Iraq buys Turkish Bayraktar TB2 attack drones

Iraq buys Turkish-made weapons. Baghdad is very interested in drums drones, helicopters and electronic warfare systems. This is reported by the Ministry of Defense of the country.

The head of the Iraqi military department, Juma Inad Sadun, said about an "agreement reached" with Turkey on the supply of Bayraktar TB2 attack drones, but did not disclose the details of the deal. Therefore, neither the number of drones planned for the purchase, nor the timing of their delivery are known.

In addition, according to the minister, the issue of purchasing 12 T129 ATAK attack helicopters and 6 KORAL electronic warfare systems is currently being considered. There is no data available when it is planned to sign the contracts. All of Iraq's acquisitions are based on the results of the IDEF-2021 international defense industry exhibition held in Istanbul.

Earlier, the Iraqi and Western press predicted a turn of Iraq towards Russia and the purchase of Russian weapons by the country. Baghdad showed interest in Russian aviation, including helicopters, armored vehicles and air defense systems. At one time there were talks about the possible purchase of S-400 anti-aircraft systems by Iraq, but they were denied by the Iraqis themselves. There was also information about the possible purchase by the Iraqi Air Force of the Russian MiG-29 from the presence of the Russian Air Force or the new MiG-35 to replace the light F-16IQ Fighting Falcon fighters, which almost do not fly due to failure. Apparently, the priority has changed, and Baghdad turned towards Turkey.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

The Turks have done excellent marketing with their Bayraktars in Karabakh. Now sales have gone KOSYAK. And for some time they will go "by inertia", even after the understanding comes that these birds are ineffective against normal air defense. And I wonder if some kind of sports light engine is equipped with machine guns and sent to hunt for "Bayraktars" - will it be effective?
I quite believe that yes. He has no speed. He can hardly maneuver vigorously.

[ved_med12]

Yak 130, for example?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: ved_med12

Yak 130, for example?

No, too ... some kind of propeller-driven, like Yak-52 ... Such a hunter does not need high speed. And you need a two-seater, then put a soldier with a machine gun in the front cockpit. Bayraktar "from the back" does not see anything, from above and behind you can get close to him at a "pistol" distance.

[dmmyak40]

Do not forget that such drones are hung with missiles with TGSN such as Stinger or Igla for self-defense.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: dmmyak40

Do not forget that such drones are hung with missiles with TGSN such as Stinger or Igla for self-defense.

To Bayraktar? No, they don't. They (UAVs) must have a comprehensive view to use such missiles. How else to organize the capture of targets by the GOS? Well, the maneuver is appropriate. I'm afraid they don't even put on heavy UAVs. It is very difficult to use them effectively.

[mvg]

have an all-round overview

Don't you consider the option with two UAVs? One with BB missiles, the other with surface. By the way, the AIM-9X, like the Russian analogue of the R-73, is all-round. At a distance of 20 km, any Yak-52 will drop, as will the Yak-130, which has no radar at all. And yes, these Bayraktars fought quite normally with the Syrian air defense. There are real examples when planes were shot down at a distance of 50+ km, well, not counting our brothers and civilian Boeings.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: mvg

Don't you consider the option with two UAVs? One with BB missiles, the other with surface.

For this, the Turks are developing 2 jet UAVs with the ability to use V-B missiles.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: mvg

Don't you consider the option with two UAVs? One with B-B missiles, the other with surface

This is how the combat potential of the UAV was identified. One threat is to hunt them down with light aircraft. There was no Azerbaijani aviation in the air in Karabakh, and the air defense would hardly have reached it either. Through the mountains. Bayraktars they are on a radio channel continuously working. Could also use direction finders to detect them. And even with an approximate location.

[dmmyak40]

Why an all-round review? The stationary radar will detect the approach of the aircraft to the drone, the operator will give the command to turn in the direction of the attacking aircraft and launch the missile in the affected area. The Sidewinder and P-73 work well both for the attacking missile and for the carrier.

[Yujanin]

some kind of propeller, such as the Yak-52.

Not so simple. First, the drones still need to be detected. And secondly, for the full-fledged operation of the drones, 5-6 different military formations are involved. During their work, they are covered by the Air Force, Air Defense, RER, Electronic Warfare and other types of troops.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Yujanin

5-6 different military units are involved in the full-fledged work of drones. During their work, they are covered by the Air Force, Air Defense, RER, Electronic Warfare and other types of troops.

Where are they covering up? In Libya, in Karabakh, in Syria? Who? The Turks in Syria took cover ... They no longer fly there. In Libya, too, somehow they started for health, but ended ...

[Yujanin]

in Karabakh for example

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Yujanin

in Karabakh for example

Were there air defenses in Karabakh? There was corruption and chaos. "Arrows 10", which were bought "rotten" according to the "scheme", and, in principle, could not get into anything. And the Armenian army did not go to the war. So ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: ved_med12

Yak 130, for example?

La5FN.

[mitroha]

I think that there is more desire for the Anglo-Saxons, whoever, but not Russia. The Turks, in turn, under the conditions of military-technical sanctions, all is well and sales and concessions from the hegemon

[donavi49]

And I wonder if some kind of sports light engine is equipped with machine guns and sent to hunt for "Bayraktars" - will it be effective?
I quite believe that yes. He has no speed. He can hardly maneuver vigorously.

Easily. There is only a couple But:
1) Discovery. It is with this that the main problems are. That is, an airplane with an airborne radar is needed. Otherwise, it is useless even in conditions of radar guidance from the ground.
2) Countermeasures. Roughly speaking, the conditional Turkish F-16s will suit the Idlib scenario, shooting down the UAVs entering the zone.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: donavi49

1) Discovery. It is with this that the main problems are. That is, an airplane with an airborne radar is needed. Otherwise, it is useless even in conditions of radar guidance from the ground.
2) Countermeasures. Roughly speaking, the conditional Turkish F-16s will suit the Idlib scenario, shooting down the UAVs entering the zone.

About targeting from the ground. Everything will be fine. If you saw with your eyes - through binoculars - count it down. And even the operator from the ground will aim close enough to the target area. So I see - a two-seater training, in the front cockpit with a machine gun and binoculars "hunter", the pilot - in the second. Commands from the ground bring to the target area, the "hunter" detects the target, the pilot brings the confident defeat to the distance, turn, and the expensive bird somersaults towards the ground.
If the area is covered by F-16 fighters, it means that this is a DIFFERENT "status" of the conflict, and the Bayraktarov are knocked down by "Pantsiri-SM1", etc. at the same time driving away all sorts of F-16s at a distance of 20 km. Then again there is an opportunity to hunt with a light motor. Anyway cheaper.

[carstorm 11]

Marketing has nothing to do with it))) Now there is no choice in the arms market from the point of view of real competition. There is an American law by which they bend literally everyone. Iraq had at least managed to buy our equipment before that, from tanks to helicopters.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The Turks have done excellent marketing with their Bayraktars in Karabakh. Now sales have gone KOSYAK. And for some time they will go "by inertia", even after the understanding comes that these birds are ineffective against normal air defense. And I wonder if some kind of sports light engine is equipped with machine guns and sent to hunt for "Bayraktars" - will it be effective?
I quite believe that yes. He has no speed. He can hardly maneuver vigorously.

But not many have this normal air defense.

... An unknown military drone was able to break through the Russian-Ukrainian border.

The Security Service of Ukraine reports that on August 27, 2021, an unknown military drone was able to break through the Russian-Ukrainian border and carried out continuous monitoring of the military exercise area of ​​the Ukrainian Armed Forces. It is reported that, for unknown reasons, the drone was not detected by the air defense of Ukraine, and after the aircraft was detected visually, it turned out that the air defense simply could not capture the target.

“The security service of Ukraine in the Kharkiv region identified a strike unmanned aerial vehicle with foreign-made markings. The drone flew over the Kharkov region. In this regard, we ask you to properly respond to the legal requirements of law enforcement officers. If in your field of vision there are persons showing an unjustified interest in transport infrastructure, military facilities, buildings of government and administration, using video, photographic, unmanned aerial vehicles, we ask you to immediately report to the SBU Directorate in the Kharkiv region ", - said in the message of the SBU.

https://avia.pro/news/neizvestnyy-voennyy-bespilotnik-prorvalsya-cherez-rossiysko-ukrainskuyu-granicu-sbit-ego-ne


Well, the news on the DNR. Precisely brought.

On August 28, the Ukrainian military, in violation of the ceasefire, fired at the suburbs of Donetsk. The retaliatory strike of the NM DNR on the base of the 25th separate brigade of the Airborne Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, located in Avdiivka, caught the latter by surprise.

... According to Ukrainian media reports, DNR artillery used 120 mm and 122 mm ammunition. As a result, the infrastructure suffered, as well as armored vehicles, special vehicles and vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (from one to four units). There were no fatalities, but from one to nine Ukrainian soldiers were injured (estimates vary depending on the degree of “patriotism” of journalists).
The Ukrainian military recorded the incident. The pictures from the scene show that some of the Ukrainian equipment came under fire while on the street, and some were damaged in garages, where ammunition fell. There are clear signs of burning in the garages, and the roofs of the structures have holes made by the arriving ammunition. All this points to the accuracy of the DPR gunners.

https://topcor.ru/21344-otvetnyj-udar-dnr-po-ukrainskoj-baze-vdv-zastal-poslednih-vrasploh.html

[Cron]

On August 28, the Ukrainian military, in violation of the ceasefire, fired at the suburbs of Donetsk. The retaliatory strike of the NM DNR on the base of the 25th separate brigade of the Airborne Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, located in Avdiivka, caught the latter by surprise.

Photos from the same event

[nikolas 83]

Orion really didn't work. I really want to hope. It is high time to help Donetsk and Lugansk.

[FrankyStein]

And how did they calculate "foreign-made markings" on it if it was in the sky?

[knn54]

An oil-operating oil pipeline from Iraq to the Turkish port of Ceyhan plays a significant role here.

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And I wonder if some kind of sports light engine is equipped with machine guns and sent to hunt for "Bayraktars" - will it be effective?

hardly.
How to detect (bring to the target)?

Quote: Mountain Shooter

some kind of propeller, such as the Yak-52.

where and what kind of radar to place?

[Nychego]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And I wonder if some kind of sports light engine is equipped with machine guns and sent to hunt for "Bayraktars" - will it be effective?

If "Bayraktar" is alone in the sky, completely alone and will flop at medium altitudes, then maybe it will be possible to sneak up on it.
But where can you find such a completely lonely Bayraktar?

[Petio]

they still have CH-4B Chinese missiles with missiles and they exchanged them against ISIS. We decided to add

[TermNachTer]

I can understand the purchase of an airborne radar, now Russia is a little behind. But to buy helicopters, on which mattress makers can impose sanctions and electronic warfare systems tomorrow? If it can be bought in Russia, better quality and approximately the same price is not the most reasonable move.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: TermNachTER

electronic warfare systems? If it can be bought in Russia, better quality and approximately the same price is not the most reasonable move.

It is not known who has what quality. According to unconfirmed information, Koral fought in Karabakh. Including this explains the strange behavior of the air defense system.
There are English subtitles:

[TermNachTer]

Fought?))) Against the militia, which had all the electronics - were the Chinese p / st? In Syria, he somehow "did not appear", one must understand that they did not dare to compete with the Russians openly, did they decide to train on cats?))))

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: TermNachTER

In Syria, he somehow "did not appear", you have to understand

It is reported that Turkey is sending a KORAL electronic warfare system to Syria: against whom it is going to use
February 13 2020

https://topwar.ru/167824-kak-i-protiv-kogo-turcija-budet-ispolzovat-rjeb-koral-v-sirii.html

Eagles and Outposts fall regularly in Idlib.

P.S. In Libya, these systems were also. But as usual, the information ends there.

[TermNachTer]

You can transfer electronic warfare systems anywhere, even to Antarctica. Where are the results of their work? And "bayraktars" do not fall? Do not tell me how many of them have already been scrapped?)))

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: TermNachTER

Where are the results of their work?

Since the start of the Russian military campaign in Syria, there have been 35 documented losses of Russian unmanned aerial vehicles. The actual number of lost drones could be much higher ...

[TermNachTer]

Maybe more, maybe less))) how does the Turkish electronic warfare relate to this?))) How many "bayraktars" were spent on melting? when you name some numbers, then name others. And then, in your opinion, it turns out that 35 Russian UAVs were lost, and Turkish ones - 0. Do you think they will believe this?)))

[ja-ja-vw]

I wrote about ours, maybe:
Well, the barmaley have no air defense. The Turks do not use air defense missile systems (ZRPK) against our UAVs.
Why such losses?
About Turkish UAVs
for the Syrians: shells, S-300, beeches, S-200, shilki, etc., etc. and tips from ours.
Turkish lost even more than 54 downed Bayraktar (ours think so, the Americans convince that there are 19 pieces)
here analytics from Americans and economics

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https://media.defense.gov/2020/Aug/31/2002487583/-1/-1/1/URCOSTA.PDF

therefore, it is quite admissible that the Turks in Syria / Libya use this REP complex against our

[TermNachTer]

And where did you get the number 35 - from Wikipedia or fb? Jews do not have any losses at all, unless the equipment (corpses) remained on the territory uncontrolled by them)))

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: TermNachTER

And where did you get the number 35 -

mulberries
https://avia.pro/news/rossiya-oficialno-poteryala-v-sirii-35-bespilotnikov

Quote: TermNachTER

Jews in general

and these have something to do with it?

[TermNachTer]

Despite the fact that they, like the Turks, are very fond of talking about successes. They forget about the losses))) there were many fascinating videos, both Turkish and Jewish, about their miracle weapon in Karabakh. Alas, with evidence, somehow not thick. We skip the tales of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry, they even laugh at them in Baku)))

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: TermNachTER

We skip the tales of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry, they even laugh at them in Baku)))

objective reality: this is a victory for Azerbaijan.
But that's not what we're talking about.
You asked

Quote: TermNachTER

Where are the results of their work?

I replied.
Given the lack of air defense of our opponents, you can think about the REP of Turkey

[TermNachTer]

The objective reality is a complete failure of Baku. If you watched carefully, at the beginning of the fighting, President Aliyev declared the complete liberation of all the occupied territories. ALL !!! Most of Karabakh remained with the Armenians, and the security belt around the NKAO was created precisely for these purposes and fulfilled its task. After the Russian peacekeepers have been brought in, this situation will "freeze" for a long time. The Russians will leave there when Moscow decides. But the Azeri losses were quite serious.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: ja-ja-vw

The Turkish lost even more than 54 downed Bayraktar (ours think so, the Americans convince that 19 pieces)

Confirmed losses (photo / video) 26 units Bayraktar TB2
Losses in Karabakh:
2 TB2
https://lostarmour.info/karabakh/
Losses in Libya
21 TB2
https://lostarmour.info/libya/
Losses in Syria
3 TB2
https://lostarmour.info/syria/

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Losses in Karabakh:

not about Karabakh

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

https://lostarmour.info/libya/

is it a Ukrainian site? created by the war in Donbas?
I will believe the American more:
https://media.defense.gov/2020/Aug/31/2002487583/-1/-1/1/URCOSTA.PDF

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: ja-ja-vw

is it a Ukrainian site? created by the war in Donbas?

Who cares? These are confirmed losses, i.e. there is either a video or a photo of the lost equipment. You can look at every loss.

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

What's the difference?

then you can also RenTV, as an argument to use

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

You can look at every loss.

if specified. And if not?
Here you have on the Ukrainian website 24 in Libya and Syria
Americans have 19.
Who would a normal person believe more?
I give a hint: Americans do not buy Turkish UAVs

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: ja-ja-vw

Who would a normal person believe more?

Whoever provides evidence.
P.S. Ukraine buys Bayraktars and in general with the Turks in the gums.

[ja-ja-vw]

PS. that's why I won't believe the Ukrainians.
No, they certainly stand a couple of steps higher than the Azerbaijanis (they generally ground all CIS tanks with Turkish drones ...
but Ukrainians do not respect themselves to believe

[OgnennyiKotik]

Last time. I physically counted the photos and screenshots of the downed / lost Bayraktars TB2, this figure came out. Earlier, the Turks wrote about about 30 lost TB2 for all the time.

For Azerbaijan, the data provided by them is also confirmed by photo / video evidence. Can count and look at this site: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: TermNachTER

If it can be bought in Russia, with better quality and approximately the same price, it is not the most reasonable move.

Turkish helicopters are light. There are no such people in Russia.

[TermNachTer]

Turkish helicopters have American engines, tomorrow the mattress covers will say "stop" and the helicopters can be used as a chicken coop.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: TermNachTER

tomorrow the mattress covers will say "stop"

And why on earth would they say stop?
Iraq is their clients, Turkey too.

Rather, they said "stop" the inclinations of the Iraqi people in our direction.

[TermNachTer]

In Afghanistan, too, everything was "beautiful and cultural", and then there was a boom - it turned out not very beautifully. Therefore, it is better to buy weapons and military equipment where you will not be thrown, even if the quality is slightly worse. Kurds live in the north of Iraq, now they are not friends with Baghdad, tomorrow they will make friends and start supporting their fellow tribesmen who live in southeastern Turkey.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: TermNachTER

weapons and military equipment, it is better to buy where you will not be thrown, even if the quality is slightly worse

When you are your own boss, then you can choose from whom and what to buy. But this is not at all about Iraq. They do what they are told to do.

[TermNachTer]

Why not buy from mattress makers or Jews? There is even a plus here - the money will not go to Turkey, which is not clear who, either friend or foe. And right into the kosher pocket)))

[Piramidon]

Quote: TermNachTER

Turkish helicopters have American engines, tomorrow mattress covers will say "stop"

Iraq has a mattress government. Obviously, everything is agreed with the Yankes.

[askort154]

Iran has not forgotten how Russia terminated the supply agreement
him S-300. The then prezik Medvedev, openly caved in in front of the American "partners", banning the supply.

[ved_med12]

Iraq buys Turkish-made weapons.

[askort154]

ved_med12 .... Iraq buys Turkish-made weapons.

Thank you, I read the article. In the discussion, questions arose - "why not with Russia."

[ved_med12]

Apparently there is no difference between Iraq and Iran ... sad!))))

[Cron]

Quote: askort154

Iran has not forgotten how Russia terminated the contract for the supply of S-300 to it.

Then they put

[askort154]

Cron ...Then they put it on.

Yes, after the change of presidents. But in the East such "kidalovo" is remembered for a long time.

[Cron]

Quote: askort154

Yes, after the change of presidents. But in the East such "kidalovo" is remembered for a long time.

Well, it's okay, the same Americans and Europeans are first friends with them, and then hang them up.
Although I do not condone this kind of scam from our government

[Jacket in stock]

And what has Iran to do with it?

[askort154]

Jacket in stock ......And Iran has something to do with it?

Thanks ! Got it. All my life I've been confusing the letters K and H,
when these countries are mentioned. For one, I check the vigilance of colleagues on the site

[ved_med12]

And I, about the same!

[Piramidon]

Quote: askort154

Iran has not forgotten how Russia terminated the supply agreement

Does the article write about Iraq? Or do you, as Zhenya Psaki, care about Austria or Australia?

[Nychego]

Nothing kicks up sales of weapons systems more than the war they win.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

All these attack UAVs are nothing more than a commercial project designed to lure money from gullible idiots who are led by the fairy tale that you can successfully fight remotely while being safe.
This is what the Turkish miracle is. Unit cost ~ $ 70 million for the minimum standard delivery, consisting of 6 drones, 3 control stations and auxiliary equipment. At the same time, no more than 600 kg of combat load is raised in total.
For comparison, the export version of the Yak-130 does not exceed $ 14 million. That is, a link of these machines will be cheaper. And in total they will already lift 12 kg of combat load, which they will deliver to the target with much greater efficiency.

[Borisych]

Turks need to trade in weapons, this is a profitable business for any seller. While UAVs are being bought, they must be sold. It makes no difference to someone in Iraq, Ze - to gopniks in country 404 or somewhere else. And what will happen to air defense against drones in a year, Turkey does not care in any way. Money up front.