Indian Observer: Afghan Army no longer exists

The leadership of the Taliban (* a terrorist organization banned in Russia) announced the "end of the long-term war in Afghanistan" and their victory in this war. Against this background, more than 60 states of the world appealed to the Taliban * with an appeal to allow their citizens to freely leave the territory of Afghanistan.

British information service "BBC", speaking about the situation in Afghanistan, writes "Taliban" carried out the capture of Kabul against the background of the flight of President Ashraf Ghani from the country.

From the report:

There is chaos in Kabul. Thousands of foreigners, including representatives of embassies, are trying to leave the city. People run to planes, hoping to get to other countries.

It should be noted that aviation traffic in the Afghan sky is very weak. At the moment, there are flights between Kabul and Istanbul (Turkey). Some transit flights continue to operate through Afghan airspace, including the Washington-Delhi flight. The day before, an increase in the density of air traffic in the direction of Tajikistan was recorded. Then it turned out that the plane had landed in Tashkent (Uzbekistan).

"BBC":

The speed with which the Taliban managed to take Kabul shocked many experts.

Against this backdrop, Donald Trump called on Joe Biden to resign. According to Trump, the way the situation in Afghanistan is developing "shows the complete failure of the 46th President of the United States." Donald Trump noted that the head of state should not have allowed the seizure of the country's territory by terrorists and the fall of the government, which was supported by the United States for many years.

Recall that the day before, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani fled the country. Afghan sources said he flew to Tajikistan along with several other senior officials.

In such a situation, in the East, they are ironic about the reports of American intelligence on August 11. Then the American intelligence community circulated a document which declared "the possible capture of Kabul by the Taliban within 90 days."

As the Indian observer Chandan Kay writes, "the Taliban did not keep up with this schedule and took Kabul after 4 days."

According to an Indian observer, “the Afghan president’s flight from the country summed up history about how not to carry out serious operations. "

From material in Indian media:

The Afghan army no longer exists. Almost 90 billion dollars of investments have turned to ash in 20 years.

The Indian media focus on the fact that the United States has now decided to send a contingent of 6 troops to Afghanistan. Three thousand were originally reported. Indian journalists are perplexed as to what this can solve in the current situation.

Comments

[Avior]

Three days ago, the capture of Kabul was seen by everyone as unthinkable.

The capture of Kandahar by the Taliban (banned in Russia) does not mean that the militants are ready to take over Kabul. This was stated by the director of the second department of Asia of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the special representative of the president for Afghanistan, Zamir Kabulov, RIA Novosti reports. The diplomat assessed the chances of the Taliban seizing the capital of Afghanistan as extremely low. In his opinion, representatives of the movement will not be able to take control of the city in the foreseeable future.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.lenta.ru/news/2021/08/13/no_kabul/amp/
Apparently, some subtleties of the processes in Afghanistan still remain unaccounted for.

[Killemall]

The American army is the most dragging army in the world !!! For three hundred years now, one or another country, imagining itself as a "hegemon", has been stepping on this Afghan rake ... with the same result. Only the USSR came out of there with dignity ... without dragging ... and now the rake is waiting for the next ... maybe it will be China ???

[Blacksmith 55]

I don't think there is a country in the world that wants to re-occupy Afghanistan.
After Britain, the USSR, America, many will wonder whether it is worth going to Afghanistan.
China can take its own there in a different way.

[Avior]

the Americans went because of al Qaeda, without this they would not touch the Taliban

[Egoza]

"The Afghan army does not exist!" Is there Afghanistan? There is! So there will be an army too. Well, the Taliban will rename themselves the Army of Afghanistan, that's all.

[Peak]

In such a situation, in the East, they are ironic about the reports of American intelligence on August 11. Then the American intelligence community circulated a document which declared "the possible capture of Kabul by the Taliban within 90 days."

As the Indian observer Chandan Kay writes, "the Taliban did not keep up with this schedule and took Kabul after 4 days."

Well, the dropout students did not know about the existence of this document

How do they know something? If they have not attended lectures for a long time?

[sakuz]

Quote: Avior

Apparently, some subtleties of the processes in Afghanistan still remain unaccounted for.

Rather, the president's special envoy for Afghanistan, Zamir Kabulov, is not as competent. Working for years in Afghanistan and not being able to really assess the situation ...

[Avior]

This also needs to be taken into account. But on the other hand, no one predicted such a development of events. All these "experts" are worthless: ((

[Liam]

Probably the fact is that it was not worth simplifying everything by labeling the Taliban as terrorists. But they are supported by the majority of the population. In other times they would have been called the national liberation movement.

[Avior]

It seems that it was known. Actually, the Americans ended up there because of the Taliban's mistake - they sheltered Al-Qaeda, as relatives in faith, and suffered just for them, the Taliban would not have been touched for a long time, although, of course, they could get more for the active opium trade.
Let's see what kind of conclusions they drew from those events.

[Liam]

Quote: Avior

It seems that it was known

I recall one of our recent conversation on this topic)
They sheltered Al Qaeda not because of the closeness of faith, but because they were completely isolated, cut off from any financial assistance, and Al Qaeda paid them well for shelter. the new leadership of Taleban .. and the rest of the countries.

[Avior]

They will probably be more careful this time. By the way, new rules with weakening have already been announced - women can work and study, you can listen to the radio at home with entertaining music, and if someone needs to chop off their hands or stone someone, then only by the verdict of the Sharia court, no arbitrariness.

[Liam]

Well, conduct a survey on VO, how to deal with thieves, embezzlers and TD. You will be surprised how many taleban there are.)
Seriously, in 2001, the Tallebans merged as quickly as the current rulers. No Afghan people stood up for them like a mountain. There was a reason, so to speak.
The current drain is not so much support for the Talibans, but hatred for the Dostums, Ghani and TD, who are mired in corruption and managed to get hold of all Pashtuns, Uzbeks and Tajiks and other tribes

[Avior]

The current drain is not so much support for the Talibans as hatred for Dostums, Ghani and TD.

or indifference. no one considers any power to be his. It is not enough that a person must understand who he is fighting against. It is also important - for whom?
And "for whom" there is simply no one to fight for

[Liam]

Negotiations with the Talibans have been going on for the last 5 years at least. They began even under Obama. The decision to withdraw troops in 2021 was made under Trump. The Taliban were given good by all - the USA, Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran. The Taliban agreed on everything with the Afghan tribal unions. Tajiks, Uzbeks and TDs. Therefore, there were practically no battles. The Afghan army, as a centralized body, never existed. There were armed tribal formations that received salaries from Kabul. The discrepancy came out only on time. According to the agreements, everything was supposed to happen closer to NG Then it all depends on how the Taliban and the rest will comply with the agreements among themselves and share the cake. Most likely everything will return to normal, they will fight each other as before

[alexey sidykin]

Initially, it was the Taliban who fought drug trafficking.

[Avior]

Very short time
Then they began to provide him

[Prisoner]

Nepotism, money and connections are the foundation of a career. They spit on professionalism, on the ability for serious analysis. The main thing is that there was someone and knew how to beautifully carry any heresy. In the Soviet Union, they were also there, but there were also those on whom all the work was based. Although ... I guess I already have this senile boredom with a touch of pessimism.

[Nyrobsky]

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Nepotism, money and connections are the foundation of a career. They spit on professionalism, on the ability for serious analysis. The main thing is that there was someone and knew how to beautifully carry any heresy. In the Soviet Union, they were also there, but there were also those on whom all the work was based. Although ...Probably I already have this senile tediousness with a touch of pessimism.

No, not boring, but a concrete statement of the harsh reality. Now in the Ministry of Education, the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Forestry, other mines and departments, there are more and more random people who do not have a specialized education, and the "artistic whistle" rather than professionalism is more and more appreciated.
And this is not only our problem ...

[Avior]

Now in the Ministry of Education, the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Forestry, other mines and departments, there are more and more random people who do not have a specialized education, and the "artistic whistle" and not professionalism are more and more appreciated.

In Roskosmos, the last cosmonaut in the leadership was removed from work, they only interfere with journalists-managers, it turns out ...

[alexey sidykin]

Maybe it was, but after our departure, the DPR held out for almost three years.

[Okolotochny]

but after we left ДНР lasted almost three years.

Did you want to say DRA ???

[Andrey VOV]

The news flashed that those responsible for the defense of Kabul had given the order not to shoot, apparently they had agreed a long time ago, realizing that Kabul could not be held back, so the triumphal procession

[Cananecat]

Quote: Andrey VOV

that those responsible for the defense of Kabul gave the order not to shoot, apparently they agreed a long time ago, realizing that they could not hold Kabul

It is not the first time the Taliban have entered Kabul; no one wants to repeat the last time.

[knn54]

What the army. For 20 years we have not been able to train the personnel of the international airport.

[LifeIsGood]

Zamir Kabulov, Director of the Second Asian Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the President's Special Representative for Afghanistan

An ordinary civilian who works under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but not a military man ... Hence the shoals.

[Chief Officer Lom]

Perhaps this was said to mislead the Americans - see, even the Russians think so!

[tralflot1832]

And all these $ 90 billion went to the bearded. In the photo, there seem to be combat-ready summer men. Airline refusals in the skies of Afghanistan are transiting in batches. Islamists clap their hands, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan has appeared. The Colombian cortel is furious with such a bun from the United States.

[Simple]

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Airline refusals in the skies of Afghanistan transit in batches

Yesterday, only the Kabul airport stopped accepting civilian aircraft - that was - yes. And transit passengers (those who travel longer along the echelon) went further without problems. In the outskirts of Kabul, there is a radio beacon, by which the autopilots of transit vehicles are guided.

[Lara Croft]

The people and the army do not exist separately from each other, and even more so in a civil war (conflict) ...
You can also ask where the Somali army went in the early 90s, most of the Libyan army during the "Arab spring", Iraq .... (during the second Iraqi Anglo-Saxon campaign) .... Crimea in 2014 dissolved in the RF Armed Forces ... (and even before the ATO) ...

[Avior]

It was different in Crimea. Firstly, in Kiev they were afraid to give an order, as they were afraid of a full-scale deployment of troops to Ukraine, the moment for this was quite real, and secondly, an attempt to spend less money on the army led to the fact that the overwhelming majority of Crimeans served in Crimea - it was easier this way saving on housing stock. If they were mixed with people from other parts of Ukraine, it is not known how it would turn out. Units from other parts of Ukraine that ended up there simply left Crimea.

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

It was different in Crimea. Firstly in Kiev they were afraid to give an order, as they were afraid of a full-scale introduction of troops into Ukraine , the moment for this was quite real ...... Crimea was simply left.

Your assessment of the actions of the junta does not "merge" with the situation in Donbass, in which, unlike Crimea, there were no Ukrainian troops , but they were thrown there, together with the newly formed nationalist formations to suppress anti-coup demonstrations of the population of the region ...

[Avior]

at the time of the events in Donbass, this moment of confusion is already gone.

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

at the time of the events in Donbass, this moment of confusion is already gone.

Yes Yes Yes I realize the mistake

Sorry I forgot that by that time your masters realized it, and took all the reins of government into their own hands ...

[Avior]

You have no post-deception in anything.
and, as a rule, the most primitive. And in this case, even two deceptions.
The first one is the meeting on the 22.04. 2014 Biden - then vice president - in the Verkhovna Rada, as you might guess from the inscription behind his back, with the leadership of the Verkhovna Rada.
https://photo.unian.net/photo/549203-joe-biden-s-meeting-with-deputies
There could be no presidential chair there, this is not the presidential administration.
Your second deception, in fact, at the time of this meeting, Poroshenko was not president, he will become one only after 2 months, in June 2014.

[Peak]

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You have no post-deception in anything.

You know, Avior ... They wrote to me here that you are not even from Ukraine, but from Israel ...

Explain please - where are you all the same?

After all, it is categorically not clear - you are "drowning for Ukraine", while, at a certain period, claiming that - "Russian and citizen of Russia" ...
And now, under the yoke of facts, you no longer remember this ...

Who are you, MASK? Why are you confusing traces? For what purpose ?

[Avior]

Here, there used to be flags, then they were removed, just because some people evaluate not what is written in the post, but which flag is next to it.
You, I think, would be Ukrainian.

And now, under the yoke of facts, you no longer remember this ...

And give a quote with a reference, I will remember ...

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

You, I think, would be Ukrainian

I would have, obviously, any "arbitrary" flag ...

I already wrote about this in the comments, and I will repeat again - I go to VO from all gadget devices exclusively "from under the anonymizer", in view of the fact that my work imposes certain restrictions on my presence in social networks. networks and forums.
But at the same time, I don’t want to give myself the opportunity to express my thoughts.

Quote: Avior

And give a quote with a reference, I will remember ...

I offered you not just to remember, but a voluntary "EXCHANGE" with the assistance of the Administration - my ban or your , in case of revealing / not confirming the fact that you called yourself "purebred Russian" and "citizen of Russia" ...

So do you agree to contact the VO Administration with such a request?

[Avior]

I offered you not just to remember, but a voluntary "EXCHANGE"

your ban costs nothing, as well as your current account, you are a dummy. To offer "exchange", you need to have something of equal value.
You will be banned without it after a while. People like you don't last long here.
I will not interfere anymore, continue to compose.

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

your ban costs nothing, as well as your current account, you are a dummy. To offer "exchange", you need to have something of equal value.

So all the same stinky, "highly valued" you are ours ...

The cat smells whose meat it ate ...

[Avior]

people appreciate the ability to be responsible for their words.
Have written something - be ready to confirm.
not rubbing your tongue in vain

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

Have written something - be ready to confirm.
not rubbing your tongue in vain

Give PUBLIC CONSENT to the "exchange" about which I wrote, and there will be quotes from your early comments and links to them, where you impersonate a Russian and a "purebred Russian" in fact, not being a citizen of the Russian Federation, and possibly Russian by nationality .. ...

I repeat - The Internet remembers everything.

"Manuscripts (VO archives) do not burn "

[Avior]

what, you cannot confirm your words with facts? Yap, it turns out.
predictable ....

[lucul]

Here, there used to be flags, then they were removed, just because some people evaluate not what is written in the post, but which flag is next to it.

Then it was easy for people to discern lies, looked at the flag and already critically evaluates the information.
But this does not suit you, you have to constantly "crap" here.

[Avior]

You saw my flag, the court on registration
But, on the other hand, if my opponent has lies in every post, why do I need his flag?

[Okolotochny]

For your first posts for Al Qaeda. And who created it and why ???
Created by the US special services, at least put efforts and money into this. Who created the Taliban? Special services of Pakistan. Who were they then controlled by? And an employee of our Foreign Ministry expressed his opinion. Have you seen anywhere the official statements of our Foreign Ministry on the timing of the fall of the Afghan system of power? Hre the new system means the Americans have created that it did not last a month. Month!!! Naljibula held out for 3 years against the troops of the coalition, which supplied and trained half of the world.

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

The first one is the meeting on the 22.04. 2014 Biden - then vice president - in the Verkhovna Rada, as you might guess from the inscription behind his back, with the leadership of the Verkhovna Rada. There could be no presidential chair there, this is not the presidential administration.
Your second deception, in fact, at the time of this meeting, Poroshenko was not president, he will become one only after 2 months, in June 2014.

The above photo has only an informative and illustrative function without reference to a specific time.

Anyone who understands the true essence of what is happening in Ukraine and sees the loss of its subjectivity will understand everything as it should.

[Avior]

for those who understand "everything as it should" - this picture will not change anything.
This is an attempt to deceive those who are used to thinking and having their own opinion. It didn't work out.

[tralflot1832]

I will express a seditious thought Afghanistan has ground another empire. This is the beginning of the end, history will not let you lie.

[Peak]

Quote: tralflot1832

I will express a seditious thought Afghanistan has ground another empire. This is the beginning of the end, history will not let you lie.

Thought is like thought

But it is probably worth considering that, for example, the British Empire, in fact, was devoured by the United States, which absorbed its overseas territories and national liberation movements around the world, to which Afghanistan, in general, had nothing to do.
And if we mean the "collapse of the Soviet Empire", then in this case, Afghanistan did not play a key determining role.

Without Judas, the USSR would have been "more alive than all living things" even now.

SOME DIFFERENT FROM THE PREVIOUS, and therefore even more powerful.

But ... it didn't "grow together" History has turned where it has turned ...

[Pavel73]

If the United States has to "support" a certain government for "many years", it only means that the people do not need the fuck about that government.

[Simple]

It was interesting to listen to the excuses of the Western politician:
Basically, the vector of guilt was directed at the United States.
But, as usual in big politics, they were not guilty for long, and Anthony Blinken made it clear that it was not they, but the Afghan army.

An extraordinary UN meeting will be held today.
It is worth raising the question of saving the lives of those (including those from families) who, by the will of fate, do not get to the airport and about their transportation (there the left will not be able to get there - by registration) to other countries.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I have one question, why did the United States not begin to destroy military bases with equipment, weapons, ammunition and fuel and lubricants captured by the Taliban?

They even stated that the US and NATO (Britain) aircraft were attacking terrorists and they were supporting the Afghan army.

But for some reason the United States is quietly leaving military bases filled with weapons and equipment to these terrorists ?!

This suggests a logical conclusion - the United States deliberately created chaos in Afghanistan and gave the country to terrorists.

Or, in general, the United States has degraded politically and militarily to the very bottom.

[alexey sidykin]

In general, they left the Afghan army ... but there are questions.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It is clear that they left the Afghan army, but why did they not immediately launch air strikes on these bases as soon as these bases were captured by the Taliban?

They screamed that the American aviation was supporting the Afghan army, but here it was just connivance. A pile of weapons fell into the hands of terrorists.

They plant transport workers in Kabul, but they cannot strike the bases captured by the Taliban with their fighter-bombers, but rather do not want to.

It is very likely that the "flight of the US from Afghanistan" is just a spectacle, and the real plan of the US was precisely to strengthen the terrorists in Afghanistan.

Now the United States can supply the Taliban with as many weapons as it wants and claim that they got all this from the Afghan army.

Let's see what happens next.

[cniza]

The Afghan army no longer exists. Almost 90 billion dollars of investments have turned to ash in 20 years.

And she was on US paper, they saw so much money ...

[Vladimir61]

Why doesn't it exist? There was a transformation of power, and with it, Afghanistan received a well-motivated and trained Taliban army.

[Alexey Khodakovich]

Prepared "one" for
Syrian barmaley!

[gorskova.irina]

Sorry. Did it exist? The fact that for millions and millions (by the way, where are they) trained (allegedly) the Americans have never been an army. But the cut by the Amergean generals is gorgeous.