The Ministry of Defense orders the supply of modernized Ka-52M attack helicopters

The Ministry of Defense has ordered the delivery of the upgraded Ka-52M attack helicopters. The corresponding contract has been signed with Russian Helicopters, the holding's press service reports.

The Ministry of Defense has signed a contract for the supply of a batch of modernized Ka-52M helicopters. Moreover, this time the parameters of the contract are known. As part of the agreement, the delivery of helicopters will begin in 2022 and end in 2023. During this period, the holding undertook to deliver all 30 ordered rotary-wing aircraft.

Contract signed for 30 helicopters for two years - 2022, 2023rd

- declared Boginsky.

The Ka-52M attack helicopter was developed taking into account the operation of the Ka-52 helicopter in Syria, as well as the proposals of the flight and engineering personnel who participated in the battles. Unlike its predecessor, the Ka-52 helicopter, the upgraded Ka-52M received enhanced booking and a new airborne defense system.

The armament of the helicopter is unified with the attack Mi-28NM "Night Hunter". The arsenal of the Ka-52M includes long-range missiles "Hermes-A", guided anti-tank "Vikhr-M", as well as "product 305" - aviation cruise missile with a range of up to 100 km. At the same time, the car retained the previous airframe, but acquired additional fuel tanks.

Most likely, the signed contract for 30 modernized helicopters is the first, as earlier the Ministry of Defense announced plans to receive 144 modernized Ka-52Ms.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

"We are few ..... We are hellishly few, but the most important thing: we are apart" (Juno and Avos)

[Tatyana]

Strengthening Russia's defense capability is welcome! I am for"!
Give the Ka-52M attack helicopter for the Russian Armed Forces !!! And the sooner the better.

[Thrifty]

Nothing is more pleasing than the appearance of new equipment in the troops! The army gets a desire and slowly, but worthy of weapons.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Thrifty

Nothing is more pleasing than the appearance of new equipment in the troops! The army gets a desire and slowly, but worthy of weapons.

Someone is happy, but someone has a headache to prove that the country has no money and the last will be taken away from the pioneers!

[Romario_Argo]

potential of only 12 Ka-52 helicopters - overturn the offensive of a tank division
according to wiki in the RF Air Force 127 units
will be at least + 30
and something is not heard about the procurement of the Ka-52K under 2 UDC pr.23900

[Prjanik]

Quote: Romario_Argo

and something is not heard about the procurement of the Ka-52K under 2 UDC pr.23900

Most likely it will already be the upgraded Ka-52KM Katrans

[Alf]

Quote: Romario_Argo

potential of only 12 Ka-52 helicopters - overturn the offensive of a tank division

Provided that there is no air defense, electronic warfare, the division is in an open place in a completely immobile state ...

[Denis812]

And also provided that all Ka100 onboard systems are 52% operational and all missiles hit 100% accurately, and well, the tanks must be without personnel, so as not to resist :)

[Orkraider]

Great news! For me, as a fan of Kamov cars, this is great news!

Kubinka, 22.08.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX (c) Mikhail Zherdev

[lucul]

Great news

He would have to drop 2 tons of mass, in general there will be fire.

[hrych]

Quote: Orkraider

For me, as a fan of Kamov cars

So you are a fierce opponent of the Mil machines?

[Orkraider]

Greetings!

I would not say so, in general, about Mil's cars. Eight or twenty-four is an eternal ideal, to which one must strive)))
But in the confrontation when discussing the Ka-52 and Mi-28N, I always stood up for Kamov

[hrych]

Health! And the Mi-26? I was joking, of course. Both helicopters are decent, but the tandem arrangement of the pilot and weapon operator is beyond criticism. Kamovtsy made a mistake with a single Shark and had to sit next to the Alligator. I'll get better. Not mistaken, but ahead of the time. So far, the operator cannot be abandoned, but over time, electronics will really replace him and the K-50 will still become relevant. There are no complaints about Katran, for the naval aviation the co-partner covers all the shortcomings. But the Night Hunter objectively won the tender for the army aviation. And it's great that both helicopters have been put into service.

[Orkraider]

I agree, the shark was just ahead of its time. In general, the load on one pilot is excessive, tests have shown that he simply does not have time to work out the goals (and did not even notice something). I read somewhere about these tests, where I no longer remember. I can't compare with the Su-25, rotary-winged ones are different .

But in general, with the current development of the UAV and their ubiquitous eyes and target lights, helicopters will soon no longer need a ball above the propeller, they will work according to external data. And one of the declared advantages of BUT - by the way, only recently actually appeared on machines - will disappear.

Do you feel that glorious time of the debate between Kamov and Mil? I just remembered. About the radar, eh?

Have a nice evening and great mood!

[Prjanik]

And next to this handsome LMUR

[Piramidon]

Contract signed for 30 helicopters for two years - 2022, 2023rd
- declared Boginsky.

The factories are provided with work.

[Lech from Android.]

The helicopter is wonderful, capable of doing miracles in the right hands.
I am glad that our factories will be provided with work, and the Air Force with new machines ... keep it up.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Lech from Android.

The helicopter is wonderful, capable of doing miracles in the right hands.
I am glad that our factories will be provided with work, and the Air Force with new machines ... keep it up.

The helicopter itself has enormous potential. But KB cannot implement it. As a matter of fact, it is dragging along behind Mile and the RF Armed Forces today have Mi-28 and Mi-28 coaxial scheme.

[Victor Tsenin]

Looks like a coaxial scheme, an over-sleeve radar is not technically feasible?
If not, then there is clearly a weaker machine than the Mi-28nm, and then it is not clear why have 2 combat helicopters, one of which is obviously less dangerous and advanced, but at a reasonable price?

[lucul]

Looks like a coaxial scheme, an over-sleeve radar is not technically feasible?
If not, then there is clearly a weaker machine than the Mi-28nm,

Now, in the age of UAVs, this is no longer relevant - the helicopter simply will not hide from the UAV behind the folds of the terrain)))

[Victor Tsenin]

Well, for example, 28 and Apache are less dependent on external guidance. In the event of active counteraction, when the UAV is under attack, it is possible to observe and aim due to the folds of the terrain.

[Alf]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Well, for example, 28 and Apache are less dependent on external guidance.

Yeah, that's the same in a pair of Apache cling to Kiowa ...

[abc_alex]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Looks like a coaxial scheme, an over-sleeve radar is not technically feasible?
If not, then there is clearly a weaker machine than the Mi-28nm, and then it is not clear why have 2 combat helicopters, one of which is obviously less dangerous and advanced, but at a reasonable price?

And why does he need a supra-sleeve? He's like an airplane in the nose. The Kamovites abandoned the swivel gun and they have a place there. In terms of combat potential, the vehicles are comparable. Perhaps even the radar of the KA-52 is better, after all, the Phazotron did it, and not the design bureau of the serial plant.

[NKT]

Interestingly, what is it above the bushing, on one prototype of the Ka-52 was it?

[abc_alex]

Quote: NKT

Interestingly, what is it above the bushing, on one prototype of the Ka-52 was it?

Fuck knows. On the Kamov prototypes, at a certain point, even the weapon complex was a props. The radar is in any case not so small to fit into such a volume. She has his "full face".

[Victor Tsenin]

In the nose it is different, above I have already noted the possibility of hiding from the bush. The side gun is also worse than the turret of the Mi-28.
Comparable, but 28 have more advantages, better reliability, and more.
So it turns out two combat helicopters, it seems that several types of tanks, similar in performance characteristics, have already passed through, it is difficult and costly.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Comparable, but 28 have more advantages, better reliability, and more.

But if you remove the Ka-52 from the order, the Kamov design bureau will simply bend. And the fleet will be left without helicopters. The Ka-52 is the only production vehicle of the KB. Everything else is done in single copies.

[Victor Tsenin]

I fully understand, however, it is common practice to order partial orders from third parties. Conventionally, the Kamovites could do a lot for the 28th project. And in general they have a lot of things to do, such as revision 60, 226 and much more. An anti-submarine hydro-helicopter is also waiting)

[abc_alex]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

I fully understand, however, it is common practice to order partial orders from third parties. Conventionally, the Kamovites could do a lot for the 28th project. And in general they have a lot of things to do, such as revision 60, 226 and much more. An anti-submarine hydro-helicopter is also waiting)

226 is waiting for the motor. Now the Ministry of Defense does not need it, since both of its power units are produced by NATO countries. 60th closed. Instead, the design bureau decided to make a "commercial" 62nd. Also on an imported engine.
In the Mi-28 project, it is unlikely that the Kamovites could do anything: Mil had a well-proven cooperation throughout the production chain. And this did not solve Kamov's main problem. KB needs a nosebleed SERIES. Big. Dozens or even hundreds of cars. Without her, no one wanted to work with them. The naval needs are exotic, but monstrously low-volume. For example, only 29 Ka-59s were produced. And its land equivalent of the Mi-24 is more than 3500. In the 80s, the Kamovites tried to supply guided missile weapons to the Ka-29. They came to the missile design bureau, they mounted a control system and a sight on a prototype, and fired at the range. But none of the shavods took it upon themselves to launch the shock variant in the series. Not cost effective.

[Victor Tsenin]

Thanks for the detailed answer, it turns out that for the survival of the Kamovites, 52 is needed like air. Hopefully in the future, Ka will get better)

[fiberboard]

Interestingly, a few years ago I read an article here, after the crash of the Mi-28, and the death of the crew, that the Ka-52 is more reliable and the pilots can eject. Remember 28 died in Torzhok.

[Victor Tsenin]

In theory, blade shooting and ejection are available for 28, I guess?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

In fact, an overhead radar is not needed. It makes no sense, we do not have a poor practice of launching an ATGM from a hover.

[Victor Tsenin]

Any existing practice has its place and in the practice of launching an ATGM from hovering from behind a shelter, there is nothing vicious, but there is definitely a blessing.

[abc_alex]

The armament of the helicopter is unified with the attack Mi-28NM "Night Hunter". The arsenal of the Ka-52M includes long-range missiles "Hermes-A", guided anti-tank "Vikhr-M", as well as "product 305" - an aircraft cruise missile with a range of up to 100 km.

To go nuts ... The armament of the Mi-28NM is definitely not the Whirlwind and the mythical Hermes. And the "Product 305" does not fly 100 km. :) we have journalism ...

[A.K.]

Will it be the modernization of old machines or the delivery of completely new ones? Do not quite understand.

[mvg]

Explain someone, I'm stupid. Why do we need two identical helicopters? For competition? Judging by the fact that the Mi-24 (the first flight of 1969) is still flying, the Mi-8 (also from the 60s) does not help our design bureau much.
You can just look at how the conditional Sikorsky releases new models. And we are modernizing half-century exhibits.

[Dmitriy444]

They are not the same, the tasks are different. It is better to send Ka to a dead-end mountain gorge. Let there be a regiment on the Mi-28, a regiment on the KA-52. Look at the photo of the Mi-8 cockpit from the 60s:

[mvg]

They are not the same, the tasks are different.

The thought was that our design bureaus, to put it mildly, smoke without real competition .. All over the world they come up with something, and we are on the laurels of the USSR. Then they say that nothing can be sold abroad. They just lost the competition.
PS: We are actually 20 years behind, but we report the opposite.

[Old tanker]

And what have the Americans invented over the past 20 years instead of Apache, Black Hawk, CH-53?

[Victor Tsenin]

They, like us, modernize the existing, as we develop new for them. You are too categorical.

[Old tanker]

It's just that mvg claims that we are 20 years behind in helicopters. So I asked what the main enemy had been able to adopt over these 20 years.
The question is rhetorical - nothing new. So what kind of lag are we talking about?

[Victor Tsenin]

Approximate parity, you are right. I was completely upset with mvg, it was)

[mvg]

So what kind of lag are we talking about?

Raider-X

[Old tanker]

Also remember "Comanche". Have fantasized and forgotten. What exactly did they come up with instead of Apache, what replaced him in the troops? Nothing! So there can be no question of lagging behind.

Well, about Ryder ...

"Helicopter of the future", which is created by the design bureau "Kamov", appeared in social networks. The web has evaluated the new combat vehicle from the pictures and believe that it "will be a worthy response of the United States" to their helicopter S-97 Raider, which is being tested.

According to the published data, the Russian "helicopter of the future" will be able to fly at a speed of 700 km / h. It is noted that its distinctive feature will be the wings, and the landing gear can be removed during flight. At the same time, the side itself, judging by the photo, will be made in the style of the location of the rotors, which is proprietary for the design bureau.

https://yandex.ru/turbo/tsargrad.tv/s/news/nash-otvet-ssha-v-seti-rassekretili-foto-boevogo-vertoleta-budushhego-rossii_166033

It looks even more futuristic.

So they did not lag behind him either

[Barberry25]

for quality..10 years ago the Kamovtsy overtook the Milevtsev, a year ago it was the other way around..In fact, I think that now the Kamovtsy brought a very good gesheft to someone, otherwise it’s strange that a car that didn’t pass the factory testing stage has already been ordered

[abc_alex]

Quote: Barberry25

10 years ago, the Kamovtsy overtook the Milevtsev, a year ago it was the other way around .. In fact, I think that now the Kamovtsy brought a very good gesheft to someone, otherwise it’s strange that a car that didn’t pass the factory test stage has already been ordered

So I always want to understand WHOM and WHAT the Kamovites are bringing in, that their car is so deliberately shoved to the detriment of Milevskaya. But nothing is being done on the Ka-52. All new items are first implemented on Mi, and only then on Ka ... And after all, how many years has this story been dragging on, who the hell is such a long-liver?

[Barberry25]

Well, not a fact .. mi-28 was a very difficult project at one time, and Kamovites successfully adapted the ka-50 to the level of ka-52 ..

[abc_alex]

Quote: Barberry25

Well, not a fact .. mi-28 was a very difficult project at one time, and Kamovites successfully adapted the ka-50 to the level of ka-52 ..

Yes! The story with the main gearbox almost became a disaster for the entire project. Nevertheless, the car was both conceived and made within the framework of one concept. Developed from the experience of using the strike versions of the Mi-24 in Afghanistan. The developer knew exactly which missiles, which gun, how to plant the crew. At first, the Kamovites hoped for a wow effect. And then they just didn't pull. Mil's cooperation had ready-made or almost ready-made solutions and an understanding of "where to cut." And the machine, even with a miter gear, was more readily available than the Ka-50. The Ka-50 turned out to be conceptually wrong.
And then the developers of the Mi-28 carried out systematic work in the direction known to them. As a result, we have the Mi-28NM with a full-fledged missile system suitable for solving a wide range of tasks. And the developers of the Ka-52 still have only a helicopter with a radar. But after all, for a combat vehicle, not only this is needed.

[Barberry25]

more precisely, without a radar .. AFAR was never installed, something else is important here - they are trying to create a better product in competition, and if only one design bureau remains, then it will eventually degrade .. even in the USA there are several manufacturers

[abc_alex]

Quote: Barberry25

more precisely, without a radar .. AFAR was never installed, something else is important here - they are trying to create a better product in competition, and if only one design bureau remains, then it will eventually degrade .. even in the USA there are several manufacturers

Yes, Phazotron made a normal radar for them on the Ka-52.

For those distances for which the Attack of distances flies more than twice the overlap. AFAR is of course "cool-fashionable all that", but why?

And the problem of rivalry between Kamov and Mil was that Kamov's participation dramatically slowed down the adoption of the attack helicopter into service. If it were not for the delays that the leadership initiated for the sake of Kamov's car, the attack helicopter would have been accepted "even before Gorbach." And today machines of that generation would have already been removed from service. And they have just been adopted. And in the end it turned out, as I said, two different Mi-28s. It turned out that only Milevites had a real and objective understanding of what an Armed Forces attack helicopter was, and the competition had no meaning.
There is still no competition. The development of an attack helicopter as a complex is still going on only within Mil's cooperation. And only then Kamov is accepted into cooperation at the level of directives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The same radar. It seems that the Ka-52 was the first to receive it. In 2009. But in the mid-90s it was the Milians who came up with the idea to equip the helicopter with a radar. They just didn't find a developer. Phazotron refused to work with the complex task of the over-sleeve radar, relying on the Kamov project.
But the Mi-28 flew from the radar 2 years earlier - in 2007, although this station, created by the factory design bureau GRPZ, turned out to be so-so, and had to be redone.
It's the same with the weapon complex. The real weapon for attack helicopters comes from Mil's cooperation. And only within the framework of unification it comes to Kamov cars.
The Kamovites have no ideas. They do not know what a ground attack helicopter needs.

[Barberry25]

well, even this kind of competition has goodies

[abc_alex]

Quote: Barberry25

well, even this kind of competition has goodies

"Political" - yes. The coaxial scheme lives on. And perhaps the Kamovites will be able to create something else amphibious.

[Barberry25]

at least keeps it in good shape .. even at school they force the hundred-meter distance running in pairs ..

[abc_alex]

Perhaps. But in my opinion, it was much more logical and practical to create a system in which the Kamov Design Bureau could effectively develop helicopters for the fleet. Now this niche is being filled insofar as. The Ka-226 is a civilian. Ka-52K is from land.
It turns out that in one niche two teams are jostling, and in the other the wind howls in cracks and holes. Ka-27 - 40 years, Ka-29 - 30. And nothing to replace is expected. The fleet needs such cooperation, in which the welfare of the design bureau and the interest of manufacturers would not depend on the serial production. Incidentally, this applies not only to helicopters.
All the same, so far Kamov is able to keep Miles in good shape, except perhaps with massive media attacks. In real life, they are lagging behind ...

[Barberry25]

like they are sawing a new naval helicopter .. It seems like a minogue is called.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Barberry25

like they are sawing a new naval helicopter .. It seems like a minogue is called.

I don't know, they write that they are sawing. To replace everyone from 27 to 31 at once. They promise for 10 years.

[Barberry25]

turn on Suvorov's mode and wait, sir

[abc_alex]

Quote: mvg

Explain someone, I'm stupid. Why do we need two identical helicopters? For competition? Judging by the fact that the Mi-24 (the first flight of 1969) is still flying, the Mi-8 (also from the 60s) does not help our design bureau much.
You can just look at how the conditional Sikorsky releases new models. And we are modernizing half-century exhibits.

Not why. They didn't have to be the same. It just happened. And objectively, if then Kamov was not allowed into the competition, it is unlikely that he would have survived now.
The machines themselves are quite modern, and in the Mi-28NM version they are quite up-to-date.

[Wedmak]

The Mi-28NM is a shock one, one might even say an assault one. Ka-52 reconnaissance and shock. Plus Ka can be used in the Navy as one of the modifications.

[Barberry25]

Well, he will become reconnaissance if long-range missiles are even given to him by AFAR

[burigaz2010]

Mi28 is mute without mats, even talking is not a hunt

[abc_alex]

Quote: Wedmak

The Mi-28NM is a shock one, one might even say an assault one. Ka-52 reconnaissance and shock. Plus Ka can be used in the Navy as one of the modifications.

As far as I know, the reconnaissance capabilities of the Ka-52M and Mi-28NM are identical. Even on the 28th, they are wider, thanks to the dedicated channel originally embedded in the PNK for communication with the UAV. True, he never had this very UAV.
And so. Theoretically, thanks to the radar, the Ka-52 had long search and detection ranges, but the Kamovites were unable to equip their helicopter with a rocket that implements these ranges. And no one in the RF Armed Forces needs to have such a helicopter as a guide for the Mi-28. Expensive, you know :)

[Pechkin]

Mi-24 (first flight 1969)

And the start of production of this helicopter is probably 2020 in your opinion.

[Roma 1977]

We saw footage of the evacuation from the American embassy in Kabul. There, on "Chinooks" they took out their own people. So from Saigon in 1975, the evacuation of the American embassy on the same "Chinooks" was.

[Alf]

Quote: mvg

You can just look at how the conditional Sikorsky releases new models. And we are modernizing half-century exhibits.

The names Kiowa, Iroquois, Cobra, Chinook don't say anything? Latest samples ...

[mvg]

Kiowa, Iroquois, Cobra

Is talking. Discontinued long ago ... from production. Yes, they are in service with a hell of a lot of states.
And again we are talking about different things, Alf. The "friends" are using new models, and we "invented" the Ka-226 with foreign engines. And we ourselves cannot master the Ka-62, which is already outdated.

[burigaz2010]

Is it possible that the Milevskoe lobby has been pushed through!

[vovochkarzhevsky]

One of the big problems with the Mi-28 is the tail rotor.
That's how it is low from the ground.

Moreover, that the person next to him is short.
On the Mi-24, we used to "chop wood" with our tail outside the airfield. And on this miracle only on concrete and sits down.

[cat-begemot]

It's a shame it's 30, not 300, but mostly good news.

[cdrt]

What are the 100km for iz.305 ??? We have just set up a 2021 km range at Army-14,5.