Israel recalls ambassador from Warsaw in response to Poland's restitution law

A diplomatic scandal is brewing between Israel and Poland amid the signing by Polish President Andrzej Duda of a law on the restitution of property of victims of the Holocaust. Tel Aviv (Jerusalem - in the Israeli version of the capital) has already recalled the head of the Israeli embassy in Warsaw.

Israel reacted negatively to the adoption by the Polish authorities of the law on the restitution of property of citizens affected by the Holocaust. According to the new law, the descendants of the victims of the Holocaust can appeal against the seizure of property within 30 years after the incident, i.e. the document deprives them of most of even a theoretical chance to receive at least some kind of compensation due to the expiration of the terms.

Despite pressure from the United States and Israel, Poland passed the law. In response, the Israeli Foreign Ministry recalled the head of the embassy in Warsaw for "indefinite consultations" and postponed the arrival of the new ambassador. In addition, the Polish ambassador to Israel was advised to "continue his leave at home."

(...) Poland has adopted, and this is not the first time, an anti-Semitic and immoral law. Tonight I gave instructions to the head of the embassy in Warsaw to return immediately to Israel for indefinite consultations (...) the new ambassador (...) will not go to Poland

- said the head of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, Yair Lapid.

Warsaw did not remain in debt and promised Tel Aviv "retaliatory measures". The Polish authorities accused Israel of "causing serious damage to bilateral relations" and threatened to respond "symmetrically."

The Government of the Republic of Poland will take appropriate political and diplomatic measures, taking into account the principle of symmetry in bilateral relations

- said in the message of the Polish Foreign Ministry.

Earlier, Poland itself has repeatedly raised the issue of possible compensations and reparations for the war years, I make claims to Germany or Russia.

Comments

[aszzz888]

Why is that the whole field fighting off the hands! I mean the Merikatos, and then there is

Israel recalls ambassador from Warsaw in response to Poland's restitution law

It is quite possible that pshekia will be treated, and more likely - forcibly.

PS And then these prodigal sons)) would not have asked to go back to the "Warsaw Pact"!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: aszzz888

It is quite possible that pshekia will be treated, and more likely - forcibly

11 billion a year in aid from the EU. For the present day. A vampire, not a state. It's time to dare ... Moreover, the Poles' guilt in the Holocaust is immeasurable and obvious. The murders of the surviving prisoners of the camps, who were returning to their houses and apartments already occupied by the Poles, happened there even after the war. And even mass pogroms. They passed this law in vain! Very.

[aszzz888]

Mountain shooter (Eugene)
Today, 07: 46

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Quote: aszzz888
It is quite possible that pshekia will be treated, and more likely - forcibly

11 billion a year in aid from the EU. For the present day. A vampire, not a state. It's time to dare ... Moreover, the Poles' guilt in the Holocaust is immeasurable and obvious. The murders of the surviving prisoners of the camps, who were returning to their houses and apartments already occupied by the Poles, happened there even after the war. And even mass pogroms. They passed this law in vain! Very.

Eugene, ! Just my post on this topic below.

[Shurik70]

Polish politicians have always been a loyal enemy to their benefactors. That being part of the Russian Empire, that in the Warsaw Pact, that in NATO.
When Poland was "with no one", by itself, it immediately began a quarrel with its neighbors. As for the conquest by the Russian Empire, as for getting into the Warsaw Pact.
And this despite the fact that ordinary people there are quite adequate.
It seems that the "elite" is bred in a separate nursery.

[Flooding]

Quote: Shurik70

It seems that the "elite" is bred in a separate nursery

Hmm, a very interesting observation.
But, it seems that by.
There is a kind of wormhole, which then grows into rot.
Actually, it is enough to look at the Russian elites. Or any others in the post-Soviet space.
Prost it is enough for each of us to look impartially and strictly inside ourselves in order to understand where SUCH comes from later.

[fruc]

Earlier, Poland itself has repeatedly raised the issue of possible compensations and reparations for the war years, I make claims to Germany or Russia.

Poland has always been like this, nothing new. The most offended, dissatisfied and deprived. At the same time, they consider themselves to be almost the "center of the universe." It is surprising how long the EU (donors to Western Europe) will tolerate this parasite state.

[Motorist]

Quote: frruc

It is surprising how long the EU (donors to Western Europe) will tolerate this parasite state.

I listened to Western "voices" - they are already threatening Poles and Hungarians that taxpayers do not want to support undemocratic regimes. They do not want refugees, the law on homosexuals, the prohibition of abortion, recently - the law on the media. Now there is restitution ... Disorder!

[d1975]

What kind of adequacy we are talking about, brainwashing at the state level. Children on September 1 must watch films. Russia is an enemy, there are no words about the Germans. Only if business, the rest is complete Russophobia and they do not hide it. Now the Jews got it, well, not only the Russians to be guilty for the pshek)))

[Akuzenka]

What kind of adequacy are we talking about,

The current legal situation is reminiscent of Poland's actions against Jews in 1938. How it ended, apparently the Polish "elite" have forgotten. But the owners did not remind me. Someone wrote well about the actions of the "elites": If you do not understand why the elites commit "idiotic" acts in relation to their country, then they are simply acting in the interests of another country (and of their own pocket). Not literally, but the meaning is this.

[zenion]

d1975 (Dmitry). This is not the only way they treat Russians. They also have a negative attitude towards those Poles who lived in Ukraine for centuries, and then wanted to return to the womb. In the days of the USSR, it was quite simple. Andrei Skulsky lived in the town, and he called himself Andrzej. He wanted to go home, although his ancestors had lived in the town since the fifth century. He had a huge garden, a house two stories from his parents. He had a daughter who married an officer and had two children. He wanted to sell the house and garden, but his daughter managed to dissuade him. Go, live, and here I will look after. I went and it was enough there for a couple of months. I came back and said that I was no longer a Pole, that I was shit and so on. What would the devils take this Poland.

[Pushkar]

Quote: Shurik70

And this despite the fact that ordinary people there are quite adequate.

Are ordinary people adequate? And who smashed and killed, who caught and gave the fugitive prisoners of concentration camps to the Gestapo? Only the "elite"?

[kind]

What is there to be surprised at? Throughout its history, Poland has shown its unfounded contempt and hostility towards other peoples. There have been moments in history when Poland, as a state, could disappear. If such a moment comes again, I think no one will stand on ceremony with them. They are already tired of everyone. The nationality of a Pole will sound like a Roma.

[Uncle lee]

There is such a film "Faces of Death", filmed by Poles and Americans ... About how the character of Poles manifested itself in World War II ... Jackals and hyenas ...

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Uncle Lee

There is such a film "Faces of Death", filmed by Poles and Americans ... About how the character of Poles manifested itself in World War II ... Jackals and hyenas ...

It was not for nothing that VVP called the Polish ambassador to Nazi Germany an "anti-Semitic pig", and then when the Poles raised a hi, he mentioned the archives three times: ".... Not a complete, not a complete list! ... .... Thank God we still have enough documents that we got as trophies! ... ... We have enough materials !. "

[Konnick]

Moreover, the guilt of the Poles in the Holocaust is immeasurable and obvious. The murders of the surviving prisoners of the camps, who were returning to their houses and apartments already occupied by the Poles, happened there even after the war. And even mass pogroms. They passed this law in vain! Very.

Poles are a people thoroughly saturated with religion and religion plays a big role in Poland in politics, most Poles are ardent Catholics, and they are Jews, the people who betrayed
Christ. Sheer obscurantism.

[Olkhovsky]

and to them the Jews, the people who betrayed Christ

And if we take into account that Christ and the apostles are all Jews themselves, then in general the game turns out

[Alex Justice]

They invented Bible tales, the Tolmouths got confused in them themselves.

[georgje]

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Konnick

Sheer obscurantism.

The first small Jewish communities existed in Poland by the 1346th century, and then the Polish Jewish population increased significantly, accepting Jews expelled from other European countries, including Germany (1420), Austria (1492), Spain (1497), Portugal ( 1394), France (1349), Hungary (1526-1686 and 1740-1334). King Casimir III the Great is considered the patron saint of Jews in Poland. In XNUMX, Casimir the Great removed the Jews from the jurisdiction of German law and from that time on, Jewish communities were directly under the jurisdiction of the royal court. After the decision of Casimir the Great to ensure the safety and interests of the Jews, the Kingdom of Poland became a haven for the Semitic people, expelled from the rest of Europe.

[Konnick]

King Casimir III the Great is considered the patron saint of Jews in Poland

Casimir pursued his own goals, and the goals were purely mercantile, by no means altruistic. Reminds the pro-migrant policy of our government, to build the economy at the expense of labor migrants. But the people believe in fairy tales, i.e. eternal holy scriptures, not temporary rulers ..... and that was a long time ago, already in the 14th century. ... And Jews settled in Poland, moving away from the exorbitant taxes imposed on them in German lands, and in others, and were not expelled. All these rulers saw in the Jews only a wallet, and the local population saw in them usurers and artisans-competitors, as well as bearers of a foreign faith, although Christianity came about as a sect of Judaism.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Konnick

And Jews settled in Poland, moving away from the exorbitant taxes imposed on them in German lands, and in others, and were not expelled.

The kings promulgated the decree of March 31, 1492 on the expulsion of all Jews from both kingdoms - Castile and Aragon. The decree motivates this extreme decision “by the great harm for Christians from communication, conversations and contacts with Jews, about whom it is known that they always try in all possible ways and means to avert believing Christians from the holy Catholic faith and alienate them from it and attract and seduce them into their own unholy faith, "and so on.
The Jews were given a deadline until the end of July, and they were forbidden not only to return to Spain, but even to pass through Spanish lands on pain of death and confiscation of all property.

On September 17, 1394, Charles VI unexpectedly published an ordinance, the content of which essentially boiled down to the following: he repeatedly heard complaints about the dishonesty and bad behavior of Jews towards Christians; prosecutors inquiring have identified a number of cases of violation of the agreement concluded by the Jews with him. In view of this, he issues an irrevocable law, by virtue of which, henceforth, no Jew has the right to reside in his domain. The Jews were given a respite so that they could sell their property and pay their debts.

[Konnick]

I welcome your knowledge in Internet searches, but there are other sources that are more independent of textbooks for schoolchildren. What you brought happened already in the later dates of the exodus, we can say the decrees of resentment at the exodus of the Jews. Casimir III had already sheltered the Jews by that time.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Konnick

Casimir III had already sheltered the Jews by that time.

One and all? So were the Jews expelled or not?

[culinary]

Quote: Konnick

Moreover, the guilt of the Poles in the Holocaust is immeasurable and obvious. The murders of the surviving prisoners of the camps, who were returning to their houses and apartments already occupied by the Poles, happened there even after the war. And even mass pogroms. They passed this law in vain! Very.

Poles are a people thoroughly saturated with religion and religion plays a big role in Poland in politics, most Poles are ardent Catholics, and they are Jews, the people who betrayed
Christ. Sheer obscurantism.

Well no. As strange as it may sound, the Poles are the last stronghold of Christianity in Europe.
They are mostly Catholic. They do not accept "European values" in the form of rear wheel drive and other mentally ill minorities. They do not accept the imposition of a religion alien to them and treat "refugees" with hatred. Perhaps these are the phantom pains of the Commonwealth, but I think this is a matter of self-preservation and security. Those people who come from Ukraine come to work, study and can assimilate.
Newcomers from the south - no!
And they passed the law for Poland, not against the Jews. Although the war ended long ago, they continue to "milk" the nemchura for post-traumatic manifestations in the descendants of those killed at the hands of the Nazis.

[Konnick]

Well no. As strange as it may sound, the Poles are the last stronghold of Christianity in Europe.
They are mostly Catholic. They do not accept "European values" in the form of rear wheel drive and other mentally ill minorities.

Not one thing, so another. Pedophilia and gay relationships are very popular among clergymen; scandals occasionally arise among both Catholics and Orthodox Christians. Kuraev was defrocked for these investigations.

[EwgenyZ]

Quote: Konnick

Pedophilia and gay relationships are very popular with worshipers

Where did you get this game from? There are fewer homosexuals, like other vices, among clerics than among anticlericals. And for such a spiritual leadership, if he finds out, he will not pat on the head, at least in Orthodoxy. And Kuraev, as well as other "truth-tellers," such as the possessed former schema-abbot, was kicked out of the church not for "investigations," but for a rotten tongue.

[culinary]

Quote: EwgenyZ

Quote: Konnick

Pedophilia and gay relationships are very popular with worshipers

Where did you get this game from? There are fewer homosexuals, like other vices, among clerics than among anticlericals. And for such a spiritual leadership, if he finds out, he will not pat on the head, at least in Orthodoxy. And Kuraev, as well as other "truth-tellers," such as the possessed former schema-abbot, was kicked out of the church not for "investigations," but for a rotten tongue.

Most of the pedophile scandals took place in the United States.
This is also present in Europe, but to a lesser extent.
Although the priests are hunting for boys.

[Obliterator]

Quote: kulinar

As strange as it may sound, the Poles are the last stronghold of Christianity in Europe.
They are mostly Catholic. They do not accept "European values" in the form of rear wheel drive and other mentally ill minorities. They do not accept the imposition of a religion alien to them and treat "refugees" with hatred. Perhaps these are the phantom pains of the Commonwealth, but I think this is a matter of self-preservation and security.

It's very sad. I do not like the "progressive values" somewhere in Germany or in Italy and Spain, but I cannot wish anything else for the Poles, the Balts and the British.

[2 Level Advisor]

well, in a sense, the rulers of Poland are doing the right thing - at the expense of the EU money - they are growing, migrants-idlers Negroes with Arabs are almost never brought by-Asians, but they are imported from Ukraine and Belarus, they do not support LGBT .. they would not be Russophobes yet, although maybe not so Russophobes, but the boss (striped) said to be Russophobes means they will be ..

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Konnick

Moreover, the guilt of the Poles in the Holocaust is immeasurable and obvious. The murders of the surviving prisoners of the camps, who were returning to their houses and apartments already occupied by the Poles, happened there even after the war. And even mass pogroms. They passed this law in vain! Very.

Poles are a people thoroughly saturated with religion and religion plays a big role in Poland in politics, most Poles are ardent Catholics, and they are Jews, the people who betrayed
Christ. Sheer obscurantism.

Maybe everything is much more mercantile? The Jews will simply bankrupt Poland with these compensations.

[vladcub]

Nothing happens in vain. As the Little Prince says about the stars: "if the stars light up, then someone needs it"

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: vladcub

As the Little Prince says about the stars: "if the stars light up, then someone needs it"

Something you are not right ...
Listen to this!
After all, if the stars are lit -
means - it is necessary for someone?
So - someone wants them to be? V.V.Mayakovsky
And the little prince:
- You will look at the sky at night, and there will be such a star, where I live, where I laugh - and you will hear that all the stars are laughing. You will have stars who can laugh! And he laughed himself.
- You will always be my friend. You will want to laugh with me. Sometimes you will open the window like this, and you will be pleased ... And your friends will be surprised that you are laughing, looking at the sky. And you tell them: "Yes, yes, I always laugh, looking at the stars!"

[vladcub]

1) I read about "Prince" vertically in the 8th or 9th grade. I didn't know about the stars that it was Mayakovsky
2) the essence is the same anyway

[KLM77]

Is the essence the same? Yes, you, my friend, are a great original!

[hagen]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

11 billion a year in aid from the EU. For the present day. A vampire, not a state.

Let's face it, the EU knew well who it was sucking in itself in 2004. But he wanted to "wipe the nose" of Russia, and for this he was ready to fork out. So we got into our own political trap. Today Germany is already saying out loud that the source of additional money is drying up and the time is coming for the settlement of preferential loans. The Poles, in turn, started talking about a possible exit from the EU. No "common values", only money ... Poland, as in former times, remained the most nationalist state in Europe. The EU has failed to re-educate her. She generally cannot live peacefully in an alliance with any state on an equal footing, and even more so in a subordinate position, she always wants to dominate. So scandals in the "holy family" are inevitable in the future.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Mountain Shooter

11 billion a year in aid from the EU. For the present day. A vampire, not a state.

Let's face it, the EU knew well who it was sucking in itself in 2004. But he wanted to "wipe the nose" of Russia, and for this he was ready to fork out. So we got into our own political trap. Today Germany is already saying out loud that the source of additional money is drying up and the time is coming for the settlement of preferential loans. The Poles, in turn, started talking about a possible exit from the EU. No "common values", only money ... Poland, as in former times, remained the most nationalist state in Europe. The EU has failed to re-educate her. She generally cannot live peacefully in an alliance with any state on an equal footing, and even more so in a subordinate position, she always wants to dominate. So scandals in the "holy family" are inevitable in the future.

Hungary is an even more nationalist state. These are our allies under the Warsaw Pact. Everyone pulled in their direction.

[hagen]

Quote: Normal ok

Hungary is an even more nationalistic state.

This is still a question .... The indicator in it (not the only one, but still ...) may be the share of other nationalities in the general structure of the population. In Poland, Poles - 96,74% of the population, in Hungary, Hungarians - 92,3% ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The murders of the surviving prisoners of the camps, who returned to their houses and apartments already occupied by the Poles, happened there even after the war. And even mass pogroms.

Jewish pogroms are known not only in Poland.
they were in almost all European countries where Jews lived.
and in the Russian Empire as well.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

They passed this law in vain

I do not agree with you.
Duda acted in the interests of his nation and his state.
He is not the president of Israel.
Let's be objective regardless of our likes / dislikes towards Poles and Jews.
And the crimes of the Second World War need to be investigated - this is not even discussed.
In this I would support Israel.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Flood

Duda acted in the interests of his nation and his state.
He is not the president of Israel

He protects those whose ancestors may have killed the owner of the property they now own. Such a nation ... such a state ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

He protects those whose ancestors may have killed the owner of the property they now own.

he protects those of his completely law-abiding citizens, whose ancestors 80 years ago POSSIBLY acted against conscience and humanity.
Can you imagine how many such citizens are in the world? whose ancestors once acted very unseemly?
for example, they wrote an anonymous letter, and the person was repressed, and this activist got a room in a communal apartment.
therefore, the most important step in my opinion is a thorough and unbiased investigation of the crime, if any.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Flood

therefore, the most important step in my opinion is a thorough and unbiased investigation of the crime, if any.

And this law EXCLUDES such investigation.

[culinary]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Flood

therefore, the most important step in my opinion is a thorough and unbiased investigation of the crime, if any.

And this law EXCLUDES such investigation.

And thank God...
Over the years.

[culinary]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Flood

Duda acted in the interests of his nation and his state.
He is not the president of Israel

He protects those whose ancestors may have killed the owner of the property they now own. Such a nation ... such a state ...

These Jews have already pissed off the whole of Europe. A law on the return of Jewish property is being promoted in Latvia. Shchaz! Not for that, the Latvians, the descendants of the SS, "returned" the lost property, which was pledged to the Jewish bankers, in order to give it "back-breaking labor" ...
As in the nineties, the new-old owners of the tenants were thrown out of their apartments ...
This awaits Ukraine when the psheks declare their rights to the property.
Still, medieval settlement laws were fairer and cancellation of debts once a year ...

[unknown]

Poland before WWII was one of the most Jewish countries in Europe.
The Poles killed Jews before the Nazis, killed along with the Nazis, killed after the Nazis.
In fact, the Poles killed almost all the Jews, took their property, and became a mononation.
How are their actions different from those of the Nazis?

[Terenin]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: aszzz888

It is quite possible that pshekia will be treated, and more likely - forcibly

11 billion a year in aid from the EU. For the present day. A vampire, not a state. It's time to dare ... Moreover, the Poles' guilt in the Holocaust is immeasurable and obvious. The murders of the surviving prisoners of the camps, who were returning to their houses and apartments already occupied by the Poles, happened there even after the war. And even mass pogroms. They passed this law in vain! Very.

And, remind you about the "Gold Rush" at the site of concentration camps in Poland? Just awful.

From the book "The Golden Harvest" - about the "gold rush" in the ashes of concentration camps. By the way, the author - Jan Tomasz Gross, professor at Princeton University.

For some of the earliest evidence of what happened in Treblinka immediately after the war, we owe Michal Kalembasyak and Karol Ogrodovczyk, who arrived at the camp on September 13, 1945 and noted, among other things, the following: where the camp was located, it turned out to be a dug field dug up by the surrounding population.The field was so dug up that in some places there were pits up to 10 m deep, in which human remains were visible - tibia, jaws, etc. <...> Current state Treblinka is a large field, in some places with thickets of trees. All the barracks that were there were burned or plundered clean by the surrounding population. We found only the remains. The large number of people killed here is evidenced by the fact that the dug holes ten meters deep are overflowing with human bones. <... > Under each tree there were holes dug by gold and diamond seekers.The smell of corpses and gas hit our heads so hard that my colleague and I started vomiting and terrible scratching in the throat.

[Machito]

Poland, which has made claims to Germany and Russia, from the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact to the fall of the Berlin Wall, has shown its true fascist face. Russia and Israel should openly call the Poles fascists. And it is true. Poland prepared Ukrainian and Belarusian fascists for the Maidans. But the Poles do not understand what will happen if the Ukrainian fascists go nuts. First of all, they will slaughter the Poles in Ukraine so that the Volyn massacre will seem to the Poles as a children's matinee for pacifists.

[BAI]

Moreover, the guilt of the Poles in the Holocaust is immeasurable and obvious

Over 90% of the Jews living there were exterminated on the territory of Poland. This is only possible with the active help of the local population.

[culinary]

Quote: BAI

Moreover, the guilt of the Poles in the Holocaust is immeasurable and obvious

Over 90% of the Jews living there were exterminated on the territory of Poland. This is only possible with the active help of the local population.

Then a logical question arises:
And why did the Poles hate Jews so much?
Well, it's not just that they were inflamed with hatred of "white and fluffy" ...

[hydrox]

How is that for?
And for the structure of the brain!
Jews at all times were capable of mastering "free professions" - scientists, doctors, musicians, usurers, merchants, innkeepers, watchmakers, ... - so the authorities, as it were, were not involved at all times and all this could easily be blamed on the will of the shirnarmass ...

[hydrox]

This was not an active help, but this was the universal participation of the indigenous population in the process of its criminal enrichment, both in acts of robbery of homes, and in tearing out crowns and ransacking corpses.
And in Russia the nationalists staged pogroms, but only in Russia the pogroms were not rampant and were not accompanied by mass killings.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

They passed this law in vain! Very.

Why in vain? They passed this law in the interests of Polish citizens who would otherwise have been made homeless and landless by Israeli Jews ....
The example of the Baltic states is obvious, as a result of restitution, hundreds of thousands of citizens of the Baltic countries were left homeless ...

[alystan]

For the Poles, the "time of vampirism" is already coming to an end, they now, like tribalts with other Czechs and Slovenes ..., stop receiving free subsidies from the EU. Poland alone has received 15 billion euros in subsidies in 120 years!
[media = https: //cont.ws/@violakrim/2040848]
But the Poles did not hesitate here either, but in this case threatened to leave the EU following the example of the small-shavens.
Seeing them now is not afraid of anything, for all accusations against them they have "their own historical truth."

[No name B]

The Poles did not steal these funds, but invested in their economy, Poland rushes ahead at full speed ...

[sniperino]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

They passed this law in vain! Very.

The frayer's greed ruined.

[hydrox]

Apparently, such instincts are hidden in the genes of peoples who consider old Europe as their great-mother: that there is hatred for the Russians, that the ineradicable desire to add to the robbery of the Jews, that there is nothing inexplicable love for fascism in all its forms.

[Thrifty]

Yes, to join Poland to Israel as a new superkabut, business is

[alex neym_2]

Get in line: Eastern Croesus is on its way! Several lawsuits have already been filed against Ukraine and this is just the beginning. Maybe Germany will wake up and declare its territorial claims to the Poles, instead of feeding them? This will be the number!

[Sergej1972]

Restitution is the return of property to individuals, not the transfer of territories.

[alex neym_2]

You may be right, but I meant something else: the private ownership of land plots by the Germans, who were evicted from the territory of modern Poland after WWII ...

[White man]

If on a part of their own land and property there are representatives of another state, especially of another and neighboring nation, but with a higher economic level? How soon will they be willing and able to connect with their own? (I'm more about the Germans now, really)

[Terenin]

Quote: aszzz888

It is quite possible that pshekia will be treated, and more likely - forcibly

This is what is called - hunger cure Slag overkill.

[g1v2]

At one time, Jews in Poland owned up to 20 percent of the economy. Factories, factories, houses, etc. Therefore, the Poles accepted the ideas of the Nazis with enthusiasm. And they robbed the Jews to the bone. Plus, they were killed and driven out much more actively than even the Germans. Moreover, when our people drove the Germans out of Poland, the Poles after a while carried out their own Jewish pogrom. By the end of the war, practically nothing remained of the huge and influential Jewish diaspora. If restitution begins now, then Poland will have to return a significant part of real estate and businesses to Jews. Well, in fact, pay Jews and their descendants for damage. The Poles, of course, do not want to do this, but they also cannot quarrel with the United States, which cannot push it. Therefore, they did it kind of cleverly - they limited everything in time to 30 years. It is clear that so much has passed since the collapse of the USSR, and nothing will be subject to restitution.
In general, Israel and the United States will be dissatisfied, but the Poles, like, do not refuse restitution, but only limited it. Like everything else is antiquity and another Poland.

[White man]

To the western Ukrainian and Belarusian lands and other things, will they (Poles) similarly remove the requirements?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: aszzz888

It is quite possible that pshekia will be treated, and more likely - forcibly.

The 5-bucket enema is probably already prepared! Will the Poles survive?

[media = https: //ok.ru/video/546655439600? fromTime = 45]

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

The pride of hereditary proud, but poor, gentry will not allow.
PS And who will take them ...

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

That's the whole essence of what is the first, what is the second!

[Cat]

whole essence

"It's all the fault of money, money, money!" (WITH)

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Not only, more ambition!

[Cat]

ambition!

How can it be without him! Moreover, the more leaky the pants, the more ambitious National trait ...

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

gonorrhea? ...

[Lech from Android.]

The restitution law is a controversial law.
Because of it, innocent people can suffer ...
The heirs of the landlords, bankers and factory owners of 1917 can make claims against the people of Russia in the same way.
These claims must be nipped in the bud.

[andreykolesov123]

Israeli F-35s flew to pacify Warsaw, your work must always be done for you.

[aszzz888]

Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
Today, 07: 41
+1
The restitution law is a controversial law.
Because of it, innocent people can suffer ...

Yes. And if you still remember the history, then the Jews have something to ask the Poles for.

The biggest incident was in Krakow, where a pogrom took place on August 11, 1945, which began with throwing stones at the synagogue, and then escalated into attacks on houses and dormitories where Jews lived. Units of the Polish and Soviet Army put an end to the pogrom. Among the Jews were killed and wounded. .... Poland, without a doubt, after the war was the most dangerous country for the Jews. At least 500 Jews were killed by the Poles in the period between the surrender of Germany and the summer of 1946, most historians generally cite the figure as about 1500 [6].

And this is ALREADY AFTER THE WAR !!!

[Lech from Android.]

If you remember the whole history, then claims can now be put forward to any country for restitution, even to Israel itself for the seizure of land from the Palestinians.

[aszzz888]

Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
Today, 07: 57

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If you remember the whole history, then claims can now be put forward to any country for restitution, even to Israel itself for the seizure of land from the Palestinians.

Let them figure it out on their own, but the Poles simply kill people en masse after the war, then it does not reach me at all!

[Cat]

If you remember the whole history, then claims can now be made to any country for restitution

It's true. How can we not recall the story of the Magdeburg Gates of St. Sophia Cathedral in Novgorod, described by A. Bushkov

[unhappy]

The genocide of Jews in Poland during the German occupation was largely successful due to the active participation (denunciation) of the Poles themselves. It is a fact.

[aszzz888]

unhappy (Alexander)
Today, 07: 58

+1
The genocide of Jews in Poland during the German occupation was largely successful due to the active participation (denunciation) of the Poles themselves. It is a fact.

There were several reasons)):

A memorandum from the Polish authorities in early 1946 stated that from November 1944 to December 1945, according to available information, 351 Jews were killed. Most of the killings took place in the Kieleckie and Lubelskie Voivodeships, the victims were those returning from concentration camps or former partisans. Four types of attacks were mentioned in the report:

attacks due to the spread of rumors about the murder of a Polish child (Lublin, Rzeszow, Tarnow, Sosnowici)
blackmail to evict Jews or seize their property
murder for the purpose of robbery
murders not accompanied by robbery, in most cases by throwing grenades into Jewish shelters[5]

[Pushkar]

Quote: aszzz888

There were several reasons)):

There was no reason. There were reasons.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: unhappy

The genocide of Jews in Poland during the German occupation was largely successful due to the active participation (denunciation) of the Poles themselves. It is a fact.

Denunciation is the smallest sin. There is an order number 116 signed by the head of the Home Army Bur-Komarovsky on countering Jewish bandits. Thanks to this order, thousands of Jews who had escaped in the forests were killed by the AK militants.
During the Warsaw uprising of 1944, in the two to three weeks that Warsaw was in the hands of the rest, 1800 Jews were killed out of the remaining 2000 Jews who had illegally resided in Warsaw after the liquidation of the ghetto in 1943.

[vladcub]

For the sake of truth, where were there no denunciations and cooperation with the invaders?

[culinary]

Quote: aszzz888

Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
Today, 07: 41
+1
The restitution law is a controversial law.
Because of it, innocent people can suffer ...

Yes. And if you still remember the history, then the Jews have something to ask the Poles for.

The biggest incident was in Krakow, where a pogrom took place on August 11, 1945, which began with throwing stones at the synagogue, and then escalated into attacks on houses and dormitories where Jews lived. Units of the Polish and Soviet Army put an end to the pogrom. Among the Jews were killed and wounded. .... Poland, without a doubt, after the war was the most dangerous country for the Jews. At least 500 Jews were killed by the Poles in the period between the surrender of Germany and the summer of 1946, most historians generally cite the figure as about 1500 [6].

And this is ALREADY AFTER THE WAR !!!

Apparently we've had enough ...

[And Makarov]

Quote: Lech from Android.

The heirs of the landlords, bankers and factory owners of 1917 in the same way can make claims to the people of Russia

This is not to the people of Russia, but to the initiators of the "privatization". I do not think that the current owners will look at it calmly.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lech from Android.

The heirs of the landlords, bankers and factory owners of 1917 can make claims against the people of Russia in the same way.
These claims must be nipped in the bud.

There is no regret for any of the parties - “what we fought for, we ran into it”.
But this event prompted me to think that it was not these "restitutes" (lovers of restitution and supporters of compensation for damage) who "ruined" the economy of the USSR, smashed the once strong state and occupied train stations, post offices, telegraph offices and banks?
I cannot imagine Gref, Chubais, Kiriyenko, Matvienko, Narusova and other figures defending the interests of the once titular nation.
By the way, no one will say why this provision is not enshrined in the amendments to the Constitution, the Russians are replaced by Russians (EBN was the first to pronounce it) and there is nothing about the state-forming people?

[And Makarov]

Quote: ROSS 42

By the way, no one will say why this provision is not enshrined in the amendments to the Constitution, Russians are replaced by Russians (EBN was the first to pronounce it) and there is nothing about the state-forming people

This topic was raised during a direct appeal to the president. They say why Russians in Russia are the most unprotected nation by law, in contrast to other national minorities. And isn't it time to fix it. Vladimir Vladimirovich replied: "It is not necessary yet"
Apparently, not everything is so bad with the state-forming people. The President knows better.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: A Makarov

Apparently, not everything is so bad with the state-forming people. The President knows better.

Something vaguely reminds me:

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[Lech from Android.]

It is for this reason that I am not a supporter of edrosov and communists ...
For them, the Russian people are only a human resource from which they draw people for their plans.

[Rubi0]

They are the very ones, and not accepting the understanding by you that the law on private property is the top of the law and there is a reason why these 'restitutes' export capital abroad, children, buy pitchforks and yachts there, for someone in their right mind will leave it all in a country where they can again undergo nationalization collectivization under the slogans 'To each according to his needs' and the joyful exclamations of people like you.

[vladcub]

If such a law was not adopted under EBN, then now it will not work

[Alex777]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Because of it, innocent people can suffer ...

And those from whom everything was taken away and divided - are they guilty?
Restitution, in fact, concerns what happened before and after the Second World War.
When the map of Europe was changed a lot.
They don't remember 1917. Alaska would have to be given up otherwise.

[Lech from Android.]

To whom did the guilty take away of course ... or do you think that the capital was profited in an honest way? ...
90 percent that thief, deception or robbery or murder.

[Alex777]

To whom the guilty were taken away of course ... or do you think that the capital was profiting in an honest way ...

And those who took away are innocent.
Do you think this is an honest way?
Even for stupid cliches to apply the mind is needed.
It is banal about the apartments in which people lived.
As in present Abkhazia. The Russian grandmother went to the store, returned, and in her apartment there was a strange castle and strangers. And things are in the stairwell.
These are the ones you justify with pathos. And your grandmother is to blame.
But I will never understand this.

[Lech from Android.]

Do not come up with grandmother, I'm talking about those who made money dishonestly ... thieves, swindlers, robbers and murderers.

[Alex777]

And the Polish law on restitution is about a completely different speech.
Including those victims I am talking about.
As for capital, you obviously have no personal experience of acquiring it.
So write, whatever. Get some rest.
PS You and Gates, and Kaspersky, and Durov and many others - all thieves, crooks, robbers and murderers.

[Lech from Android.]

No, I have Khodorkovsky, Gusinsky, Berezovsky and many others, all thieves are swindlers and murderers .. do not write anything at all relax.
The apartments of governors and lieutenant colonels filled with gold and cash are not enough for you.

[Alex777]

Thieves should be in jail. Definitely.
I'm sorry that Khodorkovsky's GDP was released ...

[KCA]

Which grandmother, which castle? An acquaintance from Abkhazia was, the apartment remained in the center of Sukhumi, she has not and has not been there since she left in the 90s, in 2015 she gave the guys the keys, they drove off, the apartment is empty, no one cared for it, lived there for two weeks, asked who, where, why, told and there were no more questions

[Alex777]

Perhaps your friend is lucky.
You didn't specify her nationality, by the way.
But imagine the reality of this story - no one has been in the apartment for 15 years. Why?
For 15 years of complete absence in the apartment, neither the water broke, nor the electricity was cut off, nor the batteries leaked?
The tale is simple.

[KCA]

She was Russian, her father was a scientist, a physicist, worked in Abkhazia, I don’t know about pipes and so on, but three comrades lived in this apartment for two weeks, not a fairy tale, if it really bothers me, there should have been photographs of the apartment, 6 years ago I watched them myself

[Alex777]

Quote: KCA

not a fairy tale, if it's really annoying

Doesn't bother at all. I'm glad for your friend.
In an amicable way, it should be so.
My grandmother and aunt lived in Sukhumi for many decades.
I know the stories there very well.

[KCA]

Unfortunately, there is no one to rejoice, her cancer ate ...

[Avior]

about the mass cases of the weaning of housing from Russians in Abkhazia - a well-known and officially recognized fact at all levels

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation has already sent a note to the Abkhaz leadership, in which it expressed "serious concern about the numerous cases of alienation of Russian citizens' property in Abkhazia," NEWSru.com writes with reference to Moskovsky Komsomolets.

There are already dozens, if not hundreds, of such stories, says Abkhaz lawyer Tamaz Ketsba. “I alone handle about 30 such cases,” he says. “The Russian embassy told me the figure of 4 - so many statements they have about illegal property seizure” .... the story of Galina Dyukareva, who makes money by shuttle business. In 2000, she went to Krasnodar for a few days to buy goods. When I returned, the apartment was already occupied. 6 years were spent on litigation. In 2006, the case was won in the Supreme Court of Abkhazia, but it has not been possible to enforce the judgment since then ...

[KCA]

Perhaps I am writing only about one specific case, which was witnessed by showing a specific apartment specifically by my comrades on Skype and after from photographs, yes, there is not quite everything there, but specifically my comrades who arrived by car not only did not give a bribe to the colonel local traffic police, but also made friends with him so that he drove them to all the taverns and fed and watered for free, perhaps it was influenced by the fact that two of the three served earlier in the non-departmental security, I don't know, or maybe just not all people in Abkhazia are on the bottom

[Avior]

judging by the reports, cases of renting apartments, a dime a dozen.

[KCA]

So I say, maybe I was not there, and after that trip, comrades were in Abkhazia only from Sochi to cross the border and buy alcohol at very low prices in duty-free.

[unknown]

Almost all big capital is created in one way.
In full accordance with the favorite joke of Alexander Dvorkovich.
The father instructs the son; "Remember, you won't earn all the money, you will have to steal most of it."
But, not for nothing, in the West it is customary to divide capital into "old money" and "young money".
The "old money" for the most part "was earned" not by this generation, but by the previous ones, therefore, in the ordinary mind they have already passed the stage of "psychological legalization".
And the "new money" was "earned" by this generation, and a lot of people remain alive who understand how this happened.

[Sergej1972]

What does Alaska have to do with restitution? Did it belong to a private person and was it taken away from that person?

[Alex777]

Quote: Sergej1972

What does Alaska have to do with restitution? Did it belong to a private person and was it taken away from that person?

I reread the documents. You're right.

[paul3390]

The heirs of the landlords, bankers and factory owners of 1917 can make claims against the people of Russia in the same way.

On the other hand, the people can also ask the current Putin alligators for the people's Soviet property ..

[alystan]

Maybe you wanted to say any complaints? Well, the Poles seem to have always acted like this!

[Cat Kuzya]

Well, the Polish gentlemen seem to be in a frenzy of their superpatriotism, and having undressed from their importance, they began to bite, feed, and stroke their hands. Like they are not dependent on anyone and pursue a policy only in the interests of their country. Like we are not a US dog, my hyena. But nothing, both the dog and the hyena are afraid to obey the kicks of the powers that be. It seems to me that soon they will get these kicks.

[aszzz888]

Kuzya the cat (Kuzya)
Today, 07: 48
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Well, the Polish gentlemen seem to be in a frenzy of their superpatriotism, and having undressed from their importance, they began to bite, feed, and stroke their hands. Like they are not dependent on anyone and pursue a policy only in the interests of their country. Like we are not a US dog, my hyena. But nothing, both the dog and the hyena are afraid to obey the kicks of the powers that be. It seems to me that soon they will get these kicks.

It is what it is. On a hike, they no longer want to be a "queen"

She doesn’t want to be the queen,
Wants to be the mistress of the sea; A.S. Pushkin

I do not know what about the "mistress of the sea", but they may well return her to the broken trough.

[KCA]

That's what Germany is shy about, with the advent of the era of the gayrosoyuz, they would have taken Danzig, and the psheks would have nothing to do with the sea, otherwise they threaten Kaliningrad with a couple of rusty pelvis

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Kuzya the Cat

Well, the Polish gentlemen seem to be in a frenzy of their superpatriotism, and undressed from its importance,

Or having been heard?
For any, the blown bubble will certainly burst, and only the volume of the "pop" will depend on how much it inflates ... But, here an option is possible:

[Xlor]

Quote: A Makarov

This is not to the people of Russia, but to the initiators of the "privatization". I do not think that the current owners will look at it calmly.

Don't give a damn about the current owners. Take away everything that was taken from the state and throw it out with a naked woman ... oh out of the country ... Or even better - hand the pick into your hands ...

[A. Privalov]

To understanding the issue.
The Holocaust, there is only a very small component.
In 1968, the head of the PUWP Gomulka and the Minister of Internal Affairs Mechislav Mochar expelled tens of thousands of Jews from the country, all of whose property was confiscated by the state. About half of its Jewish population left Poland.

The adopted law will lead to the closure of 90% of claims for the return of Jewish property expropriated not nazisand the communist regime of Poland, and will also block the possibility of challenging the decisions of the communist regime on restitution issues in court.

[aszzz888]

A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
Today, 08: 02
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To understanding the issue.
The Holocaust, there is only a very small component.
In 1968, the head of the PUWP Gomulka and the Minister of Internal Affairs Mechislav Mochar expelled tens of thousands of Jews from the country. all property of which was confiscated by the state. About half of its Jewish population left Poland. ...

sue. I suppose there are still living ones from that time.

[Thrifty]

Privalov, not a reproach to you skazvno, weren't your members of the forum shouting that the Poles are almost your brothers?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Thrifty

Privalov, not a reproach to you skazvno, weren't your members of the forum shouting that the Poles are almost your brothers?

I don’t know who was shouting what and about whom, I can’t say anything intelligible about this. You never know who in the VO could drown for these or those "brothers", or vice versa, drive them?
The expression "Ukrainian brothers", "Polish brothers", as well as others, say, "Syrian" or in general terms - "Arab" and even "Eskimo", disgusts me. This expression has become so politically opportunistic and partisan, so worn out due to excessive use that it has already lost its initially positive connotational meaning.
Moreover, as you yourself could see that with the help of simple technologies, you can turn the "brotherly people" into a sworn enemy in just a few days.

[Terenin]

Quote: A. Privalov

I don’t know who was shouting what and about whom, I can’t say anything intelligible about this.

Isn't this the whole historical essence of Jewish politics and its consequences !?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Terenin

Isn't this the whole historical essence of Jewish politics and its consequences !?

Oh, what familiar thoughts!
And the responsibility for this, of course, lies with every Jew by the very fact of birth. Right?

[Terenin]

Quote: A. Privalov

Oh, what familiar thoughts!

Who knows Sometimes there is nothing more valuable than a forgotten thought.

Quote: A. Privalov

And the responsibility for this, of course, lies with every Jew by the very fact of birth. Right?

Alexander, I am not a judge or a god. Nobody will give you an answer to this question, because nobody knows. If necessary, look for the answers in yourself.

Even in the Old Testament it is said unequivocally that everything that happens in the world, in one way or another, happens according to the will of God. Including evil.

"I form light and create darkness, make peace and create calamities; I, the Lord, do it all." (Isaiah 45: 7)

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Terenin

Who knows Sometimes there is nothing more valuable than a forgotten thought.

Thank you for reminding me. The idea expressed by you is well known. Adolf Alloizovich loved to repeat it in different variations, not be remembered by nightfall, Adolf Alloizovich.

[Terenin]

Quote: A. Privalov

The idea expressed by you is well known. Adolf Alloizovich loved to repeat it in different variations, not be remembered by nightfall, Adolf Alloizovich.

Nothing that offended not only me, but also my relatives who died, but who defeated this scum?
How do you manage, in different variations, to make even neutral people your enemies?

[Krasnodar]

Gennady, welcome!
We all have lost loved ones who defeated this scum. But, the only good idea of ​​this scum was the autobahns. The rest of the rumors about the commonality of the qualities of people of one nation smell pretty bad.

[Terenin]

Quote: Krasnodar

But, the only good idea of ​​this scum was the Autobahn.

Some of them overclocked them too much in 1939, that there was not enough space.

[Krasnodar]

They say they were intended for alternate runways for aircraft

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Terenin

Nothing that offended not only me, but also my relatives who died, but who defeated this scum?
How do you manage, in different variations, to make even neutral people your enemies?

It's nothing that you have offended many here. You are allowed.
I'm already used to people like you.
And not so different variations in the address of the Jews, that is to say, and in my own on VO heard.
So, do not pretend to be a Kazan orphan. Not me, but you began to quote this scum in your own way.

[Terenin]

Quote: A. Privalov

Quote: Terenin

Nothing that offended not only me, but also my relatives who died, but who defeated this scum?
How do you manage, in different variations, to make even neutral people your enemies?

It's nothing that you have offended many here. You are allowed.
I'm already used to people like you.
And not so different variations in the address of the Jews, that is to say, and in my own on VO heard.
So, do not pretend to be a Kazan orphan. Not me, but you began to quote this scum in your own way.

All clear.
We would be ashamed to lie in old age, all the more on behalf of many. You can not frantically climb on my posts looking for insults by me of any people.
Although ... who am I ... Continue to respectfully call Hitler by his first name and patronymic. In the ghetto, it was yours who were the first to start their own chucks.

[Terenin]

Quote: And Us Rat

Quote: Terenin

Nothing that offended not only me, but also my relatives who died, but who defeated this scum?

You yourself have insulted the memory of your relatives, openly legitimizing the idea that "this scum" was promoting.

Quote: Terenin

How do you manage, in different variations, to make even neutral people your enemies?

A provocateur is never neutral by definition.

In quotes, it means he is your own, which means it is not scum. Do you think someday?
Oh, really a provocateur and your name is legion, and you are a little

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Terenin

In quotes, it means he is your own, which means it is not scum.

You invented this for yourself, and I am not discussing cockroaches in someone else's head.

Quote: Terenin

Do you think someday?

From birth, but you apparently did not, otherwise you would not have dodged as if in a frying pan, trying to divert attention from the fact that you expressed an openly Nazi thought with gorloping.

Quote: Terenin

Ah, really a provocateur

Demagogic reception from kindergarten - "he is like that"
But it is you who quote the Nazis to the Jew, not me.

Quote: Terenin

your name is legion, and you are few

Enough for your lifetime.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Thrifty

weren't your members of the forum shouting that the Poles are almost brothers to you?

What???? Could you give at least one quote from an Israeli forum member on this topic?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Thrifty

weren't your members of the forum shouting that the Poles are almost brothers to you?

Do not consider it difficult to clarify this statement, who exactly, when, in what publication? Screenshots are welcome, the forum mechanism allows.
And then somehow it does not look solid.

[Moskovit]

And what has the communists to do with it? The communists already gave their lives in the fight against the Germans, and the Jews were not expelled from the partisan detachments. It's about the Holocaust, at least in this news. According to the mind of the Polish state, it is necessary to assume these obligations. So that the current owners do not suffer and the relatives of the victims do not sue anyone, but calmly receive compensation. But then it turns out that Poland is a co-partner. Therefore, they cut everyone off for 30 years ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Moskovit

And what has the communists to do with it?
It's about the Holocaust, at least in this news.

It is true that the communists were simply "forgotten" to be mentioned in the article.
This is the accepted form of submission of news materials in editorials at VO: full coverage of the issue, but only on one side.

[Moskovit]

I was not too lazy to look at the Polish media. I did not find any mention of the communists. If you have a link, share it. By the way, about one-sidedness.
Duda deciphered the reason for his decision:
According to President Duda, "this is the end of a state of uncertainty, when apartments and real estate purchased in good faith could be taken away by the usual administrative decision when their owner was found more than 70 years ago." “Practice has shown that these owners were often fictitious, and criminal gangs got rich at the cost of tens of thousands of people thrown into the street,” he said.

“Anyone who was born at the wrong time and in the wrong place could become a victim, and reprivatization, designed to restore justice, has become almost synonymous with injustice and human harm,” the head of state said.

[Avior]

Jews were not expelled from the partisan detachments.

Unfortunately, there was a lot of anti-Semitism in the partisan detachments.

Hero of the Soviet Union, State Security Lieutenant Colonel Kirill Orlovsky, who commanded the Beria partisan detachment in Belarus, told the staff of the Institute of History of the Belarusian Communist Party in September 1943: difficulties, but I was not afraid of these difficulties, I did it only because all the partisan detachments and partisan formations of the Baranovichi and Pinsk regions around us refused these people. There were cases of their murder. people of Jews, peasants of the village of Rajalovichi, Pinsk region, killed 11 people of Jews, "partisans" of the Shchors detachment killed 17 people of Jews.

When I first came to these people, I found them unarmed, barefoot and hungry. They told me: "We want to take revenge on Hitler, but we have no opportunity." (RGASPI, f. 625, op. 1, d. 22, l. 1186-1187).

There are more than a lot of such cases described, to be honest.
in Soviet times, this was not mentioned, for obvious reasons, and even now there is practically no mention.
If a person was an anti-Semite, then having fallen into the partisans, he remained so, provided there was an actual absence of power, this only intensified.
: ((

[unknown]

If Poland accepts these obligations, it will turn it into bankruptcy.
We'll have to change the current elite, but she really doesn't want to.

[Avior]

... To understanding the issue.
The Holocaust, there is only a very small component.

You got excited. The scale compared to the Holocaust is simply incomparable.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Avior

The scale compared to the Holocaust is simply incomparable.

It's not about incomparability. The property of the murdered Jews, taken away by the Nazis, was transferred to the State. On a number of lawsuits, after more than half a century of delays by government agencies, the claims were satisfied. Now, in order to completely close all claims against the State, this law "about 30 years" was created. In other words, claims in cases older than 1991 are not recognized.
I have not lived in Poland, I have no relatives or acquaintances deeply in the subject. However, apparently this topic is still hot enough to this day. Israel never recalled ambassadors for trifles. I don't remember such an event at all.

[Avior]

With this law, the conflict between Israel and Poland is very old, it took different forms. There are a lot of all sorts of nuances in this law and in the position of the Poles, different approaches were considered there, and there are a lot of hidden stones in the positions of the parties.

[Okolotochny]

The best thing is the zero option, zero all claims. I can understand the Poles too, now they will create a precedent, and then on the knurled one.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

In general, according to the mind, how long should this restitution last? How can you demand the property of your relatives, which was once, for example, in the 16th century, flooded from Spain? Or from Egypt and Babylon? How long is the normal time? Question ...

[vladcub]

I like the question:. Literate jurisprudence implies a specific time frame.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

which was once, for example, in the 16th century, flooded from Spain?

To be fair, Jews were expelled from Spain in the 15th century. And the modern Spanish authorities easily give Spanish citizenship to the descendants of Spanish Jews (sfaradim).

[Cat Alexandrovich]

I apologize, I was mistaken for a century. But I'm not talking about citizenship, although I don't know if Poles give citizenship to Jews, but about property ...

[unknown]

If according to the mind, according to the law of God, then the statute of limitations expires in forty-nine years.

[And Makarov]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

In general, according to the mind, how long should this restitution last? How can you demand the property of your relatives, which was once, for example, in the 16th century, flooded from Spain? Or from Egypt and Babylon? How long is the normal time?

I immediately remembered the revolt against the Jews, in Kievan Rus. A year like 1113 or so.

[Fedorovich]

So these are the Poles, what did you want?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The Poles have not yet understood who they have contacted. The Poles can only command the shaggy people, and beat the table with their muzzles. This is historically accepted. Jews are not forelock. With them in this spirit, do not communicate. They will do circumcision at once.

[No name B]

Strongly chubaty commanded? They are so chubby, for the time being peaceful and quiet, and then they can explode ...

[carstorm 11]

It's true. We have been looking for 7 years as they can.

[buralok56]

The last time they "exploded", the case ended with Bohdan Khmelnitsky and an oath to the Russian tsar for eternity.

[D16]

And what will they do? The law has been passed, thirty years is the time of generational change. Otherwise, you can pay and repent endlessly.

[restless]

Thus, Poland cannot claim its property remaining in Ukraine, their decision is a double-edged sword ...

[D16]

Naturally. If such a law is adopted, then they themselves will not make such claims. For they will be sent by reference to their own legislation. But he covers Pandora's box called "Restitution".

[rocket757]

Polish politicians are playing to their side.
Purposefully and understandably for THEIR man in the street!
Everything is logical, by the way, it will be THEIR man in the street who will choose them, and not those who are behind the okey and with sideways.
This is their business, why should we?
All politicians are cunning and do just that.

[Prisoner]

The Poles had their hands up to the elbows in Jewish blood, they did not lag behind the Germans. They have become hollow, robbed, and now they do not want to return the loot.

[Pandiurin]

Poles are wrong
and their law has no meaning,
it mentions the "holocaust"
which was not,
this is a Jewish Zionist fake.

On the part of the fascists there was a mass genocide, from which many peoples suffered, including among others Jews were also subjected to genocide.
But the "holocaust" is a fake ...

[avib]

Let's see how many plus signs this post gets. This will tell a lot about registered VO users. I would ask this post not to minus. Thanks.

[Avior]

You cannot distinguish this from a smartphone, but from a computer you can separately see how many pluses and how many minuses. You need to move the cursor to the number

[Shahno]

And where are these other peoples affected. That they are silent. Poles are shy ..

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Captive

The Poles had their hands up to the elbows in Jewish blood, they did not lag behind the Germans. They have become hollow, robbed, and now they do not want to return the loot.

The Judenfrei in Poland was higher than in Germany itself, which surprised even the Germans. In Germany, one person out of 100 managed to escape, in Poland only one person out of 1000. Those 300 thousand Polish Jews who survived after the Second World War are people who received asylum in the USSR and returned to Poland after the war.

[Avior]

not everything is so simple in this world.

The Righteous Among the Nations (Hebrew חסידי אומות העולם, "Hasidei umot ha-olam") is an honorary title awarded by the Israel Institute for Catastrophe and Heroism of the National Memorial of the Catastrophe (Holocaust) and Heroism "Yad Vashem". The recognized ones receive a personal medal and a Certificate of Honor, and their names are immortalized in Yad Vashem on the Mount of Remembrance in Jerusalem

This title was received by citizens of fifty countries. Of them
Germany 601
Poland 6706
Total 26 513
That is, every fourth person who received this title is a Pole.

[Victor19]

And which of these figures implies forgiveness for Poland, which participated in the Holocaust (extermination of the Jewish people)? On the territory of Poland, millions of Jews were killed during WWII. And those numbers you named simply say that there, among the sea of ​​indifferent people, there were also brave and honest people who were not afraid to save those doomed to death.

[Avior]

did you read the post? at least the first line?

not everything is so simple in this world.

On the territory of Poland, millions of Jews were killed during WWII.

destroyed by the Nazis. As well as throughout Europe. and every fourth not indifferent in Europe turned out to be a Pole.

[Victor19]

Without the complicity of the local population, the Holocaust would not have been possible. There was no Holocaust in Denmark, because the local population actively helped their Jews to avoid this fate and did not give them over to fascism. In Poland, the majority not only did not help the Jews, but in every possible way contributed to the extermination of the Jews. And yet, according to the history of the city where I live, I know that volunteers from among the local population took part in the executions. They also confiscated valuables from the Jews, and then buried them in trenches. Moreover, after the war, when the German factor no longer existed, there were repeated pogroms, including in Jedwabny. Your attempts to justify Poland are simply pathetic. The Holocaust is, of course, not only a “privilege” of Poland. In the west of Ukraine and in the center, Lithuania, Latvia, in the Crimea, it was not less significant in percentage terms.

[Avior]

Without the complicity of the local population, the Holocaust would not have been possible.

decided to cancel the official results of the Second World War? Your attempts to justify the fascists are simply pathetic and ridiculous.
The example with Denmark and Bulgaria is out of place, these countries were politically independent.

In the west of Ukraine and in the center, Lithuania, Latvia, in the Crimea, it was not less significant in percentage terms.

And also in the East of Ukraine, in Belarus, and in Russia, if you are not aware.

In the first months of the occupation, most of the Jews of Vitebsk, Gomel, Bobruisk and Mogilev were also exterminated. Twelve of the twenty-three ghettos created in Belarus and in the occupied parts of the RSFSR (mainly in the Smolensk region) were liquidated before the end of 1941, and six more - in the first months of 1942 ... began in the summer of 1942 after the Nazi occupation of these regions. On July 23, 1942, the massacre of the Jews of Rostov-on-Don took place in the Zmiyovskaya Balka. About 1100 Jews were killed in the Voronezh region, which was partially occupied by the Nazis during the summer offensive in 1942. In Voronezh itself, where more than 8500 Jews lived on the eve of the war, most of them did not manage to evacuate or cross over to the left bank of the Voronezh River controlled by Soviet troops, and were shot by the Nazis on August 10, 1942 [31]. In total, about 1942 Jews died on the territory of three autonomous republics, two territories and three regions of the RSFSR, occupied in the summer and autumn of 70 [000].

By the spring of 1943, only 1,25 million Jews were killed by the Einsat groups, as well as hundreds of thousands of representatives of other nationalities [18].

[D16]

Today's people did not rob or kill anyone. They shouldn't be held responsible for grandfathers.

[Prisoner]

Must. The Germans are carrying. They are trying to force us to repent for the Great October Socialist Revolution. (but this is a root vegetable for them aspic!). So we should.

[D16]

This is the choice of the Germans. More of them died in American concentration camps than in Siberia.

They are trying to force us to repent for the Great October Socialist Revolution

Personally, you, or someone else?

[Elena Akinfieva]

Polish film "pianist" about WWII says a lot

[Avior]

An exhibition film about the complexity of life at that time. The Poles who saved the Jew, the Poles who tried to betray him, the German who saved him from certain death - everything got mixed up.
But even it had to be distorted - life turned out to be even more complicated than cinema. When in reality Shpilman found out that the German officer who had saved him (and several other Jews and Poles) was in Soviet captivity, Shpilman turned for help to the representative of the NKVD in Poland, a Jew by nationality, but his intercession did not allow him to help the Germans - on a far-fetched accusation he was given 25 years and died in a Soviet camp in 1952. He left behind a wife and five children.
Spielman died at the age of 88 in Warsaw.
Real life turned out to be more confusing and more complicated than cinema.

[Asad]

To my shame, I learned about the extermination of Jews by the Poles in the film Our Mothers, Our Fathers. German production. We watched it with my wife, a Polish woman by the way. After watching, like, I wanted to reproach my wife for the atrocities of her fellow tribesmen, but quickly shut up from the heavy look.

[D16]

And rightly so.

[igorlewandowsky]

Even somehow unexpected. The Polish government suddenly played for the Poles. Respect!

[kot423]

Quote: igorlewandowsky

Respect!

What? Remaining with the depressed real estate and without the trenches on which they have been sitting for ten years, on the part of the EU, IMF and mattress? Or are they naive Chukchi boys, for the first time they hear that the elite have a non-fig lobby in everything listed above?

[sedoj]

seizure of property within 30 years after the incident,

Somehow the question of the return of Polish property in Lvov came up. Will the 30-year framework be in effect there too?

[Avior]

It will surely come up in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine. Fundamentally, the situation is no different from Poland, except in scale

[Okolotochny]

in Russia

From what ... edges? These are the EE countries, when joining the EU, pledged to adopt laws on restitution. Belarus and Russia did not promise anything like that.

[Avior]

They didn’t promise to adopt such a law when joining the EU, it’s a widespread myth invented by someone. And Poland did not give such obligations either.
property relations are generally not the prerogative of European legislation.
"according to one of the two main documents of the EU, property rights are removed from the competence of the European Union"
Property restitution issues are the exclusive sovereign right of each individual EU member state.
The ECHR does not regulate such issues either.
Each country solves such issues independently.
What does not prevent Israel, for example, from making claims on this score, which we see in the case of Poland

[Okolotochny]

Yes, for Poland it makes no difference. What are the claims to Russia? Even if there are no problems with the property nationalized by the Revolution.

[Avior]

If compensation is sought from Poland, it will create a precedent that compensation can be claimed not only from Germany and its allies, but also from a country that fought against Germany. Israel will continue its campaign of pressure on other countries that are Germany's adversaries in this matter.
And for the requisitioned after the revolution, there is no country that would seek the return of property.

[KCA]

Churchill had already said everything about Poland even before WWII, what to discuss after 80 years?

[Moysha]

Repin's painting
Polish nobles deprive Jawgei of their bguliks

[lexa333]

I would like to hear from our colleagues from Israel.

[dub0vitsky]

By adopting this law, Poland rose to the same level with Hitler's Germany. This step proves the involvement of Poles in the Holocaust.

[dub0vitsky]

Quote: KCA

Churchill had already said everything about Poland even before WWII, what to discuss after 80 years?

And what, Churchill is the highest authority for you, and your own attitude to crime means nothing to you? So are you - FOR or AGAINST the condemnation of the Holocaust?

[dub0vitsky]

Quote: sedoj

seizure of property within 30 years after the incident,

Somehow the question of the return of Polish property in Lvov came up. Will the 30-year framework be in effect there too?

About 700 thousand Poles hold documents proving their ownership in Western Ukraine. In case of complications in the independent, and the beginning of an unlimited civil war, (which is quite likely), Poland will not wait for the decision of the bureaucratic authorities of Brussels. She will simply occupy those territories that she considers her own. For there will be no other opportunity for them. And Russia, in my opinion, should welcome this. Or at least not to notice.

[Lara Croft]

The controversial law affects not only the interests of Israeli Jews ... but only they are worried ...

[Cynic]

They love to cast a shadow over the wattle fence, what is the law on restitution? This is a termination law! Everything would be fine, each country lives by its own laws, but the restitution claims that arose during the Second World War! It turns out in full growth REVISION of the results of the Second World War, like thirty years have passed and goodbye!

[White man]

When will we have a law on restitution and the possibility of securing workers on the once church lands? The property in the form of prayer facilities and buildings has been returned with interest. Likhva in this case is the repair and restoration of the former and the construction of new ones at the expense of the budget. Plus, there are also various events, such as moves and transportation of various cult items; broadcast time.
And the Holocaust? Whatever you call it, the mass murder of civilians for whatever reason or without is unacceptable.
A question to the Jews, why since ancient times they were periodically expelled en masse from different countries of Europe and Asia? For the first time, it seems, from Egypt? (to be clear: I am not an anti-Semite)

[And Us Rat]

Quote: White man

A question to the Jews, why since ancient times they were periodically expelled en masse from different countries of Europe and Asia? For the first time, it seems, from Egypt?

The reasons are complex, in short:

1. Religious - medieval cults did not differ in tolerance towards those who challenged (by the very fact of worshiping other gods) their right to the ultimate truth. Jews converted to the local faith were not driven out, they were assimilated.

2. Administrative - A people that does not want to assimilate, but does not have military strength - a convenient scarecrow in the hands of the elites, an "external enemy" for the consolidation of a dense society, and blaming their own sins on them. For example, the stupid decrees of the rulers led to famine, they spread a rumor that the Jews were to blame, so that the peasants let off steam and the rulers themselves were not raised.

3. Economic - Having banned Jews a number of professions and the right to land, the elites forced them to become merchants and usurers, it is necessary to eat. Thanks to universal literacy, Jews thrived and got rich in a couple of centuries, and the elites (and the church) began to borrow from them. And I didn't want to give, so we got rid of creditors from a position of strength. By the way, the Templars were decided for exactly the same reason.

4. Household - When in the midst of hungry, unwashed and uneducated peasants, there is a group of non-believers who can read and write without exception, who are less likely to get sick (kosher is in fact medieval rules of sanitary safety), washed, neatly dressed and living better. People are waking up to ENVY, and the elites and priests are still splashing oil on the fire ...

These are the origins of a phenomenon called anti-Semitism.

[Igor Svir]

PLEASE PARDON !!! and what - there is a country - that forbade Jews to become SHAKER MINES SHAKER SHAKER YARD WORKER ???????

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Igor Svir

PLEASE PARDON !!! and what - there is a country - that forbade Jews to become SHAKER MINES SHAKER SHAKER YARD WORKER ???????

There was, and not one. In almost all countries of medieval Europe, Jews did not have the right to own and / or plow the land and did not have the right to engage in 80% of the crafts (including miners, assimilators and janitors there were no then). And in RI they did not even have the right to live outside the Pale of Settlement until 1917.
Jews stopped LEGAL IMPACTED IN THE RIGHTS BY THE STATE (the so-called Emancipation of the Jews) only in the 18-19th century:
1770-1783 - USA
1791 - France
1796 - Netherlands
1808-1870 - part of the German states
1830 - Greece
1832 British North America
1839 Ottoman Empire
1849 - Denmark
1861-1871 - Italy
1867 - Austria-Hungary
1874 - Switzerland
1878 - Bulgaria
1878 Kingdom of Serbia
1890 British Empire
1910 - Spain
1917 - Russian Republic
1918 - Germany
1923 Kingdom of Romania

[Igor Svir]

or here ------ People who do not want to assimilate -------- is that - GOOD ??? and the fact that in Israel a ban on the registration of marriages of non-Jews with Jews --- DOES THIS MEAN CORRECT AND NORMAL ???

[Shahno]

Prohibition? Who, where. We do not register marriages.
If you are talking about the rabbinate, it is clear that only persons professing Judaism formalize relations there. Just as only the baptized get married ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Igor Svir

a ban on the registration of non-Jewish marriages with Jews

Does not exist. The Israeli Ministry of Internal Affairs is obliged to register ANY marriage union, even a rainbow one (it will not be mentioned by night).
And the fact that a rabbi cannot marry a non-Jew, so religion does not allow him, the imam does not marry Catholics, but the Orthodox priest - Buddhists.
And the fact that the state still cannot create an analogue of the civil registry office is certainly a nuisance, but it is by no means a prohibition. And then, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs there has always been an institution of "civil marriage", just before that was enough.

[Voldemort]

Respect for the Poles Well done. I'm proud of them from the bottom of my heart

[Strashila]

this is a law not only against Jews, but also against the Germans, consider a third of Poland's territory belongs to them.

[Igor Svir]

ha! Yes, the Germans can easily unleash the Third World War because of their former territories! out the Czechs - they drove the Germans out - they went to the Munich region (they were accepted there !!) - and now the CZECH TRAINS are at full speed stuck into blocks of stone sho Germans regularly roll out on the rails !!!!! THERE IS SO MUCH! I myself got there when I was traveling from Munich to Prague ..

[Walking towards the light]

"The new combat step differs in that the soldier raises his leg lower than in the previous version. The changes also affected the movements of the servicemen's hands. The pace is lower - 110 steps per minute." and further in the USSR and the Russian Federation from the ceremonial step of the troops of Friedrich Wilhelm I)).

[Sergei Fonov]

In addition to the Jews, the Poles took property from millions of Germans, what about them?

[Avior]

with this question - to the participants of the Tehran conference. It was there that the decision was made to redistribute the borders of Poland.

[Sergei Fonov]

In general, the fate of post-war Europe was decided at the Potsdam conference, where it was decided to send civilians to Germany, it was also forbidden to leave them to do work, but many Germans were disenfranchised slaves of the Poles until 1949.

[Avior]

Specifically, the Polish borders were determined by Churchill at the Tehran conference with the help of three matches, this is a well-known story.
At the Potsdam in this issue, they only fixed an already previously adopted and agreed decision.
Well, let it be your way, let it be at Potsdam. And what difference does that make? In both cases, the decision was not made by the Poles, you wrote about it.

[Paranoid50]

It smacks of anti-Semitism.

[senima56]

"... deprives them of even a theoretical chance of getting at least some compensation ..." Guys, what are you talking about? Poland itself is trying by hook or by crook to "get at least some compensation" from Germany, then from Russia, and it just doesn't work out! And then there is such "impudence": to assert that Poland itself owes someone!

[Yuri11076]

The Poles were shit, shit and will remain ...

[Shahno]

The Polish "guys" are already completely overstepping their limits. I think one more step, and someone will lose EU support ..

[Egor53]

The territory of Poland is clearly too large. Isn't it time for a number of countries, and there are many of them, to present territorial claims to Poland. And if a country has territorial disputes, then such a country should not enter either NATO or the EU.

[Vyacheslav01]

Polish capital is Jewish capital, so it was the entire history of Poland, unfortunately with the partition of Poland, all this became our headache.

[Silon Selenov]

* "we will not tolerate even a fraction of the neglect of the memory of the dead and the memory of the Holocaust"
- says Lapid's statement ...
... "Poland has turned into an anti-democratic, illiberal. Country,
which has no respect
to the greatest tragedy
in the history of mankind "...."
...
= Ah ... It turns out that the Holocaust is "the greatest tragedy
in the history of mankind ".

= Not colonial wars, not religious wars,
not the 1st World War, not the 2nd World War, from which it perished (in the whole world)
more than 80 million,
namely the Holocaust ...

Hmmm ... Greed and Arrogance at some stages contribute to "prosperity",
but then lead to collapse !!!!!

[pudelartemon]

It is high time to make the fourth and final partition of Poland!

[restless]

Who needs this section? The EU is needed, let it still grab Ukraine, there is nowhere to put the dough and the Tribaltians to boot, the countries are parasites ...

[APASUS]

Let's not wait long, now it may still turn out that Israel owes Poland ............... the case will not be up to the Polish politicians.