F-16 fighters purchased by Bulgaria turned out to be "conditionally combat-ready"

Despite the acute political and economic crisis in Bulgaria, the absence of a permanent government (temporary) and a clear budget, the country's military department quietly began to launch the procedure for the purchase of another batch of F-16 fighters, preparing to send a letter of request to the United States for the preparation of the project contract.

And about. Defense Minister Georgy Panayotov informed about the corresponding correspondence only after the deputy's request. According to him, it is only about clarifying the cost of the acquisition and the possible characteristics of eight F-16 Block 70 aircraft, and the decision in any case will be made by parliament. As the minister explained, "prices for weapons systems are constantly growing," therefore, it is necessary to determine the possible costs of purchasing a second batch of fighters. According to third-party estimates, the new agreement will cost $ 1 billion.

Serious failure in foreign policy! They tried to hide secret negotiations with abroad, ordering planes in the midst of a severe economic crisis.

- said the former Prime Minister Boyko Borisov, although even under him the contract for the purchase of 10 units, which was within the budget, was thwarted. Gripen and negotiations began to acquire the F-16.

In this case, as it turned out, 8 units. F-16s, acquired by Bulgaria in the first batch, can be called “conditionally combat-ready”. The fact is that due to the overspending of funds allocated for the renewal of the fighter fleet ($ 1,31 billion instead of $ 1,07 billion), it was necessary to cut down on "associated costs" as much as possible. As a result, the vehicles expected in late 2023 - early 2024 will arrive with a limited number of air-to-air missiles and only a few bombs without laser guidance.

The first batch will be equipped exclusively for airspace protection

- indicated in the Bulgarian edition "Capital".

Comments

[Orange bigg]

The F-16 fighters purchased by Bulgaria turned out to be "conditionally combat-ready"

In the West, you can see such a fashion now. Conditionally combat-ready F-35s Now here are the conditionally combat-ready F-16s. And why bother with the Bulgarian Air Force? They are part of NATO, there is someone to cover them if anything. And even then, from whom should Bulgaria be protected? It's just different outcasts who are arming themselves, since they are not members of NATO.

[Well done]

And Bulgaria itself is somehow conditional. Solid acting ...

[pytar]

And Bulgaria itself is somehow conditional. Solid acting ...

Quite normal, good and very beautiful country. I have lived all my life in it, in many others I have been, there is no better one.

[Practik2012]

With all due respect to you and Bulgaria, but we heard in the song under the Balkan stars: Bulgaria is a good country, but Russia is the best

[pytar]

Bulgaria is a good country, but Russia is the best

For everyone, his country is the best and so it should be!

[Region-25.rus]

"The Bulgarian elephant is the best friend of the Soviet elephant" Sorry. I remembered an old anecdote)))

[ANB]

.
Quite normal, good and very beautiful country

I completely agree. But why do you need fighters? Only from the Turks.

[pytar]

But why do you need fighters?

Strange question! It's like asking, "Why do we need a traffic police?" So there are roads!
What is the Air Force doing? Protect the sky from invaders and intruders.

[pytar]

But why do you need fighters?

Because hang gliders and maize workers are not suitable for protecting the sky of the country.

[Maksim]

Oh, are you jealous?

[Aaron Zawi]

It seems to me that the title of the article is somewhat attractive. The machines will be fully combat-ready, but there were major miscalculations in the procurement of the aviation WTO. All the same, it is not the same thing.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

It seems to me that the title of the article is somewhat attractive. The machines will be fully combat-ready, but there were major miscalculations in the procurement of the aviation WTO. All the same, it is not the same thing.

That's it.
We bought them ourselves with a minimum of missiles.
And the news was turned over so that supposedly the planes of the wrong system ...

[AVA77]

In this case, an unloaded gun, fully combat-ready, can be brushed aside like a club. Only a baton is much cheaper than a gun, is not whimsical in maintenance and is always ready for a combat mission. Tek what for to pay more.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

The machines will be fully combat-ready, but there were major miscalculations in the procurement of the aviation WTO. All the same, it is not the same thing.

Tell this to the Armenians ...

[pytar]

It seems to me that the title of the article is somewhat attractive.

As well as "it should be" in style "everything is bad there"...

The machines will be fully combat-ready, but there were major miscalculations in the procurement of the aviation WTO. All the same, it is not the same thing.

The article is written for the appropriate public.

[dauria]

The article is written for the appropriate public

Actually, the main thing in the article is the main thing. They did not buy excellent cars from the Swedes (and Grippen is indeed a real competitor to the F-16) at a price less than the American ones, in addition, cost no weapons.
Well, how can you explain such a fair competition? Do Swedes have little democracy? Or is it that the Americans bought someone before selling?

[pytar]

They did not buy excellent cars from the Swedes (and Grippen is indeed a real competitor to the F-16) at a price less than the American ones, in addition, cost no weapons.

Flu is really a good car! In addition to high performance characteristics and a low price, it has another important advantage for a mountainous country like Bulgaria - the ability to use autobahns, thanks to a short take-off run and landing.

Well, how can you explain such a fair competition? Do Swedes have little democracy? Or is it that the Americans bought someone before selling?

And what does democracy have to do with it? Both machines are good, have both pros and cons! Gripenn's disadvantage is more limited functionality and a smaller set of weapons. Influenza uses American weapons, and the consumer has to buy the ego again from the United States, which is more complicated and does not guarantee supplies. Falcon is produced in huge series and will be in service for many years to come. Accordingly, there will be no problems with spare parts and support.
There is one more factor, purely economic - Bulgaria and the United States, oddly enough for some, have had a positive trade balance for many years. Bulgarian exports are 3 times higher than imports from the United States. Buying Falcon, partly balances the imbalance.

[your1970]

Quote: pytar

Influenza uses American weapons, and the consumer must buy the ego again from the United States, which more complicated and does not guarantee supplies.

- and for the F-16 it guarantees that there are no missiles that way ...

[pytar]

- and for the F-16 it guarantees that there are no missiles that way ...

I don’t want to go into details, but when supplying American weapons, which Grippen uses, you need a separate permission from the American authorities, which sometimes slows down and comes out more expensive than direct orders along with purchases from consumers. In addition, in the proposed configurations, the F-16 bl 70 surpasses Grippen, which was offered at a lower price, but with a very curtailed functionality. The expert comments that with a higher configuration identical to that of the F-16 bl 70, Grippen would cost as Falcon. And the missiles were bought enough for security functions.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Now here are the conditionally combat-ready F-16

Continue copying and pasting, it turns out badly to express your thoughts. We are talking about the purchase of a small amount of weapons, it has nothing to do with fighters.

Quote: OrangeBigg

They are also NATO members.

That's it. They will be given missiles and bombs from any NATO storage base (or a member country), absolutely free. Of course, in wartime, for current tasks and training, what was purchased is enough.

[Orange bigg]

. Rockets and bombs will be given to them from any NATO storage base (or a member country), absolutely free.

I appreciate your sense of humor.

[Sands Careers General]

Will be given free, but for money))

[pytar]

We are talking about the purchase of a small amount of weapons, it has nothing to do with fighters. They will be given missiles and bombs from any NATO storage base (or a member country), absolutely free. Of course, in wartime, for current tasks and training, what was purchased is enough.

Dear, you correctly understood the essence of the question , which, of course, is not mentioned in the article. The Bulgarian Armed Forces are not stocked up for prolonged hostilities, their composition is minimal and completely selective. Disputes in Bulgaria were about the "minimum required quantities" continue to this day. If Parliament decides, you can purchase additional or replace obsolete ones.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Why Bulgaria's Air Force at all? They are part of NATO, there is someone to cover them if that.

By whom? Neighbors, the same rogue and losers, and Turkey Bulgaria did not give up for nothing ...

[Maksim]

Neighbors, the same rogue and losers,

Lara is our Croft, you are going to donate to Bulgaria. So we are only FOR! Carry your rubles-euro-dollars-tugriks to SportLoto.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mac Sim

Carry your rubles-euro-dollars-tugriks to SportLoto.

What is the connection between Bulgaria and

SportLoto

[Maksim]

What is the connection between Bulgaria and the rogue?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mac Sim

What is the connection between Bulgaria and the rogue?

Read the text of the article:

acquired by Bulgaria in the first batch can be called "conditionally combat-ready"

Don't be so sorry about this, you just repeated the "feat" of the Armenians, there, too, pro-American liberoids are in power ...

[pytar]

What is the connection between Bulgaria and the rogue?

Ivan Ivanovich, there is no connection, but their propaganda is constantly trumpeting "rogue, oh, how bad it is," and so on. Never mind that the standard of living in Bulgaria is definitely not lower than that of the most resource-rich country in the world.

[Maksim]

Well, bad and good is not to have objective categories. The zomboyaschik pushes them into their heads that we feel bad, but we feel good.
Accident - I don't think so.

[pytar]

In the West, you can see such a fashion now. Conditionally combat-ready F-35s Now here are the conditionally combat-ready F-16s.

The first batch of 8 from the consumer already purchased. It was argued that the number of missiles was not enough for intensive combat operations, but in fact they were sufficient for the selective role that the Bulgarian Falcons would play. Possible purchases of additional quantities.

Serious failure in foreign policy! They tried to hide secret negotiations with abroad, ordering planes in the midst of a severe economic crisis. - said former Prime Minister Boyko Borisov ...

Borisov, who was then a prize winner, praised the terms of the contract. "The acquisition of the F-16 Block 70 aircraft is not just a purchase, but an expression of Bulgaria's commitment to the irreversible modernization of its armed forces." - he declared just a few months ago.

Borisov, in negotiations with representatives of Lockheed / 29.09.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX /.

Shas, being in opposition, of course criticizes. Fine. At the moment, the new government launches procedures for the purchase of the second batch of F-16 fighters, which is provided for under the plan for re-equipping the Air Force, drawn up under the Borisov government and approved by the Parliament. There is nothing new.

And why bother with the Bulgarian Air Force? They are part of NATO, there is someone to cover them if anything. And then from whom should Bulgaria be protected? It's just that different outcasts are arming themselves, since they are not members of NATO.

All are armed, without exclusion. The world is entering turbulence, and the Balkan is a conflict place. The Bulgarian Air Force needed an update for a long time, the F16 bl 70 is a good multifunctional machine, ideal for the conditions of the peninsula.

[ecolog]

And suddenly, suddenly, you have to conduct a fleeting private war with some sort of Turkey or Romania. In which NATO will not intervene. And here are bonbs without a laser and by the piece.

[Maksim]

Why fight Turkey, especially Romania ??? Your logic is hard to understand. Following it, the Russian Federation should prepare for a war with Mongolia. This is where the combat Buryat underwater cavalrymen come in handy.

[ecolog]

This is just for the sake of example. Any conflict in which NATO does not intervene militarily for some reason. How NATO made it clear to Turkey that they say with the Russians, if you figure it out yourself, we are not interested in your Syrian graters. Bulgarians have territorial problems with their neighbors. With the Greeks, with the Romanians. It can smolder for centuries, but it can also stink on occasion.

[Maksim]

I hasten to disappoint - we have no territorial problems with our neighbors. Of course, you can always turn up some sick in the head and claim the Kemsky volost. But so far not and is not expected. For if you demand from a neighbor, two of you will demand it at once. They are like that in the Balkans. So calm down - right now, Bulgaria has everything exactly with its neighbors on land issues.

[ecolog]

then why waste a whole yard on expensive toys? What is Bulgaria's budget? What is the deficit? But it's not enough to buy them, they also need to be serviced. And all imports. That is, money passes by the economy.
Correctly say, if you want to ruin the country - give it a cruiser, well, or a dozen litakas for the same price. And then it's not for nothing. Unclear.

[Maksim]

Because if you do not feed your army, you will feed someone else's. So that.

[pytar]

Bulgarians have territorial problems with their neighbors. With the Greeks, with the Romanians.

Who told you this nonsense? Nothing to do with reality! From the word at all!

[ecolog]

and the type has never happened? With the Romanians on the shelf of the World Cup. There is not much, but oil. There is a Turkish diaspora in Bulgaria, the second largest after the Bulgarians themselves. Well organized and supported from outside.

[pytar]

With the Romanians on the shelf of the World Cup.

Nonsense! You are probably confusing the dispute between Romania and Ukraine over the shelf. Neither with the Romanians, nor with the Greeks, nor with the Serbs or Macedonians, we have territorial disputes.

There is a Turkish diaspora in Bulgaria, the second largest after the Bulgarians themselves.

Turkey alone creates risks for all its neighbors to some degree. Anything can be expected from Erdogan. Our Turks themselves do not really respect him, but some provocations and attempts on the example of the "annexation of Crimea" are possible. In this case, it is not the ratio of the armed forces that is more important, the Turkish ones are incomparably stronger, but the stability and controllability of society in both countries. If the country is internally stable, there will be no external threat.

[ecolog]

Who was interested in your internal stability when both world wars were unfolding?

[Maksim]

So in Bulgaria, after the Turks, the largest diaspora is the Russians. Are you preparing for a war with the Russian Federation?

[ecolog]

actually a gypsy. Russians there are 30 times less than the same gypsies, not counting those who just bought real estate.
By the way, the Russian diaspora did not prevent you from being in a camp hostile to Russia in both world wars. Apparently you are more comfortable under the Germans, since you choose them all the time.
Who knows, maybe under the Turks too.

[TermNachTer]

Bulgarians were still lucky))) psheki, when they received the first batch of used F - 16, they did not fly at all))) there was a laugh)))

[Orange bigg]

Even American scrap metal is in demand overseas. The quality is high for American scrap metal.

[TermNachTer]

Ha - ha three times))) and who will ask the slaves - do they like scrap metal or not?))) Take what they give and do not forget to thank and bow)))

[Maksim]

Excuse me, does your leadership have money in the West? And you still yawn about that bowing. The trampoline jumper has already sold another batch of rocket engines to the potential enemy. And when the gentleman wants to send his aatronaurov to the ISS, the izvizchik is always ready. What is the cheating about then?

[TermNachTer]

Whose leadership are you talking about?))) I generally live in Ukraine, I don't have any leadership at all - only clowns and imbeciles)))

[Maksim]

Moreover, the situation is more transparent than in the Russian Federation. And if you are in Ukraine, who are you laughing to? Holo-appointee….

[TermNachTer]

That's because I look from the side, I can see better. I do not appoint anyone as slaves - they appointed themselves

[Maksim]

Well, I appreciated your level of self-criticism. Serfs, so serfs. A saucepan on your head and a cookie in your mouth. Download further.

[ecolog]

selling high-tech products abroad is the dream of any manufacturer. This is much better than driving raw materials, because it feeds a lot of qualified specialists and does not give them the opportunity to lose their qualifications. Plus money for R&D.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

somewhere it was necessary to fuse the trash, and here the Bulgarians were just right and came in handy

[BABAY22]

How long has the F-16 Block 70 become trash?

[TermNachTer]

The fact that Bulgarians want to buy does not mean that they will be sold. Remember the old Soviet joke about the elephant?)))

[pytar]

The fact that Bulgarians want to buy does not mean that they will be sold.

They will sell, they will sell, Nikolay. 16 magnificent F-16 bl.70 at least we will definitely have.

[TermNachTer]

As my company commander said, and he was a very smart uncle, he rewound two terms in Afghanistan: "We will see)))

[pytar]

Let's take a look. It won't be long to wait.

[TermNachTer]

Nu - nu, for someone even 50 years is not long)))

[pytar]

Nu - nu, for someone even 50 years is not long)))

Are you going to die tomorrow or what? 2023-24 is coming soon! Our pilots are already undergoing training.

[Maksim]

And my foreman said that when two people do the same thing, it’s not the same thing. Boom to watch.

[AC130 Gunship]

F15 and F16 in the newest versions continue to buy well. The US Air Force recently ordered a batch of F15s.
For those who are not in the subject. The aircraft is the same age as the Mig29 and Su27 generations. It's just that Russia, making a modification of the Su27, named them 30, 33 and 35. The Americans simply add an alphabetic index to a well-known brand. And, oh yeah, the size of an aircraft like the F18 Supet Hawk is larger than the F18 Hawk. However, he did not become F19 or F20.
And the F16 is a good and reliable car. Several thousand pieces were produced. Multifunctional. Inexpensive to operate. The electronics will be all new

[newcomer]

Colleague, F18 is not "Hawk", "Hornet" he is.

[akarfoxhound]

Expensive to operate, dear. American technology in operation cannot be cheap, the extreme jet light fighter "from the inexpensive" was the F-5 Tiger, and then only because the Zusul was originally created for friendly America. Or do you compare the light 16 with the F-15? Pshek, albeit second-hand, but then still flightable 16e static exhibits for the most part eventually became due to the extremely expensive for them, for the Poles, the content of this falcon, the fighter is not a "Zhigul", it just won't stand for a long time, on it regularly work must be done, which cost more than three kopecks.
P.S. I will urge you a little for your slip of the tongue - why did you call the F-18 Hornet Hawk, what did you not please?

[El Chuvachino]

Reliable? With such an accident rate?

[TermNachTer]

Mattress toppers ordered new F - 15, for the simple reason that the F - 35 program is very late and the "lightning" was not as good as the manufacturer promised))) F - 16 mattress toppers are trying to "sell" to everyone, starting with the Indians, to avoid stopping production.

[pytar]

Mattress toppers ordered new F - 15, for the simple reason that the F - 35 program is very late and the "lightning" was not so good ... F - 16 mattress toppers are trying to "sell" to everyone, starting with the Indians, in order to avoid stopping production.

For the reason that you are ordering and trying to sell all sorts of derivatives of the Su-27 / Su - 30,32,35, etc. / and MiG-29 / MiG-35, SMT, etc. /?

[TermNachTer]

In the territory where I live, not a single aircraft has been produced or sold since 2016, and Soviet stocks have been plundered and sold. So, sarcasm at the wrong address)))

[pytar]

In the territory where I live ...

This is not important, I meant as a similar example of the Russian Federation, and not where you live. In short generation 4 ++++ continues to be improved and adopted.

[TermNachTer]

So in some places, even the 3rd generation for joy))) so do not rush to rejoice))) the one who shoots the last laughs well)))

[pytar]

So in some places, even the 3rd generation for joy)))

Many. We rejoiced at the MiG-ah for 40 years, as it was time to switch to a new one.

the one who shoots the last laughs well)))

Something tells me that it won't be you ... And we are inappropriately happy about other people's failures. We are positive people, we are happy when others are doing well!

[TermNachTer]

I haven't noticed any particular success in Bulgaria lately.

[pytar]

I haven't noticed any particular success in Bulgaria lately.

I assume you are as busy as you should be.

[Maksim]

So what sarcasm, you have betatvie. It's time to build Noah's ark.

[Dmitriy444]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Even American scrap metal is in demand overseas. The quality is high for American scrap metal.

I think they just know how to convince.

[Alexander 3]

.On Shipka we need to talk to the Bulgarians. Their size 35 will not be able to see our guests. If anything. Brothers, however.

[voyaka uh]

F-16 can be safely used as a fighter.
Or you can, as a drummer. The plane is versatile.
It depends on what kind of weapons to buy for him.

[Reserve buildbat]

The first 8 F-16s for 1,31 yards, the second 8 F-16s for "more than 1" yards ... Only I have the impression that Bulgarians are "thrown" as those "non-mammoths" who will not die out?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: stock buildbat

The first 8 F-16s for 1,31 yards, the second 8 F-16s for "more than 1" yards ... Only I have the impression that Bulgarians are "thrown" as those "non-mammoths" who will not die out?

Have you seen the contract?
Maybe there, besides airplanes, all sorts of "retraining of pilots", BAO equipment, support with spare parts and engines for 20-30 years ahead ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: SovAr238A

Have you seen the contract?

Have you seen?

Maybe there, besides airplanes, all sorts of "retraining of pilots", BAO equipment, support with spare parts and engines for 20-30 years ahead ...

And Star Destroyer, too ...

[Reserve buildbat]

Have you seen the contract? There is not even a weapon there, what kind of BAO, spare parts and engines are there for 100500 years?
"As a result, the vehicles expected in late 2023 - early 2024 will arrive with a limited number of air-to-air missiles and only a few bombs without laser guidance."
Read carefully.

[pytar]

Have you seen the contract? There is not even a weapon there, what kind of BAO, spare parts and engines are there for 100500 years? "As a result, the vehicles expected in late 2023 - early 2024 will arrive with a limited number of air-to-air missiles and only a few bombs without laser guidance."
Read carefully.

The agreement covers not only purchases of the most popular aircraft, but also training of pilots in the USA, guarantee support for several years ahead, creation of a rembazz station in Bulgaria, supply of equipment for it, supply of a 3D simulator, a certain amount of spare parts, weapons for the "first time" and so on. It is also interesting that the amount transferred under the contracts, for the period of their execution, will be reserved in the US Federal Reserve, and on it the Bulgarian side will receive a 1,5% dividend. In addition, the State Department approved $ 50 million to subsidize the deal.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: stock buildbat

Have you seen the contract? There is not even a weapon there, what kind of BAO, spare parts and engines are there for 100500 years?
"As a result, the vehicles expected in late 2023 - early 2024 will arrive with a limited number of air-to-air missiles and only a few bombs without laser guidance."
Read carefully.

What to read?
What the translator wrote from the words of the former prime minister?

The VO website lies very much in the news, misinterpreting what is said, but what you want ...

There are such examples on this site, when the aftars were exposed as a lie by a carriage and a trolley ...

Article - has nothing to do with reality.

[pytar]

The first 8 F-16s for 1,31 yards, the second 8 F-16s for "more than 1" yards ... Only I have the impression that Bulgarians are "thrown" as those "non-mammoths" who will not die out?

Ivan, at one time we bought a MiG-29 from the USSR for the same price in terms of currency conversion. I somewhere on VO did detailed calculations as proof. By the way, the MiG-29s we bought in the 80s were second-hand, although before that they did not serve for a long time (about 2 years) in the Soviet Air Force. With all the fact that the price of the second batch of F-16 has not yet been specified, they will be guaranteed cheaper than the first 8. In addition, the US government has approved a $ 50 million gratuitous aid to Bulgaria for the purchase of these aircraft.

[Reserve buildbat]

Boyan, welcome!
Now compare the mentioned amounts (1,31 billion and more than 1 billion) with 50 million and laugh together. This is the first thing. Secondly, in these deliveries, even weapons were not really found, which in itself is strange.

[pytar]

Now compare the mentioned amounts (1,31 billion and more than 1 billion) with 50 million and laugh together.

Ivan, you are confusing the total price of a contract, in which a lot is still included, with the price of a single consumer. By the way, we used to buy the MiG-29 "naked", we paid for the supply of weapons separately. And the cost of infrastructure was an order of magnitude higher than it is now. True, during the OVD, we had more air bases. I made an accurate calculation, the MiG-29s we bought in the 80s had a reduced price comparable to the price of the F-16 today. It's a pity, this is a comment on VO wrote somewhere 2 years ago, too lazy to look for.

[Reserve buildbat]

"In addition, the US government has approved a $ 50 million gratuitous aid to Bulgaria for the purchase of these aircraft."
Here is your quote. I wrote about these 50 million. And I believe that here the weapons for the F-16 will rise to another 1,5 billion dollars. So let's laugh.

[pytar]

Here is your quote. I wrote about these 50 million. And I believe that here the weapons for the F-16 will rise to another 1,5 billion dollars. So let's laugh.

Your assumptions, all assumptions, the chulovek is not aware of the topic ... Better do not rush to laugh ...

[Reserve buildbat]

I'm not hurrying. I am just comparing $ 2,3+ billion for some 16 F-16s and a "huge aid" of $ 50 million, which is not enough for a third of one fighter at your prices.

[pytar]

I'm not hurrying. I'm just comparing $ 2,3+ billion for some 16 F-16s and ...

You don’t read it. I have personally explained to you above that 2,3 billion is not the price of one consumer.

"huge help" of $ 50 million, which is not enough for a third of one fighter at your prices.

This is approximately 70% at the cost of one consumer. It's a trifle, but an agreement on technological and industrial cooperation has been signed, which provides for the transfer of certain technologies.

By the way, for those who are especially dull, I repeat - in the last 10-15 years, the trade balance between Bulgaria and the United States is positive. In 2019-2020, Bulgaria exported goods and services to the United States at a cost of 1,21 billion. dollars, and imported from there for 463 million dollars.It turns out ~ 750 million dollars per year in plus, and in the period of 10-15 years, it is several (7-8) billion dollars. So, even after buying the Falcon trades the balance will remain positive for Bulgaria.

[Reserve buildbat]

With which I congratulate you. And we'll see at the end. So far, no one has benefited from the United States. Suddenly you succeed

[pytar]

So far, no one has benefited from the United States.

Like nobody? Going to China Got Rich Playing US Games! The states are drowning in debt to China! And not only China is doing well!

[AC130 Gunship]

Who should Bulgaria fight with? There, simple Super Tucano will do just fine. Switzerland does not bother to spend money on weapons at all. Better - to raise the standard of living for people ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: AC130 Ganship

Super Tucano is fine.

Why fit?

Switzerland does not bother to spend money on weapons at all.

Where did they get it?

[Maksim]

Oh well, Switzerland is not wasted ?? So from its 5,7 lard, it spends 8 times more than the “beggar” Bulgaria. And more than Belgium, Portugal and as much as Romania and the belligerent Ukraine. Wow economy.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mac Sim

Oh well, Switzerland is not wasted ?? So from its 5,7 lard, it spends 8 times more than the “beggar” Bulgaria. And more than Belgium, Portugal and as much as Romania and the belligerent Ukraine. Wow economy.

A rare but adequate answer to nonsense ...

[Maksim]

Thank you very much blahadaren, madam, who have turned their brightest eyes to me. I bow.

[pytar]

Switzerland does not bother to spend money on weapons at all.

Switzerland is the most heavily armed country in the world.

[komuso]

Quote: stock buildbat

The first 8 F-16s for 1,31 yards, the second 8 F-16s for "more than 1" yards ... Only I have the impression that Bulgarians are "thrown" as those "non-mammoths" who will not die out?

And I didn’t understand that it’s your money or our Bulgarian money. And who knows where and how he spends it.

[horus88]

So I don't understand, is this our site, or your Bulgarian? And who are you to tell us how to comment on our articles?

[komuso]

The article is not yours but from the Bulgarian Russophile newspaper Capital.

[El Chuvachino]

And what is wrong? "Russophilia" is synonymous with common sense

[pytar]

So I don't understand, is this our site, or your Bulgarian?

The Capital newspaper belongs to circles close to the Kremlin. There is a trick for conducting propaganda. In some country, information resource associated with Russia. structures writes material to order, and then copy it in rus-media or cite it as "the opinion of the locals."

[newcomer]

"And who Wu ..." ???

[mitroha]

And I didn’t understand that it’s your money or our Bulgarian money. And who knows where and how he spends it.

Somehow it looks like Pidyar, there is such a Russophobe on the site, isn't it you in a new incarnation?

[Maksim]

Mitrokha, and you look like the old Mudyak to me, aren't you in a new incarnation?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mitroha

Somehow it looks like Pidyar, there is such a Russophobe on the site, isn't it you in a new incarnation?

Pidyaru, someone e ... broke his face, now this one is for him ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: komuso

money or our Bulgarian.

But where did the fundamentally unemployed get money, then the CMEA, then the ESU, although your truth is that no one treats the poor as well as in Mother Russia ...

[Maksim]

Quote: Lara Croft

the fundamentally unemployed have money

Excuse me, are you fooling around or sitting in complete inadequacy? Do you really think that no one works for us and we are plump with hunger?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mac Sim

Excuse me, are you fooling around or sitting in complete inadequacy?

I can ask you the same question, as well as other "Bulgarians" from the VO website ...

Do you really think that nobody works for us?

They work in the service sector (due to the successful de-industrialization) in their homeland or in other EU countries ...
And proto that the Bulgarians are swelling with hunger, I did not write a line ...

[Maksim]

Quote: Lara Croft

I can ask you the same question, as well as other "Bulgarians" from the VO website ...

Show you your passport with registration?

Quote: Lara Croft

They work in the service sector (due to the successful de-industrialization) in their homeland or in other EU countries ...

But they work the same. At one time, the USSR put its hands on our deindustrialization in 1988-1990.

[Lara Croft]

In this case, as it turned out, 8 units. F-16s, acquired by Bulgaria in the first batch, can be called “conditionally combat-ready”.

Well, rightly so, why would a conditionally independent country, a conditionally equal member of NATO and the EU, need a combat-ready air force ....?

[Maksim]

Then what is Yaroslavny's conditional crying about ?? Go and rejoice, as ordered by Mr. PZh.

[Klingon]

Here Yankes know how to vtyuhivat trash .. OK, not trash))) But conditionally combat-ready! And expensive! Straight Tom Sawyer's school in all its (baryzhy) splendor

[voyaka uh]

Have you even read the article?
No weapons for hitting the ground have been purchased.
And only explosive rockets. Nothing more for fighter and is not required.
On the Su-27, for example, there is no weapon for striking the ground at all.
But it is not considered conditionally combat-ready.
Bulgaria now has normal combat-ready fighters.

[pytar]

Bulgaria now has normal combat-ready fighters.

Respect, for an ordinary, balanced opinion! It was high time to replace the rusty 40-year-old trash, just recently one of the Bulgarian MiG-29s already repaired in the Russian Federation crashed, the pilot unfortunately died.

[El Chuvachino]

The F-16 has a higher accident rate.

[pytar]

The F-16 has a higher accident rate.

The new F-16 freshly rolled out of factories has a guaranteed lower accident rate than the 40-year-old MiG-29 ...

[El Chuvachino]

Do you already have statistics?

[pytar]

Do you already have statistics?

I have an old Lada Kopeyka and a new Citroen. Lada 2101 totally rusted, constantly broke, will have to be sent for remelting. It's a pity, she reminded me of my youth.

[El Chuvachino]

Obviously, there are no statistics.

[pytar]

Obviously, there are no statistics.

This is the most reliable statistics from personal practice. What do you think - the 40-year-old MiG-29 is less wrecked than the brand new F-16 bl.70, which by the way have not yet left the production shops?

[Maksim]

Statistics - in the studio. Themselves raised the topic, and solve it yourself. We are waiting for statistics on the accident rate of both aircraft. It is advisable not from some left site or blog, but, say, from the Aviation Safety Network or others like that.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: pytar

It's high time to replace the rusty 40-year-old junk

Did you save money? Well, now you have newer stuff ...

[pytar]

Did you save money?

It is unlikely that our money should excite you for sure ...

Well, now you have newer stuff ...

Certainly, this "trash" is no worse than the Russian "trash" MiG-35 ...

[Klingon]

Man, what I wanted to write is what I wrote and the fact that the striped vassals are able to snatch trash are a fact, and by the way, if you read my comment CAREFULLY, I wrote "OK, not Trash! But incomplete" so you are not reading carefully! And yes, there will be Su-57, they will do it sooner or later. And the fact that highly developed Israel has its own production of manned aircraft, as such, is also a fact! All Israel can do is rivet drones and buy piloted flyers from Striped Daddy.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: voyaka uh

Bulgaria now has normal combat-ready fighters.

By no means.

Have you even read the article?

I remind you the text from the article: for the "especially gifted"

In this case, as it turned out, 8 units. F-16s, acquired by Bulgaria in the first batch, can be called “conditionally combat-ready”.

[Maksim]

Quote: Lara Croft

I remind you the text from the article: for the "especially gifted"

Rather traditional for these latitudes - I have not read but I condemn (s).

[newcomer]

Yes, hi at least buy "Phantoms". Whatever the child is amused with, if only he does not cry.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Conditional allies - conditionally combat-ready aircraft.

[Wolf]

F16 block 70 ochim seriozna machine !!!
The best in Hum (Balkans) there is no thread in Turkey, Greece, Romania, Hungary !!!
Question here why Bulgaria such a series of airplanes ???
As for bombs and missiles, this can always be bought easily, it is not spent annually.
If you take into account that the Croatians bought Rafalov, and the United States strengthened Aviano, then there is already a Siri threat!

[BABAY22]

Quote: Wolf

As for the bombs ...

I'm sorry.
This meme appeared in my head by itself.

[pytar]

F16 block 70 ochim seriozna machine !!! The best in Hum (Balkans) there is no thread in Turkey, Greece, Romania, Hungary !!!

Undoubtedly the F-16 bl70 is a car with serious capabilities!

Question here why Bulgaria such a series of airplanes ???

And because, on not serious, it's a pity to spend money.

[lopuhan2006]

After the South Stream, I finally understood that the Bulgarians, separated by a comma, after the Romanians and Balts. In general, they don’t care about their freaks - they buy these 10 planes for at least 16 milliards. This is how wretched sycophants you have to be to give up the golden chicken from Gazprom ..... And also, do not forget about the Bulgarian troops with the Nazis on our land, along with the French, Italians, Hungarians, Romanians, Czechs, Spaniards! Greeks, Slovaks and Serbs did not go against us with the Nazis!) So that! So they are not "brothers" for a long time!

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: lopuhan2006

This is how wretched sycophants must be to give up the golden chicken from Gazprom.

They did not give up.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Quote: lopuhan2006

This is how wretched sycophants must be to give up the golden chicken from Gazprom.

They did not give up.

Refused. Refused to be a gas hub in Southern Europe, now they are just one of the transit countries in the overall gas supply chain ...

[pytar]

Refused. Refused to be a gas hub in Southern Europe, now they are just one of the transit countries in the overall gas supply chain ...

You better keep track of your GDP. This he publicly refused, the conditions of the 3EPR did not suit the monopolist. By the way, Bulgaria is still a gas hub, you look at the map of gas pipelines, and 80% of the gas stations in the Balkans are located in Bulgaria. At the same time, it turns out to make very good money, for the difference from the initially disastrous mega-duper-south stream, which would be guaranteed to go bankrupt.

[Maksim]

Yes, it hurts to be stuffed into your brothers. There are more adequate people in the Russian Federation.

[pytar]

After the South Stream, I finally understood that the Bulgarians, separated by commas, after the Romanians and Balts.

I, as a participant from the Bulgarian. country in the project, I will say one thing - there is not much else about something else, so many rumors and rushes into rus-media, as on this topic.

This is how wretched sycophants have to be to give up the golden chicken from Gazprom ...

Fear the Danaans when gifts are brought! From the oligarchs of Gazprom ...

And yet, do not forget about the Bulgarian troops with the Nazis on our land ...

And specifically, or is it not written in the manual?

So they are not "brothers" for a long time!

With someone like you, Alexey have never been brothers. But with normal Russians, yes!

[alch3mist]

Fear the Danaans when gifts are brought! From the oligarchs of Gazprom ...

That is, the better oligarchs Lokhkid-Martin ...

[Maksim]

That some, that others - no difference. Horseradish radish is sweeter.

[pytar]

That is, the better oligarchs Lokhkid-Martin ...

Even though these are respectable, old school, you can negotiate with him and they will abide by contracts. And the Russian novoryksha are extremely greedy, volatile. From my personal several years of experience working with Gazprom, I will say - we do not need to deal with this! They rob their own mercilessly, but what about strangers then?

[Maksim]

Quote: horus88

So I don't understand, is this our site, or your Bulgarian? And who are you to tell us how to comment on our articles?

And where did you get the idea that your diarrhea in relation to Bulgaria concerns only you, even if it is posted on your website?

[Borisych]

Why Bulgaria needs fighters, I don’t understand. Romanians to drive? Or again to fight off Turkey?

[pytar]

Why Bulgaria needs fighters, I don’t understand.

There is a native land, native sky and sea! They need to be protected, for that is, the ARMY, the Armed Forces, the Air Force, the Navy!

[Baron pardus]

Don't mess with Americans. Generally. This is about the same as "I and Lyova are from ONE side, and Odessa shipping company is from the OTHER side, we undertake to paint the ship".
You need fighters of generation 4, take Mirazhi 2000, Grippens or MiG-35 (though AFAR will have to be bought in another country) or J10 (it already has AFAR). And if you have money, take Rafali. Better and cheaper.

[Ross xnumx]

F-16 fighters purchased by Bulgaria turned out to be "conditionally combat-ready"

Lived. You, "brothers" are ungrateful, with "conditionally combat-ready" junk against whom are you arming yourself? To whom are you raising your tail? On those whose fathers and grandfathers, whose ancestors poured blood on your land, freeing you for various evil spirits? Did you live badly in the CMEA? You didn't know who to sell your agricultural products to? Have you forgotten about those who wanted to rest on your Black Sea coast?
So you conditional friends need it. Now you are in the same bag with the Turks and there is no need to separate you. Live as your conscience tells you, but remember that if you touch somewhere again, you will only have conditional help ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mac Sim

So keep erupting .... bile for the fun of the whole world.

Is this bile? This is just a prelude to the theme: "Friends are known in trouble." Bulgaria was asked to put a gas pipe on its shore. Was it bad? Now make fun with Ukraine every winter.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mac Sim

Gazprom is not VneshPromTorg.

What if I tell you that the majority of Russians do not believe that Gazprom is a national treasure? Do many believe that dreams come true only for Gazprom shareholders?

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[Maksim]

Here I am about that. Then what are you talking about with South Stream ?? The oligarchs of the United States have broken off the gesheft to the oligarchs of Gazprom. Neither one nor the other cares about small accompanying costs such as the dissatisfaction of local aborigines.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mac Sim

Then what are you talking about with South Stream ??

Present? Yes, Our Lord USA with you! Sawed off a branch under you and rejoice. Russia will not be ruled by oligarchs and speculation forever ... Only the United States will not give you anything for free ...

[pytar]

This is just a prelude to the theme: "Friends are known in trouble."

The origarhs have no friends, either yours or ours.

What if I tell you that the majority of Russians do not believe that Gazprom is a national treasure?

Are you suggesting that we deal with these ...? Nope ... we'd better figure it out somehow ...

By the way, your thoughts somehow contradict one another ...

Bulgaria was asked to put a gas pipe on its shore. Was it bad?

The bad thing was that as a result, they would receive sanctions, stop European projects for billions of euros, in short they would go bankrupt! I understand that "gas is everything" for you, but for us there are also things that are more important.

Now make fun with Ukraine every winter.

What are you talking about? The Balka stream is already working, the gas pipeline from Azerbaijan is ready, the gas connection to the LNG terminal in Alexandroupolis is ready, we are shareholders there, all the rules! For the first time in history, Bulgaria was given the opportunity to differentiate gas supplies, and the gas monopole was abolished. This is good, this is great!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: pytar

This is good, this is great!

It is good and great that we dislike oligarchs in the same way. It is despicable and disgusting that Russian oligarchs, for their own profit, row everything that is out of control. It is probably correct that with such “business partners” there is no need to look for enemies. But how did the monuments to Soviet soldiers prevent you? Or is it such a trick from the EU?

[pytar]

It is good and great that we dislike oligarchs in the same way.

Yuri, they are a completely different breed, predatory, cannibalistic!

But how did the monuments to Soviet soldiers prevent you?

I don’t know what you’re talking about ?! Czech Republic, Poland or what? We have all 530 monuments associated with Russia and the USSR, as they were. Moreover, over the past 20 years, we have erected another 12-14 new ones. Bulgaria is the world recorder for the concentration of monuments associated with your country.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: pytar

I don’t know what you’re talking about ?! Czech Republic, Poland or what?

Are they lying?
https://topwar.ru/170018-v-bolgarii-oskvernili-pamjatnik-sovetskim-voinam-osvoboditeljam.html
Although, there are plenty of defilers in Russia as well.

[pytar]

https://topwar.ru/170018-v-bolgarii-oskvernili-pamjatnik-sovetskim-voinam-osvoboditeljam.html

Yuri, there are 46 of my comments under this article! Detailed with photos!

Although, there are plenty of defilers in Russia as well.

There is also a comparison with the situation in the USSR / Russia, you read ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: pytar

There is also a comparison with the situation in the USSR / Russia, you read ...

I'm glad I could have been wrong. I cannot see a potential enemy (villain) in every person I meet of Slavic origin. In any case, I don’t want to.

[pytar]

I cannot see a potential enemy (villain) in every person I meet of Slavic origin.

They are enemies on TV and in the media. They seem to be their own, but they are meaner than the outside ones.

In any case, I don’t want to.

Dear Yuri, the way we treat people, so they will treat us!
May the Lord give you health and prosperity!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: pytar

as we treat people, so they will treat us!

It's right. And you do not have to be ill!

[Maksim]

Lord, one is normal here. Respect and respect !!!

[Metallurg_2]

The former "brothers" are now very conventional themselves. Why does a conventional country need a real air force?

[Maksim]

I sit and cannot understand - either the bots have come running, or all the sofa analysts have issued one training manual. No variety. Boring.

[pytar]

I sit and cannot understand - either the bots have come running, or all the sofa analysts have issued one training manual.

And this and that. Their level of "thinking" is the same.

[Maksim]

Like - intelligent bots? Here's a twist :)

[cniza]

"Brothers" under the heel of the United States and will do whatever they are told ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

As a result, the vehicles expected in late 2023 - early 2024 will arrive with a limited number of air-to-air missiles and only a few bombs without laser guidance.

There is no need to look for a problem where it does not exist. A little later the Bulgarians will buy as many bombs and missiles as they need.

[lopuhan2006]

Quote: pytar

After the South Stream, I finally understood that the Bulgarians, separated by commas, after the Romanians and Balts.

I, as a participant from the Bulgarian. country in the project, I will say one thing - there is not much else about something else, so many rumors and rushes into rus-media, as on this topic.

This is how wretched sycophants have to be to give up the golden chicken from Gazprom ...

Fear the Danaans when gifts are brought! From the oligarchs of Gazprom ...

And yet, do not forget about the Bulgarian troops with the Nazis on our land ...

And specifically, or is it not written in the manual?

So they are not "brothers" for a long time!

With someone like you, Alexey have never been brothers. But with normal Russians, yes!

You will ask Yugoslavia and Greece, visit the museum in Plovdiv with Arado-196 as a specialist in Soviet submarines, about the transit of German troops to the east and their treatment, about the village of Boinik in Serbia and your General Vasil Boydev, etc. It is, of course, hard to admit that it was wrong with the allies. So you are no stranger to, then with Hitler, then with NATO.

[pytar]

[Quote] You ask Yugoslavia and Greece ... [/ Quote]
We have 13 centuries of war and bloodshed from the Serbs and Greeks. It is unwise and unobjective to choose a short historical period, so that some are bad and others are good. If desired, everyone will have a bunch of complaints about others.

[quote].... visit the museum in Plovdiv with Arado-196 as a specialist in Soviet submarines .../ Quote]
Alone saved ekz. Arago-196 is in the Naval Museum Varna, not in Plovdiv.

[Quote] ... about the transit of German troops to the east and their treatment, about the village of Boinik in Serbia and your General Vasil Boydev, etc. ... [/ Quote]
There was that, but there was also a partisan movement, there was also a large-scale participation of the Bulgarian army in the war against the Wehrmacht. But for some reason you won't mention them. Selectively "work" ...

By the way, you did not put up any evidence in confirmation of your hardening:
[Quote]And yet, do not forget about the Bulgarian troops with the Nazis on our land ... [/ Quote]
Where on your land, the Bulgarian fought along with the Nazis, will you tell me? I'll tell you, we did not fight together with the Nazis, but together with the Red Army against them! There are Bulgarian Heroes of the Soviet Union! BGA Commander-in-Chief Gen. Stoychev marched on Red Square for the Victory Parade, did you know this?

[Quote] It is, of course, hard to admit that it was wrong with the allies. So you are no stranger to, then with Hitler, then with NATO. [/ Quote]
Yes, it is you in WWI, you didn’t guess with the allies. Yes, and with Hitler until June 22, 41, they actively cooperated in a friendly manner. With NATO too, until 2014 ... So your claim is out of place.

[komuso]

[quote] ... visit a museum in Plovdiv with Arado-196 as a specialist in Soviet submarines ... / quote]
Alone saved ekz. Arago-196 is in the Naval Museum Varna, not in Plovdiv.
Thy is wrong here. Arado-196A-3 really was in the exposition of the Maritime Museum in Varna, in the late 80s some Soviet admiral, when visiting the museum, raised a scandal how can a "fascist" plane is in the museum. It is good that there were several patriots who were bought from the Arado landfill, and kept it until the opening of the Aviation Museum in Plovdiv, to which it was transferred either in 1990 or in 1992. The second time in the 20s it was restored by the enthusiasts of aviation. I don’t know what state it is now. And the second time, it was the only one that survived, in the 2000-80s in Norway another Arado 90 was raised from the sea, but it is of a different modification of Arado. -196A196 (deck version) and he served on one of the German cruiser cruisers. The Norgi restored it and now it is in some kind of museum.

[pytar]

Shas checked, I was wrong. I accept the note. Indeed located in Krumovo near Plovdiv.

[Maksim]

Quote: Lara Croft

Read the text of the article:

My grandmother taught me - do not read articles before breakfast, and after dinner - too. Who told you that the bullshit in the articles is true?

[Maksim]

Quote: ROSS 42

Oligarchs and speculation will not rule in Russia forever ...

As the Armenian radio said, it has already happened (since). Get used to living with oligarchs. You loved your chance in 1992.

[Hippo]

F-16 Block 70 - APG 83 radar ?!

[komuso]

He is the very. In the first contract, there were 8 + 2 spare parts (as well as 8 + 2 engines), then they were cut down to 8 + 1

[Rock616]

Well, what did you want, the vassals must by any means support their master economically, even if they themselves are almost dead.
I especially liked the amount of 1.3 lard and the number of bricks that the slaves undertook to buy from their master.