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Russia is ready to assist Turkey in creating a new generation fighter

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In the largest Turkish city - Istanbul - the military-industrial exhibition IDEF-2021 opens. It will run until August 20, and Russian defense industry companies are taking an active part in it. On the eve of the international exhibition of arms and military equipment, the head of Rostec Sergey Chemezov gave an interview to Turkish journalists.


In a conversation with reporters of the Anadolu agency, the question was raised that Turkey is going to create its own fifth generation fighter. At the same time, Turkey has serious technological problems, because this country can hardly be called an advanced aircraft building power.

Answering questions from Turkish journalists, the head of Rostec said that the Russian state corporation is ready to help Turkey in creating a new generation combat aircraft. Sergei Chemezov emphasized that such assistance will be provided to Ankara if a request is received from the Turkish leadership.

Today, Turkey is forming a technical assignment for the creation of a 5th generation fighter TF-X. This fighter is planned to be created using "stealth" technologies, to arm it with modern and promising weapons.

The idea of ​​creating its own new generation combat aircraft in Turkey came due to the fact that the United States imposed sanctions against this country in connection with the purchase from Russia of the S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems. At one time, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan flew to Russia for an international aerospace show, where he was shown a fifth-generation Russian fighter Su-57. Ankara then promised to think about the possible purchase of modern fighters (Su-35 and Su-57) from Russia. At the same time, they began to promote the idea of ​​creating their own aviation complex of a new generation, but so far there are serious difficulties with this due to the lack of a number of key technologies. Nevertheless, the Turks have already held their presentation of the TF-X layout.
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  1. Cool but not Igor
    Cool but not Igor 17 August 2021 06: 32
    -20
    If this happens, while the Turks will launch it into series production, we will already have a new fighter on the way, despite the fact that no one will initially allow them to make a fighter better than the SU 57
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 17 August 2021 06: 45
      +11
      Quote: Cool but not Igor
      no one will initially let them make a fighter better than the SU 57

      The Turks already have good specialists.
      They manufacture and sell competitive weapons themselves.
      Finally, Turkey was by no means a friend of Russia from the outset. The only case, at the beginning of the 20th century, the young USSR helped them drive out the Greek occupiers. And so they always fought against.
      It's one thing when a not very strong Turkey trades and receives tourists.
      And another thing is when a strong Turkey begins to seize foreign territories by itself.
      Maybe Russia will then present territorial claims.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 17 August 2021 07: 22
        +6
        Quote: Shurik70

        Turks already have good specialists

        These are just statements ... Do the Turks have good experts in engine building? In the avionics of modern fighters? In stealth technology? Perhaps, but then they are very secret ... They say, if you cannot defeat an outrage, lead it. It's even safer with the Turks than with the Indians - there is definitely nothing at the exit ...
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 17 August 2021 20: 27
          -2
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Do the Turks have good experts in engine building? In the avionics of modern fighters? In stealth technology?

          Stealth technology is, of course, powerful. But any stealth has its own radar.
          The main striking force of the future is drones.
          And here they are, as it were, not ahead of Russia.
        2. demo
          demo 18 August 2021 15: 56
          -2
          Do the Turks have good experts in engine building? In the avionics of modern fighters? In stealth technology?
          And the one who helps to forge cadres of Turkish technicians and scientists, isn't he a state criminal within the framework of the legislation of the Russian Federation?
          There is no need to help.
          Turkey will never be a friend of Russia. Perhaps he will become the enemy. The policy of the Republic of Turkey, pursued by Erdogan, formulated by his party, shared by the majority of the Turkish people, is a very dangerous precedent in our southern direction.
          Moreover, Russia does not have such a policy, from the word "AT ALL"!
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 17 August 2021 07: 53
        0
        Quote: Shurik70
        The Turks already have good specialists.
        They manufacture and sell competitive weapons themselves.

        They create critical junctions for the F-35, Boeing civil aircraft and Airbus. Including engines.
        But they cannot create a fighter on their own, so the British and Italians are very actively helping them. For the Rolls-Royce engine, for everything else BAI and Leonardo.
      3. Doccor18
        Doccor18 17 August 2021 08: 29
        0
        Quote: Shurik70
        And another thing, when a strong Turkey ... Maybe Russia can then present territorial claims

        Well, it will be later ... and the "effective" ones should work here and now ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 17 August 2021 10: 10
          +1
          Quote: Doccor18
          Well, it will be later ... and the "effective" ones should work here and now ...

          Some kind of direct sale has begun What is it, buying loyalty, looking for new corridors for a rebound?
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 17 August 2021 10: 33
            +1
            Quote: Stroporez
            startedWhat is it, buying loyalty ...

            So the gas pipeline, Syria, lucrative tourism, tasty contracts ... Nowhere without Turkey ...
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 17 August 2021 07: 27
      +2
      we will already have
      I know a good toy store, you can not wait, but go and buy right now.
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 17 August 2021 07: 33
      +7
      Russia is ready to assist Turkey in creating a new generation fighter

      Sell ​​them the S-500! Money doesn't smell!

      And then news emerges that Russian scientists are selling hypersonic secrets. Yes, we seem to sell everything! If only they paid.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 17 August 2021 09: 05
        +4
        So soon, and with nuclear weapons, dear Turkish partners will be helped .. Strong Turkey - why do we need it? Are we best friends, do we have a conflict of interest? It looks like a loot - our small ones are ready to sell whatever they ask ..
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 17 August 2021 10: 32
          +5
          Quote: paul3390
          That way, they will help our dear Turkish partners with nuclear weapons ...

          So we are already helping, building from the Russian budget(!!!!!) NPP in Turkey, we train specialists, etc.
          And the Turks amicably shoot down our planes, make plans for the Turkic World from the Volga to Yakutia, etc. And our authorities are actively helping them in this.
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 17 August 2021 11: 56
          -2
          Quote: paul3390
          It looks like a loot - our small ones are ready to sell whatever they ask ..

          The unofficial anthem of our elite:
          "Smile, compradors because danger is still a trifle
          Smile compradors we are visiting the occasion of the beautiful
          This is our destiny, we cannot live otherwise! "
  2. Flooding
    Flooding 17 August 2021 06: 34
    +8
    Answering questions from Turkish journalists, the head of Rostec said that the Russian state corporation is ready to help Turkey in creating a new generation combat aircraft. Sergei Chemezov emphasized that such assistance will be provided to Ankara if a request is received from the Turkish leadership.

    in fact, this is a serious political statement
    but does it not go beyond the powers of the general director of the state corporation?
    1. venik
      venik 17 August 2021 08: 35
      +4
      Quote: Flood
      in fact, this is a serious political statement
      but does it not go beyond the powers of the general director of the state corporation?

      ========
      Do you think he has not previously agreed on this "above"?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 17 August 2021 14: 54
        -2
        Quote: venik
        Do you think he has not previously agreed on this "above"?

        it's not about where and what he agreed on
        but the fact that this issue is not within his competence.
        1. venik
          venik 17 August 2021 21: 54
          0
          Quote: Flood
          it's not about where and what he agreed on
          but the fact that this issue is not within his competence.

          ========
          But in this I am STRONGLY NOT SURE! It is precisely "such people" who are called to SOUND what they cannot voice "government officials" request
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 17 August 2021 21: 57
            0
            Quote: venik
            But in this I am STRONGLY NOT SURE! It is precisely "such people" who are called upon to SOUND what "government officials" cannot voice.

            voiced by the press service, public relations department
            and the CEO is in charge
            and, by the way, he is the state. an official, since he runs a state corporation.
            1. venik
              venik 17 August 2021 22: 39
              0
              Quote: Flood
              voiced by the press service, public relations department

              =====
              It seems that just in this matter you are seriously mistaken ... This is evidenced by your own life experience ...
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 17 August 2021 22: 45
                +1
                Quote: venik
                It seems that just in this matter you are seriously mistaken ... This is evidenced by your own life experience ...

                This means that everyone remains with his own.
                All the best.
                1. venik
                  venik 18 August 2021 09: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Flood
                  This means that everyone remains with his own.
                  All the best.

                  =======
                  Mutually! Have a nice day! drinks
                  PS Actually for this "comments" were invented! hi
  3. Dikson
    Dikson 17 August 2021 06: 52
    +8
    it's amazing how money obscures people's eyes .. Found friends called ..
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 17 August 2021 06: 57
      -6
      How to say it. They worked with India until they figured out that they were just being milked. But Turks are not Hindus.
      1. MMX
        MMX 17 August 2021 18: 37
        -1
        Quote: Kronos
        How to say it. They worked with India until they figured out that they were just being milked. But Turks are not Hindus.


        Everything is correct. Who would the Russian Federation help build a 5th generation aircraft?
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 17 August 2021 08: 49
      +4
      Quote: Dikson
      it's amazing how money obscures people's eyes .. Found friends called ..

      There is a fact: the S-400 technologies, as the Turks did not ask them, no one gave them. And all the talk on this topic has already died down.
      It is from this fact that we all need to proceed.
      And not to be sad about something that does not exist in nature. hi
      1. Asad
        Asad 19 August 2021 06: 34
        -2
        The С400 complex was sold, but the technology is not there? Why do Turks need one complex? To defend, for example, Istanbul, you need at least six or more pieces. In general, Erdogan is not eternal, a protege of the United States will come and the Turks will have F 35 and mattresses with 400.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 19 August 2021 08: 19
          -1
          Quote: ASAD
          The С400 complex was sold, but the technology is not there?

          The S-400 was sold, but the technology was gone. And the distant missile, too - no.

          Quote: ASAD
          Why do Turks need one complex? To defend, for example, Istanbul, you need at least six or more pieces.

          Abstracting about your understanding of the word "complex" and the necessary, in your opinion, the number of "complexes", I will ask a couple of questions.
          Have you read somewhere about why the Turks bought the S-400?
          And it said that they were buying to cover Istanbul?
          By the way, the next delivery of the S-400 is under discussion.

          In general, Erdogan is not eternal, a protege of the United States will come and the Turks will have F 35 and mattresses with 400.

          Erdogan is not eternal. Nobody is eternal. So what?
          To be afraid of wolves - do not go to the forest. We live here and now.
          And the GDP is engaged in real politics. And quite successfully. hi
          1. Asad
            Asad 19 August 2021 08: 33
            0
            Wait and see.
          2. Asad
            Asad 19 August 2021 08: 33
            0
            Wait and see. So then you answer why the Turks have a 400? If according to yours they sold one piece of hardware without the possibility of copying.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 19 August 2021 08: 49
              0
              Quote: ASAD
              Wait and see. So then you answer why the Turks have a 400?

              In my opinion, a purely evaluative opinion, the Turks need the S-400 in order, if necessary, to be able to defend themselves against coup d'etat attempts. And Greece's nerves to wind.
              US air defenses against NATO aircraft are not working. And the S-400 is easy. Therefore, they got so nervous overseas and in Greece.

              If according to yours they sold one piece of hardware without the possibility of copying.

              This is not in my opinion, but in fact. hi
  4. Graz
    Graz 17 August 2021 06: 57
    +8
    Turkey is not our ally at all. I don't understand caring about her aircraft
    1. venik
      venik 17 August 2021 08: 57
      +2
      Quote: Graz
      Turkey is not our ally at all. I don't understand caring about her aircraft

      ========
      Let them throw slippers at me, but I can't resist asking: Would you think it would be much better for the Americans to "take care" of the Turkish Armed Forces? Or would it be much better for our safety if instead of the S-400 there were Patriots there (in Turkey)? request
  5. Scipio
    Scipio 17 August 2021 06: 57
    +6
    Help the Turk again, found friends
  6. Dimy4
    Dimy4 17 August 2021 06: 58
    +2
    Why waste time on trifles? We would give all the scientific and technical base and specialists at once. It does not in any way enter their head that Turkey is an enemy, dangerous and treacherous. Loot interferes, blocked all paths to reason.
  7. askort154
    askort154 17 August 2021 07: 11
    +3
    Our would-be merchants should be interested in the history of Russian wars. With whom she had to fight the most. And there it says - with Turkey, already 12 times! But we stubbornly flirt with them, causing their favor to us. This summer "burns out" all of Russia, from Karelia to Yakutia, there is clearly not enough amphibious aircraft, despite this, Russia sent 2 B-200s to Turkey to save their beaches. This "concern for the Turks" cost us dearly, we lost the crew and the plane.
    The official authorities shyly keep silent about this case. Only a one-time message in the "news".
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 August 2021 07: 25
    +7
    Yes, the hike didn’t manage to get away with tomatoes. It will be cruel to take revenge on them. And our S-400s are free. And the Emergencies Ministry extinguishes fires, now the plane will help. Only unlike our officials, the plane will be made there and brought to mind.
    1. Nychego
      Nychego 17 August 2021 07: 35
      0
      These backs will not easily be substituted, incl. on the exchange of daggers, they will carry on with a devastating score for a long time to come.
  9. Nychego
    Nychego 17 August 2021 07: 32
    -1
    A good attempt at sabotage, but, I suppose, the Turks are now not the same as in the century before last, and so easily they can't get the bullshit out of their way with their comb.
  10. Togilen
    Togilen 17 August 2021 07: 54
    -1
    Help them to dig the channel. And then again, again, our expensive production will be thrown over the fence, after a month of banning tomatoes (and the rise in prices for the population), you will make up and the perdogan will find an extreme one. We guarantee all RF + Ottomans brothers.
  11. Crabong
    Crabong 17 August 2021 07: 58
    -9
    Teaching Turks to build airplanes is a great idea. This means creating a SCHOOL! These will be people who will study in Russia, who will live in Russia and who will further be a certain "column" in Turkey. Let them build a good car, it is not a problem for us. In the future, an independent Turkey is beneficial for Russia. And we can always give in the teeth, if that ...
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 17 August 2021 08: 02
      0
      .. and these "schoolchildren" will make planes that will bomb Russia .. They have already paid for watering tomatoes with another crew and car ..
      1. Nychego
        Nychego 17 August 2021 08: 25
        -1
        Anyone who began to make quite suitable UAVs is unlikely to lead to a return to manned vehicles.
        Rather, our Kronstadters, Yekaterinburg residents from the UZGA and other novice UAV builders would go to the Turks for training.
      2. Crabong
        Crabong 17 August 2021 08: 45
        -1
        Can you designate specific targets on which the Turks (in the future or in the present) are able to bombard?
        1. Andy
          Andy 17 August 2021 08: 55
          0
          and Sevastopol does not suit you? the number of their aviation will now kill the Russian one. khmeimim and tartus ...
          1. Crabong
            Crabong 17 August 2021 12: 11
            -1
            Sevastopol does not fit at all. No aviation (NATO) can break through to him ... This is the a2 / d2 area.
  12. Bat
    Bat 17 August 2021 08: 26
    -5
    How good that at the head of Russia are not those who are from this forum. With such thoughts, everyone is enemies.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 17 August 2021 08: 28
      0
      Bear Marked had all his friends .. - did it work out well?
      1. Bat
        Bat 17 August 2021 08: 29
        -6
        Turks know how to be friends, especially when friendship is real without footsteps.
        1. Nychego
          Nychego 17 August 2021 08: 34
          -1
          Quote: Yarasa
          Turks know how to be friends, especially when friendship is real without footsteps.

          Everyone knows how to be friends like that, but all the smart ones are so friendly only as long as it is profitable for them, and Russia, as long as it does not hurt too much.
          1. Bat
            Bat 17 August 2021 08: 38
            -6
            Quote: Nychego
            but all smart ones are so friendly only as long as it is profitable for them

            Dear, the Turkic countries know how to be friends and this is a fact. I will even say more, even getting the footpegs are friendly until it hurts too much, but then.

            I always ask myself a question. If my relationship with someone has deteriorated, then I'm looking for a reason. Here they write above that 13 times or how many times Russia fought with Turkey. Turks are enemies and all that. Good. And someone was looking for the cause of the war, why did the war start? Who attacked whom? Who chopped off the land from whom? Who destroyed whom? Etc...

            I am more than sure that if everyone starts looking for reasons, then we will understand many enemies that we deserve.
            1. Andy
              Andy 17 August 2021 08: 59
              +3
              absolutely idiot? who protected the raids of the Crimeans and had income from the slave trade? when they gained strength and threw them away from our land
              1. Bat
                Bat 17 August 2021 09: 01
                -8
                Quote: Andy
                who covered the raids of the Crimeans

                And who protected the Armenians against the Turkic people? Who dismembered the Iravan Khanate and created the Armenian province? And so on and so forth. Who organized a tank trip across Baku on January 20?
                1. Andy
                  Andy 17 August 2021 09: 03
                  +2
                  they write to you about Turkey. but since we are bad, whistle from the Russian site to your market in persimmon.
                  1. Bat
                    Bat 17 August 2021 09: 05
                    -3
                    Quote: Andy
                    they write to you about Turkey.

                    but I write about the Turks. I did not insult you. You wrote a claim, I wrote an answer why everything is so. Turkey and Azerbaijan are 1 nation of 2 countries. Do you understand now?

                    Quote: Andy
                    whistle from the Russian site to your market in persimmon.

                    lol We do not trade in persimmon. We buy persimmons.
                    1. Andy
                      Andy 17 August 2021 09: 08
                      +4
                      well then, "1 nation, 2 countries", there is nothing to be offended at the creation of an Armenian province ... and your grievances are up to me ...
                      1. Bat
                        Bat 17 August 2021 09: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Andy
                        well then, "1 nation, 2 countries", there is nothing to be offended at all

                        we have already resigned ourselves and act according to the circumstance and believe me, there are no offenses. on this I ask you not to react like that. Everything is natural. What we sow is what we reap.
                      2. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 17 August 2021 11: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarasa
                        Everything is natural. What we sow is what we reap.

                        That's it, that's it. Everything around you is enemies, whatever the relationship is in the present. Persians, Arabs, Kurds, Greeks, Bulgarians ... Is there someone who is a friend?
                        Israel not to offer ... laughing
                      3. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 17 August 2021 13: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Everything around you is enemies, whatever the relationship is in the present.

                        um ... who do you think is a friend of Russia?
                      4. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 17 August 2021 13: 22
                        -1
                        And we don't really need them, in the modern world there are no friends. There are allies, there are fellow travelers, partners, etc. It's enough. China alone is worth something. Plus, we're not trying to rebuild the Empire. (For now ... winked )
                        But the Turks want to build a new Turkic world, and these plans do not hide it. Here are just around full of those who do not want it at all.
                      5. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 17 August 2021 13: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        And we don't really need them, in the modern world there are no friends.

                        very interesting ... you want to say that it is normal for white Russians, but not for Turks?
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        There are allies, there are fellow travelers, partners, etc. It's enough. China alone is worth something.

                        that is, if you extrapolate to Turkey, then "There are allies, there are fellow travelers, partners, etc. That's enough. Russia alone is worth something." Or no? Turks are not allowed to do this because they are not spiritually strong?
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Plus, we're not trying to rebuild the Empire. (For now ...)
                        oh? wink As far as I know, our Russia is spreading its influence around the world, and not as Turks in its region.
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        But the Turks want to build a new Turkic world, and these plans do not hide it. Here are just around full of those who do not want it at all.
                        want and work on it. over there Azerbaijan is already with them. They have their own goals, we have our own, but this does not cancel cooperation, of course, as long as the interests do not collide very strongly. wink
                      6. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 17 August 2021 16: 32
                        -1
                        Spiritual strength has nothing to do with it. It's just that the construction of the notorious Turkic world, under the control of Ankara (and who else)))) directly threatens the security of Russia and its interests. Also, China will not accept this, it has its own Turks in Xinjiang, you never know what they want. Neither Arabs, nor Kurds, nor Iran will accept one hundred percent of this Turkic world. So the Turks have little chance. Or rather, they simply do not exist.
                      7. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 17 August 2021 16: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        So the Turks have little chance. Or rather, they simply do not exist.

                        well if yes hi but the guy went to success bully
                        however, you must agree that leaving things to chance because of the fact that we once fought with the Turks is somehow stupid. the process must be controlled! soldier
                        and now the Turks have their own caliphate ... kaganate .. or whatever they have .. in general they are building. and we solve our problems, create and arm the fifth column in NATO, make Turkey economically and energy dependent, and so on.
                      8. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 17 August 2021 17: 54
                        -1
                        This is all true. It's just that the Turks recently got involved in a game with big guys. This game goes by its own rules or without them at all. Until they cross anyone's road by and large, they are not particularly touched. Everyone wants to use them, and so do we. But when they do, they will begin to beat on the hands painfully. They will definitely start, philanthropy is inappropriate here.
                      9. Bat
                        Bat 17 August 2021 15: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Everything around you is enemies, whatever the relationship is in the present.

                        Good. Look at this photo. This is a Russian peacekeeper who spits on his own treaties, on his own signatures and on his commander-in-chief.



                        This photo gives 100% reason to call the Russian ambassador to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Those who are in the country officially as "peacekeepers" are holding the separatist flag.

                        Would you like it if we do this?

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        All around you are enemies, Persians,


                        Take a look at this photo. These are Iranian trucks, they come in with some numbers and leave with others. God knows what they are taking to the separatists. Our army sees everything. And this deceitful and hypocritical Iran, which after the victory came running to Baku, congratulate our Azerbaijani brothers and sisters with words. And they themselves do this without our knowledge and permission. Let .... When Israel starts a conversation with them, we, like them, will support the Iranian brothers and sisters.



                        We have no problems with Arabs and Bulgarians and even with Greeks. The other day the leadership of Greece thanked us. And we have enough friends, believe me.
                      10. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 17 August 2021 16: 45
                        0
                        The Turks have a historical enmity with the Arabs, as we have with the Poles, even much worse. And now there are problems in Syria, with the Turkomans, whom Turkey has decided to protect.
                        The Greeks have a claim - Northern Cyprus.
                        Are Bulgarians friends of Turks? Are you kidding me?
                        As for the photographs, first, let the Turks return their Bayraktars and other weapons from Ukraine. Then Crimea is recognized. And then submit a claim.
                      11. Bat
                        Bat 17 August 2021 17: 39
                        -1
                        We make no claims. We just know who is who. Likewise, we can say. Don't arm Armenia, follow the signed treaties and much more. Will it make sense? No.
            2. paul3390
              paul3390 17 August 2021 09: 09
              +2
              And someone was looking for the cause of the war, why did the war start? Who attacked whom? Who chopped off the land from whom?

              And nothing that all these lands - the Ottomans previously, in turn, chopped off? Found, damn it, a peaceful state - the Ottoman .. Yes, they only did what they cut and captured the neighbors! And then, of course, there was a rollback.
              1. Bat
                Bat 17 August 2021 09: 13
                -2
                Quote: paul3390
                And nothing that all these lands - the Ottomans previously, in turn, chopped off?

                I agree. I also admit this version. Then let's divide those whole world according to that era. Do you agree?

                Quote: paul3390
                peaceful state - Ottoman ..

                And whose empire was peaceful? Can you name?
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 17 August 2021 09: 16
                  +1
                  But only the Ottomans were real beasts. Ask at your leisure about their deeds in the occupied lands. And since then, little has changed ..

                  That era is long gone. And now - the Turks will instantly have their teeth popping out if they try to remember the old days. Despite all their show-off.
                  1. Bat
                    Bat 17 August 2021 09: 17
                    0
                    Quote: paul3390
                    But only the Ottomans were real beasts. Ask at your leisure about their deeds in the occupied lands.

                    I do not rule out. But again, I repeat, everyone has enough atrocities.

                    Quote: paul3390
                    And now, the Turks are getting their teeth out in a flash

                    but here I disagree with you.
                  2. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 17 August 2021 13: 24
                    -2
                    Quote: paul3390
                    But only the Ottomans were real beasts. Ask at your leisure about their deeds in the occupied lands. And since then, little has changed ..

                    doooh! wassat And during the Rakor war, the Ottomans probably flooded a cave with the local population hiding there, and those who tried to escape were chopped up and robbed? and this is not from some Polish leaflets, but from the Novgorod chronicle it is known.
                    We have over there in the artillery museum in St. Petersburg a mitrailleza with square trunks. do you know why her trunks are square? by the fact that good Christians, well, you remember, those who kept their compatriots, also by the way Christians, in serf slavery and sold to each other as things, believed that cubic bullets could be used against the Ottomans because they inflict more terrible wounds. a clear sign of humanism! not like the Ottomans!

                    tell me, do you not notice that you are carrying fierce Nazi nonsense?
              2. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 17 August 2021 13: 15
                -2
                Quote: paul3390
                And nothing that all these lands - the Ottomans previously, in turn, chopped off?

                specify to what knee you plan to measure who chopped off from whom? the Poles once had "from sea to sea," and Peter began to lead Russia to the sea. of course exclusively liberating hikes expanding empire borders wassat
        2. Dikson
          Dikson 17 August 2021 08: 37
          +1
          People generally know how to be friends - it does not depend on nationality, but on upbringing and moral qualities .. But human friendship has nothing to do with political and military games ..
          1. Bat
            Bat 17 August 2021 08: 45
            -4
            Quote: Dikson
            But human friendship has nothing to do with political and military games ..

            Azerbaijan is friends with many countries and makes friends with dignity. For example, with the CSTO. Israel. Pakistan and many other countries.

            Take Iran for example. After the war, their entire Foreign Ministry was in Azerbaijan. They began to congratulate us, they say, we congratulate our brothers and sister on the victory, but what is happening in real life?

            Without our permission, they are transporting aid to the Armenians in wagons. And what are their words about brotherhood worth?
            Further Russian peacekeepers. They do not respect the signature of their president, not the treaties. I noticed for a long time that the government talks about one thing, but in reality everything is different. And then if we say anything, Azerbaijanis are bad.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 17 August 2021 09: 12
              +5
              And then if we say anything, Azerbaijanis are bad.

              How good you are, we have already seen enough in our cities .. Where, with the connivance of our authorities, half of Azerbaijan has already moved.
              1. Bat
                Bat 17 August 2021 09: 15
                -5
                Quote: paul3390
                How good you are, we have already seen enough in our cities ..

                we also see fruits every day about how good you are. We have Martyrs' Alley in the center of the city. In January 90 we saw it in all its glory.

                Quote: paul3390
                Where, with the connivance of our authorities, half of Azerbaijan has already moved.

                If they don't live legally, drive them out.
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 17 August 2021 10: 05
                +2
                Quote: paul3390
                How good you are, we have already seen enough in our cities .. Where, with the connivance of our authorities, half of Azerbaijan has already moved.

                Migrants of all stripes take out from the country from 700 to 800 million dollars a month, and this is about 9 lard a year, but we apparently do not need this money.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 17 August 2021 14: 08
                  -1
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Migrants of all stripes take out from the country from 700 to 800 million dollars a month, and this is a year is about 9 lard, but we apparently do not need this money.

                  I forgot to add to my comment that all domestic medicine exists for only 6 billion !!!
        3. ViacheslavS
          ViacheslavS 17 August 2021 15: 09
          0
          Only the Turks themselves, the downed Russian plane and the hostilities in Syria put up the steps. But the benefit of the Turkish economy is even weaker than the Russian one, and Erdogan with his ambitions has every chance of getting an "Arab spring" already in Turkey.
  13. riwas
    riwas 17 August 2021 08: 30
    +8
    Well, yes, while we are helping Turkey to create a combat aircraft, Turkey will help Ukraine with weapons that will be directed against Donbass and Russia.
    1. Bat
      Bat 17 August 2021 08: 57
      0
      Quote: riwas
      Well, yes, while we help Turkey to create a combat aircraft, Turkey will help Ukraine with weapons.

      If not for this news below, I would agree with you. But as they say in Russia, do not ask for what you yourself do not give.
  14. Artemion3
    Artemion3 17 August 2021 08: 49
    +1
    Why reinvent the wheel? You can immediately exchange su-57 for tomatoes.
  15. AntiAleks
    AntiAleks 17 August 2021 09: 06
    +3
    not having ANY fifth generation fighter - all that remains is to help. Reminds of courses - "how to get rich".
  16. Roadpatrol
    Roadpatrol 17 August 2021 11: 51
    +3
    Why give a weapon to your potential enemy who hates you for centuries for all his defeats, this is some kind of the highest degree of moronism.
  17. czes
    czes 17 August 2021 13: 45
    +2
    China has already been helped with the atomic bomb.
    Who is the smart one in the Kremlin who wants to "tame" Turkey, or does the money smell?
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  19. Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 August 2021 19: 07
    +1
    Chemezov is either sick or pursuing far-reaching plans, naturally with the permission of the darkest. I don’t see more options, but to arm a potential adversary, in my opinion, this is beyond the bounds. request
  20. AntonR7
    AntonR7 17 August 2021 19: 12
    +2
    What stupidity does our leadership still want to surprise us with ?! Why should the eternal enemies of Russia help build nuclear power plants, extinguish fires at the cost of the lives of the Russian people, now they also need to help create weapons, so that later they will fuck us in the tail and in the mane with these weapons.
  21. JD1979
    JD1979 17 August 2021 21: 55
    0
    Does the head of Rostec want to help his country quickly solve a bunch of problems in his aviation industry?
  22. Gunther
    Gunther 19 August 2021 04: 05
    -1
    the head of Rostec said that the Russian state corporation is ready to help Turkey in the creation of a new generation of combat aircraft.

    Lavrova remembered something, his phrase about enchanting eccentrics.