"Saiga" on the basis of "Toyota" instead of UAZ-469: in Ukraine presented an SUV to replace the Soviet

The tender announced by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for the development and supply of an off-road vehicle for the Ukrainian army, which will replace the Soviet UAZ, has come to the stage of providing ready-made samples. According to the Ukrainian media, the first to cope with the task was the company "Ukrainian armored vehicles".

The company's specialists did not bother too much with the creation of their own car, taking the Japanese Toyota Hilux SUV as a basis and modifying it under the terms of reference. It is reported that the new car, created within the framework of the ROC "Saigak", namely, this name will be given to the SUV that won the competition, "adapted for use by the Ukrainian military."

It is emphasized that when it was created, the experience of the countries of Eastern Europe, which had already replaced the Soviet UAZ-469, was taken into account, and the requirements of the Ukrainian military stationed in the Donbas in the JFO zone were taken into account.

According to the Ukrainian edition "Militarny", specialists of the Czech company Glomex, which supplies vehicles to the Polish and Czech armies, had a hand in the creation of the new "Saiga".

According to the general director of "Ukrainian armored vehicles" Vladislav Belbas, the new SUV fully complies with NATO standards and is ready for state tests.

"Ukrainian armored vehicles" became the first company out of six that managed to submit its own development for the competition within the timeframe specified by the Ministry of Defense - by September 1, 2021. However, potential competitors have two more days before the specified date, so we are waiting News from Ukraine on new SUVs designed to replace the Soviet UAZ-469.

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[andr327]

The Japanese SUV Toyota Hilux is not bad at all, but it's still an import. The money is certainly not ours, but it is still expensive. And how to put a blackout on it, although you can chase the vodka without blackout.

[Orange bigg]

Are they taking an example from the Taliban?

... In the photographs and video footage that accompanied the Taliban seizure of the territory of Afghanistan, you can see the favorite mode of transport of Afghan militants - the Toyota Hilux pickup. These and other cars have become iconic for them since the nineties. For more information about the cars of the new owners of Kabul, see the article "Gazeta.Ru".

Twenty years later, the Toyota Hilux pickup has once again become a symbol and informal embodiment of the Taliban (an organization banned in Russia) power on the streets of Kabul. Before the American invasion of Afghanistan in 20, the Taliban actively used this vehicle - and not only for military purposes.

For example, the police moved on them - the Taliban in black turbans with AK-47s could jump down from the body at any time and, for example, beat a woman because her bare ankles flashed, or lock a man in a transport container for three weeks until his beard grows to the legal length. Or - to drag the accused of adultery or blasphemy, tied on a rope, to the football stadium for execution.

https://m.gazeta.ru/auto/2021/08/17_a_13886654.shtml

[andr327]

Will only friends-occupiers give them in sufficient quantity?

[Orange bigg]

Of course not. The Taliban, if only steal.

[isv000]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Of course not. The Taliban, if only steal.

It won't work for the Taliban - they have to ride something to Orenburg ...

[private person]

Of course not. The Taliban, if only steal.

It won't work for the Taliban - they have to ride something to Orenburg ... winked


Please explain what does Orenburg have to do with it? Didn't you drop your head on the tile as a child in the maternity hospital?

[isv000]

Quote: private person

Please explain what does Orenburg have to do with it? Didn't you drop your head on the tile as a child in the maternity hospital?

No. And where did you get such knowledge - do you still remember that Soviet tile? Well, okay - it's yours, it will go with you.
Now about Orenburg, I'll try as simply as possible to get it: Kazakhstan is nearby, one of the targets for a fire in our soft underbelly. As our president said, there you can ride a thousand kilometers in jeeps across the steppe without encountering resistance. That's all, then try it yourself, for some reason, I believe in you ...

[private person]

near Kazakhstan, one of the targets for a fire in our soft underbelly.

In Kazakhstan, there is enough of its own "good" without the Taliban. And "our" president says and promises a lot.

[Kushka]

Oh, primitive like, "on the tile, head" ...
Anecdote (Soviet):
Provincial maternity hospital workers came to exchange experience
to the newest metropolitan. They walk with their mouths open - halls of glass are all around,
cabins, sterility and vacuum, babies move on a conveyor belt.
At each post, the essence of the operation is explained to them. And now on the next
medical post, so carefully, every 10th baby, rubber
hammer on the crown bam! To the question - why is this? - was the answer -
And in our bright future ... (insert a profession to taste) too
will be required!

[Orange bigg]

Quote: isv000

Quote: OrangeBigg

Of course not. The Taliban, if only steal.

It won't work for the Taliban - they have to ride something to Orenburg ...

Well, you are a dreamer. The Taliban would at least get to Panjshir.

.The most efficient division of the Taliban suffered huge losses, reaching the Panjshir Valley ... and was forced to retreat.

Members of the Taliban terrorist movement (banned on Russian territory - ed.) Report that one of the most efficient units managed to break into the Panjshir Valley, where the resistance forces are located. Nevertheless, despite the huge losses, according to preliminary data, about 250 terrorists were killed on the way, the Taliban were subsequently forced to retreat under the attacks of the Northern Alliance.

According to the data provided, the Taliban tried to quickly break into the defense area of ​​the resistance forces in Panjshir, however, the restored Afghan army opened fire with tanks and artillery means. As a result, most of the militants were killed before they could reach the entrance to the valley. The attempt to occupy the region was also extremely unsuccessful for the terrorists, since after an hour-long battle the militants lost about a hundred more fighters and were forced to retreat without achieving any success.

https://avia.pro/news/terroristy-talibana-voshli-v-pandzhsherskuyu-dolinu-s-kolossalnymi-poteryami-i-vynuzhdeny-byli

[isv000]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Well, you are a dreamer. The Taliban would at least get to Panjshir.

They laughed the same with Nenka until it became bitter. And the Kazakhs already have language patrols with clear intentions to ride in the central square. If the Tajiks are still helping the lion cub for a while, then the Kirghiz can be passed like a knife through butter ...

[Orange bigg]

... They laughed the same with Nenka until it became bitter.

Who has “not felt bitter yet?” Nenka or what?

... And the Kazakhs already have language patrols with clear intentions to ride in the central square.

If there is no mind, then they will become the second Ukraine and will make themselves worse. And where are the patrols to be honest, do not care.

If the Tajiks still help the lion cub for a while, then the Kirghiz can be passed like a knife through butter ... yes

Who will go through like a knife through butter? Taliban on pickup trucks perhaps in foreign countries without the support of the local population? It's funny, a much larger ISIS was destroyed as an army, and here is the Taliban with its 60 thousand.

[Agent cooper]

Well, the Kazakhs saw how the guarantor protected the Russians in Ukraine: he put a candle, and in the bushes with a formidable silence - we are not there.

[Finches]

They are doing everything right! But the strongest auto industry went to Ukraine from the USSR! They've ruined everything - beggars, everyone must, but they will carry their asses on Toyota ... Don't forget to tie the "Hammer" to the roof with adhesive tape!

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Finches

They are doing everything right! But the strongest auto industry went to Ukraine from the USSR! They've ruined everything - beggars, everyone must, but they will carry their asses on Toyota ... Don't forget to tie the "Hammer" to the roof with adhesive tape!

Ukroreyh turns into ukroreyh turns into a minitaliban.

[Zaurbek]

What are the options? Start production of a pickup truck? This is still an impossible task even in the Russian Federation.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Zaurbek

What are the options? Start production of a pickup truck? This is still an impossible task even in the Russian Federation.

What's overwhelming? The engine from the Zavolzhsky Motor Plant (ZMZ). Photo at the link below.

.UAZ has launched the production of pickups with a machine gun from "Patriot"
Acceptance of orders for a UAZ Pickup with a Punch Powerglide machine like the Patriot opened on April 1, but the production of the corresponding modification has started only now. In less than three months that have passed since the announcement, the Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant managed to slightly revise the price list.

The initial price decreased from 1 to 181 rubles, but this amount was formed taking into account all special offers. In fact, the junior configuration "Optimum" will cost 000 rubles. For this money, buyers will receive LED daytime running lights, ABS and EBD, driver and passenger front airbags, power windows for all doors, electric drive and heated exterior mirrors, air conditioning, a steering column with adjustable reach and angle. In older trim levels, there are light-alloy wheels, climate control, and a rear-view camera. The top assembly "Status" is estimated at 1 rubles.

As in the case of the SUV, the pickup with automatic transmission visually differs from the version with a mechanic radiator grille with gloss black elements. The engine in all cases is the same - a 2,7-liter 150-horsepower ZMZ.

https://ru.motor1.com/news/430661/uaz-pickup-automat-production/

[Zaurbek]

UAZ is a constructor ...... that has no prospects .... the Army doesn't even buy it. And the generals moved to HawalN9.
The best thing that UAZ could do is to stop developing and simply license the full cycle Hilux of any model year.

[isv000]

Quote: Zaurbek

Start production of a pickup truck? This is still an impossible task even in the Russian Federation.

So there is a pickup, based on the UAZ. I'm not talking about quality, but about the availability of a model, in fact ...

[Zaurbek]

So that is ..... but in the Russian army, UAZ is now not the most common car and its analogue is made by GAZ

[URAL72]

Already in the winter, automobile companies appeared in the DPR brigades. They are equipped with UAZ pick-up trucks with a machine under the Utes or DShK. The fighters are as happy as elephants. In Dokuchaevsk, near the old market, such a fashionable man in dark glasses sits behind the wheel, does not see anyone. He approached, as he gave his palm on the forehead, even the glasses fell off and the cigarette fell out. Hello infantry! He probably was blown up for a minute (I was in civilian clothes). But I found out.

[hagen]

Quote: andr327

The money is certainly not ours, but it is still expensive.

The more you spend on Toyota and other imports, the less will be left on all sorts of neptune and salaries for the troops. And hungry soldiers are unreliable soldiers. Moreover, not defending their homes, but forced to conquer it is not clear what and why ... I had to offer them "Geliki" .... soundly, expensive and show-off, again ...

[Zaurbek]

Quite a good option. You can make a car with an ATGM. like our Cornet-D, only with 4 missiles and one "head"

[Orange bigg]

This option is still preferable. Is not it?

[Zaurbek]

and more expensive ....... I think that in the Russian Federation they will make a "half" knowingly sawing a light jeep. As far as I understand, there are 2 pieces of Kornet ATGM on the Tiger, and one ATGM with 4 launchers can be put on a lighter machine.

[dimy44]

Toyota SUVs are famous for their performance, but where's the money, Zin?

[Zaurbek]

Hilux in comparison with specialized military equipment - Cheap ... and its resource is large. And with supplies it is not difficult, even the Ishilovites were not repaired by any obstacles.

[Hermann]

Perhaps I will add a photo, Tula Victory Parade on May 9, 2019.

[Zaurbek]

What kind of amateur performance? He would have shown FV Amarok at the parade with AHT AHT 88mm

[Hermann]

It seems that the MTR was adopted.

[Zaurbek]

They can have anything in place ...

[Agent cooper]

They bought it, then they will write it off to whoever needs it. Theft of pure water.

[210ox]

I will not argue about the characteristics. But it was surprising how quickly the headlights turned yellow on an expensive car operated at the enterprise.

[tralflot1832]

And how many Helixes can you buy for one Saiga? The Comavtobat cannot make the Helix on its own? Not an option?

[Lynx2000]

Quote: tralflot1832

And how many Helixes can you buy for one Saiga? The Comavtobat cannot make the Helix on its own? Not an option?

The times have come, off-road tuning is passed off as military modernization. In Ukraine, at least 6-8 years ago, there were handy craftsmen, they gave efficient advice on fine-tuning an SUV.
Saiga "modernized" for the army:

Hilux of medium refinement for off-road AT35 (average price of revision 890 thousand rubles):

[tralflot1832]

In the sense of cutting the budget, I mentioned Komavtobat. A commission of the Armed Forces of Ukraine arrives at the autobath, and there, for the place of Helixes, again UAZs, but only from Sochi, for raids into the mountains off-road. To the question: What is this, a direct answer: That we are not modernizing everything western UAZ turns out. And if each of the commissions on the luxury Helix, then the UAZ will easily be Tayota, the most important thing is not to go to the parade. Everyone is happy!

[Cron]

According to the general director of "Ukrainian armored vehicles" Vladislav Belbas, the new SUV fully complies with NATO standards.

[SaLaR]

What beautiful bends .... you can't adjust them with a sledgehammer)))) The main thing is to look at the parade)))) They would immediately replace them with Lexus and Maybachs ...

[isv000]

Quote: SaLaR

Immediately, they would replace them with Lexus and Maybachs ...

It is also possible on Aurus ...

[Brturin]

Quote: isv000

You can also use Aurus ..

They are still experimenting with engines ... as well as flying the model will be released ...
During the current International Airshow (MAKS-2021) in Zhukovsky, specialists from the Central Institute of Aviation Motors named after V.I. PI Baranova (CIAM, part of the N. Ye. Zhukovsky Research Center) will present to the public the first domestic piston aircraft demonstrator engine APD-500, installed on the Yak-18T test aircraft. Already this summer, the first phase of flight tests of the engine will begin: first, to work out the elements of taxiing along the airfield, acceleration and braking on the ground, and then the second - in the format of a flying laboratory (it is planned to lift the car into the air in the second half of this year). The principal feature of this engine is that it is designed on the basis of an automobile engine serially produced by FSUE NAMI for the domestic line of luxury cars Aurus. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4908481

[dimy44]

You can fix UAZs on your knee, but Toyota needs a full-fledged car service, where will they serve them? I am sure that this is a deplorable situation in vehicle fleets.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: dimy44

You can fix UAZs on your knee, but Toyota needs a full-fledged car service, where will they serve them? I am sure that this is a deplorable situation in vehicle fleets.

But all the ensigns and gentlemen of the ochvitsers will have a garnished car in their household in 2 years.

[isv000]

Quote: dimy44

for Toyota, a full-fledged car service is needed, where will they serve them?

they will stand in the services for a year or two, and then they will attach legs to them, at the price of scrap metal ...

[BABAY22]

I propose to take a look at the peers of the 469th UAZ, Mitsubishi Jeep, Nissan Patrol 60, Toyota Land Cruiser 40, which could also be repaired on the knee.
But nowhere in the world they are no longer used, although cross-country ability, cheapness, and simplicity are present.

[Zaurbek]

The Japs, by the way, are in no hurry to remove many models from production. For example, the LK 70 is still in service ... and the UAZ is far from it, although the technical level is close. But the quality .... and the 70ka is sold and costs like a new Prado.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Zaurbek

The Japs, by the way, are in no hurry to remove many models from production. For example, the LK 70 is still in service ... and the UAZ is far from it, although the technical level is close. But the quality .... and the 70ka is sold and costs like a new Prado.

The TLC of the J70 series, as a descendant of the J40, is taken mainly not for ordinary trips around the city. It has its own niche of consumers, and offers configurations with three body options, ICE diesel 4,2 and 4,5 liters, ICE gasoline 4 liters. To be honest, the technical level will be higher. Some people exchange the handout for full time.
TLK Prado is a descendant of Hilux, like the first 4Ranner, Hilux Surf and Fortuner.

[Zaurbek]

It is not supplied to us, but it is officially sold to Asia and Australia. Like a Nissan patrol with bridges

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Zaurbek

It is not supplied to us, but it is officially sold to Asia and Australia. Like a Nissan patrol with bridges

This is not news to me. There are some good models that are not officially on sale.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: BABAY22

I propose to take a look at the peers of the 469th UAZ, Mitsubishi Jeep, Nissan Patrol 60, Toyota Land Cruiser 40, which could also be repaired on the knee.
But nowhere in the world they are no longer used, although cross-country ability, cheapness, and simplicity are present.

If I'm not mistaken, it was released before 1998.
The self-defense forces seem to have the Type 73 of the first generation and, since 1996, the Type 73 of the second generation, but based on the MMC Pajero 2. There are not many Toyota BXD10 (Kukidosya).

[Mavrikiy]

"Saiga" based on Toyota

The local flavor favors Chumak more.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mavrikiy

"Saiga" based on Toyota

The local flavor favors Chumak more.

The saiga antelope is closer to them in appearance.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Piramidon

The saiga antelope is closer to them in appearance.

Taste and color .... For me, Tayota will be prettier than this monster. And how will I sleep today? We'll have to "prick and forget" (Vysotsky)

[Borisych]

Denyuzhki will drink, they will make three dozen. This is always the case with them. Armored cars, tanks, boats. Here is the second copy of An-226 sawing, soon they will start calling each other thieves. But for them this is not an insult, it is like being admitted to the presidential clan. All theirs presidential brute in this clan. Cattle that kill children.

[isv000]

The company's specialists did not bother much with the creation of their own car, taking the Japanese Toyota Hilux SUV as a basis.

Specialists from the Czech company Glomex, which supplies vehicles to the Polish and Czech armies, had a hand in the creation of the new "Saiga".

Key words here - did not bother. They took Toyota, hired the Czechs, the margin - in your pocket - to steal money out of the blue - as it is in Ukrainian ...

[APASUS]

I bet this venture will fail.
1 Funds are needed here (which are not available)
2 They will ask the sponsor for money, but he himself has nowhere to put the trash
3 Junk is donated towards aid
There is only one way out for the Armed Forces of Ukraine now, accept a used HMMWV from the USA

[Xlor]

Skakuas at least changed the Toyota logo to their own toilet bowl cleaner, which for some reason they call a trident ...

[GAndr]

Quote: Zaurbek

What are the options? Start production of a pickup truck? This is still an impossible task even in the Russian Federation.

What are you talking about? UAZ has been producing pickups for a hundred years now ...

[Zaurbek]

There are only a few questions:
1. What is the quality of these crafts?
2. Who were they sold to?
3. Who Bought Them?


... don't poke me

[evgen1221]

So what did the big ones do with Toyota?

[evgen1221]

So what did the big ones do with Toyota?

[Retvizan 8]

Once again I am surprised at the cunningness of the leaders, because I read: ... "The tender announced by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for the development and delivery" ...
After that I want to ask:
- Why was it possible?
We took a Toyota model, painted it in khaki, changed it into off-road tires and voila, "developed it"! Even the audacity was enough to give the name "Saiga".
Theater of the absurd!
But being a gasket between Toyota and the APU, someone will cut down a lot of money.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

In any case, this machine is not capable of fighting and is unpatriotic! There is no trident on all parts of the body. There are no embroidery patterns - in the same place. There is no flag. There is no set of embroidered shirts for the driver and passengers. No NZ - a piece of bacon and a bottle of vodka. There is no large trunk for transporting stolen property. In general, a car cannot be used in the Ukrainian army.

[GAndr]

Quote: Zaurbek

There are only a few questions:
1. What is the quality of these crafts?
2. Who were they sold to?
3. Who Bought Them?


... don't poke me

1. Acceptable quality, for its price it simply has no competitors!
2. I can only speak for our company, we have 8 such cars on the staff of the company, but they break down, but like any other cars, but they also work in extremely difficult conditions of a complete absence of roads + they go to capacity packed with equipment and SOPs, this is 650- 700 kg + 2-3 employees ...
We are extremely satisfied with the machines, as a workhorse has not yet been found better.
3. For more than one year, our company has been buying them for itself, and we are not a state structure, you just can't force us to buy any shit.
4. I poke precisely because I have no respect for people who write all kinds of game ...

[Cheerock]

1. Acceptable quality, for its price it simply has no competitors!

D-max, for example. Hi, by the way, nifiga is not cheap today.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Given the peculiarity of the farm mentality, more serious than a walk-behind tractor, you cannot trust them anything. They steal, sell, foul and run away.

[Normann]

Where is the money? You can want everything, but is there a possibility?

[Vadim237]

The West gives out billions of dollars - so they have money.

[Andre35]

"Saiga"? Why were they so inspired by the steppe Asian cloven-hoofed animal?

[notingem]

Well, you can also call Pig or Hryun, Hog, Boar. We stopped at the Saiga for camouflage.

[Cheerock]

Lift the hilax up to 35th wheels and stick a Chinese winch into it - you don't need a lot of mind. Let them better say what to do so that all this beautiful plastic in the body kit does not fall off when branches and bushes begin to enter it. The only Ukrainian-made thing on this pickup truck is a sheet steel box. Looks like guano, by the way. Everything else is from aliexpress. The decorative kenguryatnik especially touches.