The cat-and-mouse incident between the British AUG and the Chinese type 093 submarines is overgrown with details

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As you know, numerous Chinese military experts and knowledgeable observers are literally unanimously trying to refute the authenticity of the information of sources in the British Defense Department about the discovery and identification a month earlier in the South China Sea of ​​three multipurpose nuclear submarine cruisers of Project 093B / G "Shang" of the PLA Navy by operators -hydroacoustics of Project 23 HMS "Kent" (F78) and HMS "Richmond" (F239) and HMS "Richmond" (F08) anti-submarine frigates, as well as the Astute-class multipurpose nuclear submarine, now and then denouncing Whitehall military officials and the British media of boasting and pompous praise and overestimation of tactics -technical parameters of the onboard SACs of the above-mentioned surface combat ships and a multipurpose submarine that transited through the water area of ​​Biendong as part of the AUG marching order led by the aircraft carrier HMS "Queen Elizabeth" (RXNUMX).

Another deliberate move by Whitehall PR specialists or a real hydroacoustic dive in the waters of the South China Sea?


Indeed, in this case, we have every reason to believe that the refutation of the information about the direction finding of the Shan-class submarine by the sonar means of the British AUG, put forward by the Chinese expert circles, has a right to exist.



After all, the skill of Whitehall's public relations and alarmists, who attach sacred significance to almost every long-distance cruise of warships fleet Her Majesty, then frightening the population of Foggy Albion with the exit of our submarines of pr. 949A to the launch lines of 2-fly anti-ship missiles 3M45 Granit across London, and sometimes even praising the hastily fictional operation of the British anti-submarine forces "to suppress the penetration of diesel-electric submarines of the" Halibut "and" Varshavyanka "in the water area of ​​the Irish Sea", one can only envy.

At the same time, it would be extremely naive to underestimate, let alone belittle, the tactical and technical parameters of in-hull active-passive sonar systems installed on multipurpose nuclear submarines of the Astute class, as well as low-frequency sonar stations based on flexible extended towed antennas (GPBA ) deployed on Duke-class frigates.

In particular, the Astute class MAPLs integrated into anti-submarine combat information and control systems, the Type 2076 in-vessel wide-aperture SAC (designed by the military-industrial giant Thales) have phased acoustic arrays based on an array of 13 hydrophones.

In terms of the levels of resolution, sensitivity and noise immunity (the ability to effectively select propeller noises and acoustic portraits of enemy submarine hulls in the "sneaking" mode against the background of other noises of artificial and natural origin), these hydroacoustic systems are at the level of such the most advanced SACs in modern stories submarine construction, such as MGK-600 "Irtysh-Amphora-Ash" (installed on the domestic ultra-low-noise multipurpose nuclear missile submarines pr. 885 / M "Yasen / -M") and AN / BQQ-10 / B, installed on American multipurpose nuclear submarines classes "Virginia Block II / III".

Under normal hydrological conditions, the SJSC Type 2076 boasts the ability to take direction finding of underwater objects with an acoustic noise level (acoustic signature) of the order of 80-100 dB at a distance of 200-230 kilometers or more (in the third far zone of acoustic illumination / convergence), while objects with a smaller acoustic signature of the order of 60–65 dB can be tracked in the first far zone of acoustic illumination (at a distance of 50–70 km).

It is most likely that such a level of acoustic noise is characteristic of the Chinese MAPLs of project 093B / G "Shang", which do not have water-jet propellers with advanced fenestrons, which reduce the acoustic signature of submarines.

Therefore, the information about the discovery of a Shan-class submarine following the British AUG transit course several tens of kilometers ahead of the British warrant may well correspond to reality.

Indeed, to prevent a reduction in the distance between the order of the British AUG and the Chinese MPS, the crew of the second had to maintain a speed of about 15 knots, which inevitably increased the acoustic signature of the Shan, revealing its location for the Type 2076 sonar complex of the Astute class submarine.

Do not underestimate the GAS Type 2087 based on flexible extended towed antennas located in the rear of the Type 23 "Duke" frigates.

Being a conceptual and constructive analogue of the domestic GPBA "Vignette-EM", this GAS from the Thales concern is capable, in the active sonar mode (with the use of a low-frequency emitter), to locate a large MAPL of the "Shan" type at a distance of 35–70 km with an accuracy of about 2 degrees ( depending on the hydrological situation) even if the latter operates in the "sneaking" mode at a speed of 3-5 knots.

Moreover, it is well known that Chinese specialists have much less experience in the design of specialized sound-absorbing coatings than, for example, the employees of SPMBM Malakhit, who developed the multipurpose nuclear submarine of project 885 Ash, or General Dynamics Electric Boat / BAE Systems ”, which have designed and carried out regular modernization of Virginia class MPSS.
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  1. +22
    27 August 2021 03: 59
    The author of the article, confidently operating with the corporate and naval names of the complexes, as well as, traditionally for himself, abbreviations, stubbornly confuses the classes of ships with the types. Personally, I'm surprised.
    1. +14
      27 August 2021 05: 59
      With Eugene, it happens.
      But he always unfolds and substantiates his main idea ...
      Although it happens (often) his articles are difficult to read because of the abundance of terms, some of which are so specific that you have to improve your education. laughing
    2. +4
      27 August 2021 20: 05
      persistently confuses ship classes with types.

      In the West, both terms are used to mean "type" - for example - Type 23 frigates and Krivak-class frigate.
      1. +1
        29 August 2021 14: 16
        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
        In the West, both terms are used to mean "type" - for example - Type 23 frigates and Krivak-class frigate.

        So this is an article by a Western author? I didn't know.
    3. 0
      28 August 2021 10: 10
      And he also calls her Majesty, "Her Majesty", ugh. request
  2. -4
    27 August 2021 05: 55
    everything was gone - no gypsum was found, + the Aglitsk people heard the clinking of cutlery and the names of sailors in Chinese boats and counted the number of crews.
    China urgently needs to change the entire composition of the fleet ... and immediately write off all the vessels and lay new ones.
    Who heard what and where someone's boat will fall on the "eternal stop" - history decides. in the case of TRMV, while the Brits are working out cheap chips for their cars (there are not enough of them all over the world and VAZ has stopped, Toyota has reduced the work of conveyors). and in China there are "AvtoVAZs" or continue to work as if nothing had happened?
  3. +4
    27 August 2021 08: 01
    I will not argue with the author, he owns the topic.
    I will support, as far as the Chinese "splendor" is concerned, I strongly doubt it. Naglo-Saxons, but the Chinese have "Success" in everything. It DOES NOT HAPPEN.
  4. +14
    27 August 2021 09: 16
    Indeed, to prevent a reduction in the distance between the order of the British AUG and the Chinese MPS, the crew of the second had to maintain a speed of about 15 knots, which inevitably increased the acoustic signature of the Shan, revealing its location for the Type 2076 sonar complex of the Astute class submarine.


    laughing
    1. +4
      27 August 2021 20: 33
      Quote: Freeman

      laughing

      Isn't this a fascinating spectacle of a submarine training battle? wink
      1. +2
        27 August 2021 21: 06
        Alexey RA (Alexey) Today, 20: 33
        Isn't this a fascinating spectacle of a submarine training battle?

        Between Shang and Astute?
        About the results of which we learn from the material often published on the "VO" edition of the "National Interest"?
        Wangyu - Chinese "Sohu", will deny everything. lol
      2. +2
        29 August 2021 17: 03
        Soon there will be no crowds of boats in the ocean. laughing
  5. +1
    27 August 2021 12: 22
    Therefore, the information about the discovery of a Shan-class submarine following the British AUG transit course several tens of kilometers ahead of the British warrant may well correspond to reality.

    Why does a Chinese boat have to go ahead of British AUG and not following it?
    Indeed, to prevent a reduction in the distance between the order of the British AUG and the Chinese MPS, the crew of the second had to maintain a speed of about 15 knots, which inevitably increased the acoustic signature of the Shan, revealing its location for the Type 2076 sonar complex of the Astute class submarine.

    If the Chinese ran away to maintain their distance, it means that they have already penetrated the location and watched for the British AUG. And why should a Chinese boat "run away" from British ships to maintain its distance?
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  7. +2
    27 August 2021 13: 34
    There is a huge distance between detecting pl and maintaining contact for the confident possibility of using means of destruction.
    The truth is somewhere in between. Pl have been found. But how long the contact was maintained is a moot point.
    Here, by the way, either Klimov or Mina could explain something skillfully.
    1. +2
      27 August 2021 19: 50
      "Mina" is Maxim Aleksandrovich Klimov.
    2. +2
      28 August 2021 11: 16
      Here he is registered as Physicist M.
      hi
    3. +2
      18 September 2021 10: 51
      https://topwar.ru/183065-skrytnosti-bolshe-net-podlodki-privychnogo-nam-vida-obrecheny.html

      https://topwar.ru/169164-protivolodochnaja-oborona-korabli-protiv-podlodok-chast-1-gidroakustika.html

      https://topwar.ru/173104-na-ostrie-podvodnogo-protivostojanija-holodnaja-vojna-podplava.html

      read all three, there almost all the nuances are revealed.

      Recently closed events. Turkish 209 leads Warsaw crawling on ED from 50+ km and can secretly use torpedoes from the same distance.
      PLA, according to a known discrete, is found another PLA from hundreds of km, if its portrait was written off before.

      The Chinese were guarded, and the use of them was worked out
  8. +3
    27 August 2021 19: 34
    Well hello, mister abbreviationist Damantsev !!!
  9. -1
    29 August 2021 14: 12
    objects with a lower acoustic signature of the order of 60–65 dB can be tracked in the first far zone of acoustic illumination (at a distance of 50–70 km).
    impressive! winked to hear the noise as from a working washing machine at such a distance, and the noise level itself from the next Chinese MAPL at a speed of 15 knots! with what speed and noise then our nuclear submarines go, belay they probably don't even have a wall clock ticking))
    1. -1
      29 August 2021 21: 03
      Quote: Vavilov
      with what speed and noise then our nuclear submarines go, belay they probably don't even have a wall clock ticking))

      And the cuckoo's beak is wrapped in blue duct tape. smile
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      2. 0
        29 August 2021 23: 17
        and that, and rightly so, the ticking of the wall clock is 30 dB, but this one will immediately burn)
    2. +1
      18 September 2021 10: 59
      Here is a description of the question

      https://topwar.ru/183065-skrytnosti-bolshe-net-podlodki-privychnogo-nam-vida-obrecheny.html
  10. +1
    18 September 2021 11: 00
    Tell someone to Damantsev about active search.