Experts in Turkey: Moscow and Ankara may be able to connect Iran and Pakistan to the Afghan settlement

_{Photos from the meeting of Vladimir Putin and Recep Erdogan in 2020}

The Turkish media comment on the telephone conversation that took place between the presidents of Turkey and Russia. As the website of the President of the Russian Federation reported, the parties exchanged views on the tense situation in Afghanistan. Also, Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan touched upon the issue of the disaster with the Be-200 aircraft, which extinguished fires in the southeast of Turkey and on board which were both Russian and Turkish citizens. Erdogan expressed condolences to the families and friends of the victims and said that he appreciates Russian assistance in combating the fires that have engulfed Turkey.

In the Turkish press, special attention is paid to the Afghan topic of telephone conversations between Putin and Erdogan. It is reported that the presidents agreed to jointly coordinate actions in connection with the threats emanating from the territory of Afghanistan. One of these threats is uncontrolled massive flows of refugees, which can rush through the countries of Central Asia, and then through Russia and Turkey to the European Union.

Erdogan:

Today we are in contact with various forces in Afghanistan. And so far we are satisfied that the Taliban (* a terrorist group banned in Russia) is ready for an all-encompassing political dialogue in order to stabilize the situation in the country.

At the same time, as the Turkish press writes, Erdogan told Putin that Turkish troops "may remain in Kabul until the completion of the evacuation of civilians." At the same time, the Turkish military emphasize that in this regard, they are coordinating their actions with the Americans, who "have certain lists of evacuees." Earlier, Ankara said that Turkish troops could leave the Kabul airport. Along with the Turkish military (about 1000 people), there are about 120 servicemen of the Azerbaijani army in Kabul. This fact was previously confirmed by the Azerbaijani media.

According to Erdogan, Turkey, like Russia, is determined to stabilize the situation in Afghanistan.

Turkish experts, commenting on the telephone conversation between the two presidents, believe that, unlike Syria, Moscow and Ankara have "more points of contact" on the Afghan issue. It was noted that Russian-Turkish cooperation may well expand to trilateral, if Iran and Pakistan join the process, whose influence on Afghanistan is very tangible:

Moscow and Ankara may be able to connect Iran and Pakistan to the Afghan settlement

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It is added that Moscow, Ankara and Tehran are already working together on the Syrian problem. And in a number of areas it is quite successful.

Comments

[seregatara1969]

Nobody needs a restless neighbor. FSE want stability and predictability

[knn54]

“The return of Afghanistan in the 1990s is not permissible. We know the Taliban's plan is to rebuild the Islamic Emirate. However, this plan is impractical as there is no consensus on this idea. Iran and the countries of the region will not allow Afghanistan to return to the 90s, ”
From the statement by Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in a videoconference with the participation of Indian Foreign Minister Subramanyam Jaishankar and Afghan National Security Adviser Hamdullv Muhiba.

[Shurik70]

In February 2001, the Taliban blew up Buddha statues that had stood for one and a half thousand years.
And in less than a year, Afghanistan was occupied by foreign troops. Karmic response.
Have the Taliban changed? It may very well be.
During the previous seizure of the country, they made Islam a top priority. Without worrying about how the neighbors will perceive it. All captured opponents were hanged. They destroyed architectural monuments that did not fit into their ideology.
And in the current seizure they emphasize that officials do not need to flee, they will not take revenge on them, they observe non-aggression agreements. During the seizure of Kabul, they took care of the protection of foreign embassies.
You can do business with such Taliban.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Shurik70

You can do business with such Taliban.

And if they only temporarily put on sheep skins? And immediately they will be removed, having achieved the final pacification of the population? While information comes from there ... all sorts of things.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And if they only temporarily put on sheep skins? While information comes from there ... all sorts of things.

The Taliban were indeed accused of ... anything.
And they will not give up 100% of the drug trade.
But so far no one has accused them of not keeping their word.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Do Iran and Pakistan have a desire to connect somewhere, to solve someone's problems?

[Egoza]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

Do Iran and Pakistan have a desire to connect somewhere, to solve someone's problems?

If they do, then with great benefit for themselves

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

They can connect without Turkey and Russia if they deem it necessary. Why collect another booth.

[Flooding]

Quote: Egoza

If they do, then with great benefit for themselves

about Iran, in my opinion, is extremely unlikely.
It would be unprofitable for Israel and the United States to improve their relations.
They will do everything to disrupt this format of meetings.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

It may be that if Iran and Pakistan begin to put pressure on the Talibostan, the fight will engulf these countries as well. At our borders.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

Do Iran and Pakistan have a desire to connect somewhere, to solve someone's problems?

Pakistan, Iran, China, Russia have already "connected" without any assistance to Turkey and are most likely coordinating among themselves the built interaction with the new government of Afghanistan (Taliban)

It's funny how the Turks, who have been sitting at the airport for a maximum of a month, decide who to "connect".

"Erdogan told Putin that Turkish troops" may remain in Kabul until the completion of the evacuation of civilians. "

It is not known what Putin told him,
but at least Erdogan himself says that as soon as the flight through the airport ends, then Turkey's military presence at the Kabul airport will end.

The Taliban will not say anything nasty to the Turks; on the contrary, they will smile.

The Taliban need investments in agriculture, in the development of mining, etc. If the Turks are able to provide such funding, they will gain economic influence in Afghanistan.
But Turkey has problems with its economy, there is a large budget deficit. And it will be difficult to compete with China.

Judging by the fact that earlier the Turks dreamed of staying and controlling the Kabul airport on a long-term basis, their plans included controlling drug trafficking to Europe, at least part of the route (what the Americans used to do through Kosovo). The Taliban, as it were, announced that they would fight drug production. Those. here the Turks fly by. Let's see what happens in September ...

Turkey also loves to help engage in education (the Turkicization of the aborigines), whether the Taliban need it, definitely not. But then the Taliban should offer their education program in Afghanistan. This is also not an easy question.

My opinion is that Erdogan on Afghanistan will have to greatly cut his Wishlist.

[bar]

Quote: Pandiurin

The Taliban need investments in agriculture, in the development of mining, etc. If the Turks are able to provide such funding, they will gain economic influence in Afghanistan.

The Chinese will give investments to the Taliban. They need Afghan minerals and agricultural products more than Erdgan. And their pocket with dough for investments is immeasurably thicker than that of depressed Turkey. So he will break off at the cassock in Afghanistan, no matter how he tries to forgive him there.

[Mityay65]

This topic pops up and pops up in a strange way over and over again.
On the one hand, the Taliban do not need Turkey, of course. Does Erdogan have anything other than PR?
It seems that there is: they immediately started talking again about TAPI, which was being hindered by the United States. This is a gas pipeline to Pakistan and India from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan.
The Turks relied on gas from Turkmenistan, and it seemed to them cheap. If the volumes go to India, and there both the demand and the price are higher, Turkey will lose a large promising business (pumping to Europe) and a source of gas for the economy.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Mityai65

This topic pops up and pops up in a strange way over and over again.
On the one hand, the Taliban do not need Turkey, of course. Does Erdogan have anything other than PR?
It seems that there is: they immediately started talking again about TAPI, which was being hindered by the United States. This is a gas pipeline to Pakistan and India from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan.
The Turks relied on gas from Turkmenistan, and it seemed to them cheap. If the volumes go to India, and there both the demand and the price are higher, Turkey will lose a large promising business (pumping to Europe) and a source of gas for the economy.

Erdogan's PR is based on his mega ambitions. Man is intellectually limited, without education. But not devoid of charisma, decisive. Such violent people sometimes made big moves (Alya Hitler or Mao). But their adventures usually ended badly.

[Mityay65]

Quote: Pandiurin

Such violent people sometimes made big moves (Alya Hitler or Mao). But their adventures usually ended badly.

Yes, there is no opportunity for Erdogan to arrange a movement in the direction of Afgan. For example, there are large ones in the Eastern Mediterranean. He would, of course, gladly lay his hands on the gas of Turkmenistan, but who will give him?
Apparently, he asks Putin to involve Turkey in the process in Afghanistan, to stand before the Taliban and promises something in exchange. And he asks Iran and Pakistan for the same, each of which promises something of his own.
Erdogan is a smart guy, his real task is Turkmenistan.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

Do Iran and Pakistan have a desire to connect somewhere, to solve someone's problems?

In general, Pakistan is directly related to the emergence of the Taliban movement and its military advisers have appeared in the barmaley operations against the government troops of Afghanistan, and therefore the fact that Pakistan, like no one else, has a desire to expand its influence in Afghanistan is beyond doubt.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Quite right. It's just that the more solvers in a heap are gathered, the less useful.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

Quite right. It's just that the more solvers in a heap are gathered, the less useful.

There is no sense where the United States is trying to take part in resolving issues. When, in the 50s, the USSR and Japan were on the verge of signing a peace treaty and practically agreed on the division of the disputed islands according to the 2x2 formula, the mattresses whispered to the Yap about the need to demand all four. The USSR offered the Yapas to sniff the muzzle, which they are diligently doing to this day.

[dimy44]

About the Be-200, it would be better if they did not remind them with their duty condolences. Something I don’t remember Turkish equipment in our forest fires, which are often much larger than Turkish ones.

[mvg]

I remember Turkish equipment in our forest fires

They pay more ... a little guest workers. Dash turned up a hack.
I am not against hack-work, but without fanaticism.
PS: I still don't understand, who are Russia and Turkey friends with? It seems that there are graters with Iranoi and Pakistan.

[dimy44]

Quote: mvg

I am not against hack-work, but without fanaticism.

Well, yes, we are all "calm", why should the technique be idle. But no, they pay more there, but here everything is on fire.

[mvg]

burn everything with waste

I saw a couple of forest fires. One a couple of hundred meters from the house. I don’t know how with the Be-200, but a hundred fire engines would be great. Once a drop dead mushroom forest burned down, moreover, in the border zone, in another 12 or 13 houses ... like a cow with a tongue.
So the question is, where is this technique all?
PS: There are friends in the fire department, while the chief himself. It is recognized that work is not to hit the lying person
And the house itself burned down ... so, for a couple of million

[White man]

We ate about Yakutia, so there is only recently a runway for pozh. Aviation attended.

[Beringovsky]

Experts in Turkey: Moscow and Ankara may be able to connect Iran and Pakistan to the Afghan settlement

What a ridiculous headline!
As if Iran or Pakistan needs a special invitation from Putin for this. Is he on duty in Afghanistan?

[bar]

Moscow and Ankara may be able to connect Iran and Pakistan to the Afghan settlement

Moscow can and will succeed, but Ankara is where? The Sultan did not manage to get into Afghanistan on the NATO hump, now he is trying to get into the Russian one?

[ximkim]

Jump into the carriage again with the laces untied?
Syria and Afghanistan differ from each other in name and location, and everything else is the same.
And there will be no points of contact (Syria, for example, some gas supply).
It will be great if the Kremlin does not turn around and lie, does not start inventing something, but announces its goals and work with Kabul.

[agoran]

The Turks will fail.
The fall of the lyre, a disastrous tourist season against the backdrop of covidla.
In Afghanistan, the local "spirits" of the minke whales drove out with pissing rags in a couple of weeks.
The Ottomans will be stupidly crushed.