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Fire hoses with laser radiation: after the incident with the Bonhomme Richard UDC in the United States, the training system for military firefighters is being changed

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The Pentagon decided to pay more serious attention to the training of military fire brigades. It is reported that this is due to the consequences of a fire at the UDC USS Bonhomme Richard. A fire was extinguished on this battleship at the naval base in San Diego for several days. At the same time, the word "extinguished" in this context looks somewhat inappropriate due to the fact that the ship was irregularly watered with water, which in no way prevented the spread of fire, for example, through its electrical wiring. As a result, Bonhomme Richard burned out completely, after which it was decided to abandon its expensive restoration, write off the Wasp-class ship and then cut it for scrap.


To improve the effectiveness of firefighting, the United States decided to improve and largely change the training program. Not so long ago, training drills were held for fire brigades of the US Navy, in which laser technology was used. In this regard, the question may arise, how can a laser help extinguish a fire?

In this case, the laser system is not used for fire extinguishing, but to simulate the so-called water cone, which is formed when using fire extinguishing fittings. The green light of the laser exactly imitates the parameters of this cone (the diverging flow of water when leaving the hose - the fire barrel). In this case, the system itself is equipped with speakers. This is done to simulate the noise of water during a firefighting exercise.

US Navy sailors conducted laser training sessions at the USS Bataan UDC. This is the "twin" of the same USS Bonhomme Richard, which burned down last summer in San Diego. USS Bataan has been in service with the US Navy since 1997. His home port is Norfolk.

The complete version of the fire extinguishing simulation system is called Attack (Lion Attack). In addition to the aforementioned laser and audio support complex, it includes digital analyzers, smoke generators, panels for simulating an open flame.

The company itself describes the operation of the system as follows:

Infrared light and laser light are emitted from the nozzle and interact with the Attacks' self-generating digital flame - just like a water-based hose interacts with a real fire. When using the digital nozzle while Attack is in laser mode, the fire can only be brought down if the trainee uses the correct hose technique with a controlled water pressure.

This, as noted, allows without the use of real water (other extinguishing substances) and real fire in detail to work out the fire extinguishing technique in various conditions, including small rooms.

The Pentagon believes that such equipment will allow the US military to better prepare "for a real encounter with fire on warships."

An example of how the system works:

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  1. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 14 August 2021 07: 52
    +2
    The sailor lit the boat competently. In any case, Ryan Sawyer Mays is now accused of this. The arson was organized on one of the lower decks - a container with petroleum distillate and various rags were used to organize the fire, while the fire-fighting equipment on the deck was disabled in advance. If they put him in prison, it will be possible to declare him a prisoner of conscience.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 14 August 2021 08: 47
      +9
      Fire hoses with

      As far as I know hose in professional jargon, they call a firefighter who went on sick leave, avoided work. Oh, this fire brigade.
      1. Cat Alexandrovich
        Cat Alexandrovich 14 August 2021 09: 21
        +3
        In the jargon, yes. And in the common to all mankind it is quite a normal word.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 14 August 2021 09: 27
          +3
          Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
          In the jargon, yes.

          What "yes? Fire hose, gut ... that's kind of jargon.
          Are you not a member of the JUDPD? belay
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 14 August 2021 18: 08
            0
            When the fire hose is in operation, the hose is rather difficult to hold in the hands due to recoil.
            And here they are going to train with imitation of water noise and a laser instead of water ...
            They might as well train with plastic simulators instead of real hoses.
            Delirium of a sick imagination. Like everything in the United States lately.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 14 August 2021 09: 30
        +3
        Gena, now I will ask my woman to stop pulling my sleeve when going to the fur store, but to pull my hands! wink
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 14 August 2021 09: 34
          +7
          Quote: sabakina
          Gena, now I will ask my woman to stop pulling my sleeve when going to the fur store, but to pull my hands! wink

          Slava, be afraid that you will pull the ... gut. They don't care winked
  2. prior
    prior 14 August 2021 07: 58
    +1
    Well, just American taming of the fire. Yeah .....
    Now with a laser, even California is not threatened with fires.
    Aiming with a laser, writing-writing, and that's it, the fire was extinguished. laughing
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 14 August 2021 08: 13
      0
      Quote: prior
      Well, just American taming of the fire. Yeah .....
      Now with a laser, even California is not threatened with fires.

      Well, yes, and it's even easier to train - it was wearing a helmet and defeating the fire.
  3. asher
    asher 14 August 2021 08: 01
    0
    They did not try to design normally ships in order to prevent the occurrence and spread of fire and use automatic fire extinguishing, and not a fireman with a barrel.
    1. Private-K
      Private-K 14 August 2021 09: 35
      +1
      They construct normally, with great experience and understanding.
      The point is different, the point is in the personnel of the crew, its moral, psychological and even mental condition.
      Well, yes - on the Bonhomme, the automatic fire system was simply turned off.
    2. cormorant
      cormorant 14 August 2021 11: 52
      0
      In general, ships and ships are designed this way. Any, even a civilian, ship is full of zones under the control of automatic fire extinguishing. If you use them correctly, this is quite enough. But there should be completely different methods against sabotage ...
      1. kig
        kig 16 August 2021 01: 21
        0
        Quote: cormorant
        Any, even a civilian, ship is full of zones under the control of automatic fire extinguishing.

        I don't know how on warships, but on merchant ships there is no automatic fire extinguishing... At least I have not seen this. Before starting the volumetric extinguishing system, it is imperative to first count the people, and only then pull the lever or press the button.
  4. Mouse
    Mouse 14 August 2021 08: 13
    +2
    To teach a fool is only to spoil ... feel
  5. knn54
    knn54 14 August 2021 08: 14
    +1
    We also need a water pressure simulator - with an "empty" hose, there is no completeness of the extinguishing process ..
    1. Cat
      Cat 14 August 2021 09: 33
      +1
      Yes. We also need a simulator of a fire shield with an ax, a crowbar and a box of sand. And most importantly - a simulator of an instruction book on safety and health
  6. kytx
    kytx 14 August 2021 08: 25
    -5
    Cool stuff. This is the real simulator of the 21st century. Americans are just fine fellows in this regard. They know how.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 14 August 2021 11: 49
      +4
      Quote: kytx
      This is the real simulator of the 21st century. Americans are just fine fellows in this regard. They know how.

      This is an expensive profanation! The naval ones (those that from the ships and at least once burned themselves) will unequivocally tell you that the UTK (UTS) fire range cannot be replaced by anything. A real fire - burns and burns with HEAT, poisons with combustion products ... It is at the landfill that the moral and psychological preparation of the l / s ASG (AP) for a real and not a fake BZZh takes place.
      And what is shown in the video is an example of sucking money out of lop-eared corrupt officials from the US Navy.
      PS For men (I beg your pardon for the vulgarity, but this is more intelligible for the neflot ones), an explanation with a specific example.
      It's like preparing a virgin for their wedding night:
      a) on a "rubber Zina bought in a store" (laser complex), or -
      b) invite (for a certain amount) a lady with low social responsibility (fire range UTK BZZh).
      As they say - FEEL THE DIFFERENCE!
      Somehow, however.
      1. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 14 August 2021 15: 53
        +1
        The Americans are sawing old ships on pins and needles - it would be more logical to make fire ranges out of them. And then they will be useful for many decades to come - and only then saw.
    2. Archon
      Archon 15 August 2021 20: 27
      0
      It was cheaper to make a VR simulator + a pulling piece of hose.
  7. Private SA
    Private SA 14 August 2021 08: 40
    +3
    Deficiencies in the system can be seen in the video. Where is the indication of the digital temperature in the room (and why the room is not digital)? Where are digital poisonous foods
    combustion?
    At the meeting of the Young Friends of the Pentagon's fire brigade. A basin of burning oil under your feet
    and a carbon dioxide fire extinguisher in hand.
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 August 2021 09: 00
      +1
      There is some difference between a basin with a solarium and a ship.
      And petroleum products extinguish HCP, not DU. Op-amp for electrical wiring.
      hi
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 14 August 2021 09: 36
        +5
        Quote: Avior

        And petroleum products extinguish HCP, not DU. Op-amp for electrical wiring.
        hi

        Carbon dioxide will be effective and liquid stew, but the pancake is too expensive.
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 August 2021 16: 10
          +1
          Powder, they write, they extinguish oil products, too, lies in the cars.
          And we made soda in the army with carbon dioxide. The fire extinguisher was washed, in a milk can of water, the lid was closed, the can was shaken - and soda for the whole company :))))
      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 14 August 2021 22: 23
        +1
        And petroleum products extinguish HCP, not DU. Op-amp for electrical wiring.
        hi
        How strange it is that my professional firefighter instructor, using the example of a basin with burning diesel fuel, told and showed, and later each of the group of trainees checked on their own experience that oil products can be perfectly extinguished with the help of DU. And the bonus is a significant drop in temperature before using the op-amp. hi
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 August 2021 23: 20
          +1
          The fingers only freeze - when carbon dioxide escapes, the bell is very much cooled and covered with frost.
          While the hearth is small, like a basin, and you can extinguish the entire area of ​​the fire together, you can also use coal-dense ones. You can even cover it with a piece of tarpaulin. And if it is large, then there will be problems with carbon dioxide - the gas dissipates, unlike powder or foam, and as soon as you go to the burning area, the already extinguished one will immediately light up again
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 14 August 2021 23: 32
            0
            So hold on to the insulating handle. For large areas, there are large DTs on wheels.
            By the way, small DUs are well suited for cooling alcoholic beverages, including beer, in places not equipped with electrical wiring! smile
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 August 2021 23: 43
              0
              We did not have such handles, they held by the body
              Flammable materials not only extinguish the area, but you also need to extinguish everything around until the extinguished area ignites again, which is unrealistic. Therefore, in practice, you can extinguish the DU only a small area.
              And foam is another matter, the foam then remains and does not allow to catch fire again
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 15 August 2021 22: 25
                0
                So why wait until it flares up over a large area, if you can quickly eliminate the source of fire?
                1. Avior
                  Avior 15 August 2021 23: 16
                  0
                  the fire does not ask.
            2. Terenin
              Terenin 15 August 2021 09: 42
              +3
              Quote: sharp-lad
              So hold on to the insulating handle. For large areas, there are large DTs on wheels.
              By the way, small DUs are well suited for cooling alcoholic beverages, including beer, in places not equipped with electrical wiring! smile

              I would have seen how it is possible, even with an average fire, to cool neighboring objects with carbon dioxide or powder ... winked
              It is interesting to look at the face of any manager when he is given a calculation for the installation and maintenance of automatic fire detection and extinguishing systems. belay laughing
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 15 August 2021 22: 27
                -3
                I would have looked at you cheerfully cooling with water next to a burning voltage transformer and a shutdown ban. smile
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 16 August 2021 14: 59
                  +3
                  Quote: sharp-lad
                  I would have looked at you cheerfully cooling with water next to a burning voltage transformer and a shutdown ban. smile

                  Have you heard anything about the plan for attracting forces and funds to extinguish fires?
                  1. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 16 August 2021 22: 51
                    0
                    Yes, I heard. Once he even participated as the person responsible for instructing the involved fire brigade. I personally managed to turn off gas and electricity before help arrived. And one clever man (clever girl) managed to extinguish the fire by using OU.
              2. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 15 August 2021 22: 34
                -1
                It is interesting to look at the face of any manager when he is given a calculation for the installation and maintenance of automatic fire detection and extinguishing systems.
                It is even more fun to look at the faces of such "leaders" in the courts after the deadly fires.
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 16 August 2021 15: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: sharp-lad
                  It is interesting to look at the face of any manager when he is given a calculation for the installation and maintenance of automatic fire detection and extinguishing systems.
                  It is even more fun to look at the faces of such "leaders" in the courts after the deadly fires.

                  Why juggle. Fire protection systems are designed during the construction or reconstruction of facilities, and they must be implemented.
                  Has the cause of the fire been established? Did the regulatory authorities allow the operation of the facility?
                  1. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 16 August 2021 22: 47
                    0
                    We read it, we know .... Uncontrolled control bodies sold to smart-ass leaders .... And tragedies that could have ... never happened.
  8. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 14 August 2021 08: 53
    +2
    That's what I like about the Americans reacting quickly to the situation. And conclusions are drawn and experience is generalized. They do not swing for a long time.
  9. DenVB
    DenVB 14 August 2021 09: 29
    -7
    Are they really extinguishing with a stream of water? The twenty-first century is in the yard. You don't seem to expect such backwardness from the Americans.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 14 August 2021 09: 38
      +3
      Quote: DenVB
      Are they really extinguishing with a stream of water? The twenty-first century is in the yard. You don't seem to expect such backwardness from the Americans.

      That's right, they understand. Availability, cheapness and efficiency. Yes
      1. DenVB
        DenVB 14 August 2021 09: 40
        -3
        Quote: Terenin
        Affordability, low cost and efficiency.

        Affordability and low cost - yes. But efficiency?
        At the same time, the word "extinguished" in this context looks somewhat inappropriate due to the fact that the ship was irregularly watered with water, which in no way prevented the spread of fire, for example, through its electrical wiring.

        On a billion-dollar ship, it's probably not cheapness that should be a priority.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 14 August 2021 09: 50
          +5
          Quote: DenVB
          Quote: Terenin
          Affordability, low cost and efficiency.

          Affordability and low cost - yes. But efficiency?
          At the same time, the word "extinguished" in this context looks somewhat inappropriate due to the fact that the ship was irregularly watered with water, which in no way prevented the spread of fire, for example, through its electrical wiring.

          On a billion-dollar ship, it's probably not cheapness that should be a priority.

          Surely, what kind of local automatic fire extinguishing system for OHP and OS is provided at the initial stage of ignition. But, this is automatic, but it may not work, fail ... Ah, a global system designed for a major fire will cost more than a ship.
          Second, I talked about the combination of cheapness and efficiency. Water, with skillful fire extinguishing (for which the exercises are carried out), is just as effective. The task of all extinguishing liquids, mixtures and chemicals ... is to stop the oxidizer (oxygen) from accessing the fuel load (which is burning).
          1. DenVB
            DenVB 14 August 2021 09: 57
            -2
            Quote: Terenin
            Water, with skillful fire extinguishing (for which the exercises are carried out), is just as effective.

            Good. I'm not that worried about American ships, I somehow don't care. If their command thinks the same as you do, that's their problem.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 14 August 2021 10: 02
              +5
              Quote: DenVB
              I somehow do not care.
              Me, like that too.

              Quote: DenVB
              If their command thinks the same as you do, that's their problem.
              I'm glad that I somehow created a problem for the American command.
              1. DenVB
                DenVB 14 August 2021 10: 07
                -8
                Now, if people in our fleet think the same way, this is already a problem, of course. When the BOD "Brave" was on fire, it was extinguished like this. Poured water until he drowned. If foam extinguishing and volumetric freon have been used on submarines for a long time, then that on surface ships - I do not know.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 14 August 2021 13: 02
                  +4
                  Quote: DenVB
                  When the BOD "Brave" was on fire, it was extinguished like this. Poured water until he drowned.

                  SHUT UP, NON-LEARNING TROLL !!!
                  After the explosion of the missile defense system in cellar 8, the brave one was torn off the stern, which was floating separately from the ship ... what kind of "flooding with water are you talking about, you idiot !?
                  Here is the chronicle of the tragedy:
                  August 30, 1974, raid of Sevastopol.
                  -10h 02 min Explosion and fire on the "Otvazhny". "The roof of the cellar No. 8 with the launcher was torn off"
                  -10h 06 minutes "The personnel started to extinguish the fire"
                  - 10h. 10 min. "The roll increased and reached 12 ° to starboard." Fire in cellar No. 8 and aft engine room, fuel is burning in fuel tanks.
                  -10h 52 minutes On "Otvazhny" they are preparing to receive an emergency rescue group with EM "Conscious"
                  -11h. 30 minutes. "We can't get through to them"
                  -11h 45 minutes The rescue team disembarks from the Bedovoy. "Pour water on the stern, on the 10th cellar!"
                  - 11h. 47 minutes TKAB-29 (a large torpedo boat) approached the Brave. They removed the sailor from the BCH-5 from the utah.
                  -11h 40 minutes BOD "Bedovy" approaches "Brave"
                  Around 12h 00 minutes EM "Consciousness" and BOD "Komsomolets Ukrainy" arrived in the area of ​​the rescue operation.
                  - Towing ends are brought to the Otvazhny's tank from Bedovoy, preparations for towing the damaged ship begin.
                  -12h 01 minutes "The fire is decreasing, white smoke is coming out."
                  -12h 25 minutes "The spread of fire into the nose has stopped ..."
                  - 12h. 45 minutes BOD "Bedovy" began towing "Otvazhny". The fire went stern downwind. Water enters the inside of the case, the roll grows ...
                  - 15h. 42 minutes "BPK-530 went on board ..."
                  - 15 h 45 min. “The feed continues to settle. We continue towing. We are ready to give the tug "
                  - 15h. 43 minutes “The feed is sinking. The stem went up. Towing line has been given "
                  - 15h. 44 minutes “The ship goes on board. Ship on board. The masts touched the water "
                  -15h 45 minutes “The bow went up, the stern went down. The ship is sinking astern "...
                  - "The ship stood upright, plunged into the bow launcher"

                  BOTTLE BOTTOM!
                  1. DenVB
                    DenVB 14 August 2021 13: 05
                    -7
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    To the brave, after the explosion of the missile defense system in cellar 8, the stern was torn off, which floated separately from the ship

                    It is necessary to have a snack, dear comrade.
                    1. Terenin
                      Terenin 14 August 2021 13: 27
                      +2
                      Quote: DenVB
                      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                      To the brave, after the explosion of the missile defense system in cellar 8, the stern was torn off, which floated separately from the ship

                      It is necessary to have a snack, dear comrade.

                      Well, now it is clear for what purpose you are here, if you write this:
                      DenVB
                      12 August 2021 18: 07
                      0
                      Impossible to Forget: Anniversary of the Loss of the Kursk Nuclear Submarine
                      Quote: Medvedev
                      The crew can be replaced, but the boat is unlikely.


                      I agree with you. I don't understand these crocodile tears over the crew. Almost all of them were military people. They died - what can I do, such a service. You need to drink to their memory, but shed tears and other hysteria - let's leave it to our relatives.
                      1. DenVB
                        DenVB 14 August 2021 13: 32
                        -6
                        Quote: Terenin
                        Well, now it is clear for what purpose you are here, if you write this:

                        Well, well, let him not have a snack.
                    2. Boa kaa
                      Boa kaa 14 August 2021 14: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: DenVB
                      Have a bite ...

                      I'm having a snack ... For being rude, I beg you pardon. A cadet saw a "forbidden" photo ... of a separate floating stern. She separated after the second explosion of the cellar with aviation depth charges and storage of aviation kerosene ...
                      1. DenVB
                        DenVB 14 August 2021 14: 27
                        -3
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        A cadet saw a "forbidden" photo ... of a separate floating stern.

                        I did not see. And I have never heard of the separation of the stern.

                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        after the second explosion of the cellar with aviation depth charges and storage of aviation kerosene

                        And this happened after several hours of unsuccessful extinguishing of the fire. Mostly it was extinguished with water. And there was fuel oil (or what was there, diesel fuel?) That floats on the water and continues to burn. Well, apart from fuel, of course, there were also a lot of things that burned.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 14 August 2021 23: 23
                        +1

                        I do not know at what stage, but the ship has clearly gone partially under water
          2. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 14 August 2021 22: 34
            +1
            Water, with skillful fire extinguishing (for which the exercises are carried out), is just as effective. The task of all extinguishing liquids, mixtures and chemicals ... is to stop the oxidizer (oxygen) from accessing the fuel load (which is burning).
            The fire-extinguishing properties of water lie in the fact that it has a large heat capacity, is capable of taking away a significant amount of heat from burning substances, reducing the temperature of the combustion source to such a point at which combustion becomes impossible. smile
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 August 2021 23: 25
              0
              This if she is on top of the burning
              And if under it, then it does not interfere with burning
              To planting ,, oil products float on the water :: ((
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 14 August 2021 11: 53
      +2
      Quote: DenVB
      Are they really extinguishing with a stream of water?

      You will not believe:
      - Water also cool the BULKHEADS of adjacent compartments !!! Yes
  10. Private SA
    Private SA 14 August 2021 09: 32
    +1
    Quote: Avior
    There is some difference between a basin with a solarium and a ship.
    And petroleum products extinguish HCP, not DU. Op-amp for electrical wiring.

    Especially if an anti-ship missile hits the ship. Although in the second
    world fires on hangar decks crews of American aircraft carriers
    successfully extinguished.
    So the basin of solarium is for the Pentagon, not for the firefighters.
    And by the type of fire extinguisher - to blame. Although in production near the machine with a bath
    with kerosene next to the asbestos felt mat, two DUs hung. Intended
    and for extinguishing GZh.
  11. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 14 August 2021 09: 46
    0
    Laser training has about the same relation to the situation as the uncle in Kiev to the elder in the garden) What was the problem? The fact that ordinary firefighters do not know how to water with hoses? Hehe ... The problem was that neither the command of the particular fire department, nor the senior crews had the slightest idea how to extinguish a fire on a ship. That is, the instructions and instructions that were developed a long time ago and which have been available to military firefighters just as long ago are not being followed. What does this mean?
    Is it really about the fact that they were watered inaccurately? Or maybe that the personnel policy does not take into account the qualification level of the candidate when appointing to managerial positions? You know how it works. When choosing a person for a command position, what is the leadership guided by - the skills and merits of the candidates, or how much they paid? Or maybe those whose relatives they are?
    These issues cannot be solved with lasers)
  12. DenVB
    DenVB 14 August 2021 12: 11
    -5
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: DenVB
    Are they really extinguishing with a stream of water?

    You will not believe:
    - Water also cool the BULKHEADS of adjacent compartments !!! Yes

    You can do this with water mist. As well as extinguishing the flame, by the way. The water consumption is less, the extinguishing (and cooling) efficiency is higher.
  13. Rumyantsev
    Rumyantsev 14 August 2021 15: 44
    0
    Exactly - who extinguishes the ships so that they burn out completely? If the fire is large, there will always be human casualties, this is the axiom of fire extinguishing. If "Admiral Kuznetsov" would have been extinguished as in the States, it would have burned out the same to the keel. And so, with the correct and competent approach, it was possible to extinguish the fire on a large ship with only two dead and 14 burnt people - this is a very good result, given that the ship was not badly damaged and needs to be repaired! The service personnel can always be replaced, and the combat unit of equipment was saved - and this is the main thing. Successful experience must be adopted, there is nothing shameful here, and no laser will help in real fire conditions!