Retired NATO chief of staff in Afghanistan: Who came up with the idea to withdraw the army first, then civilian personnel?

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The American Congress asked for data on how many American citizens were in Afghanistan at the time of the fall of the Afghan authorities. Such information is necessary for the implementation of the program for their evacuation. Representatives of the American military department - Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Mark Milli - were forced to answer not quite convenient questions.

According to Lloyd Austin, the ministry has lists of about 15 American citizens, including military personnel. Austin announced that a plan is being implemented to gradually evacuate them, first to a base in Qatar, and from there to the United States.



General Mark Milli added that the evacuation of American citizens is being carried out from Kabul International Airport. At the same time, according to the American military leader, he considers the Kabul airport safe.

Mark Milli:

We will help all American citizens get to Kabul Airport safely. The airport itself is a safe place. Our military contingent is stationed there.

Earlier it was reported that the movement for cars with American citizens and those Afghans who collaborated with them in the direction of the Kabul airport was blocked by the Taliban (* representatives of a terrorist group banned in Russia), who set up their checkpoints at the entrance to the Afghan capital. The head of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, commenting on this information, said that "the US military will provide assistance."

The American newspaper Washington Post notes that Millie and Austin actually admitted that they had control by American troops exclusively at the Kabul airport. From columnist Dan Lamotte and Greg Jaffee:

Millie and Austin effectively acknowledged that serious threats remain for those outside the facility (airport) and pointed out that the United States is now relying on the Taliban * to provide safe passage. Although the airport is controlled by thousands of US troops sent back to the war zone due to the chaos that has erupted in recent days, militants have established their security perimeter a few miles from the site.

Mark Milli was asked to comment on whether the Afghan army is in contact with the US at the moment. The American general himself looked inquiringly at the questioner and said the following:

The Afghan army? .. But this army collapsed. Generally speaking, I, and, I think, not only me, could not imagine that the Afghan army would fall within 10-11 days. This I also include the time of the fall of many centers of the Afghan provinces.

Against this background, the retired US military, including veterans of the military operations in Afghanistan, sharply criticize the actions of the authorities and command.

Retired American general Austin Scott Miller, commenting on the situation, says that he wonders how it was possible to first withdraw the army, and then attend to the withdrawal of civilians.

General Miller (retired a few weeks ago, led the NATO contingent in Afghanistan):

Who even designed this operation? Who came up with the idea of ​​first withdrawing the army, then civilian personnel. Now they are bringing the contingent back in to get the diplomats and other civilians out.

According to Miller, it seems that no one initially understood that Kabul could fall in a couple of days, and did not plan to export persons with dual citizenship or a special American visa from Afghanistan.



Miller:

These are intelligence errors, the failed military planning of the Pentagon.

According to retired Lieutenant General David Barno (ex-commander of US troops in Afghanistan), when Scott Miller left the post, "the only combat-ready headquarters was effectively decapitated":

As a result, the operation was called into question, because it is impossible to carry out such an operation without a qualified command of the tactical level.
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  1. +9
    19 August 2021 07: 30
    The military usa are more maneuverable, they run better than civilians, so they "came out", more precisely, they fled faster than civilian "specialists" from the same usa ...
    1. Bat
      +12
      19 August 2021 07: 33
      Hardly. The fact that the army first dumped and the personnel left for later is really a gross mistake. Most likely, they did not expect the Taliban to take the country so quickly. As I said earlier, the Taliban have one big trump card, which is that the majority of the population is for the Taliban. And the Taliban used this trump card to the fullest.

      Those who served in the coalition are fleeing from Afghanistan. They are afraid that they will be handed over to the Taliban, and they will not regret the traitors. Drug addicts. Traders who dream of emigrating. I talked a lot with Afghans in Europe. They all ran away to live well. Europe.
      1. +1
        19 August 2021 08: 04
        Quote: Yarasa
        Most likely, they did not expect the Taliban to take the country so quickly.

        They left an army of 300 thousand, decently armed. And in fact, the people rebelled against the remaining collaborators. And the Taliban did not flood the front, but cut off the border and took the cities into the cauldrons. The ground under the feet of collaborators is always on fire. And there were attempts to support with aviation, but it did not grow together. And, of course, we hoped that Afghan would blaze for a decade, but it was over ... already.
        Quote: Yarasa
        Were you afraid of the Taliban?

        Firstly, Biden in Geneva after the end of the Great Gazava, World War, unequivocally agreed with Putin on the withdrawal of the occupation forces from Afghanistan and Iraq. The war went too far and went beyond the pipes and Syria. The last was the Belarusian operation, where, against the backdrop of a powerful offensive by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, NATO troops were to take Minsk, again with a preliminary attempt on Lukashenka's life. Russia stopped this, the conspirators were arrested, our troops took the Armed Forces of Ukraine in pincers and approached Belarus. But the United States feared retaliation. Therefore, there was a partly unconditional surrender in Geneva. Immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan was a condition, as was the abandonment of Nord Stream 2 alone. Biden did everything immediately. For Russia, NATO's withdrawal from Afghanistan is the rupture of the Anaconda Loop and the collapse of the Rimland Doctrine, which the United States has adhered to since the end of WWII and in the case of the USSR, they were able to do this. The union entered Afghanistan precisely to stop Rimland's stranglehold, and not just how. Now everything is clear from Turkey to Japan.
        1. +4
          19 August 2021 09: 21
          They did not expect such an end ...

          The United States, under an agreement with the Taliban signed by Trump, was supposed to withdraw troops in May.
          Biden delayed it as much as he could, but he was "surrounded" from all sides. Therefore, the army somehow left.
          There is a separate conversation about PMC personnel (up to 10000). They were supposed to support the Afghan army and were not going to take them out at all, but now it turned out that it was necessary. Therefore, the Taliban seized so much property there.

          Oh what a pity ... what little pieces ...
          1. +3
            19 August 2021 09: 41
            They did not just leave, but left the 300 thousandth army under their own control. PMCs certainly too, but the collaborators were undoubtedly managed by personnel from NATO. When everything fell apart, the Americans made an irreparable mistake. They launched several airstrikes against the advancing Taliban. Naturally, the air force was called by the NATO commanders, not the traitorous aborigines. There is no sense, but they violated the agreements with the Taliban. After that, a mass evacuation of the NATO embassies and their sixes took place. smoothly turning into panic. And the planned exit turned into a catastrophic flight. Also, the Americans deliberately set fire to the situation, flirting with the Taliban. They needed aggravation, but controlled. No one expected a disaster. Also, they did not want to flee the region, they hoped that Pakistan would give them shelter, but Pakistan sent them away. Remember old man Laden, they lost Pakistan for killing him. Obama's stupidity continues to kill the United States. They also hoped, when threatened to get into our Central Asia, they even made an obscene proposal. But, I repeat, everything ended in disaster and the hegemon ... is no longer the hegemon.
            1. +4
              19 August 2021 09: 45
              I mentioned PMCs because the 15000 that were supposed to remain after the withdrawal of the American army and which now need to be hastily taken out were not so "plush".
              But something everything went wrong. bully

              Remember old man Laden, they lost Pakistan for killing him. Obama's stupidity continues to kill the United States.

              You have forgotten about Trump's stupidity. Was it Trump who canceled military aid to Pakistan, calling Pakistan not an ally, but an enemy? wink
              US decision to end military aid to Pakistan sparks anti-American sentiment in the country

              Pakistan refuses military-technical cooperation with its main ally - Washington. Islamabad's unprecedented demarche, after the September 11 attacks, provided key support for the US and NATO operations in Afghanistan, was a response to President Donald Trump's decision to freeze aid programs to Pakistan, accused of non-fulfillment of allied obligations and aiding terrorism. The suspension of cooperation programs with the state, which for the United States has the status of "the main ally outside NATO," became the most radical turn in Washington's Asian policy, pushing Pakistan towards rapprochement with China and Russia.

              https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3515877

              1. +5
                19 August 2021 10: 22
                Trump has been raking in Obamba's wondrous deeds. Pakistan got mad and, indeed, pay him. Pakistan, instead of US technology, began to spend the American loot on the Chinese one. Pakistan agreed with Gazprom to build a gas pipeline from the ocean, where LNG would be liquefied and transferred through a pipe to the north. Mark my word, this gas pipeline will be reversed, and in the north it will connect to a gas pipeline from Russia and pipe gas will go south. Pakistan has begun a stormy cooperation with Iran. All this, thanks to the wonderful deeds of Obamchik. At the time of the decision, Trump was absolutely right. Although this was expressed in a scandal, the point of no return was earlier. Bin Laden works wonders even by death. This, as in Syria, did not succeed in recapturing Syria from the Russians, so they also lost Turkey. Here Afgan's failure pales against the backdrop of the loss of Pakistan. Incidentally, Pakistan is the only Islamic nuclear-missile power (hello to Israel). Under the USSR, Pakistan and China were allies of the United States, and a little earlier, and Shah's Iran. Imagine Rimland's belt. And now? A hole from Turkey, but read frail Bulgaria wassat to Japan. Nobody expected that New Russia (Putin's) would build friendly relations with Turkey, Iran, China and even Pakistan. And the Americans will be driven out of there with rags. And how well it all started. The hegemon smashed Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan, well, there is Libya in the bargain. And now?
                1. +3
                  19 August 2021 11: 17
                  Quote: hrych
                  Imagine Rimland's belt.

                  For the collapse of the "Anaconda ring" I am separately glad.
                  He who has eyes, let him see! Yes
        2. +7
          19 August 2021 09: 30
          They left an army of 300 thousand, decently armed.


          There were neither 750 thousand nor 300. There was an investigation that found 44 ghost battalions. Essentially dead souls. Yes, on paper, but not in reality. They received weapons, uniforms and salaries from the US treasury, but where it went is unknown.
          1. +2
            19 August 2021 09: 55
            I think the investigations are still ahead. There will be resignations, there will be landings. An investigation will definitely begin in Congress. Here is the fall of doctrine, the fall of the hegemon ... it is difficult even to assess these events.
            1. +5
              19 August 2021 11: 00
              I think the investigations are still ahead. There will be resignations, there will be landings. An investigation will definitely begin in Congress.


              How many have sat down to leave Vietnam? As for me, nothing will happen. They will pretend that nothing has happened. Sociology shows that 70% of the population supported the withdrawal from Afgan. People wanted the army to leave, so it did. Of course, this will affect the rating of the old man.
            2. +3
              19 August 2021 15: 45
              investigations are ahead
              How to calculate now? While they were standing there, one could come with an inspection, conduct an audit, and today everything will be blamed on the Taliban, and ends up in the water.
              1. +2
                19 August 2021 16: 24
                How Operation S laughing Everything is stolen before us.
          2. +2
            19 August 2021 10: 02
            Quote: Choi
            There were neither 750 thousand nor 300. There was an investigation that found 44 ghost battalions. Essentially dead souls. On paper there is, but in reality not.

            Send a link. Do not take it for work. bully
            1. +2
              19 August 2021 10: 54
              Send a link. Do not take it for work.



              https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2021/08/14/en-afghanistan-les-raisons-du-fiasco-de-l-armee_6091418_3210.html

              I even played down. 46 battalions of 800 men each.

              But if the French are wrong, there are enough other sources in their article. For example, the wall street journal back in 2016 wrote about 30 thousand dead souls receiving salaries.

              https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-military-moves-to-clear-ghost-soldiers-from-afghan-payroll-1484822415
              1. +1
                19 August 2021 11: 00
                Looked at your link.
                From what could be read, it follows that they counted 48 battalions (38 men) "ghostly".
                And not the entire army of Afghanistan consisted of 48 battalions.
                The states are officially talking about 300 (only spetsnaz 000) and the probability of an error by an order of magnitude is very, very small. hi
                1. 0
                  19 August 2021 11: 57
                  And not the entire army of Afghanistan consisted of 48 battalions.
                  The states are officially talking about 300 (only spetsnaz 000) and the probability of an error by an order of magnitude is very, very small.


                  I didn’t say that the Afghan army had all these battalions. But 30 thousand is 10% of all forces. And that's just what lies on the surface. Yes, even if half surrendered and fled, where did another 150 thousand fighters go?
                  1. +1
                    19 August 2021 11: 59
                    Quote: Choi
                    where else 150 thousand fighters have gone?

                    250 have gone somewhere. Maybe to the Taliban.
                    They did not defend the occupiers and their puppets from their own. Considering the role of the clans, this is not surprising.
          3. 0
            19 August 2021 18: 44
            Is it corruption ?! )) But they have been fighting with her for 7 years in Ukraine ...
        3. +7
          19 August 2021 09: 35
          Quote: hrych
          And there were attempts to support with aviation, but it did not grow together.

          Exactly who to bomb? The Taliban have no military-defensive infrastructure. By day, they are the same citizens as everyone else. And, at night, bribery, blackmail or ax-head. Only the special services work here.
      2. +6
        19 August 2021 09: 32
        Quote: Yarasa
        Most likely, they did not expect the Taliban to take the country so quickly.

        About this for about six months, as only the mute did not speak. Moreover, the texture of the data, intelligence had to be like two and two. What did they do?
    2. +2
      19 August 2021 08: 06
      One gets the impression that the military was more satisfied with Trump. And what is happening can be regarded as a "setup" of Biden, he wanted to withdraw, and so they took him out.
    3. +5
      19 August 2021 08: 23
      And it seems to me that a certain lull in the confrontation between the striped and the Taliban is due to the fact that the Taliban themselves did not expect such a pace of development of events. Now a little will figure out among themselves who will steer what, and then the most interesting will begin. In the meantime, the whole crowd of foreigners, no matter where they are on the territory of Afghanistan, potential hostages, and the surrounded airport is not a safe zone at all, since the arrival of the planes is controlled by the Taliban.
    4. 0
      20 August 2021 04: 13
      The United States and its loyal allies, the Germans, saved what was closest to them. Some service dogs, others beer. But they did not just forget about hangers-on, such as Ukrainians, Romanians and others. They threw them in full. And why think about them - this is already a waste material. Ukraine came to its senses and decided to show that they are worried about their own, they sent a plane. But who will allow the renegades to pass through the territory occupied by the Taliban. We'll probably have to bow to the aggressor in order to help, but this is open to question. The Nazis won't allow it. Maybe they will understand at least something.
  2. Bat
    +5
    19 August 2021 07: 31
    I’m very interested in why the Americans pushed out of Afghanistan so abruptly and quickly. Were you afraid of the Taliban? Rave. What influenced them to leave Afghanistan so quickly in a couple of days? What's the catch?
    1. +3
      19 August 2021 07: 46
      Quote: Yarasa
      why the Americans pushed out of Afghanistan so abruptly and quickly.

      It is logical to assume that someone wise advised to do just that !!! and this time it was advised by someone who was in the know, knew the real situation there.
      1. +5
        19 August 2021 08: 05
        Quote: rocket757
        I was aware of the real situation there.

        Finish the thought ... and had a good gesheft in the created chaos.
        1. +4
          19 August 2021 08: 43
          They saved the lives of THEIR soldiers ... perhaps they thought it would be better this way.
          The problems of the locals DO NOT excite them, they are military, not politicians ...
          1. +3
            19 August 2021 09: 19
            Quote: rocket757
            The problems of the locals DO NOT excite them, they are military, not politicians ...

            This is how the Americans came to Afghanistan, not to protect its population and create a state. They clearly said, "We came to establish Western democracy." That says it all.
            PS "Western democracy is a perverted form of the bourgeois state." I.V. Stalin
            1. +2
              19 August 2021 09: 52
              Yes, yes, until the last moment they "built" dermocracies, gender equality and other MURUs, as the local population believes ... by the way, did not frail babosiks get bonuses different from CNN? recently.
              PPP. Again, by the way. The USSR also tried to deal with all unnecessary nonsense there, in such an archaic country as Afghanistan, BUT, they also built a lot of useful, necessary things, tried to improve the life of ordinary Afghans, and this should not be forgotten, because MANY is still preserved, the inhabitants of Afghanistan themselves are functioning. DO NOT FORGET !!! unlike Western, progressive countries / politicians ...
              If you make a list, compare ... minke whales and their hangers-on are DESTROYERS and nothing else.
              1. +3
                19 August 2021 11: 02
                Quote: rocket757
                minke whales and their hangers-on are DESTROYERS and nothing else.

                Well, they are also creators, they created in Bagram the largest 3-storey prison and a gas station, the most expensive in the world for 53 lemons of greenery, at a cost of half a lemon.
                1. +1
                  19 August 2021 11: 38
                  What little things ... well, washed, grabbed a "sensitive" babosikov, the most cunning ... still print, not the first time.
      2. +6
        19 August 2021 09: 40
        Quote: rocket757
        Quote: Yarasa
        why the Americans pushed out of Afghanistan so abruptly and quickly.

        It is logical to assume that someone wise advised to do just that !!! and this time it was advised by someone who was in the know, knew the real situation there.

        hi
        On February 29, 2020, the United States and the Taliban signed a peace agreement called the Doha Agreement, with clauses including the withdrawal of all US and NATO regular troops from Afghanistan, a Taliban commitment to prevent al-Qaeda from operating in areas under its control The Taliban; and including negotiations between the Taliban and the government of the then Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.
        The deal was backed by China, Pakistan and Russia and unanimously approved by the UN Security Council.


        The signing was attended by representatives of 30 countries, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, from Russia - the Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for Afghanistan, Director of the Second Department of Asia of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Zamir Kabulov, and from the USA - Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
        1. +3
          19 August 2021 09: 57
          Quote: Terenin
          The signing was attended by representatives of 30 countries

          Yes, this is understandable, BUT, who is the first with us, always, on different contracts, the bolt lays down ??? These are empty pieces of paper for them, the promises given by the native, and indeed, to anyone, for them an empty phrase.
          The Yankees did as they did ... now only the consequences, there is NO SENSE to talk about anything else!
          1. +6
            19 August 2021 10: 05
            Quote: rocket757
            now only the consequences, there is NO SENSE to talk about anything else!

            For example, I have an interest and meaning to talk about the structure of the Taliban, their think tank, intelligence, counterintelligence ... the algorithm is the work of Hawala (financial and settlement systems) ...
            1. +2
              19 August 2021 10: 48
              So this is exactly the PERSPECTIVE.
              They seem to be building their own, Islamic state ... i.e. reformatting is inevitable.
              It seems archaic to us ... it DOESN'T CARE them! they will build what they themselves see, how they themselves want ...
              That's when everything starts to settle down, then it makes sense to consider WHAT THEY ARE.
              In the meantime, the formation processes are underway, the devil himself will break his leg ... especially for us, people who are far from their fundamental ideas.
              At least, I have not heard or read ANYTHING that can be considered as a convincing version of the development of events ... everything happened too quickly, no one has yet plunged into the topic so deeply.
              1. +3
                19 August 2021 11: 30
                Quote: rocket757
                And while the formation processes are underway, the devil himself will break his leg ...

                The right time for implementation, recruitment ...
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    2. +1
      19 August 2021 07: 59
      Not in a couple of days and not abruptly
      On February 29, 2020, the United States and the Taliban signed a peace agreement called the Doha Agreement [1] with clauses including the withdrawal of all US and NATO regular troops from Afghanistan, a Taliban commitment to prevent al-Qaeda from operating in areas under the control of the Taliban; and involving negotiations between the Taliban and the government of the then Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. [2] The deal was backed by China, Pakistan and Russia [3] and unanimously approved by the UN Security Council. [4]

      The Trump administration agreed to an initial reduction from 13000 to 8600 troops by July 2020, with a subsequent full withdrawal by May 1, 2021, if the Taliban live up to their commitments. [5] However, the Biden administration said the US would not begin withdrawing until May 1 and would complete the withdrawal until September 11. [6] [7] On July 8, Biden set the deadline for the US withdrawal to be August 31. [8]

      Biden pulled on with the release
      1. sav
        +20
        19 August 2021 08: 05
        Just before the withdrawal, the Pentagon relaxed, thinking that agreements with the Taliban would help.
        1. +6
          19 August 2021 08: 12
          Actually, to a certain extent, they helped
          After all, the Taliban have not yet touched anyone, either at the airport, or in Kabul itself, or diplomats or other foreigners. And they don't attack the military at the airport - they really wait until they take out those who want to leave.
          One gets the impression that the Taliban are in no hurry to quarrel with the United States.
          1. +5
            19 August 2021 08: 47
            Quote: Avior
            One gets the impression that the Taliban are in no hurry to quarrel with the United States.

            What for? They won, the enemy RUNS very quickly, so why should they be soared once more .... all the more they are left with a lot of useful and useful things !!!
            Also, if they want their own state, they have to think about the future ... they will have to trade, cooperate with many, this is how things are done now.
            1. -1
              19 August 2021 08: 59
              According to an official agreement, legalized by the UN, with the Americans, they were supposed to withdraw their troops before May 1. It's the end of August now. So running is not quite the right word.
              1. 0
                19 August 2021 09: 09
                Quote: Avior
                So running is not quite the right word.

                Ha, ha, no verbiage ... they scuffle, faster than their whistle, throwing everything that is possible and impossible! besides, he didn't even give them an accelerating kick, on their own!
                And you must have been a fan of UkrTV, the local experts are foaming at the mouth, proving that it was the USSR that fled from Afgan, and the minke whales come out with dignity and dignity ... so what, really?
                smiled laughing
                By official agreement, legalized by the UN
                1. 0
                  19 August 2021 09: 38
                  The Americans left Afghanistan on the basis of quite official agreements at the UN level for a long time, even delaying a few with this withdrawal.
                  The Taliban, in any case, has shown that these agreements are also fully implemented.
                  These are facts.
                  1. +1
                    19 August 2021 10: 15
                    Yes, I have something for ba ra ba well !!! who and how he thinks ... they scrambled, threw it, and that's it.
                    Now they will slurp exactly what they themselves brewed.
                    By the way, to worry about the Yankees, it's an empty matter, they are still cunning guys ... well, those who sip this "brew" will run out, they will write off the losses on the "losers" and CHOOSE THE FOLLOWING.
                    What will they do next? Yes, the same, only with other faces at the helm.
                    1. +2
                      19 August 2021 11: 14
                      Quote: rocket757
                      Yes, I have something for ba ra ba well !!! who and how he thinks ... they scrambled, threw it, and that's it.

                      Let's put it simply - threw it.
                      1. 0
                        19 August 2021 11: 40
                        They threw those who were not considered their own, NEVER!
                        This is not news, it is just on the rise, cynicism has gone off scale already given, where else then?
                2. +1
                  19 August 2021 11: 19
                  Quote: rocket757
                  And you must have been a fan of UkrTV, the local experts are foaming at the mouth, proving that it was the USSR that fled from Afgan, and the minke whales come out with dignity and dignity ... so what, really?

                  If you believe UkroTV, then striped men are knights and gentlemen in halts. Well, these noble people cannot skelp and abandon other helpless ones.
                  1. +1
                    19 August 2021 11: 43
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Well, these noble people cannot skip and throw other helpless ones.

                    They can, they can, and how!
                    Chubaty would have to wind on that forelock and think about the future, the consequences ... but no. Chub that is, but what should be under it, for many it is not at all necessary, it turned out.
          2. -1
            19 August 2021 09: 12
            Quote: Avior
            One gets the impression that the Taliban are in no hurry to quarrel with the United States.

            They are not yet trying to quarrel with anyone. But they gave the term until September 11, and I think with a hint of 2001. So let's see what happens after 11.09.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX.
            1. +1
              19 August 2021 10: 04
              They did not give any deadline until September 11, this is Biden's decision, then he corrected it until August 31
              1. -1
                19 August 2021 11: 12
                Quote: Avior
                They did not give any deadline until September 11, this is Biden's decision, then he corrected it until August 31

                The old one became "beguiled by the rams," and he still dreams of September 11, like a nightmare.
              2. +1
                20 August 2021 04: 48
                We read carefully:
                After seizing control over Afghanistan, the militants of the radical terrorist movement Taliban (banned in Russia) ordered Washington to withdraw its troops from the country before September 11. This was stated by the representative of the movement Suheil Shahin, Sky News reports.

                Shahin noted that the United States must comply with the terms for the withdrawal of the military contingent, which were announced earlier. At the same time, he stressed that the Taliban will not attack the American military on Afghan territory. According to him, representatives of the movement did not attack the forces of the United States.
                1. 0
                  20 August 2021 05: 59
                  We read carefully:
                  After seizing control over Afghanistan, the militants of the radical terrorist movement Taliban (banned in Russia) ordered Washington to withdraw its troops from the country before September 11. This was stated by the representative of the movement Suheil Shahin

                  He can say anything, but the decision to withdraw before September 11 was made long before that.

                  US President Joe Biden has made a decision to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan, a senior US Department of Defense official said on April 13.

                  "Biden wants to withdraw all 2,5 US troops from Afghanistan by 11/XNUMX," CNN reports.

                  Later, Biden decided to withdraw all troops a little earlier, before August 31.
      2. +2
        19 August 2021 08: 50
        They were looking for someone to hang it on ... the "load" is heavy, a lot of problems and consequences!
        Uncle Joe, as a disciplined party member, took it all upon himself!
      3. +3
        19 August 2021 09: 47
        Quote: Avior
        Not in a couple of days and not abruptly
        On February 29, 2020, the United States and the Taliban signed a peace agreement called the Doha Agreement [1] with clauses including the withdrawal of all US and NATO regular troops from Afghanistan, a Taliban commitment to prevent al-Qaeda from operating in areas under the control of the Taliban; and involving negotiations between the Taliban and the government of the then Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. [2] The deal was backed by China, Pakistan and Russia [3] and unanimously approved by the UN Security Council. [4]

        The Trump administration agreed to an initial reduction from 13000 to 8600 troops by July 2020, with a subsequent full withdrawal by May 1, 2021, if the Taliban live up to their commitments. [5] However, the Biden administration said the US would not begin withdrawing until May 1 and would complete the withdrawal until September 11. [6] [7] On July 8, Biden set the deadline for the US withdrawal to be August 31. [8]

        Biden pulled on with the release

        Sorry, Sergey didn't finish reading and duplicated hi
      4. 0
        19 August 2021 18: 48
        Grandpa just had dementia .. he forgot .. then he was reminded
    3. +7
      19 August 2021 08: 10
      They took them out slowly for 1,5 years.

      In July, they practically piled up completely. At the same time, the Taliban had to be persuaded to postpone it for 3 months.

      It's just that Twitter analysts have suggested to the establishment that Ghani and Co. will resist at least for another year. And when the provinces fall, then this is the alignment of the front in order to concentrate forces in the important capitals of the provinces.

      Actually, this circus is not the withdrawal of the army, but the withdrawal of civilians, contractors, diplomats, as well as persons with documents. To which were added several tens of thousands of ordinary Afghans, who also want to dump at any cost and are ready to be tied to the chassis.
      1. +2
        19 August 2021 09: 08
        Quote: donavi49
        In July, they practically piled up completely. At the same time, the Taliban had to be persuaded to postpone it for 3 months.

        These interesting civilians, already in the month of June, everyone knew that they had to smear their heels with lard, and they began to bring down from Afgan, and those who remained, it is not clear what they were thinking about.
        1. +6
          19 August 2021 09: 30
          In the sense it is not clear? The contracts were fulfilled. Well, even at the end of July, the situation was generally controlled (when analysts gave 3-5 months of struggle). And the mass exodus at that moment would have given a clear signal that Ghani is all, the Taliban have won.

          The main complaints now are not about the fact that they were sitting to the end, but about how the export operation was prepared and carried out. From wheels, without a plan (but it should have been, and the fact that thousands of Afghans would run to cling to planes, this should also be taken into account), without order, without any messages that are understandable to the population.
          1. +1
            19 August 2021 09: 41
            Nobody thought the removal of civilians would be so urgent
            If the situation had not developed so quickly, they would have left gradually and without a rush
          2. 0
            19 August 2021 09: 55
            Quote: donavi49
            From wheels, without a plan (but it should have been, and the fact that thousands of Afghans would run to cling to planes, this should also be taken into account), without order, without any messages that are understandable to the population.

            And where and when the Americans were worried about local civilians, this was the case in Korea and Vietnam, but even during the intervention in Russia, they also did not take them out to Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok, any of the local population.
            1. 0
              19 August 2021 12: 08
              where and when the Americans were worried about local civilians, this was the case in Korea and Vietnam, but even during the intervention in Russia, they also did not take them out to Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok, no one from the local population.


              Korea. During the evacuation of Chongnam Island, the USS Meredith Victory transported 14 refugees in one voyage. This is a record.
              More than 5 thousand Vietnamese were evacuated from Vietnam by helicopters alone. Except for the Baby lift operation.
              And about Arkhangelsk funny. Whom did they have to evacuate from there?
              1. 0
                19 August 2021 18: 44
                Quote: Choi
                And about Arkhangelsk funny. Whom did they have to evacuate from there?

                Army of the Northern Territory of 25 bayonets, plus the militia, commander General V.V. Marushevsky, he was replaced by E.K. Miller (who was stolen by the NKVD in 000) was in Arkhangelsk and at the same time was the governor. The invaders fled without evacuating anyone from the White Army. February 1937, 19 E.K. Miller emigrated. Together with General Miller, about 1920 servicemen and civilian refugees who fled on the Kozma Minin icebreaker and the Yaroslavna yacht were able to escape. V.V. Marushevsky fled to Sweden. The rest went under the Revolutionary Tribunal.
                Somehow like this.
              2. 0
                19 August 2021 18: 49
                Quote: Choi
                Whom did they have to evacuate from there?

                By the way, if you want to read the book in Proza.ru "White Guard. General Marushevsky"
                Sergey Alekseevich Porokhin
          3. +2
            19 August 2021 15: 57
            The main complaints now are not about the fact that they were sitting to the end, but about how the export operation was prepared and carried out. From wheels, without a plan (but it should have been, and the fact that thousands of Afghans would run to cling to planes, this should also be taken into account), without order, without any messages that are understandable to the population.
            The lack of a sane organization during the evacuation is just a small but picturesque illustration of the inability of the modern United States to organize anything at all. Actually, the surrender of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and further with all the stops is a consequence of the realization by the whole world of the fact that this group that has been implanting democracy for decades is not capable of creating efficient state structures.
      2. 0
        19 August 2021 18: 51
        Twitter analysts, you say? But analysts of military intelligence just about such a development of events and warned ... for a long time ... for at least six months ... Why did not the leadership hear them? Are you used to being hegemonic?
    4. +9
      19 August 2021 08: 14
      I got the impression that all this is a multi-pass in the style of the British. The mattresses themselves have already realized that they will not be able to achieve those goals (richest deposits of PI, influence in the region, creating problems for Russia and China) in Avgan and the republics of Central Asia. became a black financial hole. The top of the local government was mired in theft. Now well-trained and armed "refugees", not burdened with families, but with a wonderful financial situation rushed to the republics (soldiers and police were paid in shares and through banks). that mattresses in every way want to equip these figures in Central Asia. So it comes to mind for a year or two it will be quiet, and then it will explode everywhere at once, to the delight of us and the Chinese. as always, cut coupons from everyone in a crowd.
      1. +1
        19 August 2021 08: 54
        Quote: zadorin1974
        it is a British style multi-move.

        Yes, yes, it really looks like they ... have done their job to the fullest and are just running!
        Undoubtedly, they added problems to us ... but they did not cover up their "karma" so that the century will not wash off!
        You should not look for a deep meaning where it simply DOESN'T!
        "tuzik is dead" ... I have to admit it and that's it.
    5. 0
      19 August 2021 09: 43
      In the first guards TA and Ukraine. Now the command of the Central Military District is in the position of Buridan's donkey.
      Sincerely
  3. +5
    19 August 2021 07: 41
    The adequacy of the striped power structure along the entire perimeter sinks below the city sewer. What is military, what is civil and it is alarming.
  4. +3
    19 August 2021 07: 44
    Retired NATO chief of staff in Afghanistan: Who came up with the idea to withdraw the army first, then civilian personnel?
    I wonder who he designated as civilians? The ambassadors, their own, were taken away .... and the locals, but who will have a headache for them there in the striped hair ??? in general, the warrior is clearly NOT IN THE TOPIC !!! that it was precisely the advice of the MILITARY, INTELLIGENCE, TO SILENT, otherwise the losses of theirs would have been many, many more!
    1. +2
      19 August 2021 09: 34
      Quote: rocket757
      in general, the warrior is clearly NOT IN THE TOPIC !!!

      hi You need to dig deeper here. Warrior, as in that joke: "Schaub I was as smart as my wife later."

      None of the political elite expected the capture of Kabul by the Taliban in particular and Afgan in general. By the way - in general... What kind of evacuation can we talk about if the Americans and the entire coalition proceeded from the fact - and this is in all seriousness, I ignore intelligence reports - that the pro-Western regime in Afghanistan will not fall. Hence this chaos. Nobody planned to skedaddle from Afgan, losing underpants.

      That is, in my opinion, the plan was something like this: the Americans + coalition to the sounds of the orchestra and with flags happily and proudly leave Afghanistan, transferring all powers to the local government. Aftanistan remains the state that the coalition left it, i.e. secular. The Taliban remain a small threat that the Afghan army, so remarkably armed and, most importantly, trained by coalition forces, is successfully fending off.
      1. +2
        19 August 2021 10: 07
        Quote: Kurare
        You need to dig deeper here.

        Let's dig deeper.
        Quote: Kurare
        None of the political elite expected the capture of Kabul by the Taliban in particular and Afgan in general.

        Are they absolutely deb / B / ily and do not read history from the definition AT ALL? You don't have to go far, this kind of thing happened quite RECENTLY, from the point of view of history !!! Witnesses of those events are still alive.
        So sho the question of whether they thought or not, you need to shoot! there is no one and there is nothing to think about!
        Quote: Kurare
        Nobody planned to skedaddle from Afgan, losing underpants.

        As soon as they asked those who "worked in the field" were IN THE TOPIC, they were popularly explained that for what and how now it is possible ... it's me that there is a difference between REAL SPECIALISTS and those who work in headquarters and in various offices on the hill ...
        EVERYTHING, there is nothing more to discuss!
        And who DOES NOT UNDERSTAND something, listen to Drobnitsky, Bagdasarov, Khodorenok, Satanovsky and other serious people. Much will become clear ...
        1. +2
          19 August 2021 11: 01
          Quote: rocket757
          Are they absolutely deb / B / ily and do not read history from the definition AT ALL?

          No, they are not completely stupid people, they are simply divorced from reality and do not put the intelligence services and specialists in a particular field in a penny if this contradicts their political doctrine.
          Quote: rocket757
          this kind of thing happened quite RECENTLY, from the point of view of history !!!

          good History should be taught, not deleted. In the United States, in recent years, they have been doing this very energetically. Anything that is historically "politically incorrect" is simply destroyed.
          Quote: rocket757
          And who DOES NOT UNDERSTAND something, listen to Drobnitsky, Bagdasarov, Khodorenok, Satanovsky and other serious people. Much will become clear ...

          They are listened to when "the train has already left". In politics, especially in Western politics, at the moment there are people who live from elections to elections. These people are simply not able to perceive information from competent sources. The only useful information for them is that which gives them a chance to stay in power. In addition, they occupy positions in which they were appointed only by moving up the "party ladder". Look at most of the ministers of defense and foreign affairs, they have no idea about the army and diplomacy.
          1. +1
            19 August 2021 11: 36
            All this is sad, because the country is significant, important in all world affairs ...
            What they are doing to themselves is beyond my comprehension.
            And we, to look from the outside, carefully and, if possible, if necessary, pick up what is in our interests and ANYWHERE!
            1. -3
              19 August 2021 11: 38
              And pray that you end up with the Iranian version, not the Libyan one ... but the states gave you a present. Well, Biden is not a fighter, it was clear for a long time, and it’s not sickly you the Islamists were thrown by your side.
              1. +1
                19 August 2021 11: 51
                Who was thrown when?
                it is possible differently - and before they were not there?
                1. 0
                  19 August 2021 12: 13
                  Were under control. It is doubtful that the same Taliban would become the head of state in the previous two decades ... At the end of the 90s, it is known what kind of "gadyushnik" there was.
                  Ps. Especially amusing is the statement to take control of drug trafficking ...
                  1. 0
                    19 August 2021 12: 26
                    Quote: Shahno
                    Were under control.

                    Under whose control, when and how? Did I miss something?
                    1. -1
                      19 August 2021 13: 03
                      NS. We decided to argue about the criteria. It is very good to be in control, it does not have to be completely controllable (robotics without AI, for example). It is enough that important channels of access to resources, information, etc. are blocked for you.
                      Sorry for the details, like ..
                      The children were blocked off the financial channels and that's it, they set up a government. Yes, they spent a lot of money, Uncle Biden was fed up. In principle, you can understand ... Al Qaeda was strangled. And then it’s the problems of Afghanistan’s neighbors.
                      1. 0
                        19 August 2021 13: 32
                        Usually, the most effective means of management is the elementary bribery of LEADERS, LEADERS, SIGNIFICANT FIGURES.
                        But it is not always possible to isolate someone ... for various reasons. No one has grown such a closure that would be able to radically close anyone when he wants to.
                        This is an objective reality.
              2. +1
                19 August 2021 18: 54
                you might think that over the past decades they have disappeared somewhere ..
            2. +1
              19 August 2021 12: 13
              Quote: rocket757
              All this is sad, because the country is significant, important in all world affairs ...

              The fact of the matter is that through Afghanistan you can put pressure on: China, Russia, India, Iran.
              Quote: rocket757
              What they are doing to themselves is beyond my comprehension.

              Almost ALL parliaments included in the so-called. the coalition are now busy asking very unpleasant questions to the government. In Germany, for example, Foreign Minister H. Maas was called "the worst foreign minister since 1945". Roughly the same in Holland.

              Only here is the "problem", their memory is short. In a couple of years everything will be "forgotten". The main thing is to control information flows.
              1. +2
                19 August 2021 12: 40
                SIGNIFICANT, this is about minke whales ... Afghan, although included by some in their plans, everything is very questionable precisely because the people resist almost all plans that are being built on it from the outside !!! and what plans they have, so far, is clearly not clear.
                By the way, neither us, nor China, will get it through the power that is being formed there ... but fig knows how it will be ??? Depends on many reasons. We must wait, see, but the ground for cooperation and contacts must be prepared now ... however, the new authorities in Kabul must be informed about the limits of what is permissible, it must be very specific so that there are no discrepancies or problems later.
                In general, the process is long and complex.
                1. +1
                  19 August 2021 13: 01
                  Quote: rocket757
                  We must wait, see, but the ground for cooperation, contacts must be prepared now ...

                  To be honest, I was very surprised at the activity of Russia with the CSTO countries, bordering on Afghanistan, lately. It seems that in the Russian Federation they do not lull themselves with some kind of illusions, as they do in the West. And, hopefully, they effectively predict the situation far ahead.
                  Quote: rocket757
                  In general, the process is long and complex.

                  good If politicians understand this, then everything will be fine, and not like thinking "from elections to elections."
                  1. +1
                    19 August 2021 13: 15
                    You have to be active ... the local authorities, oh, the movies are flimsy, they should be pushed from the outside, the Tatars will fly into Tartars with a whistle! It is still holding on, as long as it is desirable for us that their mess would not go beyond the permissible!
                    They themselves are ... petty but proud, in fact nothing and nothing.
  5. +1
    19 August 2021 07: 54
    Retired NATO chief of staff in Afghanistan: Who came up with the idea to withdraw the army first, then civilian personnel?

    ***
    This idea did not come to my mind ...
    ***
    1. +1
      19 August 2021 08: 01
      Their hind mind is, as always, better.
  6. +2
    19 August 2021 07: 57
    There is no concept of a planned retreat at the Pentagon, there is only a victorious redeployment, and there is no room for civilians.
    1. +2
      19 August 2021 09: 00
      Quote: tralflot1832
      There is no concept of a planned retreat in the Pentagon, there is only a victorious redeployment.

      The Pentagon and the army are one, but no civilians.
  7. +2
    19 August 2021 08: 13
    Retired NATO chief of staff in Afghanistan: Who came up with the idea to withdraw the army first, then civilian personnel?
    Why won't he ask this question to the can, or to the ponto? bully
  8. +3
    19 August 2021 08: 20
    winked I read and enjoy, although there is some concern. Apparently, this Austin Scott Miller guy is not stupid. Those. they have fools.
    1. +1
      19 August 2021 08: 59
      Quote: Captive
      Apparently, this Austin Scott Miller guy is not stupid. Those. they have fools.

      I met with a lieutenant colonel, a competent and sensible guy, he even learned Russian on his own.
      1. +1
        19 August 2021 09: 00
        The main thing is that the smart ones are not allowed to go up. Let's cry. laughing
    2. +4
      19 August 2021 09: 51
      Quote: Captive
      winked I read and enjoy, although there is some concern. Apparently, this Austin Scott Miller guy is not stupid. Those. they have fools.

      Usually several options are offered, but the final strategic decision is made not by the military, but by the White House. It was there that the "strategists" made this decision.
  9. +1
    19 August 2021 08: 31
    Good question.
    Someone's general head can fly. Or maybe not.
    1. +4
      19 August 2021 09: 53
      Quote: Machete
      Good question.
      Someone's general head can fly. Or maybe not.

      If the general does not show a copy of his decision, which the plowmen in the White House rejected laughing
  10. +1
    19 August 2021 08: 32
    TE Chief of Staff of NATO forces in Afghanistan Miller's cattle left when he realized what was planned. What a fine fellow the chief of staff.
    1. +2
      19 August 2021 08: 45
      Quote: 2я19
      Miller left when he realized what was coming.

      Rather, he was asked, or simply kicked out, knowing his position on the withdrawal of troops.
      1. +5
        19 August 2021 09: 53
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: 2я19
        Miller left when he realized what was coming.

        Rather, he was asked, or simply kicked out, knowing his position on the withdrawal of troops.

        I think so. Yes
  11. +3
    19 August 2021 08: 43
    Who even designed this operation? Who came up with the idea of ​​first withdrawing the army, then civilian personnel.

    It seems that the plan was not developed by the Pentagon, but by the Taliban leadership.
  12. +1
    19 August 2021 08: 53
    It was necessary to send there "unstoppable" or "suicide squad".
    1. +1
      19 August 2021 09: 41
      Quote: Shaman
      It was necessary to send there "unstoppable" or "suicide squad".

      There were 12 such people left.
    2. +4
      19 August 2021 09: 57
      Quote: Shaman
      It was necessary to send there "unstoppable" or "suicide squad".

      Film director James Gunn is on vacation.
      1. +1
        19 August 2021 11: 07
        Quote: Terenin
        Film director James Gunn is on vacation.

        The main character Vazelin is also on vacation (on maternity leave).
        1. +3
          19 August 2021 19: 31
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Terenin
          Film director James Gunn is on vacation.

          The main character Vazelin is also on vacation (on maternity leave).

          We will be merged laughing
          1. +1
            19 August 2021 19: 37
            Quote: Terenin
            We will be merged

            No doubt.
  13. +2
    19 August 2021 09: 55
    If Hollywood was filming, then everything would be heroically the other way around!
    1. 0
      19 August 2021 11: 09
      Quote: finish
      If Hollywood was filming, then everything would be heroically the other way around!

      The states are now tight with dollars, they refused to Hollywood, made an offer to Quarter-95.
    2. +1
      19 August 2021 11: 31
      If Hollywood was filming, then everything would be heroically the other way around!

      In a couple of years it will be removed. Everything was heroic, the Americans, well done, will save the world once again. laughing
      Propaganda does not sleep.
      1. +1
        19 August 2021 19: 38
        Quote: glory1974
        In a couple of years it will be removed. Everything was heroic, the Americans, well done, will save the world once again.

        Yes, in a couple of months the whole series will be bungled, where everything is turned upside down on its head.
  14. +1
    19 August 2021 12: 11
    I'm wondering why the general is now puzzled by this question, and not earlier. I retired a few weeks ago, and I could ask smart questions when it is necessary.
    1. 0
      19 August 2021 18: 48
      Better keep quiet. Everyone understood that he defended his ass, kept quiet while he was in office.
  15. 0
    20 August 2021 07: 31
    Evolution of the fall. The US put pressure on the Afghan president, who stalked. The US threatened him with leaving, just as they threaten all European countries, NATO members. The Afghan president did not heed and began to bend his line. USA is not happy. We decided to teach the Afghan president a lesson by withdrawing troops, relying on the Afghan army. This is not the case for the Afghan army and their president. And they disappeared. We decided to teach the United States a lesson. And the US leadership is not trainable in principle. Citizens of the United States and Afghanistan were injured.
    By the way, the United States did not fly to the moon. This ecumenical deception is proved by the recent report of the Chief Auditor of NASA, who stated that they will not fly to the moon in 2024 - there are no spacesuits, because the development is too expensive (1 billion US dollars, after 14 years of development). That is, they were not there. That is, the hegemony of the USSR in space was unconditional. That is, there really was a Hollywood-Goebbels bluff. That is, the invasion of Iraq is a trifle compared to the killing of the Kennedy brothers, 9-11, etc. "freedoms" of self-expression.
  16. 0
    20 August 2021 19: 07
    Who even designed this operation? Who came up with the idea of ​​first withdrawing the army, then civilian personnel.

    I think that in this way the US Army command set up Biden. I mean military specialists who are directly involved in the management of the army and the development of operations and sympathize with Trump, and not the ceremonial "political" generals from the establishment, who are in top positions and usually engaged in "cutting" the budget in conjunction with Congress, providing "black" work first. The plan itself did not cause significant damage to the US military, and the military does not like the "civilian" dealing with murky affairs. Afghans don't count at all. The authorship of the idea is most likely thoroughly vague, and the "ceremonial" generals will not dare to admit that they signed without looking or not understanding the approved plans.

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