kindergarten ...
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 31 August 2021 15: 12
                  0
                  Some of the Iraqi planes flew to Iran during the "Desert Storm" and stayed there. They seem to have disappeared there. So there are precedents.
                  1. alystan
                    alystan 31 August 2021 22: 56
                    +2
                    Then Iraq, in agreement with Iran, itself sent these planes there in order to save some of its aviation.
              2. Normal ok
                Normal ok 31 August 2021 19: 29
                +6
                "There were demons, we do not deny it. But, they self-destructed."
                Ivan Vasilievich is changing the profession.
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 31 August 2021 12: 11
            +14
            There is no need to quarrel with anyone ... The Taliban - as long as a terrorist organization is one, not Uzbeks and Tajiks are two ... it's not a fact that Afghanistan will remain under unified control - that's three ... But you can demand , anything.
            1. hrych
              hrych 31 August 2021 12: 34
              -11
              Quote: Zaurbek
              it is not a fact that Afghan will remain under unified control

              So he's already under control wassat Salang with Twitter Masudik is a misunderstanding, even if you don't touch it, they will die by winter.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 31 August 2021 12: 38
                +11
                There are a lot of warlords and a lot of topics for quarrels between them. Drugs, smuggling, control over humanitarian aid ... these are besides just national issues and religious ones too. The Uzbeks and Tajiks have their own Islam, the Pashtuns have their own, Iran, and across the border have their own.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 31 August 2021 12: 49
                  -5
                  Now no minorities can oppose the Pashtuns. Actually, they showed themselves when they were in favor ... in no way. Pashtuns are now a fighting machine of death, and thanks to America and the same minorities, they are not equipped at the level of a regional power wassat
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 31 August 2021 12: 51
                    +9
                    Can it be equipped with ....... fuel, ammunition, pilots, operators, spare parts, geniuses - commanders? I'm not sure if they are one.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 31 August 2021 14: 56
                      +2
                      As I said, the Taliban will not give equipment to the Uzbeks. They will demand back. So they demanded.
                      It's more difficult with pilots ... But you can't envy the Uzbeks.
                      And Ghani flew away with the stolen money through Uzbekistan. The twine turns out.
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 31 August 2021 14: 58
                        +7
                        They can demand anything. In order to be given something to them, they must be recognized. Iran has a lot of money so in the United States and Britain.
                      2. Alex777
                        Alex777 31 August 2021 15: 07
                        0
                        A minus for what?
                        For the fact that you won't envy the Uzbeks? wink

                        Iran has a lot of money so in the United States and Britain.

                        So not from the States and not from Britain (they are far away) do the planes demand, but from the neighbors. There is a difference.
                      3. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 31 August 2021 15: 18
                        +11
                        But the neighbors also have a full-fledged state and army and economy, while Afghanistan has territory and a set of field commanders. I'm not minus. They are the Taliban.
                      4. mmaxx
                        mmaxx 4 September 2021 05: 59
                        -1
                        Only to set fire to these states for the Taliban is just to spit. Well at least they are not doing anything yet.
                      5. alch3mist
                        alch3mist 1 September 2021 03: 14
                        0
                        As I said, the Taliban will not give equipment to the Uzbeks. They will demand back. So they demanded.

                        The technique was not sold and presented to them. At least some rights to demand something from them will appear when they are recognized as legitimate successors. So you can endlessly shrug off: "What is your proof? Show your passports and cashier's checks!"
                      6. Alex777
                        Alex777 1 September 2021 07: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: alch3mist
                        So you can endlessly shrug off: "What is your proof? Show your passports and cashier's checks!"

                        Yes, you can, of course. I mean something else.
                        If Uzbekistan is going to build good-neighborly relations with Afghanistan (and it looks like it), then difficult decisions will have to be made. hi
                      7. Andrey Chizhevsky
                        Andrey Chizhevsky 1 September 2021 18: 47
                        0
                        In order to build good-neighborly relations, it would be nice to recognize the Taliban as a so-called world community for a start. And then - the occupation of Kabul and other large cities and county centers does not mean the full power of the Taliban throughout the land of Afghanistan. The war is not over there - but now it is already a civil war with a bunch of regional players.
                      8. Alex777
                        Alex777 1 September 2021 18: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey Chizhevsky
                        The war is not over there - but now it is already a civil war with a bunch of regional players.

                        There is no civil war there.
                        As there are no real rivals for the Taliban.
                        And they are already proposing to negotiate.
                        https://vz.ru/news/2021/9/1/1116716.html
          3. 1976AG
            1976AG 31 August 2021 12: 22
            +12
            Quote: hrych
            Fighting with the Taliban, which means with Afgan? At stake are Eurasian super-contracts, where Uzbekistan will be in favor. And to sacrifice this, for the sake of less than fifty units of iron?

            The point is that the Taliban did not have time to come to power, as we already hear in essence threats from them. And if the demands of the Taliban are not met, then what? All recent events show that they are terrorists and terrorists in Africa, and some comrades here are calling not to spoil relations with them. Maybe even go to the service to them? It's only the beginning...
            1. hrych
              hrych 31 August 2021 12: 32
              -12
              Did you get it right? The Taliban took control of the state. Not a small state. They drove the West away with rags. And you think that the army of Uzbekistan against the Taliban with thousands of armored vehicles will withstand? In the same way he will run like the brave Dostum, he will also run throwing weapons and ammunition. So the Uzbeks have less than 25 thousand ground forceswassat The Taliban have more fighters (three if not four), more motivated, experienced and now well equipped. Yes, the Uzbeks have no chance to stand alone wassat
              1. 1976AG
                1976AG 31 August 2021 12: 40
                +10
                I understood perfectly well that you are proposing to flirt with them. Precisely to flirt, because if the army of Uzbekistan cannot withstand them, then it is impossible even to talk about equal relations. All that remains is to flirt, wag the tail, please - since it is dangerous to contradict the Taliban. And you seriously believe that showing your weakness can protect yourself? They understand only strength, and you indulge yourself with some kind of illusion. And finally, Uzbekistan is a member of the CIS, does that tell you anything?
                1. Mityay65
                  Mityay65 31 August 2021 12: 48
                  +9
                  Quote: 1976AG
                  Uzbekistan is a member of the CIS, does that tell you anything?

                  The CIS is a humanitarian organization that deals with non-defense issues. It doesn't say anything to anyone fellow
                  Uzbekistan is not included in the CSTO, as well as Turkmenistan. Only the CSTO gives obligations for joint defense.
                  1. 1976AG
                    1976AG 31 August 2021 12: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: Mityai65
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    Uzbekistan is a member of the CIS, does that tell you anything?

                    The CIS is a humanitarian organization that deals with non-defense issues. It doesn't say anything to anyone fellow
                    Uzbekistan is not included in the CSTO, as well as Turkmenistan. Only the CSTO gives obligations for joint defense.

                    Excuse me, is Syria a member of the CSTO? No ? Oh, so we turn out to be so illegal? We are talking about security and Russia too.
                    1. Mityay65
                      Mityay65 31 August 2021 13: 02
                      +4
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      is Syria a member of the CSTO?

                      What does Syria have to do with it? Do you want to scratch your tongue out of idleness ?! Not to me.
                      PS I explained to you the fundamental difference between the CIS and the CSTO. There is also a third treaty - the EAEU, this is the economy. Three agreements of a conventional type that define the whole range of problems.
                      1. 1976AG
                        1976AG 31 August 2021 13: 16
                        +3
                        Quote: Mityai65
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        is Syria a member of the CSTO?

                        What does Syria have to do with it? Do you want to scratch your tongue out of idleness ?! Not to me.
                        PS I explained to you the fundamental difference between the CIS and the CSTO. There is also a third treaty - the EAEU, this is the economy. Three agreements of a conventional type that define the whole range of problems.

                        As far as I understand, you are sitting here precisely because you are very busy and it is this busyness that prevents you from seeing the threat of the spread of terrorism to Russian territory. For you personally, I’ll explain that Russia's intervention in the events in Syria is connected with an attempt to prevent the spread of terrorism to our territory. Or have you already forgotten the events of the 90s?
                      2. Mityay65
                        Mityay65 31 August 2021 13: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Russia's interference in the events in Syria is connected

                        How does Syria constantly pop up in your brain in connection with the CIS and the CSTO? If you are so interested in life in this country, then buy a tour package to Syria, for example in Aleppo. Just settle there in a block where there is no Internet! lol
                      3. 1976AG
                        1976AG 31 August 2021 14: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Mityai65
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Russia's interference in the events in Syria is connected

                        How does Syria constantly pop up in your brain in connection with the CIS and the CSTO? If you are so interested in life in this country, then buy a tour package to Syria, for example in Aleppo. Just settle there in a block where there is no Internet! lol

                        Well, if you do not understand the connection between Syria and international terrorism, then what can I say ... it was you who lived on the campaign, where there is not only the Internet, but also no connection, except for a pigeon))) and maybe it did not exist.
                  2. Andrey Chizhevsky
                    Andrey Chizhevsky 1 September 2021 18: 50
                    0
                    Not a member of the CSTO? So now it will enter! When a real threat stands at the border, it is not up to diplomats' curtsies.
                2. hrych
                  hrych 31 August 2021 12: 59
                  +1
                  Don't flirt. but to build normal political and economic relations. The CIS means nothing, but the CSTO matters. If Uzbekistan ignores him, then let him fight. Wag the tail? We shook hands already. And Russia has shown its strength to all doubters. The actual defeat of America is actually because of us. Pashtuns know and respect our strength. Do you propose to attack them? To put Tsrushny Masudik? The son of a dushman - a traitor? What do you suggest? Ignore? War?
                  1. 1976AG
                    1976AG 31 August 2021 13: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: hrych
                    Don't flirt. but to build normal political and economic relations. The CIS means nothing, but the CSTO matters. If Uzbekistan ignores him, then let him fight. Wag the tail? We shook hands already. And Russia has shown its strength to all doubters. The actual defeat of America is actually because of us. Pashtuns know and respect our strength. Do you propose to attack them? To put Tsrushny Masudik? The son of a dushman - a traitor? What do you suggest? Ignore? War?

                    Uzbekistan will no longer be able to build normal relations, because the Taliban are already issuing an ultimatum. If Uzbekistan fulfills the requirements, it will show its weakness, and if not, then the relationship will become close to hostile. My personal opinion is that it is necessary to completely stop all relations with them and to close the borders as much as possible, and the further will depend on their behavior. If they don’t rock the boat outside Afgan, then it’s fine, let them live as they want, and if they rock the boat, then as VVP said.
                3. mmaxx
                  mmaxx 4 September 2021 06: 04
                  -1
                  No need to wag. Aircraft do not belong to Uzbekistan. Negotiate the terms and give back. Let it be after some elections or whatever.
                  And to play on the side of the Afghan Uzbeks ... it is impossible to think of worse politics. Therefore, most likely it will go like this.
              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 31 August 2021 12: 55
                +10
                They did not drive anyone away. The United States (like the USSR) simply lost the meaning of its presence in Afghanistan.
                1. What to do there?
                2. What is the income from them?
                3. What is the goal of the United States in Afghanistan?


                No-man's "Walk the field" in the mountains between China, Pakistan, Iran and Central Asia ... landlocked., Without oil, gas, precious metals ....
                1. hrych
                  hrych 31 August 2021 13: 50
                  +3
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  1. What to do there?
                  2. What is the income from them?
                  3. What is the goal of the United States in Afghanistan?

                  Do you not understand the catch of your own words? wassat What were they doing there? What did you catch there? What is the goal pursued? Already 20 years old wassat
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  landlocked., without oil, gas, precious metals ...

                  With oil, gas and precious metals wassat And also supertransit prospects of the center of Eurasia and a bridge between the civilizations of Persia, India, China and Russia.
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 31 August 2021 14: 03
                    +5
                    Transit and without them have the Russian Federation ..and with China and Korea and Iran. Why does the Russian Federation need Afghan? what a transit, there are only mountains! To make something civilized out of them, you need to invest a lot of money. Or kill everyone. and then invest.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 31 August 2021 14: 08
                      +1
                      Direct route to India and Pakistan. Central Asian gas is consumed by the rapidly growing industries of India and Pakistan. This gas partially goes to the EU, and only ours will go to the EU. We need no more control over EU energy, no less. They quickly get used to civilization, they are already sporting smartphones and thermal imagers. The guys are smart, they learn quickly.
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 31 August 2021 14: 12
                        +5
                        Pakistan and India have seas and oceans around ... and pipelines are relevant up to 2-3 tons km ... then the transit price eats up the difference between LNG. The cost of developing Afgan is higher than the theoretical income tomorrow.
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 31 August 2021 14: 14
                        0
                        Watch Martsinkevich's video. Everything is there on the shelves.
                      3. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 31 August 2021 14: 28
                        +1
                        In any project there are costs and risks, and then profit and risks ... ... while this is all theory. in 10-20-30 years the balance may change. And there will be no problems with the development of Afghanistan. China with the Uighurs showed how this problem can be solved.
                      4. Alex777
                        Alex777 31 August 2021 16: 29
                        0
                        If you watched the video, then one road RF-Uzbekistan-Afghanistan-Iran is worth a lot. hi
                      5. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 31 August 2021 16: 31
                        +1
                        These are projections ........ in one Iran, everything can change 10 times. The question is who builds and for whose money.?
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                      7. Alex777
                        Alex777 31 August 2021 17: 25
                        +1
                        I have sketched you a lot of information both on the implemented projects and on those in the work. With links. For this, the comment was deleted. The road from Uzbekistan to Afghanistan has been operating since 2011. Launched with Western money.
                        And a project to Pakistan is underway. To Peshawar. hi
                      8. Alex777
                        Alex777 1 September 2021 17: 49
                        0
                        The Taliban movement (banned in Russia) is ready to assist Uzbekistan in the construction of a railway and power lines on the territory of Afghanistan, says the congratulations on the 30th anniversary of Uzbekistan's independence, which the Taliban sent to the republic's authorities.

                        “We cordially congratulate the leadership and people of the fraternal country of Uzbekistan on the Independence Day. We wish to build fruitful and friendly relations with neighboring Uzbekistan. We confirm our interest in continuing the implementation of infrastructure projects in Afghanistan with the participation of Uzbekistan, in particular, the construction of a railway and power lines. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan will provide all the necessary assistance to our Uzbek partners in this direction, ”the message of the Taliban says.

                        Something like that. And no projectors. hi
                      9. tiger19
                        tiger19 1 September 2021 15: 25
                        -1
                        So Afghans are not Uighurs. And the relief is mountainous. China and its troops will poke their attention here - they will get a blazing Uyguria and Tibet. Yes, and the Mongols can get excited.
                      10. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 1 September 2021 15: 33
                        +2
                        I'm afraid the party will order, they will just move ....... The only question is harshness or cruelty.
                      11. tiger19
                        tiger19 8 September 2021 06: 31
                        0
                        If the party issues meaningless orders, then they will go to comprehend the heavenly ways of Tao. The Chinese endure for a long time, but when they go out, they are terrified of taipins.
                      12. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 8 September 2021 11: 00
                        0
                        Well ... here you need to understand the amount of work on a Chinese scale ..... The population of AFGHAN is not so large ..... but here half measures, due to geography, will not help. Specifically eviction, resettlement, etc. camps, children at home for education. And 20-40 years.
                      13. tiger19
                        tiger19 25 March 2022 06: 32
                        0
                        Have you seen the relief of Afghanistan? Plus the neighbors are Islamic brothers. Fuck the Chinese such hemorrhoids? You won't get fame here. The area is largely uninhabitable. Reputational losses are huge. And Afghans are not Uighurs. Fucking the Han people will be terrifying.
                  2. Mityay65
                    Mityay65 31 August 2021 14: 07
                    0
                    Quote: hrych
                    And also supertransit prospects of the center of Eurasia and a bridge between the civilizations of Persia, India, China and Russia

                    Here is a perfectly correct definition that I like - supertransit of the center of Eurasia
                    Yes, indeed - the game has changed. We have in our hands the prospect / opportunity to change the direction of trade flows in Eurasia hi
                    And the West will fight against it ...
                  3. General failure
                    General failure 1 September 2021 22: 33
                    +2
                    What were they doing there? What did you catch there? What is the goal pursued? Already 20 years old.

                    30 years if you count the Soviet presence.

                    Everything is so simple - both the Americans and the USSR believed that it would be easy to bring Afghanistan under control. And, in fact, they almost succeeded in this, except that it is extremely expensive and difficult to eradicate "partisanship".

                    As a result, the costs of ensuring the stability of the local government by force exceeded all reasonable amounts and all possible benefits and had to give up.

                    It's like digging a well. I dug five meters - there is no water. Ten - no water. Twenty, thirty - no water. As a result, it becomes clear that even if you get to the bottom of it, it is not clear what to do with this mine to the center of the earth.
                    Something like that.
              3. Shket53
                Shket53 31 August 2021 14: 56
                +3
                You know ... but I didn't get it. Yes, Afghanistan is not a small state, but multinational, and therefore heterogeneous, which means that there will be contradictions within this state. This is the first thing. Yes, the Taliban are now on horseback, they have seized a large number of weapons, and seized power ... now this power must still be retained, and weapons and equipment must be serviced. and the militants also have to pay ... and this is money, and not small. This is the second thing. As for Uzbekistan, although it is a Muslim state, but a secular one, and I don't think that Uzbeks will gladly put on a veil on their women to please the Taliban, and I really don't think that the Taliban will be able, as you say, to drive out the Uzbek By the way, the army is second in terms of combat equipment, and in terms of combat readiness, after Kazakhstan, and maybe even the first among the former Central Asian republics. This is third. And finally ... if even the Taliban climb into Central Asia, what, the local kings and emirs like this, will take and lay out the power on a silver platter.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 31 August 2021 15: 19
                  +4
                  If Uzbekistan behaves correctly, then the Afghans will not go to it ... yet. Afghan itself with Pashtuns over 50%, Tajiks 23%, Hazaras 10% and a little less Uzbeks. Well, there are very few Turkmens, Baluchs, etc. minorities don't even have the human resources to resist. They will not unite among themselves, and so on. 2/3 of the Pashtun live in Pakistan, i.e. there is a reserve and Pashtunwali demands ... Perhaps by the way there will be a powerful migration from Pakistan to the Pashtun country. For Afghan, of course, is a Pashtun country. Of course, they will give local elders of the tribes local self-government, but of course they will disarm (they have already disarmed) and the policy of the state will be determined by the Pashtuns. And before that you had to fight. Now that's all. The uprisings will be brutally suppressed, these are not merciful Russians. This mode is serious and for a long time.
                  1. Shket53
                    Shket53 31 August 2021 16: 55
                    0
                    Well, even if Afghan is a country of Pashtuns, but the Talibs are not only Pashtuns ... there are, as you say, Tajiks, Nuristanis, Aimaks, Hazaras, Turkmens, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Baluchis, etc. The Taliban also stated that they want peace and prosperity for Afghanistan, and that they want to live in peace and good neighborliness with neighboring countries, and that they will not go anywhere further. At least such a statement was made by their political wing. Then, forgive me, where did you get such confidence that if Uzbekistan behaves correctly (and right ... it's like) then the Taliban will not go to it, and even then ... for now. Sincerely
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 31 August 2021 17: 08
                      -4
                      That's right, this is to return stolen goods to Afghanistan. Not to the Taliban, but to the country. That's right - it is not to support anti-Afghan terrorists and bandits like Masud, Dostum, etc. On the bill .. yet. History is developing and the future is unknown. Nobody expected. that the British Empire would collapse, no one expected that the USSR would collapse, no one expected that the United States would do this. Therefore, what will happen next is not known. And whether the Afghan-Uzbek war will be unknown. Undoubtedly, the Afghan army will be Pashtun, like the security forces. Local self-government has not been abolished and minorities will not be oppressed, but the government will also have a Pashtun majority, which is correct.
                      1. Shket53
                        Shket53 31 August 2021 18: 07
                        +4
                        Hmm ... this is already interesting. Tell me how Uzbekistan stole these very aircraft (planes, helicopters) from Afghanistan. before the Taliban announced the amnesty. So where is the theft? As for the Taliban's demand for the return of the aircraft ... it's completely absurd. The Taliban is still recognized as a terrorist organization, and according to your logic, and where it will move its militants, Allah alone knows. So why give a stick (planes, helicopters) to a terrorist if he suddenly wants to punch me (Uzbekistan) between the eyes with this stick. Well, you must admit, this is just nonsense. But when Afghanistan is in power, let the same Pashtuns, but sane, and legitimate, that is, recognized by the world community, then yes then Uzbekistan will be obliged to return Afghanistan its property. And yes, I don’t believe in the Afghan-Uzbek war at all, and let there be a Pashtun army, but at least some, do not forget that Central Asia is the “soft underbelly” of Russia, and as our president said, “Who will climb there?” Why? We do not know, but if we will meet something there "And the words of our president are listened to all over the world, well, except for those who are completely stoned and frostbitten. I do not think that the Pashtuns are stupid all over their heads, because those who are friends with Russia live, but who barks .... In general, wait ... we'll see. The East is a delicate matter, but in Afghanistan anything is possible.
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 31 August 2021 18: 28
                        -1
                        And I don’t believe. But maybe Russia, together with the Taliban, will go to Tashkent to avenge the Kyrgyz wassat Ways are inscrutable. The property must be returned. Belenko hijacked Mig, they hid him, but the plane was returned. These are the rules. And actually it would be silly to refuse the Taliban.
                      3. DDT
                        DDT 31 August 2021 22: 11
                        -1
                        Overrun "take revenge", old man. Go get some valerian chtoli. You need to take care of yourself, at your age. hi
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 31 August 2021 23: 12
                        -4
                        Uzbek? First, jokes must be understood sometimes wassat Dostum take it drinks A snarl is not a synonym for an old man, it is a growling person, from the word growl. An old bastard, this is an old growling man, or maybe a young bastard. In Slavic mythology, these are growling, bear-like werewolf monsters. And the connection with the berserkers, whose methods were used by Prince Svyatoslav of my avatar. But we have victims of Leninism, they smoothly turn into victims of the Unified State Exam, so it is not even given to understand. You don’t understand any jokes, or mythology, so pleasant dreams to you. Let a grunt dream, not a kind grunting grandfather, but that very, real grunt wassat
                      5. DDT
                        DDT 2 September 2021 21: 01
                        0
                        And we like from the time of our last srach, sorry civilized discussi, on you ?!
                        Don't send me your avatars ... They won't come back to you later am you are our werewolf, in uniform. Essentially have something to say? Or is your job like that, werewolf? wassat
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                  2. DDT
                    DDT 31 August 2021 22: 15
                    -1
                    What a stupid one you are ... old man. I'll tell you a terrible secret. Uzbeks are not afraid of Pashtuns, from the word at all. And the Pashtuns are very ... afraid of them. Since thousands of years, narrow-eyed byaks from the North pressed them. So, Cassandra, go to bed Hrych. Not available on Tuesdays.
                  3. Ovsigovets
                    Ovsigovets 2 September 2021 01: 39
                    0
                    Afghans "Taliban" where will they go? while they are sitting in their Afghani and do not shine, they still live ... who and where will go ??? the Taliban is not an army, these are bandits ... they will go ... to their hell to the gurias, they will go in orderly rows
              4. DenVB
                DenVB 31 August 2021 21: 24
                +1
                Quote: hrych
                So the Uzbeks have less than 25 thousand ground forces

                In addition to the ground forces, they also have aviation, for example. And all the armed forces have 48 thousand, according to Wikipedia. Plus, most likely reservists. And if a 48-strong, well-equipped army is not able to defend its country from the raid of a 100-strong crowd of slippers on Toyotas and Humvees, then there is probably no point in such a country and such an army.

                And, by the way, the Taliban will not be able to run into Uzbekistan with all their might. They still need to control their own country, where they have many enemies.
                1. DDT
                  DDT 31 August 2021 22: 12
                  0
                  Don't you confuse it with Tajikistan and Kyzgizstan? feel
                  1. DenVB
                    DenVB 31 August 2021 22: 22
                    0
                    Quote: DDT
                    Don't you confuse it with Tajikistan and Kyzgizstan? feel

                    No. Where did you suspect confusion?
                    1. DDT
                      DDT 2 September 2021 20: 56
                      0
                      Quote: DenVB
                      Quote: DDT
                      Don't you confuse it with Tajikistan and Kyzgizstan? feel

                      No. Where did you suspect confusion?

                      I'm talking about the 25k army of Uzbekistan laughing
                2. Grits
                  Grits 1 September 2021 05: 30
                  0
                  Quote: DenVB
                  And, by the way, the Taliban will not be able to run into Uzbekistan with all their might. They still need to control their own country, where they have many enemies.

                  By the way, for this they still need to swim across the Amu Darya.
              5. Ovsigovets
                Ovsigovets 2 September 2021 01: 25
                -1
                and they will not be left alone .. Uzbekistan will not be handed over to the bandits ... it is not a great task to smear this entire Afghan army of the Taliban ... rabble .. in the mountains they can still hide ... but they cannot fight
            2. maiman61
              maiman61 31 August 2021 12: 34
              +3
              This is fine. Ours sailed to Japan, so Russia demands to give it back. And the fighter pilot flew to Japan, so the USSR demanded the return of the fighter and the pilot. All countries do this.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 31 August 2021 12: 44
                +5
                And how do the Taliban feel about these planes? This is not their property for that matter. The fact that they have seized power makes little difference. Moreover, they are recognized as a terrorist movement.
                1. Cananecat
                  Cananecat 31 August 2021 13: 52
                  +1
                  Once in the West they also talked about the revolution in Russia. Over time, the new country had to be reckoned with.
          4. Suraikin.Aleksandr
            Suraikin.Aleksandr 31 August 2021 12: 36
            -3
            Seeing how unexpectedly the leadership of Uzbekistan began to fuss, began to clean up social networks from photographs of Uzbek military personnel against the background of black hawks, apparently a buyer for the air fleet or part of it has already been found, and apparently it is Russia!
            Mega projects with the participation of Afghanistan, under the most favorable circumstances, are all in a fairly distant future, and before that a lot of water will leak.
          5. bayard
            bayard 31 August 2021 12: 42
            +3
            Uzbekistan (like neighboring Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan) received an offer to participate in the creation of the Turkic Union. From Turkey.
            And in this context, it becomes clear why exactly this is how the withdrawal of American troops was carried out, why weapons and equipment were abandoned for almost 100 billion dollars. ... and why it is in this direction that England has been so active (through its special services) lately.
            Chaotization of the region.
            And the Taliban have already received the resources for this.
            Their entire top was in American prisons and received freedom from the CIA (as in the past, the entire top of ISIS). What do you think - for what?
            What are the Eurasian contracts?
            Under the guarantee of whom?
            CIA and MI6 agents?
            Everything will be very difficult there. And the first sign of these difficulties has already sounded - an ultimatum to Uzbekistan from the Taliban.
            And the Uzbeks are consulting with the Americans ...
            Now we should wait for the flow of refugees from Afghanistan to Central Asia and from there (by purchasing local passports) to the Russian Federation. And it won't be just refugees.
            And there is no border with the SA.
            And millions of migrants / guest workers throughout the Russian Federation.
            And the upcoming very difficult elections ... which the West does not recognize ...
            So the adventure has already been invented for us.
            And these are by no means "Eurasian contracts".
            1. hrych
              hrych 31 August 2021 13: 04
              -3
              Yes Yes. Only the American Embassy and the British Embassy are empty in Kabul wassat No one gave weapons to the Taliban, they were given to collaborators. and they threw him wassat Russia has already said that we do not need migrants. And Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan will not be silk and hand made by Russia, thanks to the Taliban wassat We had to invent them.
              1. bayard
                bayard 31 August 2021 13: 20
                +1
                Having sowed chaos, it is not at all necessary to keep your embassies in Kabul, and you can also coordinate the actions of your former inmates through secret channels.
                Quote: hrych
                No one gave weapons to the Taliban, they were given to collaborators. and they threw him

                Well, now some of them have created the Northern Alliance and are asking for help again.
                Isn't it a good reason to continue the civil war and chaos?
                And for the flow of refugees to Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
                And it's not difficult to buy local passports there.
                And what is most interesting - the local authorities will readily sell these passports, because this will reduce the migration burden. After all, ISIS refugees and other agents of MI6, the CIA and the Turkish special services, having received passports, will move further - to the North.
                Quote: hrych
                Russia has already said that we do not need migrants.

                Saying and doing are different things. We have a very conditional border with the SA, and the flow of guest workers is established on an industrial scale.
                And this will require a lot of effort and money.
                Quote: hrych
                And Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan will not be silk and handcrafted by Russia, thanks to the Taliban. We had to invent them.

                So it would have been if the Turks had not been around with their invitation to the "Union of Turkic Peoples".
                The Anglo-Saxon dream is coming true before our eyes.
                So, in the near future, the regimes of these former Soviet republics will be like in a frying pan between two stools. But they will rather choose the voice of blood - the Russian Federation today, this is not at all the Soviet Union, where they were really striving.

                If it turns out as great as you promise ... it will be just a Fairy Tale.
                But the reality is always more prosaic.
            2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
              GELEZNII_KAPUT 31 August 2021 15: 35
              +1
              Uzbekistan (like neighboring Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan) received an offer to participate in the creation of the Turkic Union. From Turkey.

              Tajikistan to the Turkic Union, write as a writer! laughing
              1. bayard
                bayard 31 August 2021 15: 52
                +1
                Well, why not invite the Persians in spite of it - as an associate member.
                And I am far from enthusiastic about the current situation. An example of the loss of Azerbaijan and practically its absorption by Turkey is an example for you.
                Do you think that now the Russian Federation is doing deeper and more subtle work than before with Azerbaijan?
                I'm afraid I'll have to be disappointed again soon.
                Although I really would not want it.
          6. gsev
            gsev 31 August 2021 13: 39
            +3
            Quote: hrych
            To quarrel with the Taliban, which means with Afgan? Eurasian super contracts are at stake,

            How much will Uzbekistan be able to gain from economic interaction with the Taliban? Uzbekistan itself will not provide loans for the construction of road infrastructure, the Taliban are not able to organize and finance construction. I would keep pilots and planes at my place. The planes were confiscated as a means of breaking the law when invading sovereign space. The pilot was given political asylum or a residence permit. Afghans will simply respect Uzbekistan more for such an independent policy. In my opinion, Russia and the Taliban should also pursue a balanced, careful policy so as not to fall into stupid cost overruns as with the Bulgarian and Nord Stream 2 and nuclear power plants in Iran or Turkey. The political views of the Taliban have nothing to do with the views of Putin, Patrushev, Gref and Abramovich.
          7. Ovsigovets
            Ovsigovets 2 September 2021 01: 17
            0
            whatever you look at, but the Taliban are terrorists ... it’s a one-way road to yield to them ...
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 31 August 2021 11: 43
        -4
        Quote: Alexander 3
        How will the planes be transported?

        Possibly barrels like oranges. laughing
        I don’t think that the Taliban will not find other pilots loyal to them, and they didn’t hijack the Tu-160, it’s quite possible to disassemble it and deliver it on hohlot transport, this doesn’t care for the grandmother where and who to take. laughing
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 31 August 2021 12: 28
          0
          It is necessary to resist at least a couple of bolts.
      3. demo
        demo 31 August 2021 12: 10
        +2
        How will the planes be transported?
        Only disassembled.
        (Let, after assembly, work with a file).
      4. Prisoner
        Prisoner 31 August 2021 12: 22
        0
        winked On donkeys. One problem is to disassemble something, that's how they will assemble it?
        1. DDT
          DDT 31 August 2021 22: 09
          0
          And how the "students" will collect them back, this is their problem ... But they will not take it ... turn off the gas laughing
      5. iura139
        iura139 31 August 2021 14: 52
        0
        There are a lot of donkeys in Uzbekistan, they will harness and .... This is not a problem, there is a vehicle, the wings will be removed and brought on a trawl.
      6. Normann
        Normann 31 August 2021 15: 20
        0
        On foot, and they will fight without pilots from the ground too
    2. knn54
      knn54 31 August 2021 11: 50
      +1
      Return, but CA-2, where the LEGITIME Vice President is.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 31 August 2021 12: 36
        +3
        Something these LIGITIME quickly merge. And I am sure at the first failure this vice will escape into a crappy sunset.
    3. Daria33
      Daria33 31 August 2021 14: 07
      +1
      Why didn't they do it right away? Probably, everything is not so simple ... Few people dare to provide shelter to these people. It's not for you to save a Belarusian runner from "repressions" ...
  2. kind
    kind 31 August 2021 11: 35
    +1
    Taliban demanded from Uzbek authorities to return Afghan pilots and aircraft

    And if they do not return, then what ???
    1. Ren
      Ren 31 August 2021 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Good
      And if they do not return, then what ???

      Well, then Uzbekistan is not a member of the CSTO and the Russian Federation is not obliged to fit in for it even in the event of armed aggression. wink
      1. Root E
        Root E 31 August 2021 12: 04
        -16
        Is Armenia a member of the CSTO? Well, okay, well that the others fit in.
        1. Ren
          Ren 31 August 2021 12: 09
          +13
          Quote: Root-E
          Is Armenia a member of the CSTO? Well, okay, well that the others fit in.

          Yes, Armenia is a member of the CSTO, but what is the question, someone encroached on the territory of Armenia? belay
          Where? When?
          1. Root E
            Root E 31 August 2021 12: 12
            -12
            By the way, an interesting question. If the conflict is on an unrecognized territory, following the example of Karabakh. Should the CSTO fit in? For example, if on the territory of Abkhazia \ Transnistria \ LDNR, or it will be considered a conflict on the territory of those states to whom between. do the land belong to the right? And the CSTO is not working.
            1. Ren
              Ren 31 August 2021 12: 23
              +4
              Quote: Root-E
              For example, if on the territory of Abkhazia \ Transnistria \ LDNR, or it will be considered a conflict on the territory of those states to whom between. do the land belong to the right? And the CSTO is not working.

              On the territory of Abkhazia \ Transnistria \ LDNR, the CSTO does not work, the Russian Federation is working with a humanitarian mission to suppress the genocide of the population on an ethnic / linguistic basis.
              1. Root E
                Root E 31 August 2021 12: 28
                -6
                And Crimea? For example, Kazakhstan does not recognize it? If they attack the Crimea, and according to Kazakh law, it belongs to Ukraine. It turns out that the CSTO is not working? And Kazakhs can easily merge?
                1. Ren
                  Ren 31 August 2021 12: 31
                  +7
                  Quote: Root-E
                  And Crimea? For example, Kazakhstan does not recognize it? If they attack the Crimea, and according to Kazakh law, it belongs to Ukraine. It turns out that the CSTO is not working? And Kazakhs can easily merge?

                  Crimea is the territory of Russia and Russia itself is able to stand up for it without resorting to the CSTO. hi
                  Kazakhs can easily merge
                  1. VORON538
                    VORON538 31 August 2021 15: 01
                    0
                    This is another ukrotroll with its own popabol in the form of the Crimea on VO.Do not throw pearls in front of a pig. hi
                2. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 31 August 2021 13: 09
                  +1
                  Was there a process of an attack on Crimea?
                  The attack and self-separation of a region (even with the support of a third party) are two different things. Is Kazakhstan ready to send its troops to Crimea or LPNR and return them to Ukraine by force?
                3. gsev
                  gsev 31 August 2021 13: 47
                  -1
                  Quote: Root-E
                  It turns out that the CSTO is not working? And Kazakhs can easily merge?

                  As far as I understand, anti-Russian persecutions in modern Kazakhstan were organized by the top leadership of this country. Therefore, in the event of a big spell, this state will most likely find itself in the camp of Russia's opponents. Kazakhstan needs Russia only as a defense against the PRC. The level of development of relations between Russia and the PRC makes China a much more valuable partner than Kazakhstan, especially given the lawlessness of language patrols against defenseless Russian women in Kazakhstan.
            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 31 August 2021 12: 24
              +3
              Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan .... The Russian Federation recognizes this (but may not recognize and support the rebels). So, the CSTO does not owe anyone either in the first case or in the second.
              1. Root E
                Root E 31 August 2021 13: 55
                -2
                Here's an example. NATO attacks Crimea, Russia convenes the CSTO. How should the countries that did not recognize the Crimea behave? (there seems to be all the CSTO in full strength does not recognize).
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 31 August 2021 13: 57
                  0
                  I agree here ... there is an option not to get involved on the part of the CIS countries .... the only question is with Belarus within the framework of a single state. But there is no CSTO without the Russian Federation ...
              2. gsev
                gsev 31 August 2021 14: 13
                +1
                Quote: Zaurbek
                The Russian Federation recognizes this (but may not recognize and support the rebels)

                Azerbaijan has demonstrated its neutrality or non-interference during the conflicts between Russia and Georgia and Ukraine. Therefore, he has the right to count on reciprocity in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflicts. There was an interesting interview with the Chief of the General Staff of Azerbaijan in which he highly appreciated the foresight of the current President Aliyev in the diplomatic support of the last Armenian-Azerbaijani war. Apparently it meant that Aliyev managed to cool the hotheads in the military leadership of Azerbaijan from military assistance to the opponents of Russia, and in the leadership of Russia from the military participation of Russia in the conflict over Karabakh.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 31 August 2021 14: 16
                  +1
                  Comrade Aliyev's main success is in consolidating finances, building an army and ..... he chose the right moment to conduct this war - at the moment of a mini revolution in Armenia and its distance from the Russian Federation. And Azerbaijan's ties with the Russian Federation are much more in money, ties with Armenia.
      2. Suraikin.Aleksandr
        Suraikin.Aleksandr 31 August 2021 13: 07
        +1
        Uzbekistan and Russia have agreements on military support outside the CSTO.
    2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 31 August 2021 12: 29
      +3
      Mazar-i-Sharif with Tajik and Uzbek populations in their hands. Anything can be expected from the Taliban, including a repetition of the events of the late 90s.
      1. gsev
        gsev 31 August 2021 14: 16
        -1
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        including the repetition of the events of the late 90s.

        And what did the anti-Russian Taliban do in the late 1990s? Dostumov's commanders also fought mercilessly against the Taliban.
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 31 August 2021 15: 17
          0
          Check out the recent history of Mazar-i-Sharif, some sources mention the events of 1997.
          1. DenVB
            DenVB 31 August 2021 22: 56
            +1
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            there are references to the events of 1997.

            According to the English Wikipedia, in 1997, Uzbek forces in Mazar-i-Sharif killed about 3 Taliban, moreover, by deceit (they supposedly promised to surrender the city, but attacked when the Taliban entered), including the execution of many prisoners of the Taliban. When the Taliban did take the city again, they exterminated about 8 thousand of the local population in revenge. We just drove through the streets and shot at everyone.

            It is even difficult to say who is more deserving of condemnation. It seems to me that both sides are quite equal to each other.
            1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich 31 August 2021 23: 33
              0
              But here, as they say in Odessa, there are two big differences. There are combatants, non-combatants and civilians in general. And there is a big difference between attacking combatants and exterminating civilians.
              1. DenVB
                DenVB 31 August 2021 23: 50
                0
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                But here, as they say in Odessa, there are two big differences.

                In fact, we understand very well that this was a conflict between Pashtuns and Uzbeks. The Uzbeks (and possibly Tajiks) of Mazar-i-Sharif cunningly killed the Pashtuns, the Pashtuns, in response, without any trick killed a comparable number of Uzbeks and Tajiks in Mazar-i-Sharif. Common tribal massacre. And non-combatant combatants are generally alien concepts for a given area.
              2. mmaxx
                mmaxx 4 September 2021 06: 18
                -1
                For this there is a universal: "Kill everyone, Allah will figure it out in the next world." It's simple: the main task of a Muslim is to go to heaven. If he died innocently, then to heaven without question. Therefore, those terrorists will blow up 50 of their own against one stranger without hesitation
  3. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 31 August 2021 11: 37
    +3
    up to 46 units of aircraft (airplanes and helicopters)

    A very decent increase for the Uzbek Air Force, if they want to keep it for themselves. Now they have a very outdated fleet of aircraft and helicopters.
    1. vch62388
      vch62388 31 August 2021 12: 06
      +2
      Without spare parts and consumables, without regulatory documentation? It's scrap metal. You can't fly this.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 31 August 2021 12: 21
        +2
        What is the problem with purchasing these things?
        1. vch62388
          vch62388 31 August 2021 12: 31
          0
          When you change the oil in a car service, you hang a tag with the date and mileage. In the aircraft the same thing, only much stricter and with a greater number of parameters. When, by whom and where did the maintenance work take place? When does the warranty expire for any of the hundreds of bearings? It's easier to buy a new plane.
        2. gsev
          gsev 31 August 2021 14: 21
          +1
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          What is the problem to buy these things

          The US civil services are quite sensitive to everything related to the national aviation industry. Even aircraft engines that have exhausted their resource in passenger aviation are considered a national treasure and seem to be prohibited for sale abroad. Abroad, such an engine can only appear as part of an agricultural aviation aircraft and, after the disposal of such an aircraft, must be returned to the United States. The Taliban did not deserve to be sold by the United States to aircraft parts, especially military ones.
          1. Terran ghost
            Terran ghost 31 August 2021 18: 25
            0
            Even aircraft engines that have exhausted their resource in passenger aviation are considered a national treasure and seem to be prohibited for sale abroad.

            What other "national treasure" should be considered aircraft engines on a plane owned by a private company?
            However, there really is legislation on export control in the United States. Only its essence is true in the fact that for the export of certain types of goods it is necessary to obtain a special license. Whether used aircraft engines are included in this list of goods subject to export control, I do not know.
  4. Wedmak
    Wedmak 31 August 2021 11: 38
    +10
    Since the Taliban are recognized as terrorists, nifiga nothing can be given to them. What will they do, poke their heads into Uzbekistan by force to take away their property?
    1. poquello
      poquello 31 August 2021 11: 53
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      Since the Taliban are recognized as terrorists, nifiga nothing can be given to them. What will they do, poke their heads into Uzbekistan by force to take away their property?

      Even some ears are familiar, there are not so many countries that always require something
    2. Ren
      Ren 31 August 2021 12: 00
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      What will they do, poke themselves into Uzbekistan by force to take away not their property?

      Why not, Uzbekistan is not a member of the CSTO. hi
      Or do you think that the Uzbek warriors are cooler than the Yusovs and the entire coalition from Natasha? wassat
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 31 August 2021 12: 05
        +2
        that the Uzbek warriors are cooler than the Yusovs and the entire coalition

        Of course not. But if the Taliban are going to somehow talk to the outside world without AK in their hands, they will have to resolve this issue through diplomacy.
        If they pretend to be logs and use force behind the planes, Uzbekistan may well give the green light to a peacekeeping operation with the approval of the UN. And who will be there, the CSTO, NATO is not important in this moment. The main thing is that the Taliban invade another country. And there are not very many options for solving this problem.
      2. gsev
        gsev 31 August 2021 14: 27
        0
        Quote: Ren
        Or do you think that the Uzbek warriors are cooler than the Yusovs and the entire coalition from Natasha?

        Uzbekistan is a state and it is able to stop the enemy offensive with aviation and armored units. The Taliban are unable to deploy more than 100 fighters to intervene. They will have problems with providing their "limited contingent in Uzbekistan" with fuel and ammunition. In addition, the Taliban have grown old for 000 years of war and they have enough Afghan young beauties to be happy even without airplanes.
    3. demo
      demo 31 August 2021 12: 12
      0
      Right.
      Until this bogey is removed from the Taliban (*), recognized by all as a terrorist movement, the return of any type of weapons is a criminal offense. Under international law.
    4. den3080
      den3080 31 August 2021 12: 12
      -2
      Quote: Wedmak
      Since the Taliban are recognized as terrorists, nifiga nothing can be given to them. What will they do, poke their heads into Uzbekistan by force to take away their property?

      They are terrorists at the moment. Tomorrow (conditionally) they will be recognized and they will have to answer for theft in full.
      So Mirziyoyev fidgeted smile
      Although he didn't give a damn about the well the other day. He called the Russians invaders who ruined the life of the entire Uzbek people and him (apparently).
      I even asked about his biography, having heard this speech, maybe a victim of the Soviet regime, a dissident ... but nothing like that.

      But to independently answer "for the market" without the support of "real boys" - Russians or Americans, it turns out to be a gut.

      And the Taliban in their current status may well arrange a good shurum-burum in Uzbekistan ... as if they didn't have to run wherever they looked ...
      1. Suraikin.Aleksandr
        Suraikin.Aleksandr 31 August 2021 12: 50
        +1
        The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is a fait accompli! But he is not the right successor of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan that existed until August 15, 2021.
        The United States can also claim its official rights to this aircraft, since it was probably all purchased with their credit money and they can demand compensation in court.
      2. DDT
        DDT 14 September 2021 10: 40
        0
        Quote: den3080
        Quote: Wedmak
        Since the Taliban are recognized as terrorists, nifiga nothing can be given to them. What will they do, poke their heads into Uzbekistan by force to take away their property?

        They are terrorists at the moment. Tomorrow (conditionally) they will be recognized and they will have to answer for theft in full.
        So Mirziyoyev fidgeted smile
        Although he didn't give a damn about the well the other day. He called the Russians invaders who ruined the life of the entire Uzbek people and him (apparently).
        I even asked about his biography, having heard this speech, maybe a victim of the Soviet regime, a dissident ... but nothing like that.

        But to independently answer "for the market" without the support of "real boys" - Russians or Americans, it turns out to be a gut.

        And the Taliban in their current status may well arrange a good shurum-burum in Uzbekistan ... as if they didn't have to run wherever they looked ...

        Den, who do you think are the Russians if not the occupants, the colonialists? I don’t understand something ... explain your IMHO, what is it built on?
        And yet, yes, the Uzbek army, without the help of the Russian Federation, is able to drive the Taliban behind the Salang and transfer "Dustumistan" back to Dostum, but does neither one nor the other because - a) there is no reason to do this. b) Really large joint infrastructure projects are at stake, and we have no choice but who is in power in Afghanistan, even the Taliban or Shaitan. Regrettable as it may sound for an ordinary Afghan. c) Who will pay for this expensive pleasure in the form of war, you? Couch experts, computer troops marshals, Warfire generals?
    5. Serge-667
      Serge-667 31 August 2021 14: 47
      0
      This is exactly what it is designed for. Inflate the conflict and take it outside of Afghanistan. Along with all the contents to be piped.
    6. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 31 August 2021 21: 10
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      Since the Taliban are recognized as terrorists, nifiga nothing can be given to them. What will they do, poke their heads into Uzbekistan by force to take away their property?


      You view the current situation as final. Nevertheless, everything flows, everything changes. Most likely, within one or two years, the government in Afghanistan with the main nucleus of people who are now in the Taliban will be recognized as legitimate by neighboring countries.

      It is generally accepted world practice that if states are not in a state of hostile confrontation, then military equipment that has fallen into incidents and not hostilities is always returned.

      Therefore, the planes will be returned to Afghanistan when the Taliban pump their legitimacy.

      Pilots are not property and not slaves, since they do not want to return to Afghanistan, no one will deport them against their will, the main thing is that a third country would want to take them, say somewhere in the EU or the USA.
  5. sifgame
    sifgame 31 August 2021 11: 39
    +2
    Expected. What will the Uzbeks do? On the one hand, the United States will press, and on the other, the Taliban demand. I think Ukraine will accept Afghan pilots for permanent residence at the request of Biden today))))
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 31 August 2021 11: 45
      +3
      Quote: sifgame
      I think Ukraine will accept Afghan pilots for permanent residence at the request of Biden today))))

      Together with the planes! laughing This will be a real change. tongue
      1. sifgame
        sifgame 31 August 2021 12: 06
        +1
        Yes, then there would be a peremoga))) but it will not, It's easier not to quarrel with the Taliban, well, to keep it for yourself. So the freebie in this case will literally fly past Ukraine.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 31 August 2021 11: 53
      -1
      I think it's high time to convene the UN Security Council and promptly make a decision on the provision of assistance to Uzbekistan by the peacekeeping contingent.
      It is impossible that this infection would "raise its head" otherwise spread throughout the region.
    3. askort154
      askort154 31 August 2021 12: 03
      0
      sifgame ..I think Ukraine will accept Afghan pilots for permanent residence at Biden's request today))))

      If Biden does not fall asleep soundly while talking with Zele the comedian, then you can say that you are asking the United States to arm Ukraine like Afghanistan, so take the planes with the pilots from the Uzbeks. I give them to you. wink hi
    4. gsev
      gsev 31 August 2021 14: 35
      -2
      Quote: sifgame
      I think Ukraine will accept Afghan pilots for permanent residence at Biden's request today

      In this case (when implementing Biden's wishes with the help of Uzbekistan), Russia can help the Taliban to lay claim to the aircraft or stop military-technical cooperation with Uzbekistan. Does it make sense for the Uzbek leadership to quarrel with Russia having a state system from the south in which there are minimal customs duties and taxes, and schoolchildren and students are not expelled for 4 months to pick cotton? For many ordinary Uzbeks, the world order under the Taliban may suddenly turn out to be more attractive than life in modern Uzbekistan.
      1. sifgame
        sifgame 31 August 2021 14: 54
        +1
        Yes, I was kind of joking)) Personally, I think that Uzbekistan will return the equipment, but I'm not sure with the pilots.
        1. DDT
          DDT 31 August 2021 22: 07
          0
          Rather, on the contrary ... And if the equipment is returned to the "students", then after they have paid for the MiG-29 wink
  6. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 31 August 2021 11: 44
    +7
    Taliban demanded from Uzbek authorities to return Afghan pilots and aircraft

    This is not the first ultimatum of the unrecognized government ... Is it, like, their property and their people?
    And then the thought flashed that it was necessary to negotiate ... How?
    The treaty with terrorists should be short ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 31 August 2021 11: 50
      +4
      And then the thought flashed that it was necessary to negotiate ... How?

      Since they are in control of Afghanistan ... let them show themselves in such a way that they can remove the label "terrorists" and move on to other methods of communication. I'm more than sure it will take more than a year. They hardly know how to conduct foreign policy using civilized methods, they will have to learn. As for the internal - yes, do not care, cook in yourself. If you stick your ideas to your neighbors, you will get rid of it. Something like that. Other options are somehow not visible.
      By the way, here's the question: How can they be positioned on the world stage now? Terrorist country? A country taken over by terrorists? Unrecognized state? Territory of Afghanistan occupied ...? They do not have any tools for communicating with the outside world. Apart from some "Taliban leadership".
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 31 August 2021 12: 11
        +2
        How to position them on the world stage now? Terrorist country? A country taken over by terrorists? Unrecognized state? Territory of Afghanistan occupied ...? They do not have any tools for communicating with the outside world. Apart from some "Taliban leadership".

        there were reports that they were calling a foreign minister from the previous government to their coordinating council.
      2. demo
        demo 31 August 2021 12: 17
        0
        They do not have any tools for communicating with the outside world.
        Yes, they have everything. And even more.
        After all, 20 years, while the United States tried to prove to everyone that the twin towers were destroyed by Afghan terrorists, these citizens very successfully received from all "progressive" humanity what they need in the form of weapons, ammunition, finances and much more.
        So the hope that "progressive" mankind will suddenly begin to disdain to "cuddle" with the bandits is very weak.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 31 August 2021 12: 22
          -2
          these citizens very successfully received from all "progressive" humanity the necessary

          I would not say that this is the same as negotiating and sane policy. How would it be one thing to get money and go to the mountains to fight the Yankees, and quite another to solve interstate issues. On the decision of which it may well depend, they will give you in the face, hang their own, or still allocate money for something useful.
          I do not rule out the truth that Afghanistan is now a warehouse full of gunpowder at the side of the "necessary" countries. It remains only to bring a match. Star-striped ears stick out from here.
          1. demo
            demo 31 August 2021 14: 42
            -1
            How would it be one thing to get money and go to the mountains to fight the Yankees, and quite another to solve interstate issues.
            The Taliban did not fight with the Yankees (this word was relevant at a time when the United States was engaged in expansion within the borders of the two continents of South and North America. Then this insulting expression stuck to them). The Taliban fought a coalition of the United States and their hangers-on.
            And they were provided with the highest level of technical and technological support. Those who could afford this are not the last people "in the neighboring village". And you need to negotiate with them. At the very highest level.
            Weapons, ammunition, communications, not those that can be bought on Ali Express, but those that go strictly to the military departments, etc.
            For this one must either give something, or promise to give in the future.
            Here one cannot do without the legitimacy of the negotiators and their responsibility for their words.
    2. den3080
      den3080 31 August 2021 13: 51
      -1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Taliban demanded from Uzbek authorities to return Afghan pilots and aircraft

      This is not the first ultimatum of the unrecognized government ... Is it, like, their property and their people?
      And then the thought flashed that it was necessary to negotiate ... How?
      The treaty with terrorists should be short ...

      Give them everything quickly and the whole conversation! smile
      The Americans did just that. No?
      "Do as I do" is called.
      Prior to that, they practically did the same in Iraq - after all, ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation) got sick of everything.
      1. DDT
        DDT 31 August 2021 22: 05
        0
        Dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream. The Taliban are not in a situation where they can politely ask for something from someone.
  7. Mungut
    Mungut 31 August 2021 11: 47
    +1
    And here is the first clue for a future conflict.
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 31 August 2021 11: 51
    +3
    In fact, the Taliban have not yet been recognized as the power in the country. Also, the Northern Alliance may demand the return of pilots and cars.
  9. out of habit
    out of habit 31 August 2021 11: 53
    +1
    Again, Russia will be asked to resolve the issue.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 August 2021 11: 54
    +3
    It is alleged that if the United States refuses to evacuate Afghans to a third country in the Uzbek leadership will be forced to fulfill the demands of the militants
    Who claims to be The Wall Street Journal? The American media believes that if the Americans fulfilled the demands of the Taliban, then the Uzbeks are even more obligated? So take your trained pilots to your place and be done. True, the evacuation showed that the principle of "being responsible for the one who taught" the Americans does not work.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 31 August 2021 12: 16
      +3
      Well, I do not know. Generally, a trained pilot is a useful person anyway. And this is not some kind of field commander-drug defense-extremist. It is quite possible to shelter such people. Moreover, it makes no sense to give them over to the Taliban from whom they fled. And for the technique, you can still bargain and bargain. Referring to UN decisions and all that.
  11. helloween
    helloween 31 August 2021 11: 59
    0
    but I like the situation with the masudik, for 20 years I sat in a pandsher, rolled money and weapons from the official Kabul, probably milked both the USA and RUSSIA, plus the extraction of lapis lazuli and other semiprecious glass, which was under his control, but as soon as he asked for help from NATO,
    It seems to me that he himself and the commanders closest to him traded well in weapons on the right and on the left, and he dreams of escaping from Afghanistan to hell! or the Taliban will get it or their own, probably a lot of offended by him
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 31 August 2021 12: 19
      +1
      If I dreamed, I would run away, or like my brother would join the Taliban and, if necessary, then run away. And so - yes, all their field commanders - specific feudal princes are involved in many dirty deeds. In no case should they be allowed into Central Asia.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 31 August 2021 12: 00
    0
    Taliban demanded from Uzbek authorities to return Afghan pilots and aircraft
    ... The question is, of course, interesting, and, moreover, very indicative.
  13. spirit
    spirit 31 August 2021 12: 01
    0
    That Pakistan has run out of pilots?)
  14. alexeymartin
    alexeymartin 31 August 2021 12: 01
    -1
    But this is a "Call" for the "brothers" of Uzbeks ... They would (in case of refusal) leaf through the Kamasutra in order to have "initial" ideas about what will be done with them, both external and internal Barmaley.
    The Uzbeks were jumping around in their flirtations with them.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 31 August 2021 12: 10
      +1
      So the forces of the Collective Security Treaty Organization would have been pulled in to them and try to blame. But oh ... the Uzbeks left the CSTO and started playing with nationalism. Has the Uzbek delegation already departed for Moscow?
    2. DDT
      DDT 14 September 2021 10: 48
      0
      Quote: alekseymartin
      But this is a "Call" for the "brothers" of Uzbeks ... They would (in case of refusal) leaf through the Kamasutra in order to have "initial" ideas about what will be done with them, both external and internal Barmaley.
      The Uzbeks were jumping around in their flirtations with them.

      The Tambov wolf is your "brother".
  15. babylon
    babylon 31 August 2021 12: 06
    -2
    Do not return anything to anyone, let alone people
    And Tajikistan needs to help Massoud more actively, because there are mainly Tajiks and pilots to be involved in his support.
    1. sifgame
      sifgame 31 August 2021 20: 07
      +1
      Why would Tajikistan do this?
  16. Pavel57
    Pavel57 31 August 2021 12: 11
    0
    Quote: vch62388
    Without spare parts and consumables, without regulatory documentation? It's scrap metal. You can't fly this.

    You can get everything for money.
    1. vch62388
      vch62388 31 August 2021 14: 06
      0
      Well, this is only if you buy (steal) from Kabul all the regulatory documentation for each specific board. How else to determine the overhaul life of each unit and unit? In aviation, this is very strict.
  17. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 31 August 2021 12: 12
    0
    A pair of Super Tucano, I would ask the Uzbeks for testing from us, as well as a pair of UH60
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 31 August 2021 12: 25
      +1
      There is nothing interesting there. Neither Supertukano nor UH60. All critical US technologies have been removed or destroyed. All that remains is that which is of no interest to US competitors.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 31 August 2021 12: 26
        +2
        The Tucano apparatus itself and the very concept of such an anti-partisan attack aircraft are interesting.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 31 August 2021 12: 36
          0
          Why is it interesting? Initially as a training aircraft, it was upgraded to a light attack aircraft for working on unprotected targets. The cab is sheathed with Kevlar. Actually, we have almost the same - the Yak-152 as a training one, although it is still experienced, but not the essence. It's not so difficult to upgrade it to a light attack aircraft, but why? Yak-130 with better characteristics is more suitable.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 31 August 2021 12: 40
            +1
            We do not have a living Yak 152 yet, we have no experience of using such an apparatus either, weapons comparable to the Tucano are now appearing .... And this opens up opportunities for the Russian Federation to use such machines.
            1. sifgame
              sifgame 31 August 2021 20: 17
              +1
              As it is not, there have been for several years. And why does the Russian Aerospace Forces need this toucan or its concept, a non-attack aircraft for the poor. The clan of Tukanists has simply taken shape in recent years. There is no Su-34 clan, but what happened there decided to fly away a serious problem. And then the toucan flies in and scares the partisans, it’s cool, and they say that the air defense doesn’t take any weapons and it doesn’t feel comfortable. Not a dream plane. In this case, the dream of the Afghan army.
              1. mmaxx
                mmaxx 4 September 2021 06: 29
                -1
                No Yau-152 ..., no. A sad chapter in our aviation.
          2. mmaxx
            mmaxx 4 September 2021 06: 28
            -1
            Taking into account how we now "know how to make" such airplanes and, in general, out of interest, Tkan would be useful to us
  18. fif21
    fif21 31 August 2021 12: 46
    +2
    And they captured our IL 76 and did not want to return it, how is that? Who said the planes belong to the Taliban? Moreover, the crews of the planes! Let the mattress mats return their arms wassat
  19. Kushka
    Kushka 31 August 2021 13: 02
    +1
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    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Well, let's put it with the planes later it can burn out, and it is enough for the pilots to ask for political asylum, they didn’t swear allegiance to the Taliban.

    That's it. Here the Turkish version with the Greeks (these gave the fugitives to Erdogan, EMIP) does not work
  20. Andobor
    Andobor 31 August 2021 15: 14
    +2
    There is practically no electricity production in Afghanistan, and the main exporter of Uzbekistan, if the lights are turned off, even the Taliban will not like it.
  21. Michael Y
    Michael Y 31 August 2021 15: 57
    -1
    The Americans will make the Basmachis attack Uzbekistan, i.e. create a hot spot south of Russia.
  22. fa2998
    fa2998 31 August 2021 16: 53
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    .The Taliban - while a terrorist organization - this time,

    Secondly, there are resistance forces, even there is a vice-president (2nd person of the state) Yes, and they were preparing to resist the Taliban. Can they be in Panjer? hi
  23. Dimon Dimonov_2
    Dimon Dimonov_2 31 August 2021 18: 24
    0
    There is one solution ... to glaze Afghanistan ... by the American decision of Vietnam ...
  24. DDT
    DDT 31 August 2021 22: 03
    -2
    Has the grunt shut up already, or is he still writing?
    Firstly: I wanted to remind the respected public that Uzbekistan lost one MiG-29 .... An expensive car, however. The Taliban will probably have to fork out well IF! they really hope to get their Tu (sh) kans back.
    And secondly, the Uzbek army has 25 "thousand" only in the southern regions, just where * the Taliban decided to demand something, so it seems to me that the Afghans will jump, dance bacha-bazi, compose a beautiful fairy tale for domestic consumption and everyone will go to sleep ...
    If Fashington doesn’t hurry up, the pilots can be deported to Afghanistan. Uzbekistan far-sightedly did not sign a single document on the reception of refugees ... hi
  25. bihola
    bihola 1 September 2021 05: 40
    -2
    Uzbekistan will not give anything away.
  26. anclevalico
    anclevalico 1 September 2021 07: 53
    -1
    What, seriously, will the pilots be handed over to the Taliban?
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    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 1 September 2021 09: 01
      0
      You are talking about MUSLIMS

      At the moment, the Taliban are behaving more appropriately than the Ghani government (Muslims under American control) or Zelensky (Ukrainians under American control). Maybe it's not about religion? wink
      What to do?

      That is, we ourselves create a problem at our side, excellent logic.
      On the contrary, as long as they demonstrate adequacy, one should respond in kind. The Chinese are ready to invest about 88 billion dollars only in the railway within the framework of the One Belt-One Road project, not counting the development of deposits of lithium and other minerals. For such a large investment, a calm environment is needed.
  28. EvilLion
    EvilLion 1 September 2021 08: 21
    0
    Who are the Taliban, and why should Uzbekistan, which is at least a recognized state, care about them? They can demand anything.
  29. Alt 22
    Alt 22 1 September 2021 08: 25
    0
    The pilots have the right to go wherever they want, the Americans fed them - let them take the collaborators to their place, and the equipment - the Taliban are like a terrorist organization? Nobody will hand over weapons to terrorists, goodbye.
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 1 September 2021 09: 23
      0
      Pilots have the right

      The Taliban are one step away from being officially recognized as a legitimate state power. As for the pilots, it is controversial, but the planes definitely give up, there will be more problems.
      1. Alt 22
        Alt 22 1 September 2021 09: 36
        +1
        Well, IF they are recognized by the official authorities, then it will be possible to talk. In the meantime, the Taliban are a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation. Because this terrorist organization has seized control over the territories of Afghanistan, it has not ceased to be terrorist.
        You would still have ISIS (banned in all adequate countries) offered to transfer weapons - well, cho, they also had huge territories under their control, they were also "the only power in a huge region"!
        1. strannik1985
          strannik1985 1 September 2021 10: 50
          0
          Well, IF

          It's a matter of months, government policy is not a weathervane to change every week.
          Would you still be ISIS

          1. Blacks are fighting the Russians in Syria, the Taliban are fighting the Americans in Afghanistan. These are slightly different things.
          2. At the moment, Afghanistan is one of the main centers of heroin production in the world, and only the normalization of relations with the new government depends on the limitation of its production. At least for the sake of this, it is worth trying to establish normal relations.
          1. Alt 22
            Alt 22 1 September 2021 23: 53
            0
            From the fact that terrorists fought against the Americans, they did not cease to be terrorists. Let me remind you that there is a court decision of the Russian court that recognized the Taliban as a terrorist organization.
            And the position "you no longer consider us terrorists and we do not sell heroin to your country for this" looks more like blackmail than a real renunciation of terrorist activities and drug trafficking.
  30. Borisych
    Borisych 1 September 2021 10: 54
    +1
    The Uzbeks do not owe anything to the Taliban. The Taliban must prove that they are power, not a gang. Russia also does not need to rush to confess. Recognized by states. There is no state in Afghanistan now, and the bearded, even too armed, can always be quantitatively multiplied by zero.
  31. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 1 September 2021 13: 23
    +1
    At one time, Uzbekistan was able to resist aggression from the territory of Afghanistan, without help and without looking back at mattresses. We will still look at the stability of the Taliban in Afghanistan; seizing power does not mean keeping it. I understand now all the branches are busy with fairy tales that the Islamists changed their colors and became white and fluffy, but we all know that "you can't wash a black dog white." We have already passed the democratic Islamists.
  32. General failure
    General failure 1 September 2021 22: 05
    +1
    in the Uzbek leadership will be forced to fulfill the demands of the militants, although the final decision has not yet been made.

    An extremely strange statement.
    The Taliban are not (yet) recognized by the government of the "Afghanistan" state, which actually owns the goods that have flown to Uzbekistan. They are going to build some kind of Sharia Emirate there.
    And even more so, the Taliban do not own pilots and other personnel - there is no slavery anywhere (at least officially) - they are free people and can stay wherever they want.

    So sfigali Uzbekistan forced fulfill these requirements? Because the Taliban are very bearded and very greyhound? So it can be corrected.