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Hetman from the circus

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Hetman from the circus

Who does not know the phrase from the "White Guard" of the great Bulgakov:


“The hetman today at about four o'clock in the morning, shamefully leaving us all to the mercy of fate, fled! He ran like the last canal and a coward! "

This is exactly what happened - Kiev, the year 1918, a handful of officers and the hetman of the Ukrainian state, who, having abandoned his supporters, fled to Germany, taking good for the rest of his comfortable life. The final of a career, frankly, is not very good. But it all did not begin with cowardice. Skoropadsky was not someone, but a coward.

The Skoropadsky clan is an old Cossack clan that gave the Hetmanate a number of administrators and hetman, and the empire - large landowners and successful officers. Pavel's father, Colonel Cavalry Guard, provided his young descendant with a successful start in life - the Corps of Pages, the Cavalry Regiment, the Russo-Japanese War, where the brilliant guardsman volunteered, becoming a centurion of the Trans-Baikal Cossack army. As a result - six awards, including a gold weapon For Courage. Already in 1905 - an adjutant wing, in 1906 - a colonel, in 1912 - a major general with enrollment in the Retinue and commander of the Life Guards Cavalry Regiment. For 39 years, the result is brilliant and, in addition to connections among the old aristocracy and huge money, provided with both courage and talent.

His career did not stall further: in 1914 - alternately brigade commander and divisional commander of the Guards cavalry for distinctions in the East Prussian operation, in 1916 - lieutenant general, in January 1917 - accepts the 34th army corps. At this rate, up to 50 years old, Skoropadsky risked breaking under the weight of awards and becoming a field marshal.

There were, of course, explanations for this, in addition to courage and talent.

This is also belonging to the Club of the old clans, where everyone is tied to each other by marriages and interests. And personal capital (one of the largest landowners in Little Russia), and the fact that several generations of the Skoropadsky served in the guard, which became not only and not so much military units, but again - a club, only a military club and supporting its own.

Taking into account the fact that the guards were led by the grand dukes, and the chiefs of the regiments were members of the family ... Well, the fact of marriage with Alexandra Durnovo, whose family was part of a very narrow circle of people closest to the emperor, also contributed.

Be that as it may, in 1917 from Pavel Skoropadsky one could expect a dense monarchism and ardent protection, but he gladly accepted February and began to Ukrainize his corps with the permission and approval of Kornilov (and they say the Bolsheviks laid a mine), de facto creating Ukrainian army on the orders of the commander-in-chief.
Why did this happen?

And the whole tragedy of that Russia is that the higher aristocracy has long wanted, as if according to Tsoi, changes, and they saw England by the light in the window (Pavel himself was brought up by grandfather Andrey in the spirit of English liberalism), at worst, France.

Even some of the Romanovs considered Russia a wrong state and welcomed February, what can we say about an aristocrat from the dynasty of the ruler of a semi-independent semi-state?

So Pavel threw himself into politics with enthusiasm, since, unlike the outcasts from the Rada, he had money and troops. With the corps, however, it turned out uncomfortable, he simply fled, because the peasants wanted land and freedom, and not the Rada or the hetman. But by that time Skoropadsky was already the general chieftain of the Little Russian Cossacks.

And from all official posts, he demonstratively resigned on the eve of the Bolshevik offensive, strengthening his authority in the army and popularity among supporters of order and conservatives. The future hetman did not particularly climb into a fight with the Bolsheviks, giving the members of the Rada the opportunity to break their foreheads on their own.

He stated his real position in letters to his wife:

“I’m going, perhaps, to become a Ukrainian, but I must say in honor, not very convinced.”

One way or another, he was not involved in the disaster of the Rada, as well as in the Brest-Litovsk peace.

But the growing mess, which even the German invaders could not cope with, was very good for him. Moreover, the Germans, having made sure that the Rada was a group of marginal people, who did not enjoy authority and were unable to work, were looking for someone serious for the position of puppet. And it was the General of the Svita who looked like such a figure, after whom they were ready to follow: that of the landowners, that of the capitalists, that of the officers, that of the well-to-do peasants.

How did Skoropadsky feel and what did he think about this situation?

A person who is personally brave and intelligent, he should have understood that he is offered and what he will become. But understanding by understanding, and the chance to become the founder of a dynasty of constitutional monarchs in potentially the richest territory in Europe is another. Fortunately, he calmed his conscience by the fact that

"... for Russia there is no single danger of a federal structure, where every component part could develop freely."

He seems to be saving the Russia of the future, but a federal one.

On April 28, 1918, the Germans arrested the Rada, allocating a whole sergeant major and two soldiers for this case, and at the same time in the Kiev circus, by a certain congress of grain growers, Skoropadsky was elected hetman. The production went brilliantly: no one uttered a word about Radu, everyone was fed up with the mess, and the talkers got it.

His reign was ambivalent.
On the one hand, laws, attempts to build an army, the reconstruction of the secret police and the police, the creation of an academy of sciences ...

On the other hand, violent Ukrainization, open robbery of peasants, brutal suppression of workers' strikes. No matter how much you build a power from a piece of the empire's territory and under the occupation of the Germans: the population will be impoverished, the occupiers will drain resources, and the people will hate such a government.

And so it happened in the end. By the end of the summer, Skoropadsky was hated by everyone: the Russians for national humiliation and shame, Little Russians and political Ukrainians for lack of determination, the upper classes for softness, the lower classes for bestial cruelty. The Entente did not want to negotiate with the German puppet, although he tried.


German bayonets - they are German bayonets, today there are, and tomorrow ...

For the Reds, he was an enemy, for the Whites - a traitor (that is, in fact, it was).

As a result, as soon as everything collapsed in Germany, Skoropadsky instantly remembered that he was Russian, urging in his letter of October 24 to build the Russian Federation. But neither the whites nor the Entente were interested in him by and large, and the supporter of independence, Petliura, together with a member of the UPR government, Vynnychenko, had already formed the Directory and called the peasants to arms.

On December 14, 1918, Skoropadsky fled, leaving his supporters to feed the rioting peasants. In Berlin, he tried to portray himself as a hetman in exile, competing in this with the UPR in exile, but unsuccessfully. In any case, he lived out as a private person and was killed in 1945 by an American bomb.

His fate is a tracing of the fate of many (with variations in the outcome) of the military leaders of the Russian Empire.

The most successful - Mannerheim (Swede) built Finland. The most famous - Kolchak was executed in Irkutsk. some later lived in exile, some returned to punish the Nazis ...

And there can be only one conclusion from this fate - if the generals and aristocrats had this in their heads, and they so easily spat on either the oath or the Motherland, then, apparently, something was wrong with the Russian Empire in its last years. ?

And it’s not a matter of Ukrainianness, Skoropadsky loved Ukraine in his memories, the quote above. But in letters to his wife ... He did not plan them for publication.

The fact is that everyone wanted to become tsars-empire, and then - what came to hand. This desire manifested itself in them instantly, as soon as Russia swayed. And they were the best in the system built by the last Romanovs. The bulk of the whites were in many ways just from the worst, not brilliant and not successful, just like the military experts in the Reds. In fact, taking into account the position of the aristocracy and the inner circle, the last emperor and Russia with him hung over the void.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 29 August 2021 04: 19
    +5
    Yes, the face from the photo is not very similar to that played by the actor Shakurov in the TV series "White Guard".
    But do you know what struck me during my stay in Kiev?
    They even dedicated a mural to Skoropadsky! Not far from the train station. Well drawn ...
    For what?!!! That he ran cowardly, leaving ... everyone? !!!!

    Something I did not understand in History, probably ...
    1. Peak
      Peak 29 August 2021 04: 34
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Something I did not understand in History, probably ...


      It is enough to understand that History only meekly fixes events, without being distracted by morality.

      And the moral is simple (and the author directly pointed to it), which is for the beginning of the XNUMXth century for the history of Ingushetia, for its end during the USSR:


      The fact is that everyone wanted to become tsars-empire, and then - what came to hand.


      It is that then, from 1917 to 1923, they tried to tear the country to pieces - "to reign", as in 1991 ...

      But, King Solomon once spoke - "There is a time to scatter stones, and there is a time to collect them" , and therefore the "hetmans from the circus" and their "independence" have no future.
      1. Peak
        Peak 29 August 2021 04: 47
        +29
        Once upon a time, a familiar Afghan veteran from Ukraine, "under a glass of tea" uttered:

        - "Do you know what xoxly (not Ukrainians ! stop No. ) are different from you? The fact that you are proud of your Heroes, and they are Traitors ..."

        This, perhaps, says a lot Yes if not all.
        1. Peak
          Peak 29 August 2021 05: 09
          +6
          MI Bulgakov, the novel "The White Guard", a quote from the work on the election of Hetman Skoropadsky (to make it clear why the "hetman from the circus" :

          In April the eighteenth, at Easter, matte electric balls hummed merrily in the circus and it was black up to the dome with people. Talberg stood on the stage in a cheerful, fighting column and kept count of hands - the cap for trousers, there will be Ukraine, but Ukraine is "hetman", - they chose the "hetman of all Ukraine" ... for some strange mockery of fate and history, his election, which took place in April of the famous years, happened in the circus. For future historians, this is likely to provide ample material for humor.


          And "remake"in style -"under Bulgakov"about the current hetman of Ukraine:

          “In a child-sized camouflage with a“ bloody lining ”, in a“ chest armor ”and a helmet sitting funny on his head, in small shuffling dashes in the early morning of the fourteenth of the spring month of Nisan, Procurator of Ukraine Volodymyr Pontovity ran out to the line between the two wings of Yarosh the Great's dugout ... And what? And nothing: he ran, said that he was “not a sucker,” and returned to the hated city ”(V. Masks,“ Lie at the bottom in Yershalaim ”).
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 29 August 2021 09: 45
            +4
            Quote: PiK
            Procurator of Ukraine Volodymyr Pontovity
            Zelensky, in the position of president, with his mind cannot rise above the director of the circus, where he is up to the procurator.
          2. S. Viktorovich
            S. Viktorovich 29 August 2021 18: 16
            0
            Alas, it is true.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 29 August 2021 05: 27
          +14
          Good morning!
          But this is scary. To be proud of the CHECKERS? hi
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 29 August 2021 05: 38
            +5
            But it's true. Fearfully. But we have such a difficult history that there are enough heroes and traitors. And there are even more forgotten heroes.
          2. Peak
            Peak 29 August 2021 05: 48
            0
            Quote: Phil77
            But this is scary. To be proud of the CHECKERS?


            The insane, perhaps that is not stale. The madmen do not know the sense of danger and fear.

            But to the ENVIRONMENT ...
            1. Peak
              Peak 29 August 2021 05: 56
              +4
              Quote: from article
              German bayonets - they are German bayonets, today there are, and tomorrow ...


              Bulgakov, his "White Guard", in relation to modern events in Ukraine can be quoted endlessly Yes

              It's over. The Germans are leaving Ukraine. So, it means - one to run, and the other to meet new, amazing, uninvited guests in the City. And, therefore, someone will have to die. Those who run will not die, who will die?
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 10
                +6
                Dear friend, Bulgakov fits well into today's Russia, no? Shvonders are in power. wink
                1. Peak
                  Peak 29 August 2021 06: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Phil77
                  Dear friend, Bulgakov fits well into today's Russia, no? Shvonders are in power.


                  Yes, this is so, Bulgakov was in general, phenomenally observant and perspicacious, but at the moment I am ready to discuss exclusively the topic set by the article.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 18
                    -3
                    I agree. But not in everything! There are a lot of "skeletons in the closet" too. Best regards! Sergey. hi
                2. Lech from Android.
                  Lech from Android. 29 August 2021 07: 03
                  +4
                  Are there Sharikovs in the State Duma and the Government? smile
          3. Gardamir
            Gardamir 29 August 2021 06: 01
            +9
            Why not! Gorbachev was awarded. Monuments to Yeltsin, Kolchak, Solzhenitsyn. And when it was a hundred years ago, but now.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 05
              -5
              Here! That's right! And Mannerheim, or rather a plaque in memory of him in St. Petersburg!
              1. Peak
                Peak 29 August 2021 06: 16
                +4
                Quote: Phil77
                Here! That's right! And Mannerheim, or rather a plaque in memory of him in St. Petersburg!

                Can you indicate the address in St. Petersburg where you can see this board?
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 29 August 2021 06: 21
                  +7
                  And that's why there is no board, because suddenly the National Bolsheviks of Limonov rested their horns.
                  1. Peak
                    Peak 29 August 2021 06: 26
                    +6
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    And that's why there is no board, because suddenly the National Bolsheviks of Limonov rested their horns.

                    Quote: Phil77
                    Not anymore. They took it off, thank God. I was hanging on the Nevsky.


                    That's how interesting it comes out ... Sur.

                    We are talking about Nazism in Ukraine, "which somehow does not exist," and about a non-existent board, which "somehow is" what ...

                    I will note that the merit of the "Limonovites" that the board was dismantled is probably great, but I will also note that it would have been removed anyway, even without their participation.
                    Thank God, there are still enough reasonable and healthy forces in our society for this.
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 30
                      +6
                      This is not "sur". This is the reality of today. The mausoleum on Victory Day "curtain" is not a sur?
                      1. Peak
                        Peak 29 August 2021 06: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Phil77
                        This is not "sur". This is the reality of today. The mausoleum on the Victory Day "curtain" is not sur?

                        You know what ... I propose not to turn the History section into a platform for political showdowns, especially with a deviation from the topic at the flood level Yes
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 41
                        +5
                        This is by no means a "flood"! It's just that we are very connected! Our two countries, no matter how politicians want to separate them. Hence the comparison! "We" and "them". hi
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 46
                        +4
                        Sorry! But! The article itself suggests .... "disassembly"! No?
                      4. Phil77
                        Phil77 29 August 2021 07: 16
                        -1
                        Someone disagrees with us! "Minus" for both you and me. bully It happens....
                    2. sniperino
                      sniperino 29 August 2021 11: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: PiK
                      We are talking about Nazism in Ukraine, "which somehow does not exist," and about a non-existent board, which "somehow is"
                      This is a social world constructed by Postmodern engineers on the model of the microworld of quantum mechanics, which really exists only in the mode of the possible: as if it is and as if not at the same time, but with different probability densities, determined in theory by the Schrödinger equation for stationary states of a quantum particle, and in practice - repetition rate. And bots, being proletarians of mental labor, repeat tirelessly, though not disinterestedly. Full highlighted like.
                  2. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 29 August 2021 13: 41
                    +3
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    And that's why there is no board, because suddenly the National Bolsheviks of Limonov rested their horns.

                    If there were no nazbols, they would have been portrayed. The city authorities tried to get rid of the board, but in such a way that they did it completely strangers and not from our area ©. And all the conditions were created for this.
                    Or does someone believe that in the city center, next to the Big House (only 600 m away) and the Ambassadorial Quarter, a group of people can chop a board with an ax at night, with a clink and a crash, and quietly hide, remaining unknown? Yes, we have vandals who made inscriptions on the building of the Hermitage, stayed free for only 10 minutes. smile
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 21
                  +1
                  Not anymore. They took it off, thank God. I was hanging on the Nevsky.
                  1. Reklastik
                    Reklastik 30 August 2021 07: 02
                    +1
                    It would have been better if Medinsky had been removed along with this board.
                3. Phil77
                  Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 25
                  +6
                  She was transferred to Tsarskoe Selo, to a museum.
                4. Moore
                  Moore 29 August 2021 07: 10
                  +10
                  Quote: PiK

                  Can you indicate the address in St. Petersburg where you can see this board?

                  If you believe this https://rg.ru/2016/10/14/reg-szfo/memorialnaia-doska-mannergejmu-pereehala-v-carskoe-selo.html, then:
                  The memorial plaque to the Russian officer and Finnish Marshal Karl Gustav Mannerheim, dismantled in St. Petersburg, was transported to the War Chamber Museum of the First World War in Tsarskoye Selo.
                  They say that there she is exactly in the form in which she was filmed - doused with paint, fired at and chopped up - as a symbol of the modern multidirectional opinions. I ought to go and see.
                  But the fact that the attempt to install it in St. Petersburg was covered by the presence of a whole federal minister and a whole deputy prime minister cannot be deleted from history ...
                5. Old electrician
                  Old electrician 30 August 2021 07: 58
                  -1

                  Former Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation (from March 28, 2001 to February 15, 2007), permanent member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, full holder of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, current state adviser of the Russian Federation, 1st class, retired colonel-general, Chairman of the Board of Trustees Council of the Russian Military Historical Society S. B. Ivanov at the opening of a memorial plaque to the savior of Leningrad from its inhabitants K. Mannerheim.
              2. SERGE ANT
                SERGE ANT 29 August 2021 06: 17
                +15
                There is no one to compare the traitor with and with nothing. I think that even a typhoid louse would be offended by comparison with a traitor.

                Maxim Gorky (Alexey Maximovich Peshkov)
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 20
                  0
                  Kurbsky, who is he? hi
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 29 August 2021 09: 04
                    0
                    Not exactly expressed. So who is he-Kurbsky? Hero? Traitor? Vlasov? Krasnov? Generals of the White Army? How easy is it for us to judge the personalities who left a mark on history from the position of today. And if we try to plunge into yesterday’s day, eh? time? At that difficult time? Brother goes to brother! And, alas, it was!
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 29 August 2021 09: 23
                      +3
                      Not exactly put it. So who is he-Kurbsky? Hero? Traitor? Vlasov? Krasnov? Generals of the White Army?

                      He is Solzhenitsin and Vlasov in one bottle.
              3. Xlor
                Xlor 29 August 2021 11: 10
                +5
                Mannerheim, or rather a plaque in memory of him

                Let's also install a plaque of honor for A. Rosenberg on the bas-relief of the Bauman Technical School. He studied there. In memory of him ...
        3. Sergey_16
          Sergey_16 29 August 2021 06: 22
          +4
          Agree. Agree.
        4. Basil50
          Basil50 29 August 2021 08: 20
          +4
          PiKu
          Bitter, of course, but in fact the Afghan veteran is right.
          The Nazis do not have heroes. The ideologies of the Nazis do not imply any moral and ethical standards, everything * grows * there from the satisfaction of primitive animal urges. Although attempts to cover up the animal essence are being made today. There are even some sort of figures from science who almost * scientifically * justify the parasitic ideas of Nazism.
        5. avia12005
          avia12005 29 August 2021 15: 04
          +1
          I would say more precisely. Not just traitors, but also losers and defeatists at the same time drinks
    2. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 29 August 2021 08: 04
      +4
      For what?!!! That he ran cowardly, leaving ... everyone? !!!!

      For wanting to secede!
      And live independently, "not feeding" the whole Empire! ...
      And the fact that the Empire, they all gathered into a single whole and protected, they did not understand ...
      In other matters, as it is now.
      1. Avior
        Avior 29 August 2021 09: 15
        +3
        If, after reading the article, you get the impression that he wanted to separate, it is wrong.
        Skoropadsky was a supporter of a united Russia.
        His actions were generally dictated by the struggle against the Bolsheviks, and not by the desire to secede from Ukraine.
        1. deddem
          deddem 31 August 2021 20: 53
          -1
          That is why it is known who even before February signed the decrees on the creation of national Ukrainian units.
          And then we know who even before October - about the recreation of the Finnish shot and about the Latvian units.
          Plus the guarantee of the reconstruction of the Polshchi.
          1. Avior
            Avior 31 August 2021 21: 41
            0
            And who? Kornilov?
            Until February what year? 1918?
            On July 19, he took the top post - was appointed the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. Before accepting this position, he stipulated the conditions on which he would agree to do so - one of such conditions was the implementation of the army reorganization program.

            In August 1917, at the suggestion of L. G. Kornilov, Skoropadsky began to "Ukrainize" his corps. For reorganization, the corps was transferred to the Medzhybizh district. Russian soldiers and officers were transferred to the 41st AK, and in their place were taken from other parts of the front soldiers and officers - Ukrainians.

            Upon completion, the 34th AK was renamed the 1st Ukrainian Corps, which Skoropadsky himself continued to command.
    3. Eug
      Eug 29 August 2021 13: 23
      0
      Most likely, the mural was created not by the descendants of those whom he abandoned, but of those to whom he opened the way to power ...
    4. Boris Petrov-Vodkin
      Boris Petrov-Vodkin 29 August 2021 13: 36
      0
      Even so.
      But "your"
    5. ja-ja-vw
      ja-ja-vw 30 August 2021 21: 27
      -2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But do you know what struck me during my stay in Kiev?

      When were you? For a long time? Or hope?
      How is it there? Is it even possible to speak Russian?
    6. lukewarm
      lukewarm 31 August 2021 12: 20
      -1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      For what?!!!

      winked Not for what, but why. Because there are no other well-known carriers of the idea. All achievements are part of Russia. Either long BEFORE, or already with the Reds. It is not only the Ukrainians who commit this sin. From the same series, a film about Kolchak, a plaque to Mannerheim. Having saved up some money, the authorities turned to the "idea". And as it turned out, there are not many ideas: either red or such.
    7. TANKISTONE
      TANKISTONE 1 September 2021 15: 25
      0
      Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius)] Something I did not understand in History, probably ...
      "Ukraine is a country of contrasts". There, along with the memory of the Soviet era, there is a "new" memory:

    8. kafa
      kafa 5 September 2021 16: 05
      0
      Shakurov is an actor. And an actor by the nature of his profession will play at least Christ, even Judas.
      And if an actor played a god, then the actor is not a god, and God may not be like an actor.
  2. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 29 August 2021 04: 47
    +3
    Skoropadsky is stupid, like the whole history of Ukraine. Always rushing about. Strong only in service.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 29 August 2021 05: 38
      +3
      He is not the first, nor is he the last. History, alas. The history of personalities
    2. Kayuk
      Kayuk 30 August 2021 20: 13
      +1
      Skoropadsky is stupid, like the whole history of Ukraine. Always rushing about. Strong only in service.

      Well said. Especially in the photo with the Kaiser. One of his stances is worth something ... laughing
      How disgusting it looks from the outside ...
  3. Xlor
    Xlor 29 August 2021 05: 37
    -3
    Quote: Phil77
    But this is scary. To be proud of the CHECKERS? hi

    There are no others in Ukraine ...
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 29 August 2021 05: 42
      +6
      This is if you add-on TODAY. But there was another. Where the Heroes of the Soviet Union were born and died!
      1. Xlor
        Xlor 29 August 2021 06: 28
        +3
        But there was another, where the Heroes of the Soviet Union were born and died!

        Exactly what it was! And now there are completely different "heroes" ...
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 36
          +2
          Do you personally think that the heroes have also "shifted" in official Russia? More precisely, there is an attempt to "shift" *, no?
      2. Xlor
        Xlor 29 August 2021 06: 46
        +4
        And now there are completely different "heroes" ...

        1. Phil77
          Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 50
          -1
          Oops! And why not on the "mov"? You can find such idiots here too. If there is a desire! laughing Do we have it?
          1. Peak
            Peak 29 August 2021 07: 07
            -1
            Quote: Phil77
            Oops! Why not on "Mov"?

            Just on the "mov" Yes Them "Е" ,this is ours "Э".

            They have the inscription "GangsЭra ", if you translate ...
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 29 August 2021 08: 39
              +1
              Translate ... But what about "our hero"? laughing
              1. Avior
                Avior 29 August 2021 09: 19
                0
                Ukrainian E reads like Russian E.
                The letter Є is used to denote Russian E in Ukrainian.
              2. Peak
                Peak 29 August 2021 15: 36
                0
                Quote: Phil77
                Translate ... But what about "our hero"?


                And this is not our "hero" but their "hero", which reads like - "gЭRoy".
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 29 August 2021 08: 53
              +3
              You know, you know, when we argue about Ukraine ... we argue about ourselves. Think about it, and then "minus". This is the former outskirts of the Russian Empire, the USSR. Do you want to live on your own? An attempt is not torture. Will it turn out, no? It's up to them! But the fact that we had a lot in common yesterday, today and tomorrow. Well, there is. is it, no? Time, time and history will decide everything. With us? Without us? It's time ...
              Respectfully to all, Sergey. hi
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 29 August 2021 07: 09
            0
            Come on! When did we write this - * Bandera "? There was always * Bandera * and his creatures.
            1. Peak
              Peak 29 August 2021 15: 37
              0
              Quote: Phil77
              Come on! When did we write this - * Bandera "? There was always * Bandera * and his creatures.

              And speech not about us , about them. , about their move.
          3. Xlor
            Xlor 29 August 2021 11: 13
            +2
            Quote: Phil77
            You can find such idiots here too laughing And we have it

            It’s not all about the assholes here, but about their number per capita ...
          4. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 29 August 2021 14: 24
            +4
            Quote: Phil77
            You can find such idiots here too.

            You can find such idiots everywhere! But not everywhere they are held in high esteem. In ukraYnya in high esteem.
        2. Luminman
          Luminman 29 August 2021 07: 18
          +4
          Quote: Xlor
          And now there are completely different "heroes" ...


          What a spiritualized and intelligent person!
          Probably university professors!
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 29 August 2021 07: 24
            +4
            Well, probably it is worth recalling the 90s, no?

            Not professors at all? laughing
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 29 August 2021 08: 37
              +1
              Are the professors ashamed? Or not professors? For the nineties? Hence the * - *? laughing
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 29 August 2021 06: 02
      +1
      There are others. But they are in the minority and forgotten. The current national ideology of Ukraine is the ideology of servility and servitude.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 16
        -1
        I will add again. OFFICIAL! But are there really few families in Ukraine, whose grandfathers fought for the country with the proud name of the USSR? hi
        1. Avior
          Avior 29 August 2021 09: 26
          -2
          ... Again, I will add. OFFICIAL! But are there really few families in Ukraine, whose grandfathers fought for a country with a proud name, the USSR?

          More than officially respected



          1. Avior
            Avior 29 August 2021 12: 33
            0
            It’s even interesting, which of the miners Kozhedub got up across his throat?
            Sick people.....:((
            1. avia12005
              avia12005 29 August 2021 16: 20
              -1

              Well, here's a photo for you, taken in the Feodosia Fortress in 2009? Crimea is Ukraine. And an American jeep of the Second World War, which could not have been there in any way during the liberation of Feodosia.

              It was you who officially appointed the imperial Russian governor "Slobodsky".

              And the cherry on the cake - this is so, in the language and language of the great white leaders is called Heroes of Stalingrad Avenue in Kharkov. Sick people...
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 29 August 2021 13: 12
            -1
            Quote: Avior
            More than officially respected
            The star on the badge and the awards to the hero were not cut off due to an oversight of the decommunisers only thanks to the euphonious Natsik of his surname. Would be some kind of Ivanov, they would have mocked and handed over to acceptance a long time ago.
            1. Avior
              Avior 29 August 2021 14: 20
              -3
              I hope tomorrow we will not hear this fiction on Channel One as a reality. Marked - according to media reports, as usual
              Here, it seems, the competition is going on - who will invent a more monstrous lie. Well, so that they would rather believe ....: (((
          3. aglet
            aglet 29 August 2021 22: 08
            0
            he was officially recognized as a Ukrainian, and a soldier of the Ukrainian army, fighting with Germany on its own, that's all. he is not a hero of the ussr, he is a hero of ukraine
            this is me about the leatherback who didn’t understand
            1. Avior
              Avior 30 August 2021 07: 26
              +1
              And when was he recognized as not a Ukrainian?

              a warrior of the Ukrainian army, fighting with Germany independently, that's all.

              Do you always have such a wild fantasy?
              he is not a hero of the ussr, he is a hero of ukraine

              The Hero of Ukraine is Berest, Bereznyak or Shapiro - famous honored personalities who never received the title of GSS
              1. aglet
                aglet 30 August 2021 08: 01
                0
                "And when was he recognized as not a Ukrainian?"
                he was always Ukrainian, but it didn’t stick out like it does now. he was, first of all, a Soviet citizen, and then a Ukrainian.
                "Do you always have such a wild fantasy?"
                it's not for me, it's for modern Ukronazis
                1. Avior
                  Avior 30 August 2021 08: 14
                  +1
                  What then does your phrase mean?
                  he was officially recognized as Ukrainian

                  ?
                  If he was always recognized as a Ukrainian, what is official, what is not official?
                  And about the fact that now in Ukraine there is a special attitude towards him, it is so obvious and natural, it is always the case. In Kazakhstan and in all other former Soviet republics, they first of all mention their own people, this is natural.
                  And therefore it is understandable why Berest or Shapiro became the Hero of Ukraine, but did not become the Hero of Russia or the USSR, and why suddenly, instead of Bereznyak, Botyan suddenly became Major Vikhr and Hero of Russia - simply by the fact of his residence.
                  No wonder, everything is natural.
                  1. Bobrovsky
                    Bobrovsky 6 September 2021 19: 12
                    0
                    Major "Whirlwind" is written from Bereznyak and his work. But it was not he who saved Krakow, but Botian. Without any shooting and other heroism. He persuaded a Pole who worked for the Germans, who were carrying a large amount of explosives into the cellars of an ancient castle, to carry and put a clockwork mine between the boxes with a thick mine. All reserves of explosives were fucking so that a huge pit remained in the castle. There was simply nothing to blow up Krakow.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 6 September 2021 20: 05
                      0
                      This is a modern myth, sewn with white thread.
                      Instead of Bereznyak, who lives in Kiev, it was required to find a new hero living in Russia, and he was found.
                      Botyan's group blew up an ammunition depot located in the ancient Jagiellonian castle, a pearl of architecture, located a hundred kilometers from Krakow.
                      The castle was blown up on 18 January. And on the same day,
                      On January 18, 1945, the troops of the 1st Ukrainian Front entered Krakow.
                      It is clear that the Germans could not have delivered even explosives from a castle located at a considerable distance from Krakow in one day, let alone mine.
                      hi
                2. jolin
                  jolin 7 September 2021 08: 57
                  0
                  If dad and mom are Little Russians, who will the baby be by nationality?
        2. Luminman
          Luminman 29 August 2021 11: 26
          +1
          Quote: Phil77
          But are there really few families in Ukraine, whose grandfathers fought for the country with the proud name of the USSR? hi

          But, no less families in Ukraine, whose grandfathers and great-grandfathers wore SS uniforms and dug caches in the forests!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 29 August 2021 15: 21
            +3
            The Vlasovites did not wear the SS uniform, but because of this they were not lesser scoundrels.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 August 2021 08: 08
      +4
      There are no others in Ukraine
      Kovpak? Pokryshkin? Paton? The list is huge. For me, Ukraine is a part of Russia. And you are glad that Russia has become smaller.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 29 August 2021 08: 35
        0
        You know, on YouTube there is a wonderful video "Oh, it's not evening, it's not evening" based on the "White Guard". If you have time, take a look. You will not regret it, because? I can not.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 29 August 2021 14: 11
          +1
          Quote: Phil77
          You know, on YouTube there is a wonderful video "Oh, it's not evening, then it's not evening" based on "The White Guard". If you have time, take a look.

          Is he?
  4. north 2
    north 2 29 August 2021 06: 34
    +2
    But the article is actually a synopsis of an article from RT Russia Today dated December 14, 2017 ... Even the photos are identical. And I would like from the author of his own thoughts ...
    But since the article begins with a phrase from the "White Guard", then I will allow myself to express my opinions as to why, in my opinion, the White Army lost to the Red Army. Yes, because it lost because in the White Army there were hundreds of thousands of people like Skoropadsky, Talbegr, Shervinsky, and there were only a few people like Myshlaevsky, Studzinsky and Aleksey Turbin. By the way, in life and not in the film, and that was enough when there are only a few. how Myshlaevskiy, Studzinki or Aleksey Turbin went over to the side of the Red Army. These units with the people and defeated these thousands without the people ...
    But Skoropadsky was first of all a Russian general, and only then a Ukrainian military and political figure ...
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 29 August 2021 06: 44
      0
      Bravo! Bravo, buddy !!!! good
    2. Unknown
      Unknown 29 August 2021 09: 45
      -1
      Quote: north 2
      But since the article begins with a phrase from the "White Guard", I will allow myself to express my opinion as to why, in my opinion, the White Army lost to the Red Army. Yes, because it lost because in the White Army there were hundreds of thousands of people like Skoropadsky, Talbegr, Shervinsky, and there were only a few people like Myshlaevsky, Studzinsky and Aleksey Turbin. By the way, in life and not in the film, and that was enough when there are only a few. how Myshlaevskiy, Studzinki or Aleksey Turbin went over to the side of the Red Army. These units are with the people and have broken these thousands without the people ..

      Everything is correct, correctly noted. I will allow myself to lead. another excerpt, though not from the "White Guard", but from the "Days of the Turbins" ........ Myshlaevsky. So I'll let my feet rub with vodka! Three by hand. It hurts! .. It hurts! .. Easier.

      Nikolka. Tc ... tc ... how the captain froze.

      Elena (appears with a robe and shoes). Now in his bathroom. On! Eh poor fellow!

      Myshlaevsky. May God grant you health, Helen, as well as wealth. Give me some more vodka! (Drinks.)

      Alexey. Take off his jacket. (They help Myshlaevsky to change his clothes.)

      Nikolka. What's warmed up, captain?

      Myshlaevsky. It became easier.

      Nikolka. Tell me what is going on under the Tavern?

      Myshlaevsky. Snowstorm under the Tavern. That's what's in there. And I would have this blizzard, frost, the Germans, scoundrels and Petliura ...

      Alexey. Why, I don’t understand, they drove you to the Tavern?

      Myshlaevsky. And the peasants are still there under the Tavern. These are the very cursed God-bearers, the works of Mr. Dostoevsky.

      Nikolka. Oh really? And in the newspapers they write that the peasants are on the Hetman's side.

      Myshlaevsky. What are you, cadet, poking the newspapers at me? I would hang all this newspaper trash of yours on one bitch! This morning, personally, on reconnaissance, I ran into one grandfather and asked: "Where are your lads? The village has definitely died out." But he didn’t blindly see that I had epaulettes under my head and replied: "Wuxi was beaten up to Petliura." How exactly, all the same, Bulgakov described that time, very similar to the present.
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 29 August 2021 10: 05
      0
      Quote: north 2
      There were only a few of the White Army such as Myshlaevsky, Studzinsky and Alexei Turbin. By the way, in life and not in the film, and that was enough when there are only a few. how Myshlaevsky, Studzinki or Alexei Turbin went over to the side of the Red Army. These units are with the people and have broken these thousands without the people ..

      The Russian Volunteer Army, mainly, consisted of Alekseev and Nikitok Turbins, Myshlaevsky, Malyshev: high school students, students, cadets (the color and pride of Novorossiya) made up half of the army, as well as military officers and front-line generals and soldiers of the shock units of the death of the PMV.


      here they are - real turbines

      The people did NOT participate in the Civil War (as many as 5% of the population took part in it), so no one has any right to say that the "people" won in it.

      The people had their say in the elections to the US, which the "winners" of the Civil War were shamefully losing.

      Therefore, the Bolsheviks and feared deathly popular elections and they never carried out them, but they banned parties, freedom of speech and assembly, for they knew that they would be thrown out.

      In the Red Army, there were not many ideological turbines and carts, the bulk of them were conscripted forcibly, under the blackmail of starvation and repression of the family (under the new regime, there was a wild hunger with cannibalism and absolute unemployment), but they were also destroyed, mainly in the 1930s.

      The White Army did not have even a tenth of the resources that were captured by the Bolsheviks who had served in the World War in the rear and in Switzerland, while the future Whites were fighting at the front with the invaders.
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 29 August 2021 13: 11
        +1
        The people did NOT participate in the Civil War (as many as 5% of the population took part in it), so no one has any right to say that the "people" won in it.
        - "Only I have the right to speak!" (c) Olgovich laughing
        those. - Did the Red Army consist of "good elves"? Or reptilians? wassat what
    4. Looking for
      Looking for 29 August 2021 14: 44
      +2
      So Dudayev was first of all a Soviet general, and only then a Chechen separatist. And Sakharov was at first a Soviet scientist, and only then a Jew-Russophobe.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 31 August 2021 17: 22
        +1
        Sakharov is Russian. On the paternal side, all are Russian. Both the father and the paternal grandfather are famous people. Maternal Russian-Greek roots. Sakharov's maternal grandfather, A.S. Sophiano, was a lieutenant general of the imperial army. There were no Jews among Sakharov's ancestors. His second wife was Jewish by mother and Armenian by father, Elena Bonner. There were no common children. And the first wife was Russian, three children in common with Sakharov.
  5. Alexander Trebuntsev
    Alexander Trebuntsev 29 August 2021 10: 32
    +3
    On the main page of the site it is written "I barely became ..." Well, at least a little more literate.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 29 August 2021 10: 39
      +2
      Well, at least a little more literate.

      And Kolchak was not executed in Omsk
  6. Luminman
    Luminman 29 August 2021 11: 35
    +2
    Quote: Gardamir
    For me, Ukraine is a part of Russia

    For Russia, Ukraine is a boil. And if ever it was a part of it, it was only on paper. Start reading with Shevchenko and everything will become clear

    Quote: Gardamir
    Kovpak? Pokryshkin? Paton? The list is huge

    Bandera, Melnik, Konovalets, Shukhevych. The list is also huge, right up to Kuchma, who wrote the book "Ukraine is not Russia", where he expressed truly fraternal feelings for Russia
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 31 August 2021 17: 26
      +1
      Odessa, Yekaterinospav, Kharkov, Yuzovka (Donetsk) and in general everything that before the revolution was called Novorossiya and Slobozhanshchina never was a boil. Plus, part of the territory belonged to the Don Army Region. The Bolsheviks did not have to create an enlarged Ukraine.
  7. Xlor
    Xlor 29 August 2021 11: 44
    -2
    Quote: Avior

    More than officially respected




    Nothing, soon they will be decommunized too! Not all at once ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 29 August 2021 13: 07
      -2
      You didn't like Kozhedub so much that you put a minus?
  8. Silhouette
    Silhouette 29 August 2021 14: 24
    +1
    A flat and primitive view of Skoropadsky from the author of this article. He did not even figure out who the "grain growers" were. Then, in the conditions of the beginning of the collapse of the empire, Skoropadsky acted according to the principle: if the process cannot be prevented, then he must be led. Russian General Grebenshchikov, who knew Skoropadsky well personally in his memoirs, wrote: “From all Skoropadsky’s conversations, it was possible to understand that his main task was to save Ukraine from Bolshevism, which it would never have been able to avoid if it had not been isolated from Soviet Russia, to until it becomes a great real Russia again. Of course, Skoropadsky did not have any "independent" ideas, and nothing in his words jarred about the Russian feeling. "
    And again: "... taking me aside, Skoropadsky again expressed his regret that many smart people he knew did not dare to take up the work of restoring state order in Ukraine. Apparently Skoropadsky himself was burdened by those people who surrounded him from the first day of the hetman. During my joint service with Skoropadsky during the war, I became attached to him. He was an excellent military commander, caring for the troops entrusted to him, very friendly to his subordinates. His only drawback was that he was sometimes fussy, but with the beginning of the battle he became completely calm, in the most difficult moments I always made certain decisions, perfectly appreciated the created situation, while showing exemplary personal courage. For almost a year I served in direct communication with him and I can honestly say that I could never reproach him for any intrigues. Skoropadsky was kind and deeply honest. Skoropadsky of his own children, despite his He raised them so that they could live without these means, having received an excellent education and getting used to a serious, not empty social life. His ambition was peculiar. He would not be satisfied with just achieving a certain brilliant position, he had to realize that in this or that post he was achieving certain results. It is unlikely that an ordinary ambitious person would dream of being appointed, albeit an honorary, guardian of an orphanage. But everything that surrounded him did not inspire confidence, he was alone. I did not see a single person near him on whom he could fully rely in difficult times in his administrative and political activities "
  9. Xlor
    Xlor 29 August 2021 14: 44
    +2
    You didn't like Kozhedub so much

    I like Kozhedub! I do not like the fact that the owners of the "correct" consciousness will soon "decommunize" it ...
  10. paco.soto
    paco.soto 29 August 2021 15: 53
    0
    I apologize for the offtopic: according to the title photo, his right eye is severely injured, without scars on his face. This is a disability in any army in the world.
  11. S. Viktorovich
    S. Viktorovich 29 August 2021 18: 30
    -2
    Bulgakov described Skoropadsky well.
    The attitude towards him is clearly biased, but it was in line with the moment.
  12. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 29 August 2021 21: 05
    +1
    Russia "swayed" because there were a lot of people willing to download it. It was the tsarist generals who were at the head of this merry rocking chair. They thought that by removing the tsar and abolishing the autocracy, they would quickly and beautifully build a new country. They will make a few speeches, publish a number of ingenious laws, and complete beauty will come ... And at the same time, as if by chance, their pocket will get better. Doesn't it remind anyone?
    When it began to crumble and fall apart, it became clear in detail that these people had no idea what they were doing. They did not understand what they were destroying, nor how to build. And they also did not know what to build. I bend ...
  13. Evil troll
    Evil troll 30 August 2021 14: 04
    0
    Rada is a group of marginalized people who do not enjoy authority and cannot work.

    Some things never change...
  14. isv000
    isv000 30 August 2021 14: 17
    0
    and in parallel, in the Kiev circus, by a certain congress of grain growers, Skoropadsky was elected hetman

    As a result, as soon as everything collapsed in Germany, Skoropadsky instantly remembered that he was Russian, urging in his letter of October 24 to build the Russian Federation.

    On December 14, 1918, Skoropadsky fled, leaving his supporters to feed the rioting peasants.

    Nothing is new under the Moon - Ukraine, like Afghanistan - the wheel of history is constantly turning in these places. And the circus "handlers" are nothing new. One hope for the wheel is that it has already turned and the current one will also knock down, leaving behind a country ready to recover ... winked
  15. geologist
    geologist 5 September 2021 12: 26
    0
    Unfortunately, Skoropadsky is close to me as a politician. I lived quite happily in the USSR and did not at all accept the criticism coming from my relative, a representative of the scientific elite. When everyone fled from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and this happened about 1,5-2 years before its closure, I accepted 1000 applications to leave the party, drawing up all the appropriate protocols, considering it my duty to fulfill the will of the people. Then he left politics somewhat disappointed by his cowardice in production to engage in geology. I knew that a civil war would begin, there was no need for seven spans in the forehead, but I did not want to participate in it. And in history he has always admired the famous traitor, the representative of Athens, the magnificent commander and naval commander Alcibiades. This completely unprincipled and depraved handsome athlete has been my ideal since childhood.
  16. jolin
    jolin 7 September 2021 08: 54
    0
    Ukrainians are a political nation. (c) Zelensky.
    A political nation can only have political questions as national heroes ... ducks.