Civilian version of the Lebedev pistol

PLC-T traumatic pistol, photo: kalashnikovgroup.ru

At the international forum Army-2021, the Kalashnikov group of companies presented a pistol that will replace the civilian version of the Makarov pistol. We are talking about Lebedev's traumatic pistol, the combat version of which had previously been adopted by the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs. The new pistol should go on sale by the end of 2021.

The Lebedev pistol will replace the PM

For the first time, Lebedev's pistol was presented at the Army-2015 forum. The model was originally developed as a replacement for the old PM. The pistol was proactively developed by Kalashnikov for the needs of the Russian security forces. The self-loading pistol got its name from the name of the designer Dmitry Lebedev. In May 2021, modular versions of this pistol under the designation MPL and MPL1 were adopted by the Russian Guard.

The development of the Lebedev pistol began back in 2014. Unlike the famous Makarov pistol, the novelty from Izhevsk was originally designed for the 9x19 mm Parabellum cartridge, widely represented throughout the world. Since 2014, the public has been presented with several modifications of the pistol, including compact ones. So, the PLC model is distinguished by its modest dimensions: the total length is 186 mm, the barrel length is 92 mm, and the weight with a magazine without cartridges is 0,71 kg. This model received a smaller box magazine for 14 rounds compared to other versions.

Another combat modification weapons became a model under the designation MPL. In the MPL version, the pistol is equipped with magazines for 16 rounds. The mass of the MPL pistol with a magazine without cartridges is 0,8 kg, the MPL1 model with a low-noise firing device weighs 1,15 kg. The barrel lengths of the two models are 112 and 127 mm, respectively. The total length of the MPL model is 205 mm.

Compact version of the Lebedev PLC pistol, photo: kalashnikovgroup.ru

It should be noted that the compact version of the PLC, designed for concealed carry, is actively promoted by Kalashnikov in the international market, including the Middle East. Weapons that can be used by members of the special services and police units initially received a Picatinny rail, as well as improved ergonomics.

Meeting modern standards for firearms, the PLC model received a fuse, a slide delay, as well as a magazine ejection button, duplicated on both sides of the pistol. This solution allows both right-handers and left-handers to use the compact version of the Lebedev pistol equally effectively.

Also, on the basis of Lebedev's pistol, a pistol for athletes and amateur shooters SP-1 was developed. The model was first shown in 2019 at IDEX 2019 in Abu Dhabi. It is known that the demonstrated sports pistol was equipped with removable open sights of the "Glock" type. The interesting features of the model included the availability of execution in two materials, which directly influenced the weight of the weapon. The steel version of the pistol without a magazine weighed 1,1 kg, the aluminum alloy version - 0,8 kg.

Very soon, Russian citizens will be able to buy another civilian version of the weapon, this time a traumatic pistol, which is also based on the Lebedev pistol. This is a pretty sensible decision, considering that the traumatic version of Makarov began to be produced in Izhevsk back in 2006. Since then, there has been no significant renewal of the assortment of traumatic weapons.

Civilian version of the Lebedev pistol

The civilian version of Lebedev's pistol received the designation PLC-T. The self-loading pistol of limited destruction was developed on the basis of a compact version of the Lebedev combat pistol, the international premiere of which took place only in the winter of 2021. In February of this year, Kalashnikov showed the PLC at the IDEX 2021 exhibition in the United Arab Emirates. Then the press service of the enterprise emphasized that the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi Sheikh Muhammad bin Zayed al-Nahyan showed particular interest in the PLC pistol and the AK-19 assault rifle chambered for the NATO cartridge 5,56x45 mm.

PLC-T traumatic pistol, photo: kalashnikovgroup.ru

Earlier, the Kalashnikov group of companies reported that the compact version of the Lebedev PLC pistol had successfully passed the stage of state tests and was adopted by the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs. In the police, the PLC model should replace the obsolete Makarov pistols, which have been in service since 1951.

According to the official website of the Kalashnikov group of companies, the PLC-T model has already been certified and should go on sale by the end of 2021. The preliminary price of the model announced at the Army-2021 forum will be 60-65 thousand rubles.

It is especially emphasized that the model will go on free sale at the same time as the production of all the accessories necessary for the weapon will be launched: pouches, holsters, additional magazines. It is also reported that pistol collimator sights will also be available for PLC-T, the production of which has also been launched at the enterprises of the Kalashnikov group of companies. The gun comes immediately with an adapter for their installation.

The traumatic version of the Lebedev pistol is designed to solve various kinds of problems and is suitable for a wide range of potential users. According to the developers, the PLC-T is suitable for organizing the training process, sports and recreational shooting and, of course, as a weapon of constant wearing for self-defense purposes.

The novelty is as close to the model as the progenitor - the compact PLC pistol. This is a big plus, as the weapon retains the same ergonomics. In this regard, there are no complaints about the pistol, this is a completely modern model of weapons with controls located on both sides. The ability to install a collimator sight, underbarrel flashlight, laser designator is also a plus.

PLC-T traumatic pistol at the Army-2021 forum, photo: forum.guns.ru

The model is distinguished by the presence of an aluminum frame and a steel shutter. The PLC-T pistol is equipped with the same 14-round magazine as the combat version, but with a limiter of up to 10 rounds, in accordance with the current Russian legislation. In terms of dimensions, the PLC-T is quite a bit larger than a Makarov pistol and at the same time slightly smaller than the popular GP (Grand Power) traumatic pistol.

According to Valentin Vlasenko, who is the head of the civilian weapons design center of the Kalashnikov Group of Companies, the civilian version of Lebedev's pistol inherited all the best qualities of combat weapons. Namely: ergonomics, lightness, compactness, the ability to install a wide range of additional equipment.

According to Vlasenko, the PLC-T traumatic pistol was maximally unified with the combat version. The weight and size characteristics of the models are identical. At the same time, the design changes of the model ensured an effective adaptation of the pistol to the widespread in our country, effective and balanced ammunition for traumatic weapons - cartridge 10x28.

The traumatic cartridge 10x28 is a sleeve of a conventional 28x9 mm Parabellum combat cartridge with a rubber bullet with a diameter of 19 mm, a bullet weight of 11,5 grams (characteristics for the 1,28x10T Tekhkrim Maximum cartridge model) extended to 28 mm. For the 10x28T Fortuna cartridge, the diameter is 12 mm and the bullet weight is 2,04 grams, respectively. In length, the 10x28 traumatic cartridge is almost completely identical to the 9x19 mm live cartridges, which makes it possible to use the same magazines on traumatic and military weapons.

Comments

[out of habit]

That is, you can use rubber in a combat PLC? Comfortable. Just not to be confused.

[beeper]

Quote: out of habit

That is, you can use rubber in a combat PLC? Comfortable. Just not to be confused.

With all due respect, be careful, because the chamber of the combat pistol is cut to fit the length of the 19mm case (the flangeless cylindrical case in the chamber is fixed with its front end), and the length of the trauma cartridge case is 28mm !!!

[out of habit]

Yes, I didn't think about the chamber, thanks.

[beeper]

Quote: out of habit

Yes, I didn’t think about the chamber. But what, then, is the essence of interchangeability?

Apparently these are USM parts, shops, sighting devices ("pistol promoters to international markets", it seems, "especially emphasized" that the front sight and rear sight of the submarine are interchangeable with "Glokovsky" ones) and other "related accessories" from the "Concern Kalashnikov" ?!

[out of habit]

I’m dull in the morning, but it turns out that the store from trauma goes to the combat one. At last.

[Alexfly]

It is unlikely, since the length of the cartridges is different, most likely they will have a different shape or all sorts of inserts there, such as a magazine for 5,56x45 rebuilt for small things .22

[Catfish]

A trauma with a collimator, he can also put optics ... with a bipod.

Good afternoon, Buddy!

[beeper]

Good afternoon, my Dear Friend Constantine!
I am very glad to see you in Good Health and I congratulate you on the marshal rating - I’m not afraid of this word, but I have always believed in your Creative Talent and the Best Human Qualities (and your witty Arts, not only on weapon themes, have not lost their relevance since our magazine "ZVO" )!

Regarding "bipods and other troubles", I am an adherent of simple and reliable things. Without all these "fashionable tsatseks", in a combat (and civil, criminal and life-threatening) environment, absolutely superfluous (functionally and in terms of the weight they carry, especially when even "a straw hurts a camel's back" ...).

In an environment where the usual pistol 8 rounds may not be enough - "the best pistol is a machine gun"!

And a combat pistol should be light and compact (not take up a lot of space and not be angularly hooked!), So that you can easily operate it with one hand (even if the other hand is completely free - not busy with something heavy, not injured, not crippled, as usually happens in a combat situation) and quickly (maximum inertia) maneuver fire, transferring it from target to target in a split second.

The now fashionable megamultiple-loading box magazine increases the total mass and inertia of the pistol, turning it into a kind of weighty wrist "ammunition depot"!
And, at the same time, it reduces (due to the fault of the feed spring and increased friction, even in super-sterile conditions that are not encountered in practice, during shear and interaction, between each other and the walls of the magazine, of a multitude of cartridges) the reliability of feeding cartridges into the chamber ...

We all remember the ISIS footage from the place of the last battle of Major Filipov ?!
His "Stechkin" is lying and next to him are two spare, only half-consumed, 20-cartridge magazines, which, apparently, caused delays in firing (due to the settling of the feed spring, due to long-term storage of the magazines in a fully equipped form ?! ) in a very sandy environment ?!

It is interesting how the Lebedev pistol would have shown itself in the field conditions (of the South-East) of our sticky chernozems and liquid clay suspension, crushed by wheels and caterpillars, under our feet nose to the ground ", then this liquid clay on the stomach and everywhere, on all uniforms, weapons and equipment, we were taught the basics of infantry combat, without discounts for the peacetime of Soviet times ) in the spring-autumn period, when working with him with gloves in winter ?!

For the civilian market and for the city's actions of the National Guard of the Russian Federation, the "sports" submarine may do well, but I would not take it "in the field" (and indeed, I would not take it anywhere, but this is my personal choice, I do not impose it!).

I wish you good health and prosperity, my friend Constantine, and your family and friends!
I am worried about all of you, our compatriots, when I read in the Russian media about new outbreaks of "covid" in the Russian Federation - Health and Peace to all of us!
Sincerely Yours!

[Catfish]

Dear Friend, thank you for your kind words!

From the bottom of my heart I wish you and your family and friends all the best!
Health, good luck and happiness in our difficult life!

[Alexfly]

And you are absolutely right in THIS! There is no better AK pistol!

[Baron pardus]

In the United States, they love to hang all sorts of gadgets on anything. Somewhere I saw a photo of AP15, with bipods, optics, collimator, flashlight, laser target designator, with a sight tilted from the axis of the weapon, a bayonet and the signature "And now with all this garbage, let's try to take off." The collimator on the pistol is nothing. Here they hang bayonets on pistols. Once they sell, they buy these bayonets. Although I think it is a bayonet to a pistol, for close combat you need more than a collimator. Poke an adversary who crawled too close.

https://shootingsurplus.com/czusa-tac-block-bayonet-cz-p01-sp01-75comp-40sw-p06/

[Catfish]

Poke an adversary who crawled too close.

I don’t think motor skills will not allow, organon knows that he has a pistol in his hand, not a knife. I think this is also from an excess of imagination, like, as you wrote: "And now with all this garbage, let's try to take off"

[Lara Croft]

I was just going to buy the Grand Power soon, but this one looks like a water pistol ...

[NDR-791]

Quote: Lara Croft

Just about to buy Grand Power soon

Yes, even Desert Eagle. The power of our traumatic cartridges does not increase from the size of the gun. But it is more effective to brush them off.

[Comrade Kim]

Dear Lara.
The GP is a good car, but for everyday wear it is very large and angular.
Thunderstorm 021 is very good for daily use, with an oval bore profile. It's a terrible thing with pre-reform patrons.
In addition, Thunderstorm 021 is trouble-free.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Comrade Kim

Dear Lara.
The GP is a good car, but for everyday wear it is very large and angular.

What walks every day with trauma, this is not our method ...

Thunderstorm 021 is very good for daily use, with an oval bore profile.

I have a "Makarych" for this, less than yours

Thunderstorm 021

[YOUR.]

how the production of all the accessories necessary for the weapon will be launched: pouches, holsters, additional magazines

Too shy to ask...
Are additional stores very different in design from non-additional ones?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

Too shy to ask...
Are additional stores very different in design from non-additional ones?

Do not be shy. I bought for "Makarych" (I want to drink) two spare clips (via the Internet), they differ only in the "heel" of metal or plastic ..., "native" shops with a metal heel ...
Some alter the regular magazines by lengthening the heel (two more cartridges fit ...) ...
For Saiga-20K, I bought additional magazines (6 pcs.) For 8 rounds (I did not want to buy for more, because the length of the magazine then does not allow shooting from a prone position), ("native" magazines for five), externally They are almost no different, by the way, stores for semi-automatic machines were in short supply then and were much more expensive, they sent me from Siberia ...

[YOUR.]

We are talking about stores for the PLC-T discussed in the topic.
And about the unnecessary turns of speech that some authors weave for a nice word.
And I am aware of the "doped" shops.
He himself was the proud owner of several "rubber plows", which he sold with relief, so as not to be put under criminal charges due to gaps in Russian legislation.
Well, about the rest of the stores, too, in the know, legally having several units of both smooth and "rough".

[bk0010]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

Are additional stores very different in design from non-additional ones?

Colossal. I tried it myself: I tried to buy extra in normal stores. shops to the Tiger - nowhere, I could only take on the Internet from some sharaga without an office, and, judging by the state, obviously from storage. But it would seem that there can be no problems with shops to SVD!

[Avior]

The very idea of ​​selling combat weapons in a traumatic version, in my opinion, is controversial.
It, of course, looks prettier, but what a rubber pistol in your hands can be mistaken for a combat situation - the situation is initially dangerous - the reaction may be inadequate to the situation.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Avior

The very idea of ​​selling combat weapons in a traumatic version, in my opinion, is controversial.
It, of course, looks prettier, but what a rubber pistol in your hands can be mistaken for a combat situation - the situation is initially dangerous - the reaction may be inadequate to the situation.

There is an opposite opinion.
IZH-79-7T "Makarych", which looks like a PM - only this similarity is valuable. In the event of a "dangerous situation", the enemy (unarmed or only with a knife) will mistake "Makarych" for "Makarov" and retreat.

[Avior]

If unarmed.
And if armed - hurry to shoot you, mistakenly thinking that you are going to do just that.
It would be better if the traumas looked like traumas and were not misled.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Avior

If unarmed.
And if armed, hurry to shoot you, thinking that you are going to do just that ..

"Makarych" is needed to fight off gopniks with bats in a dark alley.

Quote: Avior

It would be better if the traumas looked like traumas and were not misled.

There is such a trauma "Wasp" - looks like "trauma", does not cause fear in the enemy, is used in fights on the roads - the driver understands that the "Wasp" is not fatal and they shoot without thinking, as a result - fatalities.

[Avior]

Makarich provokes the owner to do something that cannot be done in any way - try to scare the enemy.
There is an iron rule - they get a weapon in order to use it - with the observance of the rules, of course.
The wasp is quite suitable for this

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Avior

There is an iron rule - they get a weapon in order to use it - with the observance of the rules, of course.
The wasp is quite suitable for this

My father told such an incident from his life ...
In his youth, before serving in the army, he went dancing in another village in the company of two or three acquaintances. It was already evening and it was already dark outside and the lanterns were on. Near the club they met a group of local boys who began to show unfriendliness towards the newcomers.
Things began to turn to a fight ...
Suddenly, an acquaintance of his father took out a knife from his pocket, which "gleamed predatoryly" in the light of the lantern. The inhospitable locals retreated into the darkness of the night.
Not wanting to run into trouble further, the father and friends also retreated. Later, an acquaintance showed the "savior" - a spoon, he held her handle forward and she shone in the light of the lantern.
Conclusion -
The enemy retreated seeing the "superiority of weapons".

[Avior]

Conclusion - they were very lucky.
If the enemy had not been frightened, and took a brick or a club in his hands, moreover, taking out his knife, only a completely real one, then they would not have fought off anyone with a spoon, but would have ended up in a hospital at best.

[kytx]

Totally agree
They are very lucky
There is an iron rule the knife must be applied suddenly
And it cannot be demonstrated.

[beeper]

Quote: Avior

The very idea of ​​selling combat weapons in a traumatic version, in my opinion, is controversial.
It certainly looks prettier but what a rubber pistol in your hands can be mistaken for a combat situation - the situation is initially dangerous - the reaction may be inadequate to the situation.

Yes sir-very correct remark, aka Avior!
If the opponent has a combat weapon "on his pocket", then, having seen such a threat (especially, coupled with the "twitchy" behavior of the "traumatizer", at one time he saw enough of the metamorphosis of the behavior of even quite adequate, mentally healthy, people who for the first time took in their hands firearms, how "little eyes light up" from the illusion of "omnipotence" and an overwhelming desire to "shoot at something" arises, and then there are feature films, action films, and television series have taught ordinary people to the pernicious "simple thought" that supposedly " a weapon in hand solves all problems "... ) can shoot "ahead of time"!

[Baron pardus]

As I said, legalize your weapon, then at first they will very quickly shoot the gopota and snapped majors, at the same time, perhaps a bunch of officials from the series "The state owes you nothing, it did not ask you to give birth", and after that, immediately after that, a huge the number of citizens who shoot when they WANT and not when they SHOULD go to jail. Weapons laws must be STRICTLY regulated. For example, if you are cut off on the highway, this is not a reason to take out the trellis and fire in the trail of the car (in the USA this happens, and people are quickly sent to jail under the articles "Reckless discharge of a firearm" and "Attempted murder" and "assault with a deadly weapon "). But if 2-3 gopots slowed you down, but 2-3 for one is a REASON to fear for your life and health, even if they do not wave knives. By the way, if someone climbed into your summer cottage without permission, you have the right to fire, at least in the USA this is YOUR territory and it is IMPACTABLE. Citizens in Russia can be issued a weapon permit even tomorrow. BUT. A) They must pass an exam in the legal use of weapons, as in the US they pass for "conceal carry", B) They must complete a course in safe handling of weapons. In the United States, such courses are provided free of charge by the NRA.
By the way, in the USA, when there is a trial after postrelushki, they look at the PAST of each person. Let's say 3 wounded people accuse the chela that they say "they stood and did their job and he started shooting." In addition to the ballistic examination, which will show where who stood during the firing, they look at the past of the people. Yeah, all 3 have been mentored for gop feet and other crimes. They will no longer have any faith, especially if the person who was shooting is clean before the law, or at least they are not brought to the mentura for VIOLENT crimes.

[awdrgy]

Well that's okay. And why is there really going to figure out who is wrong? I can't even believe it .. And the connections? In theory, whoever has more connections will win in court .. Or zamnut. I wanted to ask you, and people who have served in the army also have to undergo training and an application exam? I understand, there seems to be no time limit, but still?

[Baron pardus]

We, as a rule, disassemble and disassemble correctly. Connections don't help much. Each state has its own laws. In some you can open fire on fleeing bandits. Since they are BANDITS. In some - no, because since they are RUNNING, then they do not represent danger. It all depends on the laws of the state. One rule is universal. If you caught someone at home, you can wet it. If it's on your lawn, it depends on the state. In some, you need a person, if he does not pose a threat, to warn, and open fire only if he reacts inadequately. Of course, if a person walks into your lawn and walks towards you carelessly waving a machete, then there is no need to warn him especially. Therefore, for example, when you need to ask where to go, you get out of the car from a distance from home, and hold your hands so that everyone can see. There is a known case, many years ago. A guy, a student from Japan, went to a party on Halloween, made the wrong house. Doesn't understand English. I opened the gate and went to the house, in a suit, a mask, everything was as it should be. Towards the owner - you're doing figli here. That, of course, did not understand nifiga. Goes to the owner, the owner for the revolver - they say stop, lie on the ground face down ... The guy doesn’t understand, he thinks that this is all part of the masquerade ... The owner opens fire - 1 shot to the guy in the head. Out of 357 revolvers, EMNIP. There was either a 357MAG revolver or a 44MAG, in short, half of the guy's head was blown off. The owner immediately calls the police. He testifies himself. Court ... Resolution - NOT GUILTY.

In view of the fact that in the American Constitution our Founding Fathers prescribed the 2nd Amendment. Weapon safety and skill training courses are NOT MANDATORY. At the time, when there were strong traditional families in the USA. It was unnecessary. In the family, the father or grandfather taught the children. What they say, "if you touch it without asking, I'll lower the skin."
Well, with the destruction of the institution of the family - well, children educate themselves, with the help of slops like gangster rap (something like your thug) and stupid TV shows.

Exams, only in some states for HIDDEN carrying weapons. Basically, these are LEGAL weapon use exams. So that a person does not pretend to be Rambo, Charles Bronson, or Panicher.

There are tons of classes, many free. But in many states they are optional. Are you 18 years old? Buy a barrel is your business. You seem to be an adult, but if you screw up, you sit down to the fullest, excuses like "I didn't know" don't work.

[awdrgy]

Not bad, but I was thinking fairy tales. However, I have a friend - I went abroad to rest and the tower was torn down. With the defense of the house (site), I think it is too much.

[Baron pardus]

And it seems to me absolutely not overkill. Just imagine you go out on the lawn near your house and there a homeless person defecates. You have no right to shoot at him, but if you went out, you told him, they say, go through the forest. And he flooded on you. Yes, you have every right to shoot at him. Since there is a reasonable certainty that he did not hit you in order to treat you to tea with a cookie. One more point. You sleep at home. Noise, you woke up, took the barrel and sneak to see what's there. Downstairs some guy rummages in your things. Of course, he did not come to wish you a Happy New Year. You have the right to open fire. We are even taught in courses, they say, call him so that he turns to you, and you hit him not in the back, but in the chest, because if you get in the back there will be problems, they will start saying that he "ran away" or "did not represent danger" ... On the same courses, they teach to empty at least a third of the store into the enemy, corpses cannot testify to cops. And then "I was mistaken by the door", "I have emotionally urgent problems, I am a disabled," or there "I am poor homeless ebony, I just went to take a meal, and it is racism for it." Law is law. If people are rushing at you, you do not know NIFIGA: a) is he on drugs? or drunk? b) Is he crazy? c) WHAT does he have from the weapon. d) How much cooler he is than you in melee. Please note that in the USA a warning shot is a crime of "reckless discharge of a firearm", and you still answer what the bullet you fired will do when it falls back to the ground (It happened that someone fired into the air, and the bullets fell, and killed people).

[awdrgy]

Fuck. Well, it works for a society where, let's say, you don't even know your neighbors. Unfortunately, this is a global trend. There are so many subtleties, but does it not alienate people from each other? Otherwise, you are thirsty and it will be scary to visit a friend to visit. However, in the field, where the trunks are allowed, you know better.

[Baron pardus]

There is a very thin line between "It is impossible to wet" and "Urine, the Lord recognizes his own." You will have to PROVE that the corpse (it is desirable that it was a corpse. The corpse cannot testify in court), you were threatened. So, I had a case in 2015. I have a neighbor, well, he is partially autistic. Let's just say he works, not on benefits, but it is clear that his elevator does not reach the top floor, that the light is on, but no one is at home. He decided that we threw snow on the parking lot for him when we removed ours. He came up, rang the doorbell, I recognized him, opened it, he started pounding at the door, got from me first in the snout with his fist, then from his foot under the kneecap, then with a door in the face. He said that "Shas will be back and I will regret it." He came back with a baseball bat, I was already waiting for him with a pistol. He stood OUTSIDE the doors. Outside the house, but on my territory. I told him "When I try to enter the house, I open fire to kill" (This is if you translate what I said from the Negro Ghetto jargon, full of GD signs), He ran to call the police. As a result, he received the term. For invasion and threat. But I bang him right on the threshold of my house, when he didn’t break into the house. I would sit down. For exceeding self-defense, and possibly even for murder 3. If he is behind my door with a baseball bat and yells, but does NOT break at the door, and I am at home, then I’m not in danger. One of the rules when you post on the "conceal carry" (and I have one). This is the knowledge of the LAW when you can and cannot smack at people. Everything here is very strict and clearly spelled out. Here - you can kill, but here - don't you dare. I repeat, if citizens are allowed to carry weapons, then a LEGISLATIVE BASE should be provided for this. When it is POSSIBLE to apply and when it is not. And everything should be described very clearly. "Reasonable cause to fear for your life and safety" - a reasonable reason to fear for your life and well-being. I repeat, when you are surrounded by 3 gopniks in the gateway, and they DO NOT WAY to leave, (the main principle is that you tried to avoid the situation), then this is already CONSIDERED a threat to your life, you can open fire. But if the same 3 guys came up and asked for a smoke, you said "dumb" to them, they said "sorry to bother you" and you went further, then you CANNOT shoot. Everything works fine for us. Very few people die from exceeding self-defense measures. The overwhelming number of murders in the United States is precisely the gangs who divide the territory for the sake of selling drugs and other "respected business". Yes, we have cross-shots, but if a person is a dunce, and does not understand that the tapestry is not a toy, then these are HIS problems, not mine. Natural selection must continue. Darwin should not be denied.

[Ilya22558]

In 2012, I read an article in Komsomolskaya Pravda that in the United States with the use of weapons everything is the same as you write, but to be honest then I did not believe the "yellow press". And the phrase (in the article) that it is better to throw it down tightly, since the corpse will not give evidence in court, is etched into my memory!

[Baron pardus]

First, the corpse does not testify in court. And secondly, such a shnyaga can easily happen here. Suppose you, some kind of black and metxoto did not hold. Okay, he sat down. But he can judge you "for the loss of working capacity." Like, “After I’ve served time, I would become an honest person and go to work” (yeah, SHAS !!!!), “But this white oppressor and racist shot me, made me a cripple, deprived me of the opportunity to earn money on life, he has to pay me compensation. " And there is a banal chance (small, but there is) that this gopnik, this velfer parasite that has not worked for a single day, will put you on the grandmother. Therefore, it is better to kill. Simpler and easier. Don't want to be killed? Don't be a gangster.
Ideally, the cops should come and look at the corpse. Therefore, we here are taught to release clips to the attacker on the floor. After all, he can be stoned and not feel the shock? Maybe? Maybe. And the bandits, as a rule (I repeat), As a RULE, as soon as they see that you have taken out a weapon, they rush and scatter. First, they came to cut down light attendants, and not die a death of the brave. Secondly, when they run away, you cannot shoot them in the back, because running away they no longer represent danger. There is a legal basis for everything here. And subtleties - dofig.

[Revival]

Well, at least somewhere people are not considered initially criminal inadequacies and idiots

[senima56]

Prohibit "traumatic", "gas" and "pneumatic" versions of pistols! Allow free sale to the population for self-defense, because the state cannot protect the people! Moreover, "free sale" does not mean "free wearing and use", to allow storage at home for self-defense and use in the shooting range, for training!

[vl903]

at a price of 65 thousand plc-t, it should be more accurate than grand power and thunderstorms, not to tear the rubber ball and have energy 10 meters from the trunk no less than grandpower and thunderstorms. otherwise, the hell is it needed for 65 thousand? After all, if without show-off, then it's better than Makarov t and psm-t at the price of efficiency, there is nothing yet.

[Split]

Yeah, if AKBS magnums remained, I would know and track, I would buy zinc in 2009

[awdrgy]

65 tons is only for the rich, for very rich people ...

[Split]

The total length of the MPL model is 205 mm.

And when is the traumatic version of RPG 7?
YES, who needs these injuries already? When my AKBS magnum ran out, I handed over my IZH-78-9TM (they gave out, depending on the batch, up to 140 J and this can really stop). Although you either do not reach or shoot. Because I found it a little ... the first near, you direct the 2nd to the head, since I managed to keep the distance in all cases ... it was enough in all cases, even 3 stubborn junkies.

Techcrim

T ... means reliability .... 2-3 misfires from the pack + underestimated energies ... and by law that at the beginning of 10 the energy was limited ... 5-year-old children only buy so that they can shoot at cans ... and then you won't get caught

[Alexfly]

Civilian version = trauma ..... How the government loves its citizen! Say, you are crippled, gentlemen-comrades ... Nonsense of a gray mare ...

[Tomich_1987]

The traumatic weapon is only a means of self-soothingness. There is a video from the body cameras of the US police where even a couple of expansive 40 caliber does not stop the stoned junkies. So rubber is like a tickle.

[YOUR.]

Will the cost be "tasty" for citizens as always?
RUB 99 with discount? :)

[Alexfly]

And who's going to buy blatant shit for $ 900? Are there really such people to buy a PLC-T pukalka more expensive than a real pistol that shoots real cartridges?
Or the principle of Pontus and Concept .....