Do we need such a memory? Disgrace in Yelets

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I didn't think that the topic raised in the spring would have a continuation. Yes, there were criticisms then about Anapa and Crimea, but alas, I had to continue.

But now the focus was not on the south, but on the central part of Russia. More precisely - the Lipetsk region and the town of Yelets.



By the way, since 2007 it has been a city of military glory.

Yelets is one of the pearls of Russia along with the cities of the Golden Ring. In terms of age and beauty, well, it will not yield to anything.

During the Great Patriotic War, Yelets was captured by Nazi troops for 4 days. During the Yelets offensive operation, conducted by units of the Southwestern Front (commanded by Marshal S.K. Timoshenko), he was released on December 9, 1941. During the occupation of Orel, Yelets, which was part of the Oryol region, served as the regional center.

This is story.

The present day of Yelets is the lot of all small towns. That is, survival on a small budget.

In principle, a person from the outside can see that the city authorities are trying to do something: roads are being repaired, the center is in a very decent condition, and in general the town gives rise to ambiguous feelings. Especially when you realize that there was enough money for repairs, but not there.






Churches throughout the city are being renovated, it is noticeable. The frankly sad things are also striking, such as the ruins of the tobacco-makhorka factory of the merchant Zausailov.


Who from Soviet times does not remember the famous: "Cosmos Yelets - smoked and * you will not be well *". Although before the revolution, the makhorka from Yelets was very well known. Members of the imperial family gave their attention to the products of the Yeletsk factory.

The building looks so-so today. But this is a large building, and I agree that it should take a lot of time and money to turn it into a cultural and historical center.

By the way, as an option (well, let me be smart) is to combine in one building all the branches of the local history museum, which are scattered throughout the center. Visitors would be comfortable.

Moreover, the Yelets museums really have something to see. But this is a completely separate conversation.

But what I would like to talk about is the monument to the soldiers of the Great Patriotic War. And talk from the heart, because in Yelets even Anapa was surpassed in this regard. Although I thought that it could hardly be worse than in Anapa.

However, here ... judge for yourself.


Firstly, the presence on the pedestal itself tank The T-72, which, to put it mildly, is not close in historical terms, is already unpleasant. But if the T-72 was brought to such a state, I can imagine what the T-34 would look like.

Okay, in Voronezh there is also such a monument to the defenders of the Voronezh sky during the Great Patriotic War. MiG-21.

Do we need such a memory? Disgrace in Yelets

But what Kozhedub had at that time, he shared with the city. And thanks for that.

But to what extent must there be a lack of conscience to bring a monument to such a state? This pink pedestal evokes very bad analogies.


Yes, this is Kiev. Of course, Yelets is far from the capital of Ukraine, but nevertheless.

And in general, how appropriate is such a color in the design? I don’t know, maybe the pedestal once was of some other color, but now it looks just obscene.

Like a rusty tank and a grassy plinth. How can you place something in such a luxurious "place of memory"?

Well, only tightly blindfolded, not otherwise.

And here's a monument to a healthy city. Even not a city, an urban settlement, the population is three times less than Yelets. Ostrogozhsk, Voronezh region.


It is worth paying attention to the fact that the tank is painted in the "correct" color (which is a rarity today) and stands on a decent pedestal. And this is an urban settlement of 30 thousand people.

In general, it is a shame for Yelets. The case when a piece of power is not insulting, but painfully ashamed. You can babble as much as you like to all representatives of the Yelets authorities that the city's budget ...

What about the budget of conscience? Exhausted too?

Meanwhile, on the website of the city administration of Yelets (https://elets-adm.ru/) you can see this. On the home page.


Interestingly, someone contacted about this functionality?

And surely in the city administration there are members of the very “United Russia” that builds roads and churches, repairs everything and fights for the cost of the “borsch set”.

And what about the implementation of the provisions of the Constitution, for which our President Putin so advocated? And in which points were made about the protection of historical heritage and memory?

Of course, the Constitution is one thing, but the budget for the paint for the monument is quite another. And there is no need to compare one with the other.

And here we come to the most interesting.

We, representatives of Voennoye Obozreniye, a publication that has always stood on the real defense of our history, albeit in a word, but in a correct word, decided to try to rectify the situation.

Yes, often our readers in their comments ask the question: "Well, what exactly does the author offer?" Now is the moment when the author offers a very clear and sane plan.

Namely, paint the tank and the pedestal. Since the city has neither the strength nor the means.

We expect that this article will be seen not only by indifferent gentlemen from the administration (and they will definitely see it), but also by the residents of Yeltsk who care. We will help you see, yes. And our initiative will be supported from below and will help with its implementation.

We will purchase the required amount of paint, wash and clean the tank and paint it. The well-known Alex TV will participate in this issue as a technical consultant (and who knows tanks better than him?), So there is a certain confidence that everything will be as it should be.

This is our plan. All that remains is to find caring assistants in Yelets and do such a thing. But there is confidence that we can handle it.
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  1. +24
    23 August 2021 15: 11
    The author is recognized from the first paragraphs. laughing
    I fully support the attraction of Alex TV, and I wish him good health (today he needs such wishes). As the head of a large family, I can’t allocate a lot of funds, but I’ll throw my own penny. The question is where?
    1. +10
      23 August 2021 15: 17
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      The author is recognized from the first paragraphs.

      I learned from the title of the article.
    2. +10
      23 August 2021 16: 04
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      The author is recognized from the first paragraphs

      Is this good or bad ? what In any case, I like that the Author has his own, recognizable from the first letters style ("handwriting")! That is why I like E. Damantsev (By the way, where is he? I miss him!), Verkhoturov (I am also worried!), Mitrofanov and "others" ...! Everyone has their own recognizable "handwriting", which is very convenient! You can almost by the title, immediately (or almost ...) identify the author ... and immediately decide: to read or immediately write a critical comment without reading ... read with speed "with feeling, really, arrangement ..." or at the speed of MG-42 ... And who are they interfering with? Everyone has already divided the "genres of literary creativity" and peacefully chew honestly earned sausage sandwiches ... without dust and fights! drinks
    3. +23
      23 August 2021 16: 11
      It is strange that the author cited the example of a T-34-85 without red stars. Earlier in one of his articles, he considered this a violation.
      Well, the Kiev installation, as a comparison, is inappropriate - it is not a monument but the artist's imagination "No war".
      1. 0
        23 August 2021 22: 28
        "I am an artist - this is how I see it" (C) laughing
        1. +9
          24 August 2021 09: 16
          For such artists, they have now come up with a beautiful word - installation.
          But the leader is right, this is not a monument, and the author's comparison is not entirely successful.
          Although in general he is right ...
    4. +2
      23 August 2021 20: 02
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      The question is where

      I join the question.
    5. +1
      24 August 2021 08: 04
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      but I'll throw my penny. The question is where?

      The same question! .... Where? What I can - I will help
    6. +7
      24 August 2021 11: 25
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      I fully support the attraction of Alex TV, and I wish him good health (today he needs such wishes). As the head of a large family, I can’t allocate a lot of funds, but I’ll throw my own penny. The question is where?


      Hello, hello!
      hi
      Thank you!
      Mutually.))
      Nothing, let's break through. The body must live strictly according to the Charter, otherwise is punishable.))
      laughing

      By Tank:
      Roman wrote his suggestions, I duplicate them in general comments:
      Our paint, Army:
      Perchlorovinyl enamel XB-16, dark green. Or XB-1110, XB-1120, dark green.
      There was also a series of NTs-1200, but I hardly remember it, I could be mistaken.
      Degreasing with xylene or solvent R-4 (646) is probably too bother.
      Simply brush off the peeling paint with a metal brush and go with a degreaser.
      There is no spray gun.
      How to paint? With a brush and a sponge?
      Any suggestions?
      And how much to buy paint? 50-60kg in two layers?
      We have never painted one tank ...))
      Fuel oil, men - write your suggestions, the herd is somehow more fun to think.
      --------
      On the pedestal - how to paint concrete is not strong !!!
      Probably a roller in two layers.
      Preparation?
      Primer for sure.
      And remove the old Paint from the pedestal?
      ......
      People, write practical advice, otherwise if we paint, then we need to do it well !!!

      If I succeed, I will also take part in painting.))
      drinks
      1. +4
        24 August 2021 12: 17
        If in 1 layer then 10-12kg. quite enough. Well, the solvent, respectively.
        1. +4
          24 August 2021 12: 27
          Quote: Old Tanker
          If in 1 layer then 10-12kg. quite enough. Well, the solvent, respectively.

          Thank you, Sergey!
          hi
          I forgot that the capping is 10kg.
          Two layers means no more than 25kg.
      2. +2
        24 August 2021 12: 20
        The color should be considered according to the estimates of builders or machine builders and examples of estimates. They can be viewed in the internet by searching for "metal color estimate coefficients" and then on the estimator forum showing the estimate and asking to correct mistakes made due to inexperience.
      3. +1
        24 August 2021 13: 11
        On the pedestal - how to paint concrete is not strong !!!
        Probably a roller in two layers.
        Preparation?
        Primer for sure.
        And remove the old Paint from the pedestal?


        Sandblast for a start, I guess. I myself have not done such work, but nothing else comes to mind. smile
      4. +3
        24 August 2021 13: 15
        Quote: Aleks tv
        If I succeed, I will also take part in painting.))


        We'll bring you where you go, Comrade Colonel ...
      5. +4
        24 August 2021 13: 53
        You know, when I served, we had three "sponsored" tanks - T 72 and IS3 on the territory of the school and T 34 85 on the Bolshevik metro station.
        But there was the USSR and the colors were "immeasurable". Who did not count there!
        There were probably some norms, but ... you understand.
        And the pedestal needs to be painted with facade paint. Preferably imported and in 2 layers.
      6. 0
        27 August 2021 09: 49
        Hi Aleksey! The concrete is cleaned in the mind with a grinder (grinder), then it is primed, then painted either with a roller or with a spray gun. The simplest spray gun that does not require electricity is the KRDP. Manual pneumatic. I didn’t paint tanks, I won’t say laughing
        "In one of the brigades of the Southern Military District, Izvestia was told that on average, a T-72 (T-90) tank takes about 40 kg of paint." https://iz.ru/news/547881
        1. 0
          28 August 2021 08: 40
          ... The concrete is cleaned in the mind with a grinder (grinder), then it is primed, then painted either with a roller or with a spray gun. The simplest spray gun that does not require electricity is the KRDP.

          Hello Ivan!
          hi
          Thank you!

          Well, already the whole Stroybat is connected.))
          Well, a concrete pedestal, Well, wait !!!
          fellow
          1. 0
            28 August 2021 14: 58
            Lyokha, I would have come and really connected, but it's too far for me. Work will not understand. She's a fool laughing
    7. +6
      24 August 2021 13: 14
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      The author is recognized from the first paragraphs


      Is it a zrad or overdrive?

      Igor, thank you, Alexey really joined in, dug up all the norms, how much paint is needed and which one, so the process began.
      1. 0
        25 August 2021 06: 39
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Is it a zrad or overdrive?

        This is style, Roman! wink
  2. +10
    23 August 2021 15: 12
    the monument was opened on May 8, 2005. The tank is a symbol of heroism and courage shown in December 1941 during the defense of Yelets by tankmen of the 150th separate tank brigade of the 13th Army of the Southwestern Front. The baptism of fire of the famous tank division took place in Yelets.

    Since in 2005 it was impossible to find military equipment of the times of the Great Patriotic War, it was decided to install the T-34 tank instead of the T-72 tank. The decommissioned and demilitarized tank was delivered to Yelets from a military repair plant in the Krasnodar Territory.
    1. +21
      23 August 2021 15: 20
      Quote: Nastia Makarova
      Since in 2005 it was impossible to find military equipment of the times of the Great Patriotic War

      You are wrong, the technique is complete. These are both T-34 and ISU-152. On the IS-3 kraynyak. Not a shortage. hi
      1. +2
        23 August 2021 15: 23
        in 2005 could not find
        1. +17
          23 August 2021 15: 28
          Nastya, either they were looking badly, or they didn’t want to look. hi
          1. +6
            23 August 2021 15: 33
            maybe they were looking badly))) but the authorities are obliged to monitor the state of the monument
            1. +2
              23 August 2021 16: 40
              Nastya, good afternoon. Glad to see on the site.
              It is correctly said: "the authorities are obliged to monitor the state of the monument
          2. +4
            23 August 2021 16: 21
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Nastya, either they were looking badly, or they didn’t want to look.

            Somehow I came across a note that in connection with the "indifference of citizens" who rent everything and everything for scrap metal, finding the T-34-85 has already become a problem. It was in the 10s. It was no longer necessary to talk about such exotic as the Isu-152. By the way, I think the purchase of T-34-85 in Laos is also evidence of this problem.
            1. +4
              24 August 2021 12: 24
              No tanks were bought in Laos. They were given away free of charge for the replacement T-72s.
          3. +1
            23 August 2021 18: 38
            Or maybe the question is completely different. In the matter of benefits.
          4. fiv
            +3
            24 August 2021 11: 42
            I looked now. From RUB 16 Our city hall's car fleet is more expensive. Plus fireworks for May 700 and City Day. And why is the tank stern to the nameplate? I would install on the side of the pedestal
        2. +11
          23 August 2021 19: 14
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          in 2005 could not find

          In 2005, the Museum of the Military Glory of the Urals (Verkhnyaya Pyshma) was born. Today one of the largest museums in Russia and the CIS.



          1. +3
            24 August 2021 11: 38
            Wonderful museum. But there are nuances here.
            Firstly, a significant part of the exhibits are replicas, either self-made or assembled according to the type of "collect one from 2,3,4". To their credit, they honestly write about it on the tablets.
            Secondly, this is URAL and there are tank factories where you can still collect something else on the bottom of the barrel.
            Thirdly, not begging for the merits of the UMMC leadership, but they were greatly helped by the military, who provided most of the equipment.

            There are no such opportunities in Yelets.

            As for the T-34-85 in Ostrogozhsk, Voronezh region, this is a typical monument that was erected in the 70s-80s of the last century. For this, decommissioned tanks from combat units were used.

            And the state is really not very good. But this is possibly a consequence of recent events in the form of pandemics. The last time I was there was three years ago and the tank was in fair condition.
            Here I think, if I'm wrong, the locals will correct me.
            1. +2
              24 August 2021 12: 29
              And what prevented to put a replica close to the original. I suspect the price. Most likely, the T-72 from the Ministry of Defense got free of charge.
      2. 0
        25 August 2021 11: 14
        Quote: Lesovik
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        I do not agree

        Quote: Andrey VOV
        the question of desire seems to me and the lack of formalism

        In the 70s, they could not find a suitable fighter for Voronezh.

        Remember what materials our fighters were made of during the war and the question of why in the 70s (30 years after the war) they could not find a suitable fighter, I think it will disappear. Yes, they probably didn't, because obviously a tree covered with a rag won't last long. Including there are objective problems with the originality of the aircraft-monuments. On the Minsk highway near Mozhaisk, the Yak-3 is a remake, and the MiG-3 is also under Tarusa. In Nizhny Novgorod La-5 (in the Kremlin) - the same. These are the ones that I remembered.
    2. +9
      23 August 2021 15: 24
      I disagree, you can still find a tank from the times of the war, even if not the T-34-76, but a later modification, but you can, the question of desire seems to me and the absence of formalism
      1. +4
        23 August 2021 15: 31
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        I do not agree

        Quote: Andrey VOV
        the question of desire seems to me and the lack of formalism

        In the 70s, they could not find a suitable fighter for Voronezh.
        1. +7
          23 August 2021 15: 33
          With planes, I think it's more difficult, a battered tank and even one pulled out of a swamp or river can be restored, well, of course, depending on what condition it is in, but nevertheless, a crashed and exploded plane is unlikely
          1. 0
            23 August 2021 15: 46
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            a battered tank and even one pulled out of a swamp or river can be restored

            I would venture to suggest that at the beginning of the XNUMXs there was no time for searches and restorations. Only a couple of years have passed since the salaries were stopped for months.
          2. 0
            26 August 2021 08: 31
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            With planes, I think it's more difficult, a battered tank and even one pulled out of a swamp or river can be restored, well, of course, depending on what condition it is in, but nevertheless, a crashed and exploded plane is unlikely

            Nevertheless, they find it, restore it to the best of their ability and ability and put it on pedestals.

            Sat-2 settlement Vysoky, Murmansk region

            IL-4 Severomorsk

            IL-2 Novosibirsk

            Yak-3 Mozhaisk
        2. +1
          23 August 2021 18: 52
          By the way, at the entrance to the city of Kashira there is a monument to the yak-1, it was specially made according to old schemes and drawings in Belarus and was brought and assembled in parts.
        3. +5
          24 August 2021 06: 47
          Quote: Lesovik
          In the 70s, they could not find a suitable fighter for Voronezh.

          It was then necessary to look for those who can make a copy. For example, Vyacheslav Verevochkin, an enthusiast, makes tanks from scrap iron himself. What can I say, be it the capabilities of factories and creative teams. In the photo, Verevochkin and his tanks.

        4. +1
          24 August 2021 12: 31
          Plywood and percale are short-lived materials. So there are more problems with aircraft than with armor.
        5. 0
          24 August 2021 21: 13
          In Mozhaisk they made themselves, in 1966, from metal, according to the model (a close replica of the Yak-3, and it turned out well) ... The monument is looked after by JSC "MORP" (Mozhaisk wholesale and retail enterprise)
      2. Alf
        +2
        23 August 2021 20: 58
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        the question of desire seems to me and the lack of formalism

        The question sounds like this - And so it goes. And we are still amazed at the Wehrmacht soldiers on the Victory posters ...
      3. Bog
        0
        25 August 2021 13: 31
        Everything is both simple and complex, to some extent.
        Simply:
        Over the past 10 years, only in the Voronezh region, about 20 tanks of the Great Patriotic War were raised (including the Shermans, which are now in the Patriot Park)
        Hard:
        All lifted equipment was sent to Moscow, or rather to the Ministry of Defense, tk. belongs to this department.
    3. +3
      23 August 2021 16: 25
      Quote: Nastia Makarova
      the monument was opened on May 8, 2005. The tank is a symbol of heroism and courage shown in December 1941 during the defense of Yelets by tankmen of the 150th separate tank brigade of the 13th Army of the Southwestern Front. The baptism of fire of the famous tank division took place in Yelets.

      Since in 2005 it was impossible to find military equipment of the times of the Great Patriotic War, it was decided to install the T-34 tank instead of the T-72 tank. The decommissioned and demilitarized tank was delivered to Yelets from a military repair plant in the Krasnodar Territory.

      T-34s are regularly taken out of the swamps, but they are sent to private museums of "rich buratins", so "it was impossible to find" is a very inept excuse
      1. +16
        23 August 2021 16: 35
        Quote: Niko
        T-34s are regularly taken out of the swamps, but they are sent to private museums of "rich buratins", so "it was impossible to find" is a very inept excuse

        You can find anything you want. The question is who will pay for the banquet. By the way, we have already repeatedly sailed abroad the rarest found samples. Brewster Buffalo to Finland, Airacobra to America. Messers and Fokkers. In general, it seems that only the Zadorozhny Museum is engaged in the preservation of technology. The rest of the drum. Both citizens and the state.
        1. +3
          23 August 2021 16: 59
          So it is, just phrases like: "it was impossible to find" only cover up the present: "I didn't want to strain", "no difference", "and so it will do", etc.
          1. +5
            23 August 2021 18: 09
            Quote: Niko
            So it is, just phrases like: "it was impossible to find" only cover up the present: "I didn't want to strain", "no difference", "and so it will do", etc.

            Let's try to figure it out. I will repeat the thesis once again: you can find anything for money. Up to the aircraft carrier. The question of money. T-34 can be bought, for example, in a foreign museum. But where in Yelets to find money for this? And according to various funds in the country, that is, from the reserves of military units, most likely nothing can be found. But if in the chat there are caring rich patrons who are in pain for the shame of Yelets, and their fists involuntarily clench by themselves, then they may well sponsor the purchase of a real T-34.
            1. +3
              23 August 2021 21: 42
              I will not argue, but I think if I look at the governor, mayor, police chief, etc. there you can buy a T-90x regiment
            2. 0
              27 August 2021 10: 57
              and on the Russian-Chinese border from the URorv have already taken away everything? Or from the Kuril Islands?
    4. -4
      23 August 2021 22: 34
      [Since in 2005 it was impossible to find military equipment of the times of the Great Patriotic War, it was decided to install the T-34 tank instead of the T-72 tank. ] Oh, whether))) I do not believe absolutely .. What can be found in the Russian Federation, what can be brought from Southeast Asia - there would be a desire. Moreover, even from abroad, you can bring at the price of scrap without a warhead.
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  4. +4
    23 August 2021 15: 14
    How? On the example of Tomsk, I can say. Any ushatany tank, or a plane, it doesn't matter, is taken from the nearest military unit and solemnly handed over to the city authorities. Since the city has a budget deficit for a long time (all money is sent to poor Muscovy), the authorities naturally have no money, so they paint it with what they have and put it on a pedestal.
  5. +5
    23 August 2021 15: 19
    What's so surprising? These issues are being dealt with by officials, who don't give a damn about everything and who are also trying not to forget themselves. The result is obvious. The governor or the head of the city was informed about the fulfillment, he went upstairs, everyone calmed down. They put asphalt in puddles and snow slurry and nothing, they will report as if they should. But they would have given a kick to the performer and the one who accepted the job, deducted from his income to cover losses, but they would have been banned from engaging in such activities for 10 years, you see, there would be more order in the country.
    1. +1
      23 August 2021 16: 30
      Quote: Ros 56
      What's so surprising? These issues are being dealt with by officials, who don't give a damn about everything and who are also trying not to forget themselves. The result is obvious. The governor or the head of the city was informed about the fulfillment, he went upstairs, everyone calmed down. They put asphalt in puddles and snow slurry and nothing, they will report as if they should. But they would have given a kick to the performer and the one who accepted the job, deducted from his income to cover losses, but they would have been banned from engaging in such activities for 10 years, you see, there would be more order in the country.

      Well, here of course how to look. Officials, of course, are indifferent and do not understand anything. But here was an example with two raised Shermans, one was restored with a bang, the other was equipped with track links from BMP and fenders. And the military seemed to be doing it. Well, the well-known Patriot Park with the restoration of tyap bloopers, it will suit. The department and oversight of Shoigu, however.
      1. Bog
        0
        25 August 2021 13: 15
        Those who were raised under the Watchtower?
  6. +7
    23 August 2021 15: 23
    Yes, this T72 as a memory of the war causes bewilderment, to put it mildly. When I saw it for the first time, I thought it was a monument to Afghans or soldiers who fought in Chechnya, but no .. Afghans square with technology in another place .. Very strange ...
    Roman, visit Zadonsk, the city and regional authorities really tried to restore the famous monument to the mother of Maria Frolova, who cut her 8 sons, and the memorial park ... there is a modern aircraft, but here I think it's forgivable, a wartime tank is probably easier to find.
    1. +5
      23 August 2021 16: 26
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      Yes, this T72 as a memory of the war causes bewilderment, to put it mildly. When I saw it for the first time, I thought it was a monument to Afghans or soldiers who fought in Chechnya, but no .. Afghans square with technology in another place .. Very strange ...

      If you approach from the point of view of a hook and a pedant, then in the Prokhorovka memorial there is no authentic technique, solid post-war remakes. The placement of modern technology in Victory Parks, in my opinion, does not introduce dissonance, but complements the exposition and adds variety. As, for example, in Tambov or Voronezh, or the Patriot Park in Kamensk-Shakhtinsk.
      1. +1
        23 August 2021 17: 23
        The fact that there was no equipment for Prokhorovka of those years is certainly bad ...
  7. 0
    23 August 2021 15: 23
    Yes, and when are you planning to hold this event?
  8. +5
    23 August 2021 15: 25
    The building looks so-so today. But this is a large building, and I agree that it should take a lot of time and money to turn it into a cultural and historical center.
    It would just be great .. but with money everywhere trouble. Surprisingly, almost 100 years ago, there was no money either, scientific institutes and museums were opened. Now, spin as you like, "but so that in half an hour it was dry, light and bearish in the forest!" ( with)
    1. +1
      23 August 2021 15: 34
      There are many similar abandoned or destroyed buildings of the past centuries in the dace.
      1. +3
        23 August 2021 15: 42
        But there is no money for restoration, and if it was restored, it would probably be an attractive town for tourists as well. I looked, there seems to be an industry and it is not bad for a 100-seat population. But apparently there is not enough for everything. Although, here's another: There are 226 historical and cultural monuments in the city, 90 of them are of regional and federal significance. Up to a third of these monuments have been destroyed, replaced with new structures (for example, the railway warehouses built in 1894, demolished by the railway at the Yelets-Tovarnaya station) or clad with siding, rebuilt.
        1. +4
          23 August 2021 15: 50
          Industry?? In Yelets ?? There is a transformer plant, reinforced concrete, a cement plant ... And the ruins of a huge radio tube can be seen driving through the city .. They plan to build several factories in the vicinity of the SEZ, and mainly focus on agriculture and its processing, huge textile complexes not far from the city. Well, two zones within the city
          1. 0
            23 August 2021 20: 24
            The battery / accumulator industry is still alive. On its territory, even the GPS is buggy laughing
            1. +2
              23 August 2021 21: 12
              In the 90s, Elets, when you drive along the side of the road, as now all sorts of televisions, kinesopes, lamps in the evening or at night, everything shone like that, there were no scarves then and all the traffic through the city was.
    2. Aag
      0
      24 August 2021 20: 06
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      The building looks so-so today. But this is a large building, and I agree that it should take a lot of time and money to turn it into a cultural and historical center.
      It would just be great .. but with money everywhere trouble. Surprisingly, almost 100 years ago, there was no money either, scientific institutes and museums were opened. Now, spin as you like, "but so that in half an hour it was dry, light and bearish in the forest!" ( with)

      Plus for the quote!))) Apparently, it was worth referring to the source (film "The same Munchausen" M. Zakharov, Schwartz ...) ...
      hi
      Sorry, but, IMHO, a few, we are not in the subject ... ((( hi
  9. 0
    23 August 2021 15: 25
    It's a good thing, we are waiting for the details from Roman.
  10. +7
    23 August 2021 15: 53
    Do we need such a memory? Disgrace in Yelets

    It is possible to completely share the anger and bewilderment of the author, but can the topic take "shirshe"? For example, why is one of the elements of the architectural ensemble of the Main Square of the country "shrouded" in the capital of the Russian Federation? About the banners of the defeated units, which were thrown at its foot, and Frau Merkel laying flowers .... winked
    Maybe this question is more relevant? winked
    1. 0
      23 August 2021 15: 57
      And the eternal flame is covered with something?
    2. Aag
      0
      24 August 2021 20: 12
      Quote: Radikal
      Do we need such a memory? Disgrace in Yelets

      It is possible to completely share the anger and bewilderment of the author, but can the topic take "shirshe"? For example, why is one of the elements of the architectural ensemble of the Main Square of the country "shrouded" in the capital of the Russian Federation? About the banners of the defeated units, which were thrown at its foot, and Frau Merkel laying flowers .... winked
      Maybe this question is more relevant? winked

      Apparently relevant.
      Because it sets the vector for the rest of the officials, sets priorities (tax collection, government support ... - IMHO, - worse than in the late USSR ... ((().
  11. +3
    23 August 2021 16: 02
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    And the eternal flame is covered with something?

    Are you asking me seriously? Then He will have nothing left to maintain the image of the bearer. He would have extinguished it too (for Frau Merkel) if he had not understood how it would end! Did I answer the question? sad
    1. +1
      23 August 2021 17: 24
      I asked the question without any irony, more or less
  12. +2
    23 August 2021 16: 25
    Colleagues, Roman, good afternoon
    Let me give you my opinion.
    1) there are probably no more T-34 tanks
    2) that the pedestal and the tank in such a state is of course a disgrace, but in fairness: who is the head of the Ostrogozh administration?
    1. Alf
      +4
      23 August 2021 21: 02
      Quote: Astra wild2
      there are probably no more T-34 tanks

      The T-34 and IS-2 tanks were officially decommissioned by the Russian Army in 1995 by order of the Minister of Defense. In 10 years, they would hardly have had time to sell or melt everything.
      1. Aag
        +2
        24 August 2021 20: 15
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: Astra wild2
        there are probably no more T-34 tanks

        The T-34 and IS-2 tanks were officially decommissioned by the Russian Army in 1995 by order of the Minister of Defense. In 10 years, they would hardly have had time to sell or melt everything.

        From me to you a plus ... But !! ... And a more noticeable "metal" (aircraft-carrying cruisers) was sold ... Sometimes, under a general hooting ...))))
    2. BAI
      +7
      23 August 2021 22: 35
      1. The author cites Ostrogozhsk as a positive example. If this tank is there alone, then I saw it. There is also an ISU-152 in the vicinity of the city, in some village.
      2. Tanks T-34 - the sea. Especially if you are not looking on the go. Even the T-34-76 can be found. I already wrote that one comrade (Sergei Chibineev) is restoring tanks in Mamontovka, Pushkin District, Moscow Region.




      T-34-76.
      The tank went to the museum (Verkhnyaya Pyshma), of course, with a cannon. Chibineev restored.
      1. +6
        24 August 2021 06: 55
        Colleague VAI, that's about such a person and you need to tell on the site
        1. 0
          24 August 2021 21: 20
          Yes, yes .. I support!
    3. +1
      24 August 2021 07: 37
      And here's a monument to a healthy city.
      Even not a city, an urban settlement, the population is three times less than Yelets. Ostrogozhsk, Voronezh region.


      but in fairness: who is the head of the Ostrogozh administration?


      It is easier in Ostrogozhsk, there is a training car brigade, there used to be a regiment of military unit 20115. In this unit, drivers for MAZ 543 and similar tractors are trained, I was also trained, and T-34-85 were installed on the trawls for practical training with semi-trailers. Maybe they gave it to the administration.
  13. +3
    23 August 2021 16: 47
    Dear Roman! Why didn't you add the monument located in the regional center to the Yeletsky monument?
    In Lipetsk, there is a monument to the fallen crew of the Yak-28! But when the monument was erected in 1969, the MiG-19 was used! Disorder ...
    What do you think - needs to be corrected for accuracy?
    And our Lipetsk region also had the Usman Tobacco Factory.
    Here are its products you should "taste"! Yes, alas. Long gone ...
    1. +1
      23 August 2021 17: 25
      There is still tobacco in the dace, but they say they will soon be closed completely, or maybe they have already closed it,
      1. +1
        23 August 2021 18: 02
        LLC "Eletskaya Tobacco Factory" was liquidated on 28.11.2007.
        And in 2020, the processing of raw tobacco was closed. Owned by Japan Tobacco International ...
        That's all the "tobacco" from Yelets!
        1. +1
          23 August 2021 18: 21
          Well, to know and the processing was closed, now there is only that open post and that's it
  14. 0
    23 August 2021 18: 06
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    I asked the question without any irony, more or less

    And me too... . bully
  15. +2
    23 August 2021 18: 26
    https://gorod48.ru/news/1918141/
    There is already a reaction to the material
  16. 0
    23 August 2021 21: 50
    In principle, a person from the outside can see that the city authorities are trying to do something: roads are being repaired, the center is in a very decent condition, and in general the town gives rise to ambiguous feelings. Especially when you realize that there was enough money for repairs, but not there.

    Churches throughout the city are being renovated, it is noticeable. The frankly sad things are also striking, such as the ruins of the tobacco-makhorka factory of the merchant Zausailov.

    And surely in the city administration there are members of the very “United Russia” that builds roads and churches, repairs everything and fights for the cost of the “borsch set”.

    Shame and continuous questions to the city authorities ???
    Yes, often our readers in their comments ask the question: "Well, what exactly does the author offer?" Now is the moment when the author offers a very clear and sane plan.
    Namely, paint the tank and the pedestal. Since the city has neither the strength nor the means.

    Perhaps just such a decision is awaiting the administration of the city of Yelets?
    And now I have a question for the Chief Commander and concurrently the Head of the Military Historical Society of All Russia - What are they really doing and is it not their direct task to bring all the monuments in proper order, and not just to erect churches?
    Maybe the author had to first signal there in order to observe the hierarchy and offer them to help, if they do not have enough funds or it is difficult with human resources (everyone probably went to the pre-election front).
  17. +2
    23 August 2021 21: 52
    With the world on a string ......... what , bureaucrats will watch from the window as the people carry out repairs with their own money. The bureaucrats later, according to the documents (fake, allegedly they repaired it), the bobble from the regional or some other budget will be cut down.
  18. BAI
    +5
    23 August 2021 22: 21
    The Yeletskoye LPUMG of Gazprom transgaz Moscow operates on the territory of Yelets. As well as on the territory of Ostrogozhsk - Ostrogozhskoe LPUMG. It makes sense to contact the trade union organization of Gazprom Transgaz Moscow LLC or the Public Relations Service for assistance in putting the monument in order within the framework of the Watch of Memory. Transgaz Moscow has many sponsored military monuments in its jurisdictions, which are being looked after. This, most likely, is not included, but it is quite possible that they will not refuse help. "Watch of memory" there is not a formal matter, but at the behest of the soul. The General Director personally takes part in the work, if the work schedule allows.
    More than 600 soldiers were found and reburied over several years.
  19. +1
    24 August 2021 08: 36
    We also painted the tank in an incomprehensible light green color. A local hero was found who sacrificed his freedom for 15 days and painted red paint from a can. He was imprisoned, and the tank was repainted in a normal military green color after the scandal.
  20. -1
    24 August 2021 09: 09
    I did not understand why the author was "drowning". For a neat and well-groomed monument, or for historical accuracy. Finding the T-34 during the war is problematic. Putting a post-war T-34 production in the Czech Republic is no better.
  21. -2
    24 August 2021 11: 05
    Local bureaucrats from e. R. created. We spent a lot of money and delicious kickbacks happened. And they don't give a damn about memory, the main thing is that there should be more 500 euros in their wallets. The armature would still be fitted ...
  22. 0
    24 August 2021 11: 22
    The war went on in many places. And 76 years after the victory, finding a real T34 is not easy enough. Unless you just buy somewhere in Africa or Asia from a store, as they did a few years ago, buying those that now go to the parade on May 9.
    But some T55 or 72 just cost thousands of useless throughout the country. An example is the city of Gusinoozersk in Buryatia. We took hundreds of tanks out of Mongolia in the early 90s and threw them right into a field near the border. There they rust. Take it - I don't want to
    1. +1
      24 August 2021 12: 34
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      The war went on in many places. And 76 years after the victory, finding a real T34 is not easy enough. Unless you just buy somewhere in Africa or Asia from a store, as they did a few years ago, buying those that now go to the parade on May 9.

      There is also a third option - to lift / dig and restore. But here you need to know the places.
      On Nevsky Pyatachk 6 out of 7 tanks of the exposition are either dug or raised from the bottom of the Neva.
  23. +2
    24 August 2021 12: 13
    > Pay attention to the fact that the tank is painted in the "correct" color (which is rare today)

    Another would be to get rid of the style of white edging on rollers / wheels. The technique is predatory and camouflage, and not these white stripes
  24. +1
    24 August 2021 12: 42
    We will purchase the required amount of paint, wash and clean the tank and paint it.

    Here you can't do with paint alone, here the tank must be changed to the appropriate equipment, or a sign for "Defenders of the Motherland from ...". There is also a "correct" armored personnel carrier in the same Yelets as a monument to the fallen residents of Yelets - "Afghans" ... hi
  25. +1
    24 August 2021 12: 46
    I will add from observations that this monument stands in the Lipetsk region in the village of Kamenka, here are the coordinates 52.126060, 38.748420.
    From the wheels / rollers, all the caps covering the bearings are circled, on the face of insanity.
    They also bent one of the hatches, now it became possible to inspect the "interior decoration"
    All aiming drives rotate, there is no rust inside at all!
    It looks very sad from the outside ...
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  26. +3
    24 August 2021 13: 08

    Spent 3 minutes searching for a tank: https://www.avito.ru/moskva/gruzoviki_i_spetstehnika/t-34_tank_1870728908
  27. +2
    24 August 2021 18: 49
    What is the town of Yelets? A city with a population of 102 thousand people. Large cities in the Russian Federation are cities with a population of 100 to 250. Ostrogozhsk is a small town. The author, apparently, is not aware that urban settlements are cities and urban-type settlements that are part of municipal districts. And cities outside the districts have the status of urban districts. The territory of the urban district may coincide with the territory of the city, and may include the surrounding territories, including the rural population. Some of the cities with their environs have the status of a municipal district, which is also equal to municipal districts. This is the case if the urban population is less than two-thirds of the population, and the population density exceeds the average for Russia by no more than five times. Moreover, we in the Russian Federation do not have a clear system for assigning cities to settlements or urban or municipal districts. There are quite large cities included in the districts, and there are small cities with the status of an urban district. Sometimes this is justified by objective circumstances, and sometimes it depends on the position of the governor of a territory or region or the head of the republic. for example, in the Moscow region not a single district is left, entirely urban districts and municipal districts. This is Vorobyov's policy. But in the Leningrad region there is only one urban district, it consists mainly of districts. And this is largely due to the position of Drozdenko and his predecessors.
  28. +1
    24 August 2021 22: 24
    Lord officers!
    About monuments to T-34 tanks, I have been studying this topic for several years and I believe that there are historical monuments created in Soviet times, there are monuments really related to the installation site (many historical ones also fall into this part) and just monuments when no one was interested, what is set, the main thing is to report on the implementation of the plan for patriotic education.
    T-72 on a pedestal: what is it - a monument to a fellow countryman who died in Afghanistan, or rolled away money for installing illiquid assets? In my opinion, there is something to work on for the UK or the prosecutor's office.
    1. 0
      25 August 2021 16: 11
      I also support the irrelevance of the installed T-72 ... In our country, and there was no authentic car, or a copy made by the hands of craftsmen ???? Of course, shame on the city authorities, what a shame.
  29. 0
    25 August 2021 17: 01
    The first thing that came to mind when the phrase city of Yelets was his Prima cigarettes without a filter ..... True, since then I have not smoked ...
  30. 0
    25 August 2021 19: 15
    And what is it. The article is about nothing. Well, collectively buy a T-34 or its replica.
  31. +1
    27 August 2021 06: 38
    I know how to put everything in order ... It is necessary to hold elections every two years, then it will be painted and patched up and unfastened from the "benefactors" of the electorate!
  32. 0
    28 August 2021 17: 44
    Is the pedestal itself in good condition? It would be necessary to check before painting, otherwise it will be freshly painted, but falling apart.
  33. 0
    30 August 2021 09: 19
    The army used to give out Prima cigarettes from the Yelets factory. Disgusting taste, but you get used to it over time.
  34. 0
    30 August 2021 15: 11
    Since we started talking about Kiev and the museum, then talk about the entire exposition, and not about two tanks outside the thematic sections at the entrance.
    In the sections on the Afghan and WWII everything is in order there, there is no need to talk about "states" here.

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