NATO does not consider the war in Donbass the reason for Kiev's refusal to become a member of the alliance

Military operations carried out on the territory of a particular country are not grounds for refusing to join NATO. The alliance's ambassador to Ukraine, Alexander Vinnikov, made a statement.

A NATO spokesman encouraged Kiev by stating that the war in Donbass is not an obstacle to Ukraine's entry into the alliance, since there is no such restriction in the organization's charter. So Ukraine is on the "right path" and must continue to prepare for joining the North Atlantic bloc.

At the same time, Vinnikov stressed that the admission of a country to NATO is a political decision that is taken collectively after studying all the pros and cons of such a decision. Particular attention is paid to the security issue of the alliance itself, i.e. whether the new member can improve security or the opposite will be true.

Thus, according to the NATO ambassador, Brussels can admit Ukraine into an alliance even with territorial problems, but since the decision is taken collectively, Kiev needs to "continue to prepare."

Speaking once again about the prospects for Ukraine's joining NATO, the representative of the alliance stressed that Kiev should continue reforms, and NATO will continue to provide assistance in the fight against "Russian aggression."

Let us recall that Ukraine intends to become a NATO member in any case, joining the alliance and the EU is enshrined even in the country's constitution. Despite all the statements of the Ukrainian authorities about their readiness to become a member of the alliance "today", Brussels continues to feed Kiev with promises. As has been repeatedly stated earlier, NATO is simply afraid to completely spoil relations with Russia.

Comments

[DMoroz]

Gentlemen always play by the rules. And if the gentlemen are not satisfied with the rules, they rewrite them ... Although lately they have not bothered with this either.

[Peak]

A NATO spokesman encouraged Kiev by stating that the war in Donbass is not an obstacle to Ukraine's entry into the alliance, since there is no such restriction in the organization's charter.

"Did the NATO representative take into account the" dissenting opinion "of a number of NATO members regarding the general issue of Ukraine's joining the alliance?

But the decision - "to accept not to accept", in the block is made in a consolidated way ...

Or is there no such procedure in the NATO Charter either? ?

[hrych]

Alexander Vinnikov does not decide anything, this is a small fry against Chancellors, Presidents and Kings, who really decide. Secondly, there is now post-Afghan calming of all Tabaki. Now a faded battle of the elites will begin inside the United States. Catastrophic economic situation and racial problems. Now the United States, as a gas station country, is being rescued by high prices for LNG in the Asia-Pacific region. But this is only to close a small hole. Economic problems actually drove the United States out of Afghanistan, drives them out of Iraq. Trump tried to impose the costs on his allies, but he was given a ride. The US has no funds and will soon have 30 trillion in debt
http://fincan.ru/articles/13_gosdolg-ssha-v-realynom-vremeni/

[Kittymoore]

It's like that.
Here you can watch the collapse of the United States online without SMS and registration.
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[Vladimir Mashkov]

Vinnikov is lying, of course, and encourages the ukrov authorities to continue teasing Russia. And why would NATO accept Ukraine as a member and bear any responsibility for it, if they already do everything they are ordered to, WITHOUT any NATO responsibility for them?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

do whatever they are ordered to, WITHOUT any NATO responsibility for them

Indeed, why? NATO understands perfectly well, xnj The Russian bear should not be teased once again (especially in light of the latest events in Afghanistan, where the West has done it to the fullest). If they accept Ukraine into the alliance, then on the same day, NATO will immediately lose a new member. Together with the statehood of Ukraine. And who, America will protect?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: hrych

The US has no funds and will soon have 30 trillion in debt

please be generous !! explain how you can be due to yourself ????

[hrych]

And what about the debt to China, Japan, etc.?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: hrych

And what about the debt to China, Japan, etc.?

And what about the debts of China, Japan, the European Union .. ?? I just ask you to explain - how can you be due to yourself? because the dollar is provided by the economies of the whole world

[hrych]

The dollar is not provided. This is just one of the reserve currencies. And now they do not carry greens in bags in wagons, this is only the equivalent of a calculation. All settlements are carried out using the SWIFT system. She is in Brussels. The United States was not allowed to approach SWIFT, and only after the attack on Gemini was it allowed to track the transactions of terrorists. The United States also managed to disconnect Iran and North Korea from SWIFT, but these countries did not rush to trade for dollars, as the Americans thought, but began to trade for national currencies and barter. This especially strengthened the yuan. Those. the attempt to put economic control under control failed and the West lost more, payments went by.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: hrych

The dollar is not provided. This is just one of the reserve currencies.

how is this not ensured? even in our Central Bank there are treasuries, they are also in the Central Bank of the whole world, local currency is issued for them, which is a repainted dollar ... Through the efforts of the aboriginal Central Banks, national currencies are inflating in relation to the green paper, thus the welfare of many countries migrates to American banks
No colleague, the work of the dollar will end only when a currency pegged to a common equivalent appears, an energy ruble, for example. Fantastic, of course. If this happens, it will also happen with a capital letter.

[hrych]

There was the Bretton Woods system, where the dollar was really tightly pegged to gold. Also, the currencies of the participants are rigidly pegged to the dollar, which means gold. This system was replaced by the Jamaican one. And it was the fall of Saigon that preceded it. Saigon fell in 1975, and Jamaican was accepted in 1976. Coincidence? According to the Jamaican dollar, the dollar is untied from gold, but ... the London Stock Exchange defines the dollar ... as black gold. The main commodity of mankind. Now the main currency is black gold. And it is not the currency that determines the price of oil, but the oil determines the exchange rate of the reserve currencies and more.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: hrych

Now the main currency is black gold. And it is not the currency that determines the price of oil, but the oil determines the exchange rate of the reserve currencies and more.

absolutely right! now. More recently, this currency had a negative value. but pay attention! - when oil becomes cheaper, gold becomes more expensive.
periodically there are ups and downs of metals, diamonds ... at this time there is an active purchase of goods that have fallen in price, and when they become more expensive, they are sold but already by those who bought up on time ... Naturally, the difference in rates allows you to continue printing dollars.
The whole performance with the flight from Afghanistan, nothing more than a special operation to provide weapons to the key factor - hungry and greedy aborigines, then the struggle for power, leverage and War ...

[hrych]

There was no escape, they left an armed puppet regime with a huge army to the teeth. It is not the fault of the Americans that this army fled. And the shame came later, when the evacuation of collaborators began. Besides the loss of Afgan, the US has lost the friendship of Pakistan. This is, if not worse. In fact, if you look at oil prices, then all the peaks coincide with well-known events in the world. And since the dollar is now variable, then the dependence of gold on black gold shows a kind of history diagram.

Note the peak after Saigon, and the peaks of the 21st century coincide with the events when Russia was resurrected and the United States was losing its hegemony. The peak when EBN kicked up after Yugoslavia and showed the GDP, the second peak, when Putin crushed the oligarchy and was elected, not like a zits, but a tsar. The third peak of the pogrom of Georgia. What the diagram will be now, let's see. But Obama's chart, when he took the United States at the peak of his power, and left a lame duck. Current events are just a consequence.

[knn54]

It is beneficial for the West to use Ukraine in its own interests and, most importantly, without ANY obligations.
If you look at Biden from behind, you can see that the opinion of the members of the alliance is split.
If in front, the question of Ukraine's admission to NATO is not, and will not be.

[military_cat]

Quote: DMoroz

And if the gentlemen are not satisfied with the rules, they rewrite them ...

Before that they had regularly explained, with references to NATO documents, that there was no such rule. It is rather a reason to make a note for yourself who stated the existing things, and who - how it was more pleasant to him.

[Svarog]

The United States is preparing to fight .. with the hands of the Taliban and Ukrainians .. and other unreasonable ..

[ximkim]

In vain he said this.

[Mountain shooter]

How they lie !!! Listen ... I believe it will happen simultaneously - the decision to admit the Ukrainians to NATO and the loss of statehood of this misunderstanding.

[Silver bullet]

I think to those who are supposed to solve such issues in the alliance, our explained about 7 years ago that something like "when submitting for discussion before the vote on this issue, Russia automatically recognizes the LPR and DPR as independent, with hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens under threat. Poles, Romanians, Balts will fall under the distribution of military aid to the Kakelam. Seeing the unacceptable losses of the Germans, the French will “turn back.” After that, we will sit down to negotiate once again in Geneva only on our terms.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

will happen simultaneously - the decision to admit the Ukrainians to NATO and the loss of statehood of this misunderstanding.

There will be a lot of prisoners, they are not ready for such a number.

[forester1971]

Military operations carried out on the territory of a particular country are not grounds for refusing to join NATO. The alliance's ambassador to Ukraine, Alexander Vinnikov, made a statement.

Pan Vinnikov simply decided to please his former homeland. That is, this statement is most likely the personal opinion of a former Ukrainian, for which he will most likely be punished (or whatever they have) at NATO headquarters.

[rocket757]

They hung up the carrots again, another ... otherwise, the previous one has completely rotted!

[Moonsund]

there is no clause in the NATO charter prohibiting the admission of countries with unresolved conflicts.

There is only a mention that the candidate countries must demonstrate a desire to resolve the conflict.
All restrictions on joining NATO are formulated in Article 10 of the North Atlantic Treaty:
1) the candidate country must be located in Europe;
2) the candidate country must share the principles of the Treaty, facilitate their further advancement and be able to contribute to improving the security of the North Atlantic region;
3) all member countries of the alliance must agree to admit a new member.
All.

[75 Sergey]

They can prepare for anything, but NATO will not go to an open confrontation with Russia.

[Graz]

will go as long as it goes. so they will accept Ukraine in NATO no matter what, and then what should we do?
what did Churchill say
“If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it gets both war and shame”
Russia will face such a choice, and here I am not sure of our leadership. freak out sooner. after all, the kids are all in the west, as well as not a small part of the stash for a rainy day

[75 Sergey]

We will see, all the same there is nowhere to go.

[Kittymoore]

To do nothing. What happens then?

[Petro_tut]

As Shoigu said - we will move the capital to the Urals, by the way, this is the optimal solution

[Wedmak]

in NATO they are simply afraid to completely spoil relations with Russia.

It is not excluded that such a day may come - Ukraine is admitted to NATO after it has been pumped up with weapons of its own standard. Then we will get the strongest irritant in the region. Given the inadequacy of the Ukrainian leadership, this could end in a clash between the Russian Federation and Ukraine. And most likely the initiator will be Ukraine, and NATO will easily jump off, tk. do not intend to harness the aggressor (there are examples).
As a result: a turmoil in the entire Black Sea region, Russia again has a hot conflict on the borders, there will also be imposed sanctions "for aggression". With the USA, they are quite rubbing their pens.

[Pavel73]

In principle, everything goes to this. And the de-Russification of Ukraine is part of this plan. So that today's Ukrainian children cannot perceive Russians as their own. And so that after 10 years the hand does not flinch.

[Kittymoore]

Do Russian children perceive them as their own? Hatred is mutual and there is no getting away from it.

[Pavel73]

Yes, I no longer perceive Ukrainians as my own. Despite so far one language. And the statements of our leadership about "brotherhood" and even "one people" cause nothing but irritation to me. After "Moskals for Knives!" the brotherhood is over. Such "brothers" are worse than enemies.

[Kittymoore]

Well, then why this pseudo-grief, if Ukrainians are at least indifferent to you, and at the most hateful?

Well, Ukrainian children won't consider you theirs, don't you give a damn?

[Pavel73]

And this is not sorrow. This is a moral preparation for the inevitable - for war. It will begin when a completely de-Russified generation grows up in Ukraine, and NATO weapons are put into their hands. There are still ten years before this war. They are still children.

[Kittymoore]

Well, that means the brothers Slavs will once again cut each other. It happens.

[Pavel73]

Yes, alas. Divided and dominated.

[URAL72]

It is unlikely that Ukraine's economy is destroyed by the share of accepting it into NATO and the EU. Rather, they are preparing a new Afghanistan for Russia. But this is not the mentality. My hut is on the edge, that's their motto.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: URAL72

Rather, they are preparing a new Afghanistan for Russia.

The scenario is the same, the training manual is the same, the villagers are the same, the Taliban and Bandera are the same.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

Alliance Ambassador to Ukraine Alexander Vinnikov made a speech.

Well, if this is also confirmed by cleaning manager * Aunt Sarah from NATO headquarters, then Ukraine can consider itself already accepted.
* (cleaning manager) - a cleaner.

[Roma 1977]

Naturally, the war in Donbass is not an obstacle. After all, there is no war in Donbass. Long ago, Ukraine signed the Minsk Armistice Agreements. Another thing is that Ukraine continues to regularly violate these agreements. But what the ambassador did not say was that a country that has territorial disputes with other countries, that is, Crimea, cannot be a NATO member. But we will not upset our smaller brothers. May hope continue to warm their wrinkled hearts ...

[Avior]

... that a country that has territorial disputes with other countries cannot be a member of NATO

Not disputes with other countries, but territorial claims against other countries. This is not in the NATO Charter, but the established practice is such a rejection of territorial claims.

[Prisoner]

They say fight lads, fight, and we will take you into nature. May be. But not today or tomorrow. Someday. The main thing is to believe and hope and of course fight. It is necessary. Well, not ya ?!

[Kronos]

I read the comments and remembered. “There are only two points of view: mine and the wrong one.” - Richard Long Arms

[KCA]

Acceptance requires not the opinion of the majority, but consent all NATO members, it seems to me that there will be countries from which territories have been cut off little by little, will be against admission until these pieces are returned back, or, at least, they will not become federal republics

[Avior]

All neighbors of Ukraine, when joining NATO, officially renounced territorial claims, this is a rule.

[KCA]

Well, until they are made federal republics

[tihonmarine]

Particular attention is paid to the security issue of the alliance itself, i.e. whether the new member can improve security or the opposite will be true.

Such lads need to be accepted into NATU unambiguously. The period of the "Afghan syndrome" is over, it is time to move on to the "Kiev syndrome".

[rotmistr60]

NATO spokesman encouraged Kiev ... Kiev needs to "keep preparing"

This is what I understand "encouraged" - we would of course accept you, but so far the team is against it. Whoever has not encouraged Ukraine and all sorts of Borelli, Merkeli, Macrons and US presidents, and "friends of Ukraine", but words remain words. At the same time, Ukrainian politicians striving by any means to get into NATO and the EU continue to "sincerely" believe in promises and hang noodles on the ears of their people. True "sincerity" lies in the fact that you can not accept it yet, but the main thing is to give us money, weapons and try to correct our economy. Trying to get into the "European paradise" at someone else's expense, they end up striding widely into the abyss.

[Vladimir61]

All those standing in line for the status of "Europeans" will never become such for "old" Europe! And the status in NATO gives nothing but responsibilities. This has long been understood in Turkey, and even in one of the oldest countries in Europe - Poland. Where the local media crackle slogans that the United States is ready to fight for Poland, to the last Pole.

[APASUS]

As soon as the Americans have no problems, Ukraine and Georgia will be admitted to NATO, the next day. Whatever the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the fight against corruption. This is precisely a political decision, the Baltic states as an example. There, in general, all three countries did not even come to eligibility criteria, but they were accepted.

[senima56]

In order to once again screw up Russia, the Americans, the Anglo-Saxons, etc., will do anything! They will give up their rules and words for this!
So we need to act "in a mirror" way. For a start, for example, to revive the naval base in Cuba. And thus, as one politician said: "Put a hedgehog in the pants of the Americans!"

[Nikolaevich I]

1917 : V. Lenin. "If revolutionary expediency requires one to give a damn about legality, then this must be done!"
1993 B. Yeltsin. "If political expediency requires breaking the law, then we will do it!"
This is the world! What laws will you impose on a wolf if he wants to eat?

[GAndr]

Well, they have already been told that an attempt to accept 404 into NATO will be the end of the "anti-Russia" project as such. Russia will simply bring in its troops. And then no one will care about the democratic howl ..

[Normann]

And with whom, I am ashamed to ask, is Ukraine fighting?

[Andobor]

Donbass does not count, - Crimea does not count, it cannot but count.