An aristocrat from Pasadena. Professional weapon

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An aristocrat from Pasadena. Professional weapon
Two custom Auto Mag pistols equipped with scopes and custom targeting barrels. Two leather pouches with the lion's head logo by Lee Jurras. Source: amtguns.info

Part 4
Take an antelope 217 yards with a pistol ... Auto Mag for hunting



Auto Mag is designed for the true pistol hunting enthusiast.
Weapon specialist for hunting with a pistol, who wants maximum
efficiency in the field.
Lee Jurras, 1975


Lee Jurras in front of his favorite Auto Mag Custom Model 200 International in .357 AMP caliber. Source: amtguns.net

No other person in the world has done more to popularize Auto Mag than Lee E. Jurass, an avid pistol hunter, world renowned gunsmith and a huge fan of Auto Mag. The phrase he used to describe the most powerful pistol at the time would have shocked today's animal advocates:



“He has great accuracy. It just turns the rabbit into a red mist. "

It was only thanks to his enthusiasm and efforts that a whole series of original pistol modifications were born. Special ordering options, limited quantities of each custom model series produced have resulted in the rarest and most collector's coveted Auto Mag models of the entire history.

It all started in 1973, when Harry Sanford (President of Auto Mag Corporation) sent Lee Jurras (Founder and President of Super Vel Cartridge Corporation) one sample of a .44 Auto Mag pistol with an additional interchangeable barrel in .357 caliber to see if he could to release cartridges for this pistol?


Auto Mag, donated by Harry Sanford to Lee Jurras. Source: amtguns.net

This was a very good move for Auto Mag Corporation, as Super Vel was an innovator in the production of high velocity pistol ammunition with powerful stopping action.

And the question of the production of cartridges for the new pistol was very acute at that time. In 1974, LE Jurras & Assotiates obtained the exclusive right to sell, distribute and provide warranty service for Auto Mag pistols worldwide. In addition to the above, the company had the right to supply spare parts, accessories, special tuning and non-standard modification of pistols. Some of the custom-made Auto Mag pistols were equipped with special leather holsters, magazine pouches, removable stocks and stocks.

It should be noted that Lee Juras was not actually engaged in the production of these pistols. According to his specifications, the weapons were made by the same manufacturers that at that time were also producing standard Auto Mag. Lee Jurras' company was engaged in the sale, warranty service of Auto Mag, supply of spare parts, accessories, special tuning, fine-tuning and non-standard modification of pistols. And also by equipping cartridges for them.


Branded box of .357 AMP cartridges from Super Vel Lee Jurras. Photo: reloader-rob.com

In 1974, Lee Jurras founded an international club of owners and fans of Auto Mag - Club de Auto Mag International.

Issued monthly news a newsletter specifically dedicated to Auto Mag. It published stories of club members, ad rubrics, technical assistance, etc. These were useful and very interesting periodicals with extensive information on Auto Mag. Pistol owners had a great opportunity to exchange thoughts and ideas.

By May 1975, there were 700 club members.

The first newsletter was published in April 1974.


Membership card of the international club of owners of Auto Mag. Source: amtguns.info

1.LE Jurras Custom Models - custom Auto Mag models from Lee Jurras


Lee Jurras offered the largest number of Auto Mag variations to customers. The custom pistols known as the LE Jurras Custom were supplied to customers under the names International, Alaskan, Backpacker, Grizzly, Condor, Silhouette, and more.

Some of them were equipped with a barrel chambered for the .41 JMP (Jurass Magnum Pistol) cartridge, developed by Lee Jurras specifically for the Auto Mag.

The pistols featured improved finish, engraving, meticulous fit and precise zeroing.

1.1. LE Jurras Custom Model 100


Lee Jurras prepared 100 custom pistols chambered for the .357 Auto Mag. They were distinguished by meticulous polishing, Mag-Na-Port expansion barrels and custom-laminated wooden cheeks made by craftsmen Clint Titers and Lee Jurras.

All this was packed in a special carrying case. These custom Auto Mag pistols were labeled "LE Jurras, Custom Model 100" and were assigned a special serial number from LEJ001 to LEJ100. All of them were equipped with 6,5-inch barrels with a ventilated bar, and pistols numbered LEJ80 through LEJ90 were equipped with 8,5-inch barrels without a ventilated bar.

The next 100 custom Auto Mag Model 100s were made in .44AMP.

They were issued with the same serial numbers as the Model 100 in caliber .357AMP, but with the addition of the letter "X" at the end of the number. All examples were also equipped with 6,5-inch barrels with a ventilated bar, and pistols numbered LEJ80X through LEJ90X - 8,5-inch barrels without a ventilated bar.

Then came the .41JMP (Jurras Magnum Pistol).

The pistols were produced under the same serial numbers as the Model 100 in caliber .357AMP, with the exception of the designation 100-3, which is stamped on the frame under the grip cheeks.

The inscription on the receiver was applied on the left side - the corresponding caliber was indicated first, for example:

.41 JMP - LE Jurras Custom Model 100 El Monte, Calif. Patented, "TDE in a Circle".


Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 100 marking in .41 JMP. Source: gunsinternational.com

Only 35 of the 100 units of the .41JMP were fully made. The remaining barrels were sold separately.

It was possible to purchase all three models with completely matching serial numbers, which instantly became a collector's item.

It was estimated that 26 .41JMP barrels were sold to those who already owned pistols with identical serial numbers in .44AMP and .357AMP calibers. Again, such supporting documentation is very difficult to obtain or does not exist.


Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 100 in .44 AMP. Source: amtguns.net

It was from this custom Model 100 with a 6,5-inch .357 AMP barrel that Lee Jurras fired the record-breaking shot in New Mexico when he recaptured an antelope from a prone position at 217 yards (198 meters).


Double-slotted compensator of the Mag-Na-Port type for the Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom barrel. Source: gunsinternational.com

1.2. LE Jurras Custom Model 200 International


The .357 AMP pistol with an 8,5-inch barrel with a vented bar shortened to 6,5 inches and a Mag-Na-Port compensator was equipped with a removable frame stock and a Leopold M8-2X telescopic sight - it was the best withstanding Auto Mag recoil.

Two types of base and rings were used to mount the optics on the Custom Model 200. Kent Lomont developed the first and Jim Herringshaw the second.

200 International was not only a beautiful piece of art, but also very practical. It was Lee Jurras' favorite pistol. He noted its very high accuracy.

In the 1975 catalog, the 200 model costs $ 3250 plus $ 200 for a removable stock. 11 units made.

Receiver lettering on the left side:

Auto Mag. 357 AMP - LE Jurras Custom Model 200 / INT`L El Monte, Ca. Patented, "TDE in a circle" and "lion's head" in a circle.


Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 200 International in .357 AMP. Source: amtguns.net

In advertising brochures, the "XNUMXth" was often called nothing more than a mini-sniper system.

The weapon was designed for wealthy athletes and collectors.


Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 200 International in .357 AMP in Soldier of Fortune, May 1975

Another luxurious pistol with rich engraving, gilding and bone carved grip cheeks was released for the 200th anniversary of US independence. This is the so-called Custom Model 200 International Bicentennial in .357AMP caliber.

The price in the 1976 advertising catalog is $ 13.


Photo of Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 200 International Bicentennial in Guns & Ammo magazine for 1977.

1.3. LE Jurras Custom Model 300 Alaskan


44АМР pistol equipped with a removable frame stock, shoulder strap and 12,5-inch barrel with Mag-Na-Port compensator without a ventilated bar and without an optical sight.

Issued 9 units.

On the left side of the receiver, the inscription was applied:

.44 AMP Alaskan LE Jurras Custom Model 300, Hagerman. NM, "lion's head" in a circle.


Marking Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 300 Alascan caliber .44 AMP. Source: amtguns.info


Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 300 Alascan in .44 AMP. Source: amtguns.net

Powerful, bone-crushing, the Custom Model 300 Alaskan, equipped with a 12,5-inch barrel, propelled a 265-grain (17,17 g) jacketed bullet to 2000 feet per second (610 m / s).

It should be noted that initially the stock, for both the 300th and 200th models, was made of aluminum tubes. On tests, he withstood 200-300 shots without any problems.

But during the hunt, one of the participants, who fired a 300 Alaskan using such a stock (firing 265 grain bullets at a flight speed of 2000 feet per second - about 610 m / s), the tubular stock was slightly deformed due to too much recoil. Therefore, Lee Jurras developed a new shoulder rest made of round stainless steel bars with longitudinal grooves to facilitate construction.

In total, for the 200th and 300th models, a total of two tubular aluminum stocks and from eight to 10 pieces of stainless steel stocks were produced (some pistols were released and sold without stocks).

In the catalog, they were offered at a price of $ 785.

1.4. LE Jurras Custom Model 400 Back Packer


Compact Auto Mag in .357 or .44AMP with 4,5-inch barrel with Mag-Na-Port compensator and vented rib. The frame differs from the standard with a shortened 3/8 "grip and a 5-round magazine.

Only 5 pistols were manufactured - two of them in caliber .357 AMR.

Receiver marking on the left side:

.44 AMP Back Packer LE Jurras Custom Model 400, El Monte Calif. Patented, logo "lion head in a circle" and "TDE in a circle".

Or

.357 AMP Back Packer LE Jurras Custom Model 400, El Monte Calif. Patented, logo "lion head in a circle" and "TDE in a circle".


Marking Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 400 Back Packer caliber .357 AMP. Source: amtguns.info


Auto Mag Back Packer LE Jurras Custom Model 400 in .357 AMP. Only two pistols were made. Source: amtguns.net


Luxury set from a private collection - Auto Mag Back Packer LE Jurras Custom Model 400 in .44 AMP (left - only three units produced) and Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 300 Alascan in .44 AMP. Source: сoltforum.com

The Backpacker (Tourist) has been designed as a backup pistol in case of emergency.

Only five of these "babies" were made.

The Backpacker was originally priced at $ 785. Later in the catalogs of weapons, the pistol was offered for $ 1175.

This is indeed a very rare variant of Auto Mag, and how much it might cost now is anyone's guess.

Even a photograph of a pistol itself is very rare. While preparing the article, it was with difficulty that we managed to find only five photographs of the "Tourist", two of which are published here.

1.5. LE Jurras Custom Model 500 Grizzly


44AMP pistol with a heavy barrel without a ventilated bar in lengths of 8,5- and 10,5-inches (1 copy).

It was equipped with a telescopic sight with a second generation bracket and designer cheeks: either bone or wooden with lamination.

Only 5 pistols were produced, three of them with perfect metal polish and bone cheeks of the grip.

In the advertising catalog, the weapon was offered at a price of $ 1295.

Inscription on the left side of the receiver:

.44 AMP Grizzly LE Jurras Custom Model 500, Hagerman. NM, "lion's head" in a circle.


Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 500 Grizzly marking in .44 AMP. Source: amtguns.info


Auto Mag Grizzly LE Jurras Custom Model 500 in .44 AMP. Source: amtguns.net

1.6. LE Jurras Custom Model 600 Condor


44AMP pistol with 14,5 '' octagonal or 16,5 '' heavy round polished barrel without vented rib.

It was completed with a regular or gold-anodized telescopic sight and a braided leather shoulder strap. The choice was put on the handle: either wooden laminated cheeks, or bone.

Only two pistols were made - one with cheeks of each type. Both were priced at $ 1475.

Amazing quality finishes.

A distinctive inscription was applied to the receiver on the left side:

.44 AMP Condor LE Jurras Custom Model 600, Hagerman. NM, "lion's head" in a circle.


An Auto Mag Condor LE Jurras Custom Model 600 in .44 AMP with a 16,5-inch heavy round barrel and a gold-anodized scope. Source: amtguns.net


Auto Mag Condor LE Jurras Custom Model 600 in .44 AMP with a 14,5-inch octagonal barrel. Source: amtguns.info

1.7. LE Jurras Metallic Silhoette


41JMP caliber model with an 8,5-inch heavy round barrel with a vented bar and laminated wood grip grips.

It was a true masterpiece of the art of arms.

Made in a single copy.

It cost the customer $ 2100 - at that time an unheard-of amount for a pistol for shooting at metal targets (silhouettes). The next owner of the pistol had to pay $ 6500 for this rarity! How much it can cost today, I do not even presume.

Another silhouette was the .357 AMP caliber with an 8,5-inch barrel with a vented bar and bony dark chocolate grip cheeks.

The pistol was equipped with Liman's diopter adjustable match sight.

On the left side of the receiver of the pistols, the corresponding inscription was applied:

.41 JMP Metallic Silhoette LE Jurras Custom Hagerman. NM, "lion's head" in a circle.

И

.357 AMP Metallic Silhoette LE Jurras Custom Hagerman. NM, "lion's head" in a circle.


Auto Mag Metallic Silhoette LE Jurras Custom in .41 JMP. Source: amtguns.net


Auto Mag Metallic Silhoette LE Jurras Custom in .357 AMP. Source: amtguns.net

Both rarities are in private collections. And their owners do not advertise their "treasures".

The descriptions of this "couple" of Auto Mag are very scarce, so it was very difficult to imagine how they looked exactly.

It was only with great difficulty that we managed to find one photograph of each silhouette in the 2013 calendar.

1.8. LE Jurras Custom Hagerman NM


The only other custom pistol was the .41JMP Auto Mag with a 10,5-inch heavy barrel without a vented bar and bony grip cheeks.

The pistol had its own individual markings on the left side of the receiver:

.41 JMP LE Jurras Custom Hagerman. NM, "lion's head" in a circle.

It was offered for $ 995.

1.9. LE Jurras Custom Cougar


The .30 AMP model features a 12-inch heavy barrel without a ventilated bar, a telescopic sight and bony grip cheeks, and excellent metal polish.

Two copies and 3 additional replaceable barrels were made.

The corresponding inscription was applied to the left side of the receiver:

.30 AMP Cougar LE Jurras Custom Hagerman. NM, "lion's head" in a circle.


Auto Mag Cougar LE Jurras Custom in .30 AMP. Source: amtguns.net

I must say that without exception, all custom Auto Mag from Lee Jurras were made with great love and professionalism.

And this has earned them wide popularity among professional hunters and collectors of firearms. They can be compared, figuratively speaking, with elite Mercedes models tuned by Brabus.

The name of Lee Jurras has become a kind of guarantee of the unsurpassed quality of Auto Mag Custom Model. And if the 100th model in one of three calibers can occasionally be found at one of the auctions, then the rest of the non-standard rare Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom can sometimes be seen only in no less rare photographs.

It is thanks to the availability of a large number of options and the possibility of individual ordering that such a wide variety of Lee Jurras Custom Auto Mag models have been released.

Auto Mag owners could order barrels of various lengths and calibers, equip them with Mag-Na-Port muzzle compensators. It was possible to polish barrels and / or frames; installation of cheeks for handles made of bone, ordinary or exotic laminated wood; equipping with optical sights and removable butts, individual adjustment of the weapon and its modification.

Some of them are one of a kind, making them virtually unattainable for collectors.

Auto Mag owners and fans alike were offered a variety of accessories and promotional brochures, clip pouches, thigh and shoulder holsters (made by Safariland), bearing the Lee Jurras lion head logo.

Four issues of Lee Jurras' Auto Mag brochures have been published. The Auto Mag Club sold its members jackets, patches, flashlights, pens, Auto Mag pistols bearing the Lee Jurras logo. Also offered were Super Vel Auto Mag cartridges packed in branded boxes. All these are also rare things that are now very difficult to find.

Auto Mag club newsletters are of great educational value. And reading them will provide a good opportunity to study the history of Auto Mag during this period. A total of 15 such newsletters were published.

The main reason why custom Auto Mag models are produced in such small quantities is their cost. As you can see from the given prices, in the 70s it was a lot of money.

But you need to understand that Auto Mag was not only the world's first stainless steel pistol, but also the world's first self-loading stainless steel pistol for the most powerful cartridge.

Today, Lee Jurras' Auto Mag pistols cost a lot more than their original price tag.

2. Custom models Auto Mag, designed by Kent Lomonat (Kent Lomonat Custom Models)


In the mid-seventies, Kent Lomont, one of the most recognized experts in the arms world, created several wildcat calibers for the Auto Mag pistol. He also made unique barrels and scope mounts that Lee Jurras used on some of his custom pistols.


Kent Lomont with Auto Mag in .357 AMP. Source: lomont.org

Kent offered custom barrels for .22LMP (Lomont Magnum Pistol), .25LMP and .30LMP cartridges. He also produced custom barrels for the .357 AMP, .41 JMP and .44 AMP cartridges and gave them his own designation.

Initially, as a marking, he wanted to use images of dinosaurs to identify the calibers of these barrels. But in the end, he used the figurines of the beasts. Each animal corresponded to the animal that could be hunted with that caliber.

Kent also experimented with the .45 ACP Magnum barrel.

All of Kent Lomont's Auto Mag rounds had a total length of 1,610 inches (40,89 mm).

In accordance with the caliber and model number, a certain inscription and an image of the animal were applied on the left side of the receiver:

Lomont Custom .44 AMP Model 180 Fort Wayne Indiana, TDE in a circle and bison logo.

Lomont Custom .357 AMP Model 160 Fort Wayne Indiana, TDE in a circle and antelope logo.

Lomont Custom .30LMP Model 150 Fort Wayne Indiana, TDE circle logo and cougar.

Lomont Custom .25LMP Model 140 Fort Wayne Indiana, TDE circle logo and fox.

Lomont Custom .22LMP Model 130 Fort Wayne Indiana, TDE in a circle logo and marmot.


It should be understood that the word "barrel" means a single barrel block with a receiver assembly and sights (either a sight or a base for optics). In this regard, the design of the Auto Mag was very successful. The barrel, sighted in advance, was changed as a single unit with a receiver and a sight, which, when replaced, practically did not require re-zeroing.

2.1. Model 180 Bison - bison


44AMP pistol with a 12,5 or 16 '' octagonal barrel, designer grip grips, great finishes and a telescopic sight.

A distinctive inscription was applied to the receiver on the left side:

Lomont Custom .44 AMP Model 180 Fort Wayne Indiana, TDE in a circle and bison logo.


Marking Auto Mag Lomont Custom Model 180 "Bizon" caliber .44 AMP. Source: amtguns.info


Auto Mag Lomont Custom Model 180 "Bison" with a 12,5-inch barrel in .44 AMP. Source: amtguns.info


Auto Mag Lomont Custom Model 180 "Bison" with a 16-inch barrel in .44 AMP and white bone cheeks of the grip. Source: amtguns.info

2.2 Model 170 Grizzly - grizzly bear


Pistol in .41JMP caliber.


Auto Mag Lomont Custom Model 170 Grizzly in .41 JMP. Source: Smith-Wessonforun.com

2.3. Model 160 Antelope - antelope


A .357 AMP pistol with a 6,5-inch barrel with a vented bar and designer wooden cheeks.

Only 4 pistols were made.


Auto Mag Lomont Custom Model 160 Antelope caliber .357 AMP. Source: coltforum.com

2.4 Model 150 Cougar - cougar


12-inch tapered .30 AMP barrel without a ventilated rib with a comb front sight and with a telescopic sight base mounted on the receiver.

2.5. Model 140 Fox - fox


12-inch .25 LMP tapered barrel without ventilated rib with comb front sight and with a telescopic sight base mounted on the receiver.

2.6. Model 130 Groundhog - marmot


12-inch .22 LMP tapered barrel without ventilated rib with comb front sight and with a telescopic sight base mounted on the receiver.


Auto Mag barrels with a base for mounting an optical sight and cartridges (top-down) Lomont Custom Model 130 Marmot .22 LMP, Model 140 Fox .25 LMP, Model 150 Cougar .30 LMP. Source: amtguns.net

It is worth noting that Kent Lomont was engaged in tuning, zeroing, fine-tuning Auto Mag, equipping pistols with barrels of his own design and manufacture. He also equipped the weapon with sights and brackets of his own design.

At the request of the customer, the frame was also finished (polished or matted), the cheeks were replaced with designer ones made of bone or valuable wood.

It is not possible to find out how many and what modifications of Auto Mag Kent Lomont performed, due to the lack of any documentary evidence.

And only rare photographs can tell us what modifications of the "aristocrat" came out of the "pen" of the venerable gunsmith.

3. Barrels designed and manufactured by Eric Kincel and Brian Maynard


In September 1991, Eric Kinsel of GunWorld magazine and Brian Maynard, AMT's service technician, came up with a new cartridge for the Auto Mag.

It was .40 KMP (Kincel Maynard Precision).

The experimental cartridge was a .45 Winchester Magnum case crimped to fit a .40 S&W bullet. The cone of transition from the cylinder of the sleeve to the muzzle was 45 degrees. Its overall length was just under 1,6 inches (40,64 mm).

The new cartridge did not catch on with Auto Mag owners and only added to the list of Pasadena aristocrat calibers.

Therefore, the trunks of Kinsel and Maynard are as difficult to find today as the products of Kent Lomont and Lee Jurras. They can be safely attributed to rarities. They will decorate any collection.


Receiver marking Auto Mag with Kinsel-Meinard barrel in .40 KMP Model 400. Noteworthy is the excellent mirror polish of the barrel and receiver. Source: amtguns.info


Auto Mag KMP Custom Model 400 with a heavy round barrel in .40 KMP, equipped with a Leopold telescopic sight on a Maxi-Mount bracket. Collected on the frame Auto Mag Pasadema amtguns.info

I must say that the Auto Mag itself, despite the title of "aristocrat", as well as all its variants / modifications, was created purely for utilitarian purposes, namely, for hunting, in order to compete directly with large-caliber revolvers.

But today these pistols have become collectibles, for the most part having passed into the category of rarities.

And if we can still see the standard Auto Mag models in offers at arms auctions, then custom variations, settled in private collections, are available for general viewing only in no less rare photographs.

While preparing the material for publication, I hardly managed to find a photo of most of the Auto Mag modifications. And I tried to use them as much as possible to acquaint readers with the "pearls" of the American classics of modern weaponry.

But, unfortunately, only scanty descriptions in old magazines and other publications have survived about some rarities.


Hunting kit from Lee Jurras: tuned Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 160 in .357 AMP with a magnificent mirror polished barrel and designer grips, equipped with a Leopold telescopic sight, and two polished magazines. Source: smith-wessonforum.com


Branded presentation box for Auto Mag LE Jurras Custom Model 160 in .357 AMP caliber. Source: smith-wessonforum.com

In conclusion, I would like to mention one more non-standard version of Auto Mag. It is only known for certain that a number of pistols were fired as an experiment with a barrel shortened to 4,5 inches on a standard frame. The so-called "backup" version of Auto Mag. When, and in what quantity - there is no documentary evidence on this matter. I only managed to find a couple of photos. Considering that there were very few short stacks made, the experiment, apparently, was not so successful as to launch the model into series. And this is confirmed by the opinion of most Auto Mag owners that the optimal combination for a pistol is still the .357 AMP caliber with a barrel length of 8,5 inches. In this case, the automation cycle is reliably worked out and an acceptable recoil force is provided.


Photo in one of Lee Jurras' promotional brochures for Club de Auto Mag International, a standard Auto Mag with a 6,5 '' barrel and a rare Auto Mag with a short 4,5 '' barrel. The pistol grips are equipped with designer laminated wood cheeks. Source: amtguns.info

To be continued ...
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  1. +11
    22 August 2021 06: 52
    Drooling flows in rivers ... One thing is clear to me - only a long (medium) trunk.
    1. +5
      23 August 2021 23: 16
      Glad you liked it.
      To be continued.

      Best regards,
      1. 0
        1 October 2021 15: 32
        Quote: Gunfighter95
        Auto Mag was not only the world's first stainless steel pistol

        hi
        I doubt it ...
        An example is the Wildey pistol.
        Development started in the early 1970s (Sweden, Husqvarna).

        Almost all parts of the pistol were made of stainless steel:
        1) The shutter and rotary ring of the gas regulator were made of maraging stainless steel type 17-4 PH,
        2) Frame, breech casing and barrel - from martensitic stainless steel with sulfur content (416th),
        3) Small parts made of 410 steel.

        1. 0
          1 October 2021 23: 53
          In vain do you doubt.
          Read the previous 3 articles in the series on Auto Mag.

          An aristocrat from Pasadena. The first automatic magnum .44
          https://topwar.ru/185738-aristokrat-iz-pasadeny-pervyj-avtomaticheskij-magnum-44-chast-1.html

          An aristocrat from Pasadena. Gun for Harry Callahan
          https://topwar.ru/185739-aristokrat-iz-pasadeny-pervyj-avtomaticheskij-magnum-44-chast-2.html

          An aristocrat from Pasadena. Variations on Auto Mag
          https://topwar.ru/185931-aristokrat-iz-pasadeny-variacii-na-temu-auto-magchast-3.html

          And you will have no doubts.

          You gave an unsuccessful example.
          Wildey was released much later than Auto Mag. You have uploaded a scan of the May 1979 cover of Guns & Ammo.

          And this is the cover of Guns & Ammo magazine, March 1970. Here is the first prototype of Auto Mag.


          And this is the inscription on the receiver of Auto Mag pistols of the memorial series dedicated to Harry Sanford.


          Pay attention to the bottom line.

          An article on VO dedicated to Wildey:
          https://topwar.ru/55789-oruzhie-roberta-hillberga-chast-pyataya.html

          Text from there:

          Back in 1979, Wildie Moore admitted to Guns & Ammo editor Howard E. French that work on the creation of a powerful automatic pistol with a gas engine, which lasted about 7 years, had been started in Sweden, in the Husqvarna campaign : the one that Mr. Moore helped to adapt his products for the American market.
          ...................................
          Be that as it may, on April 25 of 1974 of the year Wildie Moore filed a patent application, and on November 02 of 1976 of the year it was published (No. US 3988964 A). The patent was issued on the “Gas operated mechanism with adjustment for firearms” (Gas operated firearm with metering adjustment).


          More info;
          https://kalashnikov.media/article/weapons/wildey-survivor-pervyy-pistolet-s-gazootvodnym-mekhanizmom-

          To manufacture the pistol, Moore founded a new company. He expected to start selling in 1980 at $ 389 (about $ 1200 at the current exchange rate), but the price of a serial Wildey pistol in the Survivor modification in 1984, when it finally went on sale, reached 1200 dollars (about 3000 modern).


          On August 8, 1971, the first Auto Mag pistol was sold.

          And who was the first?

          Best regards,
          1. 0
            2 October 2021 11: 08
            Quote: Gunfighter95
            In vain doubt

            I always start to doubt when it comes to "the very best", "the very first", "unsurpassed", etc.
            This can be the cause of endless controversy, like discussing primacy in the invention of radio.
            After all, Alexander Popov, Guglielmo Marconi, Nikola Tesla, Heinrich Hertz, or Oliver Lodge claim the title of inventor of radio.

            Quote: Gunfighter95
            You gave an unsuccessful example ...
            ... scanned cover of Guns & Ammo magazine for May 1979.

            I posted a catchy picture with explanatory captions.
            This is logical for a content engineer.
            Although earlier photos are available)

            Quote: Gunfighter95
            And who was the first?

            Maybe Auto Mag, or maybe a forgotten constructor model that has sunk into oblivion.
            To find out for sure - you need to carefully study the issue.
            Personally, I try not to use the terms "first" and "best".
            And "one of the first", "one of the best" ...

            For me, you are an unknown author.
            I discovered this part of the article by accident.
            I will definitely read your other works as well.
            Good Luck!
            1. +1
              2 October 2021 19: 27
              Doubt or not is your own business.
              It's really not worth taking everything on faith.
              And there is nothing to argue about. Just study the controversial issue yourself, browse the Internet if you have doubts.
              Before publishing a series of articles, I very carefully studied all the available material on this topic. Believe me - I "shoveled" a lot of material. You can be convinced by reading the previous 3 parts of the cycle.
              And I did not call Harry Sanford the "Pioneer of stainless steel weapons", but American experts.
              There is little information about Auto Mag, and especially reliable.
              There are many sites where "porridge" is collected from excerpts from various sources, overwhelmingly from the same Internet. Compilation of reliable and not so much information about an interesting sample of weapons.
              Which prompted me to tell about Auto Mag as accurately as possible, relying only on proven facts.

              To use, or not to use any words is your right, which no one can infringe upon. Is that the moderator and editorial board of the VO, if you decide to publish your article on the pages of the Military Review. wink

              I am an unknown author for many - there is nothing surprising here. laughing
              For the first time I publish my articles in an online edition.
              As it turned out, it’s not so easy, if you’re not going to slip some hack on your readers. laughing
              I have been collecting materials for more than one year. I have been preparing the article for publication for almost half a year.
              Four parts have been published. But this is not all that I would like to talk about.
              Probably, 2 more parts will turn out, given the format of the online edition.
              So thank you for your good wishes!

              Best regards,
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                2 October 2021 22: 48
                Quote: Gunfighter95
                Just study the controversial issue yourself, browse the Internet, if you have doubts.

                On occasion, if a desire arises wink
                Last time I went to factories to end a dispute with the author of the article.
                Answers from factories - in the comments
                https://topwar.ru/186859-tankovyj-panoptikum-ognemetnye-tanki.html

                Quote: Gunfighter95
                I have been collecting materials for more than one year. I have been preparing the article for publication for almost half a year.

                Bravishimo!
                1. +1
                  3 October 2021 01: 25
                  I read your polemic with the author of the article ... I am shocked by your persistence. There is nothing to add. Unless Nolite mittere margaritas ante porcos ... Will not help. laughing
                  I have a different method - more forgiving of the author. After all, anyone can offend a pianist ... lol
                  Links to Wikipedia are generally a dumb thing ... everyone who is not lazy writes. I would least of all be guided by it.
                  Everything is simpler here - you can compare the dates of patents, the dates of appearance of "live", so to speak, products, the beginning of mass production.
                  You don't even have to write to the factories. wink
                  Therefore, I prepare articles for a long time, alas ... "Rate of fire" is not the same for me. And the specialization is very narrow. Writing about everything in a row is not our method. laughing
                  How not to remember Vladimir Ilych - Better less, but better.

                  Best regards,
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2021 09: 36
                    Quote: Gunfighter95
                    nolite mittere

                    good

                    Quote: Gunfighter95
                    How not to remember Vladimir Ilych - Better less, but better.

                    How can we not remember Pushkin?
                    His house-museum operates in Chisinau (link to Bessarabia).
                    In Soviet times, schoolchildren were necessarily taken on an excursion to and there.
                    For the rest of my life I remembered one of the exhibits under glass: a sheet of paper covered with writing on which almost all the words were crossed out.
                    The guide explained: the poet was choosing the right word.
                    As a result, there are only a few words left on the entire sheet ...
  2. +9
    22 August 2021 07: 07
    I read "they were all equipped with 6,5" barrels with a barrel length of 8 "and imagined a large-caliber mortar. And in the photo there are pistols everywhere ...
    1. +4
      23 August 2021 23: 25
      I understand that, are you kidding?
      In this case, we mean the length of the barrel. Don't be taken out of context.
      Read the text first:

      "... 100 custom pistols chambered for .357 Auto Mag ...
      All of them were equipped with 6,5-inch barrels with a ventilated bar, and pistols numbered LEJ80 through LEJ90 - 8,5-inch barrels without a ventilated bar.
      That is, the caliber. 357 AMP, the length is 6,5 or 8,5 inches. "

      More on this in the previous parts.

      Best regards,
  3. +12
    22 August 2021 07: 16
    Well, what else can you say here .. not that five cents, a pretty penny is fundamental .. Thank you and look forward to continuing!
    1. +13
      22 August 2021 13: 38
      You can't say anything better than you, not every catalog can boast of such rich information as presented here. I fully subscribe. good

      Many thanks to Yuri for the most luxurious material. smile drinks
      1. +12
        22 August 2021 13: 48
        I join the above comments! Special thanks to Yuri !!!
        1. +5
          23 August 2021 23: 30
          Thank you for your kind words!

          Best regards,
      2. +5
        23 August 2021 23: 29
        Thank you!
        Glad you liked it!
        I'm working on a sequel.

        Best regards,
    2. +4
      23 August 2021 23: 27
      Thanks for the kind words!
      I'm working on a sequel.

      Best regards,
  4. +9
    22 August 2021 07: 55
    I looked at the model 180 "bison" and thought, what kind of recoil does it have when firing? Not everyone will hold a weapon like this after a shot, and the main thing is that it should be done without injury. The author, as always, + and thank you very much for the interesting article! I look forward to continuing ...
    1. +4
      23 August 2021 23: 35
      Tolerable recoil is the general opinion of owners of Auto Mag in caliber. 357 AMP. Everything that is higher is only for an amateur and physically very strong person. Or a fan of the 44th.
      And thank you for your kind words.
      I am working on the continuation.

      Best regards,
  5. +6
    22 August 2021 08: 15
    Thanks to the author and of course + for the opportunity to contemplate a weapon that you don't often see.
    1. +5
      23 August 2021 23: 36
      Spa for your appreciation of my work.

      Best regards,
  6. +2
    22 August 2021 10: 19
    Author! Extensive article. Where are the performance characteristics and design features? All och is blurry in this regard.
    1. +6
      22 August 2021 13: 50
      Quote: SpbGenn
      Author! Extensive article. Where are the performance characteristics and design features? All och is blurry in this regard.

      This is not one article, but a series of articles! So look for performance characteristics in the first two.
      1. +3
        23 August 2021 23: 41
        That's right!
        Thank you!

        Best regards,
    2. +5
      23 August 2021 23: 40
      Details of the performance characteristics of cartridges and a pistol are given in the 1st and 2nd parts.

      The first automatic magnum

      Gun for Harry Callahan

      Well, in detail about the standard options - part 3
      Variations on Auto Mag

      Best regards,
  7. +9
    22 August 2021 10: 41
    Great article!
    But, as for me, a pistol with long barrels is no longer quite a pistol. It's more of a shooting product ...
    1. +3
      23 August 2021 14: 43
      But, as for me, a pistol with long barrels is no longer quite a pistol. It's more of a shooting product ...

      With barrels of 12 inches or more, this product is closer to a rifle.
      As for the decoration, the weapon, of course, must be beautiful, but in this case, with some samples decorated with precious metals and different painting, it is clearly too much.
      1. +3
        23 August 2021 23: 53
        The weapon "under the Khokhloma" figuratively speaking, was made either as a presentation, exhibition. Or for a gift to dignitaries. It is clear that with such specimens it is not like hunting, and we didn’t go to "postrejushki". It immediately passed into the category of antiques, so to speak.

        Best regards,
        1. 0
          24 August 2021 08: 45
          Thank you for a very interesting series of articles.
          Sincerely.
          1. +2
            24 August 2021 09: 14
            I am very glad that you liked it!

            Best regards,
    2. +4
      23 August 2021 23: 49
      Thank you!

      An ineradicable desire to have a universal weapon ... fellow

      Harry Sirford himself always complained about this about the owners of Auto Mag, who were trying to "fill up" with a pistol, figuratively speaking, an elephant, even at a great distance. And he recommended such would-be hunters better buy a rifle.

      Best regards,
  8. +6
    22 August 2021 11: 19
    Grizzly would take (dream)
  9. +6
    22 August 2021 11: 52
    The article is luxurious. But as a pursuit of the ideal
    telescopic sight Leopold M8-2X
    ... Probably correct - Leupold
    1. +3
      24 August 2021 00: 00
      Right. Typo.
      Not all the mistakes were caught ...
      Thank you for noticing!

      Best regards,
  10. +3
    22 August 2021 14: 40
    I wonder why stainless steel? Is it purposeful or just the selected steel belongs to this group?
    1. +2
      23 August 2021 23: 56
      The weapon was originally conceived as a hunting one. Therefore, stainless steel for use in any weather and conditions. And according to the characteristics, a certain grade of steel was selected.

      Best regards,
      1. +1
        24 August 2021 09: 28
        Thank you!
        Those. initially, from all the options, this steel grade was chosen as a combination of properties.
        hi
        1. +2
          24 August 2021 09: 49
          Absolutely.
          Later in the production process, some parts were made from other types of stainless steel.

          Best regards,
  11. 0
    22 August 2021 15: 41
    The phrase he used to describe the most powerful pistol at the time would have shocked today's animal advocates:

    “He has great accuracy. It just turns the rabbit into a red mist. "

    This phrase raises questions from any normal person, since the desire to kill for the sake of pleasure a living creature is difficult to attribute to outstanding merits.
    I saw a lot of these "hunters" in Africa, I had a chance to talk with some, even over a glass of tea.
    No one has been able to provide a convincing case for their "hobby".
    1. +1
      23 August 2021 11: 59
      I absolutely agree with you! I read a lot about it in the Master-Gun - I absolutely don't understand these people!
    2. +5
      24 August 2021 00: 06
      You won’t throw words out of a song ...
      And what about the competition for ultra-long shot at gophers?
      Poor animals ...
      I'm not a hunter either.
      But now and the times are different ...

      Best regards,
  12. +5
    22 August 2021 18: 34
    "the price in the advertising catalog is 1976-13" by and large a golden trinket for silly show off ..
    For that kind of money, you could buy at least 7 barrels in luxury finishes, from the best manufacturers.
    I would prefer any trusted manufacturer, even in luxury finishes, probably $ 6000 would be enough
    1. +5
      23 August 2021 00: 08
      For that kind of money, you could buy at least 7 barrels in luxury finishes, from the best manufacturers.

      If "in luxury finishes" and "the best manufacturers", then two will not be enough. If so, it's simpler.

      And if more impressive, then not even enough for one.
      1. +4
        24 August 2021 00: 21
        100%
        I agree!
        Six months ago, for Walter PPK Ulm (!!!) they broke 25 thousand euros.
        Experimental, 2-sided fuse.
        Normal execution. But one copy has survived.
        And here there is gilding, engraving, and carved bone onlays.
        And the "cannon" is more impressive. laughing

        Collectors are generally crazy people ...

        Arab Sheikh for Luger caliber. 45 ACPs from an experimental batch for testing in the US Army generally dumped a million dollars.

        Best regards,
    2. +4
      24 August 2021 00: 08
      A copy was made especially for collectors. Singular. It's like antiques - the price only grows over the years.

      Best regards,
  13. +2
    23 August 2021 19: 56
    Eh! In the hands of at least hold such a miracle!
    Just recently on TV in a movie: "and the best target is a man!"
    Thanks to the author!
    1. +4
      24 August 2021 00: 25
      Standard Auto Mag is now offered on eGun for 4200 euros ...
      If only there was a license ...
      Therefore, one has to be content with MMG ... request

      Thank you for your kind words!

      Best regards,
      1. +2
        25 August 2021 20: 57
        Diese MAG bei eGun ist eine North Hollywood.
        Neue Auto MAG`s werden seit 2018 produziert: https://www.all4shooters.com/de/shooting/kurzwaffen/auto-mag-44-magnum-pistole/
        Auch: https://automag.com/
        Danke fur diese hervorragenden Artikel.
        1. +1
          25 August 2021 23: 07
          Yes, that's right - eGun offers Auto Mag TDE North Hollywood.
          The new Auto Mag Model D was first introduced at the show.
          But more on that later ... smile

          I am very glad that you liked it!
          Thank you for evaluating my work.

          Best regards,