A batch of modernized BMP-2M entered service with the ZVO motorized rifle brigade

A batch of modernized BMP-2M infantry fighting vehicles with the Berezhok combat module entered service with the motorized rifle brigade of the Western Military District. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense.

As stated in the message, 10 modernized BMP-2M entered service with motorized riflemen stationed in the Leningrad region. It is noted that the equipment was delivered within the framework of the state defense order. The press service of the Western Military District explained that by the end of the year, the district will replenish another 30 BMP-2M, but which parts they will be delivered to was not specified.

The BMP-2 is the most massive infantry fighting vehicle adopted by the Soviet and Russian armies. Currently, BMP-2M are supplied under a contract concluded last year for the modernization of 124 BMP-2 to the level of BMP-2M, the contract must be completed by the end of 2022.

The armament of the BMP-2M consists of Kornet anti-tank guided missiles, a 30-mm cannon for fighting lightly armored vehicles and enemy infantry, and an AG-30M 30-mm automatic grenade launcher with an independent vertical guidance drive and a 300 grenade supply magazine.

Meanwhile, the guards tank Army ZVO received five unified command and staff vehicles (UKShM) R-149MA1 based on the BTR-80. The equipment is designed to provide control and communication to brigade-level officials in the parking lot and on the move.

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[avg]

To begin with, one anti-tank company will be introduced into the SMB. and then they will "look".

[Lara Croft]

Quote: avg

To begin with, one anti-tank company will be introduced into the SMB. and then they will "look".

Explain to pzhl your abbreviation "MSB" is a motorized rifle battalion (MSB) or did you mean a motorized rifle brigade (MSBr.) ...
... and how to understand your phrase:

one anti-tank company will enter

will be created as part of the MSB - ATR (anti-tank company) or created as part of the MSBR. - ptr?
And what will such an ATGM be armed with - self-propelled ATGMs (several types of ATGM carriers) or wearable ones?

[avg]

Taking into account the improved capabilities of the BMP-2M to combat tanks, one company will be rearmed in motorized rifle battalions. This will support combat effectiveness and give time to make a decision on further rational rearmament.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: avg

Taking into account the improved capabilities of the BMP-2M to combat tanks, one company will be rearmed in motorized rifle battalions.

Clear.

[Cat]

Explain to pzhl your abbreviation "MSB" is a motorized rifle battalion (MSB) or did you mean a motorized rifle brigade (MSBr.) ..

If you are such a literary expert (and I respect the culture of the staff), then in combat documents both the battalion and the brigade are indicated in capital letters - MSB и msbr.
But in fact, I agree with the collision: what kind of anti-tank company can be in the battalion - the maximum is a platoon. Otherwise, it will no longer be a motorized rifle battalion, but almost an anti-tank battalion.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Gato

If you are such a literary expert (and I respect the culture of the staff), then in combat documents both the battalion and the brigade are indicated in capital letters - MSB и msbr.

I agree. Here they write as it is more convenient ... probably ...

[family tree]

Yes, the infantry seems to have switched to divisional again. Only special forces and tankers have brigades, correct if not.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: perepilka

Yes, the infantry seems to have switched to divisional again.

On the strategic directions, yes, the OA also has an ISD, but in most of the OA there is only an ISBR ...
In the strategically important areas of the West and South, it is necessary in peacetime as part of the TA / OA to have deployed airborne forces ... they are capable of solving more tasks and have more means of engaging the enemy and ensuring the fulfillment of combat missions than the ISBR ...
It all depends on the operational situation, a mess began in Ukraine, the 8th OA was created as part of one 150th Mechanized Infantry Division, now in the same OA, on the basis of the 20th MSBR, the 20th MSD is being deployed, the divisional "kit" units being created will occupy military camps 58 -th dshbr decreasing (part of its forces) to the Crimea ... (to Feodosia, where it forms the 56th dshp with a separate dshb located there and previously created there) ...
The threat of the United States against Nna began, and as part of the 5th OA (VVO), on the basis of two ISBR, an ISD was deployed ...
The tracks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Poland and two MBRs of the US Army near the borders of the KOR began to clang, and the Russian Federation first created a TP with "0" there, and now on the basis of the motorized rifle units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs operating there ...
It is not clear to me why one of the two (!) Etc. is in the Central Military District, is it there in reserve as part of one of the OA or are we afraid of tank attacks through Kazakhstan?

Only special forces and tankers have brigades, correct if not.

Not at all. As part of the tank forces of the Russian Federation - two TD and two TBR ...

[Diverter]

in the Central Military District, etc. is a reserve.

[Barberry25]

the problem of the generals .. too smart .. here recently Yevkurov soaked that "the Airborne Forces will check whether it is necessary to buy collimator sights or not" .. and here .. they sit, picking their nose and wondering "whether it is necessary to receive additional troops in addition to the new BMP-3 also modernized BMP-2 ", of which there are about 3 thousand in the troops.

[Cat]

the problem of the generals .. too smart .. recently Yevkurov

The problem of the generals is not an excess of intelligence (which is a constant value in headquarters), but the number of generals. The same Yevkurov is the 12th (!) Deputy Minister of Defense.

[hagen]

Quote: Gato

The problem of the generals is not an excess of intelligence (which is a constant value in headquarters), but the number of generals. The same Yevkurov is the 12th (!) Deputy Minister of Defense.

A bad soldier who does not consider himself smarter than generals ...

[Cat]

A bad soldier is who does not consider himself smarter than the generals ...

Naturally. A good soldier tries to stay away from his superiors and closer to the kitchen. And for generals, the concepts of bosses and kitchens are inseparable - for them it is one and the same thing.

[Barberry25]

Well, in the 21st year, thinking "do you need a sight or not" is at least strange, the maximum that can be a conversation between a collimator and a magnifier or a three-stage with a collimator ..

[Disant]

well, in the 21st year, think "do you need a sight or not"

and why a collimator sight on a machine gun in the Airborne Forces - really - please explain - I, for example, do not understand. HOW are you going to use it?
Maybe you admit that Yevkurov is right after all, eh?

[Barberry25]

hmm ... and you don't even know how to use a gun, as I see .. that's why the topvar's star experts are touched by a complete lack of knowledge, But an attempt to get into any conversation for the sake of show-off ... why a collimator sight? and why an adjustable butt? Why do you need strips for lights and optics? Why is there an ergonomic handle? And why is an ammunition control window? After all, there is an AK of the 50s, and it is this that needs to be used, Not your unholy AKMs, AK-74 or don’t let the AK-12 ... but everything is superfluous .. I can admit there is only one thing - you don’t know, don’t write ..

[Disant]

I understand that there will be no answer? the dispute has dried up.
then Lieutenant General Yevkurov is right. and I agree with him.

[Barberry25]

the dispute about what? Evkurov is right or not? he is wrong .. optics on modern weapons is the norm, it allows you to really work at 400 meters, and not in "firing towards the enemy", here the Americans are concerned with the issue of increasing the distance to 600-700 meters, and we think whether we need to get to 400 ... I repeat, do not write, Do not lower the level

[Black Colonel]

Please enlighten whether it is possible to install a "Bakhchi" instead of the "Berezhka" on the BMP-2 - after all, the set of weapons is more solid.

[Cat]

received 10 modernized BMP-2M

I understand, grain by grain ... But what a painfully miserable scale of news - a whole company was re-equipped with modernized BMP-2 (not "Kurgan", and not even BMP-3). Everything becomes shallow. By the way, the neighboring article - MO (!) Makes a decision (!) On the timing of the introduction (!) Of the minesweeper ...
I cried .. (S)
Apparently, it is necessary to etch out the imperial manners and gigantomania inculcated in the USSR.

[Barberry25]

it depends on which side you look at, the new plant near Tula under the contract makes about 80 cars per year, and according to the statement of the plant workers, they have a potential of up to 15 cars per month ... that is. we are talking about 180 machines per year at full load .. Now the troops receive new 70-90 bmp-3 and about 70 bmd-4m from the factory ... so even 80 bmp-2m / bmd-2m is an increase of 50% in deliveries to troops..

[Disant]

Initially, there was a variant of the BMP-2M with a combat module Bakhcha-U. It is strange a little that they refused in favor of Berezhka.

VO- quote Ryabov Kirill (2012)
Such a BMP-2M in a single copy was collected at the very end of the nineties and then passed the tests. According to reports, the military was not interested in such a modernization. First of all, they were not satisfied with the landing of only five people and the loss of buoyancy. Another indirect cause of failure can be considered the comparative high cost of the Bakhcha-U combat module and alteration of the original BMP-2 into the BMP-2М. There is information about the conversion of only one experimental machine. Further, the BMP-2М with the Tula combat module were not manufactured.

[Disant]

It seems to me that once again they have stupidly saved on their own, melon is more expensive.

BMD is used in isolation from the main troops, so they have a cannon with missiles, and an BMD with a shore will be able to support tanks and artillery with fire.
and hinged blocks of pturov Berezhka somehow not very much in my opinion, they are friends with the means of landing
and the engine power was raised

[Disant]

well, 100mm, but low ballistics... in ammunition only high-explosive fragmentation.
on tanks - only with a 9m117 rocket through a cannon - simplified speaking - the same BMP-2 (M) with an ATGM.

it turns out that
to hit the tank from the BMP-2,3 (the BMP is the first to attack), you need to hang around in sight of the tank AFTER the shot ATGM (rocket) - you need to control it in manual or automatic mode - this is 7-10 seconds per 3 km - the tank will immediately automatically detect the radiation and cover itself with an aerosol curtain and interference.
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yes, you can deceive the tank when you shoot first before detection, so that you do not detect the radiation from guidance and do not have time to hide behind smoke and interference, but you still have to hang out in line of sight, that the BMP-3, that the BMP-2 (the difference is one or two seconds of flight when firing between a rocket from a 100mm cannon and an ATGM), and this is still fraught with
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[Disant]

((((Rudolph, I don't know what to answer you. You just put a question on a question and combine them into one, for some reason trying to confuse yourself and me.
I gave you my opinion about your opinion.
your opinion

It seems to me that they once again saved money on their own, melon is more expensive

my opinion

BMD is used in isolation from the main troops, so they have a cannon with missiles, and an BMD with a shore will be able to support tanks and artillery with fire.

bmd + cannon with missiles more versatileso they gave it to them,
BMP gave berezhok, because melon is heavy for him and redundant, since a tank-sau can stand nearby and support cowards.
(even with a new, more powerful engine, there is no ground for armor enhancement + landing instead of 7mi becomes 5t - and this is a reform of the states of all divisions and units at BMP-2 ).
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but about tanks in context

And you have not forgotten that after the BMP-2, the BMP-3 was adopted, where 30mm is quite normal side by side with 100mm and no one made a discount on the support of tanks?

- that you have already objected to me and I answered, as I understood you (comparing the river bank and melon in an anti-tank duel), what you wanted to hear, although your question itself was unsaid.
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yes, of course - it will sharpen a bmd with melon in plain sight, just like bmp-2 and bmp-3, only it will sharpen MORE EFFICIENTLY - after all, it will stick out not from 30mm, but from 30 + 100 IN DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.
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sorry if messy.

[Black Colonel]

It is possible that "Berezhok" is mounted on the same shoulder strap without significant alterations, but for "Bakhchi" significant alterations are needed - the recoil of a 100 mm cannon must somehow be taken into account. Although, I'm not a specialist, just speculation.

[Disant]

the author, the photo again does not correspond to the article - in the photo there is an ordinary bmp-2.
here is "Berezhok"

[Olgerd Gediminovich]

Distant,
for sure!
I also wanted to post a current photo. To make it clear what to discuss.
But this is quite complete and all external systems are also with comments.
The only thing that can be added to the image above is a two-plane stabilizer on the gun.
And in the body of the article it is not clear (maybe there is simply no information) - did you change the engine during the modernization? For the heavy "Berezhka" old UTD-20S1 with 300 hp. will not be enough. In Algeria, during the modernization, UTD-23 was installed (370 hp - gluttonous, bastard!). Now you can think of something newer?

[family tree]

Yes, not enough 30, at least 57, from the office
And do not listen to the fool, after all, I will shove 2A46 into the Mi-24, and cho, compensate for the exhaust, twenty kg into the target

[Disant]

Yes, not enough 30, at least 57, from the office

missile ununification will go with bmd-2 and bmd-3
less ammunition. But bmp-1 and bmp-1 already had 70mm Thunder - it was removed due to insufficiency.
again, programmable shells are on the way, which negates the advantage of 57mm.
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air

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ground from 1.12

[Barberry25]

here the problem is different ... at the moment the BMP-2 carries about 300 rounds of the OFS (or 350? I don’t remember anymore) with 50 grams of explosives each..57 mm high ballistics cannon carries ONLY 90 rounds in the stowage ... and even if there 2/3 OFSs are 60 shells with 150 grams of explosives ... that is. 2a42 can give 30 bursts of ten rounds with a total of 500 g of explosives, and a 57 mm cannon of 30 bursts of 2 projectiles with 300 g of explosives per salvo. you understand not a fountain .. it is more optimal to give 57 mm for BOPS, and use AGS for offices

[family tree]

So sometimes 150 grams in one place taxis. Although the 2a46 is 125 mm, you can't close the barrel in the mountains

[Barberry25]

the problem is that the ammo is limited and in any case it is necessary to plant several shells to defeat the infantry - the same story with tanks - 22 shells in the AZ seems to be a lot, but in the end, after half an hour you need to take it back and reload it again ... The BC is not that big and well-developed fellows that they put on Berezhok AGS, thereby almost doubling the effectiveness of the infantry.

[family tree]

Got it, he didn’t swell at once. Locked on the trunk.

[Barberry25]

for me, so all modern armored vehicles of the bip level should be equipped with a panoramic sight paired with 7,72 or 12,7 and tanks already panoramic with 23 mm cannons, showed samples of single-barreled aircraft for several years ... well, the installation of AGS is ubiquitous on tanks / bmp / ​​armored personnel carriers ...

[family tree]

Jews put mortars on their chariots. The PTK-5 was on the IS-3 as standard.

[Disant]

BMP-2 carries about 300 OFS shells (or 350

500
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it is more optimal to give 57 mm for BOPS, and use AGS for offices

already the troops have a new 30mm OBPS - penetration of 120mm armor at a distance of 1km))
+ question - and with 57mm where does the AGS come in the kit, I just don't understand what is being compared?
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and it seems to me that the dispute is better for BMP - 30mm or 57mm will reach a new level when guided ammunition appears (two videos above)
but one fig one of the main issues will be the cost of the projectile (as the main caliber for an infantry fighting vehicle) / efficiency, and while 30mm wins

[Barberry25]

so you climbed here too ... don't confuse the AMMUNITION and the number of OFZ in it ... 120 mm ... from 1 km ... 30 mm ... then the Europeans gave birth to a telescopic ammunition in caliber 40 mm ... with a penetration of 150 mm from 1,5 km ... but here 30 mm ... bops and as much as 120 mm from 1 km ...

[Disant]

in the sense - climbed? is this a private chat?
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do not confuse the BOEKOMPLEKT and the number of OFZ in it

I am not confusing - the ammunition load is 500 rounds, and the nomenclature can be completely different.

here the Europeans gave birth to a telescopic ammunition in a caliber of 40 mm ... with a penetration of 150 mm from 1,5 km ... and then 30 mm ... bops and as much as 120 mm from 1 km

You can give birth to anything, only you confuse 40mm and 30mm, the cost of both and the sufficiency of penetration of the new 30mm ammunition for the purposes of the equipment on which this ammunition is used.
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but the most important thing is its presence in the European troops. since no, it means oh - there are a lot of problems and there is nothing to compare yet.
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so ku - twist the picatinny rails and don't forget to attach the collimator and all the rest of the tripe.

[Barberry25]

you just climbed up ... but talk about the "different nomenclature" behind the toilet at breaks ... There is a standard for ammunition and no one "let me load more OFSs instead of BZTeshek" ... So it's better to pray, don't show your low level ..About confusion, this is for you, it was you who gave birth to some unique 30 mm ammunition that pierces 120 mm, but once blurted out and want to debate, okay, give birth to a link to the source where we have written about such a miracle shells that are canceled by their existence in fact development of any other ...

[Disant]

talk behind the toilet during breaks

knockout

To be confused is to you, it was you who gave birth to some unique 30 mm ammunition that penetrates 120 mm

oh, doubts?
I correctly understood that the leaky bastion, sucked out of the finger, in the form

Europeans gave birth to a telescopic ammunition in the caliber of 40 mm ... with a penetration of 150 mm from 1,5 km.

fell?
Or will you still force the Europeans to give birth to a telescope again? or will you push yourself?

[Barberry25]

So where are Billy's proofs? Where is the reference to "the new serial 30 mm projectile for 2a42 penetrates 120 mm of armor from 1 km"?

In your next message I'm waiting for the confirmation of your own words .. or are you just a liar?

[Disant]

why are you sending me pictures seven years ago?
for parallel:
Have you seen pictures of sumvolts with the latest guns?
there, too, new shells were invented and a cannon based on new principles.
where is it all? posers - the navel is torn.
and a 30mm OBPS in the troops has been drilling holes in the training grounds for a year.

[Barberry25]

those. even pictures will not be? By the way, the "pictures" are at most 4 years old, not 7 ... so where are Billy's proofs?

[Ros 56]

Well, they will hiss again behind the cordon about our aggression.

[family tree]

Yes, after what their pilots in Afghanistan, under amphitamines were doing, they would be silent in a rag

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: perepilka

Yes after what their pilots

All the media are under them, so the world man in the street will not know about it, and if he hears somewhere with the edge of his ear, he will be helped to forget faster.
But about Russia-aggressor they will vparivat and vparivat him.

[Oleg Aviator]

Ett good.) And the boomerang will be even better)

[Diverter]

for Afgan, a modernization of the BMP-2D (modified) was developed. This modification did not know how to overcome water obstacles. But her booking was improved. My deep couch opinion is as follows. It is necessary to upgrade 90% of the BMP-2 to the level of the BMP-2DM. Those. that "Afghan" version to modernize the current M with the installation of Berezhka. There is no extra armor. The remaining 10% should be upgraded to a clean BMP-2M with distribution to a reconnaissance unit, etc. Because "women still give birth to soldiers" does not work anymore. And also a well-trained fighter is a value that must be protected.

[family tree]

Yes, at least like her. They are laying kilograms. At the betra, the bottom flies out through the roof if the dog does not find it on the wiring

[Diverter]

Yes. But in M ​​ke, a sheet of armor was welded on the bottom and lower frontal. It's better than without them.

[family tree]

No, nafig, on top of the armor

[Fema itkin]

And this is all that the Commander-in-Chief is capable of?

[family tree]

Shut up. We have our own bazaar. And the colonel has his own destiny, time will tell.

[Crabong]

Hopefully there will be a batch of one hundred units, at least ...