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Is an intermediate "tie result" possible in the war in Donbass?

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For the eighth year now, the problem of Donbass has been a problem not only for Ukraine, but also for Russia, the United States and the European Union. All attempts to resolve it with the help of the Normandy format and the Minsk agreements did not and could not lead to a result, since they do not eliminate the cause of the conflict.


Undecidability of the Minsk Agreements


In 2014, the United States, with the support of the European Union countries, set the goal of finally tearing Ukraine away from Russia, forming a Russophobic state out of it as a springboard against Russia, dragging Russia into a war with Ukraine and starting sanctions pressure on the "aggressor." As a bonus, it was supposed to receive Crimea to promote NATO's military infrastructure.

Russia, naturally, set the task of keeping Ukraine in its sphere of influence and preventing NATO structures from moving towards their borders.

As a result of the coup d'etat and the military conflict, the West has only partially solved its tasks - Ukraine has become a Western anti-Russian bridgehead, the majority of the duped population is opposed to the "aggressor" and painful anti-Russian sanctions have been introduced, but it was not possible to drag Russia into the war. She took Crimea, under no circumstances is she going to return it and does not allow the capture of Donbass, creating problems for Ukraine in its integration into Euro-Atlantic structures.

Ukraine's attempts this spring to solve the problem of Donbass by military means were harshly suppressed by Russia by demonstrating its strength and willingness to use it until the end of Ukrainian statehood. The subsequent Putin-Biden meeting eased tensions, and signs of a possible compromise emerged.

Today it is no secret that the Minsk agreements in the summer of 2014 were proposed by the Russian side as a way to “tie” Ukraine and prevent it from integrating into NATO by including Donbass with a special status in it, which led to its actual independence. Surkov, who was in charge of the Ukrainian direction in the Kremlin at that time, confirmed this in later interviews.

The conclusion of the Minsk agreements did not imply their implementation, and the parties understood this very well.

Seven years later, the situation is such that the implementation of "Minsk" in full leads to the defeat of Ukraine and the United States, therefore Ukraine, with the tacit consent of the West, ignores the implementation of the provisions of the agreement. And Russia does not have the strength to force Ukraine to comply with the agreement in terms of giving a special status to Donbass as part of Ukraine.

At the same time, the United States excludes the possibility of including Donbass in Russia or recognizing it as independent.

In this regard, the Minsk agreements are not fully implemented, and neither side is ready to admit defeat, which leads to a stalemate.

It should be noted that the Minsk agreements include both a political part (amnesty, decentralization of power, holding elections, legitimizing the special status of Donbass, coordinating all issues with the leadership of the republics, introducing a "people's militia" practically beyond Kiev's control), and military (ceasefire, disengagement of troops, artillery and MLRS at safe distances).

For Kiev, the most problematic is the implementation of the political part, since this leads to the disintegration of Ukraine, which is fiercely opposed by the nationalist part of society, and this will be associated with inevitable protests and destabilization of the situation. In addition, the implementation of the political part is not very much needed by the authorities, since with the integration of Donbass into Ukraine, they will receive millions of citizens who hate it.

The end of the war in Donbass is supported by the overwhelming majority of society, while only radicals, nationalist intelligentsia and the descendants of Bandera supporters are opposed. That is, the society in its majority is ready, on certain conditions, to support the implementation of the military component of the agreements.

Possible status of Donbass


The expert community is discussing a version of a possible agreement between the United States and Russia for a "no-man's" result, excluding a complete victory for one of the parties.

A compromise can be achieved by ending the war and implementing the disengagement of troops and weapons provided for in the agreements under appropriate control, and Ukraine will be obliged to comply with the decision. Donbass de jure remains a part of Ukraine, and de facto will exist independently, while Russia will not take steps to integrate it into its structure.

Donbass in such a situation acquires a status close to that of Taiwan. De jure, Taiwan is part of China, and the UN recognizes this, but in fact it has been independent for more than 70 years, while its trade with China is measured in trillions of dollars a year, and they interact with each other and with other countries of the world without any problems.

The economic blockade can be lifted from Donbass, enterprises of the republics can receive the status of Ukrainian (under certain mutually beneficial conditions) and legally carry out economic activities without restrictions, and Ukrainian, Russian and foreign investors will be able to invest in the industry of Donbass.

The Ukrainian authorities and business may well be satisfied with this, since the products of the republics, especially coal, are in demand in Ukraine and the trade turnover between them can be restored to volumes acceptable to the parties.

That is, the division of Minsk into two parts and the implementation of military aspects can move the settlement process off the ground.

Why did this option become possible?


Of course, the West is not going to surrender Ukraine and Donbass, and it is not yet ready to accept such a defeat, but the situation has fundamentally changed since 2014. Russia has become different, has become stronger economically and militarily, has drawn red lines of its national interests and is ready to defend them to death.

The West failed to break the will of the Russian leadership to revive the country's might. Russia did not get involved directly in the war in Donbass and demonstrated its determination in the event of Ukrainian provocations to finally resolve the issue not of Donbass, but of the whole of Ukraine, and the Americans have to reckon with this: they are not ready to lose such a bridgehead. The United States has become convinced that it is impossible to tilt Russia by military means, and for them the war in the Donbass takes on the character of a senseless waste of money and time.

The situation in the United States is not so simple either.

There, in connection with the solution of the problems of the pandemic by printing the money supply, a serious economic crisis is brewing. In July, inflation on an annualized basis officially reached 5,4% (despite the fact that, as a rule, it was in the range of 1,2-1,4%), and the economist Khazin believes that it is several times higher. The United States is no longer able to maintain its influence around the world, it fled Afghanistan in disgrace, left Iraq, practically left the Middle East and is trying to normalize relations with the European Union, spoiled by Trump's rule.

For the United States, China has also become a problem with its breakthrough GDP growth and becoming an economic leader. An attempt to prevent Russia from close ties with China was unsuccessful: Putin and Xi held an online conference and reaffirmed their shared interests, and a Russian-Chinese military exercise was organized in China. In such a situation, the United States cannot afford to tease a mature Russian bear. Circumstances push them to improve relations with Russia in search of strategic stability.

Germany also showed its economic interests, especially the issue of completing Nord Stream 2. and the Americans had to give in. It should be noted that the interests of the United States and Germany are far from coinciding with the interests of the Ukrainian indigenous authorities, they do not always understand this, and the Americans have to periodically put the aboriginal leaders in their place. The United States is not going to bring relations with Russia to a confrontation, let alone fight it over some kind of indigenous education. At any opportunity, it will be handed over with giblets without any regret.

The current situation is forcing the United States to make acceptable concessions to Russia, including in the Ukrainian direction, in response Russia must offer something to the Americans.

And this interest was found in the issues of "green energy", with which Biden is worn like a written sack. Putin played along with him on this issue of little importance to Russia, and after meeting with Biden he has been active in this direction. He participated in the online "green" conference held by Biden, supported the reduction of carbon emissions, instructed Mishustin to create working groups to adapt the economy to a possible decrease in the consumption of hydrocarbons in the world, allowed him to publicly express "Chubaisyatina" with delusional ideas on changing the world's elites in connection with the implementation of " green energy ".

In words, the Russian president strongly supports this failed project, while simultaneously solving really urgent tasks to protect the environment. The West, seeking the introduction of uneconomical renewable electric power, is trying to solve this problem by monetary methods by imposing a huge hydrocarbon tax on suppliers of hydrocarbons and redistributing income in its favor. This idea does not threaten Russia so far, there are no effective technologies for generating renewable electricity in the world, except for hydropower, and in Russia 17,6% of electricity is generated by hydroelectric power plants, and this is one of the best indicators in the world.

Change in the position of the United States and Ukraine


After the Putin-Biden meeting, the US rhetoric towards Ukraine has changed significantly.

The United States stated that it supports the implementation of the Minsk Agreements, renounces such coveted by Kiev sanctions against Nord Stream 2, postponed Zelensky's agreed visit to the United States to a later date and refused serious representation in the Crimean Platform. It is very likely that Zelensky was also instructed not to aggravate the situation in Donbass. In response, Russia did not object to US participation in the settlement of the conflict, since only two great powers are capable of resolving it.

Kiev understood the wishes of the overlord, began the process of de-escalation in the Donbass and increased pressure on the radicals. The army received orders to observe the "silence regime", although it is regularly violated, the problem of the odious Avakov, who resigned after a "friendly" meeting with the American representative Kent and quickly moved to Italy, was resolved. The cleaning of the Ministry of Internal Affairs apparatus began in the center and in the localities; in Kharkiv, the National Corps was demolished and a group of activists was arrested. The SBU carried out a preventive sweep among Biletsky's assets and blocked their aggressive actions in the capital.

This had an effect, the attempt of the National Corps to organize riots near the building of the presidential administration failed. In connection with the beginning of the degradation of Biletsky's group, only a few hundred radicals took part in the action. The rest of the groups of nationalists ignored the action, and this was confirmed by the growing contradictions in their camp with the disappearance of the roof of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Some regarded the actions of the authorities as the beginning of denazification, but this is far from being the case.

The United States still needs neo-Nazi Ukraine, but they must be under serious control and not interfere with the implementation of American interests, which are beginning to undergo changes. Without taking control of the most "frostbitten" radicals, this will be quite difficult to implement. The cleansing process began with the removal of their curator Avakov, as well as the replacement of part of the generals from the military and the SBU.

The question is what to do with the Minsk Agreements?

Nobody is in a hurry to leave them officially. The curator of the Ukrainian direction Dmitry Kozak in his interview stressed that Kiev has not yet made official proposals to change the agreements. At the same time, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine recently approved the draft law "On the Foundations of the State Policy of the Transitional Period", according to which transitional administrations are created in Donbass, lustration and decommunization are carried out, Ukromova is being introduced and branches of the Museum of Combating Aggression are created.

The adoption of the law puts an end to the political part of the Minsk agreements and can be used as a pretext for transforming the agreements in the interests of possible agreements between the United States and Russia.

What kind of power will be required in Kiev?


To implement possible actions in Kiev, a government is needed that is capable of managing society and radicals and ready to obey the overlord unquestioningly. Zelenskiy is trying to strengthen his position and is leading an offensive on many fronts - against the oligarchy, nationalists, Medvedchuk and Poroshenko. But after his appeal to the residents of Donbass to leave for Russia, he became not a handshake for the Russian leadership, moreover, he is trying to blackmail Germany and raise his voice to the United States, not realizing that in a big game he is a mongrel who can be kicked and chased at any moment. away. In this regard, the Americans can leave Zelensky, or they can remove it, as they always do with waste material, they always have a spare bench.

On this wave, the discussion of versions far from reality about Avakov's "dictatorial" capabilities intensified, while everyone forgets that Avakov has always been used by Americans on the sidelines as a watchdog and is not capable of more. He was put in place to contain Poroshenko, and then as a counterbalance to Zelenskiy: to intimidate him and keep him in the American sphere of influence. Now Zelensky is more pro-American than Poroshenko, the political field has been cleared of opponents of the regime, the government itself is able to keep everyone in subjection. The services of the watchdog were no longer in demand and he was sent to rest.

The first roles of the "mestizo" Avakov are clearly not up to the mark, too insignificant and greedy, and the Americans know this very well. He stayed in his chair mainly because he followed American instructions and, when told to go into the shadows, immediately left.

The versions about Avakov's serious support in Kharkov are just a myth, there he is deeply despised even by his former comrades-in-arms. Avakov's asset - Biletsky's militants, criminals and punks, the Kharkiv elite does not perceive him point blank, he even tried to influence the mayoral elections indirectly, without being directly exposed. If he is pulled out of Italy, it will only be for the next guard work, and nothing more.

More realistic may be the option of the first person with the speaker of parliament Razumkov, a loyal and reliable guardian of American interests, who is being prepared for a new role, just in case. He takes a moderate position, distances himself from Zelensky's "Poroshenko" policy, ignores the president's dubious initiatives in the NSDC, and speaks less harshly about Donbass. The level of trust in Razumkov in society is approaching that of the president, and the latter rightly considers him to be his competitor.

A possible de-escalation in Donbass is not a resolution of the conflict, but a temporary and forced solution, which at this stage may suit Russia and the United States. Neither side can now win a final victory in Ukraine, and we have to negotiate.

The war in Donbass is not needed primarily by Europe and Germany, which is striving to find mutually beneficial contacts with Russia. For the sake of improving relations with European allies, Biden is forced to make concessions to them. Hence, Merkel's voyage to Washington, then to Moscow, and after linking issues with Putin to Zelensky, in order to convey to him the will of the great powers and accept it for execution.

At a press conference in Kiev, Merkel unexpectedly announced that "Russia is a party to this conflict," as if hinting to Zelensky that the game of aggravation with Moscow is fraught, she can quickly become a punishing sword from an observer. At the finish line, he will have to go to the carpet to Biden and listen to the verdict from the overlord.

How successful Merkel's mission was, time will tell. At the very least, Zelenskiy needs to be prepared for possible changes in American rhetoric. And if he makes another mess in Donbass, they will quickly pick up a replacement for him and send him on a charter flight to foreign lands.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 26 August 2021 04: 54
    +11
    How did it happen that our territory with the Russian population is ruled by the United States and Europe? Putin already lacks testosterone to make strong-willed decisions.
    1. Andrey Chizhevsky
      Andrey Chizhevsky 26 August 2021 05: 59
      -2
      Are you sure that Putin has no testosterone? I believe that Putin makes decisions based on the information that he has as the head of state and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. Do you have such information? It's easy to judge from the outside. For me, I myself am the kind to drive into the ground all this evil spirits located in the former Ukrainian SSR. Judging by your comments, you are a supporter of the revolution, while VVP is a supporter of evolution.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 26 August 2021 06: 20
        +17
        Quote: Andrey Chizhevsky
        VVP is a supporter of evolution

        Can you provide examples of evolution in the economy? Tsarek is more of a supporter of degradation, because in fact it is happening.

        Quote: Andrey Chizhevsky
        And you exactly sure that Putin has no testosterone?

        What he doesn't have exactlyso it is conscience. So many lies to their own population!
        1. Kittymoore
          Kittymoore 26 August 2021 07: 04
          +9
          A person simply applies terms without really understanding their meaning in context.
          During the industrial revolution, Europe has developed more strongly in a century than in the previous thousand years.
          The modern post-industrial world also has a tinge of revolutionary development.

          And you can evolve to sit for thousands of years without any sense. Pre-Petrine Russia is a vivid example of this.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 26 August 2021 09: 52
            +8
            The essence of the article is briefly: our plan is to do nothing and say that we are winning, because the United States sees our power and retreats. The less we do, the more we win.
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 26 August 2021 14: 24
              +8
              Quote: military_cat
              The essence of the article in a nutshell: our plan is to do nothing and say that we are winning,

              And the inhabitants of the LDNR must fall into suspended animation in order to live to see the century when the Russian Federation gets its hands on the solution of the Ukrainian problem.
            2. MBRSS
              MBRSS 26 August 2021 15: 03
              +10
              And nothing is being done! Russia has a "contemplative" reaction to what is happening. Here is Lavrov's interview with journalist Daria Aslamova in Donbass, five years ago:
              https://youtu.be/oixmMhagepQ

              and here is the same, but after 3 years:
              https://youtu.be/s1TKptGuHao?t=874

              - as we can see, as if these interviews were given today, NOTHING has changed (except for the number of victims!). And certification does not affect in any way.
              The "Taiwan Option" is, of course, the most realistic and compromise BUT! For security reasons, the borders need to be moved away from the cities - now they pass through the suburbs. The only way!
              1. Hlavaty
                Hlavaty 26 August 2021 20: 58
                +1
                Quote: MBRBS
                The "Taiwan Option" is, of course, the most realistic and compromise BUT! For security reasons, borders must be moved away from cities

                If the "option of Taiwan" happens, the oligarchs will quickly bring silence on the line of contact - for their money, they drive a sparrow into an open field, and not just idiot shooters.
                Only here is something very hard to believe in this option. The oligarchs have already adapted, a bunch of siloviki-smugglers have appeared, the nazbats are training their fighters in a combat situation ... in general, this is no longer a war, but a business. And to ruin someone's business you need another cooler business. The cooler players cannot agree, so the smaller ones are cashing in and fattening up.
                For the future dispossession ...
          2. bk316
            bk316 26 August 2021 17: 52
            -3
            The modern post-industrial world also has a tinge of revolutionary development.

            That's exactly what the shade is. laughing

            With regard to GDP, everything is clear.
            He was put in 2000 so that he would freeze the situation with the collapse of Russia.
            And they were not mistaken, literally all analysts believed that the Russian Federation was left for several years, and some that months. And the process is irreversible. It's been 20 years ...

            As a consequence, all the steps of the GDP.

            He does not make a move if he is not sure of victory.
            -therefore, calm down if he is running for president, then he will become;
            - therefore Crimea is ours;
            -therefore, the regime in Syria did not collapse;
            -therefore the army is slowly being revived;
            .....
            can go on

            -therefore, no breakthrough in the economy;
            -therefore we do not sink violators' ships;
            -therefore, the Minsk agreements;
            -therefore, the Olympians do not have a national anthem and a flag;

            Is this good or bad?
            I already wrote that for me it is rather better than worse. Because what I need from the state, first of all, is stability, the absence of shocks, the rest is me. Whether it is good for the LDNR - bad - you cannot live well in a war. Well, sooner or later, nothing will end forever under the Moon. Therefore, we must not whine and vilify the GDP - all the same, he will be president as long as he wants and will still preserve the situation. We must prepare for what will happen after the GDP. To be ready yourself, so that the family is ready, business, if you are a businessman, and of course the country too.

            By the way, about doing nothing and winning. In zero-sum games, you can do that very well. A mathematically proven fact.
            1. Kittymoore
              Kittymoore 26 August 2021 17: 56
              +4
              Thank you for your honest position.
              "Everything suits me" - I understand that and it is much better than official cries about "enemies are all around."
              1. bk316
                bk316 26 August 2021 18: 03
                -2
                Everything suits me

                I do not like dofiga.

                But there are 3 main things.
                1. So that there is no war
                2. So that they don't shoot in the streets
                3. So that the infrastructure (banks, roads, bridges ...) works.

                All this is there. This outweighs the "dofig". Even more I will say the absence of ANY of these points outweighs any goodies.

                For example corruption. Fuck me the absence of corruption if bandits walk down the street and shoot anyone.
                Or equality in pay (even more - fairness) to hell with me this equality if bombs are falling from the sky.
                Or free (the best in the world) education, why do I need it, if there are no roads or bridges, if payments do not go around the country.

                This position was formed on my personal experience of the 90s. I and literally all my friends had the best education not only in the country but also in the world and we received the same, namely less than nothing. And younger friends died in Chechnya, and some of them in Lyubertsy. And I sat looking at all this and just whined and cursed EBN and taught at Moscow State University. And then my son was born and I decided to be good at depending on these commies and the enemies of the commies (although they were the same people). And since then, I have little need from the authorities.
                1. Kittymoore
                  Kittymoore 26 August 2021 18: 06
                  +2
                  Well, I exaggerated. You get the point. I have nothing against a personal approach to the assessment of this or that subject. This is the way it should be - this is a rational approach.
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 26 August 2021 18: 16
                    +1
                    You get the point.

                    I have painted in detail.
            2. military_cat
              military_cat 26 August 2021 20: 32
              +1
              Quote: bk316
              He does not make a move if he is not sure of victory.

              Very controversial. The set of moves of 2014 was clearly (in my opinion) aimed at a full return of Ukraine to the Russian sphere of influence, and it failed. Then I had to change the plan on the fly.
              1. Alber alber
                Alber alber 26 August 2021 22: 28
                +2
                Honestly, there is a persistent feeling that the plan might have been, and they began to carry it out, but at some step they were so frightened or they themselves were scared that they dropped everything and grabbed onto sp2 with their hands. The same thing happened in Georgia, some kind of absolute indecision at the final stage. It is clear to everyone that if we liberated Ukraine, all the sanctions would be exactly the same as now. And even more, if we liberate Georgia, then there would be no ruins in its present form. I don't know who wrote about the former KGB officer, that he is distinguished by low caution, not literally, but this article is clearly not about the current president of Russia.
        2. Pessimist22
          Pessimist22 26 August 2021 07: 06
          +13
          Today I read the news that Putin allowed officials with dual citizenship to work if there is no way to get out of the latter laughing but what about the amendments to the constitution?
          1. Pilot
            Pilot 26 August 2021 07: 27
            +8
            Quote: Pessimist22
            Today I read the news that Putin allowed officials with dual citizenship to work if there is no way to get out of the latter laughing but what about the amendments to the constitution?
            This is another breakthrough, definitely.)) fellow RIA Novosti also reported this, I wonder how urashki will taxi now ... oh yes, like admitting to the state. secretly, there will be no such patriots, so everything is fine, the people who voted for the amendments for 3 days (including for the amendment to the ban on civil service for persons with dual citizenship, sovereignty, all affairs) can sleep peacefully.)) wassat
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 26 August 2021 18: 43
              -2
              Peskov explained that this applies exclusively to a small group of people with Ukrainian citizenship, who cannot refuse this citizenship in any way.
              1. Pilot
                Pilot 27 August 2021 10: 22
                +2
                Quote: Sergej1972
                Peskov explained that this applies exclusively to a small group of people with Ukrainian citizenship, who cannot refuse this citizenship in any way.
                laughing Here the main document of the country, the Constitution, is forwarded by decrees as it pleases and you mean the words of some secretary who often carries a blizzard, according to his own patron. Isn't that funny yourself? smile
          2. Andrey Chizhevsky
            Andrey Chizhevsky 26 August 2021 12: 21
            0
            Where did you read it? Will you be so kind as to link. Or is this news from the series - "Grandmas discussed at the entrance"?
            1. Pilot
              Pilot 26 August 2021 15: 16
              +2
              Quote: Andrey Chizhevsky
              Where did you read it? Will you be so kind as to link. Or is this news from the series - "Grandmas discussed at the entrance"?
              Are you talking to me ? Educate yourself for health. Https://ria.ru/20210825/grazhdanstvo-1747234469.html.
              1. Sergey M. Karasev
                Sergey M. Karasev 27 August 2021 02: 23
                0
                Educate yourself for health. Https://ria.ru/20210825/grazhdanstvo-1747234469.html.

                This link doesn't work. There will be no enlightenment.
                1. Pilot
                  Pilot 27 August 2021 06: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Sergey Karasev
                  Educate yourself for health. Https://ria.ru/20210825/grazhdanstvo-1747234469.html.

                  This link doesn't work. There will be no enlightenment.

                  belay How does it not work ??? If you cannot enter the link address correctly, then type in a search engine a few words like, RIA Novosti Putin allowed officials with dual citizenship ... smile
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 27 August 2021 11: 03
              -1
              I am writing from a smartphone. When I sit down at my computer today, I will send both the link and the text of Peskov's statement.
              1. Pilot
                Pilot 27 August 2021 12: 39
                +1
                Quote: Sergej1972
                I am writing from a smartphone. When I sit down at my computer today, I will send both the link and the text of Peskov's statement.
                Yes, it is necessary that the text of the PUTIN'S Decree where black in Russian will be exactly about ukrograzhdanship and not about foreign citizenship in general, when under this sauce you can even take with the American for the civil service. And Peskov is not at all interesting, he likes with a statement, he likes without - he has such a job, to put the patron in a favorable light. ...
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 27 August 2021 13: 51
                  -1
                  https://lenta.ru/news/2021/08/26/explain/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&nw=1630061217000
                  The decree of President Vladimir Putin, allowing the admission of people with foreign citizenship to the state or municipal service, is designed for Ukrainians who cannot come to Kiev to renounce their citizenship. This is how presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov commented on the new decree, RIA Novosti reports.

                  According to him, the decree is designed for those officials who are de facto citizens of Russia and who are in demand in the civil service here, but de jure have dual citizenship, which they cannot get rid of for any reason beyond their control.

                  “To just make it clear - people who have Ukrainian citizenship. People who left Ukraine, they can neither contact someone, nor come there, it is dangerous for them. De facto they do not consider themselves citizens of Ukraine, but de jure they are registered somewhere, ”the Kremlin official explained.

                  Peskov noted that the decree will affect, in general, no more than a hundred people. “This exclusion, unfortunately, is due to the reality of life that we have to face,” he concluded.
                2. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 27 August 2021 13: 53
                  0
                  http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001202108250003?index=2&rangeSize=1
                  This is the text of the Decree.
                  1. Pilot
                    Pilot 27 August 2021 14: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001202108250003?index=2&rangeSize=1
                    This is the text of the Decree.

                    Thank you for reading. Not a word about ukrograzhdanship (this is how you can understand it), only the general concept of foreign citizenship, a decree from a series of type of unintentional corruption, it’s even scary to imagine how many of these “unintentional” foreigners from different states are in the vertical of power, otherwise the decree it wouldn't have happened. What nafig sovereignty can be? Well, and the second point is that he turns the Constitution by decrees as he wants, the hour is uneven and other articles of the Constitution, he will correct, as he pleases. sad
          3. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 26 August 2021 18: 45
            0
            Peskov has already explained that this applies exclusively to persons with a second Ukrainian citizenship.
        3. Andrey Chizhevsky
          Andrey Chizhevsky 26 August 2021 12: 18
          -8
          This is you haven’t seen a lie yet! Want an example? And take the ukro-Bandera media. And as for the economy, there is a crisis on the whole planet. By the way - the article was about Donbass. But you have only one person to blame. But this person definitely did not give orders for the shelling of Donetsk and the bombing of Lugansk. Or do you think if now EBN was always drunk with all his camarilla - there would be enough tostoterone?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 26 August 2021 15: 51
            +4
            Quote: Andrey Chizhevsky
            You haven't seen this lie yet!

            According to the rules of dialogue, it is the opponent who bears the burden of refutation. You, standing up for power, accuse the pro-government official media of lying.
            Where is the logic?
            1. Andrey Chizhevsky
              Andrey Chizhevsky 26 August 2021 19: 27
              +1
              I'm not advocating for vlast.U you in the troubles of Donbass, for some reason, one person is to blame. And for some reason this person is the president of the RF. And maybe the culprit is someone Yanukovych, a coward and a huckster? I repeat - the article is about Donbass. And then the highways about all-Russian affairs came up. Where is the logic? Why is Russia to blame for the war? Was it the Russian Federation that sent troops there? Was it the Russian Federation shelling Donetsk and Lugansk? Was it the Russian Federation that staged an armed coup in Kiev in 2014? Accusing the Kremlin, why are we modestly silent about the "collective West"? Why are we silent about the heap of money invested in the preparation of the coup? Speaking of SMI. Do you have any idea of ​​what exactly is happening in the media like "non-cash"? I had a very dubious "pleasure" to hear all this nonsense - Dr. Goebbels nervously smokes on the sidelines.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 26 August 2021 19: 56
                +4
                Quote: Andrey Chizhevsky
                I do not stand up for power. For some reason, one person is to blame for the troubles of Donbass

                Man is to blame for the draining of the Russian Spring.
                And this is not about Donbass, but about the fact that this person allowed officials to have dual citizenship, although he had previously advocated the opposite. However, as he spoke about the retirement age, about the voluntariness of vaccination, and about many other things.
                Do you know what the people call those who give out promises without measure? wink
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                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 26 August 2021 21: 07
                    +2
                    In short, you don't want to discuss the "lies" signed by a person? wink
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 26 August 2021 12: 51
        +1
        the author of the article was a little hasty))) it should have been written or published following Zeneloch's visit to the Reich Chancellery in Washington, because decisions are made there. But already a little is left, I think that soon we will learn a lot of interesting things.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 26 August 2021 06: 10
      +16
      The entire article is written in the spirit of the cunning plans of the great grandmaster Putin, who naturally outplayed everyone.

      В expert environment a version is being discussed of a possible agreement between the United States and Russia for a "no-man's" result, excluding complete victory one of the parties

      This is what such expert environment? No specifics, as well as on other issues.

      An interesting interpretation of the draw result! And in what victory The United States is that they will annex the Donbass ??

      Ukraine and Donbass were once Russian land and with Russian people. The geopolitical victory of Russia will be if the Russian lands are reunited. If they remain torn off, then this is our tragedy. At the moment, this is exactly the case.
      1. Kittymoore
        Kittymoore 26 August 2021 06: 36
        +3
        There is a person's own atmosphere)
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 26 August 2021 07: 47
        +4
        As for me, the article is divided into two parts:
        1) the first is more or less adequate, with which many will agree. The facts are known in it.
        2) the second - inferences of a dubious nature, more similar to fantasies. Although presented in the same vein of "facts".
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 26 August 2021 15: 53
          +3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          the second - inferences of a dubious nature, more like fantasies

          This is why the first part was written. So that the dish is eaten whole. wink
      3. your1970
        your1970 26 August 2021 17: 42
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        Ukraine and Donbass were once Russian land and with Russian people.

        Where alone русские people beat on others Russian people from the Grad, and those in revenge are the first to burn tanks ...
        Do you seriously believe that having reunited, the first will embrace the second and forgive each other for all those killed ??? !!!!! Schaz ....
        In this situation, victory is a divorce of the parties, a ceasefire and peacekeepers on the border for 20-30 years ...
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 26 August 2021 20: 09
          0
          Quote: your1970
          Do you seriously believe that having reunited, the first will embrace the second and forgive each other for all those killed ??? !!!!! Schaz ....

          You are not thinking about that union. No Ukraine with Donbass. And Russia with Ukraine (and Donbass) and Belarus.
          1. your1970
            your1970 26 August 2021 21: 25
            0
            Quote: Stas157
            And Russia with Ukraine (and Donbass) and Belarus.
            - belay belay
            that is, do we need to prepare an occupation army for Ukraine? or do you think that the SS and the National Battalions, as well as another 3-5-7 million stoned horses, will meet the RF Armed Forces with flowers?
            After all, we will have to shoot them, completely frostbitten horses .... Do you understand that?
            And without entering the army there, there can be no unification
            Or - if suddenly the locals start raising the pitchfork for "Glory to Ukraine!" on the spot without speaking. Then we will be greeted as deliverers - otherwise there is no way
            ZY And by the way, they don't call us to Belarus either
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 26 August 2021 07: 24
      +7
      our territory with the Russian population is ruled by the USA and Europe
      I agree one hundred percent. If our Russian land as a result of a coup d'état organized by Yeltsin and his gop company, part of our land was separated. This does not mean that the Americans can now rule there. And if Rossel had created the Ural Republic, then they would have giggled here and called them not brothers.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 26 August 2021 07: 47
        -2
        Quote: Gardamir
        And if Rossel had created the Ural Republic, then they would have giggled here and called them names not brothers.

        Ural, Siberian, Far Eastern ... Enough to feed the Caucasus, enough to feed Moscow ...
        Who do you think put an end to this?

        "A fairy tale tells itself quickly, but it's not done quickly".

        I have repeatedly written that it is necessary to join the EP and change its content for which I received a bunch of disadvantages. Putin is doing the same thing, but from above: he has blocked access to the Duma for outright ill-wishers (his amendments to the Constitution). In these elections, the list of United Russia will be headed by his people (there is no "molded friend" Medvedev in it). Only this fall the Duma will become less concerned with the Russian one. Only now has it become possible to intercept control at the legislative level.

        ps
        “I very much hope that United Russia will maintain its position and will be able to make the necessary decisions at the legislative level in the interests of the country", - said the head of state on August 22 at a meeting with representatives of the party
        1. Kittymoore
          Kittymoore 26 August 2021 08: 06
          +12
          I very much hope that United Russia will retain its positions and will be able to make the necessary decisions at the legislative level in the interests of the country, "the head of state said.


          And in the previous 20 years, United Russia did not have the ability to make decisions in the interests of the country.

          But this time, of course, everything will be different. Yeah.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 August 2021 08: 24
            -1
            Quote: Kitty Moore
            And in the previous 20 years

            It took the Trotskyists 40 years to turn the country from socialism to capitalism - from 1953 to 1993.

            Quote: Kitty Moore
            And in the previous 20 years, United Russia did not have the ability to make decisions in the interests of the country.

            No, it didn’t. Many MPs had accounts abroad and not only that.
            Read those amendments submitted by the president into the constitution.

            Quote: Kitty Moore
            Ага.

            Ага.
            1. Kittymoore
              Kittymoore 26 August 2021 08: 34
              +2
              Are the accounts gone now? Transferred everything to Post Bank and opened ruble accounts? And they sold all the real estate and bought apartments in Pskov?
              Read the amendments yourself and that's it at the same time.
              https://ria.ru/20210825/grazhdanstvo-1747234469.html

              Your amendments are something on the level: "we will not raise the retirement age"
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 26 August 2021 08: 43
                0
                Quote: Kitty Moore
                Are the accounts gone now?

                They found one from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation - they were excluded from the lists of candidates for deputies.

                If you have information that a candidate with accounts abroad is on the lists, then it is your civil duty to report this to the CEC.
                Phone number, give? laughing
                1. Kittymoore
                  Kittymoore 26 August 2021 08: 45
                  +4
                  Naturally, you ignored the news that Putin allowed officials to have dual citizenship.

                  And they did the right thing to exclude. Since the mind was not enough to write property to the wife / son / father-in-law / brother.

                  We have crowds of security officials of all stripes for different tastes and colors. Millions of them.
                  It is their responsibility to follow the law, not mine.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 26 August 2021 08: 49
                    -3
                    Quote: Kitty Moore
                    Putin allowed officials have dual citizenship

                    And what about the Deputies, what? We have a conversation for them.
                    1. Kittymoore
                      Kittymoore 26 August 2021 08: 54
                      +5
                      And the deputies are not officials? Here is a quote: “President Vladimir Putin signed a decree allowing Russians with foreign citizenship to apply for state or municipal service in exceptional cases.

                      Is the MP not a civil servant? Doesn't receive a salary from the budget, doesn't have protection, status and privileges?

                      As I understand it, if necessary, you will prove that the Sun rises in the West.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 26 August 2021 08: 57
                        -1
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        Is the MP not a civil servant?

                        The deputies were personally noted that they cannot. laughing
                      2. Kittymoore
                        Kittymoore 26 August 2021 09: 13
                        +5
                        The bottom line is that MPs can have someone else's citizenship. But senators cannot have it.
                        All this is spelled out in the Federal Law "On the status of a senator of the Russian Federation and the status of a deputy of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation"

                        You even read the laws, otherwise you vote for everything, and then you start to invent fairy tales.

                        Although you are an ordinary guardian, I expected a dialogue. Sorry for the wasted time.
                        All the best.
                      3. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 27 August 2021 11: 07
                        -1
                        Where is the provision that deputies can have a second citizenship?
                      4. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 27 August 2021 14: 08
                        -1
                        https://base.garant.ru/10118919/1cafb24d049dcd1e7707a22d98e9858f/
                        Article 1. Senator of the Russian Federation, Deputy of the State Duma
                        Article 1 amended from December 22, 2020 - Federal Law of December 22, 2020 N 440-FZ
                        Article 1. Senator of the Russian Federation, Deputy of the State Duma

                        Part 1 amended from December 22, 2020 - Federal Law of December 22, 2020 N 440-FZ
                        1. Senators of the Russian Federation are those authorized in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the federal law on the procedure for forming the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation to exercise in the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as the Federation Council) legislative and other powers provided for by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and this Federal law:
                        a) a representative from a constituent entity of the Russian Federation;
                        b) the President of the Russian Federation, who terminated the exercise of his powers due to the expiration of his term of office or early in the event of his resignation, if he made a decision to exercise the powers of a senator of the Russian Federation (hereinafter - the Senator of the Russian Federation - the President of the Russian Federation, powers);
                        c) a representative of the Russian Federation appointed by the President of the Russian Federation.
                        2. A deputy of the State Duma is a representative of the people elected in accordance with the federal law on the election of deputies of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, authorized to exercise in the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation (hereinafter - the State Duma) legislative and other powers provided for by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and this Federal law.
                        Part 3 amended from December 22, 2020 - Federal Law of December 22, 2020 N 440-FZ
                        3. A citizen of the Russian Federation who has citizenship of a foreign state or a residence permit or other document confirming the right to permanent residence of a citizen of the Russian Federation on the territory of a foreign state may not be a Senator of the Russian Federation, a deputy of the State Duma.

                        And where did you see the right of State Duma deputies to have a second citizenship or residence permit? As we can see from the text of the Law, the requirements for senators and deputies of the State Duma in this regard are the same.

                        As far as I know, in Belarus, citizens of the Russian Federation can become municipal deputies. In the Russian Federation, this issue is interpreted ambiguously. Although there were examples of the election of citizens of the Republic of Belarus as deputies of rural, settlement, district councils. But citizens of the Republic of Belarus cannot work with us as civil servants or municipal employees.
                      5. your1970
                        your1970 26 August 2021 17: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        Is the MP not a civil servant? Doesn't receive a salary from the budget, doesn't have protection, status and privileges?

                        You are confusing God's gift and scrambled eggs ...
                        Deputies NOT are civil servants. Basically...
                        Different laws - on deputies and 79-FZ on the civil service ...
                      6. Kittymoore
                        Kittymoore 26 August 2021 18: 01
                        +2
                        Sophistry.
                        A deputy in the Russian Federation is an ordinary official who makes decisions from above. Even the leader of the NOD Fedorov spoke about this.
                        Although legally you are right.

                        The bottom line is that crap about foreign citizenship does not apply to deputies. That is why I brought a quote from the Federal Law.
                  2. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 26 August 2021 18: 55
                    +1
                    Was it too lazy to read additional information? Peskov explained that we are talking about persons with a second Ukrainian citizenship. That is, about some civil servants in Crimea and civil servants who came from the LPR. As far as I understand, the procedure for renouncing Ukrainian citizenship involves their arrival in Ukraine, which for many means the threat of arrest and criminal prosecution.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 26 August 2021 20: 06
                      +2
                      Quote: Sergej1972
                      Peskov explained that we are talking about persons with a second Ukrainian citizenship.

                      A noble excuse, which is completely inadvertently caught by the deputies of the United Russia who have a residence permit in the EU. laughing
                      1. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 26 August 2021 20: 38
                        +1
                        Decree on state and ministerial servants. Deputies (as, by the way, governors and mayors) do not belong to this category.
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 26 August 2021 21: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        Deputies (as, by the way, governors and mayors) do not belong to this category.

                        Well - under this law "accidentally" officials from the United Russia are included. laughing So clearer?
                      3. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 26 August 2021 22: 14
                        0
                        Well, if a Crimean official or a native of the LPNR who entered the civil service, join the United Russia. I think that those LDNR residents with Russian passports who will be able to vote on September 19 will vote mainly for United Russia.
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 27 August 2021 07: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        LDNR residents with Russian passports, who will be able to vote on September 19, will vote mainly for United Russia.

                        Is not a fact. There are many people who are already disappointed. Life in the LPNR is worse today than in Russia and Ukraine. All this is due to the suspended state.
                        Today the United Russia will not get the same results even in Crimea as it did three or four years ago. Many have already taken off their rose-colored glasses. The power of some oligarchs was replaced by the power of others.
                      5. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 27 August 2021 10: 07
                        0
                        I think quite a lot, and not only there, will vote for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. The only thing that older people can confuse and vote for the Communists of Russia. Well, the LDPR has a stable electorate. In the programs of some parties there are some quite good proposals. But is there any point in voting for them if they still don't pass the XNUMX% barrier? By voting for a party that is not going to pass or by spoiling the ballot, the voter helps the parties that have passed the barrier. Putting an obscene word instead of a tick in front of the party name, the person does not understand that it will be counted as a vote "for".)
                      6. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 27 August 2021 11: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        seniors may confuse and vote for the Communists of Russia

                        That's how they were created for this! laughing
                        Also, some "self-nominated candidates" changed their names before registration, and became the full namesakes of candidates from the Communist Party.
                      7. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 27 August 2021 14: 27
                        +1
                        I communicated with some of the people from this party virtually. Ordinary members are really supporters of communist ideas. But Suraikin is not that muddy, I will not say. But, as it is fashionable to say now, he has no charisma and, it seems to me, no organizational talents.
                      8. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 27 August 2021 14: 09
                        0
                        https://base.garant.ru/10118919/1cafb24d049dcd1e7707a22d98e9858f/
                        Part 3 amended from December 22, 2020 - Federal Law of December 22, 2020 N 440-FZ
                        3. A citizen of the Russian Federation who has citizenship of a foreign state or a residence permit or other document confirming the right to permanent residence of a citizen of the Russian Federation on the territory of a foreign state may not be a Senator of the Russian Federation, a deputy of the State Duma.
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 26 August 2021 15: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Boris55
                  They found one from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation - they were excluded from the lists of candidates for deputies.

                  The candidate is holding the original documents confirming the closure of the accounts. And he presented them there. It was possible to register, but schedule a check. But they didn't. There is a bias.
                  So there is no need to repeat Ellochkin's nonsense.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 26 August 2021 17: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    the candidate is in the hands of the original documents confirming the closure of the accounts. And he presented them there. It was possible to register, but schedule a check.

                    Don't find strange that this particular candidate of the type "from the communists" everytime find open accounts abroad. And every time - "Oh, not mine! Oh, my, but a little! Oh, I closed it a long time ago! Oh, I closed it recently!"
                    Z. Y. The fact that Stalin is spinning in his grave at the word "communist-billionaire" is lol the current realities of the communists
                    ... the billionaire is really ruble, not dollar ...
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 26 August 2021 19: 49
                      0
                      Quote: your1970
                      every time they find open accounts abroad

                      And every time, for some reason, to the elections.
                      Yes, really weird.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 26 August 2021 21: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: your1970
                        every time they find open accounts abroad

                        And every time, for some reason, to the elections.
                        Yes, really weird.
                        - I don’t ...
                        the person has money in the accounts regularly over the hill, that's all
            2. Konnick
              Konnick 26 August 2021 09: 20
              +3
              It took the Trotskyists 40 years to turn the country from socialism to capitalism - from 1953 to 1993.

              You are absolutely confusing revisionism with Trotskyism. Trotskyism is a leftist trend. Permanent revolution is the basis of Trotskyism. Don't call yourself a Bolshevik. Looking at you can become an anti-communist. Deep ignorance in knowledge and concepts, you know only slogans and mottos.
        2. Sergey Gusak
          Sergey Gusak 26 August 2021 08: 10
          +6
          Have you joined the EP?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 August 2021 08: 26
            -2
            Quote: Sergey Gusak
            Have you joined the EP?

            No. I am a Bolshevik. I support Putin because he creates the basis for a radical reform of Russia.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 26 August 2021 09: 09
              +3
              Quote: Boris55
              I am a Bolshevik. I support Putin

              You are probably only one such Bolshevik.
              1. Konnick
                Konnick 26 August 2021 09: 13
                +3
                You are probably only one such Bolshevik.

                Well, what a Bolshevik he is, he is a Menshevik and supports the baker.
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 26 August 2021 08: 50
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          I have written on numerous occasions that need to join the EP and change its content

          Is there any other way to get rid of the EP?

          Under the drunk, the party in power was the Union of Right Forces. And influential enough. As soon as the authorities (Berezovsky) came up with an EP to replace, the rating on the right fell below the floor. So it will be with the EP itself, as soon as the authorities let it go.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 August 2021 08: 55
            -1
            Quote: Stas157
            Is there any other way to get rid of the EP?

            Why run into rudeness if you can do the same without noise and dust? Long years of work in the SVR leave their imprints on the subsequent activities of Putin.
        4. military_cat
          military_cat 26 August 2021 09: 25
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          Only this fall the Duma will become less concerned with the Russian one. Only now has it become possible to intercept control at the legislative level.

          Nope, it won't. Again, something gets in the way. Outright ill-wishers will be underestimated. But next time, in 2026, it will definitely be!
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 26 August 2021 18: 51
        0
        Well, Rossel's plan assumed the creation of a republic on the model of Tatarstan or Bashkortostan, within the Russian Federation. Although the idea is absurd and impossible under the 1993 Constitution. For the main difference according to the Constitution of the republic from the edge, region, city of federal significance is the presence of another (other) state language (languages) or official languages, in addition to the national Russian language.
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 26 August 2021 08: 03
      0
      In such a situation, the United States cannot afford to tease the mature Russian bear.

      a male bear can also devour its cubs. it is better to call Russia a bear. she always protects her cubs
    5. Cat
      Cat 26 August 2021 08: 31
      -1
      They wrote to you that the "Russian bear" had just matured. About 50 years ago, he was a very small bear cub.
  2. avia12005
    avia12005 26 August 2021 04: 57
    +8
    An attempt once again to find an answer to the question: how to come to an agreement with the West, which gave birth to and pays for modern Ukrainian Nazism? The answer is no way.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 26 August 2021 07: 03
      +1
      Quote: avia12005
      how to come to an agreement with the West, which gave birth to and pays for modern Ukrainian Nazism? The answer is no way.

      Agree! If you try to give Donbass at least some status, a revolt of all nationalist forces will begin. And as the author writes
      The economic blockade can be lifted from Donbass, enterprises of the republics can receive the status of Ukrainian (under certain mutually beneficial conditions) and legally carry out economic activities without restrictions, and Ukrainian, Russian and foreign investors will be able to invest in the industry of Donbass.

      to turn Donbass into Taiwan - the Nazis don't have enough brains. Too fooled. Moreover, Ze does not in any way affect the shelling, only he can deal with "decommunization" and promote the language law.
      1. Cat
        Cat 26 August 2021 08: 48
        +1
        revolt of all nationalist forces.

        Do you really consider them to be some kind of independent force? Whoever dines on a girl rebelled against her.
  3. Gunther
    Gunther 26 August 2021 05: 41
    0
    good overview, but "played along with green energy" is debatable - there may be sanctions against our enterprises that do not fit into the Procrustean bed of this "green" energy.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 26 August 2021 06: 40
      +4
      Quote: Gunter
      possible sanctions against our enterprises that do not fit into the Procrustean bed of this "green" energy.

      Why sanctions? It will simply be necessary to pay tax if you trade with the West. Those who do not have green energy will pay the West for the transition to a new technological order.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 26 August 2021 07: 58
      -5
      The British, stepping on a Faberge, are already begging that Putin VV should speak in Glasgow on the international climate conference. The issues are very serious on the carbon footprint. I think he will speak and put his eyes on their sly ass in Glasgow. hi
  4. Kittymoore
    Kittymoore 26 August 2021 06: 34
    +6
    economist Khazin


    When did he manage to become an economist? He seems to be still waiting for a "left" turn, talks about the bad boyars and predicts the collapse of the United States.
    Doubtful authority.

    At a press conference in Kiev, Merkel unexpectedly announced that "Russia is a party to this conflict", as if hinting to Zelensky that the game of aggravation with Moscow is fraught, from an observer she can quickly become a punishing sword


    She does not hint at anything, but accuses Russia of allegedly fighting with Ukraine in the Donbass. This is a purely Ukrainian position.
    The author would have to read more closely, and not interpret the directly said things according to their wishes


    The rest: the author's wet fantasies based on "rhetoric".
    It’s time to understand that they are judged by deeds, not words.
    SP2 is introduced - yes. And they bring him under the third energy package.
    There is no progress in Ukraine, but new sanctions for Navalny have already been announced.
    Friend China? Only in words.
    He speaks loudly, and comrade Xi smiles broadly and shakes hands, but being smart, he does not go into trouble. Others carry chestnuts for him.

    PS
    Calling Ukrainians "natives" and "aborigines", the author just pours water on the mill of Ukrainian nationalists and shows meager mind.
    Let me remind you that the position of Russia is that we are one people.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 26 August 2021 08: 08
      0
      From January to July, through JV 1, 33,7 billion cubic meters were pumped, it operates with excess capacity. With JV 2, the issue is being resolved.
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 26 August 2021 08: 48
      +5
      Quote: Kitty Moore
      When did he manage to become an economist?
      Probably, when he headed the analytical department of "ELBIM-Bank", he worked in the center of economic reforms under the Government of Russia, then, in the Ministry of Economics, he headed the department of credit policy. Co-author of a number of works on economics. Therefore, Khazin is a Russian public figure, publicist, blogger, television and radio presenter, and economist.

      As for the "natives" and "aborigines", this is not about the people, but the government of present-day Ukraine, and then in the context of the attitude of the United States towards them in this, as their master, the "white master".

      You shouldn't be so running into the author, Yuri Mikhailovich is not a youth of the bourgeois era. After the coup d'état in Kiev, Apukhtin made great efforts to unite the disparate protest organizations of Kharkov into a single public pro-Russian movement, called "South-East".

      Yuri Mikhailovich is a candidate of economic and technical sciences, the developer of the latest Soviet tanks, the former leading designer of the Design Bureau named after V.I. Morozova, professor of the tank academy.
      He spent two and a half years in the Kharkiv SIZO for the fact that after the coup d'etat he demanded the restoration of the constitutional system in Ukraine, its federalization, taking into account the national and cultural characteristics of the regions and giving an official status to the Russian language.

      He knows what he's talking about.
      1. Kittymoore
        Kittymoore 26 August 2021 09: 07
        +5
        1. Yes, in the 90s he worked in the government and was a supporter of reforms (otherwise he would not have been kept there). Now he is denouncing the capitalists, talking about the "left turn" and waiting for the collapse of America.
        He wrote works that are of no interest to anyone except his followers. Well done.
        Such a firmness of convictions can be envied.
        Alas, sitting in a chair in a ministry does not mean being an economist.
        The great commander Serdyukov is an example for you.
        Well, or Murashko is the beacon of medicine.
        2. The bottom line is that the article must always be correct. Especially if you are a candidate of sciences, and not a gopnik with pivasik, which speaks for life with the lads.
        This is a cultural element.
        3. I don't care what he did there. I am not discussing his personality, but the article.
        He may love kittens and buns, but what does that have to do with the subject of the conversation?
        Your professor is talking nonsense, and the number of regalia is not impressive. In the USSR, there were crowds of "scientists" (more than anyone else in the world) that sat out for a salary.
        Let me rate the content of the article.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 26 August 2021 09: 43
          +4
          Quote: Kitty Moore
          Let me rate the content of the article.
          This is your right, but if you are evaluating an article, you should also evaluate it not at the level of "gopnik with pivasik", with an independent verdict that "the professor is talking nonsense."
          Also, where did you get the idea that Khazin's works on economics are of no interest to anyone? If you are not personally interested in you, do not say "for all of Odessa." About "kittens and buns" if "according to Freud", they are rather important for fat cats, young and impulsive.

          Otherwise, the problems in Donbass are not the problem of Apukhtin or Khazin, it is the problem of our government, which is also dependent on the West. Who made Vladimir Vladimirovich recognize the farce with the elections in Ukraine, which were carried out by those who carried out the anti-constitutional coup in Kiev, under the patronage of the CIA and the US State Department? They recognized the Bandera government, and automatically the referendum on Crimea became illegal for the whole world, since it is the integrity of Ukraine. Now, if the referendums in Donbass were recognized, and the junta in Kiev was told that you are no one to call you, it’s another matter, it would be possible to hold an all-Ukrainian referendum on the self-determination of the regions.

          Alas, Didier Burkhalter made it clear to Moscow where and who has the money of our "elite", and what will happen to them if they make the wrong choice for the West. Cheeks puff out one thing, "let them just try" ... We tried, since 2014, Russians have been killed in Donbass, and no one will get off with "tomatoes" to this day. Who needs the people's republics, with a socialist orientation, with our bad boys and their bourgeoisie? With Belarus, the alliance does not stick, Lukashenka does not let goats into the garden.
          1. Kittymoore
            Kittymoore 26 August 2021 10: 12
            +2
            1. The professor interprets the facts completely wildly, interpreting them beyond recognition and thereby giving them a completely different meaning. I have cited the most striking examples, there was enough other game, but there is no desire to outline the sheet of delirium.
            Therefore, I gave this assessment - nonsense.
            Yes, it is harsh, but only because the author caused a feeling of disgust. Usually I pass by such articles, but then chauvinism, hurray-patriotism, obsequiousness and obstinacy intertwined in such a crazy cocktail that at first I thought that the article was written by Prokhanov.
            2. I can hardly imagine people who might be interested in Khazin. Probably these are about the same people who study history according to Starikov, and political science according to Shakhnazarov from Solovyov. Well, to each his own. I am subjective.
            3. Geopolitics, in principle, disgusts me, since it is a competition of money bags, where the price is the life of ordinary people. Therefore, I will not judge what had to be done there and who was to blame.
            They can say that I feel sorry for all those who died in Donbass, regardless of the side of the conflict.
            These are elite games.


            In war, the killing of people is not uncommon. Did you think that the Russians would not die there? This is the price, and whether the price is worth the achieved result is the essence of everyone decides for himself.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 26 August 2021 19: 05
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            The Swiss minister is a super-influential figure.)
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 27 August 2021 06: 23
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              Quote: Sergej1972
              just a super-influential figure.)
              Rather, he was only a "goodwill ambassador", so to speak, "asked to transfer" from the owners. In any case, Switzerland is a popular world money store, the "capital" of banks.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 27 August 2021 11: 14
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                At the same time, there is no previous unconditional secrecy of deposits in Switzerland. Yielded to US pressure.
    3. Alber alber
      Alber alber 26 August 2021 23: 08
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      Si also has no special hopes for chestnuts, they are stoned Yankees, once they realized that only we can actually destroy them physically and that they will not get off this topic, even if we have a bow and arrow from our weapons. The same is true for the cunning Chinese guys, their cunning skated when they needed them against us, now the West realized that China does not plan to die for the interests of the West, well, that's it, the same enemy for all time and all attempts to make China happy again accepted only in the format of the former colonial dependence of the times of the opium wars.
  5. Basarev
    Basarev 26 August 2021 09: 03
    +2
    And Russia does not have the strength to force Ukraine to comply with the agreement in terms of giving a special status to Donbass as part of Ukraine.

    Everything you need to know about the great power, world influence and brilliant foreign policy of Vladimir.
  6. Maks1995
    Maks1995 26 August 2021 09: 40
    +1
    And you are not tired of writing this naivety? Roughly similar many, many times have already written about him and about P. Tolku zero.

    Buffer zones existed before the age of 14 3. For many years. It means it is profitable.
    Well, the 4th was added. It is also beneficial.
    It was not for nothing that VVP said: "We must rejoice" on a close occasion.

    Only the observers benefit. You can fill entire sites with articles on Khokhlotema from day to day ...
  7. Petrik66
    Petrik66 26 August 2021 09: 52
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    There is an example of Moldova, where the Yankes actively cooperated with us removing the mafia Plahisha, he has already tired everyone. The result is the election of Sandu and her sorosites, a sluggish tension with the PMR.
  8. Alexander Pseudonym
    Alexander Pseudonym 26 August 2021 12: 09
    -1
    There will be no intermediate result. One side will win.
  9. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 August 2021 12: 22
    -2
    Is an intermediate "tie result" possible in the war in Donbass?
    recourse Only if a liberal will play on our side.
    Undecidability of the Minsk Agreements
    Who said? Greens, are you playing for him? angry
    В expert environment a version of a possible agreement between the United States and Russia on Tie result, excluding the complete victory of one of the parties.
    A compromise can be achieved by ending the war and implementing the disengagement of troops and weapons provided for in the agreements under appropriate control, and Ukraine will be obliged to comply with the decision. Donbass de jure remains a part of Ukraine, and de facto will exist independently, while Russia will not take steps to integrate it into its structure.
    fool Brad, this is in the midst of self-proclaimed liberal experts. A draw is a loss for Russia. fool
    Surkov, who was in charge of the Ukrainian direction in the Kremlin at that time, confirmed this in later interviews.
    What time, 100 years ago? fool
    А Russia has no strength force Ukraine to comply with the agreement in terms of giving a special status to Donbass as part of Ukraine.
    Russia has time, but Ukraine does not! fool
  10. Egor53
    Egor53 26 August 2021 14: 04
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    A solution to the situation in Donbass is impossible without force. The cessation of shelling of civilians in Donbass cannot be achieved through negotiations. It is necessary to physically destroy ALL military units of Ukraine on the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, within the borders where the referendum on secession from Ukraine was held. This issue is not technically difficult to solve. It is necessary to recognize the Donetsk republics, and provide them with a sufficient number of Iskanders and Calibers for the complete destruction of all the occupying Ukrainian troops. After a massive rocket attack, the troops of the DPR and LPR will be able to liberate the entire territory of their republics from the invaders.
    And it is not very difficult to lift the blockade. Until the blockade is lifted, Donetsk troops should move westward .... to Transnistria.
    The West will howl and express its protests, but nothing more.
  11. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 26 August 2021 16: 27
    +1
    “A compromise can be reached by ending the war and fulfilling the disengagement of troops and armaments stipulated by the agreements under appropriate control, and Ukraine will be obliged to fulfill the decision. Donbass de jure remains a part of Ukraine, and de facto will exist independently, while Russia will not take steps to integrate it into its structure. "

    So it already is. Why should we exchange what we have for what we have?
  12. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 August 2021 17: 08
    +2
    Trying to prevent Russia from close ties with China failed: Putin and Xi held an online conference and reaffirmed their shared interests

    Yuri, this statement is at the level of some Ukrainian-Bandera "source", they say, tremble, Russia, Biden expressed solidarity with the progressive forces of Ukraine ... Was it worth descending to this level?
  13. ppgt90
    ppgt90 26 August 2021 20: 44
    +1
    I am very interested in what kind of audience is often sprinkled with comments. I read the ones that were closer and I sit wondering. Frankly. I just don’t know whether to cry, laugh or catch the would-be commentators and send me to the hospital. Foolishness rushing recklessly. The haters of Putin are especially different. This is always missing something. I would add lyuley from the bottom of my heart. That is why a person should know whether Putin has enough testosterone or not? The second claims that Putin and the government are doing nothing for the evolution of the economy. A third authoritatively states that Putin has no conscience. There are many "terribly incriminating words and phrases" and not an ounce of thought and meaning. These commentators do not even understand what they are writing about and seem terribly "brave and smart" to themselves. In general, an obvious madhouse. But this is me about comments and commentators. Now about the article itself. I don’t understand what this opus is about. Let's look in history when and where the wars ended ATTENTION !? Incredible stupidity. The screensaver in the form of a chessboard with figures generally makes you think about the author's competence. Wars are far from being chess games. The author himself does not know the question about which he reasonably argues. This is not just some kind of quarrel between Ivan Ivanovich and Ivan Nikiforovich. These events have been nurtured since 1945, since the beginning of the Cold War, which continues to this day by the Lord of pseudo analytics. Do not meddle in areas unknown to you. Do not expose your stupidity with a smart look. In all this confrontation, the stakes are much higher than the LPR and DPR. In 2008, there was a trial balloon, one can call it reconnaissance in force. But in 2014 - this could already be a great start. Putin, Shoigu and Lavrov managed to turn the situation in their favor, managed to transfer the conflict from a hot to a smoldering phase. I hope that they will be able to finally turn the tide in their favor. It's not about Ukraine and Russia. Our "partners" have already rubbed their palms, when will the civil won break out in Russia. The Russians will tear up the Russians, and the LGBT bastard had to take off the foam. Lord accusers. You are sooo stupid supervisors, or just from the very same LGBT bastard.
  14. andm2
    andm2 27 August 2021 06: 12
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    While the situation in Ukraine is deteriorating, there is no need to interfere with this process. But when (and if) it starts to improve, then it will be possible to take tougher measures.
  15. bzbo
    bzbo 27 August 2021 19: 36
    +1
    How did it happen that the Russians, who are two-thirds in Ukraine, felt like crypto-Jews under the strange name Ukrainians. And if I'm wrong, name me at least one "Ukrainian Nationalist" - a non-Jew, in extreme cases a Hungarian, a Georgian Tatar, and so on ...
  16. Seamaster
    Seamaster 28 August 2021 01: 57
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    Most likely, active progress in resolving the situation in Donbass on the part of Russia will begin in about a year, when the SP-2 will be certified and will start operating normally. And Caucasians will get used to this and, as a result, to relatively low gas prices. While they are blackmailing by not allowing the SP-2 to be completed and put into operation. And then it will be impossible to blackmail this - no one wants to sacrifice a comfortable life. It is then that the steps described in this article will begin to be taken STEP BY STEP.
  17. Oleg Malkov
    Oleg Malkov 28 August 2021 08: 45
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    Everything is too simplistic and primitive.
    We do not know exactly who the real geopolitical players are, moving the chips on the planet from that side. Perhaps this is known to Putin and Xi Jinping, but not to us. Although, as the Scripture says, you will recognize them by their deeds, and it is their deeds that have long been revealed for an attentive observer by ears, tails, and even horns, but faces are still not visible, and we cannot yet say for sure: " Here they are!"
    However, it is clear that they are, of course, not Zelensky and Avakov, not Merkel with Macron, and not even Biden with the entire State Department and the Federal Reserve. All of the above are just figures in the hands (paws, hooves) of the main geopolitical players. Figures that are easily rearranged (for example, the intricate turns of the careers of the newly minted leaders of the controlled Eastern Europe, the same Polish Tusk) or sacrificed (a striking example is the career of Strauss-Kahn).
    For an attentive observer, there is no question of who and why blew up the Twin Towers. Obviously, the initiative did not come from the dramatized al-Qaeda, and certainly not from the Afghan Taliban.
    Neither is the question of who needed the terrorist attacks in Kabul the day before yesterday and why.
    Likewise, it is quite clear that the Ukrainian Maidan is an integral part of the great geopolitical game played by the same behind-the-scenes players.
    Obviously, the main geopolitical goal of the Maidan was the transformation of Crimea into a kind of symbiosis of Kosovo and the Syrian-Iraqi ISIS, where, under the cover of an American military base, which was supposed to become the largest American military base in the world, combining both naval and land , and a military space base, the largest American-controlled Islamist terrorist center, which was supposed to become the most powerful geopolitical tool for controlling all of Europe, Turkey and the Middle East, and waging a terrorist war with Russia and Iran, should have flourished.
    Under these conditions, of course, the only correct decision on the part of Russia was the return of Crimea. With one blow, the geopolitical plans of the enemy were destroyed, which was shocked and then forced to feverishly build new plans, perform not fully thought out and elaborated actions (the same provocation with Boeing or provocation with Skripals). Hence the huge number of geopolitical mistakes made by the enemy.
    And the conclusion of the Minsk agreements is the next strategic mistake of the enemy. The Minsk agreements did not allow the enemy, after the defeat in the Crimea, to gather and concentrate for a new strike, like the one that was planned with the capture of Crimea. The enemy turned out to be bound by Minsk to such an extent that he began to spend all his enormous unspent energy and potential on the search for overcoming it or attempts to use it in his own interests. Minsk turned out to be a false target for the enemy, to which he threw his potential, not noticing how Russia, acting under the cover of Minsk, gradually increased its military and geopolitical potential so that it completely changed the alignment of forces in the world without a major war.
    This situation led the enemy to even greater shock.
    The enemy realized that Minsk was a false target, but the time had already been lost.
    Therefore, at present, the situation with Ukraine and the Minsk agreements is just one of the cards of our geopolitical adversary, and the card has not been a trump card for a long time. For this reason, today it is impossible to accurately determine the fate of these agreements, since it will be decided on the basis of a combination of a large number of different factors, depending on the tactics and strategies chosen by our geopolitical adversary in a large geopolitical card game. This card can be played in the near future, or maybe, on the contrary, saved for another ten years until better times.
    So, only one thing can be said about the fate of the Minsk Agreements - how the card will fall.
    And trying to judge by the actions of game figures (Zelensky, Poroshenko, Avakov, Biden, etc.), which have no will of their own and who fulfill exclusively the will of the main player, is the same as guessing on coffee grounds.
  18. tank64rus
    tank64rus 29 August 2021 16: 51
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    "At any opportunity, it will be handed over with giblets without any regret." Afghanistan is a good example for everyone else. Not everyone will be able to escape into the shining hail on the hill, someone will fall off the plane.
  19. Maks1995
    Maks1995 1 September 2021 09: 29
    -1
    What to argue then? As if the LDNR were the first?
    Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Transnistria have existed for many, many years.

    That means it's profitable. This means it is stable.

    Benefits and money don't smell
  20. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 3 September 2021 18: 55
    0
    Negotiate with the United States and arrange the "Taiwan" option on the territory of the former. The Ukrainian SSR would make sense to get the territory from the Luhansk region to Transnistria. Otherwise, it will never be a "no-one's result".