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Can the Rafale fighter outperform the F-35 in one-on-one combat: the opinion of an Indian observer

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The F-35 Lightning II is known as the best modern fighter in the United States and the Rafale as the number one French-made fighter. Unique avionics and stealth make the American fifth-generation F-35 jet one of the most efficient in the world.


Developed by French aerospace giant Dassault Aviation Rafale is a twin-engined multi-role fighter that is fully functional for the following missions: air combat, air defense, ground support and fleet from the air, reconnaissance, anti-ship strikes and even nuclear deterrence.

Indian observer is very interested in comparing the two aircraft, as India is interested in choosing the best fighter models for its aviation... In the context of a permanent conflict with China, the need for Indian Air Force fighters will only grow.

Nitin J. Tiku writes that "on paper" the French Rafale has an advantage in combat. It is armed with a Meteor air-to-air missile, while the Italian and British F-35 Lightning II aircraft will have to integrate this missile for a long time.

The F-35 has another plus - less visibility. The American aircraft may be difficult to spot for a French aircraft due to the low-signature technology used to create the F-35. However, the Indian observer believes that the Rafale can prove to be a very worthy rival to the F-35 during combat within sight, since the Frenchman has a better thrust-to-weight ratio (power density) and maneuverability and, accordingly, a clear advantage in aerial battles in the aforementioned option - in conditions of line of sight.



Thus, according to the Indian observer, the F-35 will have advantages due to its lower visibility, but if the battle begins within sight, then Rafale may well come out of it as a winner. Since Indian aviation is unlikely to have to fight the F-35, the Indian Air Force hopes that the Rafale will become a worthy opponent of the new generation of Chinese aircraft.

Nitin J. Tiku writes that the Rafale has a lot of fans, even with a massive PR campaign around the F-35. The French aircraft has already proven itself well during the hostilities in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Mali. Dassault Aviation has sold its aircraft to Egypt, Qatar and India. The Indian authorities, having pondered for a long time about which fighter they should buy, ultimately settled on the Rafale.

By the end of 2021, Dassault must complete deliveries of all 36 ordered Rafale aircraft to the Indian Air Force. However, now the Indian Air Force command is considering ordering another batch of French fighters. Therefore, the appearance of articles emphasizing the superiority of the Rafale over the F-35 may also be of interest to the Indian military command. After all, such articles in the Indian press create a certain informational background that affects public opinion and the positions of politicians and officials who are far from the world of military aviation and its objective realities.
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  1. For example
    For example 25 August 2021 10: 27
    +6
    The French aircraft has already proven itself well during the hostilities in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Mali.

    And who opposed this aircraft in the air in the fighting in Syria, Afghanistan, Mali?

    There is a hypothetical probability of a meeting in the air with an enemy in Iraq and Libya, but only hypothetical even 20 years ago.

    The same goes for F35.

    Both planes are still working on the ground.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 25 August 2021 10: 32
      +7
      Quote: For example
      The French aircraft has already proven itself well during the hostilities in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Mali.

      And who opposed this aircraft in the air in the fighting in Syria, Afghanistan, Mali?

      The same can be said about "Leclerc" - all the declared data are at their best, including the price tag. And the experience of combat use, but in the face of countering ATGMs of all stripes, from RPG-7 to the notorious Javelin, is zero.
      1. Bat
        Bat 25 August 2021 10: 49
        -3
        Actually, it's silly to compare the Rafal with the F-35. This is a different type and class of aircraft.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 25 August 2021 11: 11
          +3
          Nobody canceled the advertisement as an order. "Your call is very important to us, but money is in advance."
          laughing
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 25 August 2021 17: 11
            +7
            It's just that the Indians need to somehow explain why such horse money was paid for Rafale.
            Therefore, they compare it to the F-35. laughing
      2. nks
        nks 27 August 2021 12: 35
        0

        He picked up a couple of dozen of these "ATGMs and RPGs" there.
    2. viralig
      viralig 25 August 2021 13: 33
      +2
      No matter how the Indians dance, but how they smell fried, they will say - urgently give Migi and Sushki. Only, unlike machine guns with airplanes, it will not come out so quickly.
  2. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 25 August 2021 10: 29
    +11
    Reasoning from the field - if grandma had eggs
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 25 August 2021 10: 34
      +4
      Quote: jetfors_84
      Reasoning from the field - if grandma had eggs

      I think it makes more sense to talk about grandma and eggs than "who will win." request Only cheap, unprovable ads.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 25 August 2021 10: 31
    -3
    Can the Rafale fighter outperform the F-35 in one-on-one combat: the opinion of an Indian observer
    I didn't read nonsense. fool Indian Rafale will swing with Chinese, Pakistani, Bangladeshi Fu-35? fool
  4. NDR-791
    NDR-791 25 August 2021 10: 32
    +6
    Can the Rafale fighter outperform the F-35 in combat? one on one: ???
    I say right away - it CAN'T !!! In such a battle, more pilots are needed wassat wassat wassat
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 25 August 2021 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: NDR-791
      Can the Rafale fighter outperform the F-35 in one-on-one combat: ??

  5. Graz
    Graz 25 August 2021 10: 33
    -1
    Some kind of under-expert, Nitin J. Tiku, is he not a descendant of Afanasy Nikitin? you understand the syllables have been changed laughing ... Well, it's me, because I am an Indian Wangyu
  6. K-50
    K-50 25 August 2021 10: 34
    +3
    The French aircraft has already proven itself well during the hostilities in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Mali.

    Was there high intensity air battles? belay
    Or just a couple of planes intercepted, stray?
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 25 August 2021 10: 36
    0
    Unique avionics and stealth make the American fifth-generation F-35 jet one of the most efficient in the world.
    Is this seriously worth discussing ???
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 25 August 2021 10: 36
    +2
    If I were a Hindu, I would speculate about Rafal's chances against the C400. It seems like the Greeks want to buy Rafal, but the Turks with the Greeks have such a friendship! And China also has a C 400. Any aircraft in the air defense zone of a serious enemy are now not residents.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 25 August 2021 11: 07
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      It seems like the Greeks want to buy Rafale ...

      Already bought and delivered. Bought not new, so the delivery was fast enough.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 25 August 2021 11: 09
        0
        Well, now the Greeks will heal !!!
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 25 August 2021 11: 18
          0
          I would not say that this is the "worst" option for them. The renewal of the MFI fleet is very important for Greece.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 25 August 2021 11: 27
            +1
            I am familiar with their problems, they even considered F35, but for European money.
            1. Kurare
              Kurare 25 August 2021 11: 31
              0
              Quote: tralflot1832
              ... they even considered F35, but for European money.

              So brazenly, as far as I know, only Poles can throw. laughing

              As far as I know, the Greeks did not consider the F-35. They simply have no money for new cars.

              The purchase of Rafale is partly a political decision, as Macron had a very strong fight with Erdogan. And the enemy of my enemy ... Now the French are friends with the Greeks against the Turks. hi
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 25 August 2021 11: 34
                +1
                Article on VO dated November 17, 2020. hi
      2. nks
        nks 27 August 2021 12: 38
        0
        We bought both a new one and a BU, the BU was quickly installed.
    2. nks
      nks 27 August 2021 12: 38
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      what are the chances of Rafal vs S400

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HncgShr5Wls


      https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5125763

      "Russian air defense systems ... Announced participation of French aviation is not recorded"
  9. alekc75
    alekc75 25 August 2021 10: 37
    +3
    It is NECESSARY to somehow justify a lot of money that they gave and still want to give
  10. Graz
    Graz 25 August 2021 10: 43
    +1
    India will lose to China in a big clash. because
    firstly, the Chinese have a homogeneous technique, and not a jumble of products from different countries,
    secondly, the Chinese themselves sell the equipment for themselves, and the Indians buy, but what they sell is below the lowest quality,
    thirdly, the Chinese are a more disciplined nation, this was shown by the fight against covid, less sawing and embezzlement
    well, fourthly, their economy is more balanced, and the population is more motivated and more equipped
    1. Vinnibuh
      Vinnibuh 25 August 2021 14: 37
      0
      Not in the claim that China, that India is constantly raging enchanting .... Therefore, it is stupid to discuss. And yes, a lot depends on who uses this technique. wassat
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 25 August 2021 10: 46
    +6
    The analysis is quite correct.
    In close combat, Rafal will have the advantage.
    In battles at medium and long distances, the F-35 will have an advantage.
    1. Avior
      Avior 26 August 2021 09: 55
      +1
      no application practice
      Theoretically, the F-35 full-spherical optics allows combat at distances outside the visual zone of the pilot Rafal, and this provides significant advantages and at the same time deprives the advantages of Rafal's maneuverable combat.
      But how practically - who knows ?, there is no experience of application.
  12. Mouse
    Mouse 25 August 2021 10: 47
    +2
    The human factor is not taken into account ... it depends on what kind of aces in the cabins ... IMHO ...
    It may happen that it was not the car ...
  13. Shket53
    Shket53 25 August 2021 10: 59
    -2
    Oh ... hold me 10 cholovik, otherwise you won’t hold 500 .... not well, it’s in the greatest Indian Eksperd such an article vysyr .... boogaga ... but compare to the Greatest Indian Eksperd fight between the European "Death Star "and the Hindu" Vimana ". And we here on VO will discuss another vyser
    1. Maximillian von Adelheid
      Maximillian von Adelheid 25 August 2021 11: 32
      -2
      good laughing
      In fact, the greatest experts in the field of modern and not only aviation are the Yakuts, Udmurts and Evenks, as well as the Chukchi who have joined them! It's just that their highest opinions and knowledge are not published due to national racial discrimination !!!
      winked
      1. Roman_vh
        Roman_vh 25 August 2021 14: 09
        +3
        The article is crying for you, Why these wonderful people did not please you? And why did the choice fall on them, and not on the Itelmens, Mordovians and Mansi?
  14. KCA
    KCA 25 August 2021 11: 01
    -1
    Is Dassault Aviation an aircraft manufacturing giant? Nyunu, and Boeing, Airbus or our manufacturers, then who? After BB2, Dassalt produced 8000 aircraft of all types, MiG-21, the USSR alone produced over 10, and Dassalt does not build airliners, for example, Falcons, business jets
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 25 August 2021 11: 31
      0
      Who would write an article about Boeing, about how he lives now. I suspect that he can repeat the fate of PANAM, about which this face of America spoke.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 August 2021 11: 31
      +4
      You can't call it a giant.
      But, admittedly, Rafal started to sell well. Somewhere 230 are released. There is something to talk about.
      Against about 700 fired F-35s.
      Not single, but mass production cars are compared.
  15. Wolf
    Wolf 25 August 2021 11: 35
    0
    Rafal is a good plane, but it must be compared with Typhoon, Gripen, MiG 35, Su 35S, SU30SM2, and nothing is better than a thread worse than their question in nuances.
    But Daso has made OFANZIVA on the world market in the last 10 years and it has been successful. The merit is not for the quality of their products, but for something else, and this is a very dangerous quality of Rafal and Dassault's products! ;)
  16. exo
    exo 25 August 2021 11: 53
    +2
    Oh, how many theories have been shattered by practice!
  17. Maks1995
    Maks1995 25 August 2021 12: 02
    +3
    Is that why this is so? None of the pilots writes anywhere.
    Some "eksperdy".
    Stubbornly calling the little bomber a full-fledged fighter.
  18. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 25 August 2021 12: 04
    0
    This can only show real air combat and not the fabrications of an Indian observer.
  19. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 25 August 2021 12: 30
    +2
    The article is a very fruitful transfusion "from empty to empty". Everyone already knows the advantages and disadvantages of both machines. Only one thing is funny - when Su - 35 is compared with a "penguin", then "drying" - fu - fu - fu))) when "rafal", then "in general, everything is not so bad"))) I wonder what it is is based?
    1. Vasyok
      Vasyok 25 August 2021 21: 10
      -2
      I wonder what is this based on?

      On the fact that the Su35 lost a training battle to Rafal, having an attacking advantage.
      https://www.ferra.ru/news/techlife/francuzskii-istrebitel-podbil-rossiiskii-vo-vremya-uchenii-27-07-2021.htm
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 25 August 2021 23: 43
        +1
        Journalists are experts in secret military equipment and tactics of its use?)))) Do you mind if I declare myself Napoleon?)))
        1. Vasyok
          Vasyok 7 September 2021 20: 33
          -1
          Yes, I don’t mind. Subscribe only to Napoleon - outhouse ANALYTIC.
  20. Termit1309
    Termit1309 25 August 2021 12: 55
    +3
    Can a legion of Space Marines defeat the Death Star? Who is stronger tyrannosaurus or king kong?
    You got all the nonsense into Russian to translate.
  21. 123456789
    123456789 25 August 2021 13: 45
    -1
    Country USA France
    Manufacturer Lockheed Martin Dassault
    Name F-35 Rafale
    Modification of the F-35 Lightning II Rafale
    Start of production (year) 2000 1985
    Length (m.) 15.67 15.30
    Height (m.) 4.33 5.34
    Wingspan (m.) 10.70 10.90
    Empty weight (kg.) 13 300
    Maximum takeoff weight (kg.) 31 800
    Maximum flight range (km) 2 200
    Maximum flight speed (km / h) 2 065 1 900
    Cruise speed (km/h) - 1 350
    Practical ceiling (m.) 18 288 16 765
    Powerplant 1 x Pratt Whitney F135 turbofan 2 x SNECMA M88-2 turbofan
    Engine power 178 92
    Crew (persons) 1 2
    weaponry
    20 mm six-barreled cannon (optional),

    combat load - 5000 kg,

    in stealth mode - 2x 450-kg bombs and 2 air-to-air missiles AIM-120C AMRAAMS. In overload - 2x 900-kg bombs and 4 SD in 2 weapon bays

    12 250 kg of bombs and 4 8 SD or SD

    Produced (units) 174 140

    More details at: https://avia.pro/sravnenie/voennue-samoletu/result
  22. alch3mist
    alch3mist 25 August 2021 15: 36
    0
    since the "Frenchman" has the best traction-to-weight ratio (power density)

    isn't it called "thrust-to-weight ratio"?
  23. mvg
    mvg 25 August 2021 16: 28
    +1
    I am from this author, just, forgive my French, but just "trudge" ... As you read Crocodile magazine. Well, what, too, entertainment. belay
  24. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 25 August 2021 17: 24
    0
    Quote: For example
    The French aircraft has already proven itself well during the hostilities in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Mali.

    And who opposed this aircraft in the air in the fighting in Syria, Afghanistan, Mali?

    There is a hypothetical probability of a meeting in the air with an enemy in Iraq and Libya, but only hypothetical even 20 years ago.

    The same goes for F35.

    Both planes are still working on the ground.

    why ours are not in comparison, weak?
    1. Vasyok
      Vasyok 25 August 2021 21: 13
      -4
      why ours are not in comparison?

      Patamushta are weak. Su35 lost to Rafal in a training battle.
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 26 August 2021 10: 00
        +3
        Quote: VasYok
        Patamushta are weak. Su35 lost to Rafal in a training battle.

        can you give the facts?
        After all, I can also give an example that a Su-35 destroyed a couple of Raphael in a training battle
        1. Vasyok
          Vasyok 7 September 2021 20: 37
          -2
          can you give the facts?

          https://www.ferra.ru/news/techlife/francuzskii-istrebitel-podbil-rossiiskii-vo-vremya-uchenii-27-07-2021.htm
  25. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 26 August 2021 18: 53
    -2
    It has long been clear that the Penguin has no chance. After the paddling pools merged the results of the training battle with a score of 4 to 1 in favor of Raphael.
    1. outsider
      outsider 26 August 2021 23: 30
      -2
      - When will the "teapots" finally understand that dogfight never starts with dogfight ?! am
      It ends with it if both fighters live to see it ... laughing lol
      ...........................
      But both in detection and in long-range aerial combat, Raphael has no chance against the F-35 from the word "absolutely" ... feel
    2. Vasyok
      Vasyok 7 September 2021 20: 43
      -1
      It has long been clear that the Penguin has no chance.

      Another nonsense. F35 wets generation 4 ++ in a ratio of 1:15.
      https://m.lenta.ru/articles/2018/05/14/f35/