The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine denied the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to take urgent measures to prevent the dismissal of pilots

Not so long ago, "Voennoye Obozreniye" published a material in which it was told that the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (in other words, the Air Force of Ukraine) is facing a decrease in the number of professional pilots. Due to low funding, an increase in the volume of reporting without performing real flights and a number of other problems, military pilots prefer to switch to civilian life or to the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and arrange their lives without reference to the goals and objectives of the armed forces of Ukraine.

At the same time, the Ukrainian press published a letter from the command of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which spoke of the need to take immediate measures to prevent further outflow of flight personnel from the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, where the letter was sent, said that they would study the situation and give an appropriate answer. And now the answer is given. It is presented in a special release.

First, you need to submit a short list of proposals from the command of the Ukrainian Air Force. This is a "significant" increase in the monetary allowance of the flight crew, amendments to regulations regarding the volume of official documents, amendments to the Ukrainian Criminal Code in connection with plane crashes.

The response of the Ministry of Defense says that "the implementation of some points is impractical."

To date, a strange situation continues to develop in the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when the pay of military pilots for some reason is significantly lower than the pay of pilots in other power structures, including Aviation Ministry of Internal Affairs, Border Guard and National Guard.

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine said that "it is not yet possible to revise the parameters of monetary allowance and standards for reporting documentation." Thus, it refused to take urgent measures to prevent the dismissal of military pilots.

The Ukrainian press cites a statement from one of the pilots of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine:

The flight time is an hour, the time for writing summaries and reports, filling out the journals is three times more. As many more - hearing combat, operational tasks. So we "fly".

It is noted that a decrease in the number of pilots in the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces automatically leads to an increase in the load on the existing flight crew. It is indicated that for a number of military pilots the service time per day reaches 14 hours, but the bulk of this time is not at all flights and not even working out tasks on simulators. This is paperwork and "a superficial study of English-language NATO concepts."

Comments

[Victor_B]

Let’s teach English language language in a real way!
Instead of a ridden one ... (Which did not rest against anyone!)
And then I can't get rid of the god-loathing Muscovite ohalniki!

[Volkof]

The flight time is an hour, the time for writing summaries and reports, filling out the journals is three times longer.

This is a misinterpretation, more precisely, permissible for the announcement ...
And it sounds like this in the original:
The flight time is an hour, and they write 4 hours ... More precisely, they write it down! In ukroarmiya they are engaged in postscripts instead of flights, and private aircrews fly (they are carried) on the L-39 for 20 hours during 2 annual gatherings (10 each) with postscripts ... They receive flight rations and length of service for 20 such hours a year ...

[Eug]

In Soviet times, the minimum flight time per year was 41 hours, if less, they were removed from the allowance at the reactive rate. This is in the air defense IA. Therefore, the "especially honored", mainly the bosses and political officers, had a raid mainly on sparks - as they say, they "rolled" ...

[Volkof]

Everywhere it was in the IBA and BA ...

[Vyacheslav01]

All flew normally. 308 IAP. 472 IAP.

[Alexander Pseudonym]

The number of flyers in the Armed Forces is relatively small, but the rest have a large annual flight. More than the pilots of many NATO countries, in a few years the first American aircraft will be purchased, most likely F15 or F16. First 12 planes.
Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are training strikes against the superior forces of the advancing enemy and air battles. The task is to cause unacceptable damage to the attackers. They will not be able to stop the attacking enemy yet.

[Silver bullet]

Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are training strikes against the superior forces of the advancing enemy and air battles. The task is to cause unacceptable damage to the attackers. They will not be able to stop the attacking enemy yet.

Of course they cannot stop the achressor! Because people like you sit for days on "enemy" sites and "fight" on sofas. I would take it and go to the front, or at worst, dig a trench at the border! But no, like the rest of the room "generals" and "colonels" will "fight" here to the last drop of blood. Send an SMS for 5 hryvnia to buy a used tire from F-16.

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

Oh, and I had a lot of fun reading your thoughts - especially about buying American cars. Wanting doesn't mean having. In short, where is the loot in order to have these planes? Maybe you've never heard such a word "corruption"? and in the "nezalezhnaya" type of this good, above the visor of the cap.

[VORON538]

Someday, when the curators of Ukraine remember about it or they need it in a slightly different form, then they will give Ukraine a loan to buy aircraft. Ukraine will not see debt!

[Alexander Pseudonym]

That is money. It is not that expensive for the state.

[VORON538]

You don't even have money in Ukraine for the fence along the border, they sent people to dig a hole For the fleet, there is only enough money for rubber boats. For pilots there is no money for salaries and flights. From achievements, a tank was slapped, of course, on the basis of the Soviet one, which could not. So who will sell you planes without money? If only on debt, but for this the West must be ripe for a war with Russia. Although, you can still cut gas pipelines for metal and help out some money

[A009]

Have you read the article above?
There even pay an adequate salary "while there is no opportunity ..." and you're talking about new aircraft. Stupid.

[Shkworen]

Then why can't the state raise the salaries of pilots? :)

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

You say you have money? Don't make my hooves laugh - as one character from a famous cartoon used to say. For the state, speak inexpensively? Is the Ruin a state? The presence of a flag and a coat of arms (even that howling that is called an anthem) is not a state.

[Filxnumx]

That is money.

And everyone knows WHO they have

[Incvizitor]

The state is only in fact not there since 14 years old.

[Rostislav Prokopenko]

At the construction site, the geodetic was carried into the booth and the curious Uzbek climbed to look at the tacheometer.
He was then convinced for two hours that this was not a shaitan machine, but just a very clever calculator.
It’s easier for Ukrainians to fantasize - to change from Soviet cars to striped ones. But they will have to study for a very long time. And not even to learn, but to readjust reflexes and habits.

[Walking towards the light]

That's it. Exactly so. Reflexes and habits should be reconfigured by pilots during retraining.

[Eug]

The mattresses have a reverse indication of the position of the aircraft on the instruments - relative to that adopted in the USSR.

[Oleg Aviator]

Do not react to his comments. F16) or even cooler F15) .... Lyakhi are not able to maintain them in the summer state and here is a room warrior. Just ignore. So it will be better not to give food for breeding.

[HOMUT1430]

maybe it's about the "star" model?

[Walking towards the light]

Alexander, retraining a pilot from a MiG-29 to an F-15 or F-16 is bloody hemorrhoids. Everything is different. In general, everything, from the location of control devices to the ability to perform maneuvers and weapons. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Walking towards the light

to retrain a pilot from a MiG-29 to an F-15 or F-16 is bloody hemorrhoids.

This is actually not a great problem if there is no language problem: Americans have long and hard worked out the methods of retraining foreigners, it seems at Tuscon. The process is not fast, but worked out.
There is little left, to find some one and a half lard of money, and this is for the 16th. In a word, it looks more like another Wishlist ... when the Americans begin to invite 404 pilots to the Aviation Leadership Program, this is an unpleasant sign

[Walking towards the light]

There is a language problem, and not even among the pilots, but among the technical personnel serving the aircraft.

[Alexander Pseudonym]

I agree completely to retrain from a moment to f15 is difficult. But what to do?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Alexander Pseudonym

it's hard to retrain from moments to f15

I apologize wildly: do you seriously think that the 404 country will pull at least a dozen modern fighters? It's ridiculous to even talk about the F-15. It's time to go down to earth: the world does not revolve around 404 wishes - you have to pay for everything.
I would recommend referring to the experience of “European” newborn democracies - money in the morning, chairs in the evening. And where the Americans offer some kind of tangible help, ask the question Why? A little thought will find the answer; and you still have to pay. As an example, I will cite the RAI program that the Americans have been promoting since '94 for newcomers: airspace surveillance. And the equipment for each country was presented for a dozen Lyams ... and then good guys came and offered to buy the rest ... the same Romanians paid 5 Lyams for 117 radars. It's time already with your mind and at your own expense

[Alexander Pseudonym]

Americans don’t do anything for free, I agree.

[Graz]

12 American planes will be $ 1.3 billion, in any case, how much will the Bulgarians pay? Do you have that kind of money? I doubt very much

[Wahmister 1970]

200 lard hryvnia for the missile program up to 31 years
I won't tell you about the planes

[Graz]

What do you really want to pay with the Americans in hryvnia? do you think they will take?

[Wahmister 1970]

And here the States. Ze signed a priority national program for the development of the missile industry

[TermNachTer]

200 lard for space - this is another Wishlist of Kuev's fairytale clowns))) how much will be allocated in reality, and then also stolen - he only knows the type of patriarch Archalomey, who has now arrived in Kuev, also for a reason, he also needs to be given money)))

[Wahmister 1970]

Minuscule for space, the rest for high-precision ammunition, anti-ship missiles, air defense systems and multifunctional OTRK

[Alexander Pseudonym]

Unfortunately, I don’t have that kind of money, but I’m not the president of Ukraine either.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Alexander Pseudonym

Unfortunately, I don’t have that kind of money, but I’m not the president of Ukraine either.

Not the president of Ukraine, too, unfortunately?

[Alexander Pseudonym]

I live well in Russia.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Alexander Pseudonym

I live well in Russia.

God grant that! Otherwise I was thinking:

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alexander Pseudonym

I live well in Russia.

Did you manage to slip off to Russia?

[Brturin]

Quote: Alexander Pseudonym

but the rest have a large annual bloom. More than pilots in many NATO countries.

but in numbers it is possible, otherwise the search engine gives out - The average flight time on the crew of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2020 decreased by a third to 38 hours. Somehow with NATO ...

[sifgame]

funny by God and painful, with such rulers of aircraft you will not have your own at all. Your president is a comedian addict with delusions of grandeur. The pipe will rot as unnecessary, the main industries have already been destroyed, some are still resisting, but without the market and Russia's help, they will not go to the fortuneteller. ... Only lard, only lard is your lot. I read a lot of your comments and sometimes it seems to me that you are zelya))))) he is about the same raving - well, Crimea will never be Russian because he ate rapanas with sand there, never !. And yes, train strikes against the superior forces of the enemy, for significantly superior, for immeasurably superior. Who will give your decrepit Flashes and Dryers to take off, I will note the Soviet production, the pilots are probably crumpled when they sit in the cockpit, all the Russian words on the dashboard have been translated into MOV? Yes, you yourself there right on the airfields and then make them unusable by drunk.

[Alexander Pseudonym]

You watch too much TV

[sifgame]

I have not had a TV for 2 years))))

[Alexander Pseudonym]

in Kiev, about 70 percent speak Russian, but the majority already consider themselves to be Ukrainians. There is no hatred for the Russian language.

[sifgame]

Probably what? The policy of the country's leadership is aimed at burning out everything Russian with a hot iron. Everything goes to the way of the Tribaltic.

[boris epstein]

"There is no hatred for the Russian language."
Yes. Wouldn't it be better for you to listen to Stepan Khmara, Nitsoy, Farion, Tyagnibok, Ostap Drozdov, or visit the children's camps of the Right Sector? In Verkhovna Zrada, the microphone for Russian-speaking deputies is periodically turned off.

[TermNachTer]

The real people of Kiev, and not the people of Kuev, who came in large numbers from Ragulistan, believe that "Kiev is the mother of Russian cities."

[TermNachTer]

Lard and meat, mostly already imported - Poland and Russia. Even the strategic product, lard, is also purchased from Russia. Banderostatistical data - in 1989 - 28 million heads of cattle, in 2020 - 3 million heads. I haven't looked at pigs, but I think the ratio is somewhere the same)))

[mikstepanenko]

Lard is mainly imported from Poland.

[fruc]

It is indicated that for a number of military pilots the service time per day reaches 14 hours ...

It's good if their flights take place in a dream and in reality, the Pilot is asleep, and the service goes on.

[suhorukofal]

Given the harsh realities, they occur mainly on paper, by means of write-offs.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Keyword- ,, will be ,,)

[sifgame]

Immediately presented the news, a drunken ensign on his rusty dozen (damn again hatefully Russian) accidentally rammed the F-35, which led to the complete destruction of the latter, the ensign himself remained unharmed, only received facial hematomas of unknown origin)))

[BABAY22]

Quote: Alexander Pseudonym

The number of flyers in the Armed Forces is relatively small, but the rest have a large annual flight.

Do not make people laugh.
In open sources, your flight time is 50 hours a year.
For comparison:
USA> 200 hours
Taiwan 190 hours
RF> 100 hours
Although the average plaque is certainly the same as the average temperature in the hospital, these numbers are telling.

[sifgame]

The alias is a very fat troll and it must be trolled too bold.

[alch3mist]

in a few years, the first American aircraft will be purchased, most likely f15 or f16.

... Uno, uno, uno optimi-i-isto!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alexander Pseudonym

in a few years, the first American aircraft will be purchased, most likely f15 or f16

And then you will finally panic. Life in the nezalezhnoy will come tseu-European.

[Kerensky]

in a few years the first American aircraft will be purchased,

AND? In a few more years, will the Javelins be screwed to them (there are still)? What will the gallant Ukrainian pilots use to shoot (will there be more)?

[Region-25.rus]

The task is to cause unacceptable damage to the attackers. They will not be able to stop the attacking enemy yet.

Yes Yes! "War with Russia (in the interests of the United States) to the last Ukrainian!" And there the owners will catch up! Like in Georgia or like in Afghanistan Save and support)

[Alexander Pseudonym]

Saaakashvili himself made a big mistake about Georgia in 2008. He was warned that you can take a rake and that nobody will help you. Ukraine is now relying only on its own strength. These forces are decent. No wonder a very decent number of divisions you yourself know which country is against them.

[Region-25.rus]

a decent number of divisions you yourself know which country is against them.

just worth it? Hmmmmmm ... but to me, politicians and the media of one well-known country have been saying since 2014 that they are fighting

[Alexander Pseudonym]

I would write, but the site is censored. The divisions in front of Ukraine are not just standing there. Otherwise, they would have already occupied Donetsk and Lugansk. But I'm sure they'll take it. Everything goes to this.

[Region-25.rus]

Otherwise

yes it would interfere. WOULD you take .. and you WOULD start hanging like this?

[Alexander Pseudonym]

some facts of brutal treatment of captured militias by the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a place to be. The stars are burned out, names, callsigns are written with knives. I don't approve of that.

[Region-25.rus]

I would write, but the site is censored

but there is a personal)) Write

[Alexander Pseudonym]

no, sorry.

[bobba94]

I talked about this with a relative, my sister's cousin. He lives with his family in Israel, serves in the Israeli Air Force, but not a pilot. The situation for 2020 is roughly the following. Average annual flight time of Israeli Air Force pilots - 250 hours, reservists (mileum - 200 hours. Average annual flight time of US Air Force military pilots - 210 hours. Average annual flight time of Russian pilots - 130 hours. Ukraine - 45 hours

[Bobik012]

Thanks. It was boring

[Cananecat]

Quote: Alexander Pseudonym

Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are training strikes against the superior forces of the advancing enemy and air battles.

Will the enemy allow them? Where do they recruit you stupid, from what gateways?

[Alexander Pseudonym]

Please observe the rules of decency.
Regarding will or will not allow, if you can write an article and compare the potentials of the two countries. Can you describe by what forces, from what directions the strikes will be delivered to Ukraine? What losses will be on both sides. It would be interesting to discuss.

[Cananecat]

Practicing in the face of opposition ... haven't you heard? Not? And you can stupidly smack at targets until the carrot's plot ...

[TermNachTer]

Rzhu nimagu))) 40 hours a year, a lot?))) In normal countries, with such a touch they send for retraining))) purchased F -15?)))) Uncle, do you know how much "needles" cost?) )) the entire budget of Banderland is not enough for 12 cars.

[Alexander Pseudonym]

I know how much the planes cost, what the cost of an airplane and a helicopter is. in 25, you will see, I can bet on a case of beer. If of course you use

[TermNachTer]

Beer is good. But, I am tormented by vague doubts: "Will there be a Banderland in 2025?")))

[Alexander Pseudonym]

Ukraine will not disintegrate. Such a danger was in the 14th.

[TermNachTer]

Just in the 14th, this probability was very low. And now - people are simply tired of the Kuevsky imbitsies who live in their cocaine dreams.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Alexander Pseudonym

More than pilots in many NATO countries,

Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are training strikes against the superior forces of the advancing enemy and air battles. Task inflict unacceptable harm attacking.

[knn54]

-Today, a strange situation continues to develop in the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when the salaries of military pilots for some reason are significantly lower than the salaries of pilots in other power structures, including the aviation of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Border Service and the National Guard.
And not only pilots. Unlike in the USSR, officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs receive more than officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Flight time 40-50 hours a year, Absurd-1 hour / week, or even less.

[Sancho_SP]

If you fly more, then the kerosene and the resource will run out. And there is nowhere to take new ones.

[Alexander Pseudonym]

off fuel in Ukraine? Oil and gas from Russia.

[boris epstein]

Well, yes. They quarreled with Belarus. So Old Man blocked the brook. Do not spit in the well, it will come in handy to drink water.

[TermNachTer]

Well, they buy Belarusian kerosene, but with Azerbaijani "gasket", + 30% to the price of the Mozyr oil refinery, but these are all trifles. The main thing is that sanctions were introduced against But Father)))

[Alexander Pseudonym]

It's true.

[rocket757]

Yes, everything is fine .... falling.

[Jacket in stock]

Scatter, well, thank God. Let everyone scatter so that there is no one left.
Although, to be honest, it would be better if they were not left because everyone would have crashed the fuck.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

I don’t think that nothing can be done for the flying squirrels. You can, after all, give them a medal out of time. And according to the order! Is it okay?

[boris epstein]

With a twist on the back.

[TermNachTer]

For orders, you also need to bring money to the kuev)))

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
Why do they need pilots
they buy drones from Turkey ...
***

[Wahmister 1970]

In the original: - Complaints about outdated approaches to flight and tactical flight training based on the normative and methodological base of the 80s ".

[Walking towards the light]

What has changed in tactical flight training? The F-15 and F16 were made in the 80s of the 20th century. Only the electronics changed. The glider remained unchanged. Engines remained the same. The same was with Migami and Sushki.

[Wahmister 1970]

For what I bought, for what I sold
They say a lot of papers to fill out

[bober1982]

In the 80s, the Soviet Air Force never reworked, such was the regulatory framework, everything was strictly according to the schedule. The approach to flight work cannot be outdated, it is unified and worked out for decades.
They are fond of learning English too much.

[akarfoxhound]

Soviet aviation instructions and techniques for the combat use of the 80s are head and shoulders above the "works" of modern staff "writers". And there was much less waste paper. And I’m not for xoxol / air force, but for our videoconferencing and right now, so, for information.

[Vasyan1971]

but the main part of this time is not at all flying and not even working out tasks on simulators ... but "a superficial study of English-language NATO concepts."

An eccentric man, but this is the most important thing! This is the key to a lightning-fast and unconditional victory!

[Saladine]

Of course, it is easier for pigs to jump into civil aviation or fly abroad.

[Saladine]

“It is indicated that for a number of military pilots the service time per day reaches 14 hours, but the bulk of this time is not at all flights and not even working out tasks on simulators. This is paperwork and "a superficial study of English-language NATO concepts."

They thought that they would be able to conquer the sky 24/7 on emergency litacs with a sucked resource, but here they have to sit in the unit and do all sorts of nonsense. And this, to the angels of heaven, for hryvny! Ty, yak injustice)))

[Sancho_SP]

Come on, you can serve as a pilot for an average salary, it's stupidly interesting.

They run for salaries in civil aviation, which are an order of magnitude, if not one and a half, higher.


The solution is very simple: legally make it impossible for a military pilot to work in civil aviation or military service in other countries. And no one is going anywhere.

[lopuhan2006]

We would have to look at our chicken coop .... As it is already tired of looking at someone else's linen, when it’s time to wash your own.

[isv000]

the service time per day reaches 14 hours, but the bulk of this time is not at all flights and not even working out tasks on simulators. This is paperwork and "a superficial study of English-language NATO concepts."

Welcome to Geyropa, study NATO military affairs properly - you will take exams just around the corner if you have time ...

[Zakonnik]

That's good. Hai "learn".

[Misha_an26]

It reminds me of 1998, when the regiment was first reduced to a squadron, and then completely thrown out of Kustanai. There, in Yuzhno-Uralsk, I counted the length of service.

[Andrey Semenov_2]

... Today, a strange situation continues to develop in the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when the salaries of military pilots for some reason are significantly lower than the salaries of pilots in other power structures, including the aviation of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Border Service and the National Guard.

Hmmm .. No, well, considering the fact that aviation is used to guard the border, I still understand that. Although during my youth, this function was mostly performed by air defense aviation. At the expense of the presence of an aircraft fleet in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, to monitor the situation on public roads in the process of patrolling, this is also generally understandable. But damn it .. Who would explain to me what aircraft parts, in turn, allegedly stand on the balance sheet of the so-called National Guard of this corn republic called Ukraine? What are their goals and objectives? And most importantly, I don’t remember that on the territory of Ukraine, supposedly, in turn, a separate security agency with such a loud name as the National Guard was officially created? ... No, then, so-called nationalist battalions allegedly exist in Ukraine such as Aydar, Donbass, Azov and so on, this is certainly the place to be. But as far as I remember, all this rabble is essentially nothing more than elementary bandit formations of the so-called right sector, and the rest of the so-called pro-nationalist Ukrainian rabble ... Or Zelensky, in turn, is already so wandering in front of all this rabble, what in turn gave them a part of the Air Force?

[Andrey Semenov_2]

Quote: Alexander Pseudonym

Please observe the rules of decency.
Regarding will or will not allow, if you can write an article and compare the potentials of the two countries. Can you describe by what forces, from what directions the strikes will be delivered to Ukraine? What losses will be on both sides. It would be interesting to discuss.

Strikes against Ukraine? My dear, are Ukraine and Russia officially at war today? Here's the truth, it's somehow not entirely clear for what purpose, for you personally, is it so necessary in this case?

[Bare]

Let's revolution! Let's revolution

[DenVB]

Flight time - hour

And how long did this ukropilot want to fly for eight hours a day? I don’t know about ours, but the US Air Force has a pilot's flight time of about 20 hours a month. Divide by 20 working days - we get an average of one hour per day.

[Denis812]

So the APU counted and realized that if they did not increase the salary for the pilots, then not everyone would be dumped. There is not enough room for all of them in other structures. And they have nowhere to go.
An extremely demotivating solution for pilots, but where can they go? :)
Even retraining to civilian life will not work now - oversaturation of personnel.
So the song about "what for I went to KACHU, here is Ulyanovsk - everything is different" - it's not about the current "pilot" market.
But! The best will still find a way and dump. The worst will remain. And that's good for Russia :)

[Alexander Pseudonym]

Quote: Canecat

Practicing in the face of opposition ... haven't you heard? Not? And you can stupidly smack at targets until the carrot's plot ...

Heard. The level of preparation of the audience is different.

[NSV]

Seven years, everyone says that the country is 404, that's about to go into oblivion !!!! But !!!! While she is alive, she celebrates Nezalezhnosti for 30 years !!; Maybe we have ... dizziness from success!?!

[NSV]

Everything in 404 country is sad!

[Alexander Pseudonym]

Quote: NSV

Everything in 404 country is sad!

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