Some novelties of the Army-2021 forum: BMP-3 with BM "Berezhok" and submachine gun PPK-20 for pilots of the Russian Aerospace Forces

The international military-technical forum "Army-2021" has opened at the Patriot Exhibition Center. One of the novelties of the representative forum will be a new modification of a domestically produced infantry fighting vehicle. We are talking about the BMP-3 with the combat module (BM) "Berezhok".

This combat module was developed by specialists from the A.G. Shipunov Instrument Design Bureau.

It is noted that when using the new combat module, the appearance of the BMP-3 will undergo significant changes. At the same time, the installation of new equipment and weapons will not affect the overall and mass characteristics in terms of their compliance with floating armored vehicles.

_{In preparation for the Victory 2020 parade}

BM "Berezhok", which is already installed on one of the modifications of the BMP-2, includes an automatic grenade launcher system, a universal missile system and a control system weapons... In turn, the control system is equipped with a panoramic sight with a thermal imaging channel.

Among the new rifle items at the Army-2021 forum, the PPK-20 submachine gun was presented. This small arms was developed for the pilots of the Russian Aerospace Forces by the Kalashnikov group of companies. The submachine gun can be used as part of the emergency wearable supply. PPK-20 has a telescopic buttstock with adjustable length, a collimator sight, Picatinny rail, quick-detachable swivel. It can be equipped with a device for low-noise shooting.

The representative of the group of companies noted that after completing the analysis of the tests carried out, they are ready to start mass production of this weapon. Added that PPK-20 has the potential to enter foreign markets.

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[Maki Avellevich]

PP for pilots. the niche is narrow.
for crews of armored vehicles and police will not work?

[mark1]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

PP for pilots. the niche is rather low.

And isn't it too big for a pilot? And if not too big, then why is AKSU-74 worse (dimensions and weight seem to differ little)?

[carstorm 11]

Here and the cartridge is different and it is smaller. The stump will definitely lose.

[mark1]

What will he lose? In mass or quantity of wearable bq? Is this critical for the pilot? The power of the ammunition is higher. For me (never shot down, inexperienced, nepilot) AKSU and PM set is the best option

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

On the AKSU, you cannot screw the PBS and the ammunition load is less.

[PPD]

Pilots PBS?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: carstorm 11

Here and the cartridge is different and it is smaller

I have a question about the patron:
the Army adopted a pistol (Boa constrictor) chambered for 9x21, since the enemy for the Army is the troops of a foreign state, which are protected accordingly: body armor, helmets, etc. Therefore, a powerful cartridge is needed.
The Guard (former VVs) entered service with weapons chambered for 9x19, which is quite suitable for their tasks.
And in the Air Force, they take weapons chambered for 9x19, although their enemy will be the same as that of the army.
Why

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Bad_gr

cartridge 9x19

Quote: Bad_gr

cartridge 9x21

______ SPECIFICATIONS PPK-20
Overall length ----------------------- 698 mm
Barrel length ----------------------- 237,5 mm
Used cartridge ----------- 9x19 mm
Magazine capacity ----------------- 30 rounds
Sighting range --------- 200 m
Weight ------------------------------- 2,85 kg (with cartridges 3,65 kg)

_____ Characteristics SR.2 "Heather"
Length, mm ------------------------------ 603 with unfolded
--------------------------------------------- 367 folded stock
Barrel length, mm ------------------- 174
Cartridge -------------------------------- 9 × 21 mm (SP-10, SP-11, SP-12, SP-13)
Magazine capacity —---------------- 20/30 rounds
Sighting range, m ------- 200
Bullet muzzle velocity, m / s - 440 (SP-10) 415 (SP-11)
Weight, kg ------------------------------ 1,65 (with shop)
Principles of operation removal of powder gases, butterfly valve

[YOUR]

Before Udav, there was Gyurza and others based on it.
All weapons chambered for 9 * 21 are for special forces. Where do you see the use of Heather in the Army? The tasks are different and the weapon is appropriate.
Here is the answer.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: YOUR

All weapons chambered for 9 * 21 are for special forces.

You have outdated information. The "boa constrictor" (and therefore the cartridge 9x21) goes to the troops, not the specialists. And if we think logically, then the PP for the troops should be under the same cartridge, and not under 9x19.

[YOUR]

The information I have is not outdated, but the freshest to eat. There are also divisions in which the PM is. There is no weapon chambered for 9 * 21 even in the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps. They are gradually being rearmed on the PY.

[Bad_gr]

I admit I was a little misled. The Ministry of Defense began a massive purchase of the latest pistol, but the main bias is on specialists, although the same goes to the troops (combined arms with the 6P72 index, for the special forces with the 6P72-1 index)

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For the first time in modern history, the Ministry of Defense begins a massive purchase of Udav pistol systems. According to the plan, which Izvestia got acquainted with, almost 400 million rubles were allocated for the purchase of the first large batch of several tens of thousands of "trunks". "Boas" will go mainly into the armament of special forces and intelligence units. The novelty will also be received by ordinary military personnel - drivers, signalmen, logistics specialists. Experts note that the most important feature of the complex has become a powerful cartridge with an armor-piercing bullet and the ability to silently fire.

According to the procurement plan, which is at the disposal of Izvestia, the defense department purchases Udav pistols in two main versions: combined arms with an index 6P72 and special purpose 6P72-1. The kit of the latter includes an effective silencer and a laser designator. Deliveries of both versions will begin this year and should be completed by November 10, 2023. It is planned to spend 384 million rubles to purchase several tens of thousands of the newest "trunks".
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It is planned that the novelty will go into service with the soldiers of special forces and special operations. Also, some of the "trunks" in the combined-arms version will be delivered to the support units.

The Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the development of a new pistol complex with JSC TsNIITOCHMASH in 2014. The defense department allocated 150 million rubles for its creation. Trials of the "Boa" were officially completed in 2018. But the army did not immediately acquire a pistol - a small pilot batch of several dozen units was first tested for two years in the troops at the training grounds of the Western and Central military districts.

https://iz.ru/1167945/anton-lavrov-anna-cherepanova/udav-bolshoi-minoborony-nachalo-massovuiu-zakupku-noveishego-pistoleta

[YOUR]

Perhaps the reconnaissance will be armed. subdivisions. Why maybe, and you see how the rearmament of the AK-12 is going on. So in the Amur Region, only a reconnaissance company was rearmed on them and that's it. And so, by the way, the Army is here.
There is a great variety of equipment and weapons of new models, but ...

[YOUR]

With PPK-20 it is not clear at all. How can you pass off as a new regular upgrade. In principle, the same Vityaz SP (PP-19-01) with a new body kit, modified ergonomics.
By weight, it will be heavier. Weaker in terms of slaughter.

[Okolotochny]

I agree, the basis is the same "Vityaz", tuning-molding-shmolding.

[YOUR]

That's right, the same thing with the BMP-3. It turns out that with such a modernization, its firepower has decreased. BM "Berezhok" 30 mm cannon and 30 mm grenade launcher. The former has a 100 mm cannon, a twin gun with a 30 mm.
The bc included ATGMs fired from a cannon, in this one hung 4 missiles with small protection, which art. the shard will be sewn.
Some kind of dancing with tambourines around the bush.

[Per se.]

Quote: YOUR

The former has a 100 mm cannon, a twin gun with a 30 mm.

On BMP-3 "Bakhcha" would be preferable, but for "Berezhka" BMP-2 will do. Photos from the Army-2021 forum.

[Bad_gr]

Someone wants to screw up a good car. Why is this "Berezhok" better than "Bakhchi"? Yes, nothing, he is much weaker. Here on the BMP-2 it belongs, and the BMP-3, in terms of armament, would have been left alone. It would be better to add a panorama to the commander (on those BMP-3 where it is not installed). Was there a good idea for the BMP-3M, and where is it in the troops?

[Barberry25]

Well, in general, it is better to put 4 cornet + AGS + panoramic viewer as an addition to the Bakhche, And not instead of ... the firepower will be huge. Lol ... maybe even without the infantry)

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It looks like a banal reduction in price. They want to use a more successful chassis from the BMP-3 with a cheap module.

[riwas]

That's right, the same thing with the BMP-3. It turns out that with such a modernization, its firepower has decreased. BM "Berezhok" 30 mm cannon and 30 mm grenade launcher. The former has a 100 mm cannon, a twin gun with a 30 mm.
The bc included ATGMs fired from a cannon, in this one hung 4 missiles with small protection, which art. the shard will be sewn.

But I got the impression that a 100-mm grenade launcher and four "Cornets" on the sides will be added to the 30 mm cannon and the 30 mm cannon.

[YOUR]

What is easier. In the search engine BM Berezhok and compare with your opinion.

[Kalmar]

Quote: YOUR

By weight, it will be heavier. Weaker in terms of slaughter.

And how did tuning affect the slaughter?

[YOUR]

Absolutely nothing. This is a comparison with AKSU

[-Dmitry-]

Not too big.

And if not too big, then why is AKSU-74 worse (dimensions and weight seem to differ little)?

I understand that "Military Acceptance" is a rather specific program :), but there are answers to many of the questions asked here.


Including the firing range of the PPK-20 - even an unprepared shooter like the host of the program was able to hit a tall figure from 250 (!) M. In my opinion, a good option.

[hhurik]

Even from a small .22lr I can get 250 meters into a crow. It’s very simple - you lie down in the bushes at the edge of the field, attach the bipod and start to soak from the Ruger 10/22 in bursts over the flocks of birds that are poking around in the ground in the distance. The sound of the shot does not immediately reach them, they fired off the magazine at 25, smoked until the bullets reached them - here is the cover. Somewhere for 300-400 shots - there will definitely be a hit, do not go to the fortuneteller.

[-Dmitry-]

and from a small .22lr I can get into a crow 250 meters. It’s very simple - you lie down in the bushes at the edge of the field, attach the bipod and start to soak from the Ruger 10/22 in bursts over the flocks of birds that are poking around in the ground in the distance. The sound of the shot does not immediately reach them, they fired off the magazine at 25, smoked until the bullets reached them - here is the cover. Somewhere for 300-400 shots - there will definitely be a hit, do not go to the fortuneteller.

Quite a pathetic attempt at trolling.

From the first shots, hitting 200 and 250 m.

[hhurik]

Well, at least I have a small one in my possession, and a friend has a PPSh. Hunting. So we have fun, for fun. And you, I see - virtually everything is current, you get information exclusively from the inscriptions on the fence (pipe) and toys.
Especially from my shooting experience: at 250 meters to achieve a confident hit on a growth target with a 9x19 pistol cartridge is unscientific fantasy. But, of course, you can get in - if you shoot in that direction for a long time, it quickly tires you with its meaninglessness, and the prices of cartridges have risen recently. True, there is good news - the United States has announced a ban on the supply of 7,62x39 and 9x19 cartridges from Russia, due to which they may become cheaper in their historical homeland.

[-Dmitry-]

And you, I see - virtually everything is current, you get information exclusively from the inscriptions on the fence (pipe) and toys.

And you, I see, do not know the difference between a hunting weapon and a combat one. Well, the cartridges, respectively.

[hhurik]

Well, open my eyes to the differences in the ballistics of the Orthodox caliber in the PPSh-O and the uncivilized army of the time of the capture of Konigsberg.

[-Dmitry-]

Ok, there are quite a few changes in the fenced PPSh. But there is one BUT. Shooting from a PPSh at 200-250 in short bursts and single fire are two big differences. shooting comes from the rear sear. And if you don’t see the difference between firing a single one from the rear sear and firing from a modern PP from a closed bolt, then I don’t see any point in explaining anything further.

[hhurik]

He asked about ballistics - for some reason they started rubbing in about whispering and short bursts. I also don't see the point of communicating, Internet theorists are all the same, the schoolboys who grew up on shooters have divorced - and you can't count them.
Serious (end-to-end) truth of life: whoever is longer, more powerful and more penetrating is right.

[riwas]

The kit comes with a silencer, and for pilots behind enemy lines it is important not to draw attention.

[Zaurbek]

Berezhok is quite budgetary, I would also like a 35-40mm cannon and all this for my own Bmp3 turret

[Orange bigg]

Surely there will be a lot of interesting things.

. The Army Forum is being held for the seventh time and over the years has become one of the world's largest exhibitions in the field of weapons. Most of the companies that are part of the State Corporation Rostec traditionally participate in the event. This year they will demonstrate over 1000 exhibits, including more than 50 samples will be presented for the first time.

.One of the main premieres will be the export version of the automated complex of artillery and military reconnaissance "Penicillin" produced by the holding "Ruselectronics". This technique is capable of detecting the firing positions of enemy batteries by sound and coordinating the fire of its own guns.

The High-Precision Complexes holding will present a unique tablet for controlling artillery fire “Tablet-M-IR”. It will be installed on an armored car and will allow you to control guns equipped with automated guidance and fire of the ASUNO type. In addition, using the tablet, it will be possible to direct the Krasnopol-M2 and Kitolov-2M guided missiles. Also, the product was fully paired with drones, making it possible to observe the situation on the battlefield in real time.

The Avtomatika Concern will demonstrate the Pelena hardware and software complex in operation. This equipment allows you to create a convenient visual environment for monitoring and controlling equipment and engineering systems of various infrastructure facilities in cities.

The Russian Helicopters holding, in turn, will present the BAS-200 unmanned aerial vehicle, which can be used to solve various tasks: monitoring the area, delivering cargo, performing search and rescue and agricultural operations.

https://rostec.ru/news/rostekh-predstavit-na-armii-2021-svyshe-50-novinok/

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

We are still waiting for a 57-mm low-ballistic cannon, and here at least a 40-mm grenade launcher was installed, but that is not the case, it is still 30 mm.

[keeper03]

Modernization is a favorite phrase of the LADY, but as a result, nothing!

[Zaurbek]

With a 100 mm BMP3 gun, you need to do what the caliber loses its relevance to. The cornet has a good assortment of 150 mm rockets with different fillings ……

[lucul]

With a 100 mm BMP3 gun, what to do the caliber loses its relevance

Well, what is there to decide - a 57mm high ballistic cannon with remote detonation of shells solves all the problems of the BMP.
And when the BMP is built into a network-centric connection, for example, with external target designation from Thor (on the march), the same enemy UAVs will be greeted by a hail of 57mm shells with remote detonation from all BMPs in the unit.
Even a swarm of disposable drones will find it difficult to break through this density of fire.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: lucul

Well, what is there to decide - a 57mm high ballistic cannon with remote detonation of shells solves all the problems of the BMP.

She has no problem with weapons. And what prevents to make a remote detonation of a 100mm projectile?

[lucul]

She has no problem. And what prevents to make a remote detonation of a 100mm projectile?

Ammunition)))

[senima56]

PPK-20 in "new guise" looks much more advantageous in comparison with the previous version. The new butt and the fire control handle have already been unified with other Kalashnikov products. An interesting solution is a two-way switch for fire modes. I really hope that it will also be installed on the AK-12 (15).

[Sands Careers General]

At PPK-20, in order to start firing, you first need to unfold the butt? A strange decision.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Nothing strange, it allows you to reduce the size of the weapon, which is very important when transporting and carrying it. For the same pilots, it can be placed in a bag for ejection, which is then a backpack.

[Sands Careers General]

Why doesn't it fold to the left? The same ksyusha allows you to shoot with the stock folded and unfolded.
Here, judging by the video, it is unlikely. Kindly lay it out first, then shoot.

[-Dmitry-]

At PPK-20, in order to start firing, you first need to unfold the butt? A strange decision.

What's the point of shooting with a folded stock? Waste of BC. BUT if it is so vital to shoot with a folded stock, then you can shoot folded. This is not a civilian barrel - it has no blockage.
For emergency self-defense, there is a PLC in the unloading, and the PPK-20 is in the NAZ and it simply will not fit there with the butt unfolded. And the NAZ, in turn, is located in the ejection seat.

[Alexfly]

Rather as a consequence of the conversion from the civilian version - Saigi 9, they simply forgot to remove the lock.

[Chever]

In the course of the butt of the PPK-20 as in the AM-17